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Malvinas referendum has left dispute resolution “hostage in London”, claims Timerman
Foreign minister Hector Timerman once again anticipated Argentina’s willingness to overcome the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands sovereignty conflict through dialogue, but unfortunately a resolution of the dispute was ‘hostage in London’ and of UK’s ‘imperial disdain’. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOh Timerman, Timerman!!! You have eyes but you do not see. you have ears but you do not listen.... You are a waste of a human being really arn't you?
Jun 21st, 2013 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you take your comedy roadshow back home?
After that speech I'm now certain the UK must be paying Tinman to embarrass Argentina.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let the comedy continue! Good work Tinman!
LOL
It is a shame that the likes of China, Russia and banana republics like Argentina are destroying the UN and turning it into a circus freak show. The British government has wiped its hands of the C24 because it is corrupt, it really doesn't matter anymore what conclusions they come to, its not like they are even pretending not to be biased anymore. Having to listen to countries the most appalling human rights records pointing the finger and saying what is right and wrong, I just don't know how the Falklands representatives found the strength to sit there and listen to it.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The very fact that members of the committee are not even prepared to get off their fat arses and visit the Falklands is frankly shocking.
I remember Margaret Thatcher once said that it wasn't a good idea to comment on a book you have never read, the same principle applies to the Falklands and the C24 have forgotten the very reason they came about.
What I find inexplicable about the approach of Argentina and their spokesman Timberhead is that on the one hand they claim the Islanders are British(UK) and not Falkland Islanders and then refuse to meet with the British delegation that will consist of people living in the Islands who by their claim are British and not Falkland Islanders - typical illogical RG's!
Jun 21st, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0This German implant just makes things up as he goes along... The UN has NEVER said that the Falklands “Question” is a violation of Argentine territorial integrity and the UK has NEVER limited the right of self determination for the Falkland Islanders.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny, ha ha. What obligation imposed by international law? If all UN members are supposed to “peacefully” resolve disputes, why is argieland conducting an economic war? The British military presence is occasioned by the activities of argieland. Nor is it concealed. The Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory. I see no “illegitimate” appropriation of natural resources. All I see is argieland demonstrating its national character by attempted theft. All those bodies mentioned are of no significance to the United Kingdom. And then he misrepresents French Polynesia. The United Kingdom is not showing “imperial disdain”, it is listening to the people of the Falkland Islands, as its duty under the relevant chapters of the UN Charter. A document that Herr Tinman might well be advised to read and try to comprehend. As for the “Committee”, it is long past its sell-by date. Argieland can sit at any table it likes. It was given the opportunity to meet with the Falkland Islands Government. It refused. The subject is CLOSED.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argetina can do nothing but whine, who they whine to is irrelevant.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK and FI can and will ignore them until they start bringing forward relevant ideas and get rid of this stupid “negotiation means sovereignty to us” approach.
That's just blatant colonialism and they know it..as would a unbiased c24.
Timerman, stop lying.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go home & do something useful.
Your country needs you(well they PAY you, don't they?)
All that you say about the Falklands are lies & its just so obvious.
Headline should read, 'Malvinas Referendum Has Left Argentina Up Sh*t Creek Without a Paddle.'
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0When will these ignorant in planted politicians understand the difference between Negotiations and “It's mine and I want it” only a fool would sit down to negotiate where one side as a pre determined outcome.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timberhead had the chance to talk whilst he was in the UK but failed to show up because he was advised that a couple of British Residents of the Falkland Islands would be present. Now this is the height of hypocrisy as the RG's claim the residents of the Islanders are not Falkland Islanders but British Squatters and will only negotiate between the UK(British) Government and the RG' Government, so their demands are met and they still refuse to 'talk'.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose next that the RG's will demand that the British Delegation consist only of school children, under 10 years of age so that there is no chance of any of their lies and demands being questioned. Some hope!
3 Britworker
Jun 21st, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I just don't know how the Falklands representatives found the strength to sit there and listen to it”
That should read “ I just don't know how the Falklands representatives kept a straight face while listening to it”
You've got to admit, it was worth the air fare just to listen to this comedy sideshow!! I'm sure ( unless the UN has NO sense of humour ) that the hipocrosy for the Argentine position is not lost on anyone else in the room either, and as Conqueror at #6 points out, they were given the opportunity to meet with the Falkland Islands Government in London and they refused that so, Yeah, case closed.
Timerman must be completely thick. His present strategy has totally failed and he has boxed himself in by refusing to meet with Britain and the Islanders. He knows that even if he does meet with them that he won't get anywhere even if he has 100% of the worlds peanut brigade at his shoulder. You would think that any foreign minister worth his salt would change tactics. Argentina is the loser because Timerman is totally incompetent. Even the trolls are silent with embarrassment! As Del often said Rodney (Hector) you are a plonker!
Jun 21st, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is completely pointless, and everyone involved knows it. There is no solution to the sovereignty dispute. Whoever has sovereignty, the other side will dispute it. Us pesky Falkland Islanders are the problem; we would never agree to any solution that gave any part of our sovereignty to Argentina. So whatever Britain and Argentina 'agreed', the dispute would go on.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have no problem at all with talks taking place. I think they should, so that we can all say we tried. It makes no difference whether the Falkland Islands representatives are in the same room, the room next door, or linked by video; Britain is not going to sign away our country without asking us. And then we can all go home and get on with things.
I also think, as part of this approach, that we shouldn't take part in the C24 any more. Our participation gives encouragement to Argentina's grandstanding, and gives a false air of legitimacy to their lies. I watched some of the proceedings yesterday and the whole thing was a disgraceful farce. We shouldn't be associating ourselves with something like that.
@ 14 Monty69
Jun 21st, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst yesterday's proceeding were undoubtedly a farce and I agree the Islanders attendance was basically a waste of time regarding the useless C24 taking any notice of what they said how else is the untruthful RG propaganda to be countered at this committee? Should the Islanders not attend next year who will point out the RG's lies? The fact that the RG's seem to have been able to hijack this committee to air their claim to sovereignty in my view has to be countered. The fact that, again in my view, said committee should not be listening to any claim respecting sovereignty, just to note that a sovereignty dispute exists. The committee could in my opinion, very easily report to the fourth committee that Falkland Islands and Gibraltar have reached a stage of self government and association with another power to such an extent that they are no longer considered to be a NSGT but noting that this observation recognizes no absolute sovereignty over the subject territory and leave it up to the fourth Committee to deal with the Sovereignty issues as sovereignty is not the responsibility of the C24 Committee. Should the C24 not believe the Islands and Gibraltar have reached the required level of 'independence' then tell them what else they have to do to achieve that end, just as the representative of Gibraltar asked them to do.
