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Maduro admits to knowing “the IDs and all” of the 900.000 Chavistas who did not vote for him
Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro admitted to knowing ‘with IDs and all’ who are the 900.000 Chavistas who crossed lines and did not vote for him in the 14 April election which anointed him as the successor of deceased Hugo Chavez. Read full article
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May 18th, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't make me fucking laugh!!!
What's that I hear...? Could it be the sound of 900,000 bodies plummeting into the Orinoco from a great height...?
May 18th, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Threats from the government? So much for “democracy”. Time for a Venezuelan spring me thinks.
May 18th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0So much for political freedom. That statement is made in a threatening manner. Will they not issue them toilet paper? Not ration of pinto beans? Of just have them disappear?
May 18th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes their democracy is the best in the world.....as long as you do what they say.
Maybe he should worry about whether they can buy food and toilet paper: http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2013/05/16/romo-venezuela-paper.cnn.html
May 18th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Condorito would say REFLAUTA
May 18th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you expect from a former Chavista thug?
We all should take a deep breath here and think about the impact of allegations such as this on democracy itself. These kinds of things are easy to say but should be backed up with sources which provide serious scholars the opportunity to study what went wrong and what can be proposed for future evolution toward more perfect democracy, world-wide.
May 18th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think this demonstrates just how stupid and paranoid Maduro is. Insecure, much.
May 18th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly Elaine.........regardless of who he knows did and did not vote for him, he statement alone says more than any actions he can possibly take. To make a statement to the ones that did not vote for him also smacks in the face of democracy and freedom......something that is a thinly worn veil in Venezuela.
May 18th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the shortages from price controls in full swing, the remainder of this year will be interesting........at least for how it affects “The Bus”.
So this the man supported by Mercosur ? Rousseff , Mujica and Kirchner must be wondering if this man is a complete fool . We all know that they knew who voted for Capriles , but to admit it !
May 18th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be afraid, be very afraid. This man knows who you are and he is coming to get you. You will need retraining to ensure you think and act the right way.
May 18th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, we all have an individual voter number in Britain too, its necessary to prevent fraud (and as Carter says Venezuela has one of the best anti-fraud safeguards in the world), so perhaps we don't have a secret ballot here either?!
May 18th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The man is omniscient
May 18th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can any Brit here tell me if any elected official in the UK ever made an implied threat to the people that voted against him or her? I am very confident in my initial thinking of ........NO!
May 18th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you were ever in SA you would know that is a threat BK. Just as his statement of....“those who do not vote for me will be cast with an evil spell”
Maduro already has a 180 grains of lead with his name on it..........or are they doing bombs these days days? Ever wonder why “The Bus” moves about with an entourage 4 times the size of Chubby Chavo?
What does the “little Bird” Chavo say about that?
@12
May 18th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes BK, there is a number on the stubs of a book of ballot papers, so that the issue of the ballot can be traced to an individual, but that number is not printed on the Ballot itself, which is what ensures that the vote is secret. A well tried and tested method used in nearly all Democracies, Clearly Venezuela does not fit in that category.
@12 BSK
May 18th, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And do you also remember me telling you that the Carter Centre did not check the Venezuelan system on the ground OR inspect the software that was going to operate the system in practice?
But no, you trusted the gullible idiots at the peanut farmers 'Centre'.
Ever thought of moving to The Dark Country and becoming a Camping-it-up member? You gullibility would fit right in for FatMax.
Seems BK does not know very much about the voting process in “his” country. I guess that is what happens when you only read about things in other countries.
May 18th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuelan ballot paper, name, address and recent photograph mandatory with each vote.
May 18th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela is a beautiful country, weakness institutions, strong people. In few years will be a great country......evolution, lords, evolution.......in peace, in order, in democracy. You do not understand our world......our world walking to the future.....your world walking to the past.
