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PM Cameron should stop groveling to Obama and stand up for Britain over the Falklands
The following article by Neil Gardiner (*) was published by The Telegraph - The British prime minister jets into Washington this weekend, for a meeting with President Obama at the White House on Monday. As I noted in a piece earlier this week, this is an opportunity for David Cameron to look like a statesman, not a cheerleader. His last visit to Washington was an embarrassment, with the British leader fawning all over the most left-wing and anti-British president of modern times, even de facto endorsing Obama for a second term as president. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules((((Laughter))))...Please dont tell me that these idiots are payed to write this garbage..??As for Gardiner he is indeed an idiot so full of himself and as far as he is concerned HE should be PM and not Cameron...
May 11th, 2013 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Obama presidency has consistently sided with Argentina’s calls for a negotiated settlement over the sovereignty of the Falklands Islands, and recently refused to formally recognize the result of the Falklands referendum”
May 11th, 2013 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Gardiner
Is not just President Obama, the whole world(Including Britain) didn't recognized that joke called referendum.
Camoron should tell Obama how nicely his grandpa was treated by the Brits.
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May 11th, 2013 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 018 Bosta 10 12 1 7 4 9 18 -9
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May 11th, 2013 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is not just President Obama, the whole world(Including Britain) didn't recognized that joke called referendum.
Camoron should tell Obama how nicely his grandpa was treated by the Brits.”
More rubbish sprouted by another troll. Lots of countries recognize the outcome and have very clearly stated it was done in a professional and impartial way.
Only a brain washed Argentinian could possibly believe that.
Just withdraw our troops from everyone of America's wars until the USA recognises our right to the Falklands.
May 11th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0We shouldn't be in Afghanistan anyway.
Marcos, “the whole world.......” eh? Don't be ridiculous.
You do delude yourself, poor malvinista! lol.
“the whole world” will be queuing up to buy OUR oil though.
But none for you unless you pay in genuine USD or B.Pounds.
Remind me again......
May 11th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0When is the lease on Diego Garcia due to expire? I think it is 2016 - but the detail has to be sorted out by 2014.
My vote would be to transfer sovereignty to Mauritius and let the Yanks deal with them - that's how I feel about the “special relationship” with the US government (not its people) right now.
By the way, the US has breached the agreement with us twice - namely
1) DG was used for rendition flights and even as an illegal detention centre. David Milliband admitted the former (see http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/21/ciarendition.usa ) and a CIA operative alluded to the latter
2) It was used to store outlawed cluster munitions (as revealed in Wikileaks http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/21/ciarendition.usa
Believe me if push came to shove Argentina would be left HUMILIATED again
May 11th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Steve
May 11th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're right, any extension has to be negotiated by the end of 2014 or else the US have to find themselves a new base in the Indian Ocean (good luck) by the end of 2016.
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May 11th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0More info (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/09/diego-garcia-a-mauritanian-island-is-crucial-real-estate-for-u-k-and-u-s.html)
I think Geoffrey Robinson (as a QC) is touting for business but, for me, transfer of sovereignty to Mauritius is the best and most elegant solution.
As always a good article ! The Special Relationship is dead and so be it . Anyway he is there to talk about Syria . If the USA wants to do nothing there to stop the massacre then support the French and British who are prepared to act .
May 11th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, Camer-moron doesn't need to be Obama's little b*tch. He's got Nick Clegg there to take his “Frustration's” out on.......
May 11th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless, of course, he likes getting shafted by a superpower.
Camer-moron is an idiot anyway, the sooner that piece of slime has been voted out of office, the better.
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May 11th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like my prediction might become reality - see http://cimsec.org/diego-garcia-not-yet-cause-for-alarm/
remember Canada recgonizes the referendum and fully supports the self determination of the Falkland people.
May 12th, 2013 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the USA congress the republicans will soon vote for recognizing the Falkland referendum.
I don't know what your hard on is with the Falklanders, they are British citizens living in Malvinas, as far as I'm concerned they are squatters usurping the land and should be deported to England, the whole world recognizes this, including the USA. On the topic of your prime minister, the Brits don't carry the same weigth they used to, and they are treated accordingly on the world scene. The sun does set on the British empire every day, the world it's not like it used to be. GET USED TO IT, nobody gives a shit about England any more. Even Ferguson left MAN U. things do change slowly but surely.
