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Falklands: MPs blast Spanish MEP for comments on the Islands sovereignty
A senior British member of Parliament blasted as ‘outrageous’ claims that the European Parliament does not recognize British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The case first surfaced when MercoPress reported that a Spanish member of the European parliament on a recent visit to Argentina said that “British sovereignty over the Islands as such is not accepted”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLuis, please expect an invite from the Argentine government to its next C24 roadshow.
May 13th, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can talk after Alexander Betts and that other one, the guy related to Vernet.
If this Spanish MEP doesn't agree with the situation, maybe he'd be bold enough to get the Lisbon Treaty re-written, if not then best he stay schtum.
May 13th, 2013 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The corrupt, evil EU monster rears its ugly head again.
May 13th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Knowing how much they “care” about Britain’s internal affairs, does anyone REALLY see a future for the UK in this European cesspit?
These Latin types are just full of hypocrisy. Where do they come from?
May 13th, 2013 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Spanish it is known as 'Muchas Caras'.....many faces.
This guy is a non-event and Spain make up the bit players. Northern Europeans know them to be fucking morons and just in it for the EU handouts. The country and Portugal were still in the 19th century when the UK supported their membership in the 70s dragging them out of destitution. Personally I think we should fuck America off (they are even worse) and get closer to Europe. Snuggle up to the Germans and look to run the EU with them. Make it what we want it to be.
This is actually good news, the UK is leaving the EU and comments like this will just speed up the process. We will see how easy it will be for Spain to get its bail outs when they lose our 55 million a day.
May 13th, 2013 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
UK will not leave although I agree with a lot of what UKIP stand for. Your statement is premature. We have to change the EU.
May 13th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone should make a complaint about this MEP
There you go:
http://ec.europa.eu/eu_law/your_rights/your_rights_forms_en.htm
The Spaniards do not even seem to recognise the Treaty of Utrecht whereby Gibraltar was ceded to British in perpetuity by the Spanish crown. In the same treaty Britain ceded the Balearic Islands to Spain - maybe we should claim them back all the time Spain whinges on about El Peñon, as Gibralktar is known.
May 13th, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6
May 13th, 2013 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0My predicted outcome is that the UK WILL leave the EU, but remain in the common market, just like Norway and Switzerland. The depth of feeling about immigration is huge. The EU are not going to budge on any reforms, they are heading in one direction, which is ever closer unity and they will tell the UK, you either like it or lump it.
The UK response will be, we will lump it thankyou.
VOTE UKIP!!!!!
It should have the British PM who was objecting, but he doesn't know what he is doing far too busy with America and Syria to bother about his own people
May 13th, 2013 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's 'enclaves', not 'conclaves'. Spain says that Ceuta and Melilla aren't colonies because they've been integrated into the metropolis - but so was Ifni, and Spain gave that back to Morocco in 1969.
May 13th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Morocco first raised the issue of Spain's control of Ifni at the UN General Assembly session in 1957. In 1965 the General Assembly resolved that Ifni should be liberated from colonial domination. On 4 January 1969 Spain and Morocco signed an agreement to turn the area over to Morocco. The actual transfer was made on 30 June. In return, Spain was awarded fishing rights off Morocco's Atlantic coast. Today, Sidi Ifni has a population of 17,000.
Gale Encyclopedia of the Mideast & N. Africa:
whether the false comments are made by a Spaniard,a Chinese or an argentine they all have vested interests in a co-operative rubbishing for the human rights of the people on the lands that they wish to steal.
May 13th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“SELF-DETERMINATION”
@9 I agree with you although some British MEPs are going to give this Spaniard a slapping.
May 13th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0We need to be more assertive. In the past, if any twat country pissed us off we would send a Nelson or similar and some big guns. No messing. I think our past in hanging over us too much. I am proud of our past by the way. No excuses from me about the Empire. We should shout and stamp our feet a bit louder instead of being so agreeable (particularly with the Yanks) all of the time.
@8 The EU don't know how to deal with us because of all of the mixed messages we keep sending. Are we in or are we out. Germany is setting the agenda because they are paying most of the bills. Those who pay say. End of.
@12 'We should shout and stamp our feet a bit louder' ..... methinks better to talk softly and put the boot in ....
May 13th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the heads
May 13th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4, 6, 12 It is very sad to see you making such comments. I think about the member states of the EU and I don't think there's a single one where just the thought of “cosying up” to them doesn't make me feel physically ill. All we in “proper” Britain need is an honest vote and we will be out in a trice. Scots will, of course, have to be excluded from such a vote as they are planning to leave and have no right to determine the future of honest people. Research shows that the UK is doing less and less trade with other EU member states and more and more with countries outside the EU. Certainly, on a monthly basis, UK exports to the EU are less than 48% of the whole. They will continue to fall with many EU members, especially those in the eurozone, unable to afford British goods. It will make much more sense to export to places that can afford our goods. In addition, no-one has yet been able to give me ten good reasons, understandable and relevant to the ordinary British man or woman, for UK membership of the EU. We've given it a good run. But there comes a time when you have to cut your losses and act sensibly in your own interests. In forty years the EU has done nothing for the UK that the UK couldn't have done for itself. And things now are much worse than they used to be. Now we can be forced into things that we don't want any part of. The EU itself, and a number of its institutions, have no respect for the views, wishes or requirements of individual members. This “incident” is a case in point. The European Parliament has no competence in matters of national sovereignty. And that was what Luis Yañez Barnuevo should have said. He should now be recalled and removed from his post as head of the delegation. Nor should he ever be allowed to form part of a delegation in future.
May 13th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0But we will shout in due course. One sentence “WE'RE LEAVING!”
My my is there any wonder why Spain is such a mess?...Luis Barnuevo is a prime example of the Spanish(Latino) mind set..ie..has'nt a bloody clue what the hell he is yapping about..!
May 13th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are all entitled to our views Mr C. Try not to be too saddened. We need to be looking south east and not west and working towards a strong Europe. Yes and returning sovereignty back to national parliaments. We just cannot stand alone anymore but we can look to lead a powerful European coalition. To do this we cannot continue to show indifference, something we have always done, to the union that we are a part and hope for the best.
May 13th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our historical friendship with America is changing with changes to its demographics and it is not just Obama. Those politicians who do not embrace the dago lobby will become unelectable. It will never be the same again.
Alternatively, we might all wish to emigrate to Australia whilst Europe gets poorer and poorer and more and more insignificant.
One greasy wop agrees with another greasy wop.
May 13th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who gives a flick.
Europe is bad for us,
May 13th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we are better off alone,
we are told of all the things THEY have given us,
then remember this,
Their is nothing, but nothing that the european union can give the british people=
that the british goverment cant,
and if the goverment cant or wont give us,, then their is something badly wrong with the british goverment,
whenever you like it or not, the europeans want a closer politicle union,
this in fact means a united states of europe,
we want nothing to do with this,
we are brits, so they can kiss their asses and soddy offy.
The European Union is up in the air at the moment and anything can happen. All options are always open in any case.. Mr B, I respect your view but disagree for the reasons stated.
May 13th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's is on for you. The 5 major nations that pay the most to the EU coffers are Germany, Italy, France, Spain & the UK. Germany, Italy, France and the UK are net contributors (what they get back is less (to varying degrees) than what they pay in). Spain gets more back, considerably more in the early days (joined 1986), than it pays in and has always done so. That is a bitch. Makes what this CNUT said even worse. Rubbing our nose in it?
handy timing for the anti-EU lobby.
May 13th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0other than that... whoop-de-doo
@17, 20 I'm not saddened, yet. But what I remember is that, for hundreds of years, Britain's enemies could be found south and east. Nothing has changed. Our enemies are still south and east. Consider the FACTS. In “Europe”, many countries tried to establish overseas empires. Only one really succeeded. Britain. If the EU really wanted to be properly successful, it would listen to Britain. It doesn't. Because, as the lies make clear, they are intent on creating a combination of the next French Empire and the Fourth Reich. Leavened, to a certain extent, by the greed of eastern Europe.
