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Gibraltar claims C24 is ‘failing miserably’ in its task of decolonising territories
Gibraltar veteran Minister Joe Bossano launched a scathing attack on to the record of the UN Committee of Decolonization or C24 claiming it is consistently falling to do the work it is tasked with: decolonising the territories on its list. Read full article
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Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well this is not the year for the poor members of the C24. After reading the walloping the Falkland Islands have already given it in Quito, it was pleasing to read that the French Polynesian government has officially requested that France organise a referendum on independence so as to remove themselves from their new position as a Non Self Governing Territory.
It is getting harder for the C24 to ignore the number of referendums that keep saying one thing..... NO CHANGE!
We have had Gibraltar say they are happy with their status.
We have had the Falkland Islands say they are happy with their status.
We have had Tokelau say TWICE that they do not wish to change their status.
And now we will have French Polynesia speak in a democratic referendum.
That will be four of the 17 listed territories.
Gibraltar sums up many of these points in their recent speech in Quito. A few choice phrases:
“What for, Mr Chairman why have us participate if nothing we say here, year after year, makes any difference?”
“This is the job you are failing to do.”
“Is Spain so ignorant...”
“...I only see in your deliberations the stagnation of the status quo and luxury of rhetoric and rituals.”
“You are miserably failing to do this.”
“...this gives me the moral right to question your performance.”
“...you have not shown the remotest interest in it.”
“...this committee might as well pack up.”
And this one is a ripper:
“My country has been independent from Spain longer than yours Mr Chairman. Does that give them the right to claim restoration of their sovereignty over Ecuador?”
www.gibraltar.gov.gi/images/stories/PDF/pressoffice/pressreleases/2013/371-2013.pdf
I like the new tact that these territories are taking.
It is good to see, well from the Government Representatives of the Falklands and Gibraltar anyway, a resume of the failings of the C24 sub-sub-committee.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This together with the not so subtle warnings from the Secretary General may, just may, wake them up to what they are supposed to be doing rather than just enjoying the 'perks' of their position and listening to the Annual Whine from Argentina which in my view is outside the mandate of said sub-sub-committee.
C24 is useless it's job to de-colonise has not been achieved over how many years?
Jun 01st, 2013 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is, the Re-colonisation committee, but has failed in its objectives to deny Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands basic human rights.
Only one option for Argentina now-use the old fashioned colonialist method of invading the FIs and get ass kicked by de-colonialist UK.
Never going to talk around bigoted countries like Ecuador, so might as well go on the offensive.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having Countries on the C24 committee either declare the C24 committee incompetent or themselves morally bankrupt should be interesting.
My money is on silence, except Diego Morejón-Pazmiño who will give us a display of condesending moral bankruptcy that should have seen the odious scum bounced off the commitee long ago.
If he does, get it recorded Mr Summers and put on youtube for all to see.
Anyone got the link to his rant at the C24 last year?
Why is this seminar taking place in Ecuador? Is it because the “chairman” is from Ecuador and wants to get home at night? Shouldn't the seminars take place in an NSGT. Then the C24 could conduct a “fact-finding” mission at the same time as they sit round a big table and talk about it. Why do Spain and argieland attend C24 meetings and rabbit on about their claims? Being handed over to another state is not decolonisation. In the case of both the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar one of the primary factors is that of language. In both cases, the natural and official language is English. How could placing another state where the natural and official language is Spanish in authority be considered as anything other than “alien subjugation, domination and exploitation”.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.” And yet argieland invaded and occupied the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands. Spain regularly sends armed vessels into British Gibraltar Territorial Waters and has even sent armed thugs (Guardia Civil) to chase through the streets of Gibraltar. Why don't argieland and Spain comply with UN resolutions?
Well done, Joe!
Jun 01st, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good choice of minister to send to the C24……..one without an Anglian name.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There were sterner words for Spain whose colonial record, Mr Bossano suggested, deprived her of the right to preach.”
In that case the British have even less right to preach.
Britain like the playground bully will only stand up to the countries it thinks it can beat……Spain……Argentina…….China?..God no! lets give them Hong Kong even though they were not obliged to……..leased territories crap…..save it, I'm talking about Hong Kong!
If it was the USA saying give us Bermuda because it's closer to us than you, they would say “yes master, would you like the Virgin Islands too”
Now if Argentina were to rid themselves of corruption, become a wealthy country again, build their armed forces and might…….Britain would think twice about annoying them…….not possible?…….Germany managed to do it after WW1.
Might is Right……always has been and still is….ask the USA!