May 18th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay Brazileiro ! We take the ideas that were tried and carry them forward to the future. Each new idea is a new step to a more perfect country, life and democracy. We do not hesitate in the land of fear and hatred because we cannot know the exact future, and we have no time to condemn honest mistakes. What will be will be good if we work together for the good.
May 18th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#16 Peanut farmer, bus driver, seems you seem to think calling someone by the ordinary work they used to do is some kind of insult, maybe because you've never had to work with your hands yourself?
May 18th, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasileiro, I don't think you realize that your so called ideas went the way of the “great lizards” in the La Brea Tar Pits. Ask China and the USSR Yugoslavia, Hungary...and..and.
May 18th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Capitalistas y comunistas son de ayer, juntos, dice Brasileiro, yo creo.
May 19th, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0communism for sure......I know.
May 19th, 2013 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuelans are not stupid - with these veiled threats from Maduro more people will turn against him.
May 19th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I keep being told that Venezuela has been found to be a better democracy than other countries. Even the US.
May 19th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Supposedly in a real democracy there is a correct way to vote.
So glad Maduro cleared that up!
Apologies as it is off topic...
May 19th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0'The Government renewed its demands for decolonization of Malvinas
In the UN, Argentina requested by the islands very hard question to Britain, which endorsed as “non-self” to French Polynesia - The Government today renewed its claim for the decolonization of the Falkland Islands by questioning the position of the United Kingdom of Great Britain to the reregistration of French Polynesia in the list of territories under treatment of the Special Committee on Decolonization of the United Nations.
The Foreign Ministry yesterday reported that the plenary of the General Assembly adopted the United Nations, with the support of Argentina and the rejection of Britain, a resolution in favor of self-determination of French Polynesia.
That attitude was highlighted by the government as “a further step in the process of elimination of colonialism in the world, which was a broad consensus of the international community and the Argentina forcefully supported but the UK refused to support”....'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1583345-el-gobierno-renovo-sus-exigencias-de-descolonizacion-de-malvinas
Gordo1 (#25)
May 19th, 2013 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0'... with these veiled threats from Maduro more people will turn against him.'
These are not 'veiled threats', these are REAL THREATS.
As Maduro himelf says “When there is a man fallen in combat as was our commander (Chavez) strength must prevail.”
A peanut-growing bus driver with delusions of god, birds and combat is potentially a most frightening monster to deploy 'his' troops against 'his' people. He is even wearing military shirts to psychologically soften the people up to a tighter military control of their lives.
Paranoia is mental ill-health. He is not the sort of person to manage a country.
Discussion of democracy is indeed broad. Though Malvinas is far geographically, the central idea of evolving democracy to a more perfect form of government able to chart a course through twenty-first century trials.
May 19th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0On one side we have a false democracy in the US that manages the population with advanced brainwashing techniques and was exposed in possession of the voter roles of Mexico, Venezuela and other American countries, plus had a CIA connected corporate front doing the accounting for Venezuelan oil. On the other hand we have a small country like Venezuela resorting to clumsy tactics attempting to survive US corruption of its' electoral process.
Who's to blame with guilt and shame? The one who strong enough to be helpful world-wide but chooses instead to be a poster child of corporatist totalitarianism waging unending war against democracy world-wide.
So glad Garrett Connelley cleared that up.
May 19th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Maduro is a CIA puppet.
So these 900,000 are deserters in the Boliviano war.... which must mean Maduro is a traitor according to our helpful Garrett.
Death by firing squad.
Garrett......did you just get off he bus from La Campora? Your statement of false democracy in the USA is laughable for any American that reads it. If you ever read of the forms of democracy that exist in the USA, you would realize that the USA has more than one for of democracy depending on the level of elected government one is referring to. Federal government, state government, county or parish government and local government.........they range from republic democracies, right down to town hall meetings with the entire community deciding on EVERY action the town acts on.
