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Argentine ex-military dictator sentenced to life, Jorge Videla dies in jail cell

Friday, May 17th 2013 - 17:58 UTC
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Jorge Rafael Videla, a former army commander who led Argentina during the bloodiest period of a “dirty war” dictatorship and was unrepentant about kidnappings and murders ordered by the state, died on Friday at age 87. Read full article

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  • Monkeymagic

    Say what you like about him, but I was a big fan of his kitchen cleaning products

    http://www.vileda.co.uk/uk

    May 17th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    memento mori

    May 17th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    Q.E.P.D Mi General !!

    May 17th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    So what! Argieland is still a thousand years from being “civilised”.

    May 17th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Another part that never existed,
    according to their bloggers,

    for they can do no wrong..

    May 17th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Estela de Carlotta is correct by saying “ a despicable being has left this world” but unfortunately you still have one in the CASADA ROSITA

    May 17th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I think you'll be able to replace that headline with CFK's name quicker than you may expect.

    May 17th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Kidnappings and murders ordered by the State, and who exactly was running the State?
    The Argies ought to look at the way they are being manipulated and sort it.
    Their natural resourses are fantastic but their politics are shite
    When will they learn that not every country in the world wants to rip them off. I suppose if you cant trust your own , who can you trust.

    May 17th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    This man fought the communists to save the republic, according to him.

    Removing babies from political prisoners: what else is the regime supposed to do? Kill them?

    At least he seemed to do the right thing as he saw it: first the removed the useless Peron widow (bit of a parallel universe here?) and then he tried to kill the communists, but like all of these campaigns they confused themselves as to who was the enemy.

    Why do argies think that someone like that should ‘regret’ what he did? I would despise him if he did after all these years. What is more the phrase he coined is true.

    As for the deluded ‘old hag De Carlotto of the Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo’ (if you didn’t know you would think this was an old prostitutes union) she will find out that there is no god and what you have in this life is all you get. Pity she cannot enjoy it.

    May 17th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    This man got rid of the opposition, only to save his power lust. How antiquated, have they not thought that there will be retribruition. Where there is a plus there is a minus.

    May 17th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    “Jorge Rafael Videla, a former army commander who led Argentina during the bloodiest period of a “dirty war” dictatorship and was unrepentant about kidnappings and murders ordered by the state”

    But, on the plus side, he never forgot his mums birthday, he did get the buses to run on time and he did have a great singing voice..........

    What a role model!! I'll bet he's one of ol' fat boy Kitchners role models...........

    May 17th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    Videla, let me think... ah yes! Thats the guy who threatened to invade Chile in 1978, and when his naval fleet arrived the Beagle Channel and saw the Chilean fleet waiting already to confront them, they turned arround, shit in their pants and blamed it to the bad weather....

    Yeah, remember him!

    May 18th, 2013 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • windy

    First Maggie T and now Videla this year just gets better and better.

    May 18th, 2013 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • manchesterlad

    As an 'extranjero' it's difficult to judge this guy, the RGs obviously blame him for all the atrocities committed during the 'dictadura' & history will condemn him as a war criminal

    But the RGs actually welcomed the 'dictadura' when the country was in chaos & the Montoneros were planting bombs everywhere & assasinating people at will.
    They even applauded him & his cronies after they had 'won' the world cup in 1978

    Unfortunately he like most RG presidents started to abuse his power & the rest is history......take note CFK, the cemetaries are full of indispensable people!!!

    May 18th, 2013 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toxictaxitrader2

    @ 14 Never forget a crowd only represents the views of themselves and not the whole population.

    May 18th, 2013 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    Argentineans wish they have a dictator again to clean the country of the dirty lefties; Argentina is on its way to ruin.

    May 18th, 2013 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Burn in hell.

    May 18th, 2013 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    You have to wonder what would have happened with the dictatorship had Argentina won the Falklands War...

    May 18th, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    18
    It was just matter of time for the collapse of the dictatorial government(by the way supported by US and UK) one way or another.

    May 18th, 2013 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    19MarcosAss

    Argentina is solely responsible for the actions of their Dictators, Queen, Juntas, and Peronists, not the UK, EU, or USA.

    May 18th, 2013 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    Videla is a Hero!

    May 18th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toxictaxitrader2

    Cornelius I dont go in.for personal insults but I,ll make an exception in your case,you are an idiot,
    Argentina needs more democracy not less,more press freedom,more uncorrupted politicians,more personal responsibility and gentle hearts.

