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Cristina prepares great rally to celebrate ten years of the Kirchnerite model
The Argentine government is preparing for a huge political demonstration next Saturday 25 May to be held in the Plaza de Mayo to celebrate 10 years since President Cristina Fernández late husband and predecessor Néstor Kirchner took office. It will also be a test ahead of the October mid-term election. Read full article
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May 22nd, 2013 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha seriously? Will the 10 year birthday cake be made out of bullshit?
May 22nd, 2013 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know that 36% of their entire GDP is just taxes they're taxing on themselves?
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reason you switch.out leaders is that at first thet implement their best ideas. Then...
“The won decade”?
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear this decade was considered a win? Why do Argentineans aim so low?
CFK:
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It's my party and I'll cry if I want to”
She can't cry - after all the cosmetic surgery her tear ducts are down by her elbows.
May 22nd, 2013 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is the “model” a Dinky toy?
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any hope it could turn into a pot banging lynch mob? Will Stink, Nostril and Dunny Burger be there?
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0She's preparing a rally in support of herself? Is attendance compulsory?
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0This sounds like something Kim Jong Un would do in North Korea.
If you show up, you get 50 pesos. That really would celebrate the Kirchnerite model.
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yay! 10 years of watching their Peso devalue against nearly all the worlds currencies, defaults and growing inflation,crime,corruption and poverty!
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Already Sounds like a party to me!
10 years of robbing the country blind, and we are still getting away with it! Let's celebrate and rub their noses in it! Hurrah for us!!!
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0P.s. Is large scale long term incompetence and embarrassment on the world stage considered a success in the modern world? It wasn't when I was a lad, but who knows in these new fangled times.
P.p.s sweepstake on how many times she mentions the mythical Malvinas anyone?
He really was 'one eyed wasn't he....
May 22nd, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wish I could be there =( This looks like it will be amazing, the perfect answer to Macri, Moyano, Clarin and all the hyenas and their pitiful rallies =) Viva Cristinita!
May 22nd, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone step on BK .....he's like a cockroach.
May 22nd, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0No amount of shit shoveling is going to save those midterms. it's almost guaranteed the now until October she will be tossing handouts. More price freezes, increases in welfare handouts, perhaps even income tax exclusions for incomes under 50,000 pesos.....oh, wait, that is too high a income......lets see......how many pesos a day moves an Argentine out of poverty....10?
MP
May 22nd, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“corruption cases involving her former husband and president and his business cronies who still are around, and allegedly prospering”
What happen with the “everyone is innocent until is proved the contrary?
Until now only lies and conspiracy theory was published by ClarinMiente and La Destruccion media.
Clarin Miente and “Pelotudismo para todos” said that The K family have a vault with 5bn Euros.
The architect that design it said that was a normal enclosed area that 90% in Santa Cruz ask to have at home to safe guard documents and other stuff.
Oh! come on 5bn Euros cannot be stored in that little “Enclosed Area” only stupid can believe that.
To have 5bn in a place you need 50m2 meters by 3 height and the place showed by “Pelotudismo para todos” hardly can hold a couple of millions dollars.
5bn Euros in cash will weigh more 5 tons, people have to be very ignorant and if they think a little bit will realised that all this it is just BS a complete lie.
Have you ever guys have a 100k in dollars or Euros? Its is pretty a pain to put in some place imagine a million dollar or Euros and a Billion?
5bn Euros will require a 50 mts by 3mts tall 150mt3 and the place showed by
“ Peolutidismo para todos” hardly have 2x 3 mts.
These things are the ones that make people to don’t believe in the media.
They just don’t stick with everybody logic and thinks that people are so stupid.
Call to MP if you want credibility try to stick with reality.
Doesn’t harm stop to copy paste “ClarinMiente and La Destrucccion”...
Just a thought...
......tripe
May 22nd, 2013 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quote “...everyone should make every effort to be there....come by train, by bus, by bicycle, by automobile or even on foot....” end quote
May 22nd, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Josef Goebbells re the 1936 Nuremberg Rally
La Campora will be busing them in. Seriously, BK, get on one of the La Campora sites and see if they will fly you in.
May 22nd, 2013 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 - So danny berger, what your saying is that all the unofficial inflation statistics published by companies in Argentina by a third party as a result of fear of being fined if they themselves directly published statistics that differ from CFK's official Statistics are conspiracy theorist, along with economic experts the world over, and along with the IMF, World Bank and Currency Markets. All whilst you have import restrictions, dollar clamp and frozen prices in super markets so people can afford to buy food at 100 peso for half a trolley load, along with many other clear signs of a failing economy.
