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Falkland Islands asserts their democratic rights
The remarkable transformation of the Falkland Islands into the democratic, prosperous, hardworking community of today was applauded by hundreds of supporters gathered in London for the annual reception in London marking the liberation of the Islands from Argentine invasion and occupation in 1982. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI wonder if Mr Sawle is aware that the RG's have quietly altered their stance on the 1833 expulsion details. They now only claim that “Argentine authorities” were expelled. Which I believe to be correct, we can hardly expect the RG's to acknowledge that the correct description should be “illegal Argentine authorities” can we.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This admission was first spotted in the propaganda handed out at Timberheads recent London 'gathering of supporters' and is confirm in the official RG Government website here:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
just scroll down to the 1833 piece.
Well done P & P the first chink in the RG armour which of course begs the question when will the RG's admit their next 'inaccuracy'?
WARSHIP PROTEST
Jun 13th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The incursion into Gibraltar waters by Spain’s warship
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=29689
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PICARDO GOADS UN COMMITTEE TO END ‘DIALOGUE OF THE DEAF’
Mr Picardo told diplomats that Gibraltar’s right to self determination could not be curtailed by Spain’s medieval territorial claim
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=29689
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When the deaf get their hearing back this will be good news for Gibraltar and the Falklands,
And the C24 the Spanish and the Argies might come into the real world and grow up..
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First pilots complete new fast jet training
Four RAF pilots have completed the Hawk T2 training at RAF Valley
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=29689
Will be visiting you shortly..
News Blog
F35B in focus (PART 2) The multi-role marvel
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=29689
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AgustaWestland-built Wildcat helicopters 'even better than hoped for'
One of the next generation of Royal Navy helicopters is being put through its paces
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=29689
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And now the russians have dicided to get involed,
the future looks great for us,
but bloody shamefull and bad for the greedy argies..
The Right to Self-Determination
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The United Nations and Decolonization
Paragraph 8.
Question: Can your homeland stay the way it is right now, if that is what the people want?
Answer: In 1970, a legal committee of the General Assembly adopted a declaration in which it stated that, as long as it is freely determined by the people, it can also be considered a way of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/questions_answers.shtml
“Argentina’s rejection of Falklands’ democratic rights”. Argentina couldn`t be more supportive of islander`s democratic rights. All they have to do is get their Argentine identity document and start voting like all other people in the country they live in.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The referendum was the exercise of self-determination, proof of our desire to remain British”. You`re British because the UK decided you to, after the war. Before you were second class citizens.
“The referendum has forced many people to rethink their standard lines and realise that this is not a dispute between Britain and Argentina but a
fundamental dispute over the rights of the Falkland Island people
to choose their own system of government”.
Can you mention at least one example? NONE
“Argentina has yet to respect those rights to self-determination”.
Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, the US, the UN etc, etc, etc...
“We will continue with our task of getting our voices heard”
Oh! your voices are heard. They`re just irrelevant.
”Peter Pepper (twister tongue?) and Graham Pascoe have effectively disproved
the myth that an Argentine population was expelled from the Islands
by the British in 1833“. If so, why is the UN and other international fora asking the UK to negotiate sovereingty? Based on Argentina`s lies?
You guys are inefficient proving the truth.
Islands’ supporters HAHAHAHAHAH
”Living with an aggressive neighbour”.
Stupid Argentina does not allow the Brits exploit Argentine resources without causing trouble!
Twaddle!
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Twoddle .
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina will take legal action at home and abroad against any oil companies involved in oil exploration off the Malvinas Islands.' - Foreign Minister Hector Timerman 15th March 2012.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Hector, how are you doing?
Oh, not very well, making no progress.
Because outside Argentina you have NO jurisdiction.
@4 Islas Malvinas
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0> Oh! your voices are heard. They`re just irrelevant.
And you'd have us believe that you're a different country from the one that invaded in 1982.
Islas Malvinas
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The no longer relevant and non-binding UN resolution 2065 requests Britain enter into negotiations to find a peaceful solution to the dispute.
Somewhat and completely different to “negotiating sovereignty” that you describe.
If you are so comfortable with your position..why lie?
The Falklands are not and never have been in Argentina. Neither You nor anybody else has put forward an honest or compelling account as to why Argentina inherited any sovereignty claim Spain may have had, nor how it claimed sovereignty between 1811-1833. lots of lies, but nothing the ICJ would deem suitable.
