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St Helena airport to open February 2016; on line survey to assess travel potential
As from 2016 the British Overseas Territory of St Helena in the mid Atlantic will have regular flight connections when the island’s first airport opens which opens a magnificent opportunity for promoting tourism and for Saints living overseas to visit their homeland. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOh look, St Helena was discovered by a Portuguese chap, so it belongs to Brazil, and they are invading to reclaim their heritage from Portuguese colonialism and oust a colonial power and a transplanted population. No, wait, Brazilian politicians aren't as stupid and vicious as some of their neighbours.....
May 28th, 2013 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's hope that the Saints have an easier time of things when the airport opens, and presumably flights to the Falklands from the UK and vv will stop there.
Yeah, but the Falklands weren't even discovered by an Argentinian.
May 28th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 It's unlikely that flights to the Falklands from the UK will stop there because of the length of the runway. It's possible that there might be tests to see just what can land and take off, especially if not carrying full loads. At present, it is expected that aircraft of similar size, etc as the Airbus A319, Boeing 737 and Boeing 757-200 could be accommodated. But these don't have the range to reach the Falklands unless they can fly on fumes. However, the original design of the airport has been changed so that an extension to the runway could be added later. A Boeing 737-800 might then be feasible.
May 28th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truly excellent news further annoying argentina in its bitter agenda to try and isolate The Falkland islands from the outside world and into submission,
May 28th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0suck it up argies its all for you!
SELF-DETERMINATION.
3- info from St Helena is that a 200mtr extension is going ahead so it can operate the route UK-St Helena-Falklands, presumably with Ascension fitting on the end of the scheduled service between St Helena and S.Africa.
May 28th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If correct this makes St.Helena-FI links much easier and cheaper for people,tourism and business movements, with Asc Is still accessible.
How much oil exploration has been done so far there I wonder.......
May 28th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hope they too can have an oil indutry.
CFK to the UNGA: I´d like to express once again the Argentine interest in dialog, but it´s also true that a long time has passed and we want to make clear we will keep on waiting a reasonable time, after that time we might need to start to revide the 1999 agreements (LAN Chile flights between Punta Arenas and Islas Malvinas).
May 28th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saint Helena - Puerto Argentino flights? Good news?
Wonder how happy British tax payers are with all the money spent in Mount Pleasant, new airports, etc to satisfy 1500 VIP people´s wish to maintain hight living standards in the South Atlantic.
#7
May 28th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0revide? no such word in the English language - explain!
We are perfectly happy to spend our tax money on this project , thank you. As an added bonus it seems to be annoying the hell out of you
St. Helena to “puerto argentino” ? As there is no such place it would be pointless trying to fly there. Anyway, it sounds rather Argie - who in their right mind would want to have anything to do with a name like that.
@7
May 28th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely delighted since you ask!! Of the tax spending that does not benefit me directly, this is amongst my favourite!!
Given that some of my taxes pay Child Benefit for non-British kids from Eastern Europe that have never set foot here, then building runways for our BOT cousins in the South Atlantic is an easy sell.
Lovely warm climate there. Very welcoming place too.
May 28th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And much closer to England.
I bet life is much easier there than on the Malvinas.
Argentina making British colonialism in the South Atlantic more costly.
May 28th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
Interesting I see nowhere in the article that says they are going to have flights to the Falklands…..it says only regular flight connections.
May 28th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.sainthelenaaccess.com/faqs/
Q. How much will it cost for a return ticket from St Helena to the Falklands?
A. Unless alternative transport is made available on a commercial basis between St Helena and Ascension, either by commercial shipping, or by commercial flights, then a return ticket to Ascension could costs up to £4,500.
Q. Will we be able to fly directly to Ascension and the Falkland Islands?
A. This will depend on demand and market interest in providing air services to these destinations. Wideawake Airfield on Ascension Island is operated and maintained by the US military, and the current bilateral agreement allows for up to two turnarounds a week by non-scheduled civilian aircraft. The airport will not be capable of supporting direct flights to the Falklands except by specialist long-range aircraft.
So how much would it cost the Saints on the Falklands for a return flight if it would be £4,500 to Ascension only???
This article is nonsense and looks as though it's purpose was to annoy someone…..who would that be?
Come to think of it, Galtieri could have been stuck on St Helena post-1982, but the Saints didn't deserve such a tin-pot murderer.
May 28th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with the airport is that the populations of St Helena and the Falklands are so small that flights simply aren't likely to be economic.
@11
May 28th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it says on the Korean memorial in Washington, “Freedom is not free”.
12- not sure where you are coming from?
May 28th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- Flights do transit through Asc from UK to Falklands and return - Non resident fare approx £22-- return UK-FI-UK. FI resident pays approx £1750 return.