May 22nd, 2013 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol - Only conspiracy theorist here mate is you, either that or your mentally deluded!
Could easily turn nasty (hopefully). 10 years of a country sliding back into the shit. Someone tell me what is there to celebrate except for vastly increased politicians bank balances?
May 22nd, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0British_Kirchnerist
May 22nd, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well grab a flight and head on over. For someone who is so enamoured by Argentina and especially by Cristina, why do you not visit frequently?
Go over and join the celebration. No one is stopping you.
So just how much of the national budget is spent on propaganda? Wake up people of AR...self promotion on this scale in any other country would be tantamount to a criminal act. By the way...futbol is not “free”...you are paying for it so that cfk can promote herself.
May 22nd, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0May 25 is Independence Day in Arg so CFK is hijacking the independence day celebrations to promote kirchnerismo.......another example of how the government manipulate the people for their own ends
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's time that CFK realizes that the government is not the state......governments come & go but the state continues. However self deluded megalomaniacs find it difficult to make that distinction!!!
@22 If you haven't gathered, he is a coward who insists on cheering for an idiot President from an obscure basement in his parents suburban home.
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, he probably might get stabbed, robbed, or murdered by the K supporters, and have a foot broken off in his hind quarters by the opposition. He would rather support Hitler from a safe distance, than stand in the Lion's Den and end up in an oven, so to speak.
The prisons will be empty that night!
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 ... 90% of people in Santa Cruz have a safe at home ? Is crime that bad ? How does that fit into the “won decade”? Is feeling insecure called winning in Argentina ?
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just wondering if the much younger more beautiful X mistress of Nestor Kirchner Elizabeth Miriam Quiroga will be invited???
May 22nd, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are serving 'Kirchner canapés' all pastry and no filling. The 'kirchner cocktails' are 10 pesos for the first 30 minutes, then they go up a peso an hour with inflation.
May 22nd, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope they play some spirited dirges at the wake they are planning.
May 22nd, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“... Activist groups loyal to the president have predicted it will be the largest demonstration in the history of Kirchnerism with more than 500,000 people.”
May 22nd, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The kirchnerist plague are going to be pushed to get 500k people into Plaza de Mayo, the biggest recorded crowd in the Plaza was to celebrate the invasion of the Falkland Islands in April 1982 with a total of 260k.
If Parrilli, the renegade Neuquino, wants a 500k crowd he should make the show in the 9 de Julio where the opposition managed over a million protesters!!!!
Dany, BK et al
May 22nd, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the decade has been so successful why the emphasis on the obligation to be there and celebrate? If people are really happy with the government they dont need any encouragement to attend the celebration. Peronism wants to keep everyone in a constate state of anxiety - theres always a massive threat from non belivers even in a 'Won Decade'.
Pathetic.
Just want to repeat what Orbit said
@16 ... 90% of people in Santa Cruz have a safe at home ? Is crime that bad ? How does that fit into the “won decade”? Is feeling insecure called winning in Argentina ?
Dany Berger you are an idiot.
Great, another bused-in-rally at public expense. Can't wait. Why don't they just make a movie and show it at “football for all” time.
May 22nd, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Choripan and vino for all.
May 22nd, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This country is a sinking ship, if not already sunk deep into the ocean.
I hope i can leave this place soon.
@16 Dunny Burglar most banks don't hold that much in currency, ever heard of bearer bonds? One bearer bond can be for any amount of money on a single A4 size specially made sheet of paper. Your not very bright are you?
May 22nd, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 May 25th is the May Revolution Day, our Independence Day is July 9th. And in Argentina, there's not really a difference between government and state...
May 22nd, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there's not really a difference between government and state...
May 22nd, 2013 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There should be. This is a fundamental aspect of democratic politics.
Perhaps they will talk about the former Ford Execs being charged with crimes against humanity:
May 22nd, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/131645/exford-chiefs-implicated-in-human-rights-case
Also noted is how Ford can be charged. Seems to me like a procursor to Asslips expropriating the Ford plant and assets in Argentina to prevent them from pulling out or Argentina.
I completely agree with Dany. The Kirchner billions are not kept in the hidden room. The money is probably in banks in the British Virgin Islands.
May 22nd, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of Nestor's sexual prowess...
http://m24digital.com/en/2013/05/06/miriam-quiroga-former-secretary-of-nestor-kirchner-cristina-knew-everything-video/
Former mistress of Nestor tells the truth about the corruption.