Please continue (and ask your government) to continue to use terms like “squatters”, “irrelevant” and “implanted” to define the Falkland Islanders, the more you do, the more distant from the UN Charter you become, the more hypocritical you look, and the more like the pathetic bullies you are.
It's fun to see fifty years of your lies unwind in front of you.
@8 And you'd have us believe that you're a different country from the one that took longer than any other colonial power to recognize the international principle of self determination and that still in the XXIs century refuses to respect it when applicable (Chagos)
Jun 13th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chukle, chukle
Islas Malvinas. It doesn't matter what Argentina, Brazil, Chile, or Uraguay are saying, its irrelavent! The Falkland Islanders have spoken 1500 to 3, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF YOUR STUPID COLONY!
Jun 13th, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You were thrown out in 1833 and 1982, you are not coming back.
By the way the Malvinas do not exist.
@9 What do you think the dispute that needs to be peacefuly settles is about? Fishing?
Jun 13th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can British diplomats be so inefficient proving the truth!?
Unbelievable!
Why would our diplomats want to prove anything? What would be the point? we already have sovereignty of the islands, we are going to keep sovereignty of the islands until and when such times the Islanders want independence. Argentina will never have it, never.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Your third paragraph. I can name more than one. Your first paragraph. Your fifth paragraph. Your sixth paragraph.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 When will you be giving “argentina” back to its rightful owners? Or have you killed them all?
@12 There is no “dispute”. There are only pointlessly whining argies.
The Argentines cannot negotiate anything. Their constitution only allows one single outcome. Not very much to discuss. So why should the Brits or the Falklanders enter inte any dialogue with them? First the Argentine Constitution must be changed and their government start to respect the people they call “squatters”.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Briton
Jun 13th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My favourite bit...
'“I urge the Kingdom of Spain to test their pathetic and unsustainable political view in the International Court of Justice on all matters in dispute on the question of Gibraltar,” Mr Picardo said.'
Time the FI say the same to Argentina?
Islas Malvinas, Britain has changed, we are no longer colonialists. All our former colonies are part of the Commonwealth. But Argentina hasn't, it still lies, cheats, reneges on debts, steals businesses. Argentina is also a shadow of its former self, its in an awful state, riven with crime, lawless in many areas, corrupt, ruled by a quasi dictator, a pariah nation that the whole world will not lend to. It's disappearing into the third world.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your dictator uses the mythical Malvinas to distract the gullible fools like you from these unpalatable facts. It's as simple as that. You need to ignore government propaganda and concentrate on getting honest people to run your country and forget trying to intimidate the Falkland Islanders.
Islas - FYI Brazil has just got into bed with Premier Oil who are a company exploring and soon to be exploiting FI oil.
Jun 13th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please show me any evidence that they really support Argentina. I also hear that Korean squid processing factory in Brazil is going great guns with FI squid landed in port by Korean FI licence holders and FI registered vessles :)
You have nothing! Now grow a pair and do something about it for once!
4 Islas Malvinas
Jun 13th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a fool, a dangerous, mis-guided fool but a fool none the less. You spout some one elses words but yet you claim them as your own.
“Oh! your voices are heard. They`re just irrelevant”
This is your attitude and your countries attitude and in that one sentence you have revealed your true self yet you have neither the wit nor the wisdom to understand it.
You make no sense and yet you prattle on like a purblind fool. You see the Islanders as “irrelevant” and then wonder why they resist your clumsy attempts at “diplomacy”.
You threaten the islanders with all horrors of the Earth and yet you do not pause to see that the very things you acuse the Falklanders of are the very things that you have been doing for YEARS.
You are a bankurpt intellect from a bankrupt nation who can only point fingers, lie, cheat and convince themselves that their lies are, in some way, the truth.
I will leave you with a final thought, but I doubt, having read your post at 4 that you have any sense to understand its meaning:-
Argentinians are descended from the Spanish yes? Argentina is a Catholic nation yes? As Catholics are you not supposed to live by the lessons that the bible teaches you?
Is one of the ten commandments “Thou shalt not covert thy neighbours oxen” ?
It would seem that ( like sheep ) you have gone astray....yes?
@12
Jun 13th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Negotiate to find a peaceful outcome to the sovereignty dispute”..is different from negotiating sovereignty.
Negotiating sovereignty suggests that sovereignty of the Falklands in some part or whole will pass from the Uk to Wrgentina.