May 12th, 2013 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Obama is a footnote in history, the Falkland Islanders will still be in control of their islands
May 12th, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameroon needs some balls to tell my socialist moron of a leader, Obama, “you are either with us, or against us”. Put Obama's balls on the chopping block and see if he finally makes a decision.
May 12th, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The special relationship is NOT dead between Britain and the US. I served in the US Army in Iraq with a number of Brits and the respect between us and them is deep and mutual. Yes, lots of rivalry of course, but in the end we all knew we had each other's backs. The vast majority of the American people show great affinity and curiosity towards the British unlike any other country in the world. Presidents and Prime Ministers come and go, but the Special relationship lives on, most notably in our Militaries. The current occupant in the White House (outside of the left leaning media) is held in contempt by the majority of Americans, and some of them actually voted for him. It's just a waiting game now for him to leave......
May 12th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I beg to differ that he is held in contempt by the majority on Americans.....But I love the button words.....left leaning media. Our country is polarized to the worst levels ever because politicians in both parties view negotiation and compromise as a weakness. The days of O'Neil politicians are over and the only ones that lose is Americans.....3 cheers for the two party system. But we all love the Untied States of America, Inc.
May 12th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His latest approval rating is around 47%. And if you get out of the major cities its less then that I have no doubt. And it would be hard to deny the majority of the media has sheltered him throughout his presidency. 1/6th of Ameicans on food stamps, gas double what it was when he took office, an unemployment rate that wont drop below 7.5 %, 17 trillion dollars in debt, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, etc, etc, NO Republican president would be fawned over with a record like his. Nevertheless I agree the country has been polarized to an extent I've never seen before. Yes, Reagan and Tip O'neill had it right Sadly no one on either side of the aisle is a real leader it seems. But my point that the Special relationship still stands regardless of who is in the Whiyte House still stands.
May 12th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One has to be honest here,,,
May 12th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some American diplomat’s and politicians, still believe that the British territories of the Indian ocean and ascension isle are American,
Obama is publicly noted as saying,
If Great Britain does not have a seat at the European table, they are go good to us,
[Obama referring to his Britain in Europe policy],
We have to accept that the British are not popular with the American government at the moment,
They wont back us,,,,,we wont give our sovereignty to the stupid European union,
We won’t hand over British territory to terrorist and dictatorships,
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Poodles [we don’t think so]
But Obama will be gone in a couple of years,
But Britain will still have its overseas territories, and almost certainly be an independent country free of the dreaded European union…
……………………….
As for argentina,
1, they will lose American backing, when Obama goes
2, they will still not get the Falklands
3, they won’t ever get their supposed argentine empire,
[unless taken from its mainland allies ]
4, china will still not send troops, ooopps, bad word.
5, oh and CFK will be just a memory.
6, lol.
justa thought
Good luck to all the Lads and lasses currently taking part in the Warrior Games.
May 12th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next Games in the UK hopefully. I will be there, supporting both sides!
That's the only special relationship I give a shit about.
I am not here to argue USA politics nor to give trolls the satisfaction. Every poll that points south there is one that points north. If the republicans want to take the office, find someone better than Romney. I am not party affiliated anymore, they both suck. As for the deficit.......you do not start a war under false pretenses increase spending to support the war than cut taxes. You really do not have to be a financial genius to know that. Even WWII we had to sacrifice for the war effort.
May 12th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the credit card tally of the wars:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq-price-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans
but the direct cost is lower:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq-price-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans
The indirect cost........Credibility of the USA. Foreign relations. Jobs. The highest job loss was 2008 with 2.4 million lost from August through December of 2008. McCain would have inherited the same shit pie. If he did not choose a bimbo, he would be there today and not Obama.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq-price-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans
That being said....you are correct that the people of the UK and the USA will always be united. In the free world.......leaders always come and go but the society remains the same. I still feel Obama needs a smack in the chops from Cameron. Obama needs to stop walking the fence because he believes that is his only option of dealing with the Chinese and SA. China is slowly eroding and continues to do so at an increasing rate. China needs the world more than the world needs China....they can't feed their population, they can't fuel it all they can do is control it and keep it under their thumb. All this time Obama walks the fence, he takes the official relationship for granted with the UK. The only countries he will piss off are the Bolivarian commies. The Pacific Alliance do not care so much of politics when it comes to trade and they are the SA countries we should be concerned to do business with. Dilma asked to met, not us.