Think-Marcos-Axel -Jose-Searinox and others. Please show me the written UN Documents that back up Timerman,s “stories”
Jun 21st, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also the evidence to back up his claim that the Referendum was UK organised?
Also the evidence to show that it is UK who is developing (and thus controlling and receiving income from) offshore oil and fishery resources around the Islands?
The man is a total embarrasment to 40 million of you!
I'll repeat what I said on another story.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman is an oddity. He has done much for human rights and like his father, has been a fervent advocate of freedom of speech / the press. It's strange that he now finds himself working for a regime which goes to almost any lengths to block an anti-government media coverage. He also refuses to recognise the rights of a group of people to the extent that he won't even talk to them. Could the Hector Timerman from 20 years ago have ever envisaged that he would end up being a dictator's puppet in the future?
Look at Argentine forums and you'll see that most people are laughing at these clowns' antics. The Falklands / Malvinas card is the only one they have left to play. Unfortunately everyone knows it's a joker
SENOR TIMERMAN ,
Jun 21st, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AS A PERSON OF SOME STANDING IN PRESENT DAY “ARGENTINA”
YOU ARE MAKING “YOUR COUNTRY” THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY BY PURSUING YOUR RIDICULOUS ,
HYPOCRITICAL STANCE ON THE BRITISH FALKLAND ISLANDS ISSUE.
-YOU SEEM TO BE UNAWARE THAT THE TERM “IMPLANT” ALSO APPLIES TO YOURSELF WITH YOUR JEWISH/UKRAINIAN ROOTS ,
AND OF COURSE TO THE MAJORITY OF YOUR FELLOW ARGENTINIAN
TRESPASSERS WHO ARE LIKEWISE OF EUROPEAN ORIGIN .
-LET US ALSO CONSIDER THE PLIGHT OF THE POOR QOM INDIANS IN
NORTHERN ARGENTINA WHO WOULD LIKE THEIR ANCESTRAL LANDS
TO BE RETURNED...................................BUT UNFORTUNATELY APPEAR
TO BE FIGHTING A LOSING BATTLE AGAINST THE KIRCHNER
CONQUISTADORS AND THEIR UNSCRUPULOUS ASSOCIATES........
SO MUCH FOR SELF DETERMINATION GAUCHO-STYLE .
Hector is just another pussy.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 You should feel complimented. Obviously you are Gollum's “precious”. (We wants it, we wants it.)
Jun 21st, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! Poor Timerman, the 'hostage victim'.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to LOVE that we can drive the CFK government bat-shit crazy by doing absolutely nothing at all.
Perhaps the tragedy is that sometimes great men have miserable worthless offspring, such as Timmerman. The coward has betrayed his religion, his morals, his country and his once respectable name. The so called Malvinas is an Argentine fantasy.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Just imagine, a cow on the balcony of the [Argentine] nation, what an awful thing, what a shitty country...” - Gabriel García Márquez
@21 LOL (shame there's no “like” button)
Jun 21st, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He should have concluded is press conference by saying, “Thank you, see you all again next year.”
Jun 21st, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take a look how the British delegation conduct themselves on the UN site in interviews compared to Argentinians totally unbelievable the ranting and raving from The Argentines compared to the slow courteous diplomatic language from The British,it says it all these idiots have a lot to learn.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pfft!...was that the firework display - rent a crowd goes home, and nothing changes.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The endangered species is not Falklands, but the UN C24.
Take it to the UN ICJ, or shut up.
The British government need to raise the issue of the complete waste of time this committee is in it's current form it's more than obvious it is not fit for purpose
Jun 21st, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great Video, well worth a watch...
Jun 21st, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0' Informal comments to the media by H.E. Sir Mark Lyall Grant, Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the UN.'
http://webtv.un.org/watch/sir-mark-lyall-grant-united-kingdom-media-stakeout-20-june-2013/2495121865001/
'Fabiana Rios: “It has taken another step toward demilitarization of the South Atlantic” - Gov. Fabiana Rios attended the first committee of the UN decolonization made after the referendum held in the Falkland Islands from Britain, where the international community showed its support for Argentina's position and his absolute refusal to vote on the same on the islands...'
http://webtv.un.org/watch/sir-mark-lyall-grant-united-kingdom-media-stakeout-20-june-2013/2495121865001/
'Colombia seal agreement with NATO in Brussels next Tuesday - Colombian Defense Minister Juan Carlos Pinzon, will travel on Sunday to Belgium where signing on Tuesday in Brussels, the first cooperation agreement between the Andean nation and the Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) ...'
http://webtv.un.org/watch/sir-mark-lyall-grant-united-kingdom-media-stakeout-20-june-2013/2495121865001/
@27 andy65
Jun 21st, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
We should tell the UN that we won't pay for these corrupt committee's anymore, and stop paying until they disband them.
The easiest solution is for the UNGA to arrange REFERENDA in EVERY NSGT and ask the people what they want.
If the people want independence, they get it, if they want to remain as they are, they get that too.
Then each NSGT should be completely removed from the UN's books, and a lot of time and money can be saved. The really good thing about that is that 2 of the territories on the list have ALREADY had referendums, so the UN would only have to arrange for a dozen or so more.
But the biggest thing the UN should be doing is observing these committee's and what they say, supposedly in the name of the UN. The minute they step one toe outside of their remit, they should be closed down.
Argentina shouldn't even be invited to the C24 UNLESS it wants to decolonise Patagonia.
The UN should also tell Argentina to stop wasting it's time. Either go to the ICJ or STFU.
22 Chicureo
Jun 21st, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You could have been talking about Alex Betts there.
It's as good as ever to be currently in your home country and of course the home of the mighty Condorito!
Keep Calm Argentina-
Jun 21st, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We Own the Islands
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UN told Falkland islanders 100% British
http://www.bfbs.com/news/
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As argentinian representatives break down and cry in desperation..lol.