Negotiations aimed at Finding a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute is something entirely different. Britain HAS found a peaceful solution....it defends the islands such that Argentina dare not attack.
Britain offered negotiations to find a resolution to the sovereignty dispute with the islands elected representatives present Argentina refused, despite your precious and no longer relevant UN resolution demanding their interests be respected.
I have offered a potential negotiation to find a resolution to the dispute.
Argentina must display to the world that it fully believes in its three arguments
1) land stolen by military means still remains with who it was stolen from irrespective of the wishes of the current population
2) implanted populations have no right to self determination
3) 19th century colonialism should be undone
It must do this by immediately withdrawing its sovereignty of Patagonia, withdrawing all non-indigenous peoples, and given full reparation ($100bn USD) to the remaining indigenous people that you didn't slaughter. They will own all Patagonian businesses, mines, mineral rights, fishing rights etc, and Argentinas claims (false) to the Antarctic regions, etc
After 50 years of this being completed the UK will accept that you aren't just colonialist land grabbers, and you do actually deny self determination as you profess.
We will then agree to take the Falklands dispute to the ICJ for adjudication.
There..a negotiation to resolve the sovereignty dispute.
@10
Jun 13th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, we're the same country that decolonized one third of the worlds' surface in the space of 20 years, but kept a little bit just to piss you off and make fun of you on the Internet.
@21
Jun 13th, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which 'we' seem to be doing quite well at!
Islas - others have demonstrated to you Brazilian reality.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguayan reality - They allow FI registered ships into port as usual - just so long as they come flying the Red Ensign - which they are all entitled to do - Uruguay knows this - that is why they specified it in the same statement they made to “support2 you by not allowing in ships whilst flying the FI flag!
Uruguay exports all sorts of goods to the Islands on a regular basis by seafreight.
Uruguyan commercial delegations visit the Islands - and later this year an FI one will visit Uruguay.
Their politicians who were part of the Independent Referendum Observer team speak in Ur Parliament calling for closer links between us.
Ur still allows a Royal Navy vessel to visit each year.
Chile - reality:
Chile refused to do anything when your Pres a year ago suggested it would be a good idea and ”helpful“ for Lan,s operations in Argentina if they dropped the flight to the Islands.
Chile maintains trade and travel and cultural links with the Islands and thus recognizes also the existence of our elected Govt - as does Uruguay.
Chilean ports open to FI registered vessels same as Uruguyan ones.
So - where is the ”support” in reality from all these nations for you?
I've been reading these forums for a while now, and most times I ignore them as they usually contain shite (from both sides). But I see that yet again some clueless Argentine buttmunch brings up the Chagos islanders as an example of UK hypocrisy. The problem with that argument is that the Chagos islanders do not appear, and never have done, on the C24 list of NSG territories. Therefore they are irrelevant in any discussion involving the FI. Still, I suppose the more pointless and heated the argument the less attention is directed to the real issues.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0This guy is more papist than the pope.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0If this moron had been born in the Malvinas Argentinas I think it would be less malvinista than it is.
He would do well to read this article by a compatriot of he (in Britain) who without 100% I agree on everything he says, says great truths.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/falklands-vote-ruritanian-colonial-relic
@25
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. Nice link. Unfortunately Seamus Milne's left leaning, anti government bias distorts every article he attempts to write. I would however strongly suggest reading the comments on his little rant for a general view on how Brits feel about the piece.
@4
Jun 14th, 2013 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“All they have to do is get their Argentine identity document”
The only way I will carry an Argentine identity document is if you pin it to my corpse.
@27
Jun 14th, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0thats their normal procedure when they want someone elses land. Look at Patagonia and the genocide they committed there, in their blatant act of 19th century colonialism.
@24
Jun 14th, 2013 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just imagine the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth there would be in the Plaza de Mayo if the UK were to expel the Falkland Islanders to make way for Arjuntina. Friends of the Chagossians such as Islas just crying their little eyes out.
And by the same token, I am sure also that the Chagossians must be immensely grateful to their friends in Arjuntina for their fervent opposition to the principle of self-determination. That must be really helpful to the Chagossian cause.
Meanwhile, there are signs that at long last the UK is moving to right this particularly nasty piece of cold war power politics.
http://www.westsussextoday.co.uk/news/county-news/hope-for-chagos-islanders-1-5122321
I bet that'll really piss off the Malvinistas.
