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Falklands fines Korea and Taiwan companies for straddling in Argentine waters
Falkland Islands Government Director of Natural Resources John Barton said that he is confident that there won’t be any repetition in the future of recent offences by companies licensed to fish in Falklands waters. Read full article
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May 31st, 2013 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Europe, a law is being enforced, that protects the waters from overfishing.
That is something to discuss, or the presence of foreign vessels will be ever increasing and our waters steadily poorer with life.
If the Argentinians would talk with the Falklanders then this type of activity could be more closely policed.
May 31st, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0IF Argentina had not thrown out the baby toy in a Kirshener tantrum - but had continued with Fisheries Conservation talks with the Islanders - by now we probably would have an Agreement with good conservation control over the whole area - AND the forfeited Argentine squid would have been sold and the money pain to Argentina as it was their fish!
May 31st, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Serves silly Argentina right that the Islands now keep that money instead!
Just look at that. The Falkland Islands judicial system prosecuting a fishing company for illegally fishing in argie waters. I'd call that a responsible action by a government that doesn't exist. How curious that the argie “government” didn't notice these offences. Could it be that more argie boats have turned upside down? Maybe “fisheries protection” vessels have sailed and turned into submarines.
May 31st, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4
May 31st, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is we have a nation that threatens to sink our ships in our own waters (since it's a country that believes in killing others “preemptively” ), obviously a nation without any morals, without any regard for the rule of law, the UN charter, and human rights (the UK).
So when you have such an insane nation with vessels around, human life is a little more important than some squid. A country capable of trying to invade another in the 21st century for NO reason (the UK), and kill thousands of the citizens of said country, is not a country we have any desire to negotiate with.
What a lovely story, thieves steal from thieves.
May 31st, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 trolley dolly, replace (ARG) with (UK) then your post makes better sense.....
May 31st, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7
May 31st, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple question:
Was what I said WRONG?
Yes or no. Simple.
Remember, if you say “no”, then you are saying the UK has not preemptively attacked and invaded another country in this century.
TTT, are you trying to speak for Argentina again? Who is the 'we' that doesn't want to negotiate? I've told you before, no one knows who you are in Argentina.
May 31st, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who are you to tell me who I am?
May 31st, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you see the unbridled arrogance and hubris every time you address me?
@8 we've not preempitvely attacked or invaded any country in the south atlantic this century nor the last century... compared to others !
May 31st, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good story, justice has been done!
May 31st, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
May 31st, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh man, what tosh, no desire to negotiate. You have been begging for it at every international forum you can find. Trouble is, you he no idea about the right way to go about it. Point in case, sending a senior politicing to the oppositions capital who spends most of his time there insulting them. Now call me daft, okay I am daft, but to me, that does not seem to be the right way of going about!
@11
May 31st, 2013 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations, British “reasoning” is just like this girl who came from school scoring 50% of 100% on two tests, and tells her friend that she got 100% in school today (by adding the results of both tests).
The only thing left to say is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMu1JHulUUE
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈！
14@ loser
May 31st, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British reasoning? Well as far as I m concerned, any reasoning about the future of the isnds came to a dead stop on the 2nd od April, 1982.
May 31st, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Problem solved 14th June the same year, move on.
And all negotiations with the UK ended in November 1845 when the UNITED KINGDOM and FRANCE BLOCKADED and THEN INVADED OUR TERRITORY for no reason whatsoever, and killed 250 Argentines.
May 31st, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever since then there is no more negotiations with your despicable nation.
But in war, win or lose, Argentina has been the 3rd country with has destroyed the most British ships, only after Germany and Japan in the last 150 years.
@TroLLey_to_Truth Sorry am I missing something was it not ARGENTINA that slaughtered it's own people over recent decades most famously the ONE WAY pleasure flights.
May 31st, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_blockade_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata#Battle_of_Vuelta_de_Obligado
May 31st, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain and France invade another country, careless about human rights, and then chickenly surrender when the natives fight back.
FIG protecting Argentina's fishing stocks and waters.
May 31st, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 2013!
Job well done lads.
@20
May 31st, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHO THE ___ ARE YOU KIDDING?
@17
May 31st, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice, pray tell, how many aircraft and pilots did you lose doing that? Did you retain the object of your military invasion? Do you now have another province the world knows as the Malvinas?