    May 18th, 2013 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Exactly if a murderous military junta is the answer its a bloody stupid question.
    How exactly is 30000 dead and a $50 billion debt saving the country?

    May 18th, 2013 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Mr. Jorge Rafael Videla died as the common criminal he was…..
    In a common prison cell after a common trial by common sensed people.
    Let all his pupils from the Argentinean Army Academy remember that.

    May 18th, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ozgood

    1 Monkey Magic - You are a dyslexic fool. The junta was no laughing matter

    18 Tobers (#) History is full of ifs and buts

    19 Marcos Alejandro - president Nixon and Dr Kissinger must have
    played a part in this. Please note that Dr (now Lord) David Owen authorised a load of 45 million GBP in 1979 to the junta to buy arms which were probably used against British in the Falklands war (1982)

    May 18th, 2013 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Doesn't seem to be the most popular man at the party, does he?
    Whatever his motives, he was cruel in his actions.
    Who will he be next time round?
    A pregnant prisoner in a filthy third world jail?
    @25 Ozgood,
    l would think that Monkeymagic was making a punning joke.

    May 18th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    He was an evil man, a mass murderer, and the bringer of neoliberlaism to his country - the Argentine Pinochet, or Thatcher. So glad he died as a common criminal in jail, thanks to Nestor and Cristina. Tramp the dirt down!

    May 18th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (26) Isolde

    I “Think” the transmigration of this particular soul should stop here……
    Even Karma has limits...

    May 18th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Livingthedream

    A great man and true Argentine Patriot! RIP

    May 18th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Only 41,281,630 war criminals left!

    May 18th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @28 Think,
    lf guilty, my dear Think, he will have to balance the books.
    Nobody can keep a lop-sided book.
    Do unto others as you would like done to yourself.
    lf you abuse this, what better way to repay than have to live a life similar to your victim(s).
    There is no limit to karma.

    May 18th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ozgood

    The Spaniards have a nice saying A CADA PUERCO LLEGA SU SAN MARTIN. It is more chilling than its English equivalent

    May 18th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    I have no interest in this “Junta” tag. It was the government of the Republic of Argentina between 1976 and 1983.

    It seems as though not a single Argentine on these boards supported them...how funny. A huge collective case of “it wasn't me...it was him”.

    It also seems that every single Argentine was working tirelessly to remove this Junta and all 40 million of them were brave freedom fighters...LOL.

    It also seems that the perrenial boogie men of the US and the UK were supporting this non-argentine Junta against the brave and true real-Argentine freedom fighters.

    However, the end to the Junta was completely and unquestionably down to these 40 million brave and true Argentine freedom fighters....and in no way down to the loss of the Falklands war...to...ooops.

    It's just pure coincidence that Galeiri was removed immediately after the war, and the process of returning to democracy began immediately. Just pure coincidence.

    So in summary, all the bad things, either the Junta (not true Argentines) or those pesky US and UK boogie men, and all the good things...that's the brave and true 40 million freedom fighters who were tricked and downtrodden and were really really brave and fought the nasty Junta.

    Fucking hell....!!

    May 18th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    Road to Hell. Thank President Alfonsin for his' courage to judge murderers.

    May 18th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @33Mpnkeymagic

    Just wait until we hear the stories about CFK and Timerman years after they go - “we all knew they were criminals - they were an illegal government that did not represent Argentina. Criminals, nobody agreed with them!”
    etc. etc,

    “Trench toast” provided this enlightening link to what they are really all about:

    http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20130513_LaC%E1mporaFINAL.pdf

    May 18th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (31) lsolde

    As the Upajjhatthana Sutta says…:
    “I own my karma.
    I inherit my karma.
    I am born of my karma.
    I am related to my karma.
    I live supported by my karma.
    Whatever karma I create, whether good or evil, that I shall inherit.”

    Or, as that great English philosopher, George Alan O’Dowd brilliantly cooked it down to….:
    “Karma, Karma, Karma, Karma, Karma Chameleon….
    You come and goooo…., you come and gooooooooo...”

    PS...:
    There ARE limit to karma.....
    Look it up in your Maquarie Dictionary if you don't believe me ;-)

    May 18th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Good riddance to bad rubbish!!!!!!

    Marcos Alejandro, where did you get the bit about the UK supporting OUR Junta?????

    You are really off your head!!!!!

