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Falklands: Uruguay lawmaker calls for direct links with ‘kelpers’ and a change in government’s policy
Lawmaker Jaime Trobo invited his peers in the Lower House to review the Uruguayan government’s position regarding the Malvinas Islands and without questioning Argentine sovereignty, establish close trade and human links with the Islanders, as in the past, eliminating the ‘sanitary ring’ imposed by the current Argentine government. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI wonder what Marcos' comment will be on this? Slowly slowly the Latam community will see the truth that these people do not want governed by the quasi dictatorship that is RG land. The truth will always win out in the end, the Falkland's are safe and their democratic future is secured and the more people that realise this the better it will be for all involved.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Article says...:
”The UK is a ‘friend’ and much respected for having fought and resisted Nazi Germany but in the case of the Malvinas “She’s behaving as the perfidious colonial Albion”.
I say...:
I couldn't have said it better...............
You could always send a battleship to impose your will om us.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wait we sunk it bad albion bad albion :)
Oh Martinez Huelmo... Where of Where does it say in the UN Charter that the right to self determination applies to all peoples except those transplanted by a foreign sovereign state - Oh that's right it doesn't say that does it, it just says the right to self determination applies to all people! and the UN Secretary General stated that the islanders have the right to self determination also!
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me explain why, its simple really, as no population in any country or territory is transplanted the current population is there as a result of their ancestors own free choice to immigrate their to start a new live, much like your Spanish ancestors did when they decided to move to Uruguay. Same applies to Argentinians own ancestors and to the rest of the south American population that has ancestral routes in Europe. The same would apply to North America as well.
So if the Falkland islanders are a transplanted population then isn't the population of all south American countries, with exception to the native Indian population, also a transplanted population? If so then you also would have no right to self determination and the natives would have every right to demand you leave their historical ancestral territory that you currently occupy and originally took by force!
So on that basis Martinez Huelmo, aren't you and your governments official stance somewhat hypercritical and basically a complete load of rubbish and therefore simply your country applying lip service to Argentina who constantly stab you in the back!!
I've read that Uruguayan Foreign Ministry Document - it was so inaccurate with its supposed 'facts' that I came to the conclusion that someone in the Foreign Ministry was having a laugh. It could even get the historic dates right an said that the Spanish were on the Falklands until 1820 !!
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, it sounds like BA hasn't got the consensus it would like to believe in.
”Argentina is not a ‘friend’ and should be reviled for having appeased and collaborated with Nazi Germany but in the case of the Falklands “She’s behaving as the perfidious colonial ethnic cleansing Spaniard-Italian thief ”.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 - The Uruguayan Foreign Ministry Document was probably written up by an Argentinian as they can never seem to stick to the same story or get their historical facts right either lol.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it funny how the only populations to claim transplanted populations have no rights are the transplanted Italo-Iberian populations of South America?
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It all comes back to the myth...and the myth will eventually be exposed as a lie.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0For decades the Argenitine Government perpetrated a lie that the Spanish population of 1767 was large and prosperous, had chosen to be Argentine in 1814, was evicted by the British in 1833.
if any of that were true, then the Argentines would be justified in feeling aggrieved, and although would have lost any claim to sovereignty through their actions in 1850 and 1982, it would at least seem a reasonable cause for disquiet.
Several times have we heard other LATAM countries repeat the lie, about the “original population” being expelled, ”The long-standing Argentine population being expelled etc etc...
Its all lies.
The Spanish (not Argentine) population left in 1811. Voluntarily, to Montevideo (not Argentina) and then back to Spain (not Argentina).
The civilians on the islands in 1833 were few in number 20-30 were multi-race, and were under the leadership of the british (not Argentine) Matthew Brisbane.
The only eviction in 1833 was of 50 or so militia who'd arrived 2 months earlier (implanted?, usurpers?, pirates), who had already mutineed, murdered and raped.
Until, the severe weakness and misleading propaganda is accepted and LATAM countries accept they were duped by Argentine lies, nothing will change.
Trobo is offering a face saving alternative...
“Carlos Gamou said Uruguay considers Argentina ‘a brotherly country’ ”
Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Albeit a one-eyed brother with a stubborn demented old wife.
The oil industry will be the ultimate ones who decide our Falklands Future.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Oil starts pumping when predicted then we are in for greater interference from Argentina. If it proves there is not that much to extract Argentina will
then tell the world a different story of how they made a terrible mistake and that the Falklands has been a mistaken identity of our Argentina and that it was a different Islands that they were talking about. Usual make it up as you go along kind of bull that Argentina constantly comes up with.
Facts are that Other Latin American countries will start to see that Argentina can no longer control what they do and start working with the Falklands. We will just have to wait and see.
Thankyou Sn Trobo. Some good Uruguyan commonsense. Think- he is not direspecting the Arg Claim - all he is saying is -that is between Arg and the the UK/Islands - and not a Uruguyan problem.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly the same position that Chile takes in reality.
@ Think (2)
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Britain is to be respected for resisting and fighting the Nazis, what could be said of Argentina who supported, respected and tried to model itself on the Nazi Party, and even welcomed and accommodated the fleeing Nazi leaders?
Hello again bloggers... or what ever you like to refer to yourselves as... I can see the problematic RG's are back .. Condemning the favourable management style borne unto the Falklands... I can't wait until they develop the fields.. I'll be rich... I'll let you guys know that I have worked on four exploration projects down there since the early eighties (before the invasion) through until just a few months ago for one of the newer operators... I can tell you that the geology tells the tale... They are going to have a windfall sooner than later ... Argentina can only sit back and ask themselves where they went wrong... Same as always... Poor govt. management.. Corruption.. Inane stupidity on all fronts... The geology of the big finds in Brazil are being followed all the way through Uruguay and into the Falklands basin... Strange thing is that nobody wants to return to Argentina to pursue the opportunities there because ... THEY WILL GET RIPPED OFF .. as is always the case... What a bunch off imbeciles..!
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Think
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile and Brazil have both said that Argentina's Malvinas dreams will not affect their relationship with the UK.
Of course, if Argentina had a claim on the Falklands they would have taken it to the UN ICJ years ago. All they have is the C24 Committee of bias numpties and their 'Great Malvinas Myth' and a load of historical non-truths. LOL.
(14) Mick23
Jun 05th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
”I'll be rich... I'll let you guys know that I have worked on four exploration projects down there since the early eighties (before the invasion) through until just a few months ago for one of the newer operators...“
I say....
O'RLY ?
You ”worked on four exploration projects down there since the early eighties (before the invasion)“ ?
That leaves 1980, 1981 and the 3 first months of 1982......
NO oil exploration WHATSOEVER was undertaken on Malvinas during these years..... NONE....
We have had our share of ”Walter Mitty's“ South Atlantic Anglo War Veterans in here before......
You are our first ”Walter Micky“ South Atlantic Anglo Oil Prospector Veteran....
A prospective rich ”Walter Micky” South Atlantic Anglo Oil Prospector Veteran, on top of that :-)))
@16 Think
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Micky23 said SINCE the early eigties (before the invasion) which means that he has worked on exploration since the early eighties which was before the invasion!
This is an English language thread - if you are unable to read English then don't leave stupid comments as you are only showing yourself to be an ignoramous
Well there is a good enough justification for buying some nice Uruguayan wine, Balena. If the thugs in BA get the Falklands, Chile and then Uruguay will come to their attention. We should all remember Operacion Soberania in 1978 and the plans for 1982, forestalled by the Royal Navy and their brothers-in-arms.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turnip at (17)
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does “ eigties” mean ???
Dear Turnip........
This is an English language thread - if you are unable to write English then don't leave stupid comments as you are only showing yourself to be an ignoramous
@19
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Mister can'tthink - I may not be able to type English but I can understand it unlike yourself.
What have you got against turnips - Baldrick thought they were wonderful but mind you Baldrick was hyper-intelligent compared with the average Argentine troll (think Think) but then of course your xenophobia and envy of the Brits would stop you from accepting the joy of turnipdom
Thanks for ignoring my difficult question on Argentina Think.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway I think there was drilling going on “down there” in the early eighties, reasonably close to the Falklands instigated by the Argies.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5 & #7
Jun 05th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The paper you both refer too is I believe known in the vernacular as ;
Bum wipe.
@2 Ah yes, but then he, like you, is an ignorant fool. Let's take a look at some other bits. “Speaking for the government, lawmaker Ruben Martinez Huelmo quoted a document from the Uruguayan Foreign Ministry on the peoples’ right to self determination in which “the UK claims over the Malvinas refers to a non existent historic right”. And what ”historic right“ do argies have? The ”historic right“ stemming from the criminal act of rebellion? The ”historic right“ stemming from the criminal act of genocide? Which continues to this day. But there's more. ”“The Islanders are not an autonomous people but a ‘transplanted’ population which is dependent on the British crown” said Martinez Huelmo“. Conveniently forgetting that the Falklands are self-governing and are dependent only on themselves. And that argies and Uruguayans are ”transplanted“. And to a greater extent than the Falklanders. Wouldn't it be nice if you and your fellow wurzels could come up with a consistent, logical, fact-based set of statements/arguments. Not much hope. You haven't done it in 200 years.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Strangely, exploration began in the late 70s. Surveys, you know. All part of ”exploration”.
Heres some info here
Jun 05th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bordersandsouthern.com/media/pdf/Prospectus%20Final.pdf
if you search for 1981, no ideas what the Malvinas sub-basin is.
Foolish Trobo.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay will put him on ignore, Im sure the people there understand short term gain Vs long term pain.
Unlike the ~3000 blow-ins. (the very few long term inbreds excepted) who should really be figuring out a favorable way out of their precarious and ultimately inevitably doomed venture.
@21
Jun 05th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HOW MANY TIMES does it need to be said? Argentina had no reason to enter the war either against the Nazis or against you! It is not a difficult question at all. It was none of our business, if you European tosssers were exterminating each other.
Funny you don't ask the same of your blood-brothers the USA. They are far closer to you yet sat back and did nothing for 3 years, when England could have easily fallen at ANY time. What is to be said of that???
In fact as an Argentine historian said: “WWII was a necessary purge. The delusions of Germany and Italy to restore ancient empires needed to be put to rest for good; the Soviet population needed to be ”culled“ or face constant starvation, and the French and British nations needed to go bankrupt in order to end their heinous empires. The war was short-term a disaster for humanity, but a blessing in the long-term as it buried for good Europe's moraless and dark stewardship of world affairs” (translating)
Your historical treatment of Argentina is why we detest you. You feel you have the right to judge us on that which occurred 70 years ago (and judging us based on LIE), but we have no right to judge you brits on Empire, which was wicked and 100% true.
Get out of here.
Thrashing about Think, and missing the target as usual. Brainwashed moron. Corned beef is the only achievement Rgland has... Lol! Cracks appearing to join those already present.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 trolly-dolly
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that case why did Argentina declare war on Germany in 1945 - perhaps you thought that you might be able to steal something from the defunct German & Italian empires. Also your mates in Brazil declared war on Germany in 1942 and even sent combat troops - not that they were much good but at least they tried.
As I said elsewhere - did you know that envy can make you impotent? which is presumably why your dick has moved up to your head!!!
@29
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the fuck is the point of your post?
You praise Brazil by insulting them. This is exactly why you are the pieces of shit you are, euros. This is why we Argentines have woken up and unlike the rest of the world are no longer fooled by your silk political statements hiding undue and repugnant arrogance.
Why did Brazil declare war on Germany? What did Germany do to them? EVER thought of that you prick?
I can tell you why Argentina declared war in 1945: it was a prerequisite to enter the UN. Simple as that, it was politically convenient, for us.
Again, where is your questioning as why the USA, which had far greater means to help you brits, basically did nothing (and in fact profited from the war by selling you arms, they did not give them away in an act of kindness). You were about to fall in 1940 and the US did nothing, they were ready to see London under the Swastika.
You forgive your brothers more than you do people who detest you for not helping?
27 turd troll
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Funny you don't ask the same of your blood-brothers the USA. They are far closer to you yet sat back and did nothing for 3 years, when England could have easily fallen at ANY time. What is to be said of that??? ”
The USA did join, though, and they committed 100%.
They also supplied Britain with war materiel for years first and lost their own merchant ships supplying Britain.
They had the moral conviction, to see it through.
Argentina were opportunists who switched to the winning side, and abandoned plans to aquire the Falklands, as fortunes changed at the end of the war.
@31
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Call it opportunism what happened in 1945... I call it political savvy. But in the end, you and none here have actually answered the question and will answer the question, what concrete reason was there for Argentina to join the war... only for you to insult us years later like Darragh does with Brazil? (and this type of attitude I have seen time and time again... good to see you thank your friends with kind words!)
Argentina had no reason to help you, for starters, because you are not very good and kind people deserving to be helped. More pragmatically, it was none of our business. Whatever the outcome of the war it affected us not one bit who won.
A few clarifications, My Trobo
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands community is not considered an alien in the South American coast. (At least not that minority born in the islands. We could, perhaps, consider aliens many of those British born new commers that are government officials). But still, the islands community is not and has never been the problem. They are recognized and their human rights are respected as stated in Argentine Constitution and UN Resolutions. What is not recognized is the non-appliecable prinriple of self-determination.
There´s no Argentine blockade of the Malvinas. Argentina is only taking meassures to face the unilateral exploitation of resources in dispute. The British unilateral modifications -such as resources exploitation- are not compatible with UN Resolutions.