This 'Won Decade' celebration will be big. The thieves and spongers will celebrate loudly. But the fuss will soon die down...
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question is will the thieves have enough to bribe voters leading upto the mid term elections..?
Obama salutes CFK on National Day anniversary:
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It added: “Today we build on longstanding partnership in areas such as the promotion of human rights.” “We look forward to continuing to develop a mature, balanced and constructive relationship with Argentina,” the letter signed by Obama stressed.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/131680/obama-salutes-cfk-on-national-day-anniversary
but no mention about their 10 year reign..
@Teaboy2
May 22nd, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me a statistic made by them, methodology and sample taken by them weight PL, etc.
Do you have ever saw one?
I didn’t, so pure crap as always, rumours, invented news, conspiracy theories and “Peolutdismo Para Bobos”
@Tobers
“How does that fit into the “won decade”? Is feeling insecure called winning in Argentina ?”
What have to do your statement with to have in a safe place papers? Are you idiot ignorant of just stupid.
@slattzzz
The stupid fat man “La Nata” from “Pelotudismo Para bobos” said that Cristina has 5 billions Euros in cash in a vault in her house. Only a complete stupid idiot can believe that, well lets say the people that watch “La Nata” TV show “Pelotudismo Para Bobos”
And I would like to correct my typing mistake above in the other post.
5bn Euros would weigh 50 tons and not 5 tons as I wrote before.
@Chicureo
Sure that would be more credible but the Fat man “LA Nata” is so lair that some time forgets to that to be credible his lies have to have at least a touch or credibility.
Im english middle class and I dont know anyone in Britain who has a safe in their house. If they did it'd be a small detchable thing hidden on the bookshelf under the bed or something. Rich people probably have a built in safe but for most of them not a walk in safe. You see Dany in Britain there arent the levels of crime as in Argentina hence we dont have built in safes in every middleclass home, rejas on every window...Homicide levels are one third that of Argentina and we have almost half the number of police on the street. Cop killings are very rare. In Argentina it seems every week....
May 22nd, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DunnyBurger
May 22nd, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Aerolineas Argentina is not losing 2M USD per day then, up from 1 M USD/day before your masters La Camping-It-Up took over? And I wonder where that million is going to?
AND the 29 YO female Marxist extorting non contractual money from LAN AND flouting court judgements by closing them down and stranding 5,000 customers is doing a great job? OR is that another lie by MP?
I hope the crowd turns ugly and hangs TMBOA on the spot. Now THAT would be something you could all celebrate.
@42 the money trail to Nestor is growing stronger by the minute, only a fool could believe a journalist could make all this stuff up out of thin air....
May 22nd, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/131646/former-president-n%C3%A9stor-kirchner%E2%80%99s-exsecretary-charged-in-case
All Dictators needs to see how much they are loved by the people. Look at how many turn out for Fat Kim!
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Choripan
Vino
$100 pesos
Please queue up to the right
I hope it turns uglier than Crissy...before the makeup and wig
Her demise is inevitable but she's not done yet. A lot of people have done very well out of the Kirchner's , and now they are committed. They've gone along with everything their bosses says is true that they, and everyone else in Argentina, knows cannot possibly be true. They have nodded their heads and taken their money and have no where else to go. I think it's safe to say that things could shortly be very tense in Argentina
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 James
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good BA Herald link - somebody turned over a stone and the slimey creatures underneath are exposed to the light.
Dany
The end is near...
@48 indeed Troy, I especially like this link where CFK dropped 10 places to 26th in the list of the world's most powerful women..
May 22nd, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/131678/merkel-rousseff-top-forbes-powerful-women-list-cfk-ranks-26
Dear=CFK
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ten years at the bottom=
Quite an achievement is it not..lol.
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mercopress beat me to it lol ...
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is quite a good read also about La Campora If anyone is interested...
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/argentine-president-draws-opposition-ire-for-sending-militant-supporters-into-schools-1.532066
Cfk brain washes all who love her--
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just look at her bloggers on here.
Cristina must be allowed to carry on - the job is only half done - Argentina is only 'half destroyed' LOL
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be interesting to see when the CFK supporters meet the ones against CFK, at the same place.....
May 22nd, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 053. I'm with you! I'm not sure what other country I would watch with so much morbid fascination.