No you do not, stop bitching, you took on the Brits at their own game, a game they were well experienced at and surprise, surprise, you lost.
@22
May 31st, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lost plenty of ships in 1845 when YOU invaded US.
See, that is why we hate you, you are so outraged by our invasion of your territory but completely dismiss what you did to us, and killed innocent Argentines that did nothing to you, just for some stupid trade dispute.
No morals.
Oh dear, TTT is having another hissy fit.
May 31st, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only hissy fit is Elaine's from reading the truth. Or Menopause.
May 31st, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh he has a reasonable right of redress, we should find the people responsible for 1845 and send them the Hague. Only problem is, I am fairly confident that we may not find any of them all still alive, call me pessimistic, but I am fairly sure it wil be hard to find them!
May 31st, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TroLLey_to_Truth Does ranting and raving come natural to Argentines or you just picking up bad habits from the botox queen
May 31st, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have Blair and others running around from “2003”. Are they dead too?
May 31st, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT, you seriously need to get out and have some fun. Go and make some friends. Live a little.
May 31st, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Blair a true states man and oh what a great talker can you imagine Blair in a debate with kirchner he would wipe the floor with her.
May 31st, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical British MO. When the war crime happened 150 years ago, “oh well they are dead nothing you can do”.
May 31st, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the war crime happened 10 years ago and the perpetrators are very much alive and mentally lucid “oh they are true statesmen”.
I'm sure once Blair is dead, the British will change their tune to “oh he was a war criminal for authorizing a war of aggression, but he is dead now nothing we can do”.
The paucity of mores and plethora of excuses is stupefying.
Be like a pike looking at a stickleback.
May 31st, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very short and to the point.
@TroLLey_to_Truth Call Blair what you want he was a canny politician
May 31st, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be proud defending a war murderer.
May 31st, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT
May 31st, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay, we will send ours of to the Hague.
When you, that gave shelter to the architects of the final solution, round up every single one of them, their sons, their grandsons, their a great grandsons and ship them to Israel for trial, for their crimes.
When you have done that, come back on here and lecture the rest of the world about war criminals.
Seems only fair, or did you forget, Argentina is not only world famous for footballers! Or perhaps I should have said, infamous.
@ TroLLey_to_Truth If your Argentinian you should be use to it you live amongst thousands of war criminals Nazis people who push others out of planes even your clergy are suspicious including the new Italian Pope you can't be selective on your history dear Trolley you should be out the looking for THE DISSAPEARED
May 31st, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh so great-great grandchildren are allowed to bear the guilt of their great-great grandparents?
May 31st, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GREAT! Get the Zyklon B and flood Europe with it.
Why not, your going on about 1845 and all the other so called war crimes committed by the Brits.
May 31st, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Zyclon B quip!
I said nothing about war crimes except that you people are selective aobut it, ingoring your own and blaming others for theirs.
May 31st, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 01845 is the reason we will always be unfriendly. You ask why do other South American countries like Chile, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, etc have good relations with the UK yet us “argies” don't...
THERE IS YOUR REASON! You attacked us first! You never tried to invade them.
5 TroLLey_to_Truth @4
May 31st, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is we have a nation that threatens to sink our ships in our own waters (since it's a country that believes in killing others “preemptively” ), obviously a nation without any morals, without any regard for the rule of law, the UN charter, and human rights (the UK).
So when you have such an insane nation with vessels around, human life is a little more important than some squid. A country capable of trying to invade another in the 21st century for NO reason (the UK), and kill thousands of the citizens of said country, is not a country we have any desire to negotiate with......................What has this lunatic been smoking?..Post's like this are indeed laughable,and surely cant be serious...!!
@40
May 31st, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No smoking... you have only taken a ride on the TroLLey_to_Truth.
Enjoy the ride my benighted saxon.
TTT is a very frustrated young man fighting a one man war against himself.
May 31st, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does beat frustrated and old.
May 31st, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
TTT is bitter and twisted just like his momma
May 31st, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you mean you said nothing about war crimes? I refer you to the first sentence of your post at 31. Just what do think solicited my reply.
May 31st, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hypocrisy is a word often used on here, but in all honesty, a national of a country, renown throughout the civised world, for giving sanctuary to the perpetrators of the greatest genocide in recorded human history, lecturing others on war crimes, is really beyond comprehension.
