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Falklands have never been part of Argentina and Islanders overwhelmingly voted to remain British
The following piece was written by Andrew Ayre, British High Commissioner in Georgetown, Guyana and published in StabroekNews from Guyana. Read full article
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Jun 14th, 2013 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another bitch slap for CFK. If they're not careful the UK will be accused of bullying Argentina on the world stage........oh wait, that already happened with the humiliatioin of 1982. Oh well, some people never learn.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite blunt isn't it.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems UK is turning around this propaganda war. Considering Argentina can't actually articulate proof or facts, I would say that going forward Argentina is going to find itself more and more tongue-tied when they bring up the matter.
How dare Mercopress to give attention to those who claim Malvinas are british. Everyone who has read the book “History facts 'they' don't want you to know about”, by Kevin Trudeu, knows the truth. Las Malvinas son y siempre seran argentinas.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL jk
Ah yes, Kevin Trudeau: February 6, 1963 (age 50)
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lynn, Massachusetts, USA
Occupation: Author
Known for: Promoting alternative medicine;
criminal convictions for fraud and larceny;
regulatory settlements with the FTC and eight state Attorneys-General for false claims and misleading representations.”
Its all flooding back, those amazing memory infomercials with Danny Bonaduce.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very disappointing behaviour from Guyana.
http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/opinion/editorial/03/24/voice-of-the-people/
Ah..... another fresh, fabulous and free day for the Falklands. Getting on with their lives and doing as they please. What a wonderful feeling. It brings a smile to ones face....have a great day.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just the facts, nothing more, nothing less.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which is a stark change from the lies and propaganda of the other side.
The truth always finds its way out, no matter how big or strong the organization on the other side is.
And this is why we spend over 60bn on defense to protect our people.
About time that we went on the offensive.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0l, personally have had enough of Argentina's lies.
Spread the word, folks.
The Falklands belong to the Falklanders & Argentina can sob & cry forever & a day, they just make me laugh!
9. I have never understood why the Falklands doesn't have a “trade and tourism” mission in DC. They need to be promoting the Islands to State, Congress, Senate and probably hire a good lobbying firm to keep the USA aware of the Arg aggression.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arg Embassy has been blackballed, they can't get an appt with anyone high up. They might as well close the Embassy until CFK is “retired”.
TH Falklands should consider it I think it would be well worth the investment.
@9
Jun 14th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have much the same thoughts as you and as the RG's have recently changed one small detail of their 'claim' why not use that to question the validity of every other disputed point of their claim?
'They' are now admitting, very quietly, that there was no expulsion of general citizens in 1833, only the “ Argentine authorities”. This means that the original submission to the UN was incorrect and that the presentation by CFK to the C24 Committee last year contain at least one untruth, how many more did it contain? Further more this 'change of tack' has not been openly admitted and apologized for but 'sneaked in', perhaps with the hope that 'no one will notice'?
We are all human and we all make mistakes but I was 'brought up' that when you do make a mistake, you acknowledge it, explain, if possible how the mistake was made, and what, if possible you will do/have done to correct it. All Argentina has done, as far as I can make out, is 'slip it in'and hope no one notices, fat chance!
How many more lies can easily be exposed in the Argentine 'claim'? I would suggest that the next one is the wording of the agreement between England and Spain in 1771, it is so easy to prove that the RG version is in error.
“ This agreement consisted of a Declaration by which Spain returned Port Egmont to the British in order to save the honour of the King of England, making express reservation of its sovereignty over the whole of the Malvinas Islands, and an Acceptance of the Declaration in which Great Britain remained silent as to the reservation of Spanish rights.”
Absolute BS! Copies of the 'Agreement' are available in London and Spain and they state no such thing.
@1 Never listen to anything that doesn't suit your bigotry, right? Even if it's the TRUTH.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind. You are irrelevant.
@10 Could it be because the United States isn't seen as a “friend”? In 1982, the United States wasted time trying “shuttle diplomacy” instead of declaring unequivocal support for its long-time “ally”. Or is the United Kingdom only an “ally” when it suits? For many British people, the United States is now seen as an unreliable “friend/ally”. In essence, the United States is now seen as no more trustworthy than argieland. U.S. companies may be able to involve themselves. But the U.S. government will need to pick its side of the fence. As has been proved, the United Kingdom does not need the United States in order to protect the Islands. We did without you in 1982 and still won. I wouldn't spend 5¢ on U.S. “help”. We are aware that the United States does nothing unless it is in its interests. Well, you can't have Falklands oil unless you pay for it. The Falklands and its resources belongs to the Falklanders. Could it be time for the American people to tell the American government what to do? If it is, try telling the American government to end victimisation of BP.