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Royal Navy gets new spy drone in £30m deal
21 June 2013
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http://www.bfbs.com/news/
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This argument is getting old. Same old Argentine rubbish. Its getting boring very quickly. Why doesn't the UK government just ignore them. Seriously Argentina can cry as much as they like its not going to change a god dam thing.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 28 Steve-33-uk
Jun 21st, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That link about Fabian Rios, should the translation to English be accurate, would be hilarious if it were not so pathetic. The Bolivian representative in particular really needs to brush up on his knowledge of how the UN is supposed to work. Wanting penalties for those who break the resolutions of their little tin-pot sub-sub-committee. Surely he must know that even General Assembly Resolutions are not binding and ‘their’ little ‘resolution has to be passed to the Fourth Committee for review, where it will likely die, before it is then passed to the General Assembly for consideration and action.
Heck should there be penalties for not complying with Resolutions think where the RG’s would be? However it would be no good to slap them with a fine, they just would not pay.
@27 andy65 @Biguggy
Jun 21st, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with both of you, but...
I think statements are better coming from the FIG with UK's support.
For me, the FIG have a more relevant role in this dispute than the UK. Latin America led by the RGland, backed up by the ALBA axis, will not take the UK seriously on this issue.
The FIG should tell the UNGA / C24 / Ban Ki Moon / World Press, they have achieved a high level of self government and should no longer be considered a NSGT, so they will no longer be attending the C24 in future (other NSGTs will probably follow their lead).
They should tell Argentina to take their pathetic territorial claim to the ICJ and not the corrupt C24.
The FI may become an independent nation within the next 25 years and if they are to be taken seriously and respected by their neighbours, they will need to show a high level of diplomatic skill on the world stage, so taking the lead would be beneficial to them in several ways.
OT but hilarious,
Jun 21st, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/06/argentina-attacks-elliott-iran/
t the risk of gross overstatement before getting to the heart of this piece it’s important to note how horrible, stubborn, and arrogant the Argentine people can be given any opportunity. For those who have spent any time in Argentina, go ahead and skip ahead rather than simply nodding in agreement to the point of risking neck pain.
If Argentina fails to win the World Cup, it was the referees. If they were to lose 6-1 to Bolivia, as they did when I lived there, it was because of the altitude, never mind that all players were on the same pitch.
For those unaware, they do not speak Spanish in Argentina, they speak Castellano, some form of Italian with a ridiculous accent given to simple Spanish words. If you were to attempt fluent Spanish in Buenos Aires, you will be stared at as though you are from Mars.
The United States was responsible for the collapse of the Argentine economy.
If you eat vegetables or fish you are unpatriotic.
They also seem to believe that the only thing worse than Jews are Paraguayans.
I could continue in this vein for hours, but in a country that boasts one of the highest literacy rates in the world, they don’t seem to do much reading. Additionally, as recently as April 2012, the Argentine government banned the importation of foreign books. Not just from Amazon, but the book you were reading on the plane due to “lead poisoning” concerns. “If you put your finger in your mouth after paging through a book, that can be dangerous,” explained one of the policy supporters to the Wall Street Journal.
Argentina is Furious Over a Recent Media Campaign
Suffice is to say that it didn’t shock me today when I read that Argentina is furious over a recent media campaign in the U.S.—reportedly paid for by Elliott Associates affiliate NML Capital—criticizing the country’s relationship with Iran.
The media campaign funded by NML is “unscrupulous” and “libelous,” President Cr
@33 Biguggy
Jun 21st, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will love this one, even though it doesn't translate that well.
WTF are they smoking?
'Filmus: ”UN IN ARGENTINA IS SUPPORT POSITION AND BRITAIN PROPOSED COMMITTEE DES DISSOLVE - The chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee of the Senate, Daniel Filmus, stressed today that the UN supported the position by acclamation Argentina and Britain proposed to dissolve the Decolonization Committee, as part of our country's claim over the sovereignty of the Islands Malvinas.
Filmus said today through a press release that included representatives from all regions of the world spoke on our behalf and therefore the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations unanimously came to support and cheer Argentina's position on dialogue by Malvinas, while Britain dissolve directly proposed UN body which had lost the vote.
Yesterday the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations adopted by consensus a resolution which reiterates that the way to end the colonial situation in the case of the Falkland Islands is a peaceful and negotiated in the dispute over sovereignty, and our Chancellor Hector Timerman, said the Malvinas issue is not only a sovereign dispute, but a regional cause, remarked the senator Front for Victory.
In that sense, Filmus noted that in defeat in the vote, Britain directly proposed to dissolve the Committee on Decolonization, which still has 17 colonies to solve cases, and added that of the 17 cases that remain unresolved colonial, ten are British , so they want to dissolve the Committee.
This year, obviously with the British vote against, they added a colonial case: French Polynesia, the territory consists of a set of islands in the Pacific. The funny thing is that in this case the British voted against the self, contrary to the position adopted in the Falklands, said...'
http://noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/filmus-en-la-onu-se-apoyo-posicion-de-argentina-y-gran-bretana-propuso-disolver-comite-de-des,d2550e154df5f310VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.ht
“For those unaware, they do not speak Spanish in Argentina, they speak Castellano, some form of Italian with a ridiculous accent given to simple Spanish words.”
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish is just italian spoken with a comic lisp anyway. I always thought spaniards and their colonial descendants were just italians suffering from the aftereffects of botched brain surgery, until I met italians and realised the commonalities that make them all so undesirable to do business with.
If anyone has done something that is “contrary to the obligation incumbent on all UN Member States peacefully to resolve international disputes” with regards to the Falklands, then it is Argentina in 1982.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I notice that the C24 have changed their name. Does anyone know if the real purpose of the C24 has changed?
Timmerman: “Argentina supported all the peoples who came to the UN to stand up to colonial Powers”
Does this mean they support the Falklanders against Argentina?
“comply with the obligation imposed upon it by international law and to address a new British attempt to manipulate a reality that the UN had defined decades ago as a “special and particular” colonial situation.”
By UN does he mean C24?
What international law has the UK broken?
If ever I saw an attempt to manipulate reality, it was watching this commitee....and now the Latin American speaker from...and now the Latin American speaker from...and now the Latin American speaker from...and now the Latin American speaker from...and now the Latin American speaker from...
Pathetic
36 Steve-33-uk (#).....ROFLMAO...ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...you cant make this stuff up...!!
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 El capitano
Jun 21st, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As ridiculous as it sounds.. 50%+ people (stats vary) reading any article will believe it, remember the articles are aim at Latin America!