May 13th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I note that you haven't attempted “to give me ten good reasons, understandable and relevant to the ordinary British man or woman, for UK membership of the EU.” I understand that. You can't. Because there aren't ten good reasons. It's just about conceivable that there is just one. The right to travel from one EU member state to another freely. Except that that has its downside, doesn't it? The “right” of the European scroungers to go where they like and demand benefits so that they never have to provide for themselves. I have a solution to this. I believe British people should congregate at our points of entry and, as the mood takes them, beat immigrants to death. Appropriate reporting of tens of thousands of jellied corpses being dumped at sea should send the required message. “Visiting Britain could seriously damage your health and shorten your life!”
HMS C....I love reading your postings. You belong to a different era. If you would have lived 200 hundred years ago there would be a statue of you in Trafalgar Square or somewhere else in London.
May 13th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do all of your questions to me have to rhetorical and/or answered ?
Yes (there I have answered for you).
Here's one for you. My dentist is Greek (made a right mess and I went to an English dentist to sort out matters - unfortunately he is now in Australia and the Greek still here). My next door neighbour is a Doctor who came over from Dublin, 7 years ago (an ogeress and a right fucking fat bitch ) I'd send her back tomorrow. An the copper who came round after I had politely told hold her to fuck off was also from Greece (can you believe that? A copper). Change all of this and I'll vote for you.
MercoPress FASCIST CENSORSHIP EXERCISES TO THINK IN THIS FORUM FOR PEACEFUL CLAIMS OF ARGENTINE PEOPLE ON SOVEREIGNTY OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS
May 13th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, what exercises to remove my IDE and password to review not my view.
Raul2 use my name as an alternative to continue reviewing with respect and dignity as any human being to make my identity Mercopress is respected Raul
Thank you very much.
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Europe does not support English colonialism and imperialism century. Europe does not accept being deceived by the UK
Luis Yáñez MEP of Spain and head of the delegation said that the European Parliament “British sovereignty over the islands, as such, does not accept”
As you study and learn more the true historical and legal facts, the Falklands conflict, is increasingly evident that Argentine claims are strict justice because they are supported by the United Nations (Resolution 2065) OAS, CELAC , UNASUR, MERCOSUR, African Union and world public opinion are increasingly evident. The world and Europe no longer accepts English colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century.
Some may wonder what right does Spain to maintain colonies in Africa, for example. The will of the Falkland Islanders has been clearly expressed and must be respected, ”said Thompson is a direct reference to the March referendum.
UK is a colonial country. So what defines UN. Unfortunately the Islanders will not be respected. United Nations against the referendum is illegal and it is suspected of being adulterated by lack of control of impartial bodies. The committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony implanted. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 correspond to the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, falklands Malvinas Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Montserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena. Island.Besides UN resolutions refer to are a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified later by other UN resolutions.
WOW you are original Raul2.
May 13th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a really interesting posting you have just made. Have you just started English lessons?
At the start of secondary school?
Today the Channel Isles, tommorow the world. Nothing will stop us until our Imperial power once again paints the map of the world red. Long live the Queen Empress Elizabeth. We will once again be great.
May 13th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh shit! My spiffs burning a hole in the carpet!
Do they know this guy is absent, he needs to be careful, lot of traffic out there!!!!
24 you live in another world,
May 13th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0at least try to interact even if are on the losing side.
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we can but try, but can we stand alone, i think we can, we have done before and will again,
some may well disagree, but hopefully will agree that we should have a referendum and let the people descide, thats surley fair..
That should be, spliff!
May 13th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IT'S PART OF THEIR MYTH.
May 13th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always been sure that beyond what has been told to the islanders since they are children, they know perfectly that if this cause had been a case of self determination, it would have been solved many years ago. In fact, the u.n. would have invoked that principle, as i did for other colonial situations. Beside, that institution would have never considered the malvinas-falkland cause like a special colonial situation.
People are not stupid, and the islanders are all smart enough, in order to realize that the solution to this conflict doesn't depend on their wishes only.
Because of the lack of application of self determination for this cause, they need to continue with that myth, in order to reject the negotiations with arg., and try to get a way with it.
Many people in this forum accuse arg. of pretending just one outcome, they parrot that the only one solution for arg., is the total transference of the sovereignty of the islands to our country.
However, the doble standart of these people, is evidenced every time they express that they would be disposed to discuss about different issues with arg., but not about the sovereinty, which is the main problem.
As you can see, the side which pretends just one outcome, is their's.
In the case of arg., c. f. k. was very clear last year before the u. n., when she read a secret proposal of 1974, treated between both nations, which was based on a shared sovereignty.
On the other hand, if many of you think that only our politic leaders omit information before international scenarios, in relation to the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, then it means that you have been perfectly indoctrinated by your so loved empire in decadence.
Accept it or not, both nations tell just what is convenient for them.
If i decided to investigate, is because i have never believed in our mendacious official history, and many of you should investigate too, and avoid repeating too partial truthes.
aaaAAAAAGGGGGG
May 13th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aaaaaAAAAHHHHH
someone explain the facts of life to this poor duckling..
His class mate is posting now.
May 13th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
May 13th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) EU free from the UK....
2) Scotland free from the UK....
3) UK's “Colonial Tax Havens” around the world closed down by the G20....
Sounds incredible positive........... (from an Argentinean point of view :-)
OK Raul, Axel... let's pretend that the UK did “usurp” the Falklands 180 years. Are you both suggesting that we should void all territorial conquests since the 1830s? If we did that vast swathes of Patagonia would be returned to native rule and much of northern Argentina to Paraguay. Is this what you want? What's the difference?
May 13th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel should realise that the UK is not pretending. The UK is DEADLY serious (You know what I mean?). Nothing you can do about it. Jan Cheek's family will move on from 9 generations to 18 in the next 180 years and they will all be Falklanders.
May 13th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Tinker one of the deflectors? He seems to have an unusual slant on issues regardless.
Apparently the poor chap is totally utterly mad,
May 13th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He even thinks he is human at times lolol.
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TWIMC
1) EU free from the UK....
2) Scotland free from the UK....
3) UK's “Colonial Tax Havens” around the world closed down by the G20....
Sounds incredible positive........... (from an Argentinean point of view :-)
1) Possible fact
2) Possible dream
3) Possible probability [for all nations]
Sounds achievable …………………….. [but so is winning the lottery ?]
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@29Axel
May 13th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel
So, nothing new then?
You have said this all before, and we have replied countless times before.
But, for the benefit of new readers on MercoPress, here is the summation:
Stewards of the Islands, the Falklanders have built their homes and livelihood on the Fslklands over the past 9 generations and 180 years of continuous settlement.
There was British administration and mixed nationality and settlers on the Falklands before 1832, when The United Provinces ( Montevideo and Bueno Aires) from over a 1000 miles away sent a penal colony and military garrison to the Islands.
It lasted just 2 months before they murdered their commander, and raped his wife in front of their small children.
As an aside, were those 'Argentine' soldiers or United Provinces soldiers?
The British arrived in January 1833 (after only 2months) and pracefully asked Capt. Pinedo of UP to remove the garrison. He agreed.
The existing settlers of various nationalities and race, were invited to stay, and they did.
Those are the original members and ancestors of today's Falkland Island community that has been there continuously for 180 years.
Contrary to Argentine assertions, the famous and noble UP citizen, Gaucho Rivero, stayed and was not expelled from the islands.
There is even documentation many months later in 1833, citing him commuting various crimes in the community.
1850 Spain, in a treaty with Britain, formally relinquished all claims to the Islands.
SPAIN DID NOT CEDE THE FALKLAND ISLANDS TO ARGENTINA or any other of its former colonies in South America that had violently revolted against Spanish Rule.
1940's - Juan Peron, a pal of Hitler and the Nazi's, was no friend of Britain.