23 Captain Poppy
May 12th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still feel Obama needs a smack in the chops from Cameron.
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Sadly we brits are cursed of bad leaders,
So he won’t hit anyone,
And in some sense he is weak, and Obama knows this.
But time will pass,
And normal relations will resume,
We both have tons of “ things “ going on
That will ensure our friendship,
We reckon by 2030 the UK-USA will be the only navies in the world to have laser technology on board ships.
Just a thought..
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And.....hopefully not the only open markets in the world.
May 12th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0true..
May 12th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly a troll. Simply someone with a different opinion. Yes wars are expensive. Ive seen one firsthand. And reverting back to the tired, shopworn ”its all Bush's fault' has worn thin as an excuse for Obama's miserable failings after 5 years in office. Even Roosevelt quit whining and blaming Hoover once he was elected. Nevertheless, the US and the UK together still present the most formidable force in the world, economically and politically. The British gave the US the two greatest gifts it could give: The Enlish language and the English rule of law. Though we have managed to mutate both to some degree, lol Most Americans prefer and identify with Britain over Continental Europe. The Special relationship will endure because of its peoples no matter who is in power at any given time......
May 12th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You misunderstood me. I was not calling you a troll. I simple meant I did not want to give them a show. As for reverting to the shopworn blame it on Bush. History is history and that cannot be changed as much as the republicans wish they can. I think any American that is not actively involved in politics, as in running is fooling themselves when they align with either party. They drink their kool-aid. I am not going to argue with you over Obama because I have no support of him. Face it....the USA has had 12 plus years of mismanagement. We had a surplus in 2000......never again.
May 12th, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some wars are more expensive than others. But prudent leaders realize when he takes that giant leap to commit American troops to a prolonged deployment for the good of the nation, the nation must make sacrifices and tax cuts with increased spending is not a typical economic solution, unless one calls it heterodoxy economics.
I salute your service to the constitution, as I do all in uniform. But you are not the only to see the cost of armed conflict. Some don't talk because they can't, some don't because they want to forget. You have the added benefit of the media and everyone knowing of the cause. Our wonderful leaders thoughout history sent men off in support of causes and countries.......Iran and the Shah.....Pinochot, Argentina, El Salvador, the Contras, Afghanistan and train Osama Bin Laden.....Noreiga, the list is endless. We support such wonderments of humanity in the name of freedom. So as much as I supported Iraq's invasion, as the lies surfaced the support eroded. I am disgusted with our use of force.
I am a few years too old to serve anymore and I don't need to beat my chest, but I have volunteered and see the amputees, TBI cases. I find it in complete repulsion that these deaths and injuries never needed to happen. I find the secondary argument that we created democracy appalling. Tell China and Russia they need democracy then I will swallow. UK and th
“warm hot dogs!” Poor Gardiner ...
May 13th, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cap
May 13th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you can help? I have looked for an American poem on line,
I remember a couple of words from it which goes something like this, “Stand on the wall and fight alongside me.”
I would think it comes from your revolutionary war, but have never been able to find it?
I am not familiar with poetry of that error, but I will take a browse about.
May 13th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His name is 'Nile', not 'Neil' - his parents had difficulty spelling 'Niall'.
May 14th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/09/diego-garcia-a-mauritanian-island-is-crucial-real-estate-for-u-k-and-u-s.html
The fact that the editors can't tell the difference between Mauritius and Mauritania, and that the article is written by a champagne socialist chardonnay republican Australian exile makes me even less inclined to take it seriously. And his name is Robertson, not 'Robinson'.
@16 Shura - as in the Arabic: شورى shūrā? Argentina's had an Arab as President before, Carlos Menem, but at least he was cooler-headed than the Kirchners over the Falklands.
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