Hitler once said 'only constant repetition will finally succeed in imprinting an idea on their mind'
“where self-determination could not be applied as the Islands were not home to a people under alien subjugation, domination and exploitation.”
Jun 21st, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were for three months in 1982.
Under the alien subjugation of Argentina.
Under the alien domination of Argentina.
Under the exploitation of Argentina
Self determination was applied to end the alien subjugation.
Timmerman is running out of anything rational to say (what's new?)
What a complete and utter idiot.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0What he appears to be saying is that we don't have the right to self determination until we spend some more time under the 'alien domination and subjugation' of Argentina.
The moment we get handed over to Argentina, we become a subjugated people, by his own definition, declare independence and throw ourselves on the mercy of the UN. What a stupid and pointless argument.
The whole thing's a complete crock anyway. Plenty of countries have gained independence without being a 'subjugated' population. This isn't about us, or our status. We have the right to self determination if the administering power says we do irrespective of our origins, nationality or ethnicity. The UK could grant Birmingham independence if they wanted, or the Isle of Wight.
If the Argentine government had any sense, which they don't, they would quietly drop this line of argument. It doesn't further their cause at all, and anyone with half a brain cell can see that it works against them the minute we sever ties with the UK.
Excellent speech Timerman: All Argentine and Latin American are proud of defending our sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich, to racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman said that Argentina had received the unanimous support of the many forums such as the Organization of American States (OAS), the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) and the Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR). African Nations Argentina had given its support through the Declaration of Malabo while the Lima Declaration united South American and Arab Countries in the calls for the United Kingdom to resume negotiations and cease from exploration and exploitation unilaterally hydrocarbon resources in the waters around the Malvinas Islands.
The world and the world opinion and refuse to be deceived by the UK. This note strengthens arguments and committee Argentine UN decolonization to treat correctly the Malvinas Islands as a colony established in 1833 by the British.
The historical context of the time is English colonialism and imperialism. Consequently recognized by England and historically demonstrated the expulsion of Argentine in 1833.
It reinforces the statement century English colonialism and imperialism and is demonstrated with facts and understood by the four British invasion of Argentina in 1806-1807-1833-1845. All these historical facts under the same context: English colonialism and imperialism as a result of this to assault the implementation of English settlers in the Malvinas.
For these reasons it is confirmed that the specificity of the Malvinas conflict is the expulsion of civilian authorities and Argentine in 1833 and prevent its return. The Argentines who escaped were rebellious at the Gaucho Rivero for the return of sovereignty Argentina.
Raul2
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just typed a long winded response to your post, hit the submit button abd the damn thing disappeared.
I do not intend to do it again, however, let me précis it for you.
Utter rubbish!
Raul
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do realise that Gaucho Rivero murdered Matthew Brisbane who was the appointed deputy and friend of Luis Vernet. The very perso who's great grand daughter you had presenting at the UN.
PMSL!!
You Cupid stunt!
@43
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just two words Raul. “ Prove it ”
Give us the proof of your statement not just troll out the same rubbish. If you have definate proof just post it here and we can discuss it like civilised human beings and no doubt it can be brought up with the Internation Court of Justice, that is the way to go. Why is Hector not taking this to the ICJ? Please be good enough to respond.
I loved the bit in Timerman presentation concerning the British expats who returned home to Argentina after fighting for Britian against Nazis.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Conveniently left out the bit about Argentina giving those same Nazis a safe haven and embracing them into the republic.
Priceless!
Thought I would keep you up to date with the latest RG plans...
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Absent British Falklands debate Decolonization Committee ~ ...Missing economic measures. The political endorsements meets Argentina are numerous and qualified. However, successive British governments since 1965 and before, do not move an inch from his intransigence. Even the series of prime ministers since the war, that is from Margaret Thatcher to Cameron, through John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, etc., abroqueló in an even more belligerent. They say that the Falklands (Malvinas) are English and that's not negotiable. How to proceed to remove such an obstacle, out of a race war or guns that nobody wants, for obvious reasons? The question opens a positive response, peaceful but no less confrontational with the occupying empire Falklands punitive action can be taken against British companies on the continent. There is a logic hard to refute: why is allowed to Pan American Energy (PAE), majority owned by British Petroleum, doing business Cerro Dragon (Chubut, Santa Cruz) and instead punishes Desiré oil companies and others that explore offshore illegally in the Falklands? Why not apply sanctions against PAE also to force London to sit down and negotiate? Argentine trade with the UK is high. Your Ambassador John Freeman estimated that in 2012 reached 2,135 million. Why a normal trading with an enemy who amputates the country? Among the British multinational oil are PAE and Anglo-Dutch Shell, HSBC accused of money laundering, the Glaxo Smithkline, the tobacco company British American Tobacco, the cleaning products company Unilever, etc.. If the taps are temporarily closed business these firms, causing losses in a time of economic crisis in Europe, can open better opportunities for diplomacy operating Argentina and the CELAC.'
http://www.laarena.com.ar/opinion-britanicos_ausentes_en_debate_por_malvinas_en_comite_de_descolonizacion-96270-111.html
@ 44 reality check
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree with your précis.
To avoid losing your post.
This site 'times ot' after a period, i am not sure how long. It gives no warning of this and when you hit the 'submit comment' button your work is lost.
For long posts I 'do' them in 'Word' then just 'highlight', 'copy' and 'paste', that way should you have 'timed out' you still have your work.
Alternatively you could produce your post on here but before hitting the 'submit' button 'highlight' and 'copy' then should you have 'timed out' and your post disappears you have a 'copy'.
Hope this helps.
Cheers!
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@43 Raul
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0> For these reasons it is confirmed that the specificity of the Malvinas conflict is the expulsion of civilian authorities and Argentine in 1833 and prevent its return.
Raul, I see you've changed your usual text. Usually you claim that it's the entire Argentine population who were expelled. Now it's just the 'civilian authorities'.
What's the reason for this change?
@48 Thanks. And a very silly plan it is too. If nothing else has history not shown that the UK government does not respond to blackmail?
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a wonderful example of the Argentine traits of misplaced self-importance and short-term thinking. Not one single thought to the impact it would have on the Argentine economy.
Question.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would the EU's response be if this actually happened?
Anyone?