Funny the world says the same thing about nationals of a country who imposed a (brief) but ruthless empire on vast tracks of underdeveloped nations in Africa and Asia, caused countless wars, and was preponderant in the largest slavery/genocide in human history (African slave trade), and just 10 years ago completely ignored the UN charter and went to war based on a lie.
May 31st, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's really quite comprehensible. No morals.
@45 He makes no sense as usual, he just needs to work his anger out of his system.
May 31st, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5
May 31st, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You got out of the wrong side of the bed today sonny.
However, we can both agree on one aspect of your tirade, the UK has NO DESIRE to negotiate anything with Argentina.
Argentina has NO DESIRE to negotiate with the UK --ONLY DEMAND.
Please write to your President and make her aware of your feelings - I am sure she will concur.
@46
May 31st, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Explain please.
Why you gave sanctuary to criminals who, orchestrated, organised and perpetrated an industrial murder machine on a scale never before seen in human kind?
Also explain, why having done so, you feel qualified criticise others.
Answer those questions, then we might address your allegations!
I see Nostro can't keep his new mask on.
May 31st, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unhinged...
Ah, he is such a prat, he comes from a country renown for giving sanctuary to history's worst murderers and he lectures us about our so called crimes.
May 31st, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are they born with their heads up their arses?
Must be, it's the only logical explanation.
Not to worry, once they build and launch that satellite (the joint project with Brazil) they will be able to keep and eye on those fishing boats.
May 31st, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 TTT
May 31st, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ever since then there is no more negotiations with your despicable nation. ”
In error yet again! In 1850 Argentina signed a Treaty with the UK which stated, inter alia, “for the Settlement of existing Differences”. Up to that time the RG's had been bleating every year at the opening of their Congress about the Falklands, but after 1850 this complaint was dropped. In fact at least 2 Presidents and 1 Vice President said at the openings of the Congress that they had no disputes with anyone!!!! ooops.
The treaty can be viewed here:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement
Condorito
May 31st, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Build a sattelite, don't make me laugh, do what they did last time, pay to use it!
Money up front of course.
Shit they can not even repair an ice breaker, how the hell are they going to build a satellite, even if they did! How they going to get it in to space? Probably shoot it out of El Thinks ass!
Dispicable? What do you call a country that gives sanctuary to the recorded histories worst murderers? Oh yeah! Argentina.
....Build a sattelight...???Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...lmao...They cant even build an operational wheelbarrow....!!
May 31st, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh come off it, one thing at a time, a decade nd a half to repair a ship, three years to putan object in space!
May 31st, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 053 Biguggy Good to read your reply based on facts ! I wonder why TTT has not replied ? Even bullies , I refer to his comments directed at ElaineB , maintain silence when faced with true facts !
Jun 01st, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway back to the fact the FIG can actively protect, monitor and police its own waters and even those of a neighbouring country.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a nice neighbour.
I would have though that Argentina shoud be fining these vessels for fishing in their waters illegally. But FIG does it instead.
And then confiscates the catch. So FIG makes money out of boats going into Argentine waters and then gets to keep the catch from those waters.
I would expect the Argentine government to request their share of this Argentine resource.
But definitely no budget deficits for FIG!
@57
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because I have a life. Something none of you here could describe even if it fell on your faces.
Oh, and well, at least Argentina still builds something. UK builds nothing the world even knows about. You left the cars to the Germans, the furniture to the Italians, the airplanes to the French, the software to the Irish, and the real estate to the Spanish.
The only thing the UK now builds are false dossiers to concoct preemptive wards and fake financial documents to fuel banking bubbles.
Felicitations.
Keep feeding the troll!
Jun 01st, 2013 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Eat up troll.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Because I have a life”
Really?
“Argentina still builds something. UK builds nothing the world even knows about. ”
Yes-the world has forgotten about jet engines (where do Argentina built jet engines)? That is jet engines that compete with the world, the ones you say UK does not build.
Argentina would have difficulty making a steam engine let alone a jet engine.
Nuclear subs (which ones are Argentina building?).
Aircraft carriers, (big one's-Argentina building any?)
Fighter aircraft, (not fairy play toy aircraft models like the 'Pampers').
We still build a lot of cars.
What actually do Argentina build apart from cars? Does CFK have plastic surgery in Argentina?-
Have you re- built her face?
What the hell is Nostrils studying at university?
Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0He has actually gotten dumber in the past few months. University usually has the opposite effect.
@63 Ah, that old myth that the UK does not manufacture anything. I wonder what the 3m employed in manufacturing in the UK do all day? The aerospace and pharmaceutical are doing just fine and, yes, we still manufacture cars.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know where TTT gets his information but I suspect he is an avid reader of the Daily Mail.
TTT has probably realised his languages are a waste of time in his isolationist dream. I suspect his claim that he is a university is just another myth, he has told us he is self-taught and had to leave school early.
I often read the comments sections on MP, I usually find a lot of very well informed people stating solid fact based comments, level headed and astute reasoning and generally very good debates. One thing that continually amazes me is how many of you continue to reply to TTT & his looney pals, surely all they deserve is to be completely ignored.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jeffski, you belittle Nostrils entertainment value.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We give him worth as it is plain to see that he cannot gain worth from any other source.
Back when Nostrils was a more rational and indeed more coherent, I offered friendship and as you can see he has degenerated considerably in the past few months. Now he just deserves pity and ridicule.
He won't change either. Never have I seen such a case of cutting one's nose off to spite one's face as I have with him.
Nostril
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, you complain about “British colonialism”. Nobody in Britain lives on land stolen from anyone...YOU STILL DO!! YOU ARE THE GENOCIDAL COLONIALIST.
You talk of genocide...why is south America virtually empty of Amerindians..BECAUSE YOU MASSACRED THEM ALL!!
So, on both fronts, you are far more guilty than those you are ranting at.
You talk of 1845...but not of 1982 where many more died and in living memory. When you have tried all those responsible for supporting an illegal war in 1982...darn nigh 40 million of them..then we will try and find someone to try for 1845.
Iraq...I don't agree with you reference the legality of the war, but it's not for this thread, as it's been done to death.
But hypocrisy is extraordinary. You live in a former Spanish colony borne out of genocide and you call those living in a ancient sovereign state colonialists...!
LOL..
There are no indian people in South America?
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are friekk ng insane.
Back to the padded room.
Question for you Euro-trash:
1. From which continent where diseases like plague, smallpox, measles, and polio spread to other continents?
2. From which continent where despicable murderous empires like the Spanish, French, Portuguese, British, Dutch, etc gestated?
3. From which continent was the world's greatest slave trade perpetrated?
4. From which continent was not ONE, but TWO wars kicked off that eventually engulfed almost the whole world and killed hundreds of millions?
Go die, euros. The shit of the earth.
@67 There, there. Now go out and play. I am sure you could find a friend if you really try hard.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 Ask your mummy to install a window in your gloomy dank basement - I think the lack of Vitamin D has finally driven you batshit loony wack-job crazy (to use the scientific medical term).
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0P.S If there's one plague that originated in Europe that still unfortunately persists to this day it's you and all the dribbling rabid Peronists like you.
@67
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) I think you will find that the plague originated in China, and the CURE for Smallpox (and global eradication) can from the UK.
2) The Empires did indeed originate from Europe. however the majority and by far largest number of colonialists today live in Latin America.
3) Slave trade, predominantly between Africa and the Americas (see point 2), and the end of the slave trade down to brave folks like William Wilberforce.
4) WW1 originated in Europe, but WW2 certainly started in Asia.
Perhaps you should study history a bit harder Nostril, then you wouldn't make such a tit of yourself.
Nostrils forgot one:
Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From which continent did his parents migrate from?
Self loathing isn't good for the soul.
@71
Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, somehow Nostril thinks that the Europeans currently in Europe are responsible for the genocide in the Americas and the slave trade.
He doesn't realise it was the Europeans in the Americas who were responsible (I.e. his ancestors). They may call themselves Argentines, Brazillians, Americans, etc but they are predominantly European colonialists.
The problem with Nostril is now he has run out of trolling he is just making shit up....
Apparently, according to him...Britain doesn't manufacture anything, and Argentina is a hotbed of industry. Interestingly however, official figures make Britains manufacturing base worth over $200billion a year and Argentinas about $80billion.
The only metric where Argentina would win is manufacturing as a % of GDP. Which means Britains manufacturing is more than double the size of Argentinas, but is not nearly so critical to its economy...oh dear.
Nostril seems to be in denial about his colonial past.
Nostril is clueless about history, the black death, smallpox, WWII...take you pick.