@29
Jun 14th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0While I totally agree that Britain should right that perceived wrong, I'm still not sure how attempting to recreate the former French colony will help anyone. Plus for how long will we have to keep supplying them with fresh water before everyone accepts that they are only barely viable at a subsistence level, other than as a re supplied air-base?
@31
Jun 14th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's why it's not possible just to fly them back, but I guess it's the aim if the study to answer this kind of question.
“Mr Sawle said it is hard to disagree with this message, which has forced many people to rethink their standard lines and realise that this is not a dispute between Britain and Argentina but a fundamental dispute over the rights of the Falkland Island people to choose their own system of government”.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0MLAs Short, Sawle, Summers may have found a sympathetic ear from small, university audiences, selected by British Embassies, in the likes of Jamaica, Panama and Guatemala/San Salvador even Peru and Colombia. But their message of self-determination has gone down like a lead balloon in the countries and on the continents that count in world affairs.
The MLAs and their Westminster supporters have become fanatical and obsessed about a right which is denied to them by the United Nations, but which, manifestly, they are determined to exercise. The rest of the world, however, contrary to Sawle’s statement and despite the Falkland Islanders’ efforts, have not lost sight of the real issue of dispute – that of the sovereignty of the islands. The longer the islanders prevent the British Government from tacking that issue in bilateral talks with Argentina , the more isolated and intolerable the islanders’ lives become.
Yep. Still waiting for a reference that shows the UN has removed a right.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0All these posts full of bullshit and not one single reference.
'Gurkha veterans recall unforgiving enemy, weather of Falklands War - Kathmandu, Nepal (CNN) -- Thirty-one years ago, the four men serving me tea at the table of an attractive house in Nepal's capital were taking punishment from the Antarctic weather and an equally unforgiving enemy on a remote island chain in the South Atlantic...'
Jun 14th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/asia/nepal-gurkha-falklands-war/
@29
Jun 14th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are a number of issues here around Chagos.
Firstly, as the EU ruling concurs, the majority of the inhabitants of the Chagos islands accepted relocation compensation as a full and final settlement.
The next biggest group are those who want “more” compensation and use the “threat of return” to justify it. This additional compensation is either monetary or the wish for British citizenship.
The remainder, those who were forcibly evicted (and their descendents), have never accepted compensation and wish to return, should be allowed to.
They should be given transportation back to a suitable location on the archipeligo, and voting rights alongside the military personnel who are there.
I am not sure what industry they intend to set up, what homes they intend to build, or what they will do without fresh water (unless they intend to purchase from the military base) but it sounds a meagre existance...up to them i suppose.
4 Islas Malvinas ----- Who the fuck are you to tell us British what to do. We are British and we will do what we want and get yourself a proper fucking name Islas Malvinas what kind of frigging name is that you irrelevant piece of shit.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Jun 14th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And just when exactly did the UN vote to deny the Falklanders what it describes as a fundamental human right? Surely you're not going to try to tell us again that it's when the term 'population' was used once in a resolution of 50 years ago?
As for your friends the whole world, in fact the vast majority of the world couldn't care less about your grievance over an event that never happened two centuries ago. It's why the UN consistently votes “please sort this out between yourselves and stop bothering us with it”. It's only Argentine wishful thinking that interpretes this as support for Argentina's sovereignity claim. The only people you've managed to get behind that are a coalition of cousins, crooks, kleptocrats, nutters, dictatorships, and would-be and actual occupiers of other people's territory, but this only amounts to 25% of the whole world at best, virtually none of it is any more than verbal asssstance, the dumber elements thought they were just voting for peace anyway, and the remainder are acting purely out of their own interest rather than yours. Good luck holding that together.
@33
Jun 14th, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe if you check you will find that the UNGA Resolutions, all non binding, that the RG supporters are found of referencing all contain references back to the UN Charter, which we all should know by now, in Article 1 paragraph 2 states:
“To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;”
Just in case anyone wants to check for themselves they can view the complete Charter here:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
32 Devolverislas
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watching from afar Argentina and the Islanders present their case, fanatical and obsessed is not what I see, at least from the Islanders supporters. The real issue is the legal one of sovereignty, which the UK holds undisputedly. That is why the UK remains so calm and confident. The UK remains unconcerned about Argentine manipulations at the UN as only so much pot-banging, as Argentina will never invoke the opinion of the ICJ, as they know they have no colour of right in law.