@11 Biguggy, you say that the Argentinians have changed their story - where have you seen the new version, it would be interesting to see the detail. Their version is so full of inconsistencies, it really does make it rather easy to disprove anyway.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All member nations of the Commonwealth who do not declare their support for their fellow members, the Falkland Islands, should have their membership suspended.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 There is no debate the Falklands have the right to self determination and the British to protect them.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mentioned in your post that you won in 1982 without our help (US). Well, partially true. Reagan offered you an aircraft carrier and you respectfully refused. Okay fair enough, but we gave you 100 sidewinder 9L (among other goodies), that helped shoot down a high number of Argentinean airplanes. Without that help it would have been much more difficult and costly for you. Besides, at the Air Force squadron we were betting if Argentina could put more pressure for another 2 weeks...you could have lost it. Personally, without the Sidewinders.......
Look back at history...we got you out of hot water more than once!.
@13 Molly
Jun 14th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history#09
scroll down to where they 'deal with' 1833.
I also understand, but have no link, that the same thing was in the propaganda put out by Timberhead at his 'gathering of the faithful' in London earlier this year.
@ atk357 #15
Jun 14th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767707/US-wanted-to-warn-Argentina-about-South-Georgia.html)
...Reagan also came to Thatcher and insisted that the British, on the verge of victory, open negotiations and allow the Argentinians to save face. There were also high ranking elements in the American government at the time that were staunchly PRO-Argentinean during the conflict. The American government was even considering forewarning Argentina of the retaking of South Georgia.
Looking back at history, America has gotten her allies into as much hot water as she has dragged them out of (See Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan)... and even in the instances where America did drag her allies out of hot water, it benefited America in terms of debt/war loans and a greatly increased expansion of America's influence/empire.
@15 We wouldn't expect anything less from partners in the much vaunted “special relationship”
Jun 14th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As JimLad says, it was a mixed bag with some factions in the US government offering us great support (eg fuel for the Vulcans, supplying sidewinders etc). Whether this was entirely altruistic or whether they were afraid we might pull the plug on Ascension, DG etc may come out at some point.
On the other hand there was a faction which was more interested in keeping SA sweet. Full marks to Maggie(I don't often say that) for telling Reagan to “foxtrot oscar” regarding his request to go easy on the RGs. That would have sent a green light to every tinpot dictator who had territorial amibitions.
Actually the AIM9-L Sidewinders came from NATO war stocks without reference to the USA. It was these war stocks which were then replaced by the USA. No 'giving' was involved. not that it made any difference as all 21 of the Argentine aircraft shot down by Sidewinders were shot down from the rear so the AIM-G's currently in use by the RAF would have done the job equally as well. The Argentine Air Forces main problem was their poor tactics and even poorer flying abilities. Don't take my word for it - read Sharkey Wards 'Sea Harriers Over the Falklands'.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17/18 It was really the Haig and Kirkpatrick block wanting to contain the Communists in SA. I'm on record here in saying that that vision of cold war realpolitik was flawed to say the least, but that was the way it was. Even in 82 there was a feel that this strategery was not in line with the US street who when given the choice of a long-term democratic ally and fascists cynically playing the anti-commiunist card to the breaking point, called BS and chose the UK.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is particularly frustrating is that variants of this “neutral” vision for some reason has stuck around at the State department to this very day. Stanley might as well be Taipei in their eyes. The legislative branch however has repeated bristled against this stale vision when given the opportunity. And as I've said here, as an American, I would mischievously and gleefully welcome some push-back from the UK foreign ministry and endorse Puerto Rico leaving US territory status and becoming a Free Associate, just to REALLY tweak the current administration and show them how it feels.
The UK has complied with UN resolutions - it held discussions and arrived at a formula with Argentina, under the so called sovereignty umbrella. There were agreements reached and signed in Madrid on fisheries, flights and hydrocarbons.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm18/1824/1824.pdf
Argentina has torn up all agreements, so this is not the UK's problem.
Ban Ki-Moon confirmed on 12th November 2012 that the UK was not in breach of ANY UN resolutions over the Falklands. UN 2065 is D E A D.
The UK is under no obligation to talk to Argentina about any matters concerning the sovereignty of the Falklands.
Pity that the Argentine public is so gullible.
YANKEE'S SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you remember this?