    May 18th, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Hopefully the state can organise and appopiate funeral chucked from the back of a plane over the south atlantic.

    May 18th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    37 Simon68

    “For decades, some have argued that stability required highly controlling regimes, and that reform and openness would put that stability at risk,”
    “We were wrong to support dictators, admits David Cameron”

    Do you know him Simoncito?

    The British government thinks the British people are unutterably stupid and have the memory of drunken goldfish...well

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/we-were-wrong-to-support-dictators-admits-david-cameron-6569683.html

    May 18th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I like nothing that has to do with the government of Argentina and typically endorse most things that are polar opposite. However this man was through and through evil. Anyone that can find good in him can also find good in Hitler, Stalin and Ceausescu.
    For me as an America, it's one more stain in my countries history of choosing evil as a friend in the name of democracy. Fortunately this is one I can look back and know this one I was not involved. The road to good intentions is usually path with the path to hell. My wish is that he shakes the hands of Nasty Nestor and Chubby Chavo. However, I must say in all the carnage, how did he manage to miss Christina, Nestor and family? Perhaps the current state of affairs would not be so desperate if you bagged them too.

    May 18th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #33 “I have no interest in this “Junta” tag. It was the government of the Republic of Argentina between 1976 and 1983.

    It seems as though not a single Argentine on these boards supported them...how funny. A huge collective case of “it wasn't me...it was him”.”

    You conveniently forget how they came to and maintained power, not exactly as a democratic government would!!! Btw unfortunately its not true none of the Argies on this board supported him, haven't you been reading the sick praise from the likes of cornelius (and the Brit ChrisR!) on this thread?

    #39 I know, even when the UK government have to admit it, some of their stooges try to keep up the old lie =(

    #40 A good post, ruined by the last 3 and especially very last sentence =(

    Loving the karma discussion between Think and Isolde btw, and I can see both your sides of the argument =)

    May 18th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    WHEREEVER HE IS.
    As i said when margaret thatcher died, such a despisable human being, can be forgiven by god only, due to i don't think that many of the people who live in earth have enough goodness and wisdom in order to forgive somebody like videla, as fas as i'm concerned, i don't have them in absolut.
    Anyway, i would be hypocrite if i don't recognize that i feel very happy for the fact that he died in prison, after having being judged and sentenced as the criminal that he was.
    Although i was born in june of 1981, what many of us still suffer, is the legacy of the dictatorship. While it is true that such great presidents like RAUL ALFONSIN, NESTOR KIRCHNER and CRISTINA FERNANDEZ DE KIRCHNER made a lot in order to desmantle most of the project that the dictatorship had stablished in 1976, which was deepened during the decade of the 90's, however part of the legacy of those horrible years still remains, and i don't mean it's shadow only. I mean some aspects of the economic program, like the relevancy of financial activities, the tortures in some prisons of the country, and some cultural behaviours which started in that time, like saving in dollars by some groups of our society.
    I heard some politicians who said that he took important secrets with him, which is true, but i'm sure that in a country like arg., which is judging and sentencing the criminals of the dictatorship, sooner or later all those secrets will be unveiled.
    I wasn't sure of posting this comment today, because unfortunatelly this website is full of eactionary and mediocre people who make ignorant and despisable comparisons, but beyond the intellectaul and moral decadence of some people, it's important that everybody express what they think. You'll find idiots and smart people everywhere.

    May 18th, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    axel your age makes sense why you are an indoctrinated Kirchnerite and apparently lower end of society, the ones that typically support the corrupt Kirchners due to the handouts. Soon enough the last of my wife's family will have all immigrated to the USA and Argentina will be nothing but flatulence. Something you know you have done in the past, but never really think about it.
    On another note of Videla, the people of Argentina need to realize that they created the monster. He may have always been, but the fact the the people of Argentina could not manage themselves for the past 150 years to his rise was the reason he came into being. Disagree all you want with remarkable and mundane statements and posts, but it is true. At the turn to 1900s, Argentina was the envy of the world and lost it, then Peron came along and destroyed it even more. It happens almost everywhere and it happens like an bacterial infection waiting for the weakest moment to spread. I really have no problem with whatever form of governance a society chooses as their government. However with the level of corruption that the Kirchner's brought to Argentina, it's a wonder that it dos not happen again......and it still may happen again. Though Kirchner destroyed the military to ensure it is more difficult to happen and to a level that Argentina is no longer capable of defending itself. But kirchner does have La Camporista's the beat and intimidate kirchner's opposition.