#49
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your info. on saving work. I was preparing a brilliant repost for vestige - in my estimation- and was near the end of a two hour marathon when I had to look up an item in my extensive library of aeronautical literature. When I came back, the whole post had vanished. Expletives deleted !
Then I said, “sod it!”, what would be the point anyway, nobody really cares so I watched “would I lie to you” with Lee Mack and had a bloody good laugh.
Life in perspective !
Raul
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look into a mirror, stick your hands up high in the air and say Meow.
You're a fruitcake, Raul.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And a liar, too.
@ 54
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0One further point on saving your work.
Should you prepare your work in 'Word', or similar. if you use more than 2000 characters your 'whole' 'paste' shows in the window but it will not let you 'do' anything, as far as I can determine, other than delete characters until the 2000 limit is reached.
@43
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0” Timerman said that Argentina had received the unanimous support of the many forums such as the Organization of American States (OAS), the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) and the Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR). etc etc etc “
All completely irrelevant as the only opinion that matters is that of the people that were born and live on the islands, a basic point Argentina is too stupid to comprehend.
” For these reasons it is confirmed that the specificity of the Malvinas conflict is the expulsion of civilian authorities and Argentine in 1833 and prevent its return. The Argentines who escaped were rebellious at the Gaucho Rivero for the return of sovereignty Argentina.”
Your problem Raul is that the civilian authority (as already allowed by Great Britain-Brisbane who returned was British), was not expelled.
Your skills of historic research=0
The illegal UP military authority (protested by Great Britain) was expelled but not forceably, as they outnumbered the British force. However as most of Pinedo's sailors were British born (ie not born in the UP), they refused to oppose their own countrymen, a fact you chose to ignore like an Ostrich sticking its head in a peat bog.
No United Province's settlers escaped from the settlement because they lived in the settlement. Rivero did not kill Brisbane because he was the British authority, he was murdered because Vernet's worthless money was imposed on the settlers, when Rivero and co wanted to be paid in Silver which they could use to trade with foreign ships .
Rivero could not have committed murder to make a claim for the United provinces,( note Raul, there was no Argentina in 1833), as he had accepted British Sovereignty( by staying in January 1833 rather than return to South America.
It says everything about Rivero that the lure of British Silver superseded his UP nationality
Raul, you need to do some research, not manufacture bullsh1t.
@ 58 Pete Bog et al
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0” Timerman said that Argentina had received the unanimous support of the many forums such as the Organization of American States (OAS), ”
Yet another Tminberhead lie easily proven.
The last time I checked, a few moments ago, Canada was still a member of the OAS and Canada has come down firmly on the side of the Islanders. I am proud to say.
@ Raul2
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Raul, the solution for British “racism, colonialism and imperialism” is Argentine “racism, colonialism and imperialism”? If Argentina were to gain control of the islands would mean the subjugation of the Falkland Islanders by an alien and foreign power, which is colonialism.
I hope you make an attempt to respond to this point.
@48
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're a laugh a minute.
if I'm having a bad day on the farm, I simply look at the latest inventions spewed out of Argentine mouths and lol.
This takes the biscuit-for thwarting Argentina's colonialist ambitions let's punish the UK by knackering the oil companies that provide us with work, money and energy, in addition to taking the risk that the UK will stop importing goods from Argentina.
Michael Winner-we have a new Death Wish film to be made involving a whole country starring 'The Malvanista's” (Apologies to the late Charles Bronson).
@ 33 & 35:
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Four luanguages have been made extinct in argentina since Europeans arrive there.
I wonder how long it would take to stamp out the current language spoken on the Falkland Islands if they (as if) were to get their hands on them?
@43 Raul2 “the four British invasion of Argentina in 1806-1807-1833-1845” - this statement is utterly false. In 1806 and 1807 Britiain DID NOT invade Argentina, the Spanish Colonial city of Buenos Aires was, of course, invaded by Britain long before the independence of the United Provinces. In 1833 the British removed an illegal Argentine garrison from the British territory of the Falklands archipelago.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was NO invasion of Argentina in 1845 but there was a joint British/French trade dispute with the River Plate countries which was resolved by the Governments of Rosas of the Confederación Argentina and the United Kingdom by way of the ratification of the Arana Southern Treaty which clearly states in its Article 7) that, at the time of ratification, no outstanding matters existed between the two countries - had the Falklands dispute not been resolved by then it would have been mentioned. Many Argentine historians have admitted that this is a very weak point of Argentina's case and is, of course, the reason which impedes Argentina taking its case to the International Court of Justice.
Raul- wake up flathead- OAS was NOT unanimous - One country voted very firmly AGAINST you and at least another was very firml;y NEUTRAL and told you clearly why!
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And of the other organisations- some members were not present and all the other mostly actually signed up to was that the countries should talk - NOT who has rights to the land.
1833 - Proove to me and all on here by listing the names of the Arg civilians who were expelled in 1833?
Do it -or you will have prooved to all and everyone that you are just a common LIAR.
You can get the list from your own Naval Archives of all those who stayed behind in 1833 - they are all listed there. It also names the 2 civilian couples who left - voluntarily - and states that they were Barzillian and Uruguyan - not Argentine even!
Why all the confusion,
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmmmmmmmmmm
Apparently we are reading from two different history books,
The world history,
And history according to Argentina and its followers like raul..
lol
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Raul- I am still waiting - for you to show me and all others that you- unlike your liar Timerman - are NOT a liar yourself.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or maybe perhaps you are indeed just the same as him - a LIAR?
#66
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why spoil blind prejudice with the truth -it's not his way !
@ 66 Islander1
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not forget CFK herself said the same thing last year and has not recanted that makes her a LIAR as well. However that is no surprise.
Looking at the picture it appears they have electronic nameplates in UN commitees these days. Some fun could surely be had for the operators of that.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tinman's should surely read comedian instead of argentina.
Let them say what they like.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let them drag out South American brothers, Kane and Abel come to mind, to give evidence to their other unbiased South American brothers.
The real and I mean real, people of this world, know exactly what they are like, frankly would be astounded if you did anything else.
Your nothing Argentina! That is why the UK does not send a representative to the C25. Your like a gnat chewing away at an elephants ass.
Annoying until it can be bothered to sit on it.
Fucking shame really, because if even half of you behaved decent, the Islanders might consider talking to you!