Return FI -Ascension is approx half that - add on current RMS St Helena cabin and it is about £1500 return FI- St Helena- FI
2 Furure Options:
A if St Helena runway to short for widebodied jets then the Falkland-St Helena route would be:
FI-Asc as now, then take the feeder scheduled flight to St Helena(that goes on to S Africa). Cost likley to be similar to current-maybe a bit cheaper.
B - If runway extended then the current route UK-FI would simply route through St Helena and costs in line with current plus inflation by 2016.
The smaller airline will operate S.Afroca-St Helana-Asc still (maybe the St Helan-Asc leg will be less frequent as less demand)
C - the cost of the St Helan airport is based on:
Likley developemnt of a tourist industry in St Helena with the airlink.Private Commercial Investment in Hotels etc already starting large scale.
Better economic future for the Islands due to improved communications.
Overall longterm REDUCTION in the cost to the UK of financial support to St Helana - which inlcudes a mulitmillion subsidy on the RMS St Helena. This ship will no longer be required and a freighter only link will take it,s place. Tristan da Cunha is served mainly by S African vessels anyway.
11- So bad luck Islas M silly! The whole thing is actually going to SAVE the UK taxpayer money - and IMPROVE communications and trade in the South Atlantic British Overseas Territories= WIN-WIN.
@13think
May 28th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This article is nonsense and looks as though it's purpose was to annoy... ”
Think
There is a very real message here, “ your noisy posturing about restricting air travel has generated a response, we'll build our own airports”.
Just like the Cruise Ships, just like the Oil revenues and opportunities, just like the Fisheries, the Tourism, the commercial investment, how many times must you shoot yourselves in the foot to spite us ?
You only make things more difficult for your own people and your neighbours who are affected by your policies.
For the Brits, it hardens their resolve and inspires them to find a way that does not include you.
LOL, boludo!!
@ islander1
May 28th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure where I'm coming from?….. follow the provided link….http://www.sainthelenaaccess.com/faqs/.…straight from the horses mouth.
But apparently you are the expert and know better!
Don't quote me Air bridge link managed by the MOD, with only 20 seats available to Joe Public and flying from an RAF base.
Saint Helena are talking commercial airlines that have to be economically viable. so less of your daydream nonsense, the current flights are really for British forces not you! Get back into the real world where nothing is subsidised.
@ 16 Marina
I repeat the article is carefully worded nonsense it does not say there will be flights to the Falklands…..alludes….infers…..misleads…suckers!!
@7
May 28th, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I´d like to express once again the Argentine interest in dialog”
But not with the people born on the Falkland Islands. That's like refusing to speak to an Argentine because they were not born in Spain. Unfortunately for Argentina the UN resolutions state that the interests of the Falkland Islanders and not the interests of Argentina and the UK have to be taken into account.
”we might need to start to revide( revise?) the 1999 agreements (LAN Chile flights between Punta Arenas and Islas Malvinas).”
And therefore cut off Chile from £millions.
Trouble is, that money won't come to you, and what you cannot get into your head is that the Islanders survived for 150 years without much help from anyone (including the UK). But since 1982 that has changed. The cutting of the LANChile flight would not help the Islanders but it would hurt Chile bad.
The Islanders would then find someone else to fly to them as they have money to spend (unlike Argentina).
“Saint Helena - Puerto Argentino flights? Good news?”
If airlines fly from St Helena to Argentina this would confirm that Maximo 'who ate all the pies' Kirchener really has made a mess of Aerolinas Argentinas.
“Wonder how happy British tax payers are with all the money spent in Mount Pleasant, new airports, etc to satisfy 1500 VIP people´s wish to maintain hight living standards in the South Atlantic.”
Extremely happy that they are living a VIP lifestyle as opposed to starving and freezing in an economic disaster zone like Argentina, because a lot of the money the Islanders spend, comes to the UK to support our economy.
If the LAN Chile flight is cancelled, the £millions spent in Chile will be re-routed to the UK. More for us, less for Argentina (who would only lose it anyway).
Many people on this forum, recognise that in the UK's hour of need when Peron was sucking Hitler and Mussolini off, that the Falkland Islanders donated £10,000 to the UK,paid for ten spitfires, and paid £ms to FIC in UK.
17- indeed my understanding also was that the St Helena runway would be for midrange jets only, although the terminal area was to be solid enough to take weight etc of longhaul jets - but - very recently my Saint friends tell me that it has been announced that the extra 200mtrs or so will now be builtto allow FI flights, thats all I know - but there is some logic in it as it improves the communicatiuons between St Helena and the Islands for the benefit principally of St Helenians.