@37 Hans
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that you will find that the 'official' RG claim to the fact that the UN removed the right to Self Determination from the Islanders' is found on the following RG Government website:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history#09
The section that deals with 1985. They (RG's) claim that because a proposed amendment by the UK was voted down this removed the Islanders' 'Rights', a load of codswallop in my opinion. However should the RG's be upheld then on the same convoluted reasoning the attempt by RGland & Spain in 2008 to have the 'Right' removed, which was also voted down, could well be construed as confirming said right. Would you not agree?
The 2008 case is deeply significant since it provided a clear opportunity for the proverbial 'whole world' to throw its weight behind Arjuntina by limiting the right of self-determination in cases where a territorial dispute exists. But the 'whole world' inexplicably failed to get on side, with only about 40 voting with them. And what a prime bunch they were too. In fact most UN members just want to sit on the fence by voting for some anodyne prescription such as 'dialogue' or 'peaceful resolution', which nobody could possibly object to. (Except if course Arjuntina itself in 1982)
Jun 14th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Hans
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree.
How can the mentally challenged vote for 'dialogue', when total subjugation is, according to the Constitution of Argentina, the only possible outcome of such 'dialogue'?
A 'peaceful resolution' might have eventually been possible, it even seemed as though it might be heading that way, until Argentina tore up all the 'agreements' that had been reached up to that time. In my view it is not a 'reasonable' solution at this point in time.
realistically what are we left with?
Ultimately, you can only get so far with a artificial grievance cooked up in the 1940s about an event that never happened in the 1830s. In time, even the domestic audience, to whom all this us directed, will wake up to it.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“”“”“”“”“One of the most emotional parts of our encounter -- well after the end of our formal interview -- came when I thanked these aging Nepali men, who were once young and thirsty for adventure, for helping to bring freedom to my country -- even if they didn't know it and despite the cost in human lives, British and Argentine.”“”“”“”“”“
Jun 14th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
and said by an Argentine too boot!
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”“”“”In fact most UN members just want to sit on the fence by voting for some anodyne prescription such as 'dialogue' or 'peaceful resolution', which nobody could possibly object to.“”“”
AQFT
When will the Mavlos on here learn that the most that they can ever call on is lip service or no desire whatsoever to get involved in messing with the status quo?
Argentina just doesnt have the clout on the world platform to really get any big guns not just “on its side” but to actually take progressive actions.
Nobody seems to care that much for Argentina, and listening to the malvo trolls attitude on this forum it isnt a big surprise why not.
“the more intolerable and isolated their lifes become.”
Jun 14th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well someone is swallowing the crap they call propoganda!
His best yet, Lmao again.
Develverlo- get you facts right old fella! - our standard of life and quality of life coninues to rise each year with good communications and lionks with countries like UK- Chile- Uruguay etc.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its you folks who are irrelevant today.
As regards important Int support? we have the country that matters - UK. Europe correctly stays out of it. Canada and other important Commonwealth nations are on our side - others take a more neutral position - and why shouldnt they.
USA - neutral - but clearly getting fed up with your side,s ranting and becoming more inclined to back the Islanders rights.
Latin America? - gives Argentina words and a votes in meaningless irrelevant Int Committes that have no power - purely to keep you President shut-up so she does not give them all earache! whilst quirtly maintaining and developing links with the Islands where it suits them.
Be fair what are the choices?
Jun 14th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Intolerable life's and isolation?
Or
Argentine Rule.
No contest, the former sounds infinitely better!
@32
Jun 14th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I note the draft resolution from the C24 from June 4th 2013.
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N13/353/39/PDF/N1335339.pdf?OpenElement
I notice it refers to the “people's” of the Non-self governing territories.
Surely, (if your nonsense were to be believed), the UN should have written, “ the people's of the non-self governing territories where Argentina permits the inalienable right to self determination, or the populations where it doesn't”
By not specifying in this way, it suggests that the populations of each non-self governing territory are a “people”, thereby suggesting they all have a right to self-determination.
Please can you get Mr Ban to update with the specific text which Denys the Falklanders the right.
Cheers
magic
16 Steve-33-uk
Jun 14th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0totaly agree =thus
Like some have said, the ICJ is the right and legal place to go,
Argentina/CFK on the other hand knows this very well, that is why she is desperately trying to get them by default, getting as many countries as possible on their side,
And yet amazingly not one of argentine supporters has even suggested taking it to the JCJ.
Eye wonder why??
