Argentina’s Supreme Court has ruled that the controversial Counsel of Magistrates reform, drafted by the Cristina Fernández (CFK) administration, is unconstitutional and suspended the election of the twelve members up for the popular vote in the next election. The result was six votes in favour and one against. Read full article
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Good on the Judiciary. Keep the dictators at bay.Jun 19th, 2013 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Democracy must be defended and an independent Judiciary is there to stop the government abusing the people.
Another nail. In. CFK's political. Coffin.Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I smell a hatchet job coming along very shortly and another ruling, watch this space!Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
6 to 1 thats pretty decisive, 50% need to change their mind to get it through,the Constitution wins !Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Hero Judges save Argentina.
Real democracy wins....Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Another victory for Argentina.Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
This is very good for democracy in Argentina, yet Medina comes out calling this an offense to the Argentine people. The real offense to the Argentine people was the attempt to consolidate power in the presidency by attempting to control the judiciary and eliminate it's independence.Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I can notwait to read the comments of the nationalist and fascist Peronists about thi issue. This resolution of the Supreme Court is very important because, unlike what happens in Venezuela or Bolivia, Argentina justice has curbed the desire of excessive power of a SA populist government. Good for all of us !!!!Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
It's mighty cold in BA today, due to lack of funds CFK canceled 1/2 of the LNG shipments that were due in June and large business have only been getting 1/2 the gs they need until (possibly) this weekend.Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Is it winter yet?
They owe Bolivia U$180MM from March
Excellent news which shows there are still judges who cannot be beaten down by the screaming of TMBOA.Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
it´s so good!Jun 19th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
now la compora will rock the supreme court and install their members to supervise the politics.
what does ck now do? if it would not be so bad, it would be funny to follow the actions of the ck-gang, finding always new idiotic answers.
I think we can probably expect some rant about there judges being traitors to the people, betraying the nation etc, etc, etc. cue Anti terrorist legislation? Seems to be their favourite when they do not get thing all their own way.Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
This is really good news, somebody had to put a stop to the kirchner state dictatorship & their 'vamos para todo' campaignJun 19th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Even though there is still no credible opposition in Arg, it was left to the old fart conservative judges in the SC to put a spoke in CFK's attempt at controlling the judiciary
However it's not over by a long run & already the Campora are intimidating the judges at their homes & FannyBoy Hernandez is calling it 'not serious'
Get ready for more fireworks!!!
5 Canadian MendozaJun 19th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Real democracy wins ...
Lose the democratization of justice ....
Real democracy loses .....
Banned vote, prohibit democratization of justice.
Pathetic and pitiful. They won legal corporations that supported state terrorism in Argentina (Videla and Galtieri). Smiles followers of genocide.
Real democracy lost but recovered thanks to the memory of the citizens and the decline of corrupt judiciary.
THE SO CALLED INDEPENDENCE.Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It's ovious that many of the reactionary people who just hate c. f. k., and who never propose any idea but insults, celebrate this judgement, however what those idiots don't realize, is that is that one of the most important ways to start to change such a corporative and conservative sector like judiciary power, is by mean popular will.
On the other hand, what those ignorants also don't know, is that choosing the members of the couceall of magistrates by mean popular will, is not a kirchnerist invention, actually it exists in different countries, like in u. s. a., and bolivia. In some states from u. s. .a, people choose statal judges in popular elections, and some of them are partisan, so, why can't we do it too.
Beside, the usuall hypocresy and ignorance of many pople, don't let them see that actually the links between judges and politic have always existed, and they will always exist, that's why i wish we had the chance of choosing the members of the couceall, because if we see that they don't do a good work, people will have the oportunity to remove them and change them for others.
Anyway, the positive aspect of the court's decision, is that it destroyed some stupit concepts repeated by many ignorants, who don't think, and who just parrot the usuall distortions published in the corporative press, which has a great push of power with c. f. k.'s govt. I mean exactly the soposed controll made by c. f. k. over justice. This is evident that if c. f. k. wanted to controll justice, nothing would be more convenient for her govt. than having an adict suprem court, like menem had during his presidence.