If it took you two days to reach Port Stanley -when you´re only two and a half hours away - because the only air link with Malvinas from the continent is a weekly flight from the extreme south of Chile, Punta Arenas, maybe you should suggest your friends to reconsider the Buenos Aires - Puerto Argentino flights proposal. They said they were ok with the LAN flights to Punta Arenas. So they seem to like long distance flights and to be isolated.
Trobo, despite of what you have pointed out, you are talking and arguing about the Malvinas sovereignty, ever since you´re interested in doing business with the exploitation of disputed resources.
Yet again Nostril, you show your ignorance of history.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WWII didnt cost Britian or France its Empire. Britain chose to respect and nurture the self-determination of its former colonies, whereas France decided to try and cling on to theirs losing war after war.
How offensive your ranting must be to the 1/2 million Vietnamese who died fighting in their War of Independence with France, for you to dismiss what they made the ultimate sacrifice for.
Your ignorance gets worse every day Nostril...keep it coming and I will keep pointing out the ignorance.
By the way, when it comes to ”wicked2 Empires, by far the worst was the Spanish-genocidal-slave-trading colonialism (now calling themselves Argentines).
Monkeymagic, no one believes your benevolent Britain fairy tale. NO ONE.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps I should list all the genocides commited by the UK in India, Africa, Australia, Tasmania, Canada ,etc.
The USA sat in their Ivory Tower of Splendid Isolation and contemplated the British Empire……how do we destroy it?
Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They drew up plans in 1930 to destroy it, amended them in 1934/35 but were unsure of success. Then low and behold an opportunity arose, a gift fell into their laps, Hitler…….so they helped him all they could gave him everything he needed, knowing the Germans didn't have oil they gave them the technology to use Bio Diesel for aviation fuel.
Sit back and watch, sell both sides arms and let them bankrupt themselves and still owe us money, when the dust settles go in and clean up.
The damn Japanese ruined the plan……or did they? This then presented an opportunity to clean up in the Pacific…..how fortunate for us.
Now tell me, did it happen this way or not? Refute the hypothesis!!
Which country came out of the WW2 as a superpower?
Fact Fact Fact or Fiction?
@35
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For all your hatred of genocide, you still maintain putting an end to the Hitlerian one was none of your business? You think it wouldn't have affected you had the Nazis won? Look at the Nazi-inspired political cultures that thrived throughout Latin America, even when they'd lost. Or will that all turn out to have been somebody else's fault as well?
@36
Try reading a history book instead of your collection of SWP posters, you might some answers all by yourself.
@35
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 countries came out of the world as superpowers. The US, the USSR and the British Empire. Britain was the weakest of the three and lost its status as a superpower in 1953 with the Suez Crisis. Also your theory on the US aiding the downfall of the empire is partially true however by this point the idea of empire was already over with the likes of Ghandi in India for example. The First World War was more responsible for the downfall of empires then the Second.
Amendment: Synthetic Oil made from coal, I meant!! But you get my drift!
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 TroLLey_to_Truth
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina had no reason to help you, for starters, because you are not very good and kind people deserving to be helped.”
You ungrateful twat.
The British did more for Argentina than the cunt Peron ever did AND LOOK AT THE LEGACY YOU HAVE HAD FROM HIM.
Over the coming 2 years we will all see the cowards of The Dark Country (not County) and how they dispose themselves, good or bad.
Don't hold your breath we all know the answer to that one.
Argentina declared war on Germany has a condition for membership to the fledgling UN. The Soviet Union tried to block that membership because they considered them complicit with the hitlerite fascists. Truman insisted that they be given membership and they have been a pain on the ass there ever since.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Historical fact, look it up.
26 Vestige
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“He who lives by the crystal ball soon learns to eat ground glass.”--Edgar R. Fiedler
(36) A_Voice
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say
“Sit back and watch, sell both sides arms and let them bankrupt themselves and still owe us money, when the dust settles go in and clean up.”
I say....:
Are you speaking about the USA during the XXth century?
Or about England during the XVIIIth & XI'th century?
Trolley
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are stupid...
Firstly 95% of the British Empire completely buys the “fairy tale” which is why we have a fully functional and excellent commonwealth of nations, and the only war of independence we ever lost was 250 years ago.
Compare with the French (terrible wars of independence costing millions of lives) and the Spanish (where you genocidal slave-trading colonists changed your name...BUT WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE)!!
you can't explain why Britain fought no wars on Independence, and has great relationships with the vast majority of its former colonies, which is at odds with “YOUR FAIRYTALES”.
Your trolling is really poor, Stevie is challenging you for most incompetent twat on here...keep trying though!!
@44
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you totally Monkeymagic however I must correct you in saying that we have actually lost only 2 wars of independence in the long history of the empire, and they were as you said the original 13 colonies in America and then Ireland in 1919/21 but even then Britain still kept a quarter of the island and the Republic and UK remain till this day incredibly close, with each being the most important economic link to the other. But as you say if you compare that to Spain who lost 90% of her empire in less than 30 years, Britain has done quite well.
@35 - Tobias
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do know what genocide means don't you?
Obviously not, because if the British had committed genocide in the areas you suggest then there would be no India (India as a nation was the invention of the British), Africans, Aborigines in Australia, or native Amerindians in Canada.
So if you have proof of these 'so-called' geneocides perhaps you should provide proof?
Argentines, however, did commit genocide during the war of the desert. Not only that, but rather than free your African slaves, like the rest of the continent was doing, you murdered them all.
People who live in glass houses, Tobias, shouldn't throw stones, or if you prefer the biblical reference: let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone.
Argentina is certainly not without sin.
Here is the UN definition:
Legal definition of genocide
Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part1; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”
Tell me how many children were forcibly transferred from their parents (who were murdered) to other families under your wonderful Junta?
How many native Amerindians are still being murdered in Argentina today?
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/09/indigenous-12-year-old-beaten-to-death-in-north-east-argentina
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/09/indigenous-12-year-old-beaten-to-death-in-north-east-argentina
And still Tobias, your so-called 'dream' of LATAM solidarity (under Argentina's dictatorial rule) remains just a pathetic dream.
@43 Think
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha bloody ha.......Touché! ....you got me!
Sun Tzu declared that “All warfare is based on deception”
Machiavelli advised, “never to attempt to win by force what can be won by deception,”
36 :A_Voice
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not even Machiavelli, Stalin, J.P.Morgan & the odious Joe Kennedy combined could have predicted the events between 1930 & '45. Let's see - the U.S. was still recovering from the Great Depression in 1939 (I'm guessing you've probably read Steinbeck on that subject) - they couldn't afford a war even if public opinion allowed it. Don't forget American soldiers were gassed in WW1. They dreaded getting involved in another european war and while many Americans were not particularly bothered by the British Empire getting a blood nose in 1939 (particularly the aforementioned Kennedy) that attitude changed rapidly. American reporters filing from London during the blitz had a lot to do with that. 31 Troy Tempest refers to the Lend Lease Legislation, which tells you where their real sympathies lay and many young brave, principled American travelled to Britain to fight beside them independently of their governments neutrality just as many foreigners, many of them British, had volunteered to fight in the Spanish civil war (on the republican side ). Many private citizens sent food parcels and other resources as well as lobbying their govt. for anything that would help.
I believe 38 Connor is probably correct about the First World War's influence on a willingness to relinquish their colonial assets. The change in political consciousness was profound - read the war poets if you doubt me - how else to account for the successful recruitment by the Soviets of all those Cambridge double-agents? As well as the aforementioned involvement in Espania? This is kind of a silly argument anyway, there is no lingering bitterness in Britain over whether the U.S. 'did enough' during the War, and whilst not being an Empire might mean having to put up with sophomoric, patronising assholes like George Bush ( “yo Blair” ) Britain is over it. It's the rest of the world that seems to have a problem with it.
@43 Think
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hang on a minute did you mean XXI…..21st or did you mean XIX 19th?
36 A_Voice (#)
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 05th, 2013 - 03:51 pm
“... sell both sides arms and let them bankrupt themselves and still owe us money...”
The USA did NOT sell arms to the Axis countries, all arms used by the German and Italian militaries were home built. Even those arms that were lost by the US Army during the Battle of the Bulge in 1944 were unusable by the German troops because of differences in amunition!!!!!!!!
(48) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hold your horses, matey....
“Britain is over it. It's the rest of the world that seems to have a problem with it.”, you say.......
Over it?
My left foot!
I have down here 12,000,000 square km of South Atlantic & Antarctic territories currently being squatted by the English Empire saying otherwise....
(49) A_Voice
My bad............
I meant XVIIIth & XIXth (19th) centuries.
@51
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I think you'll find that the Argies are squatting in 12,000,000 km2 of British overseas territory mate.
Your left foot? whats wrong with it? did it just drop off? Hence the exclamation mark that followed?
Here Think heres another list for you to get upset by:
Ascension Island (BOT)
Anguilla (BOT)
Afghanistan
Akrotiri & Dhekelia (BOT)
Australia
Bahamas
Bahrain
Barbados
British Antarctic territory (BOT)
British Indian ocean territory (BOT)
British Virgin Islands (BOT)
Botswana
Bermuda (BOT)
Bangladesh
Cameroon
Guyana
Belize
Somalia
Solomon Islands
Brunei
Burma aka Myanmar
Canada
Cameroon
Cayman Islands (BOT)
Cook Islands
Cyprus
China
Egypt
Falkland Islands (BOT)
Gambia
Guyana
Gibraltar (BOT)
Ghana aka Gold Coast
Grenada
Guernsey (Crown Dependency)
Hong Kong (Independent of most of Chinas social/economic policies)
India
Iraq
Isle of Man (Crown Dependency)
Israel
Ireland
Jamaica
Jordan
Jersey (Crown Dependency)
Kenya
Kiribati
Kuwait
Lesotho
Malaya (West Malaysia)
Maldives Islands
Malta
Malawi
Mauritius
Montserrat (BOT)
Newfoundland (Canada)
New Zealand
Nigeria
Oman
Papua New Guinea
Palestine
Pakistan
Pitcairn Islands (BOT)
Qatar
Sarawak (East Malaysia)
Solomon Islands
St Helena (BOT)
St Kitts/Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
South Georgia (BOT)
South Sandwich Islands (BOT)
Singapore
South Africa
Sudan
Sri Lanka
South Sudan
Somalia
Solomon Islands
Swaziland
Tanzania
Tuvalu
Tonga
Trinidad & Tobago
Tristan da Cunha (BOT)
Turks and Caicos Islands (BOT)
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
Vanuatu
Western Samoa
Yemen
Zanzibar (Tanzania)
Zimbabwe
Zambia
Read it and weep you pathetic colonial twat.
@50 Simon68
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Start with Ford - whose founder wrote in favour of the Hitler and the Nazi Party - then on to General Motors, add in DuPont - whose expertise helped develop Zyclon B, synthetic rubber and oil - Boeing helped the Nazi Air Force with production and design - and many other large US industrial companies were in partnership or controlled factories using slave labour in the Nazi Empire. To these you can add most of Wall Street providing funding and helping with raw material imports into the Nazi Empire.
Mmmm……Prescott Bush??
I.G Farben traded with US standard Oil using the Union Banking Corporation to trade huge quantities of nazi money, until it was closed for the trading with the enemies act.
I am aware that it is the way of the world and wars and colonialism have always been based on business!
53 A_Voice (#)
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:59 pm
You've mentioned a lot of industrial companies, but none of them producing arms for sale to the Axis countries!!!!!!!!!
@Think LOL look at those lovely words BOT, BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you see that is the clever part......lots of small parts of this and that and put them together.......
A war machine doesn't just run on dynamite!!
@48 Heisenbergcontext
What you say is also true!
@37
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would not have affected us one bit. Expand your IQ people: what if Nazi Germany had really won, and instead the question today as posed to me by a German speaking Brit were: “What if the Soviet Union had won?”
The Soviet Union winning affected us in the slightest.
The same would have been true the other way around.
@40
The British made VERY PROFITABLE BUSINESS in Argentina. The UK NEVER HELPED ARGENTINA, as in the true definition of help which is “provide assistance without expectation of any reciprocity”. And the UK invaded us THREE times since 1806 (and failed). In other words, they declared war on us and wanted to exterminate us.
@46
”... You do know what genocide means don't you? ...Obviously not, because if the British had committed genocide in the areas you suggest then there would be no India (India as a nation was the invention of the British), Africans, Aborigines in Australia, or native Amerindians in Canada. ...So if you have proof of these 'so-called' geneocides perhaps you should provide proof?... Argentines, however, did commit genocide during the war of the desert. Not only that, but rather than free your African slaves, like the rest of the continent was doing, you murdered them all.“
Do you read before you type? Do you realize that the above is an instant contender for most moronic statement of the year Award?”
What does the fact that Africans and Aborigenes and Inuit still exist have to do with genocide? Why do you use one standard on the British and another on Argentina? Typical cultural supremacy at work.
The are native americans in Argentina, does, according to your logic used on Australia, Canada, and India, there was no genocide in Argentina.
Teen Toby Troll
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many people, including the few remaining Indigenous people you do have, argue that unofficially the Argentine government is continuing that genocide TODAY (now), to make room for Soy instead of Indians.
51: Think
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My feelings are hurt - do you have any idea how many of my ( increasingly compromised ) brain cells I used up in that post? And “Britain is over it” is the part you have a problem with?
(59) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Juppppppppppppppp.......