“Freedom Fries”
The 2003 Invasion of Iraq.......who were your allies?
UK .....Australia.....Poland
and yet.......
OBAMA: ‘WE DON’T HAVE A STRONGER FRIEND AND STRONGER ALLY’ THAN FRANCE
Yanks are so full of it!!!
Reagan......his only interest was putting an American Peace keeping force on the Falklands........it's what he offered.......how long would they have been there......forever!.......Hey Maggie I think our soldiers now need a military base for home comforts......“wad ya think”?
@18 Steveu
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Offering fuel for the Vulcans', perhaps not, perhaps complying with agreements?
When i was in Ascension in late 1969 I was advised, I do not know how correctly, that part of the agreement for the US to use Ascension was that they (the US) service UK military flights that landed there. I queried the number involved and was advised 'about one a year'.
There is also a book “Vulcan 607” by Rowland White which would seem to, at least partially, back up this point.
@ A_Voice #22
Jun 14th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obama seems to say that to every country he visits and/or leader he meets... not sure which is worse, having the American leader award praise where it isn't deserved, or cheapen any praise he gives by giving it to absolutely everyone that gives the US a thumbs up.
America lately seems to be the ultimate fair weather friend. Happy to call on allies like Australia, Britain et al to help fight wars that really only benefit America, and then ask/insist/demand the ability to base their troops and facilities in other nations, but doing very little, if anything, to reciprocate.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/06/14/falklands-have-never-been-part-of-argentina-and-islanders-overwhelmingly-voted-to-remain-british#comment254535: So, why would Australia and Britain help fight wars the benefit only the US? Are their leaders on drugs?
Jun 14th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 Ar Ar Jimlad..... pieces of Eight!
Jun 14th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My advice, which means nothing but an opinion, to Britain, is throw off the American Yoke, pull out of the Europe Union and ignore them…….
Combine with close Commonwealth countries like Canada…….Australia etc and form a Federation…….
and kick the Yanks out of Ascension, Diego Garcia, Bermuda and the UK....... that's the kind of Special Relationship they need!
@23 Interesting point - I read the book a couple of years ago so will read it again.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Dept of Defense did go above and beyond the call of duty to help the UK - they didn't have to give us the Sidewinders. The Reagan administration was clearly divided into two camps with Haig and Jeanne Kirkpatrick leading the other wing.
@ Hepatia #25
Jun 14th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It benefits America by providing ample access to resources (i.e. Iraqi oil), allowing American contractors to get lucrative jobs rebuilding the nation they've just bombed back to the stone age and adds more countries under America's influence.
It's helpful for countries like Australia, Britain, New Zealand et al, to lend assistance to America in an attempt to further obligate them to support and defend us if necessary. Which in my opinion is probably rather naive...
#15
Jun 14th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The offer for the carrier was refused because it would have taken about 6 months - which we did not have - to familiarise the RN crew to operate it. Also. the Fleet Air Arm would have had to get back the Phantoms and Buccaneers from the RAF and train the pilots and deck handlers in launching and recovery procedures. If I remember correctly there was also a problem with the Spey engined Phantoms using American carriers. Because UK carriers had shorter decks, the RN Phantoms had a longer nosewheel undercarriage to give them a higher angle of attack need to get airborne The RN carriers had more substantial decks which could take the full force of the afterburners which would damage a USN carrier's deck.
If we still had the Ark Royal in 1982, Argentina would not have invaded.
26 Think
Jun 14th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's interesting to see where you think you're trying to go with this your latest character. Is A Voice a friend of Doveroverdover's? At least you finally realised what a dumb arse dickhead you looked like with Dover. Just too bad you didn't realise it 6 months earlier like everybody else.
How may more names have you used? In fact, what is it with Wogs and multiple names? Tobias, TTT, Pope John Paul, etc. You can feel free to answer this also. You try to be the man of justness and even playing fields, etc and then you go and rack up over 20 different logins.
Credibility check anyone?
Chuckle chuckle.
Ya got it all wrong AGAIN ,
Jun 14th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is only one side in this conflict and its argentines side, and the sooner you lot accept it the better,
The argentine history is the right one
Falklands have never been part of Great Britain and Islanders overwhelmingly voted to remain Argentine,
It was the British that invaded in 1982 after we had looked after them for centuries giving them food , money , aid , medical help , hospitals , schools , roads , railways , bridges , waterways ,
And then the nasty British came along and destroyed it all,
And even today hold the islanders prisoners against their will,
Sarcasm at its most indoctrinated point,
Is this not true argie bloggers.