He invented the “Malvinistas” and Malvinista propaganda, sensing that Britain would lose WWII and he could seize the islands.
1982 - Argentina invaded the islands again, for 2 months, interning and expelling Falklanders.
The Brits kicked them out!!!
@34
May 13th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deadly serious, fair description I think.
'Cristina will attend the Te Deum in the Lujan Basilica - The President attend the celebration in the basilica of our Lady of Luján, where will one of the flags that flamed in the Falkland Islands in 1966 and a manger donated by the Vatican on May 25....'
May 13th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.inforegion.com.ar/noticia/38321/cristina-asistira-al-tedeum-en-la-basilica-de-lujan
'The Queen is ‘unfriendly’ for defending Gibraltar's rights, says PP'
http://www.inforegion.com.ar/noticia/38321/cristina-asistira-al-tedeum-en-la-basilica-de-lujan
'Barack Obama’s top ten insults against Britain – 2013 edition'
http://www.inforegion.com.ar/noticia/38321/cristina-asistira-al-tedeum-en-la-basilica-de-lujan
'The painter of the lost Islands - history of James Peck'
http://www.inforegion.com.ar/noticia/38321/cristina-asistira-al-tedeum-en-la-basilica-de-lujan
'Highlight in Russia mark Chavez and commitments of Celac'
http://www.inforegion.com.ar/noticia/38321/cristina-asistira-al-tedeum-en-la-basilica-de-lujan
'THEY INTEND TO BUILD TWO PORTS AND MANUFACTURED IN THE COUNTRY OF TRANSPORT SHIPS ...Ensuring that if the province were “aware of the need to exercise sovereignty over the whole of our territory”, the claim for the recovery of the Malvinas Islands “would be much stronger”, and even possible.“That is the ultimate goal. Put an end to the imperial colonialism in South America, appropriating our wealth and redistribute it to generating more and better jobs”, indicate this group of young people who believe to be at the head of“a Fuego unfinished struggle”, and“imperative for all the Patria Grande”'
http://www.inforegion.com.ar/noticia/38321/cristina-asistira-al-tedeum-en-la-basilica-de-lujan
Really a stupid remark by the EU man . When the UK joined the EU it was accepted with overseas territories and all . As France and Holland were accepted with their overseas islands . Spain too with its rather unfortunate enclaves in Morocco . During the Falklands war the EU supported the UK . This chap should go back to his office and produce some more stupid rules to more annoy all people
May 13th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0raul2 #24....Wow what the hell has this lil mental dwarf been smoking...Any one at all out there understand his rant?????
May 13th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0raul2,Do you not understand that someone asking for a diplomatic solution does not automatically mean Argentine sovereignty why do you and the botox queen and the rest of her Muppet government get so confused between the two?? only uneducated Argentines could suggest negotiations with a pre determined outcome in there favour IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
May 13th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24
May 14th, 2013 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“UK is a colonial country”
No, UK WAS a colonial country.
Argentina IS a colonial /Imperialist country.
”Argentine claims are strict justice because they are supported by the United Nations (Resolution 2065)”
You obviously have never read 2065 as nowhere in it does it favour any nation's sovereignty claim-try learning how to read, I'll even help you start, A, B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I (etc).
”See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified later by other UN resolutions“
1/-An UNBINDING resolution
2/-Which refers to the provisions of the UN charter that includes Self-determination.
3/-Which was broken by your Nazi government that invaded in 1982
4/-Which refers to the interests of the Falkland Islanders. Nowhere does it refer to the interests of Argentina or the UK
”Falkland Islands as a colony implanted“
In the same way that Argentina is implanted by Spanish colonists, and?.
”United Nations against the referendum is illegal“
Please quote a UN official please otherwise you are talking bollox
”As you study and learn more the true historical and legal facts,”
We have starting with 1833 which refute the lies Argentina tell the world.
Why do you RGs never realise the simple fact that admit that the reason Pinedo could not oppose Onslow was because most of his sailors were not from UP but form(wait for it) Britain.
And Argentina did not exist in 1833 so they could not have been ejected.
Axel - do please tell us where and when has the UN rejected the referendum and also claimed it was rigged?
May 14th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I am ware the UN has not said anyhting nor has it been asked to.
Where is this quote that you must have from the UN Secretariat or Secretary General please?
Not just the C24 please - they are NOT and never have been “the voice of the Un” - thay are just a Committee - like many more.
The voice of the UN is the Secretary Genaral or the UN Security Council - those are the important speakers.
What is the relevance of an alleged offer that was made in secret 39 years and a military invasion ago????????????????????
You might as well say we had better write off the Second World War and gloss over the Holocaust and say Hitler was a good guy because of what he allegedly said to somebody in 1920 something!
Do please try and get a grasp of reality.
@29axle
May 14th, 2013 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“People are not stupid, and the islanders are all smart enough, in order to realize that the solution to this conflict doesn't depend on their wishes only.
Because of the lack of application of self determination for this cause, they need to continue with that myth, in order to reject the negotiations with arg., and try to get a way with it.”
Um, yes it does depend on their wishes only:
Argentina has no legitimate claim over the Islands.
The Falklands are democratic and self-governing.
The Islsnds are their home. The UK acknowledges and encourages that.
It is therefore up to the Islanders who they wish to make agreements with, who they will allow to invest in joint ventures.
Argentina was given the opportunity to share in the fishing and oil industries and their revenues. Lots of money to be made selling services, supplies and transport.
Your government dramaticslly tore up the agreements in a fit of pique.
On the other hand, the British offer expertise, investment funds, and logistical support, as well as friendship and the protection of their armed forces.
The UK has agreed to abide by any Falklands referendum calling for Independence.
Argentina? They disregard the Falklanders as “illegitimate squatters” without rights, or a non-existant people.
They will not allow Independence or accept anything short of Argentine Sovereignty over the Islands, keeping oil revenues for themselves.
Chile plans to strongly support Argentina's claim over the Islas Malvinas as soon as the Casa Rosada completely supports our rightful sovernty over the Territorio Antártico ... ...we want Patagonia returned as well.
May 14th, 2013 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A senior British member of Parliament blasted as ‘outrageous’ claims that the European Parliament does not recognize British sovereignty ”
May 14th, 2013 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see why he is so surprised that nobody supports Britain in this cause, wake up and smell the coffee.
Marcos Alejandro #46.....Nobody supports Brittain in this cause..??Where have you been and what have you been smoking..?..Do a lil research...and you will find that CANADA most certainly does support Britain in THIS cause as do so many others...Sorry to rain on your parade...!!
May 14th, 2013 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, Axel: I see you cowards have failed to respond to my question. Marcos, Think:
May 14th, 2013 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's pretend that the UK did “usurp” the Falklands 180 years. Are you both suggesting that we should void all territorial conquests since the 1830s? If we did that vast swathes of Patagonia would be returned to native rule and much of northern Argentina to Paraguay. Is this what you want? What's the difference?
@Falklands are British
May 14th, 2013 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Germans and the Italians will not support you against Argentina I told you many times.
I said the same about the Spanish and you didn’t want to believe it, not even the Repsol stuff have changed that.
But you can still try to convince Zimbabwe who knows?
@ Conqueror
“If the EU really wanted to be properly successful, it would listen to Britain”
Why EU should listen to a middle age failing state?
Another Brit joke?
@ Falklands are British
You forgot to mention that your surgeon comes from Nigeria and your nurse if from Pakistan.
Copper ? are not they called Bobbies anymore in England?
Bloody ‘ell mate, you are in serious trouble I guess.
Now about Britain current relevance in the world...
“Since first taking office in 2009, the Obama presidency has displayed what can only be described as a sneering disdain and contempt for America’s most important ally”
UK its not an ally of US otherwise it is a dog that when uncle Sam says jump the little dog ask how much height master.
UK out of Europe will be more irrelevant than what it is now and trade will decrease considerably and at the moment UK has not alternative markets for their shitty exports.