Devolverislas - are an Argentino? I really think you ought to know that I believe you and other trolls are blinded by their arrogance.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many more Latin American countries than those you mention above and I can assure you that, in spite of Timerman's statements, the average man and woman in the street in pretty well all Latin America really couldn't care less about the Argentine claim to the Falklands archipelago. Indeed, most Latin Americans think that Argentina is only good for drinking mate and exporting footballers.
PEOPLES BY MALVINAS
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Peoples is a project that aims to build territorial depth and massive social membership to the Cause Malvinas regional and global level.
We want more and more South American and world citizens are aware of the future importance of the Malvinas and Antarctica vector for our development and our collective prosperity. All states of South America and many brethren countries throughout the world and have supported our cause solid diplomatic realizing the intergovernmental framework that legitimized the claim nourishes our country.
Peoples Malvinas looking, in this sense, build enduring social foundations deeply embedded in the collective memory and henceforth mean the Cause Malvinas as a popular cause specific to each inhabitant of South America and beyond.
The anchor regional and global conflict, constitute the people of our people in the real partners and guarantors of the cause, those that transcend the vicissitudes of political life and the immediate interests of the states.
If Malvinas reaches deep into the hearts of our people, then, Malvinas is a cause of the future, future generations because of loyalty, but mainly seed that could grow transgenerational solidarity. To this we aim, to consolidate what is not happening, right now that the political and strategic conditions have enabled.
Peoples Falklands is just what its name suggests, the People asking for our common heritage and future of our real economy.
See the following links:
http://pueblospormalvinas.org/
http://pueblospormalvinas.org/
Mail: face1354@hotmail.com
What a load of shite!
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Politic speak for we want to ethnically cleanse someone elses land and establish our own colony!
51 raul2
Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get forty million signatures makes not one iota of difference it's not a situation that's amenable to a vox populi solution. If you seriously wanted to contest the UK's sovereignty the ICJ is available. But of course that's not going to happen because Argentina knows she wouldn't succeed, so it's back to the pot-banging.
True and them being so fond of running off to or threatening to run off to other international courts. Must be listening to their lawyers on this one.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 HansNiesund “population” versus “people”
Jun 15th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The word “population”, in the special case of the Falkland Islanders, has always been used in all the conclusions, recommendations and resolutions of the UN Sub-Committee III, Fourth Committee and the General Assembly.
Not a people, no right of self-determination.
@51 raul2
Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Incredible. Even by the normal levels of stupidity shown by some of the plastic Spanish imperialists that comment on this website, you are a real standout character.
Don't you realise that if you start out with an idea that is morally wrong it doesn't matter how many 'Argentinians' you get to sign to say that they agree, the greater number just actually makes your country look an even bigger embarrassment than it already does.
How about if you get 3 million signatures saying it's okay to gas Jews, 5 million signatures seem to bring slavery back, or 20 million signatures saying that it should be legal to steal televisions from Brazilians on a Monday afternoon?
Children have a habit of thinking that by repeating the words “I want…”, they will get their own way. This is international politics, not a child's temper tantrum, and trying to annex an culturally different island population hundreds of miles away is totally unacceptable in the modern civilised world.
If you think Argentina has an exceptional case, you should petition your government to take that case to the appropriate court (although how you can truly think that justice would be served by handing control of the Falkland Islands over to Buenos Aires we felt the same court ruling effectively destroying most of the nations of South America, I don't know).
All this petition achieves is alerting the rest of the world to the proportion of Argentina's population that is fascist imperialist scum. Well done, I'm sure the Falklanders appreciate the hard work in highlighting their current situation with the nutjobs over the water.
That would be those lot of biased gob shites of the. C 24, Would it?
Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or is it another bunch of biased gob shites?
Since when if ever? do their recommendations or resolutions of any UN committee, override the articles of the UN Charter?
Oh that's right, NEVER!
Self determination does apply, MR BKM is wasting his time with this bloody lot, pointless reminding them of what he as said on the subject, they are only going to ignore it anyway and hope it goes away. Children!!!!
All irrelevent anyway, because you lot never had sovereignty over the Islands and you never will, so carry on with the same old BS of trying to deny a fundamental human right to Islanders, all your doing is showing your true colours, for all to see.
@55
Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for pointing that out. And since the mandate of the C24 covers only “colonial countries and peoples”, and not “populatlions”, I guess you'll be telling them to keep their noses out?