………Dear C24 please, I would like England to be considered as NSGT with the administering power being Britain ;-)
Does anyone know what and “Anglian” name is?
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone from Anglia perhaps?
Is Kirchner an “Anglian” name? Perhaps Spanish? Native American?
Does it really farking matter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglian
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha Rolf!
Treaty of Utrecht. Article X
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“has been agreed and agreed by this agreement to be given to the - Crown of Spain's - first action before other to redeem it. ”
Therefore no existed any country.
Therefore it is impossible to self-determination.
@7 Think
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is the size of India. If India now had a 97% European population I might pause for thought on your desperate ramblings on colonial records.
With regards who the UK chooses to pick a fight with in regards protecting 3rd parties, is it really so crazy that it alters on a case by case basis: Even Jersey was left to the mercy of the Nazis for a while. What would be more disgusting would be if the UK clearly had the ability to do the right thing and didn't.
Now with regards you latest obsesion, you can focus on England as much as you like...but this is actually about the Falklands and Falklanders. If you want to intergrate them into your squatter population in South America it is going to take years of love to get their consent.
You've been having a mare for about 3 days solid now Think. Take a break. You will be missed, but some of your latest musings are veering into TTT/nostro territory. You are better than that.
Anglian? Do you mean 'English'? Racist garbage. Gibraltar is not 'English', and for that matter nor are many people in the UK.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would the US want Bermuda or the British Virgin Islands when they're already linked to the US economically, administratively and culturally? Their currency is the US dollar (interchangeable with Bermuda dollar) their country code is +1, like the US and they watch US TV channels. In the British Virgin Islands, they drive on the left, but all their cars are imported from the US so are left hand drive.
The US bought the Virgin Islands from Danes for US$25 million in 1917 or US$454,545,454.55 in today's money.
Hong Kong? Not that red herring again. Keeping Hong Kong Island and Kowloon after 1997 would have been a logistical nightmare - what's more, the UK had already returned leased territories to China, like Weihaiwei.
Germany is a serious country, Argentina is not - it's squandered its chances of being one. 'As rich as an Argentine' is what they USED to say... never again!
Is there any good that the C24 does?
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean what is it's actual function?
It seems to me that, apart from ignoring the wishes for the people it was set up to “Protect” it doesn't actually do anything of any good to anyone.
So nice one Joe......
8 Anglotino
“Does anyone know what and “Anglian” name is?”
It can be anything you want it to be.......
As the history of the UK ( That's GREAT Britain to the rest of you ) will point out to you, we have always let ethic groups in........and then claimed them as being our own all along. The vikings, the Norman, The Romans to name but three
@10 Malvinense 1833: “impossible to self-determination”
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't realise the date in your name meant you were trapped in the past.
It's 2013, I think self determination is not only possible but in action.
If you are stuck in the 1800's, perhaps you could show us some Spanish documents from 1811-1816 transfering sovereignty from Spain to any proto-Argentineans
@ 12Britanico
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you English Britanico……..that would be Anglish and the Anglish language the E means nothing the Anglian King was the first overlord of Briton the Saxons only occupied Southern Angland…….Wessex, Essex, Sussex etc…….it's all in the names…….West…Saxon…etc. The rest was Anglian except the Celtic fringe……..Do you know who you are?
Apparently not!
'As rich as an Argentine' is what they USED to say... never again!
Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never say never!
Argentina is a sleeping giant, says an Uruguayan friend.
@11 screenname
Jun 01st, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's laughable all these quasi British, thinking they know something about Britain, you just don't get it do you……there is no Britain just the English and their dependencies like Scotland, Wales and territories and that wouldn't include Northern Ireland if the English could have been guaranteed the majority protestants wouldn't massacre the catholics.
How many centuries does it take for you to understand?
@16 - Argentina is a sleeping giant? LOL - That's a strong fantasy.......
Jun 01st, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's true Argentina could be a lot more than it is today but to undo the damage your current government has done socially, economically and internationally will take a very long time indeed. Still you could make a start today rather than letting the rot continue.
I see think is operating several usernames once more.
@17 Think: “there is no Britain”
Jun 01st, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is as real as South America.
I wonder if anyone one will bite at the “...dependencies like Scotland...” quipp.
I don't think you realise just how well most of the British Isles gets on these days...especially when it comes to dishing out beatings to an Argentine (sorry Euro-squatter) led force...
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/01/sport/british-lions-barbarians-rugby-hong-kong/
@19 screenname
Jun 01st, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry what QUIP.....that would be one P. I was just telling it, as it is.
You are not English are you? If you were, you would know that what I said was true.