May 29th, 2013 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can assure you we civilians do NOT get much in the way of subsidized fares - we pay what the MOD reckons is the realistic cost(about the same as the commercial fare via Chile to London) - FI pays about £2 million a year in total in airfares to MOD. That is income they would not get if we did not fly with them - they would still have the garrisson the serve.
Yes 20 seats per flight- minimum - often up to 30-40 plus civilians per flight though as seats not needed by MOD are always released for civilian use.
RAF BrizeNorton is a very civilized terminal nowadays - nice cafe,comfy seats, bookshop, internet, etc etc.
OK naturally as its a commercial airline but operating on charter to what MOD says, not quite the same onboard to a full commercial service inflight, but perfectly acceptable and survivable and we all learn to “hurry up and wait” at times! All part of being British.
@17AvoiceofThinkedover
May 29th, 2013 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I repeat the article is carefully worded nonsense”
I repeat that the article is a carefully worded response to the not-so-veiled Argentine threats by the likes of Thinkedover@13 :
”we might need to start to revide( revise?) the 1999 agreements (LAN Chile flights between Punta Arenas and Islas Malvinas).”
and whatever that “…..alludes….infers…..misleads…”!!
The UK will not let you Argentinians drive the Falklanders from their rightful homes on the Islands.
The messages are very clear.
20- totally agree- they are barking up a very silly tree if they think refusing overflight airspace to Lan will do anything usefull for them!
May 29th, 2013 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would generally piss-off Chile and Lan( although the Chilean Govt would not say so in public).
It would prevent Arg NOK and Veterans being able to visit their cemetery war graves and battlefields.
It sure would put a 100% kybosh on any attempt to identify remains in the cemetery!
It would enable the Islands - and UK and our friends elsewhere to show to the world just what an unreliable, belligerent and threatening old fashioned colonial attitude Argenina is.
It would cause the Falklands to open up another civilian route elsewhere instead- which we can now afford to subsidize if required.
Yep - piss us off for a few weeks I agree, but pissoff a lot of Chileans and Argentines permanently!
@20 TT:
May 29th, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL - Well sussed out. (You forgot El Dansk Capitano though)
@22ED
May 29th, 2013 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes, El Kapitano.
Certainly there are no registered Akita breeders in the Okanagan Valley BC who are ex-Sea Kapitans.
6 Escoses Doido “Hope they too can have an oil industry”
May 29th, 2013 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope is better than the oil industry in Malvinas, lol
http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?code=cotn:RKH.L&display=chart&it=le
@24 Marcos
May 29th, 2013 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You won't be participating in the oil bonanza of the South Atlantic.
Oh, and you and ThinkedoverAvoiceKapitan will not be able to afford the higher hotel rates in the Falklands, anymore.
#23 Troy Tempest...Certainly there are no registered Akita breeders in the Okanagan Valley BC who are ex-Sea Kapitans....Once again people like yourself drift from the sublime to the rediculous...What you surley must mean is that you cannot “Find my Kennel in the Okanagan”...Please be my guest and check with the Canadian Kennel club...ie..“Kushiro Akitas”...My registered kennel name...Once again idiots just like yourself show yourselves for the smart assed fools you really are....Ohh and BTW...please explain how the hell any one would know that “ I am indeed a retired fishing master”...or as you post..ex “sea Kapitan”..Please get a grip and grow up,and by all means check with the Canadian Kennel club...ie...“Kushiro Akitas”.. This page BTW is NOT for you to try and show your silly friends how “smart” you think you are(Not)..it's supposed to be about the Falklands and news there of...I await your apology..!!
May 29th, 2013 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kapitano
May 29th, 2013 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did look it up when you signed on, did see Kushiro Akitas, but the proprietor name did not match the name of the ex Sea Kapitan of the MV ________??
This is really something that cannot be proven - there is no way to confirm that the Akita Breeder is El Capitano, and if he is, is he the ex- Master of the MV _______.
You are caustic enough that I am not the only one questioning your identity.
I think we'll have to leave it at that.
And he appears!!!!!
May 29th, 2013 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Think just can't resist taking the bait.
Hi Anglo!!
May 29th, 2013 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thinkedoversurfer doesn't put much effort into it these days. The 4th Reich is nearly dead.
And he appears!!!!!
May 29th, 2013 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Think just can't resist taking the bait.