Poor Nostril...very poor trolling
@53 tips:
Jun 01st, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Convention for RE-ESTABLISHING the perfect Relations of Friendship between Her Britannic Majesty and the Argentine Confederation”
BEFORE 1850. Status quo. It means that there were good relations and friendship even with the Malvinas problem.
“The Government of Her Britannic Majesty, animated by the desire of putting an end to the DIFFERENCES WHICH HAVE INTERRUPTED THE POLITICAL AND COMMERCIAL RELATIONS BETWEEN THE 2 COUNTRIES, HAVING on the 15th of July, 1847”.
The introduction and the ratification document of the Convention speak of “putting an end to the existing differences”.
P&P
Skillfully and clearly out of context.
Article VII: “is RESTORED to its former state of good understanding and cordiality”
Status Quo boys.
“VI. In virtue of the Argentine Government having declared that it would celebrate this Convention on condition that its ally, his Excellency the President of the Oriental Republic of Uruguay, Brigadier Don Manuel Oribe, should previously agree to it,— this being for the Argentine Government an indispensable condition in any arrangement of the existing differences,— it proceeded to solicit the assent of its said ally, and having obtained it, the present Convention is hereby agreed upon and concluded.”
And the most important. Uruguay is not involved in the Malvinas conflict. So the President of Uruguay, it should not consent to the transfer of the islands to the UK.
It exists only in the fevered mind of P & P.
@73
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The actual wording of the “Convention of Settlement” is available here and any readers who are sufficiently interested can read it themselves and make up their own minds:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement
That being said, just suppose your ridiculous allegations are taken as fact how do you explain the fact that prior to the signing of the Convention the RG's had a whine about the Falklands every year at the opening of their Congress but after 1850 it was not mentioned for I believe about 90 years? In fact on at least 3 occasions in his address at the opening of the Congress 2 Presidents and one Vice President, all at different openings, stated that they had no ongoing disputes with anyone!
Malvinense 1833
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's 2013.
Move on from 1833, 1847 and any other date pre-2013.
No one is going to hand over the Falklands because of something that happened in 1833 or 1847 or 1885 or 1945 or 1975 or 1982.
You failed to get them in the past. And the only mechanism that could get you them in the future is one you will not attempt.
You lost. Move on.
Anglotino.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody loses until the game ends. And the game did not end.
@74 ...but after 1850 it was not mentioned for I believe about 90 years?
was not mentioned!!!
A single example of the lies of P & P.
Argentina suggested in 1885 to take the case to arbitration.
The proposal was rejected by Sir Edmund Monson. 90 years? Come on, man.
@76 If you have children are you going to pass on your pathetic futile obsession to them too? It's no wonder your country is falling to pieces when successive generations are raised to be part of a cycle of stupidity with this ridiculous and baseless sense of entitlement.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Definitive proof English language music is 98% crap (because the only reason 98% of English language groups have “success” is based on the language and not the music”):
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G41_0R-WpAc
And this is a group in Argentina that is the butt of jokes because how bad their music is, but this song from the lat 90s is 1000 better than One direction or any other anglo crap.
@76
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was not mentioned at the opening of the Argentine Congress for 90 years, I should have perhaps, been a little more specific.
Sir Edmund Monson rejected the suggestion because in his view the case was settled in 1850.
I note you, like Argentinean trolls on other sites, have conveniently omitted to explain why it was not mentioned at the opening of Congress for approximately 90 years and, more importantly why 2 Presidents and one Vice President, at the opening of Congress, have stated, words to the effect that there are 'no outstanding disputes'.
Come on man let's have your answer to that one?
I believe the real point here is that Argentina's navy and coastguard can no longer protect Argentina's fishing grounds.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately for Argentina, the Falkland Islands Government, has graciously decided to protect those waters for them.
How embarrassing for Argentina, to be beholden to a people that 'do not exist'.
But in compensation, the Falkland Islands, get all the money from sale of the impounded goods.
Argentina, the loser once again. You must all be getting used to it by now.
@79
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peron made it up so that stupid people like Malvinese, Jose Malvinero, axel and Raul would concentrate their “anger” on an imaginary enemy rather than the government that was f*cking them up the arse without even the courtesy of a reach around.
They fell for it...I mean I ask you?