Yes the English are proficient at using terms like British to sucker the dependencies into believing they actually care about them. If the Falklands, God forbid, were to suffer a catastrophic plague and the population ceased to exist, do you think the UK would give up the territory? Rockall has no population do the Brits want it....yes indeed they do.....that damn interfering UN.....“We wants it...My Precious!”
Ring any bells?......I've heard that a few times on here referring to Argentina!
Great article.The C24 are an embarassament to the UN. It's all about giving self determination to subjugated people and nothing else. The Gibs and FIs have demonstrated their will anfdnot the will of any kind of overlord. The C24 have an untennable position on this, time to throw in the towel.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 07 A_Voice (#)....Voice you are indeed an uneducated complete ass hole..BEFORE you start to run off at the mouth you should do some meaningful research,as you come across like a retard..!
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't make your mind up can you retard?
Not two days ago, you were concerned for the British taxpayer “supporting” it's overseas territories...now you wish we'd begun WW3 to defend Hong Kong. Defend hong Kong from what? Have you been there recently? The Chinese have respected the Hong Kong traditions and life continues much as it ever did...would Argcuntina do the same?
Why should Britain “give up” the Falkands if a “mythical” plague wiped out the population? Give it up to whom?
The Argies...you have to fucking kidding. Nothing would defile the memory of the “mythical” plague victims more than handing their home to a murderous genocidal rank bunch of corrupt turds like you...perhaps Chile..that'd be a laugh!
Your attempts at analysing the United Kingdoms constituent parts and their relationships is hilarious and childlike by the way...ridiculous gibberish...
@22
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What research?
And your education is??? PHD... for......sailing a fishing boat......breeding dogs :-)
So the Brits don't want Rockall??....not following??
A Canadian know all.......or so you say!
“Treaty of Utrecht. Article X
Jun 01st, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“has been agreed and agreed by this agreement to be given to the - Crown of Spain's - first action before other to redeem it. ”
Therefore no existed any country.
Therefore it is impossible to self-determination.”
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UN Charter
Article 103
In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.
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In any case that provision would only apply if the UK wanted to relinquish sovereignty to an independent Gibraltar or to a Gibraltar in Free Association with the UK. Independence and Free Association aren't the only ways self-determination can be exercised. There are two other options available to NSGTs where the metropolitan state can retain sovereignty:
1 integration with an independent State or
2 the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people.
There's no desire for the integration in the BOTs, but the second is perfectly suitable to their needs.
A_Voice and El capitano...That's more like it: proper entertainment.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Might I suggest if you two want to take your show on the road you gleen a few tips from this man...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPvgZhjpJ7Q
great stuff
My God they really are Think!
Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had doubts until this thread.
@15 Old English is a West Germanic Saxon language, which then got mixed up with a North Germanic Norse one, hence Anglo-Saxon. However, that has no relevance to Joe Bossano's ethnic origins, which ironically, are similar to those of many Argentines, being of Genoese descent.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina is a sleeping giant, says an Uruguayan friend.'
Is that a compliment? It's asleep because it's too lazy to wake up.
'They claim that an Argentine ship was boarded by Britain - Is the research vessel Holmberg. Georgia was near. - The research vessel Eduardo Holmberg already in Argentine port after 24 days on the South Georgia and South Sandwich on disputed Falklands sovereignty as the United Kingdom. Few news spread of the cruise ship, which was not without incident.
Jun 01st, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On one hand, he knew Clarín , was intercepted by a British Antarctic ship, he did an inspection on board, which for Argentine sailors represented a gesture of “warning”. On the other hand, the angry Holmberg strongly to a national fishery sector, who told this newspaper that this year will be “neglected” major national campaigns for the preservation of equity after making “geopolitical gesture” to the UK in practice, they said, “was isolated and ineffective”...'
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Denuncian-argentino-abordado-Gran-Bretana_0_929907141.html
'Argentina invades Britain: Record numbers of tourists spend £100million in UK despite renewed tensions over the Falkands - '
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Denuncian-argentino-abordado-Gran-Bretana_0_929907141.html
'The Falklands campaign came to the National Free Trade Fairs -
Under the Second National Free Trade Fairs and Markets in being carried out in the former capital Regiment 9 Corrientes Party leaders and activists of social referents Victoria and set up a table in the One Million Signatures Campaign for Falklands bilateral dialogue around the Malvinas Question in the terms of Resolution 2065...'