As Flaubert used to say.........: “Le bon Dieu est dans le détail” .....
God-spottingly anglified by “Les Goddams” to..: “The Devil is in the detail.....”
12,000,000 “sq. details” in the South Atlantic is my beef with England....
No more.....
No less....
Ps:
Your post 48 was ok....
Nice to see somebody remembers the International Brigades.
@48 Heisenbergcontext
Jun 05th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your post was indeed both informative and eloquent, but you must surely realise that USA participation in WW2 as far as the Germans were concerned was irrelevant. The Germans had already lost, they were checked by the Russians it was only a mater of time before Russia defeated them. It was stalemate with the British in the West and the Middle East.
What the USA did, was stop the Russians from occupying all of Europe!!
This would not have made any difference to Britain and the outcome of the war. It really would not have made any difference how much territory Russia occupied, their form of Socialism was doomed to fail……as it did and collapse was inevitable.
@51
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You indeed have a problem with British Overseas territories in the South Atlantic, because while Britain is over with Empires (having peacefully passed 1/3 of the land surface of the planet to the inhabitants of each territory), YOU and ARGENTINA are not.
Argentina has never returned the land it stole to the indigenous people, in fact it always has looked to steal more, and still does.
Argentines were genocidal colonialists, are genocidal colonialists, and if your ethnic cleansing posts are anything to go by, have no intention of ever stopping from being genocidal colonialists.
Britain stopped trying to govern people against their will decades ago, heck they are even giving referenda to populations where it looks like a significant majority don't want independence.
Argentina on the other hand, want to evict people from land which Argentina never owned, try and weasel around the UN Charter, and blame everyone and anyone for their rotting country.
Your trolling highlights Argentinas continued and growing colonial aspirations, and further highlights Britains excellent relationship with former colonies.
Well done Thunk!
There are words and then more words
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some words people laugh at [example] words from CFK lol.
Some words are respected [ example] words from the Falklanders,
Some words from the wise people [example] W.I.S.E.
[W] =Wales
[I]= Ireland
[S] = Scotland
[E] =England
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Enough said we thinks lol.
.
It is becoming more and more common to find elected South American politicians openly questioning why everybody has to follow Argentina's confrontational and colonial attitude. (As so many of them have been subject to Argentine colonial ambitions over the years it is hardly surprising)
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its also noticeable that even the regular multi-account trolls and sock-puppet pre-Argentines have stopped claiming “100% support across all LATAM!”
The fact is that the FI is getting its message across as a people whilst Argentina continues to sideline itself with its colonial attitude and usual arrogance within SA... not too mention failing to distract that many of her own people from the burgeoning economic problems it is suffering.
And, oddly enough, over on the Falklands everything is not only rosy, but other, non-Argentine, countries are looking to get a slice of the pie.
As we have seen, as has been proven by action: the Argentine Government has taken the wrong approach and is loosing all support other than that of lip-service...and the C24 is looking even more fragile and useless.
FI under Argentine rule by 2020?
i dont think so.
But look on the bright side,
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have CFK,
they win nothing , achieve nothing,
and will get nothing,
what more could they ask for lol.
@63
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or……. and this is just a thought?
[E] =England
[N] Northern
[I]= Ireland
[W] =Wales
[S] = Scotland
A Backward SWINE
Enough said we thinks :-)))
60 Think & 61_ Voice etal
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many people commentating here whose grasp of the facts concerning the Falklands/Malvinas far exceeds my own, I'll leave it to them to debate those aspects of the subject at hand. The reality is though, in 2013, that Britain has no choice in the matter. They are duty bound to look after the Islanders interests. It's not the same attitude that led them to the Islands in the first place. Abandoning or placing pressure on the Islanders to accept Argentine rule would be unthinkable. No government that did so could ever hope to be re- elected - they would live in infamy. You're far too intelligent not to realise this. Choosing to perceive yourselves as victims serves no-ones interests. In the future who knows, a different attitude might produce different possibilities. What have you got to lose - other than joy of ruffling feathers at will, something that can only produce increasingly diminishing results.
I suspect Think/Voice that you are a gentleman at heart in a world that has decided that gentlemen are obselete and this is the windmill you've decided to tilt, and it's exactly that sensibility that will bring peace to this dispute. Not the powerless impotent victim.
You forgot to mention D-Day, the invasion of Italy by U.S forces which was bitterly defended by the Nazis, and the Pacific War, which was apocolyptic in loss of life and destruction. And that's just for starters. Nothing was certain until near the end.
Think is sunk...just like the Rg navy. Think has a beef..its corned beef, canned steamed and labelled . Eat your porridge and keep on posting your wailng beefs, for us its entertainment!
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...blah blah blah
We titter....
@60
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the south atlantic is my beef with England, no more, no less”
I 'think' you may, in hind sight, wish to change England for Britain in that statement, on the basis that there isn't an English government and we have just had two Scottish Prime Ministers.
Anyhoo, what exactly do you intend to do about it?
Who exactly in Argentina or even South America is up to the task of getting rid of us?
Your president has tried every dirty trick in the book and has got precisely nowhere, you are completely impotent militarily, and your neighbours are growing tired of your parrot-like rhetoric as they can see for themselves that the reality is very different from your continual lies, they would certainly not put their soldiers lives and shiny new ships in harms way for Argentina's pride.
All you have, day in, day out, is name calling whilst your country is hurtling towards economic disaster, whilst our military machine gets more and more advanced, sophisticated and very deadly.
You are a Donkey that wants to be a thoroughbred Stallion, it wont happen!
Sometimes you just have to grow up and accept that you cannot have everything that you want.
“The Islanders are not an autonomous people but a ‘transplanted’ population ”
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, every single person born on the Islands since the 19th century is autonomous. The population can only be transplanted if for instance it is like Spain's penal colonies pre-1810 and the UP's penal colony of 1832.
If people voluntarily go to the Falklands they cannot be transplanted. It's impossible.
For instance if the UK troops were sent/ordered down to the Falklands then ordered to stay and live there-that would be a transplanted population.
Voluntary settlers cannot be transplanted, nor can shipwrecked sailors who chose to stay in the Falklands. Even the Argentine/South American Gauchos who worked for Lafone, were not transplanted as they came of their own free will.
Transplantation in the Falkland islands is a South American myth, like saying that the sky is yellow rather than blue. No amount of repeating the sky is yellow will make it so.
Quote “The Islanders are not an autonomous people but a ‘transplanted’ population which is dependent on the British crown” said Martinez Huelmo adding that the Argentine arguments to claim sovereignty are far more solid than those exposed by the United Kingdom.”
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder whether Martínez Huelmo has ever perused the British claim and compared it with the myths and fairy tales of the Argentine nonsensical claim.
(67) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t try to sell me that one!
The ~1,500 Malvinas born British Kelpers interests can easily be served by England paying each and every one of their connationals a fair cash compensation and relocating them to England……
Just a one lane widening of England capital city of London’s M25 would require the relocation of as many people...... and nobody would even lift an eyebrow about that.
Besides…......... English Councils are “relocating” (aka kicking around) a similar amount of British Travelers’ each year and no English Council is “living in infamy” about that….., as far as I know.
There are only two reasons for England’s presence in the South Atlantic..:
Resources and Territories.
Seems to be a very heated debate going on here.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not so sure trading with people that would take your liberty at the drop of a hat is such a good idea, but it does not hurt to keep your options open.
So it seems ( if I am reading this right) that the Falklands is considered transplanted in SA because it is dependent on the UK. Strange arguement. I wonder how that would be any different to if they were dependent on Argentina?
What's that? It wouldn't, it would be a colonial situation?
Really now...well what if Argentina absorbed the Falklands into a part of the mainland? Oh...no difference, because as we have seen with Argentinean's own arguement regarding French Polynesia: if the Island population want to have a vote on SELF-DETERMINATION then that is what they can have (unless Argentineans are hypocrites).
How about if loads of Argentineans move to the islands against the immigration wishes of the Falklanders and warp any democratic vote? Well that actually IS a transplanted population, as described by the UN and the vote results would be void (not that that has stopped China flooding Tibet with no action from the UN).
I 'THINK' we can all see why Ban Ki Moon is getting a bit sick of this nonsense from the C24 and Argentina.
@27 Could you explain why Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, Brazil and Mexico thought it was “their” business? Usefully, in a link to be found earlier today, argieland is found to have been criminally defaulting for nearly 200 years. So, “70 years ago” was nothing new. Argieland has been indulging in criminal activities right from its start. A true criminal state. And criminals are, of course, cowards. In 1982, when the argies ran, it was in their genes. They always run. See Britain can admit what it did. But the French, the Spanish, the Italians, argies don't. Always “someone else” or part of their “glorious” history. Southern slugs.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 The “point” is to show you what you are. Cowardly, big mouth wankers.
@32 Morals? Sorry, you don't have any. But then, you've always been gutless cowards.
@33 Did you know that you're brain-dead?
@35 No. We know our history. Do you know yours? Then why don't you admit it? Take that argie population that was “expelled” from the Falklands in 1833. Except that it wasn't argie and it wasn't expelled. See, you have no concept of honesty or truth.
@36 How about; the USA was locked into “isolationism”. Can't quarrel with that. One of your Campora chums advocates it. Then it got attacked. And needed a vastly more experienced ally. After all, Britain had already started winning!
@51 Not “being squatted”. Owned. Under legal title. That faggotland doesn't have. Want to try to “recover” it? Want to watch the blood gushing out of your tv?
@57 Sorry, divot, ”And the UK invaded us THREE times since 1806 (and failed). In other words, they declared war on us and wanted to exterminate us.“ And your criminal REBELLION started when? 1810, was it? And, no, war wasn't declared on ”you“. ”You“ didn't exist. Actually, you barely ”exist” now.
@61 Another divot. Rommel was beaten by the British. The American landings were a training exercise. Didn't have a clue what they were doing. Pity we didn't have some argies. Sandbags!
@72 Think
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know quite a few people have spoken about how lazy Argentineans are, but come on Thinko!!!
Not only are you talking about ethnic cleansing (as I have told you before when you lower the tone it is a great indicator that we have you on the ropes), but you expect the UK to carry out all your dirty work and foot the bill.
Might I suggest that since you have no real say in the Falklands, you could possibly propose an evacuation of Argentina? I think Spain would be the most appropriate country to pick up the tab for any compensation. Maybe then the indigenous population could actually set up some sort of immigration control measures and choose who they want to let return.
Do you 'Think' they would have you?
Chuckle Chuckle
@72
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There are only two reasons for England’s presence in the South Atlantic..:”
Yes, Self and Determination.
72 Think - your idea would place UK in 100% Breach of the founding constitution of the UN! I appreciate its nothing to 21st Century Argentina to break Int Agreements and Human Rights principles as it thinks fit- but many counties are a bit more “grown up” in the 21st century.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will never happen - why? - because we the people of the Islands do not want to go and live somewhere else - we are no more “transplanted” than you are - perhaps less.
33Islas Malvinas - Please tell me- and show the evidence as to excatly WHICH nation is exploiting resources within the Islands EEZs? All resources belong to the Islands Govt and all revenues from their controlled and licensed exploitation accrue 100% to the Islands Govt.
If not - please show us your evidence?
Yes- Companies - be they Spanish,Taiwanese,Korean,Japanes,Chinese.USA,S.America who operate here no doubt make a profit as well - but that is exactly the same as anywhere else - even in your Country!
No Arg blockade? So why are foreign cruise liners given hassle if they come here and Argentina? Why do you refuse all commercial overflights to the Islands other than the one Lan flight a week? Why does your Coastguard hassle 3rd country flag vesessls trading between the Islands and Chile and Uruguay? Why did Argentina threaten financial damages to European shipping lines who operate to Argentina if they dared to operate container vessel links to the islands as well?
Shall I go on? - Better for all of us if you just grow-up and shut-up I think!
@72
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or the 1500 Falklands born civilians can stay in their homes, and that of their ancestors, and Britain can ensure that Argentinas continued genocidal expansionism can be halted at Patagonia.
Sounds far more reasonable.
There are only two reasons Argentina wants to steal these people's homes, resources and to divert morons attention away from their shithole economic situation.
72 Think
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ The 15oo Malvinas born British Kelpers interests can easily be served by England paying each and every one of their connationals a fair cash compensation and relocating them to England....”
Even if that were true it's never going to happen is it? Not so long as the Islanders have a choice and Britain has the means to defend them. They don't want to leave - it's their home after all. It's not really about resources or territories or even self-determination (however sincere the Islanders are about that particular right), it's about realpolitic. It's because 30 years ago Argentina forced Britain to make a choice, however reluctantly, and these are the consequences. They can inflict considerable discomfort on Britain for as long as they wish and still nothing will change. Realpolitic.
I understand the seductiveness of lost causes. I also understand the pain of holding onto them, and the fear of letting go that perpetuates that pain. The pain that Argentina feels is entirely self-inflicted.
79 Heisenbergcontext
Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EXCELLENT POST!
80 Chris R
Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merci.
(79) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your post (69) was a bad case of “Sentimentalpolitik”.
Your post (79) is not much better... even if you identify it as “Realpolitik”.
If you like that German word, I would suggest you to check its roots and meaning..........
Something about Territories and Resources, young lad.
Territories and Resources.
42 Terence Hill (#)
Jun 06th, 2013 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“He who lives by the crystal ball soon learns to eat ground glass.”--Edgar R. Fiedler
Me -
“[A] quotation is a handy thing to have about, saving one the trouble of thinking for oneself, always a laborious business.”