@5, 19 If you take a look at the Wikipedia article on St Helena airport, you will see the reference to the modification to the airport design permitting a full 240 metre Runway End Safety Area in place of the original Engineered Material Arresting System. This is the modification toi which I referred @3. However, you will note that an extension to the runway is seen as something for later. I also indicated the type of aircraft that might then be possible. To give you a comparison the present planned length of the runway will be 1,550 metres. So an extension might take that to 1,750 metres. By comparison, the shorter of Heathrow's two runways is 3,660 metres. The long one is 3,901 metres. Generally speaking, in the Airbus range, nothing up to the A320 has the range to reach the Falklands from St Helena. The first that has the range is the A340. That comes in four versions with take-off distances ranging from 2,990 metres to 3,100 metres. Moreover, St Helena is being planned to take two aircraft. Just two. Now try comparing the dimensions of aircraft. An A319 is 33.84 metres long and has a wingspan of 34.10 metres. By comparison, an A340 is between 59.39 and 75.30 metres and has a wingspan of either 60.30 or 63.45 metres. It's twice the size! If one were able to land, the airport would be at capacity. And these things are not light. Depending on version, an A340 weighs between 125 and 179 tons empty. You don't just run it on to the grass! And you can double those weights if it's fully loaded to its maximum take-off weight. Take my word for it, flights to and from St Helena will have Africa at the other end. And don't bank on Ascension either. Remember that that's a military airfield. Not just anybody can land there.
May 29th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 027 Troy Tempest ...Ohh my such “paranoia”, try and move on...!
May 29th, 2013 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Kapitano
May 29th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”. This page BTW is NOT for you to try and show your silly friends how “smart” you think you are(Not)..it's supposed to be about the Falklands and news there of..!!”
No, this is Thinksurferdover's playground for showing how clever he is!!
Troy.
May 29th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He appears within 2 hours of being summoned and let's face it, is one of the more unconvincing sock puppets.
And he expects an apology. PMSL. Poor Think is clearly suffering malnutrition. He is really off his game lately. Once you remove nothing about England or Turnips out of his comments, you are left with a spelling or grammar corrections.
At least he made El Capitan feisty.
@32 The “thing” at 32 is a troll. We know about trolls. They live in caves. They cook “people”. Read “The Hobbit”. Trolls are evil. Fortunately, in the daylight they turn to stone. Is that an analogy? The light of truth turns trolls into gravel. So, confront trolls with a conundrum. Then, while they are thinking about it, take a sledgehammer and “crush the nuts”. Attention must be paid to food safety. All those products with warnings. Only trolls with crushed nuts allowed. Trolls without crushed nuts can present their nuts for crushing anytime. Of course there is an alternative. In an amazing turnaround, nutcrushers anonymous will be seeking out “latinos” and, as a public service, free nut-crushing.
May 29th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo and Conq.
May 29th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thx for the solidarity
'UN Decolonization Committee session in ECUADOR - Quito - The United Nations (UN) began today in Quito the analysis of the progress recorded on “decolonization of peoples”, seeking to exchange information so that this action strengthened.
May 29th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ecuador Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino, opened the meeting of the UN Decolonization warned that only “a tool anchored in international law” can understand the cases for which the world powers “fail to implant in a territory and subjugate the native population, ”said DPA.
Patiño cited the case of the Falklands, “unlawfully usurped land to the Republic Argentina”, a situation that, like others, have to study and discuss historical sense, to “not ignore the real reasons why certain powers, sometimes manage to maintain international status quo, more typical of other times.”
http://www.elcomercial.com.ar/index.php?option=com_telam&view=deauno&idnota=321700&Itemid=116
'Top 10 islands ideal for hiking - ...5. Carcass Island, Falkland Islands Carcass Island is an attractive choice for seclusion and relaxation in a natural environment. The island is one of the largest among the Falkland Islands, and its surface is covered by different landscapes. It is undeveloped except for some coastal buildings and facilities. So you can choose between numerous options for hiking: forest trails are best for bird watching and photography, while the coastal routes offers other attractions. Located in northern shores are mostly covered by rocks offering breathtaking views from their peaks. On the other hand, in the southern part can find many unspoiled beaches...'
http://www.elcomercial.com.ar/index.php?option=com_telam&view=deauno&idnota=321700&Itemid=116
'Anti-government strike, roadblocks begin prompting traffic chaos'
http://www.elcomercial.com.ar/index.php?option=com_telam&view=deauno&idnota=321700&Itemid=116
@37
May 29th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ecuador Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino, opened the meeting of the UN Decolonization warned that only “a tool anchored in international law” can understand the cases for which the world powers “fail to implant in a territory and subjugate the native population, ”said DPA.
Patiño cited the case of the Falklands, “unlawfully usurped land to the Republic Argentina”, a situation that, like others, have to study and discuss historical sense, to “not ignore the real reasons why certain powers, sometimes manage to maintain international status quo, more typical of other times.” ”
Can anybody understand through the double-speak, what Pinedo is saying??
@ islander1
May 29th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wake up and smell the coffee, no commercial airline is going to be providing a service for a few hundred Saints between St Helena and the Falklands…..presently, and you keep digressing and quoting a military service primarily for troop supply from the UK to Ascension and Falkland……NOT St Helena to Falkland and vice versa!