I have always thought that this court has been a great step, after the disastrous court of the 90's, in fact, i celebrated some of it's judgments, which some of them were against c. f. k's govt., but unfortunatelly, it has shown in different moments that it doesn't have enough bravery, in order to confront against powerfull corporations.
because if we see that they don't do a good work, people will have the oportunity to remove them and change them for others.Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You are a naive little boy.
@15 Democracy isn't purchasing the votes of some people with money stolen from the rest, and securing more votes from those that blindly believe what the government says.Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Look around. Rape, murder, animal abuse, theft and assault are rampant. The police are lazy, stupid, and even participate in those offenses. Cristina isn't against Corporations. She is allied with some of the most dangerous ones such as Cheveron and Monsanto. She just doesn't like anyone who exposes her corruption.
Democracy is difficult to maintain, and requires a well educated and conscious populous. Everywhere you look, there's someone that would sell someone else's freedom over a TV, and a basket of food. There are people that have their heart in the right place, but they can't articulate their ideas or even form them.
CFK's agenda is no different than Nero, who burned large portions of Rome to build himself an extravagant palace. She's not any better.
The motive behind the council is not to introduce democracy, but to consolidate power. Just realize that Constitutional Law is only procedure, and the way it is used, determines whether it is just or not.
@14Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Try living in a real democracy instead of playing at it.
It's a fundamental principle of a democracy, that the executive and the judiciary should be separate and independent of each of other. It is the duty and role the judiciary to curb the excesses of the executive, using the rule of law, so that absolute power does not rest with anyone person.
It's your country, by all means change it, but do not fucking insult the rest of us by insisting that you would still be a democracy, because that's bullshit!
All you are doing is swapping one type of dictatorship for another, from military to civilian.
Then you need to find other ways of selecting and empowering your judiciary, other than by selection of candidates for election by the incumbent government.
Do not try and justify by it saying they will be fairly elected, because they will not.
They will be elected by fraud and corruption, in the same way that your current government was elected.
Axel, Argentina is not a democracy it is too corrupt and your population is too stupid and easily bought. The best you can hope for is a Dictator like Pinochet to come in, root out the corruption, get rid of the Union influence and try to get the country out of it's current state in the next generation.Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If that doesn't happen with the next gov't your country is doomed to be the South American Zimbabwe within the next decade. Just as bad as Venezuela is currently.
@14 You must try harder. Your comment is gibberish. If you take a look at the Note above, you will see this. Comments must be in English. This does not mean stringing a load of English words together and hoping they make sense. If you can't make an intelligent comment in English, stop abusing other people's intelligence.Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@15 Ah, good ole argel. Did you know that your English is getting worse? Were you in a paddy at the time? Did you notice that ”to be able to present candidates to the counsel, a political party must have national representation in eighteen districts (provinces), without counting any possible inter-party alliances. In fact, the only party to have such representation is the governing Frente Para la Victoria (FPV). If you can't see that that amounts to government control of the judiciary, you're more stupid than I thought. And I thought that you were pretty stupid. So far, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being less stupid and 10 being immeasurably stupid, I rate you at about 9. You actually believe the garbage your government comes out with, don't you?
@16 No, he's worse than that. He's a teacher. In argieland, teacher” is a job you try to get if you don't have the qualifications to make it as a roadsweeper, cesspit cleaner or manual sewage system operative (shit stirrer). axel reckons he's a geography teacher and that his role is to educate his students in the context of events in geography. No doubt he leads the brainwashing sessions. And why not? His brain has been comprehensively pre-washed, soaked, bleached, washed, spun and dried. It may be out on a washing line somewhere as we speak. Alternatively, given the current shortage of electrical power, it may just have been slapped on a flat stone on the bank of a river for a while!
@14, 15Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Poor little brainwashed children of La Campora, this is not about democratizing the judiciary for a better more just legal system as spouted by CFK & Pagina 12 everyday
This is all about a personal vendetta against Clarin started by Nestor & continued by the MBOA in order to win control of the media. For over 4 years the media law has been stalled by various levels of the judiciary & the Kirchners realized that they would never win this battle with the current system
So CFK's advisors with their arrogant 'vamos para todo' attitude decided to go after the very judiciary that was preventing them from winning the media battle
Now they have lost on both fronts & if you really believe that this was all about a better justice for all then I really do feel sorry for you
The fact is one powerful corporation i.e. Kirchner State dictatorship is trying to win a battle against another one Clarin & is abusing the constitution & the rights of all RGs in the process!!!