70- you hit the nail on the head! by 2002 with the previous Govt we had discussions going on a range of mutual beneficial subjects- all under a “Sovereignty Umbrella” - ie whatever all said and agreed had no prejudice on respective Sov claims in the political field. Lan were on the verge of starting a midweek nonstop flight from Santiago - that would stop in Newquen,Argentina-on the return flight path - to keep things “even”. A younger generation was growing up here that were becoming more “open” in their outlook towards Argentina.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0All went out of the window as the Kirscheners arrived and proceeded to tear it all up - and that generation of youngsters now hate and detest all things Argentine with the same vehemence as those who were here during the miltary occupation of 1982.
There can be no nation better than Argentina - at scoring massive Own Goals! They have been doing it daily now for 11 years!
'Statement By Ambassador Osman Keh Kamara Before Special Committee On The Question Of The Falklands Islands ~ ...Mr. Chairman, distinguished delegate.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The General Assembly in resolution 637 (VII) of December 1952 reaffirmed its commitment to recognizing self-determination as a prerequisite for the realization of all fundamental human rights and that Member States of the United Nations should uphold self-determination of all peoples and nations. It is in the spirit of resolution 637 (VII) and article 73 (b) of the Charter of the United Nations, that my delegation has repeatedly maintained that the rights of the Islanders who have lived in the Island for almost 180 years – nine generations should be paramount in any negotiated settlement.
I am sure you will agree with me that subjecting peoples to alien domination constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights and violates the people’s right to freely determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development. There is no dispute that the people are the holders of the right to self-determination...'
http://www.cocorioko.net/?p=48886
@72 steve
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0One of the few honest statements made by the c24 committee, reminding them what the committee should really be doing.
It has been a couple of days after the non event at the C24 and once again several of the committee members have shown they are not up to the job but more importantly it has been virtually ignored by world press.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands referendum received international coverage and even in those areas where politically they may have sided with Argentina the press gave an honest if not some times biased report . The mood throughout the world has moved on this Committee is lost and needs radical reform or disbanded, Ban Ki moon advised they did not listen what will he do now.......
Does anyone know if/where there is a link that gives the wording of the C24's 'Resolution'?
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks in advance if you do.
@72 spot on. Good piece of research.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should put another nail in the coffin of the Argies 'they are not a people' argument.
I am laughing that Venezuela is to get their very own 'whistleblower' (traitor), just like Ecuador. You can imagine CFK screaming that she wants one!!!
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is an amazing revelation that spies actually spy! Who would have thought it?
The UN Visitor Centre has just confirmed that 'ALL PEOPLES ARE ENTITLED TO SELF-DETERMINATION.'
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't know what all the fuss has been about?
http://tinyurl.com/15hbt2b
@77... latest I heard, Snowden is also bound for Ecuador (ss http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden-leaves-hong-kong-moscow-live )
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently Venezuela and Ecuador are both pitching for him. Do you think the Ecuadorian Ambassador is saying, “We have loads of toilet paper AND food. And if you ever marry that woman you ditched in the US she will be allowed to bottle-feed your kids”.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 80 ElaineB
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's mean but I like it!
@72 Steve and @78 Brit Bob.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks very much for uncovering what you have-the more this subject is excavated, the more the doubtful stance the Brits previously put regarding the arguments on Falkland's sovereignty, is turned into( as the Argies would put it) 'Britain's undeniable/uncontestable rights to the Falkland Islands and subsequently, the rights of the 'population' to succeed that right.
It beggars belief that previously to 1982, Britain's politicians never even bothered to question the Argentine version of history which has shown to be a wholly manufactured farce, with reference to 'national feeling' rather than references to historical documents.
Who's for badgering the BBC/another channel to make a proper documentary on 1765-1833 and possibly beyond?
@80
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These so called champions of freedom Snowden and Asange choose their asylum destinations well.
World corruption Index 2012
Ecuador 118/176
Russia 133/176
Venezuela 165/176
@72 Steve-33-uk:
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sierra Leone has more reason than most to understand the UK tries its best to do the right thing, and is willing to put its own in harms way and take a financial hit to stand up for the weak against aggressors.
Do you have a transcript of the Nicaraguan speaker's diatribe? She made some comment about agreements being made at a meeting in Spain… Yes that's right folks, SPAIN… You know, the country that a huge proportion of the Spanish-speaking nation's of South and Central America claim to be totally independent of.
@ 72 Steve- 33-uk & 78 Brit Bob
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With all due respect, the RG trolls and other RG supporters’ will be very quick to point out that according to the UN the Islanders are not a ‘peoples’ primarily because GA Resolution 2065 referred to them as a ‘population’. And what you have quoted only refers to ‘peoples’. Indeed some of them even allege that the word ‘population’ was deliberately inserted in 2065 to differentiate between the Islanders and the inhabitants of all other NSGT. I have no idea if this is accurate or not and neither can I see any difference between the meanings of either word in the context they are used, but that is just my opinion.
The killer for this argument comes in paragraph 7(c) of GA Resolution 67/134 where it quite definitely states that ‘populations’ of NSGT’s have the right to self-determination subject to the provisions of any relevan Resolutions (I am not aware of any that would deny the Islanders such a right).
This Resolution 67/134 was passed at the end of last year, with Argentina voting ‘for’ it and distributed in early January this year. On Thursday, at the C24 we have Timberhead mouthing off about the Islanders not having the right to self-determination, for whatever reasons he and Chrissy have made up and no one, I repeat no one, had the knowledge and/or courage to pick him up on it I find disgusting and largely unfathomable. All I can hope for is that when the stupid resolution that the C24 ‘passed’ is reviewed by the Fourth Committee these ‘discrepancies’ are noted, and dealt with much more appropriately.
@ 84
Agreements between the UK/Falklands were made in Spain, between 1988 and before Nestor took power. I do not have the full details with me but what you say could be based on truth, or even fully correct.
@85 Biguggy: “Agreements between the UK/Falklands were made in Spain, between 1988 and before Nestor took power.”
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am talking about agreements between Spanish speaking countries, not the UK/Falklands.
Some might think that several relatively similar recognised nations trying gang up in order to to evict long term island populations based on cultural differences is ever so slightly bigoted/racist.
Others might think that when quite a few of these nations start speaking about the wider benefits to be gained by pushing out the culturally diverse minority (as happened at the C24), that that should automatically disqualify them from making a judgement on the situation.