@55
Jun 15th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Touché?
I believe if you go back far enough you will find that at one of the very early meetings of the C24, or maybe even its predecessor, the UK representative challenged their authority over the situation as it was a 'Sovereignty Issue' as opposed to a 'Colonial Issue' but the committee, in their infinite wisdom, decided that they did have jurisdiction.
Poor Devolverislas
Jun 15th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hinging arguments on semantics.
Wondering if Devolverislas has noticed that the UN has:
-never said the Islands are Argentine
-never said that the Islanders should NOT have self determination
-never said the UK expelled another population
-never said the UK cannot grant the Islands independence
-never said the current population is implanted
-never said the UK does not have sovereignty
-said the Islands are non-self governing not occupied
-said that no “Security Council members are violating relevant UN resolution”
@55
Jun 15th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is a lie. The word people has been used dozens of times to describe each of the populations of the non-self governing territories.
including as recently as June 4th this year.
By the very links you have posted, the UNGA refused to deny self-determination to the “non self governing territories where a sovereignty dispute exists”.
this ridiculous shite that you keep posting is wrong.
And Delover joins the cesspit of human infamy who decided that people who stand in their way aren't really people so they can justify doing anything they want to them.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fascist trash to the end. I'm sure he thinks he's in good company.
@55
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One might expect if the UN had finally resolved one of the thorniest legal questions there is, and overturned its fundamental founding principle, they might some effort to tell the world about it, perhaps by passing a resolution or even amending the Charter. As it is, people might easily get confused, and might even conclude it's all just another Malvinista delusion, and an extremely far-fetched one at that.
It's right up there alongside the FORTY UN resolutions the UK have failed to comply with.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly, sometimes I wonder if I am living on the same planet as some of these
people, it feels like an episode of the, “Twilight Zone.”
@51
Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We want more and more South American and world citizens are aware of the future importance of the Malvinas and Antarctica vector for our development and our collective prosperity.”
This suggests that you are Imperialists, andwould be colonialists then?
Where next do you want to invade?
64 reality check
Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean the none-binding advisements, which amount to no more than political pot-banging. The UK has never been in breach of any international law ever. Whereas, Argentina's conduct has been so nefarious she couldn't even get her foot inside the ICJ, as she would be estopped under the principle of extinct prescription,
If that means they would have gone there years ago, if they thought they had a hope in hell of winning. I agree with you.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 55 Devolverislas
Jun 18th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Not a people, no right of self-determination.”
REALLY - Perhaps you would like to explain how that statement and the following extract (taken from UN General Assembly Resolution 67/134) compare?
“To continue to examine the political, economic and social situation in the
Non-Self-Governing Territories, and to recommend, as appropriate, to the General Assembly the most suitable steps to be taken to enable the populations of those Territories to exercise their right to self-determination, including independence, in accordance with the relevant resolutions on decolonization, including resolutions on specific Territories;”
The full Resolution is available here just so that you, or anyone else, cannot say it has been quoted out of context:
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/134
#68
Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution A/RES/67/134 applies only to “peoples” and your extract coincides with no paragraph in the text.
Devolverislas
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do believe you have severe reading and comprehension problems.
Biguggy's quite is quite easy to find. Point 7(c).
3rd paragraph 3rd page.
Here's some better quotes:
“to take all steps necessary to enable the peoples of the Non-Self- Governing Territories concerned to exercise fully as soon as possible their right to self-determination, including independence”
5th paragraph 2nd page.
“Affirms once again its support for the aspirations of the peoples under colonial rule to exercise their right to self-determination, including independence”
8th paragraph 2nd page.
“Urges the administering Powers concerned to take effective measures to safeguard and guarantee the inalienable rights of the peoples of the Non-Self- Governing Territories to their natural resources and to establish and maintain control over the future development of those resources, and requests the relevant administering Power to take all steps necessary to protect the property rights of the peoples of those Territories”
12th paragraph 3rd page.
“assistance to the Non-Self-Governing Territories and to continue to do so, as appropriate, after they exercise their right to self-determination, including independence”
3rd paragraph 4th page.
And let's not forget the liberal use of the word PEOPLES throughout the show document.
So please now show proof that none of this applies to the Falkland Islands. Because this document clearly applies to ALL non-self governing territories as listed by the UN.
Betcha can't. Betcha fudge the issue. Betcha deflect. Betcha lie lie lie.
@69 Devolverisla
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LIAR!!
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