So lets face it UK will pass from a province of EU to a pariah nation jumping more height to get some attention from master Uncle Sam. But the little dog without any leg in the EU affairs will turn into less relevant for US.
So what would be the alternative for irrelevant UK?
Who knows may be NK, Burkina Faso, Canada, Australia will adopt them if Poms still can jump...
@ Pete Bog
“Argentina IS a colonial /Imperialist country.”
Oh! all this noise just for a shitty Island full of sheep and only prefabricated shantyTown style houses.
That is not colonialism otherwise mercy...
49 All that and you still can't get anywhere near to beating us.
May 14th, 2013 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0#48 Hahaha... what has Argentina ever excelled at other than subjugating the natives, stealing their land, killing their own people, and cheating at football? What great works of science and culture has Argentina ever given the world?
May 14th, 2013 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Middle age failing state”, you speak utter crap. You do realise that the UK (and its contemporary constituents) were instrumental in bringing about the Enlightenment (Newton, Locke, Bacon), the end of serfdom, the end of slavery, industrialisation, and the transition to the modern world. Few nations can rival our impact on the history of the world. While our impact has relatively diminished (after all there are a lot more people in the world today) the UK nevertheless continues punch well above it's weight in science and culture.
Anyhow, I'll ask you the same question as the other Trolls:
Let's pretend that the UK did “usurp” the Falklands 180 years. Are you suggesting that we should void all territorial conquests since the 1830s? If we did that vast swathes of Patagonia would be returned to native rule and much of northern Argentina to Paraguay. Is this what you want? What's the difference?
@49 DanyBerger
May 14th, 2013 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The key point you keep missing is, this is not a battle between Britain and Argentina, it is about the people who live in the FI and who have lived their for 8-9 generations, being able to make their own decisions.
The battle is in my opinion, to stop Argentina stealing the islanders resources!
Well Dany (Danny). You are a proper little Oracle. I bet you are a government policy adviser or similar. University professor? Whatever, the pride of Argentina's intellect hey?
May 14th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regardless of when you did it, these many times, why would Britain need the support of Germany, Italy, Spain or Zimbabwe against Argentina?
For what practical purpose? Please enlighten. Your country is a nonevent. It is nothing. A plop of pigeon shit. Why would Britain need any support. I am lost in this. Please remind me.
Surgeons from Nigeria and nurses from Pakistan? What all of them? Is this the best you can come up with? You are a bit juvenile don't you think? We have no issue with you writing nonsense but it has to funny. Funny...say it...Funny.
Have you not been following the posting trail? There is a lot of indignation (have you not understood?...I can see that your English is quite poor) about people coming to the UK, particularly from the EU, because of the difficult circumstances in their own country and because the UK, to them, is the land of milk and honey. You know, free housing, significant free social benefits (you are not coming so don't think about it) and a democratic and fair society and where they are treated as equals. Contrast to your shit hole.
The remainder of your posting is not worthy of comment. Really juvenile. I am trying to laugh but I think you have be under the age of 12 years to see the humour. How old are you? Are you still at school? Do you read newspaper? Do you know whats going on in the world? CAN YOU READ?
Dany needs to look up the difference between relative decline and absolute decline.
May 14th, 2013 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0So here's a little help for our woefully ignorant friend who is now supposedly an immigrant in Argentina.
Britain has RELATIVELY declined against several countries.
Argentina has ABSOLUTELY declined against more countries than several.
Simples.
The only thing the Germans would say about the Falklands is that if they could get over the loss of the eastern part of the territory to Poland and Russia, which resulted in millions of Germans being expelled, then Argentina should be able to grow up and get over the 'loss' of the 'Malvinas'.
May 14th, 2013 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@49 DB
May 14th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh! all this noise just for a shitty Island full of sheep and only prefabricated shantyTown style houses.
That is not colonialism otherwise mercy...”
Do you actually believe the crap that you spout. For anyone that has ever lived there it's not really that insulting as it is obvious from your comments that you haven't.
@ inthegutter
May 14th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you list something from at least the XX century?
That its is the past and it is over, today Britain it is failing middle age state without relevance in the world.
Most people harder can even guess where the F@ck British islands are in the map.
@ Falklands are British
Why Britain needs support?
Because simple Britain cannot do anything without the support of US or other countries that’s simple as always have been.
“UK, to them, is the land of milk and honey”
For who idiot?
Do you really believe that? Give me a brake mate.
“Are you still at school? Do you read newspaper? Do you know whats going on in the world? CAN YOU READ?”
Well considering your stupid post about yourself hip about Britain I was thinking the same.
How old are you?
Do you understand the poor and serious situation of GB? I guess not just another flag waver trying to show a country that in reality does not exist.
My best advice for you is to move to France before is to late. If you get out of EU I guess you would be in trouble to obtain your residence. Think about it please...
@ Anglotino
You better take care of you BoP hold currently around 49bn and the value of your currency that is sending to the drains industrial and other business in Down Under.
Then come back.
@ Benson
Oh! dear Benson & Hedges... BTW smoking is bad for health, do you know that?
You don’t need to go to that rock with only sheep to understand that there is nothing.
I would be screaming to be conquered by Bolivia if I would be you to be better off.
#57 I see you avoided my question again Dany, coward.
May 14th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In terms of contributions to the 20th century, let's see what the UK has done:
An obvious one is the fact we (and our friends) were instrumental to winning WWII, you know defeating your idealogical friends.
In terms of science, the contributions of Dirac to Quantum Physics, Eddington to Astronomy/General Relativity, Hawking and Penrose to General Relativity and Cosmology, Crick and Watson to bio-chemistry ... the list goes on.
In terms of culture this is of course subjective. But let's consider the best selling recording artists - 4 of the top 10 are from the UK, as well as the top being from the UK. UK contributions to film and literature are similarly amongst the top in the world.
@49
May 14th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That is not colonialism otherwise mercy...”
Name me one thing Argentina could offer the Falkland Islands rather than adictatorship??
For all their relatively undeveloped status, the islanders have more money per capita than all but the richest of Argentines-and the Falkland economy is progressing whilst the Argentine economy is a laughing stock. and has to be bailed out by China, who will rob Argentina of its resources and then spit on them in a few years as they pull out.
I mean, seriously, who would want to be run by a load of half witted idiots like CFK, Timmerman, Putrid Jelly and that prat (Lorenzino?) who made a complete ass of himself on Greek TV? They make UK politicians look brilliant (and that's scraping the barrel).
If Argentina got their hands on the Falklands, the economy would be bust within 6 months.
Better to stay a 'shanty town' than turn into cave dwellers.
Who is this guy, Danny?
May 14th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has he been asleep for the last 500 years and just woke up? HEY DANNY YOU HAVE MISSED THE EVENTS OF THE LAST 5 CENTURIES.
Britain cannot and has never been able to do anything by itself ?
Not even in its dealing with Argentina? The was the point you were making. In its dealing with Argentina. Are you a part of the uneducated masses of Argentina? Do you go to a special school?
Danny, it is 'Give me a BREAK mate (although I am not your mate). Cars have BRAKES or in your case push bikes or prams.
Land of milk and honey. That is why they are here.
Poor and serious situation of GB? CARA. These fucking Argies. Not only do you not read you walk around with your eyes closed. Watch some TV or something and see how life is in the West, particularly the UK and get an education.
By the way. Did you enjoy the celebrations on the anniversary of the Falklands war, last month?
Are you going to celebrate the surrender?
Shanty towns? What, like these ones?
May 14th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/34091/0x0/villa-31.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.mercopress.com/2011/11/21/a-third-of-metropolitan-buenos-aires-live-below-poverty-line-claims-catholic-church&usg=__WpA5L_sH-Ye-ENd72khCOAfQm18=&h=268&w=400&sz=34&hl=pt-BR&start=2&sig2=WgkfoPnh65MkqbJ8SkerRA&zoom=1&tbnid=T_FnyTdPuZKn5M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&ei=bkWSUaLQLcaFhQe7mIHoBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPoor%2Barea%2BBuenos%2Baires%26um%3D1%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26hl%3Dpt-BR%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CC4QrQMwAQ
@61ED
May 14th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your link does not work.