15 axel argJun 19th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Axel excellent analysis. I reiterate that unfortunately has triumphed corporate corruption court always benefited the powerful economic and media groups (Clarín and La Nación) still supporting genocide and state terrorism Videla and Galtieri.
We have been waiting for justice 31 years
Organizations of former conscripts held a protest yesterday courts to claim that the Court is issued. Want to be considered against humanity, torture and killings during the 1982 war.
See the following link:
18 reality check
Try living in a real democracy instead of playing in it.
Pathetic and pitiful. You try to live in a real democracy. Its democracy is a lie. Bet on racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English.
Just look at a timeline to realize colonialism, genocide, terrorism English in 500 years of history.
Unfortunately you do not have the moral authority to give lessons to anyone.
@22 raul2Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Do you actually believe the crap you spout?
Obviously not, or you would put more work into researching it.
As for the UK, it's Parliament is called the Mother of ALL Parliament's, because the Parliaments in ALL democratic countries are BASED upon the British model.
As for you mentioning colonialism. Just where did your family originate from? What language is spoken in Argentina? Mapuche? Wichí? Kolla? Toba? Huarpe? Mocoví? Guaraní? Diaguita?
No it is Spanish isn't it? A european language.
The Spanish did far more damage to South America than the British did to North America.
In fact the descendants of the Spanish colonists who murdered the indigenous tribes of Argentina and stole their land, continue to murder and steal their land today, in the 21st century.
You talk about what happened in Britain's past, whilst conveniently ignoring the misery on suffering Argentines are inflicting on the Native peoples TODAY this very moment.
How very hypocritical of you.
Our last dictator died in 1658!Jun 19th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
When was your last one ousted?
1983 wasn't it?
Perhaps the more pertinent question should be,
When is the next one coming along?
The answer to that is, they way you are going, soon, very very soon!
We have had TV longer than you have had democracy!
Now you can go back to spouting your, imperial, colonial, terrorist, genocidal rhetoric, it still will not get you something which was never yours, sovereignty over the Falklands.
23 lepreconJun 19th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You talk about what happened in the past in Britain, while conveniently ignoring the misery they are inflicting suffering Argentines indigenous people today right now.
How hypocritical of you.
Pathetic and unfortunate:
You are a real hypocrite! You support racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English.
You and forgets that the Indians are integrated to Argentina, They are from Argentina but unfortunately not deny that there Argentinos unfair mistreat the Indians. I do not deny that we have social conflicts as have all countries.
In the UK today made racist practices Romanians and Bulgarians living in England.
But the magnitude of the structural mass genocide carried out by the UK in 500 years of history is inexcusable and unjust, and continue performing it in the 21st century.
You forget that Britain in 500 years of history, committed genocide three times more than Nazi Germany. For worse still with the same policy of terrorism and murder to solve world conflicts with nuclear bomb threats which are not subjected to colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English.
You forget the genocide, preventive war and humanitarian bombing civilians carried out by the UK in Libya, Iraq, Mali and Afghanistan.
To make matters worse in the 21st century you support these crimes in the UK!
See the following link: Disappearances, murders of Native Canadian women investigated
¡¡¡ You really are a true hypocrite who supports racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English. !!!
Ermmmm Raul2....Hate to piss on your parade, but Canada isn´t part of the UK and samll point, but quiet important if you are going to spout sh1t.Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
25 raul2Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Large on rhetoric without one iota of proof, what's the link about the disappearances, murders of Native Canadian women investigated got to do with the UK, moron?
@25, and what the hell has that got to with the UK?Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Did three times genocidal than the Nazis did, ah so that explains why you gave them a save haven for the rest of their miserable scum bag lifes! Because they were only a third as genocidal as the British! Lucky bastards, if they murdered 18 instead of 6 million, they would have been well and truly buggered. They might never have been embraced by the republic!Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
25 raul2Jun 19th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Did you read the link?
Does God hear your prayers?
Are you ashamed that you tell lies and that God knows this?
Do you want to spend the rest of your life in hell? Oh, oh. You will anyway if you stop int The Dark Country.
Good luck with the bullshit: from an atheist! Ha, ha, ha.