May 19th, 2013 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to go on the brainwashing route the the USA is not a democracy because we use a republic at the federal and state level, so be it. But then that also pushes the SA countries even that much farther away from democracy. Did the people of Venezuela vote for the price controls that cause the toilet paper shortage? Did the people of Argentina vote for the judicial reform? WHo approves the the contracts for unions in Argentina.....the electorate through a vote.....or the presidente?
Garett your unsubstantiated statements are nothing more than a pisshole in a snowbank. They serve a short, very short lived purpose than fade away and no one ever know they were ever there. Your paranoia reminds me very much of PTSD......most likely from living in dictocracies. Perhaps you and the Venies should not have boorrowed money from Chevron.......BTW....did the people vote to borrow the money of the the little bird approve that action?
To save the following Countries we required:
May 19th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela needs a Pinochet.
Argentina needs a Pinochet.
Ecuador needs a Pinochet.
Brazil needs a Pinochet.
Bolivia needs a Pinochet.
@12 Ever counted votes in a British general election? Thought not. But I have. So you haven't seen the number of people involved. And how many lists of names AREN'T kept. There's no time. And the whole essence is time. And it's all carried out in a big hall. Where everybody can see what everybody else is doing. Apart from the invigilators that are constantly walking around.
May 19th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 I've never heard one. Or of one. Not even George Galloway!
@19 Evolution? Can you foresee them getting brains? Will you be getting one at the same time?
@29 Had to read your comment twice before I realised that it was the usual latino drivel. But it is clever. No facts, no examples, no proof. Just the normal “We are victims.” Of course you are. Chances are that virtually everybody in the world will be a “victim” one way or another at some time. Let's take a look at some of the things that go on in latin america. In argieland, they've elected a woman as president who can't even prove that she's a qualified lawyer. In Uruguay, for the same level post, they've elected a septuagenerian suffering from senile dementia. And now, in Venezuela, they've elected a bus driver! Of course you're victims. But you do it to yourselves! Just read this: http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20130513_LaC%E1mporaFINAL.pdf Then consider all the implications. People in positions of power who don't have a clue. What on earth would someone like Maximo know about running an airline? I doubt he even knows how aircraft fly.
@21 BSK
May 19th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you hated people like me (you think?) who use their brains and employ other people to make money out of them: oh wait, I had to PAY them, and a good amount too AND I had to pay all sorts of employee taxes to the government. AND I had to pay taxes on my profits in my businesses, I must really be a bastard.
The Peanut Farmer, aka Carter never worked a day on the farm and when he went there he MAY have picked a peanut shell up but that was about it. He owned a MASSIVE farmed area and no way could be considered a hands on (in the dirt) farmer.
I share one thing with the bus driver (almost). As always, and my employees knew this full well, I could do their job as good as they could. So when I had a car transport business I passed my test at what you would know as an HGV driver. I can drive unlimited mass in all axle configurations in the UK. My favourite was a 44 tonne 6 wheel tractor unit pulling a sliding skeletal container trailer. I did this so my drivers knew I understood their problems and I did everything I could to overcome them.
That, among other things is why I never had a problem getting people to work for me in any of my businesses: my existing employees were always suggesting someone who could join US. It was TEAM WORK, not them and me, something an embittered old Scottish commie with a Argentine whore fixation has NEVER experienced.
#32
May 19th, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cornelius ,
With all due respect, even if he was able to return, he wouldn't be able to solve the mess in a lifetime.
...although the average lifetime for many opponents would be quite short...
@29 Garrett Connolly
May 19th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha,
Are you sure you're not BILLY Connolly???
He has your character down pat in the film Water, about a small British Island that discovers it possesses unexpected wealth.
It is then set upon by its traditional enemies, including the local Communist idealogue, Connolly!
Water (1985): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090297/
sounds like a threat....isn't the voting system meant to be secret?
May 19th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South American Democracy!!!.....or the lack of!!