The article is just a bit of PR propaganda, the UK has been havering for years over the airport project and now suddenly with sovereignty issues on the boil it's suddenly all systems go…..think about it!
Conqueror was right, the only flights there are going to be commercially are between South Africa and St Helena….a clue was in the article…“ten years of operation by South-African airport operator Lanseria Airport”…….
But, hope springs eternal who knows in the future there may be a demand from Chile to fly to Africa via St Helena or even Argentina…..governments change, people change and the world just keeps on spinning.
What I do find amusing though is your attempt to appear quintessentially British whilst consistently using the American replacement Z for S and using the American idiom,“hurry up and wait”…..“and we all learn to “hurry up and wait” at times! All part of being British.”…..how very droll :-)
@33 Marina
Not sure why you think that everyone with a different opinion from yours must be Argentinian, hostility for an entire people based on their nationality or culture (just like religion, skin colour etc.) is not a subject for rational discussion.
@39Avoiceof Thinkedover
May 29th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Not sure why you think that everyone with a different opinion from yours must be Argentinian, hostility for an entire people based on their nationality or culture (just like religion, skin colour etc.) is not a subject for rational discussion.”
THINK
I have no hostility for a race, colour, or ethnicity of any PEOPLE or population, as I have stated countless times. They are individuals and are responsible for their own personal, individual actions.
I do hold hostility towards Argentina's government,its politicians, and its allies, who try to maliciously influence that population and foreign governments to hold sentiments and take actions against our government and our civilian population.
Whether it be representing Argentina or its government as a politician, or working as a malicious lying propagandist, against us, I have to assume that those repeating or inventing such statements linked to Argentine Government initiatives, are Argentinian or political supporters of Argentina.
What is particularly appalling is YOUR (Argentine Peronist Kirchnerites Administration's) indoctrination of Argentine youth ( a Government and La Campora mandate) to believe and embrace your ETHNIC hatred of the British and the fiction that the Falklands could in any way legally belong to Argentina.
Not all Argentines are Anti-British, that is obvious. I know Argentinians and other SA people, personally and we get along fine, thankyou.
On the other hand, The Argentine Government creates an atmosphere xenophobia, hatred and rascism against the Falklands, UK, and Brits in general to justify its illegal actions and deflect the good Argentine PEOPLE from the problems the government has created.
Very Orwellian - Brits are a good “enemy” to have!
Think, you and TTT and Marcos, and Dany and Sussie, never fail to expose your seething racism and hatred, for Brits and others who do not allow you to take what you want and bully smaller nations and peoples.
@40 Marina
May 29th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow......The lady doth protest too much, methinks!
6 Troy Tempest (#)
May 29th, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 29th, 2013 - 03:11 pm
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Anglo and Conq.
Thx for the solidarity.........ROFLMAO...@ Thx for the solidarity...Starting to sound more like some crazy assed Argie with every post...Yes sir lil boys trying to act like men and sooooo very brave behind their key boards.....“Solidarity” indeed...Could almost be fooled into thinking these boys are indeed some idiotic Argies.....Ohh well..got a laugh out of it. Dont have the brains of a clockwork turd between them..!!
St Helena
May 29th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New airport
The Falklands naval facilities , air force facilities and new army facilities
Accession isle upgrades to the airport and docking facilities,
And all thanks to Argentina and their tin pot dictators
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With friends like Argentina CFK
These islands can have anything they want,
Keep this up
And they will have their own airlines, and routes
Their own cruise routes, Tesco home deliveries,
Yep
And all because of a greedy incompetent failed state can’t keep their grubby little mites of other people land.
British – you know it makes sense..
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41,42Thinkedover
May 29th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think
Sorry,you doth protest too much, yourself.
Neither puppet is getting any traction.
@44 Marina
May 29th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry elaborate, I do believe that the only person between the two of us using the name of a puppet is you…..Sting…Ray Stingray da da da da da….yeah I remember that from when I was a kid. Go on tell me were you stumped on Hamlet?…..it doesn't do it justice to paraphrase you know. Old Will would turn in his grave.
@39 A_Voice
May 29th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'What I do find amusing though is your attempt to appear quintessentially British whilst consistently using the American replacement Z for S and using the American idiom,“hurry up and wait”…..“and we all learn to “hurry up and wait” at times! All part of being British.”…..how very droll :-)'
Using '-ize' instead of NOT American, it is used in 'Oxford spelling' for the Oxford English dictionary, although personally I prefer '-ise'. As for 'hurry up and wait', it may have its origins in Blondie's 'Sunday Girl', but it was then used as the name of a Stereophonics song and a novel by Isabel Ashdown. Reading the Penguin News, I'm more concerned about the use of 'meet with', instead of 'meet'.