May 22nd, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is like a very slow train wreck and you can't turn away
Every knows it si going to crash except the passengers
oops maybe that is not such a great analogy
In other news, CFK today confirmed that she could no longer find the plot, and would soon be declaring it missing, if not lost:
May 22nd, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/131663/cfk-it’s-ridiculous-to-be-scared-of-the-government
@56 Orbit
May 22nd, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But no-one need fear the government! As long as they keep paying to my slush fund she said!
LOLs
@57, 56
May 22nd, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No-one need fear the government? Here's a good example how CFK uses AFIP (tax collectors:) “Argentina’s tax agency sent 50 officials to the local unit of billionaire Kenneth Dart’s Dart Container Corp. as part of an investigation into tax evasion and accused him of financing anti-government protests.” Bloomberg news. This sort of thing is a common practice for this government. They did the same thing to Clarin and numerous individuals they don't like.
The night of the “cacerolas”!
May 23rd, 2013 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 058 ptolemy
May 23rd, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA needs to be very careful upsetting the Dart family.
I would not be surprised to learn that they have more money and assets as a family than the Argentine government.
And their friends are just as wealthy as them.
Oh dear!
A DECADE I WON'T NEVER FORGET.
May 23rd, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had never thought that i would vote for a peronist government someday, because my parents have always been activists of the radical politic party, in fact my family and i had supported fernando d la rua's government, because i was sure he was going to improve the serious situation of the country, after 10 years of terrible menemism. But after the crisis of 2001, i felt so dissapointed that i didn't want to know anything with politic.
If i voted for nestor kichner in 2003, it wasn't because i considered that he was going to be a good president, actually the only one reason why i voted him, was because i didn't want menem to win again.
It took me many years to recognize that nestor kichner was different to all the other politicians, in fact, i didn't vote for c. f. k. in 2007 either. But i changed my mind absolutly in 2008, after the huge agraian conflict, which was actually an intent of coup d'etat, in that moment i realized that i could not continue being indifferent to politic. I don't know what will happen in the country in the future, but i won't never be indifferent to politic again.
It's understandable and respectable that a politic project has detractors, in fact, some of their critics are really relevant, but what is despisable is the hypocresy of planty of the pople who criticise only the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's govt., but don't say anything about the cases that involve the oponent politicians, or the understimation that that many of those people do, in relation to the kichnerist supporters.
Anyway, beyond all those reactionary and hypocrite people, there are many achievements that we could get, and we must defend them. I have never denied that we still have very serious problems to solve, like poverty, indigence, inflation, corruption, institutional violence etc etc, but despite all these problematics, there is nothing of the previous years to 2003, which was better before the kirchnerism.
@21 “Someone tell me what is there to celebrate except for vastly increased politicians bank balances?”
May 23rd, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what CFK is holding the party for-but she hasn't told the punters yet.
“planty of the pople who criticise only the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's govt”
May 23rd, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not true axel grease, we all actually criticize her astonding level of economic incompetence, her lack of political skills, her frequent vindictive use of her tax army, her unbelievable ability to remove democracy and her total hatred of the middle working class in Argentina. Apparently axel, you were still suckling momma teats to realize what was good prior to 2003.........Kirchner's never like that period either.....they could not steal to the leve they could once they got into office.
Try something new.....this is not your forte'
@61 That is actually very interesting to learn who you voted for and why. Your reasons are not dissimilar to those expressed by others in Argentina.
May 23rd, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You tend to take the criticism of your government personally. You shouldn't and it may be cultural. Nationalism inculcated in Argentines teaches you that any criticism of anything to do with Argentina is an attack on all Argentines. It isn't. Most criticism on here is aimed directly at the corrupt K's and with very good reason. It is perfectly acceptable to hold to account the people elected and in power. That is not an attack on Argentina as a whole.
Exceptional observation Elaine.
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you say Menem was bad, you were not saying Argentina was bad, right?
You voted against Menem, not Argentina.
This is the same. CFK is accused of corruption - if she is voted out, it is only a legitimate Democratic process, it is not Treason towards Argentina.
For the love of Argentina, you, the Argentinian people, must vote for whoever is doing the best for the country and the people, and vote out criminals like Menem (or CFK) who rob the people. The People ARE Argentina.
We cannot tell you what to, it is your country, you have to help yourselves and decide for yourselves.
However, even if you cannot charge other officials who are corrupt, you CAN get rid of a corrupt President, like you did with Menem, and still be patriotic.
Who pays for this rally?
May 23rd, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, might as enjoy any good feelings you can there
O(h goodie , another free barbeque with transport laid on !!!!
May 24th, 2013 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can we all come ?