Maduro admits to knowing “the IDs and all” of the 900.000 Chavistas who did not vote for him
May 19th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...................
sounds like a very dangerouse man,
and another future dictator..
The latest documentary on Maduro....aka “The Bus”
May 19th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEtuXrV_KnM
Yet again BK shows why he is not British. Total fail on this one, Old Boy.
May 20th, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems there is martial law in town there boys. How bad does crime have to be to call in the military troops, men trained for combat? with 15,ooo murders a year for a population of 28.5 million, Venezuela is the crown jewel. They even beat the USA at slightly under 15,000, but a population of 317 million. Maybe this is all part of his plan.....to democratize crime?
May 20th, 2013 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.yahoo.com/venezuelas-military-enters-high-crime-slums-155220352.html
Yes, the lines queueing for bread - to keep them alive - will be supervised at gun-point.
May 20th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any deviations from the line will be terminally punished,
but this will not add to the homicide total .. because it is in the interests of discouraging law-breaking.
#29 Very well said Garret, your analysis sparkles with the best anti-imperialist traditions of the Irish people =)
May 20th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#32 But all those countries, especially Argentina with its “National Reorganisation Process” that was accepted by the Argentine Blair, Menem, have had their own “Pinochet's” already; and even Chile is on the road to recovery with Michelle =)
#33 “Ever counted votes in a British general election? Thought not. But I have”
Oh dear, my confidence in British election tellers has just gone down! But you are fair on George Galloway later in your post, so perhaps I shouldn't worry too much!
#34 “I thought you hated people like me”
I really don't; and if you ran your businesses in the, how shall I put it, communal way you describe, then you sound like a good employer. But as for your political views, especially in light of your post on Videla, well thats another story!
#40 How?!
#41 Well the deregulated police haven't done much good, as you keep pointing out (while blaming it on Chavez). So when you ask “how bad has crime got” as if Maduro is over-reacting to a minor issue, I must say I take your outrage with a pinch of salt! If this new initiative solves the crime problem that Venezuela does have, I predict Maduro will get a fair and square landslide next time =)
LOL my outrage! What outrage? Besides, this is his chance to get even with the opposition and the chavinistas that voted against him. If this is for crime only, was chubby the fat fucking chavo negligent in not doing the same? Murders have this level for years.....the then the USA and 9% of the population?
May 20th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “Bus” will be dead by then.
The wheels on the bus go round, round ,round
round, round, round,
The people on the bus go up and down, up and down, up and down........
Finally when people refer to reports from groups such as the Carter Centre that state Venezuela is a fully functional democracy, I can thankfully point out reports such as this which prove that that is no longer true.
May 20th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idiots always condemn themselves by their own words. And so far Maduro is proving himself a bigger idiot than most.
Comsidering my hometown invented the secret ballot all the way back in 1855, it doesn't surprise me that that someone so extreme left as Maduro still hasn't cottoned on to to how it works 158 years later.
Some people are just slow I guess. A slow witted idiot...... such severe retardation, no wonder he speaks to little birds
#45 “Finally when people refer to reports from groups such as the Carter Centre that state Venezuela is a fully functional democracy, I can thankfully point out reports such as this which prove that that is no longer true”
May 21st, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why thankfully? Are you glad that (in your view) Venezuela is no longer a democracy?!
Here is anopther nail in the “Buses” coffin. Of course no one of the trolls here will believe. Realistically, you can't toss this many accusations at these SA leaders with some assemblence of truth. Certainly it is not jealousy, who would be jealous of being the leader of the abjected poor?
May 21st, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.yahoo.com/leaked-recording-stirs-political-furor-venezuela-155548576.html
The people will pay in the end for their fool headedness and myopic views of corruption all because they were getting handouts. The Piper is coming and it's time to pay the price.
No longer a democracy?
May 21st, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh ,I haven't believed it has been a real democracy for a long time.
Now I can just quote that idiot Maduro to any idiots that claim otherwise.