    May 19th, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    BK

    I don't forget at all how the Argentine Government came to power or how they maintained it, and the massive rallies, the huge crowds of Argie flag waving, ticker tape, like something out of Nurenburg.

    The pretence from the Argentine contingent that this was 1% of Argentines is A FUCKING JOKE. It is mediocre thinking LOL. Was it a majority who knows? but the support from the populous ran into tens of millions.

    Who can't imagine the imbeciles on these boards or their predecessors waving their flags, shouting jajajajajaj a, Malvinas are Argentine.....and all that shite.

    I can imagine the likes of Raul, Marcos, axel and Think quite happily pushing nuns out planes, then quickly swapping sides after the British destroyed the Junta...and blaming others rather than themselves for the Junta existing. Clearly their respect for human rights is shocking and very much in line with Videla.

    Anyway, the comparisons are still relevant although the extraordinarily thick axel hates them. Germany doesn't blame Hitler, they blame themselves and have learnt from it. Iraq doesn't blame Saddam, they blame themselves and have learnt from it....only Argentina blame someone else for their government, learn nothing from it, and when democracy is returned to them, they elect the most corrupt, monumentally stupid, ridiculous hag...

    Oh dear.

    May 19th, 2013 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @44 Monkeymagic,
    Don't spare their fragile feelings, Monkey,
    Tell it like it really is! lol!
    @36 Think,
    There is no limit to Karma my dear Think.
    lf you continually do evil, you will pay for it one day.
    lt builds up like a negative bank balance & can only be neutralised by an equal number of lifetimes of suffering.
    The only problem l have with the entire concept is that some adepts of Karma believe that you can continually do good & bank it.
    Then one time you can knowingly do some evil & escape retribution because of the good that you have banked.
    Karma goes on forever, until you continually do good, then you can enter Nirvana.(Paradise?)
    Who will any of us be next time, Think?
    Sisters, brothers, parent & child or lovers.
    l, personally believe that we cannot become animals.
    (animals have their pride, you know! lol!)
    lf we could, then l would like to be a Tiger.

    May 19th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    45 lsolde

    Have you considered that what we are now is all we will ever be?

    I like Karma for the living, IMO nothing exists after death.

    May 19th, 2013 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (45) lsolde

    Feel free to disregard poster (46), my Chère Tigress.......
    He obviously came back a a Turnip ;-)

    May 19th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Wow what a difference!

    Argentina had a junta and since it ended they are on their way to their second economic collapse with another government (yet again) steadily dismantling democracy.

    Chile had a junta and since it ended they are on their way to becoming Latin America's first developed country and a democracy that keeps getting deeper.

    I wonder which jail Cristina will spend her last days in?

    May 19th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    AXEL ARGIE

    Some reading about government control without military.

    http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20130513_LaC%E1mporaFINAL.pdf

    May 19th, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I love to see them end like this.

    Sadly, Chile didn't live the same with Pinochet and he was allowed to die in relative peace.

    In Uruguay, we'll make sure those criminals end up in jail before their victims die.

    Viva Motta!

    May 19th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    47 Think

    But with your total lack of veracity in everything you post and your obvious shortfall in grey matter processing power by comparison to me you must be a carrot.

    May 19th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    39 Marcos Alejandro (#)
    May 18th, 2013 - 05:43 pm

    Marcos you are being really stupid, or as our dear compatriot Think would say, “You are showing a lot of turnipidity!!!”

    David Cameron never mentioned OUR JUNTA, he was talking about supporting Sadam Hussein before the invasion of Kuwait. Britain, as I remember it fought a moderately long drawn out battle during 74 days against OUR JUNTA!!!!!

    That fact makes your comment a prime example of “nabosidad” or turnipidity!!!!!

    May 19th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @50 Stevie

    “In Uruguay, ”

    LOL!!!

    Welcome back, Stevie. All rested and ready to go again?
    I see Thinkedover and his puppets arrived yesterday.

    Does this mean that BK can go back to his administrative duties, writing scripts, planning disinformation strategies, payroll??

    May 19th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I think there was a payroll problem this week. certainly explains the light posts. Of then again with LNG shortages and petro.....heat or electricity might have been out....or both.