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Denuncian-argentino-abordado-Gran-Bretana_0_929907141.html
24 A_Voice (#)....ahaaaaaaaaa...lol..Sail a fishboat?...No wonder everything in Argie land is ass backwards...Erm I hate to educate you on this subject my lil munchkin..but we now have “fishboats” that no longer use sail power...lol...in fact ultra modern..you really should do a lil research..As for breeding “Dogs”...I breed only Akitas...erm..s/thing wrong with that?..My hobby you see,after a very productive career,maybe you should try one...career that is...Ohh and BTW..“cheers” life is sweet....lol..!
Jun 01st, 2013 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 Captain Birdseye
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha no self respecting trawler skipper from Stinking Grimsby would ever call his vessel a “fishboat” it's all in the language……learn the lingo Captain Birdseye, but thanks for educating me……. so is it sail a car and drive a boat ?
Aye Aye Captain driving the seven seas……Must tell Rod Stewart to change the words from the song that accompanied the TV series about the Ark Royal in the seventies……I am driving, I am driving …..as a big ship like the Ark Royal doesn't sail.
And what old Geezer uses lol..? even David Cameron thought it meant lots of love…http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18032027
31 A_Voice (#).....Erm “fishboat” was YOUR terminology...all I have done is quote you my lil munchkin...Wow you have even managed to include Rod Stewart in your insane ramblings..Please seek help as there is no doubt in my mind that you need it..As for “Stinking Grimsby”...I must say I find that hilarious..!
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0(31) A_Voice & (32) El capitano
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's stop this quarrel between English blood brothers and get some positivism!
You, Mr. “El Capitano” could contribute with some preciously needed input about, for example…………:Badger Culling in the English Counties.
And you Mr. “A_Voice” could continue with those vivid descriptions of them profound English Colonial Ontological Contradictions.....
Yours
El Think, Chubut, Argentina.
@31,32,33.... stop playing with yourself Thicko... you'll go blind.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I keep typing Argentinean, instead of Argentinian.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got a quippp about that Think?
@16
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is a sleeping giant, says an Uruguayan friend.”
@28
“It's asleep because it's too lazy to wake up.”
The giant is clearly having some weird dreams.
Anglotino, and Screen name, - You are absolutely correct in my opinion.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your posts 26 & 27.
You hit the nail right on the head.
37 Escoses Doido:
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think undoubtedly (in my mind at least) has other user IDs are far better concealed. Of what real use they are, I can’t see. While the posters that support the Flaklanders’ rights on this website may have little squabbles with each other, that does not affect the overriding morality of Flaklanders’ position. Therefore, some sort of divide and conquer strategy isn't really going to work.
If Think wishes to maintain user IDs that support for Flaklanders’ as some sort of long-term plan, then good for him, it's his life he is wasting.
At least these more blatant puppets are mildly entertaining and add a bit of humanity to Think’s persona (which cannot be a bad thing given the seriousness of what Argentina actually trying to do with regards the Falklands and its people).
Turnip at (38)
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the flak is a “Flaklander” ?
Chuckle chuckle©
@39 A free man.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Think
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Flak-lander
Someone that takes abuse from bigots because of where he comes from?
Chuckle chuckle
10 Malvinense 1833 (#)
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 01st, 2013 - 03:18 pm
You ought to read Article X of the treaty of Utrecht before misquoting it!!!!!
See: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Peace_and_Friendship_Treaty_of_Utrecht_between_Spain_and_Great_Britain#ARTICLE_X
@10 Malvinense 1833
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re Gibraltar ”Gibraltar was captured in 1704, during the War of the Spanish Succession (1701–1714). Spain formally ceded the territory in PERPETUITY to the British Crown in 1713, under Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht. This was CONFIRMED in later treaties signed in Paris and Seville.”
Thanks You Simon68 for the link.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But anyway...
“By leaving the territory the United Kingdom, the priority is Spain
And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the Crown of Spain before any others”.
By leaving the territory the United Kingdom, the priority is of Spain.
So it is not possible a new nation or self-determination.
It's just a thought says Briton.
@7 You have a problem with “reality”. Back in 1982 we “toyed” with the idea of nuking argieland. Still an option. Want to call that “bullying”? Or shall we call it a local policeman treading a mugger's face into the dirt? It's a matter of perspective. Every human record shows that the Falkland Islands are legally British. So argies are muggers. Criminals. War criminals.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Not exactly a complete rendition. And overtaken by UNCLOS.
@15 But then you're Spanish, or Italian, or German or a mongrel! Right?
@16 Argieland is a piece of shit. Argieland will only be a “giant” in its own deranged mind. Argieland isn't “sleeping”, cretin, it's in a coma. and it's extremely likely that, in the near future, someone will pull the plug. Argieland isn't worth anything. And its “resources” can be taken without argies.