1) “inheritance from Spain” ...LOL
2) “Jewitt” LOL LOL
3) Vernet and Brisbane LOL LOL LOL
4) Mestevier and Pinedo PMSL
It has to be the weakest sovereignty claim ever, anywhere. There are probably a hundred stronger cases just in the Americas for border changes and historical rights.
The only time it really mattered in the past 60 year was in 1982 when the Republic of Argentina invaded the islands and cost 1000 lives. This is when “the Game” as Malvinese calls it was finally over. Britain would/will never cede sovereignty over the heads of the islanders after that, and would use EVERY power at its disposal to stop Argentine agression.
So, the sovereignty “game” is over. The current “game” is to highlight the ridiculousness of the Malvinista cause.
If the Falklands come of the C24 list, if Ban Ki Moons very clear position that the 1960s resolutions are no longer relevant, if we can get the Socialist US administration of the fence...perhaps a growing number of Argentines might realise that pain in their arse is actually a large unlubricated Kirchnerite phallus and nothing to do with a made up claim to an island group that was never, and will never be theirs.
Of course the truly brain dead like Raul, Malvinese and Jose, could never see it. But who cares...! Their pathetic arguments on these boards are quite funny.
@80
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How interesting that the brits immediately use this story to make these sort of comments.
It makes it all the more obvious the Falklands and the ships that fish in their waters under contract are in COLLUSION to enter Argentine waters, catch OUR fish, and then play “let's pretend” we are mad at you “bad boy, here is a fine” (under the table we take it back).
We keep the fish, you get paid under the table. Age old British cultural tactic.
And like I said, Britain trying to grab Argentine territorial waters.
HOW MANY TIMES DID I SAY THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ? And that it was the reason we refuse to sign any agreements with you?
Here we go. UK colonialism and expansionism against Argentina have resumed. Be glad we are not surprised since you have attacked us 3 times in since 1806, and done many things to expand into our territory.
@80
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”It makes it all the more obvious the Falklands and the ships that fish in their waters under contract are in COLLUSION to enter Argentine waters, catch OUR fish, and then play “let's pretend” we are mad at you “bad boy, here is a fine” (under the table we take it back).”
If Nestor hadn't quit the agreements, Argentina would have got the fine money.
We're not interested in your territory-you've done such a successful job ruining it, no one in their right mind would wish to invade.
We're just here to make sure you don't add the Falklands to your list of wastelands by ruining that as well.
@83
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one in their right minds would saying any piece of paper with British people.
the UK has always been trying to annex Argentina, and always will. You tried when the Spanish had “problems” with France, you tried when Argentina was fledgling, you tried then via economic means by buying vass tracks of it, now you are trying through corruption and political games.
Just like the Falklands and their ships. Stealing our fish. That's all that needs to be said.
@84 TTT You are getting more paranoid and erratic every day. What is wrong with you that fills you with such anger? The British dismantled The Empire 60+ years ago so you can rest assured Argentina is not under any threat from the British. You have far more to fear from your own government. Real and valid fear.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you thought of taking up running? I run about 10k each day. You should try it, it would really distract you from your fog of misery and imagined foes.
@84 Why on Earth would we want to saddle ourselves with ruling millions of indoctrinated morons who only know how to demand another hand-out or whine about how imperialistic capitalism is to blame for their laziness and incompetence? No one wants Argentina - pretty much the whole world just simply wishes you'd stfu and stop causing so much trouble for everyone else.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The more you say I'm paranoid the more I'm probably at the core of the truth, making you uncomfortable.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British invaded Iraq for no reason (and got whooped by the restless natives). Why should your reputation not be used to assess how bad of a nation you are? Don't you do that with us 'argies'?
This is what I still fail to understand about you brittos. Your utter lack of admission when confronted with someone who makes a valid point.
You judge us based on 40 years ago and the junta, 30 years ago and the war... but we are not allowed to do the same based on your Empire?
60 years is no time compared to 300, and besides it's not like since 1950 you have been wonderful world citizens. You have just tried to do it surrepticiously.
@87 Quite frankly you should be praying for us to conquer Argentina ;) Clearly you're incapable of running things yourselves.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't rejoinder my reply huh?
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny no one is praying for that. I doubt anyone wants to be part of a nation whose main members are in a secession fight. Can't be that succesful of a place.