I notice she didn't lay on transport for the people stranded in Retiro for a week during the last bus strike , many of whom had just come out of hospital , having had operations in the capital's hospitals .
There is money to lay on these junkets , but not to pay the teachers .
Shove it where the sun doesn't shine , Axel .
Very good article in the Financial Times about the mad queen of theft.
May 25th, 2013 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d9d24c32-c463-11e2-9ac0-00144feab7de.html#axzz2UGMiGhhl
Argentina missed a trick after Galtieri and the Junta's demise. It was the time for introspection, taking account and taking responsibility. That didnt happen.
May 25th, 2013 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder how much she has to pay to gather a crowd?
May 25th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#61 An excellent account, I must say I admire you for taking your stand with Cristina at the very moment the right tried to isolate her and drive her from office =) Elaine, Troy, I think your responses miss the very thing that Troy at least emphasizes, that Axel is clearly big and mature enough to tell the difference between the government and the people, as he did with Menem! But in terms of policy, Menem and Cristina are not only different, but diametrically opposed, so its no mystery that one can oppose one and support the other!
May 25th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK
May 26th, 2013 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0your “summations” are on the end of every thread, again - damage control .
Well, it's over now and the night ended without the gift to the people that TMBOA could have given: her hanging by her neck from a lampost.
May 26th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, better luck next time!
@64 Elaine B - Very insightful comment about how Argentinian's take it personally when anyone criticises the person they voted for. It is like criticising their parents. People build an emotional attachment between the leader and the voter, and this is precisely the problem, because it removes any possibility of accountability. It is a sort of unresolved oedipus.
May 27th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This thesis was analysed and developed by a Sociologist, Juan José Sebreli, in a book titled “Comediantes y Màrtires - Ensayo contra los mitos”. I am not sure it has been translated into English but I recommend it!
@rudolpharr
May 28th, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have to see how the British emotional get when you criticise their smelly granny Queen and Royal Family.
And the idiots not even vote for her...
“I am not sure it has been translated into English but I recommend it!
Yes and got the title “Brits conservatives retarded at best”...
*Giggle
May 28th, 2013 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 076
May 28th, 2013 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a wit !
Dany, you clever goose, you should have done your funny act at “The Kirchener Follies” this past weekend, right after the folk singer with the guitar.
#75 So what's your solution; for people to vote for leaders they hate and mistrust and are utterly cynical about, like in Europe? Even when there's someone better on offer, a charismatic democrat like Cristina or Galloway? Suppose thats how we ended up with David Cameron and Nick Clegg...
May 28th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0#75 BK- YOU hate and mistrust leaders in Europe and you extrapolate your hatred to the rest of us. Luckily, you only represent 1% -at a push- of public opinion. George Galloway is a marginal and corrupt buffoon taking cash from terrorists. Nobody in their right mind would take him seriously. However, you are right in comparing him with Cristina. The difference is that, in modern Europe, these people are laughable and in Argentina they get elected time after time, and people build shrines in their honour. Yet, the poor are getting poorer and the politicians richer and richer.
May 28th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reading you I can detect that you are aching for an Ayatollah to nurture you. Most of us don't! I am not a supporter of David Cameron or Nick Clegg, far from it. Luckily I can vote them out and there is no risk of them ever staying in power very long. I can also take them to court, if they commit any wrong, and I can be certain of getting a fair trial. There are many things to improve in Europe, but nothing to learn from Argentina, Venezuela, etc. If anything, the UK should look at Sweden or Norway for better examples of how to run a fairer society.
Your craving for charismatic paternal figures only informs us about your psychology. I suggest you move to Iran for a while and try to abuse your freedom of speech, and see how you end up.
80 rudolpharr
May 28th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are WAY behind the curve with Sweden.
Yes, it used to be great but it is almost as bad The Dark Country in their manner of changing the constitution without informing the citizens and their rediculous hug-a-mulla approach to the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZtc2ma2GEQ
#81 ChrisR
May 28th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you serious? Pat Condell? I honestly hope you are kidding me...
....and yes Sweden has been taken over by Muslims and we will soon have a Sultan. Carl Gustaf is growing a beard and he started raping the Queen! It is a known fact that all Muslims are terrorist and rapists, of course, and they want to take over Europe. I think Pat should shoot himself in a Mosque like Dominique Venner in Notre Dame last week, to prove a point. We need heroes! Beware, France is being taken over by the gay mafia...François Hollande will soon come out...And the Pope is Argentinian! We only need George W Bush to take over Amnesty International now. DOOM!