    May 19th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @46 ChrisR,
    We are all entitled to our own beliefs, Chris.
    l respect you for yours, but l do feel that there is life both after death & before we were born.
    l have never had a “near death” experience but have spoken to people that have & they are all similar.
    l have had “out of body” experiences so do believe that the soul can separate from the body & live on.
    The first one frightened the bejesus out of me, l can tell you!
    l would like to think that we will go on.
    lf at the end of our life, that's it, then l will be disappointed! lol!
    Wonder where Videla will end up?
    He has a lot to make up.

    May 19th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Karma Karma Karma

    Sutra sounds better,

    But all evil sadistically satisfying or not,, should be punished

    And Argentina still has a way to go yet,
    If of course CFK does not end up the next sitting tenant..lol.
    .

    May 19th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    55 lsolde

    I do hope and trust that you never feel 'badgered' by any statement I make regard me being an atheist because that is most certainly not my intention.

    Yes, we all like to think there is 'life' after death, but my scientific training and knowledge and the singular lack of evidence / proof for the Christian beliefs (which of course includes the Muslims whose Koran is really a parallel bible) precluded me at an early age from carrying on down the same well worn track that goes back 4,000 years. Yes, most of the elements of Christianity were taken from pre-existing religions, now overtaken by the story of Jesus.

    Not wishing to diminish in any way your out of body experience but this is very common in many races / tribes and is usually drug based. May I ask were you in hospital then under prescribed medication, perhaps during childbirth when you had the experience? The other ‘revelation’ which is very common indeed is the blinding white light, sometimes combined with a tunnel with the light at the end. I myself have experienced this during my hospitalisation when I was 34 and was operated on. As the staff brought me ‘back to the living’ I experienced this utterly blinding white light. When I told the houseman he smiled and said he wished he had a £100 for every time a patient confided this to him.

    A very dear friend, much older than I died some while ago and at his cremation ‘service’ (he was also an atheist, so NO vicar) another friend spoke the eulogy. He made it known that the plaque had the expression “the final disappointment” on it which I shall plagiarise (the one and only time) when my time comes.

    So I hope you are correct and that I am wrong!

    May 19th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I see Stevie is trying to pretend he lives in Uruguay again!

    Stevie, remember you aren't real. Sockpuppets reside in the imagination of their creator.

    May 19th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    This Videla article has me curious. I only know cursory information and anecdotes from my father in law. I think I am going to read some books on that period. Nothing like a read on an evil man. I hope God never forgave him.

    Chris, I respect you position in regards to God as I respect those that are convinced in their convictions and faith in God. However, this debate will will on infinitely and there are no winners or losers as neither can prove one or the other. I am one of the unfortunates that is stuck without a convinced position one way or they other. Though I have to say, both my parents were Russian othrodox, though my father an atheist and my mom a devout believer. Their ends were such a dichotomy. I often think about life and it seems at times too coincidential they way it is put together. Procreation in particular. You think humanity would have got to where we are if sex had no feeling to it? Just a thought. Anyway, for those that believe that religion are the primary cause of trouble in the world......I have to say I think it is more of extremists of any philosophy that is the root problem. Hussein was secular, as was Videla ( he was not waging a religious war), Noreiga, Kim dynasty, Mao....etc..etc.

    May 19th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    @22 If you go to san Francisco brings a friend to san Francisco gentle people… the 60ties remember that song, what are you smoking?
    For the masses I have contempt you can please them you must control them before you can teach them about democracy, South American have been abuse for so long that they think that now that they have power through unscrupulous leaders like CFK and that goes for all the Bolivarian countries.
    Now the masses feel that they have the right to collect all the wrong that had been done to them their contempt for those who produce and have a little more have no limits you need a hard dictator like Pinochet that rescued Chile from the disease of communism.

    May 19th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toxictaxitrader2

    60 cornelius
    Its not communism its social democracy,Argentina has the potential to give all her people a good life,it has democracy(which is being undermined) and Government of incompetents and thieves but thats a million times better than what you favor.

    May 20th, 2013 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    You will never establish democracy not in 200 years when you have no institutions you need discipline and order that the socialist cannot give you there is total social anarchy in Bolivarian countries the left is incompetent they live in an utopia these people are idiots they are being used by their leaders they actually have less democracy than two years ago o a year ago they are going backwards unless somebody strong comes along and is not going to be democratically.
    Can you imagine they give the right to vote to kids who have absolutely no idea about life what they are doing giving voting rights at fifteen they have no stake in society what do they know about anything what a joke social democracy this is complete insanity.