@88 Argentina was, about 100 years ago, one of the wealthiest countries on the planet. The British were very successful there and contributed enormously to the economy and development of the country. Then Juan Peron decided he wanted to introduce a Mussolini brand of fascism to the country and started the terminal decline of the society there.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87 I am genuinely worried about you. Your mental deterioration is the only thing making me uncomfortable.
Do you realize how predictably 4th grade level your “retorts” are?
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every time when challenged with a cortically stimulating point, you fail to rise to the occasion.
@89 Come on, you know deep down it wasn't worth a rejoinder. Just like how I don't bothering engaging in witty repartee with the mad dribbling bloke on the train who screeches about the apocalypse.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians are destroying Argentina. It's a mix of corruption, apathy and stupidity all coated in a crispy superiority complex. You should focus your Cujo-rabies-rage on your own people and government rather than these strange phantoms of the “evil Anglos” that you've conjured up from the recesses of your addled mind.
TroLLey_to_Truth ----- Who cares what a few head cases like you are saying about we British. We see it as a duty to make every life in Argentina as miserable as it can get. Yours is a Muppet Country that cant even look after itself and as such we have very little respect for you. We see your country as a weak country with weak and stupid leaders with equally stupid and weak persons who vote the weak and corrupt stupid leaders into office at every opportune moment.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is why you could not even hold onto a few pieces of rocks when you tried to steal those rocks even though you had the men and equipment to do it.
There is no comparison to the Falkland islands and Argentina. One is a country steeped in shit and squalor the other is a a few rocks in the South Atlantic that screams look at us and marvel at how well we are doing and how rich we are.
Argentina TroLLey_to_Truth shit, has never been able to hold a candle to we British we are far more superior, far more arrogant, and far more warlike with proper warriors who know what we are doing be it going to war or just taking the piss out of people like you which we seem to do quite often be it in a far more subtle form or head on.
Now go boil your head in a vat of oil, no one gives a shit what you are saying or doing after all your only an Argentine and they don't matter in the world as is pointed out to you quite often when ever your daft political leaders go to the UN and whine.
1)-Discovery. LOL
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 02)-Occupation. LOL LOL
3)-Davies LOL LOL LOL
4)-Strong LOL LOL LOL LOL
5)-Byron LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
6)-A plaque lying on the floor. SUPER LOL
Where is the British right?
Come on man let's have your answer to that one?
#94
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because we are there. What's your excuse ?
Inheritance from Spain
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
@94
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British “right” stems from the FACT they returned to UNINHABITTED islands in 1833, and the current inhabitants can trace their ancestory back until then.
There are no Argentines that have EVER been born on the islands.
The only Spaniards ever born on the islands left willingly in 1811, and returned to Spain via Uruguay.
The slants have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Argentina and never have.
It has a French history, a Spanish history and a British history...but NO ARGENTINE history.
Oops save 50 militia in November 1832-1833 who were warned of Britains claim before they set sail, forced the British leader of the civilian population to follow their rule, raped a woman in front of her children and murdered their captain. The 50 militia were removed two month after they arrived, and the civilians remained under their previous British leader...who was later murdered.
So, the British have hundreds of years starting in 1690, hundreds of births, deaths, marriages, thousands of civilians.
Argentina have 60 days of murderous rapists in 1832, and 60 days of illegal human shield using, fake surrender flags, UN resolution defying, 1000 death causing occupation in 1982.
That's it twat...looks pretty clear to me.
But there have been argentines born in Antarctica. In fact ONLY argentines have been born in Antarctica.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good bye “british antarctic territory” (doesn't exist anyway).
@98 Tobias
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean Queen Elizabeth Land and it very much exists, and it very much belongs to the UK as we claimed it 1st. Yup more than 40 years before nazi land Argentina did.
Of course we're not worried about Argentina's erroneous claims on Queen Elizabeth Land, and more than we are worried about Argentina's erroneous claims on the Falkland Islands. They're just 'make believe' and will vanish along with Argentina.
Oh, and flying someone out to a place for them to give birth doesn't transfer sovereignty of that place to the nationality of the pregnant woman.
She didn't live there prior to the birth, she certainly didn't conceive there. She didn't live there after the birth of her child (by the way was she paid to have her child out in the antarctic wastes with little or no access to medical help should things have gone wrong?), and doesn't live there today with her child. No house with a white picket fence in Queen Elizabeth Land at all.
Face it Tobias, Argentina is the architect of its own destruction. Britain doesn't have to lift a finger, you destroy yourselves. Its quite amusing.