I blame the fact that most TV channels in the Falklands are from the US, although at least they're subtitled in Spanish rather than dubbed. However, there is BBC Entertainment and BBC HD - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5cR0yyF40 and now BBC One, BBC Two and ITV, courtesy of the British Forces.
Bermuda and the Caribbean territories, on the other hand, are culturally and linguistically as British as baseball.
@ Britanico
May 29th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your correction, I have never had a choice to use “ize” over “ise” in English schools. I didn't need to look it up, we were not allowed, it would be considered poor English.
The same with “Hurry up and wait” I have never heard a British person use it in normal conversation…….but I think you will find it here….
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003.
But perhaps you are right, I never thought about the Falklands and US TV channels and I do use a lot of Americanisms myself…..who doesn't?……Hey give me a break, I thought it funny using an American idiom followed by “All part of being British”
And hahaha mentioning the Stereophonics…they're Welsh….need I say more?
Yes, and there's Welsh in Patagonia too, boyo, there's lovely!
May 29th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People in Liverpool and Northern Ireland say 'sked-yule', but I reject any American influence in English.... period!
There is such a thing as Falkland Islands English - their accent can be funny, sounds like a cross between West Country with 'oo arr' and closed vowels as in New Zealand, and they're not averse to borrowing from Rioplatense Spanish - 'che' as in 'Che Guevara' means 'mate' or 'pal'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21668477
Contrary to what the BBC article says, the St Helen accent sounds more South African than New Zealand, though there is the high rising terminal (or 'Australian questioning intonation').
See here -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21668477
Cute reporter - that furry mike is hilarious!
TWIMC
May 29th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A funny thread…….
A lot of Anglos jumping at each other, cutting each other throats and accusing each other of being Argentinean!!!
Let’s recapitulate……:
Mr. A_Voice……:
A fresh breath of air in here at MercoPress……
Caustic, direct, intelligent….. Quite ”English” indeed.
Sounds legit to me…………………….. Definitely not a Turnip.
Mr. Troy Tempest …..:
Not much to say about him….....… He is Canadian……
Sounds legit to me….. Definitely a minor Turnip on Argentinean related issues.
Mr. Islander1…..:
Not much to say about him either…… He is a Kelper.
100% legit………….......................….. Fighting for survival.
Mr. El Capitano…..:
Our own Captain Haddock from Grimsby, England blended with some Monty Python Canadian Lumberjack……
Sounds very legit to me……. Could learn some manners……..Definitely not a Turnip.
Mr. Anglolatino…….:
100% Platypussy……… 100% Narcissistic.
100% legit…………….. Definitely an Ozzie Turnip.
Regards to all of you…
El Think, Chubut, Argentina.
44 Troy Tempest (#)......Soooo still claim to be living in Coquitlam are we my wee man..?...lol...!
May 29th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comic genius...but thee genius ends there me hearty.
May 30th, 2013 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0sock puppets off the starboard bow!!
47,49,50thinkedover
May 30th, 2013 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where else would I live, but where I said?
Unlike you, I am not an Argentine Troll/puppet.
Like you, I have read Shakespeare and I also enjoy the plays.
Says a lot about you that you feel you need to be condescending towards others who have not.
However, I understand that you have a 'need' to prove ”(NOT)” that you are more clever than others.
How much of your life do you spend behind your keyboard spitting venom for CFK and constructing personas? (Rhetorical question only)
Didn't take Think long to come to the aide of his socks.
May 30th, 2013 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0They all sound the same.
They all nitpick.
Gawd awful boring. And all make the same mistakes when they first start posting on these fora.
@53anglotino
May 30th, 2013 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty funny having 3 or 4 “socks” going at me at once.
I'm just relieved that Thinkedover has declared me “legit”,
@49 thinkedoverAvoice
“Not much to say about him….....… He is Canadian……
Sounds legit to me…. ”
Whew! Not sure what that means really.
You did better than me, “100% legit”
but “A_voice” and “El Capitano” received outstanding approval !
Quite a cast of characters for Thinko's new panto entertainment.
El Kapitano is well researched, but A _voice isn't developed at all.
Both have elements of Doddering Dover - perhaps a “legit” facet of Think himself.
And it will be a great connection with MPA!
May 30th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Troy
May 30th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0It all started here:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/19/south-georgia-completes-first-phase-of-reindeer-eradication-1.900-animals
Supposedly El capitano had been watching Think for a while but never felt the desire to post.
The funny thing is that some “characters” or let's just call a spade a sock puppet; come here and have a full fledged history that they start sharing almost instantly.