@17 Oh no, WE understand. WE are the power. And WE have some surrounding “resources” that WE have treated well. Just a minority of a little over 10 million people compared to England's 53 million. Oh, look. More than argieland's 41 million. And everyone hates argies!
@20 But argieland is crap filled with shit! And in the crosshairs.
@39 It's an old term. It relates to the screen of anti-aircraft munitions available to turn argies into dogmeat. Giggle! Surely the only good argie is a castrated and dead argie? Castration first and execution an hour later. Or maybe 2 hours.And be reasonable. Execution by garotte. Seems very appropriate for argies and Spaniards. Strangulation. And an attempt to find a spine.
@44 UN Charter and UNCLOS. Spain can get stuffed. What I really want to do is to blast every Spanish “vesssel” that enters BGTW into smithereens. then I want to go out and shoot or stab a harpoon through every Spanish body.
Latest from RGland...
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Foreign vessels plundering the Argentine Sea - While the national fishing industry is crippled by low profitability, ships from other countries take fish from the waters. “There is too much fishing and there are fewer fish,” they said specialists Today...'
http://diariohoy.net/politica/buques-extranjeros-saquean-el-mar-argentino-11121
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http://diariohoy.net/politica/buques-extranjeros-saquean-el-mar-argentino-11121
'New support for the cause Malvinas - CELAC ruled “in favor of an early resumption of negotiations” to “find a peaceful and lasting solution”. The Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), along with representatives of the Caribbean Community, held a meeting with Foreign Minister of Russia, where they renewed their support to the cause of the Falklands, it was reported yesterday...'
http://diariohoy.net/politica/buques-extranjeros-saquean-el-mar-argentino-11121
@44 Malvinense 1833:
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you posted those links to Spanish documents from 1811-1816 granting self-determination to Proto-Argentineans yet?
Or are you a hypocrite with verbal diarrhea?
“By leaving the territory the United Kingdom, the priority is of Spain.
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it is not possible a new nation or self-determination.
It's just a thought says Briton.”
Utterly clueless Malvi,
The UK does not have to leave the territory for self-determination to be exercised.
46 Steve-33-uk (#)........Wow RUSSIA??....This can ONLY mean that Russia is about to RETURN the Kurile Islands to Japan...!!
Jun 02nd, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44
Jun 03rd, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“By leaving the territory the United Kingdom, the priority is Spain”
The British did not abandon their claim, leaving behind a plaque declaring this, as indeed Spain did regarding their claim when they left the islands.
When Spain left the Falkland Islands in 1810(there was shared sovereignty-but not with any other nations), the way was open for Britain to assert their claim.
There was no provision for a third party when Spain and Britain signed the treaty that avoided war in 1771-it says so in the treaty.
I am still waiting for evidence of a treaty, signed by Spain and the United Provinces/Buenos Aires Government, to be referenced on these posts to prove that Spain granted Argentina the Falklands, after they left, especially as Spain did not abandon their claim to the Falklands until later in the century
@50
Jun 03rd, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In August 1776, King Charles III of Spain created the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata. “ .. the viceroyalty of La Plata is represented as extending southward to the latitude of 41 degrees; and in the map accompanying it, a line drawn from the Andes eastward to the head-waters of the river Colorado, and down that stream to its mouth in the Atlantic, near the 40th degree, is given as the boundary between the viceroyalty and Patagonia.” [Revolucion Hispano-Americaux 1829 Mariano Torrente]
The Falkland Islands were not included within the new Viceroyalty. They were however administered from Buenos Ayres as a dependency.
Which, in my humble opinion, would further reduce the credibility of the RG claim that they 'inherited' the Falklands
@51
Jun 04th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that. Clearly if the Falklands were part of a claim including the Viceroyalty of the River Plata, they would be included in the boundaries.
The Falkland Islands were clearly claimed separately by Spain and not associated with the River Plate Viceroy.
I find it amusing that The United Provinces usurped Spain who did not recognise them until later, clearly demonstrating self determination, yet themselves also becoming a colonialist power in South America.
The fact that Spain did not accept the UPs wishes/status for many years is strangely parallel to the Argentines not accepting the Falkland |Islanders wishes/status.
Excellent points, well presented by Gibraltar.
Jun 04th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only people who can support the C24 are those in favour of colonisation - its pretty obvious that the C24 have no desire whatsoever, to actually do their ACTUAL job on behalf of the likes of Gib and FI - but are far too interested in perpetuating their cushy job and benefits.
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I see that Stink is up to his usual antics with the use of multiple sock-puppets.... I wonder is s/he realises how much of an idiot it makes her/him?
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