(The Record Lie)”
― A.A. Milne, If I M
“You'll find a quote to fit almost any situation if you look around online a bit”
-- Me.
@79 Heisenbergcontext :“It's because 30 years ago Argentina forced Britain to make a choice, however reluctantly, and these are the consequences. ”
Jun 06th, 2013 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I really hope you are not going down the 'UK fought a war/UK blood was spilled therefore the Falklands can never join Argentina' line...because it is simply not true. WHATEVER the islanders choose for their future, the UK will respect.
This is about doing the right thing here and now.
@82 Think:
I can't help but fall into Benny Hill mode when you clearly arouse your self by setting up some display of language skills that, quite frankly, impresses no other people on this website.
Stop exploring your 'Territories and Resources' put away your old man and realise you are constantly being bested on the topics that this website highlights, so trying to display superior intellect through multilingual skills simply does not wash.
0/10 on this thread must try HARDER (oo-er missus)
83 Vestige
Jun 06th, 2013 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that as deep as your thinking goes making predictions?
26 Vestige
”Unlike the ~3000 blow-ins. (the very few long term inbreds excepted) who should really be figuring out a favorable way out of their precarious and ultimately inevitably doomed venture.“
”The herd instinct among forecasters makes sheep look like independent thinkers. ”--Edgar R. Fiedler
85 Terence
Jun 06th, 2013 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad you responded to the “blow-ins” and “inbred” comment.
It was particularly nasty and obviously aimed not towards a point of historical or legal principle, but a hateful racial remark against Falklanders and non-Argentinians ( ie. against the hereditary and rightful inhabitants of the islands)
82 : Think
Jun 06th, 2013 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't actually write post 69 - I an barely handle one identity. It's funny that you should use the word sentiment ( or a derivation of the same ) since that is precisely how I perceive the Argentine relationship feeling the Islands. It is not 'love'. What you are in love with is an idea not a place. Britain does not love the Islands, nor do the British love the Islanders themselves or sentimentalise them, which does not mean that they are without affection or sympathy for their position. The only people who truly love the Islands are the people who live there.
Britain will indeed respect the Islanders wishes, not because it's the right thing to do even though it is the right thing to do, because the only way the situation you describe in post 72 would come to pass is if the U.K. had been intimidated into it. And that, my friend, would be intolerable. Every single individual or nation that continues to berate the British for what a handful of some of their ancestors did centuries ago would be intoxicated with glee and everyone in Britain with a fully developed cerebral cortex would be aware of it. The pain would be excruciating and the govt. of the day could look forward to a generation in the political wilderness.
If you truly want to govern the Islands as opposed to endlessly bitching about the injustice of it all you are going to have to develop connections based on trust and good faith. On finding common ground. You need to abstain from the fantasy of instant gratification and learn patience. Would it not be so much sweeter if the Islanders actually chose to identify with their neighbours instead of being bullied into it.
p.s. It's a long time since anyone described me as being a 'young lad'. My grey hair thanks you.
I just washed a load of socks and then jump on here to find half a dozen sock puppets.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's quite pathetic Think. They aren't even believable.
@82
Jun 06th, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's only about Territory and Resources if you subscribe to the plunder-based economic model first implemented in South America by the Spanish Empire and perpetuated since then by their more clueless successors, including notably the present Argentine government.
In fact the smart money realised as far back as the 19th century that seizure of territory was a rather inefficient method of providing a return on capital, and this is one of the main reasons Britain no longer has an empire. Why on earth would some islands in the South Atlantic be the sole exception?
Indeed the UK would at one time have been perfectly happy to turn the islands over to you, but that was before, as Heisenbergcontext points out, your deluded sense of entitlement made it impossible for any UK government to do so and survive, even if one wanted to.
And now it appears for all your pretension your fantasy is based on little more than ethnic hostility, Serbian-style. Seems the modern world has passed you by, Slobodan.
@HansNiesund
Jun 06th, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Posts 87 & 89, very well stated if I may say so.
This thread, in my opinion, has wandered 'way off topic' which is, as I see it, that a high ranking S.A. politician has had the 'nerve' (balls) to speak out about the way the 'Falklands Situation' is detrimentally effecting not only Argentina but other S.A. countries who are being 'forced' by Argentina to follow Argentina's bidding.
As the discussion has wandered, at least partially, to the 'rights and wrongs' of each of the claims let us briefly examine them and try, as impartially as possible to evaluate them.
A few months ago I tried this exercise on my own. I sent an email to the Embassy of Argentina in Washington DC and asked for brief information on 'their' claim. I was referred to the following website:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
This appears to be an almost a repeat of what Ruda told the UN in 1964 with slight updates for what happened in the interim period. This is dissected in some detail in this document:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
In 2007 Argentina held a seminar at the London School of Economics where they essentially said the same as Ruda but with slight updates as
noted above. I have so far been unable to locate a copy of the pamphlet that Argentina distributed at that seminar but the following document, generated in response gives, I believe, a good indication:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
Many of the 'facts' stated from both 'sides' cannot be easily verified by the average 'joe in the street' but one can, the agreement between Britain and Spain over Port Egmont where Spain returned the Port to Britain. The actual wording is given in the above referenced document, on page 7, together with an earlier 'proposed' wording which Britain rejected.
The Argentine website referenced above still uses the 'proposed' wording.
As this error has been known for some time but not corrected by the Argentine Government.
I love our beautiful and resource rich South Atlantic territories and maritime space.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0What makes it all the more satisfying to own these vast tracts of mother earth is the way it so aggravates the Argentine peeps.
I ran out of characters for my post #90 above, to continue.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0It can, in my opinion lead to two conclusions:
1. The Government of Argentina has no interest in presenting a factual account. we are all human and we all make mistakes. The more mature of us acknowledge those mistakes, try to explain, where possible, how/why the mistake was made, take corrective action if possible and finally apologise for the results of said mistake.
2. How many more untruths are there in the claim by Argentina, I suspect a great many?
@92
Jun 06th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine claim is “whatever they think they can get away with, to whatever audience they are trying to bullshit”.
We have had representatives of member states at the UN as recently as 2008 (Nicaragua) STILL claiming that a civilian Argentine population was expelled in 1833. This is a BLATANT lie.
Until Argentina is prepared to stand by the TRUTH of the history, the animosity will continue.
-THERE WAS NO INHERITANCE FROM SPAIN.
-THERE NEVER HAS BEEN AN ARGENTINE POPULATION.
-THE ISLANDERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHATEVER GOVERNMENT THEY WANT.
You can dissect each of those three points in turn, and weasel very weak arguments to debate any of them, they have been done to death on these boards, but the three facts remain.
What is a shame is that had they “played it differently” the islands possibly could have far deeper ties with Argentina, perhaps by now even be a Province of Argentina, but successive stupid, cretinous, corrupt and greedy Argentine governments have destroyed that chance.
Oh well!!
THERE WAS INHERITANCE FROM SPAIN. (ARGENTINA IS AN INHERITANCE)
Jun 06th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THERE HAS BEEN ARGENTINE PEOPLE (EVEN A GOVERNOR HAD A DAUGHTER THERE)
THE ISLANDERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHATEVER GOVERNMENT THEY LIKE IN THE ISLE OF UK.
94 malen
Jun 06th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear! You have just confirmed what a stupid female Argentine you are.
Related to TMBOA perhaps?
@94
Jun 06th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed,
Argentina was inherited from Spain by the people that lived there.
Bolivia was inherited from Spain by the people that lived there.
Paraguay was inherited from Spain by the people that lived there.
Uruguay was inherited from Spain by the people that lived there.
Chile was inherited from Spain by the people that lived there.
The Falklands...oh shit..nobody was living there..no inheritance, certainly not to a country that the last inhabitants fought against, and didn't move to...
Luis Vernet was never governor, nor Argentine. When he left voluntarily the islands (with his daughter) he left a British person in charge to run the business. Matthew Brisbane remained in charge of the business both before and after Jan 6th 1833. None of the community (not Argentine) were ever evicted.
The islanders (like everyone else in the Americas) can determine their form of government wherever they live today. That is the Falklands, and 99.8% just chose to be a British Overseas Territory.
Thanks for the reply though Malen, just shows the weakness of your argument.
There is NOTHING to suggest that Argentina inherited the islands from Spain, as opposed to Uruguay (a much stronger claim as it was the destination of the last settlers), Chile (a stronger claim geographically) or Britain (a stronger claim historically)....
The Vernet community was not Argentine. Nor was it any more than a business. Norway Vernet governor, nor was he or his daughter on the islands in 1833 or for the previous 2 years, nor did he ever return, and he made full and final settlement with the UK on his business interests.
The islanders have the same right to self determination as you or I , in their homeland, the Falkands.
(87) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 06th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you didn't write post 69… I meant to type ”67”….
I handle just one identity myself too.
Please do not include me in your ”Argentinean sentimental relationship with them Islands” perception.
No love nor hate from my side……. just some beef with the Imperial Goddams because of their attempt of stealing 12,0000,000 km2 of our South Atlantic Territory.
That’s a lot of territory to steal…
Ps:
Born in Africa and some gray hair vouching for the worst follies of youth being over…
Nice to know one has chosen wisely an Anglo poster to waste ones time with.......... ;-)
@16 Mr. Stink...
Jun 06th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you know I don't hang out here much... but I note a lot of your comments to be rather inane.
I refer to 1980/81 when Shell executed a regional campaign around the islands in conjunction with some deep water exploration off of Tierra del Fuego. Operations all based strangely enough right out of Argentina. It was at that time deemed, that the potential for good traps and fans existed. Try to clarify you research before you spew your rhetoric.
It may in fact be somewhat related to the intended attempt to force the Islanders out. The invasion may not have solely been the bumbling's of an alcoholic numpty trying to defer attention away from his inability to lead a country through raging hyperinflation.
All of the recent sabre rattling sounds much the same to me. The grand wazoo appears to be trying the same technique all over again. This time however there is no chance of invasion because the government has neither the equipment nor personnel to even think of it again.
I feel sorry for you lot really. I lived in Argentina for many years and was successful until the first default. I find that the country is a true gem in terms of ambiance and vista. Sadly though the mentality of the populous and people in control is not up to the same standard. I mean really, can everyone still believe that you can succeed by trying to screw each other out of anything and everything. Theft is not the answer!
I moved on and am better for it. You all might try the same.
Try not to be such a pratt!
97 Think:
Jun 06th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Think I will hereby cease & desist from any attempt to turn you into a hippie.
p.s. I hope there are more follies to come -they keep my ego ( barely ) in check.
Nice of him to say this, though in the end it is not going to influence the future of Islands in the slightest. Much like Argentina really.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(98) Mick23
Jun 06th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”I refer to 1980/81 when SHELL executed a regional campaign around the islands in conjunction with some deep water exploration off Tierra del Fuego. Operations all based strangely enough right out of Argentina.”
I say…:
Off the top of my head……, the ONLY companies prospecting on the Malvinas sub basin during 1980 and 1981 were:
EXXON, YACIMIENTOS PETROLIFEROS FISCALES & OCCIDENTAL.
SHELL was NOT one of them !!!
But don’t take my word for it……
Take Borders& Southern’s….:
http://www.bordersandsouthern.com/media/pdf/Prospectus%20Final.pdf (Page 21)
Or the British Geological Survey’s ….:
http://www.bordersandsouthern.com/media/pdf/Prospectus%20Final.pdf
You seem to be a very absentminded ”Walter Micky“ South Atlantic Anglo Oil Prospector Veteran....
(99) Heisenbergcontext
If I was some 100 years younger…….. I would barter you some Ayahuasca di-wines for some of those magic Ozzie mushrooms of yours…….
Peace and love ;-)
@96 don´t waste your breath trying to argue. For any Argentinian it is a historical fact that the islands were Argentinian in 1833 and were taken from us by the UK. It doesn´t matter what is the truth, what you think is the truth, what I think is the truth or what anyone thinks is the truth. The people in Argentina will always think the islands belong to Argentina.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God think bashing on about the oil, he will be driving about on the stuff and will still not believe it exists.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101 Think :
Jun 06th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm : Ayahuasa diwines. I just had a Homer Simpson moment. Or was it an Aldous Huxley moment? I have no idea what that this but I am intrigued. As to the mm's I wouldn't inflict them on you. You seem to have a very rare form of multiple personality disorder - the consequences could be terrifying and Merco Press would probably fold and sue me for loss of business.
The real truth is the difference between brain washing,
Jun 06th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And indoctrination.
Or
Democracy =freedom of choice,
As long as the people of Argentina wish to remain argentinian ?? then we cannot give them to Iran or Spain [logical is it not]
And as long as the people of the Falklands wish to be British, we cannot or will not give them to Argentina or any other dictatorship,
That’s the truth
North-East-West-South=
News ?? lol.
.
@102
Jun 06th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does matter what is the truth, because Britain commits tax-payers money, and potentially the lives of British servicemen to defend it. 255 service personnel died defending the truth.
ARGENTINA DID NOT INHERIT THE ISLANDS FROM SPAIN.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ARGENTINE POPULATION.
THE ISLANDERS HAVE AS MUCH RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION AS ANYONE ELSE.
Based on those truths, we will continue to support the islanders all the way.