Some people might even think that if these nations are so similar, as they claim, then by their own reasoning what right do they have to self-determination (which is that the population must be different from the colonial power)?
@ 86 screenname
Jun 24th, 2013 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please accept my apologies “Agreements between the UK/Falklands were made in Spain, between 1988 and before Nestor took power.” should have read:
” “Agreements between the UK/Falklands and Argentina were made in Spain, between 1988 and before Nestor took power.”
Those agreements covered at least fisheries and hydrocarbon exploration/extraction.
For the rest of your post, I agree with you.
Once again my apologies for my omission.
I am disappointed (but not surprised) that Raul didn't make an attempt to answer questions that were posed to him by various people on here.
Jun 24th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is there some formal Argentine policy that ensures the countries leaders, spokespersons and government ministers can only be liars, cheats, fascists, genocidal mass murderers or morons or is it just serendipity?
Jun 24th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87 Biguggy:
Jun 24th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Problem!
But I'd still like to know what meeting the Nicaraguan speaker mentioned. A pretty blatant example of Spanish speakers ganging up on the Falklanders will always come in handy.
@90
Jun 24th, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well pointed out Screenname, this is clearly a case of racism which the FIG and HMG out to highlight (without irrational emotion of course).
@87 The Falkland Islands Declaration & Bilateral Arrangements & Agreements Between the UK and Argentina
Jun 24th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/documents/cm18/1824/1824.pdf
The interesting thing about the Committee's draft resolution is that there is basically nothing in it that supports the Arjuntine position. It simply calls for negotiation without even the pretense that it is the UK which is refusing to negotiate. There is no support for the Arjuntine claim to sovereignity per se, no support for the truly hilarious 'implanted population' argument, no support for the 'Falklanders are not a people' argument, no support for the 'territorial integrity' argument, not a cheep from a migrating bird or even a couple of bars from the Malvinista song sheet.
Jun 25th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given that the Committee is packed to the rafters with Arjuntine stooges, you have to wonder why this is? Surely Arjuntina could have roped the gang into signing something a bit more supportive of their case? Look at the speeches. Why are none of these carefully choreographed kangaroo court proceedings reflected in the draft resolution?
Surely it couldn't be that they know perfectly well it would never get past the Fourth Committee, and they don't want their fingers burned again like the last time they tried to actually advance their case at the UN in 2008.
Better just stick to some empty tub-thumbing for the benefit of the punters back home.
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N13/365/28/PDF/N1336528.pdf?OpenElement
@93 HansNiesund
Jun 25th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your link is not available for access.
88 M_of_FI
Jun 25th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are none so deaf that will not hear.
There are none so blind who will not see.
You have trouble understanding the specificity of the Malvinas Question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and authorities and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity Argentina.
You will struggle to understand the historical context and social process that originated the conflict of sovereignty of the Mlavinas Islands. That context is the colonialism and imperialism of the 19th century English and social processes are racism and commercialism of freight and fleet of the 19th century and that the current population of the islands is a product of colonialism and imperialism project global and 19th century English continues into the 21st century.
You have trouble understanding that Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845). Consequently Argentina was never a racist, colonialist and imperialist. Informally Today Argentina UK threatens to drop nuclear bombs to Argentina to reclaim what belongs peacefully for justice and international law. Remember humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan made by the United Kingdom. The facts speak for themselves.
Remember the Constitution Argentina:
“La Nacion Argentina ratifies its legitimate and imprescriptible sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the corresponding maritime and insular areas to be an integral part of the national territory. Recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respecting the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unwavering goal of the Argentine people. ”
The solution can never be racism, colonialism, imperialism of any kind.
I hope you make an attempt to answer this question.
Thank you very much.
Mail: face1354@hotmail.com
#95
Jun 25th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are none so deaf that will not hear.
There are none so blind who will not see.
Yes ,we agree with that. Your “truth” is the result of years of indoctrination which have been hammered into your psyche so that to question it would be unthinkable
Do you need it explained AGAIN ! The so-called expulsion of the original implanted Argentinian population never took place. The garrison and some others were expelled, the remainder stayed on.
“UK threatens to drop nuclear bombs to Argentina to reclaim what belongs peacefully for justice and international law.”
Would you care to quote or give a reference as to where the UK govt. said this ? Typical argie lies !
Remember the Argentinian Constitution.
So what ? Remember the Bible...THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOURS OX !
You can put anything you wish in your constitution but that does not make it true ! You say you have a claim to the Falklands. Where and when did you decide that the islands of S.Georgia and S.Sandwich islands were Argentinian,
I see you are now claiming Antarctica! When did you decide this. Chile is closer than Argentina to Antarctica. Why don't they claim it ?
Recovery. As you never owned them you cannot recover them.
Stealing them as per 1982 was your preferred method.
@94
Jun 25th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunno why that is. Try following the “Draft resolutions and other documents” link on this page :
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/session_2013.shtml
It takes you to a page of bibliographic entries, the Falklands resolution is the 5th entry.
@ 95raul2
Jun 25th, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know it will come as a deep disappointment to you discover that for many years, perhaps even your whole life, your Government has been lying to you about the Falkland Islands. A little bit about the same as a child eventually discovering that there is no Santa Clause, or Easter Bunny.
As we only have 2,000 characters per post let us take your points one post at a time. That way it will give you that chance to discuss my answers in a similar manner, one point at a time. Do you agree?
Assuming that you do agree.
First point, you state:
“the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and authorities and did not allow their return,”
A say:
There was history of French, Spanish and British occupation prior to 1833. That however is another discussion point.
Force was not used in the expulsion but I will agree there was very likely an implied threat of force should the request to leave not be complied with, a small point, I agree but a point none the less.
The general population were not expelled they were asked to stay, the only people expelled were the garrison troops and their dependents, the rest of the ‘population’ except for 4 or 5 people (it depends which account you take) stayed and those 4 o 5 left of their own free will. The information for this is in your own National Archives. It is further born out by the fact that your Government website:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
now only states that the Argentine authorities were expelled. Previously it had claimed that the general population had also been expelled.
Certainly had a garrison returned or attempted to return there would very like have been repercussions but ordinary citizens were free to come and go as they pleased. This was apparently so until after the invasion in 1982.
I await you comments but please do not go off at tangents.
93 Hans & 94 Gordo1
Jun 25th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0daccess links don't work. You have to provide the page where that link is so it can be clicked from there.