Still,
If ya want honesty truthfulness and democracy the British are here to help.
God save the queen…
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@15 atk357,
Jun 14th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EVERYTHING that you have “GIVEN” us has been paid for.
And we are still paying, being dragged into all your imperialistic wars around the world.
l have no problem with America desiring an empire, but get it yourselves, like we did.
None of the formally imperial nations(Germany, France, ltaly, Britain, Japan etc) had American help to expand.
l realise, of course, that you need us to “share the guilt” of invading other countries.
My father gave me a very good piece of advice that America would be wise to consider:-
“Be careful who you step on, on your way up, because you don't know who you will meet on your way down”.
The American Empire will not last forever.
No empire will last forever.
Egyptian,
Persian,
Greek,
Roman,
British,
All gone.
Whose turn is next, l wonder.
Probably China, then after China?????
The Falklands are NOT 'part of the United Kingdom', none of the British Overseas Territories are. French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Martinique, on the other hand, are constitutionally part of France with seats in the French Parliament. Back to London, High Commissioner.
Jun 14th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Thank you, I remember the article. As for our presidents...well we vote, but not always get the best choice. Each one has a much different approach to international politics....
Jun 14th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#33
Jun 14th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Back to London, High Commissioner.”
What are you on about ? Explain.....if you can.
15 atk357 (#)......For the love of jazus STOP blowing smoke up your ass,Americans just cannot help but play the hollywood hero, some times on a daily basis.( Even stealing another countries vivtories and claiming them as their own)..Further,YOU have no idea whatever what else the Brits had up their sleve,and trust me...they most certainly would NOT have divulged any of their plans to the U.S...Far to many big mouths there and they just cant be trusted to keep them shut....“FACT”...!
Jun 14th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 atk357
Jun 14th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice, now try to blame it on the President!
“Without that help it would have been much more difficult and costly for you. Besides, at the Air Force squadron we were betting if Argentina could put more pressure for another 2 weeks...you could have lost it. Personally, without the Sidewinders.......
Look back at history...we got you out of hot water more than once!.”
These were your thoughts not the Presidents'
Same old Yankee blind arrogance and lack of education……..I've heard you get a degree in the states by collecting the coupons from a Cornflake packet!
Taught in schools that America has won every war since and including 1812, when the truth is you have made an abortion of every conflict you have been involved with WW2….(created the cold war)…..Vietnam…Korea…..Iraq…..Afghanistan etc……great track record
It's my suggestion that you create the hot water!
So tell me what do you have planned for a finale?
@34 atk357.....ohh and just for the record...American NEVER gave the UK a single thing...Everything(Lend/Lease) paid for by the British tax payer..In fact the ONLY country to pay back its so called war debt...Once again a prime example of a loud mouthed American opening his/her mouth and letting the wind blow its tongue around..Just another example of American arrogance and they just dont seem to GET IT..why they are so unpopular..To bad really as there are many great Americans..!!
Jun 14th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 32 lsolde & 38 El capitano
Jun 15th, 2013 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not quite sure exactly what you mean by 'Everything'.
Should you be talking about WW2 'Lend-Lease' then certainly 'everything' was not paid for by the UK. What Britain finally finished paying back in 2006 was for 'supplies' received, at a 90% discount, after the war ended.
I cannot vouch for the absolute accuracy of the wikipedia entry at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
I do believe it is fairly accurate, well at least more-so than the Argentine claim to the Falklands.
@35 What are you on about ? Explain.....if you can.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can, but I shouldn't have to, but here we go
He said: '99.8% voted for the Falkland Islands to remain a British Overseas Territory (ie part of the United Kingdom) in March’s referendum.'
The Islands, as I pointed out, are not part of the UK. A senior diplomat, particularly one commenting on this issue, should be aware of the constitutional relationship between an Overseas Territory and the UK.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/06/14/falklands-have-never-been-part-of-argentina-and-islanders-overwhelmingly-voted-to-remain-british#comment254560: The US did not offer the UK an aircraft carrier during the Malvinas war. It offered a LPH, the USS Iwo Jima, which is an assault ship which can handle helicopters and, possibly, AV/8s. I remember this well because, at the time of the Malvinas war, I worked for Litton, a division of which built most of the LPHs, LHAs and LPDs for the USN.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is probably possible to launch an F4 from a LPH but not in the 6 month time frame quoted. Realistically the British would have operated helicopters and their Harriers from this ship. It was envisioned that the ship would have been crewed by US contract personnel with a UK Navy support crew.