Raul2|you Prick try reading things before gobbing off little man I THINK your stupider than .......................well THINKDoderyoverdovervestige 2 etcJun 19th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
A nother day,,,Another nail..Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
hell awaits for liars , bullys , And CFK supporters..
That's council, not counsel - hay diferencia en inglés.Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@25 raul2Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Looks like I hit a nerve.
Native Amerindians are NOT integrated into the 'glorious' Argentine republic. They are 2nd class citizens with no rights whatsoever.
Also please provide so evidence of all the 'genocide' that the UK has committed in the 21st century? Or even the 20th century?
No? No evidence to support your racist rants.
Interesting statement from CFK, “When somebody was telling me yesterday that they were sad, I told them to leave sadness for a movie or a soap opera. Us militants need to be happy and ready for the next battle , because the only battle you lose is the one you don’t fight and we will keep fighting,” she concluded.Jun 20th, 2013 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
SHE'S CRAZY ! who does she think she is, a bloody leader of a military..
@24 I think you'll find that argieland's last dictator died in 2010! What difference does it make if he called himself president?Jun 20th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@25 What suffering Argentines indigenous people? Have you actually left more than 300,000 alive? You don't have social conflict. You have planned genocide. Performed by police officers. Name the last country that the UK colonised. And when. And the nuclear bomb threats. Libya? The UK was asked, actually begged, by the Libyan people to take action. Iraq? Where we freed the people from a mad dictator? Mali? Haven't done any bombing. Afghanistan? Yep. Done a bit of bombing. But then, so have the Taliban and Al Qaeda. This may come as a surprise to you, but it's a war! If we're such nasty people, why don't we just send a few nuclear warheads? Just think. Two missiles, 24 warheads, problem solved!
@35 Of course she's crazy. Certifiable. Us militants. The president of a democratic country shouldn't be a militant. Crazies like Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo were militants. That prat in North Korea is a militant. The Argentine people should note her statement. She's finally made a public statement that reveals her intentions. Does she really think that the Argentine people are so thick? The argies are. But what about Argentines? A reform that requires 12 out of 19 members of the council to be from the FPV? What about it, Argentines? That's what your president thinks of you.
CFK's bid to emulate Adolf Hitler in drag has been postponed folks, but hopefully as the greatest gift assisting the Falkland Islands to stay free of Imperialist Argentina for good, long may she and Timmidman continue.Jun 22nd, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#25 You and forgets that the Indians are integrated to Argentina, They are from ArgentinaJun 22nd, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
People are humans and the masses of every country will have ignorant people. However it is quite another subject when the government condones racism and acts in racist manner towards it's own people, in particular the natural indigenous people of Argentina. The Pope is getting involved now. Watch christina.....God is watching you
MY ANSWER.Jun 22nd, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
When i see that most people who often answer my comments, are the same ignorant and reactionary forists, who usually make stupid and ignorant comparisons, or simplist analysis, i realize how difficult the debates in this forum are. I know i have said it in many oportunities, but unfortunatelly nothing has changed. If you don't have enough intellectual honesty, in order to discuss about something so complicated like politic is, then you shouldn't debate about it, because it's not for you, i recommend you to talk about irrelevant issues.
Anyway, i recognize also that not all the people here are reactionary or just ignorants who make idiot comparisons, there are some people who although i don't think like them, i coud have interesting interchanges of opinions in different oportunities.
In relation to my comment 15, i i said before that links between politic and justice have always existed , they will always exist, if some people prefer ignoring it, it's their problem, it won't change the facts.
On the other hand, can somebody be so stupid, in order to believe that judges don't have any politic preference or ideology, like any other citizen?, the fact that they aren't activists, it doesn't mean that they don't have any ideology or politic posture, so, it's hightly relative to say that due to the fact that they are chosen in a partisan elections, they will be adict to the current govt.
All judges have politic postures, although some idiots prefer ignoring it.
Beside, this mechanism exists in other countries, so, the only one obstacle, in order to implement judges popular election, are the caprices of such a recationary and conservative power like the judiciary one.
Finally, i want to recommend all those reactionary people who often insult me, or make simplist or ignorant analysis, not to asnwer my comments, because i want to have interesting discusions, and i won't be able to have them with mediocre people like you, because politic is not for you.