@101
Jun 06th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yesterday there was no oil exploration, today there was lots but no Shell, I don't think you're googling skills are quite “up to muster”
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/112605
@105 Briton
Jun 06th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or......and this is just a thought
…….Brainwashing, the real truth and News is, there is no North, South, East or West you live on a sphere if you head North you are also heading South…..That's the truth!
“we cannot or will not give them to Argentina”
Which is it?, must I remind you that British Orders in Council have demonstrated otherwise!!
.....“You see this? This is a ”Do whatever I want and get away with it“ badge! ” :-)
@108
Jun 06th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We WILL Not give them to Argentina.
The reason we DID not even though we wanted to before 1982 is because the islanders hated the idea, and there is no historical, moral, legal or honourable reason why we should.
The reason why we have not since 1982 is because YOU rounded up the population, held them at gunpoint, indiscriminately planted mines on their homeland, and cost nearly 1000 lives....plus the islanders still surprisingly hate the idea.
Of course, at some time in the future, the islanders might see Jose Malvinero (who posts you tube videos of their home under nuclear attack), Think (the compulsive liar with a fetish for incontinent women), and Raul (the brain-dead cut and paster) as people they'd like as sovereign bed-fellows...somehow it's unlikely, but you never know.
So, stick with WILL NOT, NOW, OR AT ANY FORSEEABLE TIME IN THE FUTURE.
@109
Jun 06th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am so glad that that you see it as, will not, as opposed to cannot but you are not a MP or a Minister or indeed a Prime Minister or any member of the British Government. You decide Nothing there is no WE in your post only You!
I think Government ideology would be, “Never say never!”
@110
Jun 06th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a “we” in my statement, because as even a complete dick like you must be aware, “we” the British electorate would absolutely anhilate any government that even suggested such a thing...because “you” the “aggressive colonialists” invaded the Falklands in 1982.
of course, we Could urinate on the graves of the 255 British servicemen, we Could ignore the UN charter, and we could hand the islands over to a pariah murderous corrupt bullying state with no legal, moral or historic claim, we COULD do all these things...and as you say, Never say Never...
however, my feeling is that our grandchildrens, grandchildren will be long buried before it would ever be a possibility....and even then a remote and extremely unlikely one..
@106 then you´ll have to defend “the truth” until the end of time. But if you think you can convince anyone in Argentina you are mistaken. We´re not even allowed to question our truth.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@111
Jun 06th, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you come back at me with nothing but how you represent the views of millions of the British Public and as usual you come back with insults……Yawn!…..because it's all you have…….a wee man, with wee man mentality and delusions of grandeur. So naive as to believe Governments ALWAYS do, as they say they will do.
I think most of the British Public don't really care a fig about the Falkland Islanders, it's more about nationalistic fervour that a Foreign Country invaded British Territory!
@94
Jun 06th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“THERE WAS INHERITANCE FROM SPAIN.”
In which document did Spain transfer their Falklands sovereignty claim to the United Provinces of the River Plate????????????????????????????????????
WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOU EVIDENCE.
The United Provinces CANNOT have inherited the Spanish claim as Spain did not drop it's claim to the Falkland Islands till later in the 19th century.
Spain dropped their claim in an official visit to the Falkland Islands where they saluted the Union Jack.
@113
Jun 07th, 2013 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You complain about insults and then throw some back...more Argie hypocrisy.
What I came back with is the reason you will NEVER see the islands in Argentine hands...and that reason is they are NOTHING to do with Argentina.
As far as representing the views of millions of British people, that's EXACTLY what I am doing. From the odious far right to the loony left there is very little that unites great swathes of the British electorate, the Falklands is one of them. There are a handful of extreme loons Galloway, morrisey...thats about it.
As far as the “wee man” is concerned, I'd try looking in the mirror.
You are pathetic, feigned concern for the British taxpayer, then another ridiculous angle, then another which contradicts your first two, wriggling around to try and find any and every pointless and ludicrous argument....and still you have none.
We know Governments don't do as they say they will...
The Argentine Government says it will pay back it's loans when it takes them out...it very rarely does.
Wow, this “A_Voice” version of “Thinkedover” is a real dick!!! - sorry dickhead Think, you won't drive a wedge between the UK taxpayer and the Islanders, you won't drive a wedge between the UK and the USA, and you won't stop the Commonwealth nations and BOT's from loving the Queen we have in common.
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think, someone must jammed a furled Union Jack so far up your arse when you were a “wee” schoolboy, that it 'addled' your brains !!
:-D
@116
Jun 07th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0His latest argument is that “Governments can change their minds” and “Never say Never”.
This is schoolboy debating...
The government might announce that hard corn pornography is part of the primary school curriculum...Never say never
the government might announce that we are cancelling state education and the NHS and are planning a one-way mission to Uranus....never say never
After all, none of us are the UK Prime Minister...and governments dont always do what they say they will.
He is pathetic..at least Trolly gives us a laugh!
116 Troy Tempest:
Jun 07th, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to disillusion you Troy but we don't love the Queen here in Australia. Don't get me wrong - we're fond of her and we respect her, she has done about as good a job as possible in defining how a monarch should behave in our day and age, but when she leaves this mortal coil the momentum behind becoming a republic will become unstoppable. And Canada will be there before us.
@118
Jun 07th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Speak for yourself mate. I could think of nothing worse than the presidential republic that the average Aussie associates with dropping the Queen. Our system works better than nearly all other countries.
I think the Chardonnay set think a republic is inevitable after the Queen dies. Thankfully public opinion keeps showing that up.
As for Canada. I take it you have never visited by the sounds of it.
Change for the sake of change is all the republic movement is.
@118 The majority of Commonwealth countries are republics and recognise the Queen as Head of the Commonwealth - Australia would have been one of them had the 1999 vote gone the other way. Canada has more pressing constitutional matters like Quebec, Senate reform, aboriginal rights, etc. without discussing the monarchy. It is however, ahead of Australia and New Zealand, having got rid of the Privy Council and the imperial honours system before Australia and New Zealand did, and adopting a distinct national flag, which neither Australia nor New Zealand have done.
Jun 07th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@119 The average Aussie has never associated a republic with a presidential system - some people wanted a President elected by Parliament, like Germany, others wanted a President directly elected by the people, like Austria, but in a parliamentary system, with a ceremonial head of state. As I've said before, Latin American countries should have adopted parliamentary systems.
119: Anglotino
Jun 07th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Our system may well work better than other's but it's the Queen's character ( and a large dose of apathy ), as well as how complicated extricating ourselves from this situation would be, that keeps us attached to a monarchy.
It's about identity, not political systems. 'King Charles' really doesn't have the same ring does it? By the way I don't even drink alcohol, let alone chardonnay - is it a prerequisite of being a republican?
Since you clearly don't think i'm your 'mate' why use the term? There are more honest ways of saying you don't like me.
Just going back to Argentina's history during WWII, read The Real Odessa - How Peron Brought the Nazi Criminals to Argentina- written by Uki Goni, an Argentine.
Jun 07th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Political savvy and opportunism are too polite.....Argentina's government(s) were anti-semitic, sentencing thousands to their deaths by refusing visas. Nazis, though, were rushed through. Goni shows evidence in his book that this was systematically carried out by officials from Peron down. This is no US or European author but an Argentine author that can honestly admit failings in his country and the attempts to alter history by corrupt officials. It's a pity many of his countrymen can't do the same.
@115
Jun 07th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here we go , here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go here, we goooo (Sousa)
Same old thing……beaten me again with Nothing.
“Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me-with nothin'.” -Dragline
“Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.” -Luke
You really should strike a deal with GALLUP……when they need to know conclusive British opinion…….just rattle the cage of the magic Monkey for HIS opinion!……Do you do any other tricks?
The only true and important sentence in your whole post was:
……..“We know Governments don't do as they say they will…”
Which makes a mockery of the whole basis of your argument!
@116
The Canadian wannabe, again demonstrating your total lack of understanding of the British.
Even in the UK itself, support for the Queen and the royal “Hooray Henrys” is very much divided.
You try and grasp British vernacular and keep failing miserably……““wee” schoolboy”…….What are you trying to say? Surely a schoolboy would be “wee”
I was talking about “Wee Man mentality”…….means the same as ”Napoleon Complex……. in Scottish vernacular!!
Stop embarrassing yourself………Canadian!!
You will never be British…….try and come to terms with it!
I have no need to drive a wedge anywhere…….so much more Commonwealth solidarity read posts……118 to 121 ;-)
God save our gracious King, Long live our noble King…….
@121 Heisenbergcontext
Jun 07th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you said you were an Aussie.
Coz mate, something didn't ring true in your last post.
(121) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 07th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind Anglolatino........
He is justan Ozzie obsessed with Argie sock- puppets...
He would luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv to prove you to be one...
But he is afraid to ask and find out that you're “Aussier” than him ;-)))
(122) La Patria
You say....:
“ This is no US or European author but an Argentine author that can honestly admit failings in his country and the attempts to alter history by corrupt officials.”
Just for the record, I’ll say....:
This is an US BORN AND RAISED author that has written a interesting and entertaining but also inflated, overblown and exaggerated book about the escape of some Nazis to Argentina after WWII.
Why do you Anglo Turnips find it necessary to lie even about the most elemental things?
@121
Jun 07th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Charles would be expected being English to do the right thing.......and not take kingship and pass it to his son.......Its a British thing!!
@123
Jun 07th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see you have finally flipped...and now are talking complete drivel to go along with your normal bullsit.
The basis for your argument is that even though something is completely against the will of the population, would probably be voted down by 99% of the current MPs in parliament, is against the UN Charter and the existing position of the Government, and would be a direct insult to those servicemen who sacrificed their lives in 1982...It MIGHT HAPPEN...LOL.
In that Nothing is 100% impossible.
Aliens may land next week
Cristina Fernandez may become attractive
Peadophilia may become socially acceptable
Argentina may pay its debts in full and on time
You might put forward a coherent argument
Brtian may hand the falklands to Argentina..
Based on all available information, all the above a million to one in chance...BUT THEY MIGHT HAPPEN. Thats it, thats your argument...
As far as a deal with Gallup is concerned, they should talk to you A_hole, we have carried out our poll, and absolutely nobody supports a ridiculous cause, that is both immoral and stupid...please could you go and dribble a load of shite about it on a message board..we need someone to look a complete tit..!
you'd be perfect!
@127
Jun 07th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please supply the links to corroborate a poll of the UK population
“we have carried out our poll, and absolutely nobody supports a ridiculous cause”
Or…….and this is just a thought……Shut the F…CK up! and finally realise that you keep representing your own opinion and not everyones!
(126) A_Voice
Jun 07th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Serious question.....:
Please give me one RATIONAL, VALID OR LOGICAL reason why Prince Charles should abdicate in favour of William.....
@12 Think
Jun 07th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no rational or logical reason, but I believe that in the minds of the British people he is tainted.......think Edward and Mrs Simpson.
He would not be a gentleman if he took the Kingship. He would not have the support of the hearts and minds of the British, it is unthinkable that he take it!
130 A_Voice
Jun 07th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sooooo......
The answer is then, that Charles has to abdicate because the ticket paying turnips at the Circus demand it?
Out with the mature, experienced, complex and highly educated Prince.
In with the young Prince... the one that has been playing with guns almost his entire mature life.....
Wise as hell......................
@ Think
Jun 07th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't expect you to understand........he knows it himself.....ha ha and what do you mean highly educated? I think Diana had more O levels than him and that was as much as she had.
He will do it to himself for the sake of the Monarchy, not because it's demanded!
(132) A_Voice
Jun 07th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) True education has preciously little to do with O levels.........
2) “For the sake of the Monarchy” he should not abdicate.
3) “For the sake of the Monarchy's survival in confront of the percieved demands of the ticket paying turnips at the Circus ” you are quite possibly right.
Oooh get A-hole getting all angry because he's shown to be a dick.
Jun 07th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL what a cretin.
@134
Jun 07th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that you have neither provided the link nor shut up.......typical, as I said .....Nothing!!
124 Anglotino:
Jun 07th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sigh... me & my big mouth. I KNEW this was going to happen... eventually. When I composed my last post I was watching Essendon get over the line against the Blues while steam was coming out of Micky Malthouse's ears - always an amusing sight. Good game -perhaps you too were watching? I'm a Dockers fan myself - grew up in W.A. in South Fremantle recruiting district ( go the mighty Bulldogs! ). Aussie enough for you cobber? You're probably a Collingwood fan.
I actually have dual nationality - both my parents were British citizens - although I haven't used my British passport in nearly 30 years. I lived in the U.K between '79 & '85 arriving the day after the late Baroness Thatcher was elected P.M. The sense of defeat and pessimism was nearly palpable back then, especially after living in Australia during the 70's when the country was bursting with optimisim and confidence ( and testosterone ). It was interesting to see the nation's collective spine stiffen after the Falklands invasion - they forgot about their misery for a while.
So Anglotino, cobber, what part of my last post 'didn't ring true?
p.s. Bear in mind that as both a sandgroper and a croweater & your're a Victorian i've been extremely civil to you I think.
p.p.s. I humbly apologise to anyone who has had to read all this crap .
136
Jun 07th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“p.p.s. I humbly apologise to anyone who has had to read all this crap .”
That “crap” is a mere sideshow to the Argentine and his sock, A_Voice, lecturing on and on about what it is to be British,
LOL !!
Sorry, jealous malcontent, you will never be a Brit and Uruguay is entitled to associate with whomever they wish. A nice change from the dysfunctional government of their neighbour.