A transfer of the ship to UK control would have resulted in a situation that would have been disastrous for US interests so it is fortunate that it did not happen. The offer was made in response a request from the UK. By the time of the offer US concerns were overwhelmingly dominated by one factor - the Soviet Union. (Astute UK observers will note, and possibly lament, the current absence of the USSR from the world stage.)
The US is currently maintaining its policy of neutrality. This is the correct policy. However, the long term interests of the US involve the return of the Malvinas Is. to Argentina. And this is what the US expects will happen. The US has no interest in an enclave in America which shall remain “forever British”.
PEOPLES BY MALVINAS
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Peoples is a project that aims to build territorial depth and massive social membership to the Cause Malvinas regional and global level.
We want more and more South American and world citizens are aware of the future importance of the Malvinas and Antarctica vector for our development and our collective prosperity. All states of South America and many brethren countries throughout the world and have supported our cause solid diplomatic realizing the intergovernmental framework that legitimized the claim nourishes our country.
Peoples Malvinas looking, in this sense, build enduring social foundations deeply embedded in the collective memory and henceforth mean the Cause Malvinas as a popular cause specific to each inhabitant of South America and beyond.
The anchor regional and global conflict, constitute the people of our people in the real partners and guarantors of the cause, those that transcend the vicissitudes of political life and the immediate interests of the states.
If Malvinas reaches deep into the hearts of our people, then, Malvinas is a cause of the future, future generations because of loyalty, but mainly seed that could grow transgenerational solidarity. To this we aim, to consolidate what is not happening, right now that the political and strategic conditions have enabled.
Peoples Falklands is just what its name suggests, the People asking for our common heritage and future of our real economy.
See the following links:
http://pueblospormalvinas.org/
http://pueblospormalvinas.org/
Mail: face1354@hotmail.com
The US expects the Falkland islands will be handed over to Argentina because they have no interest of a British enclave in the Americas, what, like Canada I suppose????
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0What have you been smoking?
Your saying they are neutral, then in the next sentence you are saying they are not.
Make your mind up, which is it?
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/06/14/falklands-have-never-been-part-of-argentina-and-islanders-overwhelmingly-voted-to-remain-british#comment254639: The US is maintaining its neutral stance in the conflict. And it expects that the Malvinas Is. will be returned to Argentina. I see no reason that both of those statements can be simultaneously true. Do you?
Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you get, that the US position is that the Falkands will be returned to Argentina from?
Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the US neutrality in the “conflict,” what “conflict?”
There is no conflict, that ended on the 14th of June 1982.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/06/14/falklands-have-never-been-part-of-argentina-and-islanders-overwhelmingly-voted-to-remain-british#comment254647: A correction - when I said “can be simultaneously true” I meant “can not be simultaneously true” - as is plain from the context.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said that the US expects the Malvinas Is. to be returned. Where do I get that from? From my own sources within the US government (where else?).
I have used “conflict” to describe the present situation. You can use “impasse” or a synonym if you prefer.
42 raul2
Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get forty million signatures makes not one iota of difference it's not a situation that's amenable to a vox populi solution. If you seriously wanted to contest the UK's sovereignty the ICJ is available. But of course that's not going to happen because Argentina knows she wouldn't succeed, so it's back to the pot-banging.
Oh! From your own sources within in the US government, well that that's okay then.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The rest of us will believe what the “actual” US government, publicly states it's policy is. I believe that is how it works.
Well according to my sources within Buckingham Palace, the Queen will veto any attempt to hand the Islands to a foreign country against the will of the people.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0She has also instructed Prince William, as the next monarch, on how he can graciously accept an addition of a new addition to his Realm.
According to my sources, that is.
He, she must have been hanging out with Maduro? I mean, fancy coming up with the old, “A little birdie told me” line.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not exactly what I would call empirical evidence, for the US position on the future of the Islands, now is it?
#44
Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0it expects that the Malvinas Is. will be returned to Argentina.
So what you are saying is, from your sources in the White House is..that the US Government has recognised the so - called “legitimacy of Argentina's” sovereignty over the Falklands.
Interesting hypothesis. If this is the case then why do they not come out and say so instead of being “neutral” ?
As to Russia “leaving the world stage” I think you are a bit deluded on this point. Look at Syria - Russia is blocking attempts to have a settlement here. Under PUTIN,it is becoming a totalitarian state again with all that entails for its immediate neighbours..
@46 Hepatia
Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0How much longer does your inside man at the State Department think the world's lat remaining 1930s-style social demagogracy can survive into the 21st century? Will its nationalist myth be enough to compensate for its incompetence, corruption, and increasing isolation?