Here is a correct link to that same article
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/11/21/a-third-of-metropolitan-buenos-aires-live-below-poverty-line-claims-catholic-church
'Falklands veterans a third less likely to kill themselves than people who did not fight - Veterans of the Falklands conflict are less likely to commit suicide than the general population, official figures show.'
May 14th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
'Falklands oil development - boon or blight?'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
'Barack Obama's rank hypocrisy over his shameful snubbing of Lady Thatcher’s funeral'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
'Delegation Chaco in the Falkland Islands - Officials of the Ministry of Human Rights, along with veterans and provincial legislators are in the Falkland Islands as part of the so-called Humanitarian Trips made by the provincial area....'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
'The traveling exhibition “Malvinas: Islands of Memory. Crosses of the Fallen ”is presented from the May 8 Rumiñahui Park in the city of Havana, Cuba.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
'More than 35,000 people signed the Falklands - The campaign supports the project social, political and educational aims to reach the Special Committee on Decolonization of the United Nations.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
'The Embassy of Argentina in Guatemala ~ Dear ambassador Ernesto Lopez: I would comment on his column of April 27 last, in which he made strong signs to the opinion expressed on 13 April over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) in this distinguished journal....'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
'Timerman received Almagro to review bilateral agenda'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10056290/Falklands-veterans-a-third-less-likely-to-kill-themselves-than-people-who-did-not-fight.html
@ 29 axel arg (#)
May 14th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nonsense. CFK was lying. This was no provitional treaty but talking for the sake of talking. It has remained the UK position since 1965 that the wishes of the islanders are paramount. This was made explicit in a reply given in the British House of Commons by the then Labour Government.
Regardless of what Governments choose to say, facts are facts and the historical record shows clealy that Argentinas claim is bogus. The UN General Assembly is just a talking shop and its resolutions have no status in international law whatsoever. The UN General Assembly is not an International Court and its resolutions are merely opinions. The democratically elected Government of the Falkland Islands (the oldest democracy in South America by far) is perfectly entitled to take a different view.
The Islanders have a right of self determination under the UN Charter. Resolutions passed by the General Assembly not only are mere opinions but where they conflict with the UN Charter are nullified anyway.
Its ridiculous in 2013 to claim that people have no right to determine which Government they live under. Its like Paraguay claiming sovereignty over the Provinces of Missiones and Formosa because Argentina stole then in 1870 and the people now living there have no rights but are squatters and criminals.
@ #64 rupertbrooks0
May 14th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually there was a 'Memoramdum of Understanding' prepared in 1967 but CFK did not tell the whole truth, it contained a clause that stated that the arrangement had to be acceptable to the Islanders. Argentina refused to accept it. The detals are here, starting on page 216:
http://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history16.pdf
Oh Spain you are a pain,
May 14th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You tell lies and are totally insane.
Argentina is jealous and just the same
Envy for losers at the end of the game,
For Britain beat you both
And will do so again,
If you grow balls and stop going lame,
For Britain is great
Even if we arrive late,
To shoo of the cowards
Who picks on our mate,
For soon we will be free
To increase our military,
Then we will see who is the nutter
When you both start to
Straight into the gutter.
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@Falklands are British
May 14th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gerrrrrrrrrr
At least if you are going to correct my typing, spelling and grammar mistakes try to write properly your own language. Would you?
Can you explain me please what means:
“The was the point you were making”???
“Not even in its dealing with Argentina? The was the point you were making. In its dealing with Argentina.”
Do you think that the language structure above is from a professor in Cambridge?
Who in his sane state of mind will want to go to UK are you joking or looking for a job as comedian?
The smart Brits just run quick as possible to get out of falling Britain to find better condition of living to the most exotic places.
You have to be very, very desperate to go to Britain for your fantasy “milk and honey place” at least you find a job in Tesco for 200 quids and they give you a discount for Milk & Honey made in China.
Then sure you have plenty of accommodation options in the slums better known as shed with bed.
“Most unpleasant is the amount of rubbish the household generates, which never fits into the dustbins, and the rats the litter has attracted. “The dustbin problem is there. The rat problem is there.” Her husband pays £520 a month for the room. She has had to take on the bulk of the cleaning in the house because the other tenants (with the exception of a man from Sri Lanka upstairs) don't bother.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/09/london-landlords-desperate-tenants
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/09/london-landlords-desperate-tenants
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/09/london-landlords-desperate-tenants
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/09/london-landlords-desperate-tenants
“Land of milk and honey. That is why they are here.”
Nahhhh!
Dany
May 14th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a tradition of lifestyle and so many things in Argentina that we don't have.
I have to admit that next to the USSR, the PRC, and Venezuela, you have done much more to ensure the equality of the classes in Argentina than any government in EU, UK, or USA.
http://youtu.be/Pn1BrOobG9w
You must be very proud.
Hey dippy Danny. What the fuck are you on about?
May 14th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not critical of me correcting your school projects are you?
'How to be a fucking annoying little troll' by Danny Burger (that is a pretty solid Jewish name. Where are you from)
Give me a brake. Car, pram, push bike? Which?
Just change the first 'the' to 'that', A simple typo. Even you, a first year English student should be able to work that out. If is difficult to read what you are writing in this small box.
SEE YOU DIDN'T DEAL WITH QUESTION. I think all of this repeated ''I told you so' is a load of bollocks. You seem to be full of shit. I told you so last week.
By referring to a couple of negative newspaper articles or whatever doesn't prove any of your claims or disprove anything you are told. You are clearly a bit stupid. You cannot believe that the housing stock in the UK is in a worse condition to that in Argentina. Most of you live in mud huts. Fucking shanty towns.
Milk and honey from China? How do you make the milk? Do Chinese bees make the honey or coolies? £200 is below the legal minimum wage for an adult worker.
Be told, people are desperate to come and live in the UK. It is a big issue (and the uneducated ones end up selling the big issue). You have been told of the reasons why.
Raul and Axel:
May 14th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just thought I'd have a look at the UN website.
''Today, 16 Non-Self-Governing Territories remain on the list, awaiting constructive, results-oriented initiatives. On a case-by-case basis, those Territories have to be given the opportunity to exercise their right to self-determination in order to take the interests of their peoples fully into account.''
''The completion of the process of decolonization will require the concerted efforts of all concerned: first and foremost, the Special Committee, the administering Powers, and the peoples in the Non-Self-Governing Territories.''
Ban Ki-moon, C24, 2011
Funnily enough, what Argentina wants doesn't appear to figure very highly.
Sovereignty might be the main issue for you, but it isn't for us. There is no 'doble standart' here. We don't care a bit about your sovereignty claim, because there is no way that the UN would ever countenance any solution that involved imposing Argentine sovereignty here against the wishes of the entire population.
There is no practical way to do it. You can't govern a society without its consent, unless you want some kind of repressive totalitarian regime. Is that what you want? It didn't turn out too well the last time, did it?
All we are doing is leaving the door open for you if you ever want to start behaving like good neighbours. There are lots of things we could talk about that would make things better, and we've never been opposed to sharing most things.
But not sovereignty. It's ludicrous to expect us to negotiate away our existence. I don't know how you could even think it possible. And the UK won't do it on our behalf, because it goes against our interests.
If it came to it, we would declare independence, and there wouldn't be a thing you could do about it. Because no-one here wants to be part of Argentina, we are an entirely disctinct population, and Argentina is hundreds of miles away. Imposing Argentine rule on us could only be called colonialism.
@Troy Tempest
May 15th, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you claiming concept design royalties? Because the constructions from your videos above look like your shed with bed in West London.