    @61 The masses feel that they have the right to collect all the wrong that had been done to them they have contempt for those who are productive and have a little more.

    May 20th, 2013 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @57 ChrisR,
    No Chris, l do not feel badgered or pressured in anyway.
    lf you're interested, my first out-of-body experience was when l was in my late teens & l was staying at a friend's house in the highlands of New Guinea.
    There was no TV reception in much of the country in those days, there is now, l'm told. Also because of the altitude it was very cold.
    So l went to bed early.
    When l woke, l was puzzled, not frightened, by the fact that there seemed to be a wall in front of my eyes.
    l then realised that it was the ceiling! l was floating just below the ceiling.
    l slowly turned my head to one side & l could see my body sleeping on its/my back on the bed.
    l was fascinated & moved my hand THROUGH the ceiling!
    Then l realised that l was like a baby & couldn't propel myself anywhere.
    That's when l panicked & suddenly l was back in my body with a jerk.
    l hadn't been taking any drugs & l hadn't drunk much.
    Just a cup of milo with a tablespoon of whisky in it, to keep out the cold.
    l've had other experiences, but was the most traumatic.
    l know that l wasn't dreaming.
    l think that we all do it, but seldom remember when our body awakes.

    May 20th, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    63 lsolde

    Thank you very much for that incredible description, the first one that I have had direct from the person involved.

    I think, as you say, you must be a witch! Good job it's not the dark ages!

    Thanks again.

    May 20th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (63) Isolde, dahling

    That certainly kills the myth of Milo “helping you to sleep well” ;-)))
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3qta9fvXBs

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  • Artillero 601

    @12
    There are 2 names that you should always remember : Gral Suarez Mason and Gral Luciano Benjamin Menendez .... that's all I have to say at this time :-)

    May 20th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (66) Cadete Menendez
    Gral. G. Suarez Mason is already forgotten....
    Same as Gral. L.F. Galtieri... forgotten...
    And Gral. J.R. Videla... forgotten...
    Gral. L. B. Menendez soon will be.....

    Be honest with yourself, Menendez......
    Besides Ojigüins & Pinocho..... What dead Shilean Gral. do you remember?

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  • Artillero 601

    @67 that's about it ! :-))

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  • British_Kirchnerist

    #42 Excellent comment axel =)

    #63 Fascinating =)

    May 20th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    SO appropriate for a ruthless dictator to die imprisoned in a Dictocracy. Ashame the Argentines took 25 years to put a man the Argentina itself created internally. He will live forever in Argentina and hardly a wet fart to the rest of the world. Sentencing him to hard labor would have been more fitting.

    May 20th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Time for a bit of Devil's Advocy here ...
    Videla and his cohorts were undoubtedly cruel and harsh in their methods , but what brought this about ?
    There was no blood frenzy in all previous coups , apart from about 100 shot after the overthrow of Peron in 1955 .
    From 1966 till 1973 , on the orders of Peron , approximately 15000 people took up arms against the military dictatorships of Ongania and Lanusse .They kidnapped , murdered , planted bombs and created fear and chaos. Kidnapped army officers and businessmen were held in pits and tortured and starved to death .
    The police rounded up most of the leadership of the Montoneros /ERP in 1971/72 and they were jailed by the courts .
    When Campora ( Peron's chosen candidate ) won the first 1973 election , he let them all go . The war resumed , worse than before. By 1974 , they were mounting battalion sized attacks on Army garrisons and bombs were exploding hourly in Buenos Aires .Thousands of innocent civilians were caught in these explosions .This is never mentioned by the current government ,who are all Montoneros , and their victims are not entitled to any welfare or compensation .
    Next time around , the military didn't bother with prisoners .They brutally interrogated and disposed of the enemy and their sympathisers , in the same way the Montoneros did.
    Incidentally , this government claims 30,000 disappeared in this so called “genocide”.The actual figure was probably more like 9,500 , according to CONADEP , the human rights commission set up to investigate the events of 1976-83.
    In VietNam , 30,000 people a MONTH died , yet they have moved on and are peaceful and prosperous now .
    Argentina could learn from that .