@30;
Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, - and that's not the only one on this thread.
The exsessive use of full stop's in the paragraphs is a bad habit.......... Isn't it?.........
46 Hepatia (#).............Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...(((Laughter)))...!!
Jun 15th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 046. Hep, Can you ask your contact at US State how long Argentina will be blackballed and not able to get an appt with anyone significant?
Jun 15th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you also ask him when he thinks CFK will be indicted and Argentina declared a rogue state and thrown out of the G20?
46 Hepatia
Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can your spy tell us if Argentina will be returned to the native inhabitants?
Or perhaps all of the Americas to its native inhabitants.
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@44
Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And it expects that the Malvinas Is. will be returned to Argentina. ”
It's a bit difficult for them to be returned to a country that has not had them in the first place.
The last country to have shared a claim on the Falkland Islands with Britain was Spain.
By the time the Republic of Argentina was formed in 1853, the British had claimed the Islands since 1690, and first settled them in 1765.
And that even before the states were indipendent was it not.
Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57
Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain recognised the Government of “Buenos Ayres” in 1825
February 2nd, the Treaty of Amity, Commerce, and Navigation is signed by Woodbine Parish on Britain’s behalf; “In spite of the difficulties caused by intrigues on the part of the United States to obtain “most favoured nation” terms with Buenos Ayres, and to prove that a treaty of commerce was no recognition, and that consequently the United States were, and remained, the only true friends of the United Provinces,..”
So what has 1853 got to do with it?
An enclave in America?
Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Point one, in English, 'America' refers to the 'United States of America', not to 'the Americas', which is a plural noun, hence 'North America', 'Central America' and 'South America'.
Point two, enclaves have land borders, just as islands have none. Strictly speaking, enclaves are entirely surrounded by the same country, like San Marino by Italy and Lesotho by South Africa, as opposed to exclaves, like Ceuta and Melilla, which border on Morocco, which claims them, but aren't surrounded by it. Or indeed, French Guiana, which, as part of the French Republic, and part of the European Union, is a French, and European, exclave in South America.
@15 Thank you for your comment. Try some history. Where did you (US) get radar and sonar? On your carriers, where did you get the mirror landing system and the angled deck? Where did you learn to make jet aircraft properly? And, in 1982, those Sidewinders were BOUGHT. And look back. When you, eventually, got into WW2, we told you about blackouts and sailing in convoy. Didn't listen, did you? Remember 'Operation Torch', where you learned that the enemy shoots back? How about “the air war”? Enjoy having your aircraft shot down, did you? Told you not to bomb in daylight. Why are you desperate for British support in your adventures? Remember Vietnam? No British support and you LOST! For all your “goodies”, time you recognised where the experience and intelligence is! While we're at it, could you try remembering that Ascension Island is BRITISH territory. And you tried telling US that we couldn't land there. Try remembering your place!
Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Depends what's in OUR interests. WE didn't go to Vietnam!
@34 How much better to have a monarch. Learned anything yet?
@41 You were doing okay until you got to the last paragraph. Then you lost it on the basis that “America” is better than Britain. Not in a million years.
@42 Rabid Aggressive Uneducated Lout 2-faced. Go away, little boy. Before I piss and drown you.
@44 Depends. Does the U.S. want a war with the U.K.?
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Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LBJ was desperate for the UK to “internationalise” the Vietnam war. He asked PM Wilson to send a high profile British regiment -the Black Watch - the ones that burned down the White House in 1812 ! Wilson had the good sense to keep us out of a civil war that the USA eventually lost.
If Argentina succeeds in regaining the Falklands, Madam Cristina's son will be made Governor and will take over all Oil and Fishing Revenues! All the Islanders will be given a free one way ride in C-130s over the South Atlantic!...while mummy and her cronies go on plundering Argentina's wealth!
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Raul (42)
Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the Cause Malvinas as a popular cause specific to each inhabitant of South America and beyond” - with exception of the people living on the islands in question.... what a lovely, thoughtful and caring cause.
@36, I think I gave thanks to #17, not to you. I recommend for you to seek help, “anger management”.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 way out on the left field on that one...not even in the ball park!
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Jun 18th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Madam Cristina's son will be made Governor”
The seat of government with therefore move to Sealion Island, where Maximo will sunbathe, indistinguishable from the Elephant seals
ARF! ARF! ARF! Pass the Bong Gringo! ...oh...and throw another Kelper out the back of the plane!
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