Timerman is a supreme fool, they've no strength of argument, they have no ammunition and no merit. An idiot of the global village.
Jun 25th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@95
Jun 25th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There are none so blind who will not see.”
Your countries' Hitleresque indoctrination has clearly left you so blind that you cannot make the effort to look at your own National Archives which clearly show that 22 of the original population at Port Louis(including 11 prot Argentines) in 1833 stayed on. Some of those settlers were still alive in the islands up to 1870. So they weren't sent packing. And in the meantime Brisbane returned, Vernet's second in command plus presumably some of the others present at the Port Louis murders later that weren't there in 1833-so people were allowed to return-from the South American mainland.
The report by Pinedo (again in your national archives), confirms that Captain Onslow did not use force. and confirms that most of the civilian settlers stayed.
And I repeat (yet again) that Pinedo's force was more numerical than the British-except that most of Pinedo's sailors were British born so they refused to resist their own people-Pretty stupid of Pinedo to use British sailors, do you not agree? That would be like the British Task Force in 1982 being made up of Argentine mercenaries and wondering why they didn't want to fight when they got to the other end.
Pretty obvious really isn't it Raul?
But then logic and cause and effect are not recognised in Argentina-an alien concept when you can just invent facts as you go along.
“You will struggle to understand the historical context and social process that originated the conflict of sovereignty of the Mlavinas Islands”
It's not @88 that's struggling-it's you that's clueless. You haven't even worked out yet that the British claim dates back to 1690.
“that the current population of the islands is a product of colonialism and imperialism project global”
No, it's a result of immigration, the same way that Europeans emigrated to Argentina -which using your distorted logic means that every Argentine of European origin is also implanted- like Kirchener's family-implanted.
@ 97 HansNiesund
Jun 25th, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually the Press Release at your referenced link gives a much better appreciation of the actual 'proceedings' than the 'resolution'.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2013/gacol3257.doc.htm
As you say fingers burnt once, a little shy the second time round. However having been asked to come up with 'innovative' ways of getting these last ones 'off the list' all they can come up with is 'negotiations' and no suggestion of the ICJ, a very weak performance.
I would like to see the briefing that each one of these delegations got from the Secretariat, they do most of their work for them and then just hand it to the delegations.
95 raul2
Jun 26th, 2013 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0When did the UK threaten to drop a nuclear bomb on Argentina?
You really are the most unbelievable liar.
The 'specifity' of this question is that there is a population that has existed peacefully here for the past 180 years.
This is more important than you racist imperialist colonialist constitution. No-one cares about your constitution apart from you.
Neither does anyone care what Britain did to Spain in 1806. It's ancient history. Get over it.
@95 raul2 ”You have trouble understanding that Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845).” YOU ARE A LIAR AS THIS STATEMENT IS NOT A TRUE ACCOUNT OF THE FACTS!
Jun 26th, 2013 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0IN 1806 AND 1807 ARGENTINA DID NOT EXIST - IT WAS STILL A SPANISH COLONY. IN 1833 BRITAIN EXPELLED AN ILLEGAL GARRISON FROM THE UNITED PROVINCES OF RIO DE LA PLATA FROM THE THE FALKLAND ISLANDS, A BRITISH DEPENDENT TERRITORY AND IN 1845 THERE WAS A TRADE EMBARGO ON THE BOTH ARGENTINA AND URUGUAY BY FRANCE AND THE UNITED KINGDOM - THERE WAS NO INVASION.
JUST GET THE FACTS RIGHT!
@102
Jun 26th, 2013 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0To lift a phrase from Putin this morning, what the C24 has been doing is shearing a piglet. You get a lot of squealing, but not much wool. And what we have here is plenty of squealing in the press release, and hardly any wool in the resolution. In particular, there is no support in the latter for any of the usual Arjuntine claims regarding the UN (implanted populations have no right to self-determination, territorial integrity, etc, etc), although we, the world, and the Arjuntine population will surely be led to believe that there is.
What's odd about this is that Arjuntina could probably have got this bunch of stooges to sign up to whatever they like. But in terms of substantive issues going to actual votes, it seems that they are no more attempting to advance their case through the UN than they have been attempting to advance it through the ICJ.
Quite a point that the foreign ministry of Argentina is called “Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto”. The “cult” must be “Malvinism”.
Jun 26th, 2013 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Raul (95)
Jun 26th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't give me your standard line of crap about 1833. It is boring and has been proved incorrect. Read the question....
If Argentina were to succeed in gaining sovereignty of the Falkland Islands it would inherit 2,500 Falkland Islanders. These Islanders speak English and have their own culture and identity, in essence these people would be completely different to the Argentine people and Government. The situation would create a Government governing a distinctly different group of people, a people who would also be against being governed by an alien and foreign country.
Is this not the very definition of a colony? Or are you saying because of the history you believe the 2,500 modern day Falkland Islands have to waive their human rights to right a wrong that you believe happened over 180 years ago?
107 M_of_FI
Jun 28th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not give me your crap online 1833 standard. It's boring and has been proven wrong. Read the question.
Pathetic and unfortunate:
You always passes insulting and offending all who think like you.
You will be shown to all historical evidence and continues insulting.
I will not fall in the baseness to answer your insults.
May God help you ....!
No need to call upon the Almighty, Raul.
Jun 28th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just stop lying.
You know that, in the Falklands that you have no case.
lf you did, your country would have gone long ago to the ICJ.
You are just trying to bluff us & it won't work.
Raul, get it through your thick head, this is NOT your land.
lt is OURS & we are not going to give it to you.
Hope this helps.
@108
Jun 28th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK try some history and no insults.
You say:“that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and authorities and did not allow their return,”
In that case how do you explain Antonina Roxa, from South America, living in the Falklands before 1833, end up with owning a 6000 acre farm and property in Stanley if she was ejected by the British authorities in 1833 and not allowed to return? (Stanley by the way was not established until 1845)?????
And in 1869, Argentine Commodore Augusto Lasserre on a survey round the Falkland Islands discovered 20 Argentine born Islanders.
If these had been evicted by the British in 1833, why were these transplanted Argentines still in the islands, if as you say, they had been evicted 36 years earlier?????
What about Carmelita Penny (Simon)????????
Gregoria Madrid?????
Big clue for you Raul, none of these people were born in Great Britain, unlike the British sailors working for Pinedo who refused to fight Onslow's men in 1833.
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