For instance, in the six months I have been on here, I have never felt the need t0 share my job history or age with anyone to make a point. Nationality yes, but that took a while to come out. Does anyone know what sort of dog I have?
And believe me, considering today I was called narcissistic by Think and arrogant by Captain Poppy, I am never short an opinion.
I just don't see any need to present it wrapped up in a neat personal history package.
Which Think seems to have learnt with A_Voice.
@56 Anglotino
May 30th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see what you mean - Kapitano appeared rather neatly, fully formed. Is Think expecting us to nurture and embrace his 'cuckoo'? A great device for him to introduce ideas, generate conversation and of course, invent controversy within the Pro-Falkland camp.
I think that “A_Voice” was just a quick reinforcement that he added, without forethought, simply as an extra “voice” to gang up on the evil “turnips”, after his disasterous “Surfer” unmasking and Dame Dover unraveling.
Thinkedover is the true narcissist on here - all this invented chatter, just to feed his need for attention.
@49 52 53
May 30th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah hah! thank you “Think” for the clarification….a Canadian and an Australian, neither of them British but feeling the need to poke their noses into British affairs…..British wannabe's. I would like to thank them for their meaningless support in BRITISH affairs but I don't remember any Canadian or Australian troops, Navy or Aircraft supporting the British in the Falklands campaign. The British didn't need you then and they don't need you now……kindly refrain from misleading Argentineans into believing your views are shared by British people as a whole.
Both full of their own impotence Troy thinking if four people disagree with him it must only really be one and Anglotino got trounced by Captain Poppy for his arrogance, now sticking his nose into American affairs and arrogantly believing he has the right to stick his nose into Scottish affairs…..“As an Australian, I'm even eligible to vote in the upcoming Scottish referendum if I happen to be living in Scotland during September 2014.”
You have to be a resident of Scotland for 3 years prior to the vote, this isn't a question of nationality its one of residence, it doesn't matter where you are born, but where you reside.…..hah! Argentineans having lived there for three years have more right to vote than you!
Think sees through you Captain Poppy sees through you…….you really need to redeem yourself!
@ Britanico
You have there accents spot on, it's so strange, part of the sentence begins with standard English changing to South African ending with the questioning intonation. they seem to be very lighthearted people……
It is great news that the island will have an Airport and be more accessible but I hope 30,000 visitors per year doesn't spoil them and turn it into Bermuda.
Although I must say I would like to see where Napoleon lived.
53 Anglotino (#)....“ They all nitpick”...lol..
May 30th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My my..pot ,kettle,black etc etc..This from a constant loud mouth,who considers “Itself” to be some kind of interlectual smart ass if anyone dares to disagree with its ramblings.
57 Troy Tempest..Another immature quasi interlectual egg head whom for whatever reason thinks “It” can insult those who choose to disagree with impunity.The behaviour of both the above can be considered to be nothing less than a couple of “Teenager” wannabe cyber bullies out to impress anyone foolish enough to attach any kind of credibility to anything they have to say.As already stated these post's are supposed to be about the “Falkland Islands”..NOT some teenage conspiracy..ie previous Troy post...“Thx for the ”Solidarity”# 36..Move on...!
49,58thinkedover
May 30th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think
LOL!!!
Where have you assigned “A_Voice” as his ethnic/national origin, residence, etc., to make him eligible to “stick his nose into British affairs”??
Sorry, Think, once again you try to disqualify posters from commenting on MERCOPRESS, but it is an open forum.
Anyone is entitled to an opinion or argument on here, regardless of who they are. You don't reserve to right to use this as your personal playground.
Good try with the ole “righteous indignation” and derision gambit, though.
Mercopress editors DO reserve the right to restrict posts from those with a political agenda or those making racist, sexist, offensive statements.
A little Argentinean story……..
May 30th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plaza de Mayo. 25/05/2013; 4 years old Agustín Haraut wants to see Cristina in “real life”, not on the telly…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHsOyerlsRY
Plaza de Mayo, 29/05 2013, 4 years old Agustín Haraut sees Cristina in real life, not on the telly….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHsOyerlsRY
Ain’t this cuuuuuute?
:-)))
Think's subject changing posts are hardly new, but these latest one's seem different. Reeking of desperation.
May 30th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you okay Think? I'm worried about you.
@62
May 30th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a droll lot on here, when someone wants to take a brief respite from the battle of words to share a cute moment, it's “reeking of desperation” Would it have hurt to just agree? Cute is cute in any language even though I could understand little of what was said.
:-( :-(…….. :-)
(63) A_Voice
May 30th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the understanding..... English fairness at its best....