:-)
“Have a nice day”
108 A_Voice
Jun 07th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If technically was used in everything, then nothing would ever get done, or technically would not exist..
Mmm
but.
and News is, there is no North, South, East or West you live on a sphere
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To accept this motion we would all live in one place, that was not north east west or south,
But merely a place , that is technically nowhere. Lol.
But in fact if you went north- or in your case round,, you would eventually come back to the place you stated at,
As if you went west- you would just end up back where you started.
So the point would be,
Why bother to walk, anywhere if you are going to end up back in the same place you left [eventually]
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We cannot or will not give them to Argentina”
Which is it?, must I remind you that British Orders in Council have demonstrated otherwise!!
.....“You see this? This is a ”Do whatever I want and get away with it“ badge
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This thus proves that the greatest enemy not only to the Falklands, but to Argentina and every /all
countries, has to be politicians,
but hey look on the bright side
CFK will never get the british falklands in her lifetime,
unless you know something we mortals do not lol.
As they can never be trusted,
Today they defend your rights, and tomorrow they defend the next highest bidders rights,
Corruption old chap, purely corruption..lol.
@135
Jun 07th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you, and next time you can do your own googling you lazy Argie twat:
Yougov poll March 2013: 1866 Adults
Do you think the people currently living in the Falkland Islands should or should not have a say over whether the Islands are British or Argentinian?
The people currently living there should have a say over whether the Islands are British or Argentinean
88%
The people currently living there should NOT have a say over whether the Islands are British or Argentinian
4%
COMRES Poll January 2013 2052 adults
“The future of the Falkland Islands should be determined by the Islanders themselves”
Agree 76%
Disagree 7%
Don’t know 18%
So, there you go, A-Hole....you got 4-7%.
There aren't many polls that decisive. I am happy with representing 76-88% as well as myself.
I am sure your next post will be something about polling errors or some ridiculous other shite....perhaps it s you who should shut the fuck up.
to myself.
Jun 07th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it looked ok , till i posted it, then it looked even more confusing,
oh well, i understand it lol.
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139
eye totaly agree with you ..
(136) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 07th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sound quite Australian to me….
You MUST be one of Anglotino’s Sock- puppets ;-)))
Anyhow……..
Any Ocker in here that can tell me if the corks on a Hobbly-bob are Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc?
@139
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fool, wondered how long it would take you to find it. I noticed you steered away from providing the link.......
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2012/04/10/falklands-war-britain-and-argentina/
Wouldn't want people to know what the Brit Public really think eh!
Like....
More British people would support opening negotiations with Argentina over the future of the Falklands than would oppose it – 37% would support negotiations, with 25% opposed. The overwhelming majority (83%) of Argentinians would support negotiation.
Hehe the devils in the details!
@138 Briton
You were losing it a bit there!
Don't want to confuse you more but......if you stand at the top of the North Pole the only direction is South.....and the South Pole the only direction is North. So where do you stand so the only direction is West or East?
Of course, in the polls I posted the question only pertains to whether the islanders should have the right to self-determination.
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is probably the most accurate reflection of the British people's views, as it allows them not to “feel guilty” about colonialism (even though the Falklands is not an example of colonialism), nor does it require any kind of party political stand-point...I.e do you agree with Labour/Conservative, which always throw up odd balls. Nor indeed does it offer a liberal “out”...
It is quite simply, do you think the islanders have a say/should determine their own future. The results are compelling.
Of course, we know what happens if we ask the islanders to take a view...99.8% support the status quo.
It may be that I have been too generous in offering A-Hole the 4-7% as of course some of those may wish for an alternate solution to Argentine sovereignty, they may well believe that the islands shouldn't have a say and London should decide.
No matter..LOL.
142 A_Voice
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks…
But
Where do you stand so the only direction is West or East?
Mmmmmmm
I think it would be the same, except you would just have to turn around.
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Did you know that there are still those who cannot tell the difference between the south and north poles,
lol
[anyone]
141 Think:
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglotino is undoubtably asleep now - it's about 6:30 a.m. in Melbourne about now - dreaming of sock puppets assaulting his nether regions no doubt. It's all your fault of course - I told you you were having too much fun didn't I?
His chardonnay reference btw is a hackneyed old insult employed by conservative monarchists to target the wealthy republican supporters behind the republican push. “Chardonnay socialists” as I recall. And “latte slippers”. Well, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
Sorry Think I don't know 'nuthin about no corks.
Lol A-hole
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The polls say that 88% of those polled want the islanders to have their say and support negotiations. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS OFFERED THIS YEAR IN LONDON, DICKHEAD.
But Timmerman shat himself and ran off.
We have said we will not negotiate sovereignty over the heads of the islanders, but offered to have a 3-way dialogue.
It seems the British Government is doing exactly what the electorate wants...
To be fair,
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe in democracy and the freedom to vote.
If the Falklanders wish to remain British, then really that is the end of the matter,
And Argentina should except this and move on,
After all, if the Falklanders had voted to be argentine, Argentina would have accepted this would she not, you just can’t have it both ways,
In this the 21st century we should be concentrating on feeding the poor and starving, helping backward countries to come forward, trying to eliminate diseases,
Not fighting over land that you either don’t own or have any rights to.
So come on CFK get your priorities right, concentrate on getting argentina fit and well again, and leave the Falkland people alone to live in peace.
.
@147
Jun 07th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK isn't fighting for the Falklands, she is fighting to stay in power. It's an old trick, use an imaginary enemy to divert attention.
As for the Malvinista Argentines, what have they got to lose? Nothing..that's why they persist with the charade. One day, they might get something from their bitching...sovereignty (most accept unlikely), a share of the mineral rights (it'd never be “enough”) ..but who knows...at least they have a boogie man to blame.
Personally, I think the case should go before the ICJ in 2063.
In the 50 years between now and then, Argentina must show it genuinely believes in its convictions.
1) they must return all lands stolen by them in blatant acts of 19th century colonialism (war of the desert)
2) they must remove the pirate, squatter, usurpers from Patagonia and return it to the “original population”
3) they must revoke the right to self determination of anyone with any European descendancy across Argentina, allowing only pure indigenous South Americans the vote.
4) they must make full reparation for all past and present minerals and fish stocks stolen from the Patagonian people.
Clearly, if Argentina shows that it truly believes that self-determination doesn't apply to usurped territories, implanted populations squatting on military stolen lands etc etc then it would be wrong of Britain not to allow the ICJ to determine whether the 50 militia of 1832-33 constituted an Argentine population.
Let's wait until 2063 and the four conditions are fully met, anything else would be rank hypocrisy and we wouldn't want that.
120 Britanico:
Jun 07th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forgot to thank you for the information you provided - you are better informed than I alas.
@125
Jun 07th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is lying?
Goni was raised in Ireland as well but has lived most of his life in Argentina and coming from an Argentine family (an Argentine ambassador father as a matter of fact) would in many people's opinion make him Argentine.
His background does allow him to critically evaluate his own country. He provides plenty of facts to show the huge level of Nazi influx, you call this exaggerated. Where are your facts to base this claim on?
Back to the subject.
Jun 08th, 2013 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trobo is one of the few Uruguayan politicians with his ear to the ground. He knows that the average Uruguayan has nothing against the Falklanders and is sick and tired of Argentine bullying. We've been suffering it for generations, and have nothing but sympathy for other victims.
I'm proud to say I voted for Trobo the last three elections, and intend to do so once again when we see off Frente Amplio corruption.
(150) La Patria
Jun 08th, 2013 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is lying?
You are!
You say at (150):
”Goñi was raised in Ireland as well but…coming from an Argentine family…would in many people's opinion make him Argentine.”
I say:
In “many foreign people’s” opinion, maybe, but not in most Argentinean people opinion:
A blond, fair skinned, tall, slim, green-eyed first generation person, born in Argentina, who speaks perfect Spanish, is considered by most Argentineans to be 100% “Argie”.
An offspring of a 20th generation Argentinean family, who happens to be born abroad and speaks Spanish with an accent, will forever remain a ”Gringo” in most Argentineans opinion.
At (125) you say:
”Argentina's government(s) were anti-Semitic, sentencing thousands to their deaths by refusing visas.”
I say:
Correct, but; if may add:
”During the thirties, ALL EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS were Anti-Semitic, sentencing MILLIONS of Jews to their deaths by refusing visas.”
That INCLUDES Switzerland and France who, at guns point, sent desperate fleeing Jews back to Germany.
That INCLUDES the United Kingdom that refused visas to tens of thousand of Jews…
Do your research, Turnip
Furter at (150) you say:
”He (Goñi) provides plenty of facts to show the HUGE LEVEL OF NAZI INFLUX, you call this exaggerated. Where are your facts to base this claim on?”
I say:
My facts to deny a HUGE LEVEL OF NAZI INFLUX in Argentina?
Let start with Oki Goñi’s very own book where he gives a list of 228 NAZI CRIMINALS from several Countries that fled to Argentina….
228…........ No less.....… no more…...... 228
Most of them little fish that made a living in Argentina as small business owners, small ranchers, hotel reception clerks, German language teachers etc, etc, etc.
The most emblematic of them all, Mr.Eichmann, lived in a modest house in a lower-middle class neighborhood and had a low managerial job at Mercedes Benz......
(to be continued)
152 Think:
Jun 08th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Think - I'm surprised your keyboard hasn't melted by now. You're correct about the reluctance of European nations to accept Jewish refugees. I'd add my country to that list - they didn't want to inherit “a racial problem ” is what they said at the time. Chilling in retrospect.
There were exceptions though. The Kindertransport is the most famous that I can recall. Many thousands of children were placed in foster homes in Britain after Kristallnacht. Of course at the time it was not anticipated they would be there for the duration of the war. The Attenborough brothers were one of the families who took these children in - and adopted the two girls after the war. Most of the these children's families didn't survive the Holocaust .
The attitude of their governments didn't always reflect the beliefs of their citizens. Many individuals put their own lives in peril to save Jews from detection and transportation - in France, Denmark ( particularly ), Poland where some Catholics were Christians in the best sense of the word and, of course, The Netherlands. As an example of standing up to bullies I they have few peers in my opinion.
Good morning to you, Mr. Heisenbergcontext ....
Jun 08th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0.......................continuing from (152)
…..Another “Emblematic” nazi criminal: Dr. Josef Mengele….. nobody knows…. rumors are multiple…. The Sun reported recently that he has been seen soaring over Bariloche wearing a blue Spandex bodysuit and a red cape.
As for “Unser geliebter Führer”, Adolf H., I just had a nice cupper and some Welsh pastries with him last week at the Jones Estancia, south of lake Baguilt….. Eva sends her regards to all her Anglo cousins…. Blondie; playful as always.
Maybe this is the”HUGE LEVEL OF NAZI INFLUX” in Argentina you are talking about?:
The hundreds of fascist Argentinean Military Farces officers graduated from the US Army School of the Americas, Fort Benning, Georgia, USA?
Or the four (4) Argentinean officers and criminals that, after their honorable US Army School of the Americas graduation, became military dictators in my Country, with the full approval and complicity of various USA Government(s)?
Want to talk about HUGE LEVEL OF POSITIVE HUMAN INFLUX in Argentina?...:
Focus then on the ~250.000 Argentinean Jews that live and work down here in Argentina.
The third largest Jewish community in the Americas; after the USA and Canada.
My school mates, my rowing mates, my tennis mates, my fly-fishing mates, my croquet mates, my chess mates for example…
Or my current accountant……
Or my MD…
That’s what I call a “HUGE LEVEL OF INFLUX”
Inform yourself…. Turnip!
Hi Think.....I'm the informed one mate. Unfortunately your ranting shows you're the deluded one...turnip
Jun 08th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Heisenbergcontext
Jun 08th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for those informative and detailed replies.
Now I know why things didn't ring true.
(145) Heisenbergcontext…
Jun 08th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…
”Anglotino is undoubtedly asleep now - it's about 6:30 a.m. in Melbourne about now - dreaming of sock puppets assaulting his nether regions no doubt. It's all your fault of course”
I say…:
Time in Melbourne is about 22:00 now and finally a response from your good cobber, Anglolatino......
I think you “took him aback” with all that Aussie manliness of yours ;-)
You must go easy on them Victorian Rainbow People!
They can be quite sensitive, you know?
156 Anglotino:
Jun 08th, 2013 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're welcome I guess. I'm still baffled though - you appear to have had a problem with me and I have no idea what that is.
TWIMC
Jun 08th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm baffled too about what Ozzie Mr. Anglolatino's problem with Aussie Mr. Heisenbergcontext is.....
(Says a chuckling Mr. Think from his humble Patagonian shed)
Yes Heisenbergcontext, go easy on me cobber.
Jun 08th, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think says it is “about 22:00” here. What time is it where you are? I believe you said is your current hometown is Adelaide? I gather that is where you are now.
A quick question, as you seem so accommodating in relaying information, but what happened to your British passport you spoke about in post 136?
Funnily enough I'm an actual Essendon supporter and was at the G for that thrilling game. So I can understand if you got a bit sidetracked during that thrilling finish of what has been called the match of the season when writing your post 121. You probably had to watch it on TV I'm guessing.
I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv trick questions!!!!
Jun 08th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My favorite one to spot Anglo Turnips posing as Argentineans is...:
“What colors does the flag of our fatherland have?”
(Extremly difficult question for Anglo turnips)
(Extremly easy for true Argentineans)
You turn Heisenbergcontext, cobber
Give Anglolatino hell!