Let's recap:
1. You can't supply your antarctic base and have to rely on the charity of others. Lame. You always said that Argentina didn't need anyone, well all evidence to the contrary there.
2. Your naval vessels sink in port due to lack of maintenance, brought about by incompetence and a huge amount of corruption.
3. Your ice breaker is rusting in dry dock brought about by incompetence and a huge amount of corruption.
4. Your illegal seizure of YPF has meant that Argentina has to import even more LNG than ever, due to incompetence and a huge amount of corruption.
5. Can't police your own fishing grounds due to incompetence and a huge amount of corruption.
I could go on all night, but I think we all get the point.
Do you see a pattern forming here, Tobias? Incompetent AND Corrupt. Describes Argentina quite nicely.
No wonder you are so angry. Impotent people often are.
@98
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But there have been argentines born in Antarctica. In fact ONLY argentines have been born in Antarctica.”
They didn't stay and besides suck this;
@99
Face it Tobias, Argentina is the architect of its own destruction. Britain doesn't have to lift a finger, you destroy yourselves. Its quite amusing.
Let's recap:
“1. You can't supply your Antarctic base and have to rely on the charity of others. Lame. You always said that Argentina didn't need anyone, well all evidence to the contrary there.
2. Your naval vessels sink in port due to lack of maintenance, brought about by incompetence and a huge amount of corruption.
3. Your ice breaker is rusting in dry dock brought about by incompetence and a huge amount of corruption.”
The people on your Antarctic base do not stay as a population and are often close to surviving and begging help from passers by.
That is the quality of Argentine colonialist Imperialism-even with no one to stop you, Argentina still cannot get it right.
@ Malvinense 1833
Jun 03rd, 2013 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0As you have not answered my questions posed in post #74 let us dissect your argument about ‘The Convention’
First the pre-amble and Article 1 refer to ‘existing differences’. Now either the Falklands dispute was a ‘difference’ or it was not. I can see no way that it was not a ‘difference’, can you? Therefore it is included in the Convention. Should it have not been a ‘difference’ then what are we all talking about, it was settled before The Convention was drafted. I do not think anyone believes that.
Nowhere in The Convention is a date given for the commencement of ‘the differences’ referred to in The Convention and the reference in the pre-amble to ‘perfect friendship’ would have to refer to a time when there were ‘no differences’, otherwise the friendship could not have been ‘perfect’. Therefore this would have to refer to the time when the UK recognised the United Provinces (2nd February 1825) but before there was any dispute, over the Falklands or anything else. Now as to when the actual dispute commenced I would not like to try to determine, was it when the UK warned the United Provinces about their proposal to set up a Colony or when the expulsion of the military garrison and their dependents took place? Either way there was a period when the friendship could be described, as ‘perfect’ and this must be the period to which The Convention refers.
Whilst the statement that the President of Uruguay is not involved the Falklands dispute is correct neither is he involved in the return of merchant ships and their cargos that belong to the United Provinces and are to be returned as detailed in The Convention. This therefore is a red herring as it is quite obvious that the President of Uruguay can only agree to the terms of The Convention that apply to Uruguay.
Now how about answering my question about the addresses to Congress by the 2 Presidents and one Vice President
“But there have been argentines born in Antarctica. In fact ONLY argentines have been born in Antarctica.”
Jun 03rd, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually there have been about 4 Chileans born there as well. The second child born there was Chilean.
”But there have been argentines born in Antarctica. In fact ONLY argentines have been born in Antarctica.
Jun 03rd, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good bye “british antarctic territory” (doesn't exist anyway).”
See final paragraph of Antarctic Treaty of 1961:
Article IV
Nothing contained in the present Treaty shall be interpreted as:
a. a renunciation by any Contracting Party of previously asserted rights of or claims to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica;
b. a renunciation or diminution by any Contracting Party of any basis of claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica which it may have whether as a result of its activities or those of its nationals in Antarctica, or otherwise;
c. prejudicing the position of any Contracting Party as regards its recognition or non-recognition of any other State's rights of or claim or basis of claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica.
No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force.
All births in Antarctica have been from 1979 and afterwards.
@103
Jun 04th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely you do not believe that the RG's will take any notice of a Treaty do you?
Surely by now you should have realised that if the RG's 'want it' it is their right to 'have it'.
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