A big thank to Prince Michael of Kent too ;-)
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/29/reconocimiento-real-por-rutas-seguras
Propaganda is at its most sickening when it involves children. When's CFK visiting the DPRK again? http://monsoondiaries.com/2011/08/14/the-cult-of-personality-some-ridiculous-children/
May 30th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 Think: “A big thank to Prince Michael of Kent...”
May 30th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder if he did that on his wife's orders, as I would not be surprised if she had some family friends 'hiding' in Argentina.
Nice to see you're keeping your spirits up though, Think. Must be handy having your own support group.
@66screenname
May 30th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Must be handy having your own support group.”
They all arrived at the same time as well.
What a coincidence!
:-)
@67
May 30th, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh what technology are you on clockwork? Unless I uncheck the “Email me when new comments are posted”, the alert goes to my mobile and I see what comment has been made and can reply. No coincidence......what do you do sit in front of the PC all night watching for an opportunity to stick your tuppence worth in?.....Saddo
@68 puppetvoiceofthink
May 31st, 2013 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thinky,
Did your mobile go “ping” only 13 minutes after I posted @67 ?
's funny, MP only alerts me at 3 hr intervals.
You pounced pretty quick. Starved for some attention??
If I didn't know better, I'd say YOU are stalking ME!
:-)
Troy
May 31st, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is hard to not laugh. These are the most pathetic sock puppets yet. Obviously Think had to run them off the production line before he had fully road tested them.
So it seems A_Voice has been assigned a “British” nationality. Funny that. Both DoD and Surfer shared that one too. Seems to give them greater traction as a vested interest in Falkland matters. Think could hardly make them Islanders as they are much harder to high amongst 3,000 people.
They just react like new forum members or indeed any forum members. Running in packs appearing within minutes of each other on different threads.
And interacting.
What is even better they make such basic mistakes. A_Voice seems to not realise that Commonwealth citizens can vote in UK elections and if he really was British then he wouldn't be belittling the entwined Australian, Canadian and UK military histories. Having lived in the UK and voted in the UK, it will be interesting how Think twists A_Voice's nationality and residence now that he has clearly shown he knows nothing about the UK.
Oh, PS Think, Captain Poppy was wrong. So wrong he didn't rebut my answer to his claim. And I haven't seen you defending this Latin American brotherhood you espouse with your cringeworthy “shileno hermanos” against some of the vitriol and disgusting comments by Captain Poppy, Conqueror and Yankeeboy on that thread.
Too busy accusing me of narcissism while you run around chatting to yourself. Pathetic doesn't even cover the months you spent talking to yourself with DoD and you had to start again with these sockpuppets because no one takes you seriously anymore.
Look at all the name calling I get using one little login on this site. I'm arrogant, narcissistic and a smart arse according to you and Captain Poppy. LOL such a shower of compliments. You're just tired and boring.
But funny.... so don't stop please. Besting you inflates my ego even more. So thanks mate.
@43
Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“With friends like Argentina CFK
These islands can have anything they want,”
Spot on-if CFK wangles it to be re-elected, the Falkland Islands/South Atlantic chain of islands will win big time.
The biggest threat to he Falkland Islands is a friendly Argentine government that can offer them something they haven't got.
“The biggest threat to he Falkland Islands is a friendly Argentine government”
Jun 01st, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One particular way of wrong thinking.
For the true islanders:
It is better to accept the flights to Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Rio Gallegos.
Establish friendships.
To let go of fear.
The fear of know each.
#72
Jun 01st, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In an ideal world that would be true, however it all comes down to trust. If Argentina gave up it's spurious claim to the Falklands then the inhabitants MAY look on them more favourably.
In time, closer relations could be established. With the diatribe coming from the Argentinian government this looks highly unlikely. I am sure the Falklanders remember the old adage--
“beware of Greeks bearing gifts.”
@72
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“For the true islanders
”It is better to accept the flights to Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Rio Gallegos.“
”Establish friendships”
Argentina's notion of friendship (including to its own allies)=treat em like scum.
Ok “true islanders”, does the prospect of flights on board a badly mismanaged airline convince you the Argentines are friendly?
Will flights to Argentina persuade you to cede self government and your freedom in return for being run as a colony of Argentina by a country that can't run itself properly.
What other ideas have you got Malvinense, that would have the islanders begging to be Argentine, other than the belligerent threats offered at the moment?
Incidentally on the issue of the flights, the FIG actually wrote to the Argentine Government for clarification, but the government ignored the letter.
Its difficult to accept these flights if the Argentines refuse dialogue.
So much for staying on topic. I'm curious as to whether it has ever been proposed to build an airstrip on Tristan De Cunha as well. Not sure if it's feasible, I've Google -Earthed it trying to figure out if there was enough level terrain to build a runway that could accept at least medium sized jets. Not sure if a St Helena-TDC-FI route was possible or not,,,,,,
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