157 Think
Jun 08th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moi? Manly? Nah I'm a pussycat. I cower before confrontation. You Sir, on the other hand, thrive on it. It's endlessly entertaining. By the way, I'm dying to ask: did you have a classical education?
(162) Heisenbergcontext
Jun 08th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Partially......
160 Anglotino:
Jun 08th, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to know what time it is in Adelaide just subtract 30 mins from from where you are, I'm sure you can manage. Have no idea why you want to know what happened to my passport, but if you must I lost the damn thing ( or it was stolen ) about 20 years ago along with my Australian passport and Tanzanian birth certificate. The British consulate in Perth ( very pleasant people ) told me that the nearest Tanzanian Embassy is in Japan, so getting a knew one is problematic.
It's ok though, when I returned to ( a much changed ) Australia I had no desire to travel overseas ever again. Glad your team won - I was going for the Bombers too. And yes I watched the game live on 7 - you can watch replays on the AFL website but I don't see the point.
Heisenbergcontext
Jun 08th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I thought Adelaide was 30 minutes behind Melbourne. Which is why I was confused by your post 145:
“Anglotino is undoubtably asleep now - it's about 6:30 a.m. in Melbourne about now - dreaming of sock puppets assaulting his nether regions no doubt. It's all your fault of course - I told you you were having too much fun didn't I?”
Too much fun indeed. Blindness is around the corner.
Posted 7.25pm UTC which means it was 4.55am ACST. So how did you then think it was 6.30 in Melbourne?
Every Freo supporter I know was rooting for Carlton but then again you were replying to lil' ol' me during the most exciting quarter this season. Both weird priorities.
Anyway off to dream about sockpuppets I guess. I'm sure the conversation I read tomorrow will be as illuminating as it was today.
Funny how this has drifted off-topic. Perhaps you can get a Tanzanian birth certificate from the same people who created Barack Obama's Kenyan one - http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp Are you sure yours was Tanzanian, not Tanganyikan?
Jun 08th, 2013 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What colors does the flag of our fatherland have?”
(Extremly easy for true Argentineans)
Sky blue, white and black - http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp
165 Anglotino:
Jun 08th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be laboring under the impression I owe you some kind of explanation. Sweet dreams.
(166) britanico
Jun 08th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asked...:
“What colors does the flag of our fatherland have?”
You answered...:
“Sky blue, white and black”
I say...:
Wrooooong answer.
Next Turnip, please
(167) Heisenbergcontext
You don't?
Fun over for today?
Goodnight then, Captain Possum, Kookaburra, etc, etc, etc.
@168
Jun 08th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0White, sky blue, yellow, brown.
As per the trousers of Obelix.
(169) HansNiesund
Jun 08th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wroooooong
Next turnip, please.....
166 Britannica:
Jun 08th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good question - nobody ever asked me that before. I had to check the dates - it seems I was born 18 days before the country changed names. Can't believe I didn't know.
@170 Think
Jun 08th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Question for you......When is a turnip, not a turnip?
@172
Jun 08th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When he is a a thick A-hole like you?
I thought you were going to “shut the fuck up” when I proved to you the majority of British people wanted the islanders to determine their own future.
more Argie lies..!! LOL.
@173
Jun 08th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you forget to mention......this from the same source!!
More British people would support opening negotiations with Argentina over the future of the Falklands than would oppose it – 37% would support negotiations, with 25% opposed. The overwhelming majority (83%) of Argentinians would support negotiation.
(172) A_Voice
Jun 08th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask...:
“When is a turnip, not a turnip?”
I say....:
Well......
No general rules, really.....
It's more a kind of qualitative inter-subjective case to case analytical evaluation process....
........But insulting Turnips uttering Turnipidities have a good chance to make it in my Turnip “lizt”...;-)
@173
Jun 08th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, you mentioned it and I agreed. We support the rights of the Falklanders to determine their own form of government and offered negotiations in London with them and your Foreign Minister.
he refused them.
Therefore, and quite clearly, Britain was prepared to meet both aspects of their public opinion, the massive support for the islanders deciding their form of government and the weak support for negotiations.
Argentina refused them!!
How do you think the poll would have responded if the question was
Do you think there should be negotiations with Argentina that completely forbid the presence of the islanders in the negotiations.
You lose, and make a twat of yourself in the process....what a thickie.
Do the Argies know that Timmerman turned down negotiations because he is terrified of Jan Cheek??
LOL!
@175 Think
Jun 08th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The correct answer is.........when it's a Swede. ;-)
It all depends of where you live!
Ahhhhhh......
Jun 08th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Monkeymagic lives in Sweden then?
@176
Jun 08th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you still telling porkies?
You were very selective with your statistics.
This is what you first said:
“Do you think the people currently living in the Falkland Islands should or should not have a say over whether the Islands are British or Argentinian?”
and quickly revised it in your next post to this“
”Of course, in the polls I posted the question only pertains to whether the islanders should have the right to self-determination. ”
There is of course a huge difference!!
As for the Islanders in negotiations……..you should know this more than anyone…..Monkey
………'Speak to the Organ Grinder, not the monkey'
@ Think
http://www.senioryears.com/swedetruth.html
Poor A-hole
Jun 08th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A prime example of the average thick Argie.
Claims the British public don't support the islanders, yet two opinion polls show massive support.
Quick movement of goalposts after losing that one...and says Britain supports negotiations...
Well of course it does...it offered them not three months ago..but the Argie Foreign Minister shat himself because Jan Cheek would be there.
Prepare for the next thick trolling...how about the burden n the UK tax payer again..or perhaps some shit about about 1833...
Do the Argentine public know Timmerman refused the negotiations they crave because Jan Cheek would be there....what was he so scared of?
The fact her family have been in south America/Atlantic 6 generations longer than his.
I don't know about swedes and turnips but you talk manure...full of it!
“Do the Argentine public know Timmerman refused the negotiations they crave because Jan Cheek would be there....what was he so scared of?”
Jun 08th, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, the people who read the newspaper (a minority sadly) certainly would. But it's not like we want to negotiate with the islanders present. In Argentina, everyone, not just at the government but among the general public, believes that negotiating with the FIG or recognizing it would be suicide. Even if Timmerman was a proper diplomat he would have turned down the invitation.
@178 Think
Jun 08th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea what Monkeymagic is ,or where he's from, he does call himself a magic Monkey so my best guess would be a zoo although his national language appears to be gibberish so.......Gibber......maybe?
Indeed, “negotiating or recognising the FIG would be suicide”
Jun 08th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Versus
“ the future of the islands should be determined by the islanders themselves”
You want negotiations, we won't negotiate without the islanders there, you are terrified of them..no negotiations..not our fault we offered!!
LOL
148 Monkeymagic
Jun 08th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We could wait until 2100
They can have as many counties as they wish to back them up,
But until [like you say] they grow up and stop acting like greedy children, they will never have nothing..
.
@168 I say...:
Jun 08th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrooooong answer.
The golden Sun of May is a representation of the Inca sun god Inti - fascist Spanish, Italian and German emigres have no right to appropriate this symbol of the indigenous people of South America. Black swastika or brown fasces for you, hombre.
(184) briton
Jun 08th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They will never have nothing..” you say...
Watch your “double negatives”, laddie.
You sound like a bloody foreigner.
@186 Think
Jun 08th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was thinking the same thing......it translates to ”They will always have something.
Did she mean to say.......they will always have nothing or they will never have anything?
They will never have nothing....it is accurate.
Jun 08th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It means that they will always have something.
They y will have the land that their Spanish ancestor conquistadors stole from the indigenous population..
They will have the land that was usurped from the Amerindians in the Genocide of the desert in 1880. The land stolen by Argentine thieves in a blatant act of 19th century colonialism.
They will have the one of the largest countries in the world, all stolen historically, but all theirs today based on the fundamental right of self-determination.
However, whilst this does mean that they will never have nothing, despite behaving like spoilt children...it also means that the Falklanders will be afforded the same rights.
Rights to choose their own form of government, as we have now proven is fully supported by the UK population, rights that mean Argentina don't have to return the land they stole, and rights that mean the islanders can keep the unoccupied territories that they adopted as their home.
@188
Jun 08th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Rights to choose their own form of government, as we have now proven is fully supported by the UK population”
and we have also proven using the same “credible” source.....
that the UK population also supports opening negotiations with Argentina over the future of the Falklands.
………so on that basis it appears Argentina may also get something more……
Far from it A-hole.
Jun 08th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The source (as you say the devil is in the detail) says that negotiations with weak support should be aimed at ensuring that the islanders get to chose.
My view is that the negotiations shouldn't be about getting more, but about getting less.
If 19th century colonialism is so heinous to you, if land stolen by military conquest is so abhorrent, if implanted European populations are disgraceful...withdraw from Patagonia. Return it to the people you stole it from (those you didn't massacre).
Then, when you have proven your Falklands claims are not just a hypocritical 21st century colonialist land grab, perhaps after 50 years..we can take the Falklands to the ICj.
They can then look at your “inheritance from Spain”, Jewitt, Vernet, Mestevier...and see if there is an claim there.
But first, persuade the islanders and give up Patagonia...no??
These negotiations are fun aren't they?
186 Think and 189 A_Voice
Jun 08th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tsk, tsk, tsk Think!!!! Shame on you, using your sock puppet “A_Voice” to try and double the weight of your argument!!!
But, when you are both WRONG this means, I'm afraid, that you are twice as wrong as wrong can be.
by the way, as you have such a morbid interest in Turnips I have enclosed the following for ROAST TURNIPS!!! mmmmmm de- licious!!
Select the turnips. When purchasing turnips, look for those that are firm with a springy top. Avoid any with soft patches, blemishes, or that feel too light when picked up.
Prepare the turnips. Choose smaller sized turnips and peel them. They can be roasted whole or cut into chunks if preferred.
Roll the peeled turnips or chunks of turnips in olive oil.
Add them to the roasting/baking dish and place in the oven.
Bake in a moderate oven until tender.
They should be turned once or twice during the roasting. Small turnips roast in about 25 minutes, while larger chunks can take another 5 minutes.
@191
Jun 08th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two lots of ignorant bullshit is twice the fun to ridicule.
Twink and A-hole...just need deidreoverdovers for the set of total retards who think they are clever.
At least Raul, Jose and Marcus know they are stupid..these guys don't.
It's fun though, A-hole has disappeared up his own A-hole...and doesn't know whether the shit is covered in is what he's crapping or talking.
192 Monkeymagic
Jun 08th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good point, well made......... I wonder, when “A_Voice” does disappear up his own a*se, will he meet himself coming the other way? Or will it be “Think”???
@192
Jun 08th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For goodness sake……I can't spend all day “Chewin the Fat ” with you, had to finish mowing the lawns and strimming the edges……you know, doing grown up stuff. Stuff your Dad or Mum does!!
Mmmm…… No dry or clever wit and no sense of humour…..am I detecting another British wannabe? Give me some clues so I can expose you for what you are! It's either that or you're a wee ned and hasn't developed one yet.
@191
If have no idea what Think means by Turnips……all I know is most of the English call swedes, turnips and the French say that swedes are only fit for cattle and the English…..is that why you find them delicious?
@194
Jun 08th, 2013 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've spent all day making a c@nt of yourself, so perhaps trimming the edges might be advisable....
I detect an Argie...makes shit up..gets caught lying...divert onto different shit...lies some more...and then makes some more shit up..
Your not even very good at it...but it's been fun showing you up for the twat you are...
@167 Heisenbergcontext
Jun 08th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“165 Anglotino:
You seem to be laboring under the impression I owe you some kind of explanation. Sweet dreams.”
Think I really didn't need an explanation. I worked out this was a new sockpuppet a couple of days ago. Granted well constructed but nevertheless made too many mistakes with your attempt to fine tune his Ozzieness.
So yes I call Heisenbergcontext out as a new sockpuppet. Definitely not an Aussie!
I stil can't believe you missed your biggest mistake even though I keep leading you to it.
Mind you he was much more believable than El Kapitano and A_Voice. Now I can see why DoD didn't ring true for so many people.
Keep up the good work for the Fatherland.
Really pragmatic uruguayan position. Good.
Jun 09th, 2013 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0196 : Anglotino
Jun 09th, 2013 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you really want to know who I am I suggest you consult the April editions of the Centralian Advocate ( Alice Springs ). Your local State Library will have a copy. I got arrested on my birthday - what can I say, I was having too much fun - and the court reporter found this amusing enough to include in his wrap. My previous post will give you my birthday with a few mouse clicks.
From '71 to '75 I lived in Gnowangerup - the first 'G' is silent, it means 'place of the malley hen' in the local Nyoongar language - a very small West Australian farming town. Also South Fremantle recruiting territory. I played in the under 8's ( the baby bulldogs we were known as ). We regularly played against Wagin which is where the Matera boys came from. My father was the town pharmacist and even though his shop is now unused the last time I passed through ( in 1999 ) his sign, though faded, was still visible. It made me happy.
I went to boarding school in '76 ( Hale School ) which is where Geoff Marsh also went - he was in year 12 and I never met him though I did see him play. If you scored a century they gave you a Gray Nicholls bat. Before playstations took over the world this was the ultimate gift for the average Aussie kid. John Inverarity
Also attending this school were Polly Farmer's son Dean - he wasn't in his fathers league sadly but a nice kid anyway. Also Michael Edgely' ( remember him? ) son Mark. He had a hard time I think.