    May 21st, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #71 “From 1966 till 1973 , on the orders of Peron , approximately 15000 people took up arms against the military dictatorships of Ongania and Lanusse”

    As is legitimate when the path of peaceful protest and reform is closed by it being a military dictatorship

    ”The police rounded up most of the leadership of the Montoneros /ERP in 1971/72 and they were jailed by the courts .
    When Campora ( Peron's chosen candidate ) won the first 1973 election , he let them all go“

    If it was all sorted by 1972, why did the regime have to cede power under pressure, and lift the 18 year long ban on Peronism? Anyway the ”war“ was just part of what was happening those years, civilain activism and especially worker's struggles were equally important in undermining the regime

    ”Next time around , the military didn't bother with prisoners .They brutally interrogated and disposed of the enemy and their sympathisers“

    The ”enemy” had already largely been destroyed by then, by Isabel the anti-Cristina and her vile government (their return to anti-state war having been only because of their monstrous betrayal by Peron on his return; if only it was Evita who had lived that long!). Videla mainly targeted the “sympathisers”, ie trade unionists, radical students and other civilian activists; in other words, even if everyuthing you say about the guerillas is true, Vidella was just as bad, or indeed worse as more calculated

    “In VietNam , 30,000 people a MONTH died , yet they have moved on and are peaceful and prosperous now”

    They haven't asked the Americans or their collaborators back to take over though have they?! So why should Argentina live forever under the leadership of these criminals and those who support their “National Reorganisation”?

    Btw, if the junta were so legitimate, why did they have to resort to invading the Falklands?!

    May 21st, 2013 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Again.....what they did and did not do was all brought about because of the simple fact that the Argentines could not manage themselves and STILL cannot.

    May 21st, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    I never once suggested that Argentina should return to military dictatorship , but neither should it be ruled by a corrupt , pseudo left wing clique whose only objective is to enrich themselves beyond belief at the expense of the humble people they claim to represent .
    In order to plunder this once rich country , they dismantle the very foundations of democracy , namely the free press , education , the courts and the rule of law . Thanks to their mismanagement , the economy is crumbling before the world's eyes and there will be even worse poverty.
    Surely even a paid apologist such as yourself must be embarrassed to defend a government whose only response to criticism is to move football kick off times to coincide with Lanata!
    The VietNam analogy is important .That country suffered massively at the hands of the French , US and then China but they have put all that behind them and moved on and become prosperous .
    PS : Peron never betrayed anyone , he was always a fascist . He just used the Montoneros as his willing pawns . Evita was no marxist either , and thankfully Peron kept her wilder ideas ( such as attempting to arm the workers ) firmly in check , otherwise there would have been a huge bloodbath in the 50's .

    May 21st, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    CAPTAIN POPPY.
    After reading you comment 43, i realize that i'm not wrong when i say that this website is full of reactionary people who make ignorant comparisons, or too partial analysis.
    It's very easy to blame on people, in relation to the creation of a monster like videla, however what you omit, is that not everybody are brave enough in order to fight against the different criminal regimes that we had since 1930 untill 1983.
    On the other hand, the so called envy that you say, in reference to argentina, you seem to ignore that 100 years ago, argentina was just an agrarian british colony, where the empire had a very strong influence. Beside, the characteristic opulence of those years was enojoyed mostly by the richest sectors of the society, but popular classes live in very bad conditions.
    The first measures which benfited workers, started during hipólito irigoyen's government (1916-1922-1928-1930), thats' why he was very hated by the rich people.
    Anyway, in some way it's understandable that you continue making the ignorant analysis that you often do about our history, which is very tipicall of empires.

    May 22nd, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Once again one more Argentine refusing to take responsibilty for their creations. I have yet to find an Argentine that has ever been wrong. You epitomize to old Argentine joke...how does an Argentine commit suicide.
    Their are no right and wrongs in opinions and your biggest failure is trying to make a right and wrong in an opinion. Videla was you monster..........ashame he missed your maternal descendants.

    May 22nd, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #75 Good summary of Argentine history, much better than the ”one of the top countries in the world (how?) then blew it (why?)” myth that seems to be all the rage on here =)

    #76 “Videla was you monster..........ashame he missed your maternal descendants”

    What a despicable comment

    May 22nd, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Quite contrary BK.....one complimentary, yet insignificant comment deserves another.

    May 23rd, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ozgood

    What I would like to add, and I have written this before, is that the readers should read what Vargas Llosa wrote SI LLORO POR TI ARGENTINSA. I shall try to find a good English translation. What Vargas Llosa wanted to know was how Argentina fell into the trap of electing the wrong types for leaders. Correct me if I am wrong

    May 23rd, 2013 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #79 as I stated previously, he alone is not the responsible party.

    May 23rd, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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