82 rudolpharr
May 28th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what Pat Condell says about the constitution is a lie? Please provide a link that proves that is so.
@81 regardless of the problems Sweden is facing I think you're out of your mind to compare it to Argentina. Though I'm surprised if they can change their constitution without the people's approval. You'd think they wouldn't let their politicians do that, would they?
May 29th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@MagnusMaster
May 29th, 2013 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah sure especially the security there...
Driver hunting Laser man In Sweden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8XRpxxPOk&NR=1&feature=endscreen
He quite safe here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8XRpxxPOk&NR=1&feature=endscreen
ha ha
@83 Chris R (#), 84 MagnusMaster (#)
May 29th, 2013 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0First, Pat Condell is a racist lunatic full of fears and hatred. If that is how you get your news, well... May be you WANT to think that way.
I have read the Swedish new proposed constitution because I work in Constitutional Law. It is an extremely progressive document. The reason it was not submitted to a referendum is that 95% of Parliament is in favour of it. It does not require a referendum legally. Public opinion was not hugely divided in this matter.
Foreigners cannot be elected to office as Pat Condell states. You HAVE to be Swedish, obviously, but you don't have to be born in Sweden, which is a very brave move. Don't you think so?
The new constitution devolves more power to local authorities and introduces local referenda, like in Switzerland.
It also increases the guarantees on the independence of the judiciary. There are a few other very progressive changes.
As MagnusMaster says, if you are seriously comparing Sweden with Argentina, you need to go into deep reflection and rethink your life and put things into perspective.
86 rudolpharr
May 29th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps it is YOU who should reconsider and look at WHAT is happening in Sweden, NOT what the likes of you want to happen.
Perhaps Pat Condell got it mainly right after all: certainly more accurate than you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/swedens-riots-put-its-identity-in-question.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/swedens-riots-put-its-identity-in-question.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/swedens-riots-put-its-identity-in-question.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
“Johansson: Sweden has become a country of neoliberal experimentation. Profit-oriented companies run schools, and poorly funded community schools are being replaced by religious ones. By international comparison, the Swedish educational system has dropped considerably, and the youths in our suburbs have been the victims. Social standards have been drastically cut back, and satellite communities have been particularly neglected.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/swedens-riots-put-its-identity-in-question.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
87 ChrisR (#)
May 29th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chris, your posts have nothing to do with the constitution.
And yes, I understood your message, you don't like immigrants and Muslims. Fine.
88 rudolpharr
May 29th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with the intent of your sentance but not the clumsy way in which it was put. I believe that British jobs are for British people wherever possible, not the thugs from the Eastern Block (Polish are not thugs and are very welcome: THEY work hard in the main).
BTW wait untill the Wahhabi start on you.
89 ChrisR (#)
May 29th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think British jobs are for the most competent and motivated candidate available, regardless of nationality, skin colour or religion.
Having said that, I disapprove of any religion, simply because I think it vilifies human beings and prevents them from being free and rational. Yet, if people want to pray to Mecca or believe Jesus is the son of god, I can only feel sorry for them, not punish them, provided always they don’t impose it on me.
Are you suggesting that if I have two candidates for a job interview, one British and one Russian, and the Russian is far better qualified and performs better during the interview, I should give the job to the Brit? Why? What rational criteria could I possibly apply? Why would that be in my interest or in the interest of the progress of my business, the economy, knowledge, etc.?
90 rudolpharr
May 29th, 2013 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The immigrants for the most part are taking up non-skilled jobs. The sort that undergraduates do to earn a little money, house wives with children to make ends meet, people who have been made redundant from a much better job but are desperate for money, I am sure you already know this.
No educated Russian is going to bother with these so you will be able to offer him the job: a lot of the educated British having left the country, or don’t you know that either?
But the illiterate thugs the UK does get: and if you don’t understand the real problem, read the ethnicity of convicted felons on GBH, etc.; are presenting local authorities with real problems on education and housing BESIDES undercutting the wage rates.
These people are also fishing local pools that have been nurtured over the years by fishing clubs to the point where they have no fish: they EAT them you see? It is what they do in the “old country”. They also carry large 'sport' knives but somehow never get arrested.
But the UK has long since been run by the multi-culturists who didn’t understand the meaning of the word until the grooming and rapes (ALWAYS by Muslims) and killings started and now the genie (literally) is out of the bottle there is no putting it back.
At least those immigrants are not using the excuse of self determination to grab others people Islands like someone monolingual I know.
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