@Falklands are British
“'How to be a fucking annoying little troll' by Danny Burger (that is a pretty solid Jewish name. Where are you from)”
Better o to be a Black Jew and homosexual living in Iran than a ignorant poor idiot Briton without hope like you living in shitty hole UK .
I wouldn’t like to be discriminated and become the laughing stock in the world.
Do you know what I mean?
About your English lesson...
I can assure you that you have no future in the business.
“If is difficult to read what you are writing in this small box.”
Can you see above? Your sentence has no meaning like if a 3 years child would be trying to construct a proper logical thinking.
But don’t worry MoneyWeek just made a good video to explain you how will look your near future.
I hope you can understand the accent of the off commentator, BTW is English.
Why eventually Britain will collapse? Ok he was trying to sell a magazine but that really matters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYVZKpH3pnM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
But don’t panic, still there are hope...
If UK voluntary becomes a Overseas Territory of the Argentina Republic, may be the argies will reboot your country after the financial and economy disaster that you are close to have.
Last and not least...
“You cannot believe that the housing stock in the UK is in a worse condition to that in Argentina. Most of you live in mud huts. Fucking shanty towns.”
Really where?
You cannot compared Shity of London with wonderful, huge, fab, sophisticated city of Buenos Aires.
And then what? The rest of England it is just countryside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYVZKpH3pnM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYVZKpH3pnM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYVZKpH3pnM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYVZKpH3pnM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Rivotril, rivotril Brits get 50% discount thanks to the crisis...
Oh Dany, hahahaha, you really have no idea do you. You're filled with utter contempt and hate of the UK for whatever reason. Get over it.
May 15th, 2013 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plus, you're still a coward for ignoring my question. That goes for the rest of you Malvinistas as well.
@inthegutter
May 15th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry have you seen the video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYVZKpH3pnM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Now Do you think that I'm the editor or owner of the Money week?
So are you telling me that MW hates you to expose the true about Britain current financial mess?
Simple is logical as 2+2=4 you cannot refute that.
If you have any reasonable and intelligent argument to refute what people like me think about the eventually collapse of Britain, you are more than welcome to expose to us.
But please just childish comments like no no, you hate me boo, boo are not even worth to reply.
No what was your question that according with you ignored?
#73 Frankly it's not worth it. Money Week is like the Daily Mail of economics periodicals, it sensationalises everything. As an example, http://www.moneyweek.com/endofbritain, is simply one long neo-liberal rant. Frankly given the fact they don't even bother adjusting values for inflation (thereby making government spending increase look nice and dramatic) it's barely worth reading.
May 15th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0But back to the issue at hand, namely the Falklands and my question:
Let's pretend that the UK did “usurp” the Falklands 180 years ago. Are you suggesting that we should void all territorial conquests since the 1830s? If we did that vast swathes of Patagonia would be returned to native rule and much of northern Argentina to Paraguay. Is this what you want? What's the difference?
Hey dippy Danny. I can sense a rise in blood pressure. Dangerous for youngsters like you.
May 15th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Bergers I knew were Lithuanian Jews. I have read your postings and some have been racist and in particular anti-semantic although most Argentines seem to be racist. Your use of the word Jew in such a negative way is evidence. Your qualification to ‘BLACK’ Jew is furthermore. You don’t even know you are doing it. I am just surprised that a little scumbag like you would use a Jewish name as a nom de plume. Hence my comment.
I think it might be a case of the Pan calling the Kettle black with your reference to laughing stock of the world given the basket case country from where you were spawned.
I don’t give lessons. I just corrected a bad mistake in your English project. I didn’t pick up on the many other errors.
The comment ‘ told you so last week’ which you completely missed. Straight over your head and the ‘If is difficult’’ were to wind you up. Three year olds in Argentina must be pretty smart. Only when they get to your age that they become fucking stupid, hey?
I know money week very well. My life nowadays is spent investing many tens of thousands, day trading and whatever on stock markets and the like. M own money I would add and not others, attempting to make a living. I have subscribed to this publication for years as I have many others. Normally read it ‘cover to cover’ because it is easy reading, looking for tips.
The publisher, Bill Bonner, a funny guy and a Yank I think although it is British publication is currently in Argentina (Salta last week) you should read what he is writing about YOU.
Your video link is really ‘Fleet Street Publications Limited’ and the format has been around for years, even when the world economy was flying. It is a marketing ploy, dippy, they are selling. Nobody in the UK takes any notice of this shit. Notice the ‘MAY’, ‘MGHT’ ‘COULD’. It is directed at dumb fuckers like you.
Read again (and replace negative by positive)
By referrin
continue....
May 15th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you JamesS
May 15th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE BIT THAT WAS CUT OFF MY POSTING #75
Read again (and replace negative by positive)
By referring to a couple of negative newspaper articles or whatever doesn't prove any of your claims or disprove anything you are told.
Argentina is a shithole. Not the places where you don’t live. You know, those areas stolen through genocide and are ’now’ Argentine. They are beautiful and expansive.
Hey dippy. How do you make milk (water and magic white power) ? Do coolies in China make honey or bees?
Bloomberg. USA. Age group 18 – 45. 20% are Latinos. Fuck me. Could you imagine a KFC as their President? In charge of all those nuclear weapons. No hope for us. Univision (Spanish language TV audience surpasses NBC).
*Red Hot Penny Shares - The Right Side – Fleet Street Letter are REGULATED PRODUCTS issued by Fleet Street Publications Limited. Financial Conduct Authority number: 115234.
PS. Money Week (Bonner) conclusion last week. The whole nation are thieves, robbers and fraudsters but justify their behaviour on the basis that the Government are thieves, robbers and fraudsters.
Carry on
May 15th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dome mate
May 15th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Funny girlie. Do I “belong” to a different “era”? I like my “era”. It's an “era” where there are no EU tossers, no ECtHR wankers. Where anybody in Britain that doesn't support the interests of Britain and its various territories can be shot. This last applies especially to ungrateful Scots. Always best to stand up for what you believe in. For instance “Kill the enemy” is good.
May 15th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 There is nothing in your comment worth responding to because you are an ignoramus. Feel free to let us know if you ever become capable of posting an intelligible comment with an intelligent and valid point of view.
@29 Do you think you've found a new axe to grind? News for you. You shouldn't be a “teacher”. Not even in the kindergarten you currently go to. Good teachers have open minds. It's questionable whether you even have a mind. Go away, you silly little boy.
@32 Not quite accurate. Should read:
1) UK free from the EU....
2) UK free from Scotland....
3) G20 told to sod off and mind its own business....
@45 You can have Patagonia. Not interested. But the only part of Antarctica you can have is the part that isn't British.
@46 Why smell the coffee? We can already piss all over argieland.
@49 Whoops. Spain wouldn't support argies. Germany and Italy? Who cares? we can beat them anytime. Done it before. And your joke. How about a capability a thousand times that of argieland? Try to understand. IF you were in argieland and I pissed, YOU would drown.
@57 Here's a thought. You're very good at puffing your chest, like a pigeon. How about we put 10,000 of ours against 15,000 of yours? Sorry, already did that, didn't we? Remember?
@67 You're not really getting this translation into English, are you? Have you tried opening your legs wider? British guys quite like having your knees up and beside your ears so that you can watch what they are doing. Also they prefer you not to talk. This is easily achieved if you work to get part of them down your throat.
Who the fuck are you calling funny girlie?
May 15th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0peace.
May 15th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@inthegutter
May 15th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Are you suggesting that we should void all territorial conquests since the 1830s?”
And are you suggesting that I suggested that? Where?
@Falklands are British
“Who the fuck are you calling funny girlie?” I guess was you... hihiiiiihihi
OK and after your catharsis showing clear frustration and anger because you are seeing that your little Britain is going to collapse...
Your point is???
If you really would be a real investor as you say you by now would realised that Britain has passed the point of no return from financial Armageddon.
Who do you really think can be so stupid to keep lending money to UK without asking for and extra premium for the risk?