Lemme see: in '96 I worked at the SFS which, if you know Sydney, you will know is attached to the SCG. I was working there the night Tony Lockett kicked that famous point against your beloved Dons. We watched on ctv from our staff room. The noise was deafening. I'm not sure whether Kevin Sheedy was waving his jacket at that point in his career. You probably do.
No further correspondence will be entered into on this subject from this party.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Jun 09th, 2013 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0196 Anglotini:
Jun 09th, 2013 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0April '91 I should have included.
199 Think: point taken.
Wow Think up at 4.05am to smile at Heisenbergcontext's post?
Jun 09th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0And after such a quiet day on here!
(201) Anglotino
Jun 09th, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0What seems to be the problem with my 04:00am posts?
After a certain age, a man needs to ”spend a penny” more often.
At age ~65, Scottish RN Commander Doveoverdover understood that instantly.
At age ~50, Centralian Jailbird Mr. Heisenbergcontext must be quite close to grasping it.
At age ~25, you, Ozzie Anglolatino laddie, should still be luckily unaware of your future.
@195
Jun 09th, 2013 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not a Monkey…..but a Cuckoo
I said, I was “STRIMMING the edges” with a STRIMMER
I knew you would mistakingly feel the need to correct it......so predictable!
It's what the British do and you not being British would not know that!
http://wildelycreative.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/grass-to-strim-or-not-to-strim/
http://wildelycreative.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/grass-to-strim-or-not-to-strim/
Not difficult to flush out were you?
So not being British, what ever your opinion on what the British think, is irrelevant.
..but it's been fun showing you up for the twat you are...
(203) A_Voice
Jun 09th, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0At first, I too thought that you had made a mistake when typing “Strimming the Edges”.....
Then I “Googled” it....
One learns new things every day.....
About Monkeymagic...
I do“think” he's English...
Council-Flat English that is...
Unaware of the pleasures of English Gardening... ;-)
@204 Think
Jun 09th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Must be Nelson Mandela House, in Peckham
What a “Plonker”
(205) A_Voice
Jun 09th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nelson Mandela House ???
Since when do you English christen places after convicted terrorists ?
What's next ?
Hasib Hussain Square?
Germaine Lindsay's tube station?
@206 Think
Jun 09th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Google it.......Only fools and horses......it's fictitious ..........a joke!
I know you know British comedy.....“Don't tell him, Pike”.........
You are playing......!!
Killjoy ;-(
Jun 09th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@207
Jun 09th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is well aware of Only Fools and Horses, because Del Boy Trotter's Uncle Albert used to be his main squeeze on here.
@209
Jun 09th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guessed he knew, the info was for the benefit of anyone that didn't. Then they can follow the patter!
Careful now Hans, posters will be thinking that you are talking to Think as opposed to thinking, that you think you think you are talking to me. ;-)
(210) A_Voice
Jun 09th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I Think that, by now, Hans Thinks he's talking to Think even when talking to himself.......
@211
Jun 09th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're so vain, you probably Think this thread is about you.
@196 Anglotino
Jun 09th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I point you to my post @84
“...arouse yourself by setting up some display...”
You are not alone in viewing this latest gent as another of Think's alter egos.
Think tends to put a pretty hefty specific sign out with his alter egos, which I am not going to tip him off about by going into detail....but no amount of back story to his characters is going to hide it.
Chuckle chuckle
But what do we care? As long as his fake people are backing the Falklanders, and are questioned if he uses them to even slightly help his own cause (again - see my post @84) then he is actually using part of his ever so short life to aid the Falklanders.
Three cheers for Think (or should that be three chuckles?)
(212) HansNiesund
Jun 09th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“You're so vain, you probably Think this thread is about you.”
I say....:
Of course not!
But, with over 60 direct invocations to my name on this thread alone, one would be excused to “Think” so.....
Chuckle chuckle®
@212
Jun 09th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! well done, “that's what I'm talking about!”…..witty repartee, got to admit, that was a good retort……
Clouds in my Coffee……. ;-)
Shame others don't have a sense of humour
@214
Jun 09th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me just say that I, for one, do not doubt your Argentidad, given that you have just turned out two mutually contradictory sentences, one after the other.
Argentinidad Hans; ........ A-R-G-E-N-T-I-N-I-D-A-D.
Jun 09th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, little touch of the turnips there : A-R-J-U-N-T-I-N-I-D-A-D
Jun 09th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Jun 09th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,
Come chappies, foreigner ??
To an argie we would be foreigners,
As you are to us..
,,,,,
[[They will never have nothing..]]
Means exactly that,
If eye want to put never have anything
Or won’t have anything
Eye would have said so,
Please guys at least try to understand
Rather than being pettish, it makes one look over educated..
Then Again being a none resident, you probably are over educated
[just] lol
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A-hole
Jun 09th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go back and look at my post dickhead...I was comparing you to a c@nt and therefore suggesting that trimming the edges (i.e. tidying up the pubic hair) might have been worthwhile. If you need to use a strimmer, you've been dating the wrong girls!!! Sorry if it was over your head, but weve established you are a bit thick.
Anyhow...any more pearls of wisdom
WWII was already won by the Russians before America joined in
The British people don't support the islanders
The British aren't prepared to have negotiations
That's just three complete bullshit claims on this thread alone!
Interesting use of Only fools and Horses. Of course you have the arrogance of Boycie (although your is entirely misplaced), the Brains of Trigger, nad the morals of Roy Slater. An interesting mix...thick, arrogant scum...
It's amazing you are so prepared to advertise it!!
[219]
Jun 09th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0brilliant you show why the British are the best .
[221]
Jun 09th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not so brilliant briton, you certainly show why the British are the worst .
You should eat your shirt in shame, as Poul Scholes, laddie....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2h1ynKLII
@213 screenname
Jun 10th, 2013 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0One could go stir crazy trying to work out who are sockpuppets on here and you have to wonder to what end. My money is on Mercopress trying to increase visits for revenue or perhaps some people’s heartbreaking loneliness (I’m so ronery).
Either way, I enjoy being on here. On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog!
Think thinks he is cleverer than everyone else on here. There’s his hubris. I’m just a details man.
Heisenbergcontext has, for some unfathomably reason, declared he is leaving the site for good on a thread he never commented on http://goo.gl/gEBMp. Perhaps Think mistakenly posted on the wrong thread or perhaps he thought it would have greater impact away from this thread. But gone.
I won’t tell Think where he went wrong. Impersonating an Australian was always going to be difficult with no amount of urban dictionary or Wikipedia able to keep ahead of the subtle difference in meaning some words have here. Too many people believe that our culture is an extension of either the UK or the US. After all I’m a Mexican. It was all going pretty well up until post 121.
Like you I won’t be spelling out where the mistakes are as they are bound to be repeated. But Heisenbergcontext’s 23 days and 57 comments were amazingly revealing. Not just in content but pattern. (Is my research background showing?)
15 posts in May and 60% directed at no one. Take me out of the equation and 60% of his posts in June were to Think.
And yes, three chuckles for Think. He has again proved on this thread that I am an enigma to him.
Tsk tsk Think, fishing for information. Guess that makes me the one and only Ozzie Anglolatino.
Of that there can be no doubt.
Good job, “Anglolatino”
Jun 10th, 2013 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you see the same patterns in El Capitano? I do.
And of course, “A_Voice” is almost a clone of Thinkedover
:-)
Troy
Jun 10th, 2013 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Glad you spotted that little joke!
I did see the similarities. Though our El Capitano has disappeared recently. I am sure he will reappear soon now that we have spoken of him. I also miss Doveroverdover so hope he can grace our presence on here too. Surfer seems to be dead, login forgotten.
A_Voice is a new tactic; very little background to unstitch. Small target and all that, but nonetheless still not convincing.
But there is one thing they can't stop doing and that is the whole reason sockpuppets exists. They all have to make Think look good. It doesn't take long before they are all fawning and continually conversing with Think. His loneliness is palatable but does give me entertainment.
So Heisenbergcontext is gone (I'm sure he will visit) and we will have to await the next one. He won't be an Aussie that is guaranteed.
Should never try to use Footy to pull the wool over an Aussie's eyes.
Anglolatino
Jun 10th, 2013 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But there is one thing they can't stop doing and that is the whole reason sockpuppets exists. They all have to make Think look good. It doesn't take long before they are all fawning and continually conversing with Think. His loneliness is palatable but does give me entertainment.”
Oh, good God, lol, it has just become ridiculous, Argie trolls dictating; who is eligible to discuss “British affairs”, who is 'British', and populating entire threads!
...and all “Think” - the bitter
- the angry
- the lonely
- the unloved
He won't be missed when he goes.
@226
Jun 10th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm surprised to see you posting here after your disgusting confession!
Anyone work out what the numpty at 227 is going on about?
Jun 10th, 2013 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mental state, I tell you, very very bad mental state.
@226 Troy
Just when we were talking about trolls with sockpuppets. Perhaps if I talk about a million dollars enough it might appear on here too.
35 TroLLey_to_Truth
Jun 10th, 2013 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were lying at post #72 in the “Malvinas OAS statement: Latam support Argentine position; Canada against and US abstains” article and as I pointed out, you bear the burden-of-proof to prove your assertions at post #84. You have failed to do that, so all you have achieved is to publicly reveal yourself as proven liar. Yet here you are yet again, still continuing to malign the good name of Canada. But it seems to be part and parcel of your national ethos to lie. This has been revealed by nineteenth century American diplomat through to Brazilian and Italian publications to day. Former Uruguayan president Jorge Batlle said, “The Argentines are a mob of thieves, from the first to the last”, your doing an excellent job of proving him right. That is why your lying and thieving will not result in you achieving your indoctrinated fantasies as the Islands issue is strictly a legal one. Consequently such tactics would not work in the ICJ, which is why you will never apply.
Canada incidentally has been one of the power house contributers to the UN, by supplying peacekeeping missions to thirty-three countries between 1956 to 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_peacekeeping_missions
Lying and stealing are next door neighbors.
Proverb, Arabian
“or the wretched conceit of a liar, in supposing himself clever enough to invent stories so ingenious that they shall, for any time, impose on people for the truth, and the still grosser folly in imagining, as he must do, that the world will, without investigation and analysis, take for granted anything he chooses to assert that world more shrewd, more cunning, and as prying as himself what a conceited ass must the liar be! How superior over others in cunning must he not believe himself! What fools must he not suppose the rest of mankind!”
CHARLES WILLIAM DAY, The Maxims, Experiences, and Observations of Agogos
222 Think
Jun 10th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I saw the video and yes he did touch the ball,
So it seems we have two hands of god,
One argentine and one British..
Still.
It’s all the fault of the REF, is it not?
Naughty ref,
What else can one say ..mmmm.
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@230 Briton
Jun 10th, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But don't forget what I Don't Think aka The Chief Carrot (demoted from Turnip) aka The Biggest Liar On MP claims: the British are the worst.
Ha, ha, ha etc.
LOLs
@225 Anglotino: “A_Voice is a new tactic; very little background to unstitch”
Jun 11th, 2013 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I said before he leaves huge signs. Backgound does not really come into it: A_Voice, Doveoverdover and Heisenbergcontext all shared a very obvious (but otherwise inexplicable) marker.
The thing is, it actually does not matter as long as Think is trying to build up these characters by being pro-Falklander...as long as we destroy him once he shows his hand. He is wasting his life.
Nice observation on the mercopress benefit of his huge number of posts, by the way. Evidence to increase revenue streams (and an opposition with which to destroy Argentinean claims on a world-wide forum). Well done Think.
231 ChrisR
Jun 11th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wise words,
we may not be perfect,
but certaunly not the worst..
@232 screenname
Jun 12th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooo I've got this secret formula to detect sock puppets….but I can't share…..only I know…..roughly translated to……I'm full of crap!!
@Anglotino
Tchk tchk tchk
What's that Skip you been on the internet again?
Tchk tchk tchk
What, you think everyone is an impostor and you are having nightmares involving sockpuppets?
Tchk tchk tchk
Ok Skip you get the helicopter and we'll pay them a visit, flush out these little wombats together!
Never try and pull the wool over our eyes and pretend the Aussies can play footy!
You really need to get a life…….spending all your time pondering over who says what to whom…….:-))))))))))
234thinkedover
Jun 12th, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're on here more than anyone, when you put all your docks in one drawer.
But then, we don't get paid for posting like you do.
@235
Jun 12th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're on here more than anyone, when you put all your “docks” in one drawer.???
I'm sittin' on the dock of the bay
Watching the tide roll away
Ooo, I'm just sittin' on the dock of the bay
Wastin' time
I..... “Wannabe” .....loved by you, just you,
And nobody else but you,
I .....“Wannabe” .....loved by you, alone!
Boop-boop-a-doop!
Aaah the effect I have gives me a warm feeling!
Jun 12th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@235
Jun 13th, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0After your criminal confession I am surprised that you are here at all.
Anglotino
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at the two most narcissistic Trolls @236 & 238, crying out for attention!
sad really. :-)
Chuckle chuckle chuckle...
I know Troy.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm jealous. You're being chased all over the place.
Seems you have two very enamoured fans. Either that or you have scored a new pair of socks.
LOL,
Jun 13th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a pair of “heels” anyway.
@240
Jun 14th, 2013 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may treat these perverted scum nonchalantly but we know how to handle them here. We give them a bullet in the neck. But then we believe in family values and regard children as our future.
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