Anyone that lives under real modern democracy knows venezuela has never really been a democracy.........it's in SA.
May 21st, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The idea is to nurture and grow democracy even in poor soil
May 22nd, 2013 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reality of and the outward toll inflicted by greenhouse gas engendered Climate Change is clearly evident (to all but the corrupt and devoutly ignorant) e.g. increasingly destructive and deadly tornadoes and hurricanes, destruction of marine life, severe droughts and rapacious wild fires.
But what are the psychical affects of chronic denial, noxious indifference and compulsive prevarication as related to a matter as all encompassing and crucial as our relationship with the climate of our planet?
Our current catastrophe of estrangement, termed “our way of life”, we experience as a denuding of resonance, meaning, as a prevailing sense of emptiness and unease, as a craving for distraction, as an inchoate longing for change and transformation, yet a diffidence to the point of paralysis insofar as any means to expedite longing and libido into cultural-altering action.
Estrangement from nature is estrangement from the landscape of the soul. The cosmos and the soul carry the same blueprint; the forces were forged in the same fires of infinity. In matters, galactic and quotidian, there is not a form that rises, waxes and wanes in nature that does not have an analog in our human form, physicality, faculties, and endeavors.
To turn a blind eye to the natural world, as we have done, amounts to psychical ecocide. Perception is degraded. Language truncated. Life becomes dispossessed of purpose and meaning. Apropos, the rise of and banal persistence of: The United States of Whatever.
Under these circumstances “whatever” translates into, inner and extant, deadly super storms, ecocide, desertification (including and related to the desertification of language). As we decimate the earth's biodiversity, we diminish our lexicon. Our thoughts cannot take wing; our imaginings cannot take root and flower; our passions cannot flow; our putrefying pathologies cannot be composted.
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Anyway, back on topic.... Venezuela's lack of democracy.
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Guru Connolly, that was a nice Cosmic Journey, man!!
Now, we need more Peyote before the two-headed moon devours the stars...
Far out!!!!
#50 Brilliant Garret, though lost on these right wing nuts I'd guess!
May 22nd, 2013 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0#50 quite irrelevant to the article at hand. Back on topic.........or closer toit. Now that the tape recordings have been exposed by Capriles, the Bus blames the USA and now Israel too. BK.....will that squash the Bus desires for high level talks with the USA now that he is tossing more fodder? Also you never provided me that link to Capriles “secret” plans?
May 22nd, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was Phil's writing, and the computer cut it off here :
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Divested of an eloquence of thought, expression, and action -- devoid of a deep connection to and denied of constant dialog with earth, sky, wind and water -- we cannot retain enough humanity to remain viable as a species.
One's humanity is restored by tears and laughter…by the marriage of empathy and eros. We must grief for the harm we have wrought and guffaw at our egoist folly; we must shed copious tears and be seized by outright, sustained laughter. Self-awareness is tantamount to salvation, and an experience akin to rebirth is bestowed by the apprehension of the ridiculous nature of vanity and empty striving.
Then and only then, do conditions become favorable for restoration and re-visioning. Thus, grace falls as a forgiving rain.
Phil Rockstroh
Now my words ... It seems to me that if one is unhappy with the election and favors the side which almost came from behind and won, then a better discussion is how to go about improving the democracy and winning the next election.
For example, the voting records are used improperly between now and the next election, document each and every instance accurately and truthfully with real testimony that can be backed up with irrefutable facts rather than the unsupported claims of a random unprofessional article on the internet.
Unprofessional? What kind of pro publishes a picture of a handsome and serious looking opposition leader for everyone in the world to see?
Yes Capriles why don't you improve democracy in Venezuela you dimwit.
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's that? Oh civil society has been destroyed by chavismo over the past decade!
And the army and police forces have lost all impartiality? You don't say!
And the media has been hijacked?
You're a naive idiot Garrett Connelly. Must be nice to write from a country that protects your rights.
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