Now tell me what is your plan for Britain to pay back 12trillons dollars (and rising) with chronic deficits, still borrowing and with a dead economy?
You were an investor (is what you say) so you should know that any investor will be asking to cut pensions, spending in education, in the health service, defence sector, benefits, etc, etc until he can secures his payments.
I don’t know you but I wouldn’t be risking my money for a 2% lending to a so indebted country without firmed warranties that I will be paid back and I will ask at least 20% and would be too risky.
But you are the “Super Fate Investor” you don’t care about macroeconomics numbers but you fervently trust in collapsing UK.
Are you pope Francisco that still believe in miracles?
“Could you imagine a KFC as their President? In charge of all those nuclear weapons”
Nope but I can imagine Junito Jose Calderon Rodriguez born in Tijuana as the next president of US and no hope for you either. Ha ha
I would be learning Spanish and Chinese if I would be you. You never know when can be so useful.
Dippy Danny. One or two of the posters on this site have stated that you are the biggest idiot going, somewhat retarded and that you shouldn't be encouraged. I accept that they are right. You are a real dumb fuck. If you don't mind, I will not respond anymore. Just keep believing that you have a brain rather than a walnut in that skull of yours. Don't let the bastards grind you down (a good attitude for you to have). Just keep believing.
May 15th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh!
May 15th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And now what happened?
Why are you so angry?
It is my fault that UK is in this mess? I guess not.
I have also couple of Quids with the face of Elizabeth II on it that I didn’t want to sell to don’t harm even more your poor economy.
Well to be honest the truth is that I couldn’t get someone with interest to buy it.
I confess I was lying. Shame of me. But was for a good reason, I didn’t want to upset you even more, because I guess your blood pressure should be skyrocketing now.
Can you still get a free doctor in UK or is too late?
I hope so
Do you want a loan of some “Blue dollars” with the face of Cavallo, Melconian or Prat gay on it?
Do you have a photocopier machine at home? mine is out of service at the moment...
“”“”If you have any reasonable and intelligent argument to refute what people like me think about the eventually collapse of Britain, you are more than welcome to expose to us.“”“”“
May 15th, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0reasonable and intelligent argument is generally reserved for reasonable and intelligent people...
with yourself its just easier to say sod-off... its not as if you would recognise either quality.... your own ”Proof“ generally consists of a single url to some obscure blog followed by lots of posturing and shouting ”Prove me wrong! go on! I dare you!“ - after which you completely and utterly ignore any and every bit of argument against your ”blog-for-today” ....'proof'
as a method for proving your point its pretty weak.
On the other hand - yup, Britain is fC-Ukd, so is EUrope and so is the USA.
And the moment we all realise that we will climb into our fancy-high-tech military hardware and come and piss over all you little colonial enclaves in a big war that will rejuvenate our economies and solve a big chunk of the planets over-population.
So, really - congrats on your chosen method of suicide.
MISS-TA BERRGARR, MISS-TA BERRGARR
May 16th, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0U..TU ARA DONKEE
TU ARA DONKEE
(Dippy. WARNING. The above contains spelling mistakes. DO NOT COPY)
Behave yourself or I will set old Steroid Bollocks, CYBERSPACES answer to a vicious Cavalier Kings Charles Spaniel on you.
#83 If that's not what you believe then what is your justification for claiming the Falklands Islands belong to Argentina and not the UK? This is certainly the position many of your colleagues takes (not to mention the Argentine government).
May 16th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0But on another note it is clear you do not understand debt, here is some help:
What you have quoted is “external debt”, i.e. the money owed by the government, businesses, and individuals to foreign entities. For the UK this is was, in 2011, around £10 trillion - this is very high. HOWEVER, this number does not include for the assets held by UK businesses, individuals and the government overseas. When you deduct one from the other you get: -£182 billion (i.e. about -13% of GDP), this is called the ”Net international investment position (NIIP)”. While this is on the wrong side and high it is not unsustainable; as a contrast Brazil's NIIP is −37.5% of GDP (i.e. a lot higher). I couldn't find figures for Argentina but I'd expect it to be similar to Brazil. Finally, none of this includes internal assets which is around a few times GDP.
Public debt, at ~87% GDP, is however uncomfortably high though not unsustainable by any means. Japan's debt is ~200% GDP and post-WW2 our public debt was >250% GDP.
So, frankly, I don't know what you're talking about. Neither do most credit ratings agencies who mostly rate us at the top spot. The impression is that you just don't like the UK, why is that? I'd understand if you'd lost someone in the conflict otherwise I'm stumped.
MY ANSWER.
May 16th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for my dely.
For being honest, i'm not sorprised in absolut for what you expressed in your comments, actually they are based on the tipicall too partial truthes that you love repeating all the time.
The facts have always shown that the right to sef determination has never been applied for this case by the u. n., as it did for other colonial situations, haven't you ever wondered why hasn't it never changed?, i have. Accept it or not,the case is treated every year before the decolonization committe.
Beside, when i read the statements of your own councellors at the u. n., i see how they complain about the lack of application of that right for this cause. Like it or not, it's an objetive fact of reality.
On the other hand, the president from the decolonization commite explained twice, in june of 2012, and in march of 2013, at just a few days before the so called referenedum, the reasons why self determination can't be applied for this case, in fact his words were published in mercopress.
I see that some ignorants here insist on comparing our claim for the islands, with the genocide against the originary populations, made by the argentine state, when it started to occupy patagonia.
However what many of you ignore, is that despite that genocide, the rights and the claims of the originary populations are included in our constitution, which is a true historic reparation. But there is still a lot to do for those people.
If some day, paraguay takes the case of formosa to the u. n., we will have to negotiate.
In the case of the u. k., it has never made any historic reparation for our country, for having deprived it of exercising it's rights over the islands in 1833, and i don't think it someday makes it, due to in some aspects, such an admirable nation like the u. k., still behaviours like the same thief of XIX century. Beside, the only one thing most you do, is to repeat the too partial knowledge that you have about the history of this conflict.
#89 You still haven't answered my question.
May 16th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as at 66 we think Argentina should pay reperations to the british that died ,
May 16th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0comensation for all the damage.
@89 Axel
May 16th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The facts have always shown that the right to sef determination has never been applied for this case by the u. n., ”
SELF-DETERMINATION is guarranteed in the UN Charter, which supercedes all other bodies.
SELF-DETERMINATION is universal to all.
To take over the Falklands would mean you would remove their SELF-DETERMINATION and impose SUBJUGATION.
“I would be learning Spanish and Chinese if I would be you.”
May 16th, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I were you, I would learn the English subjunctive.
Hay más estudiantes del chinés (y otros idiomas asiáticos) en el Reino Unido que hay en Argentina. :P 谢谢! شكرا! धन्यवाद! Terima kasih! ありがとう！감사합니다! ¡gracias!
@inthegutter
May 17th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only one that seems to don’t know and understand how external debt affects you economy is you here.
Lets see a practical example Bank Northern Rock rises capital abroad let’s say in USD, Yen and Euros. Tehy then lend this money locally or finance you to make a factory in Shanghai.
So for any reason lets say the bad state of the economy, etc some clients of NR cannot pay back, that cause a hold in the bank to repay the bonds issue to rise capital.
What happen here?
The UK govt. has to save the bank or allow it to go burst.
If the bank goes burst this will cause major runs in other banks because people will be scared and they will not like to risk to be the next victims of a new bank to go burst.
People run to get in cash their savings.
All govt knows that so they have to rescue the banks and that make big holes in the public finances like happen with UK with the failure of NR, RBS.
No multiply this for all banks in UK that will go burst if interest rate internationally goes up.
Have you got the picture now?
Option 1 the govt. allows banks to go burst like in 1930 and they have a depression.
Option 2 the govt saves them and the debt will be paid with taxpayer money like happen now after saving NR and RBS.
So now you tell me, Are you going to sell your factory in Shanghai because others clients of your bank cannot pay back to save the bank?
Of course not anybody does that, you will be the first to ask to allow go burst the bank.
So the asset or whatever owned by British at home or abroad will save Britain from the huge collapse.
Do you get the picture in fact this is not new is the way rich get super richer by getting debt trough banks and then asking to the govt to save them. Bailout you know.
So stop using magic thinking any country in the world owing more that 5 times its GDP abroad as external debt, its is living dead.
See what happen to Ireland, Greece, Spain, etc. they collapse for the external debt of the banks.
SYL
89 axel arg
May 17th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The case of the Falkland Islands is treated at the C24 every year because that's the way the UK and the FI has decided to play it, burying the issue in a small committee with no power.
I posted a quotation quite clearly showing that the FI are one of the 16 territories yet to exercise their right to self determination. From the C24. You are just choosing to ignore it because it doesn't support your argument.
And if you look at what our councillors actually say, they are not 'complaining' that the right to self determination doesn't apply. Where did they ever say that?
No. They are saying that the right to self determination does apply, because Britain says so, and because the UN Charter says so. That is an 'objective fact of reality'.
The only other thing that is real is that Argentina wants the Falklands, for reasons that have nothing at all with the place itself. You think that fact entitles you to something. We don't.
Interesting argument from a Spanish politician, however, they may want to get their own house in order before making statements about British Overseas Territories.
May 18th, 2013 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about the fact that Spain ceded Gibraltar to the British, and the original document exists.
How about Olivença (Portuguese), or Olivenza (Spanish), a Portuguese town (1297-1801) where Spain holds de facto Sovereignty, even though it was supposed to hand it back to Portugal after the Treaty of Vienna (1815).
With skeletons like that in the Spanish cupboard, they have little right to comment on British Territory that has had a free and fair referendum on its future.
Hypocrisy anyone?
#89
May 18th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In the case of the u. k., it has never made any historic reparation for our country, for having deprived it of exercising it's rights over the islands in 1833,”
You and your people keep on about 1833 as a “fact” which cannot be denied, You have been shown the fallacy of this time and time and TIME again. No usurpation took place. It is all in the Argentinian imagination and has entered your psyche as unquestionable Holy Writ.
Your “rights” ? As far as we are concerned, you do not have ANY !
Little knowledge is dangerous. Dippy you are a dipshit. You know fuck all. Northern Rock issues were liquidity not bad debts Exclude from money markets. Nada mas. Wanker.
May 18th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 057 DanyBerger
May 20th, 2013 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK does not need the support of any nation in what is entirely a legal question with the law firmly on their side.
“Can you list something from at least the XX century?” Yep!
1.Christopher Cockerell came up with one of the greatest British inventions of the second half of the 20th century: the hovercraft.
2.A Scottish engineer, John Logie Baird is considered to be the inventor of the television.
3. Frank Whittle the creation of the jet engine.
4.Percy Shaw creator of reflecting road studs.
5.Robert Watson-Watt RADAR
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2034658/10-greatest-British-inventions-From-television-railway-steam-locomotive.html
6.DNA Francis Crick, James Watson, and Maurice Wilkins, plus American Rosalind Franklin.
7.JOHN CHARNLEY INVENTS HIP REPLACEMENTS
8.HERCHEL SMITH SYNTHESISES HORMONES FOR BIRTH CONTROL
9.FRANK PANTRIDGE INVENTS THE PORTABLE DEFIBRILLATOR,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2034658/10-greatest-British-inventions-From-television-railway-steam-locomotive.html
10. ERNEST RUTHERFORD CREATE NUCLEAR PHYSICS
11.John Ambrose Fleming invents and patents the thermionic valve, the first vacuum tube.
12.WILLIAM BATESON FOUNDS AND NAMES THE SCIENCE OF GENETICS
13.FREDERICK GOWLAND HOPKINS DISCOVERS VITAMINS
14. Alexander Fleming discovers penicillium
15.ALEC JOHN JEFFREYS INVENTS DNA “FINGERPRINTING
16.PETER MANSFIELD PIONEERS MAGNETIC RESONANCE IMAGING (MRI)
@Falklands are British
May 20th, 2013 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0NR collapsed because could not rise more capital during the tough condition in international market during the credit crunch to repay maturing bonds issued internationally by the bank.
IIL (Institutional International lenders) refused to provide more fresh loans to mortgage banks following the sub-prime crisis in USA.
So NR asked to the lender of last resort BoE for liquidity support capital, etc. due to rumours started in the media like articles wrote by Robert Peston BBC about the bad condition of some banks people start to run to branches to take their money.
There Robert got the nick name of Robert “Pest-on” and another not very nice names. Later BBC awarded him with ticket to China.
Well you know the rest of the story... NR still owes taxpayer 43bn pounds.
Saving banks is becoming costly and costly these days. Imagine 10 banks to save UK goes bust just in a day.
Just like this will start the collapse of UK remember it...
@100dany
May 20th, 2013 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Dany, you're a financial genius.
I'm sure Argentina is in good hands with people like you.
Are you a pupil of Kiss-0ff? He's very unorthodox and the architect of the current Argentinian economy.
BTW, you haven't answered, “are you an Argentinian?”
Don't worry if financial trouble happen in Argentina a good invasion to FI will solve the problem.
May 21st, 2013 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you found some oil yet?
DANY
May 21st, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0ARE YOU AN ARGENTINIAN ?
You seem to avoid answering.
Don't worry, if you are, there are 40m others. We won't find you.
Truth be told, we won't look, either.
Ashamed, then???
#102
May 21st, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, good for us. We could finish you off for good. Please try and no doubt you would be in the lead.
@102
May 21st, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What, your army going to swim across?
@Troy Tempest
May 22nd, 2013 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You seem to avoid answering.”
Nope you are wrong, I am deliberately ignoring you what is another thing.
Ha ha
Hard to imagine being so ashamed of your own nationality.
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Anglotino
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not ashamed of my nationality and not either of my 2 citizenship boy how can I be?
I have one from 2nd most powerful country in the west and citizenship from the 3er more powerful country in Europe and other from the most powerful country in SA after Brazil.
Do you need a passport idiot?
So British, French and Chilean!
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But with a Germanic name living in Argentina? Another interesting post.
MONTY69. CLYDE15.
May 22nd, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MONTY: If it soposes that the right to self determination is perfectly aplicable for this case, then why has this cause always been considered like a special colonial situation by the d. c.?, why has the u. n. aplied self determination for other colonial situations, but never for the malvinas-falkland cause?, why did the president from the d. c. explain twice the reasons why self determination is not applicable for this case?.
In fact, if you get into the website of the u. n., you won't find any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the people from the malvinas-falkland islands, but you'll find the aplication of that right for other populations who live in non-self governing territories.
Don't you tou think there is a contradiction between what you say, and objetive facts?. I recommend you to read the statement by coucellour norma edwards before the u. n., where she complained about the lack of application of self determination for this case. Search it in the news archive of this website, the date is june 24th 2010.
For being honest, i have never denied that perhaps that right can be finally applicabe for this cause, but when i see what happens in reality, i just can say it's hightly arguable.
CLYDE: If you think that only our politic leaders omit information, before international forums, in relation to the historic and the legal aspects of this confict, then it means that you have been perfectly indoctrinated by your so loved empire in decadence. Like it or not, both sides tell just what is convenient for them.
If i decided to investigate, is because i have never believed in our mendacious official history, and you should do the same, so you don't continue repeating too partial truthes.
#110
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ by your so loved empire in decadence.”
Same old Argie twaddle. I really can't be bothered with the same old chestnuts “Belgrano” Usurpation” etc. Sort your own country out first then there may be something new to discuss.
@Anglotino
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said powerful not poor idiot I make a mistake with my 3er most powerful etc.
So are you Chileno? “Guaguita” i alway wanna know what the f@ck means that?
can you translate me into English or Spanish please?
Potito or popotito? and this one?
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