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Gibraltar calls on London to complain about Spanish 'buzzing' jets

Saturday, July 6th 2013 - 12:20 UTC
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Britain and Spain faced another round of diplomatic tension on Wednesday night after four Spanish jets “buzzed” over the BOT Gibraltar, causing delay to a commercial flight. Reports collected by the Gibraltar Chronicle indicate eyewitnesses said the Matador jets flew in from behind Los Barrios and very close to the north end of the Rock. Read full article


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  • A_Voice

    “The Government of Gibraltar has called on the UK to take up the matter of this military incursion into the airspace of Gibraltar at the highest diplomatic and military levels,”

    and that's how it works.......Falkish! London does the talking for you and Gibraltar.
    Know your place!

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Its difficult to fathom where Spain think they are going with these repeated and escalated incursions. The only possible consequence is that we will increase our military presence there, surely that's the last thing they want. When do we start taking possession of the F-35's? Maybe Gibraltar would be a good place to station them for the time being.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    They are just looking for Mr. Snowden.....
    Chuckle chuckle©…..

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Asdrúbal el Bello

    “Britworker 12:4 pm: When do we start taking possession of the F-35's? Maybe Gibraltar would be a good place to station them for the time being.”
    LoL. Spain has already installed F-35 at 100 km, in Moron.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    Look at that old piece of English junk those Españoles are flying in……
    Just waiting for the English Airforce with their German Jagdflugzeug Typhoons to show them off.... ;-)))))

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    British Harrier 22

    ARA Mirage 0

    Not bad for English junk.

    You still using your French junk?

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    What?, your not even a level 3 partner in the F-35 procurement, in fact you are not even part of the procurement project full stop. Spain is on a 'potential' export list, which lets face it, ain't going to happen soon because you are broke!
    Now are you sure that it was one of YOUR planes you saw 100km away and it didn't belong to someone else?

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    2 Britworker

    You know what? maybe we should deploy a couple of warships to the region to “remind” Spain of who they are dealing with... oh yeah, that's right, we haven't got any have we?

    6 destroyers and 13 frigates....Nice one “Dave” you must be very proud of yourself....... Clown.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I don't propose to go cutting and pasting from wikipedia, but we are rather better equipped than the picture you are painting. You clearly support what the Spanish are currently upto where Gibraltar is concerned, so there will be no getting through to you.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fedaykin

    You are funny Think, lets see.
    UK entry into service of Typhoon: 2003
    Argentine entry into service of Mirage III: 1972

    UK Typhoon service availability: Full QRA availability for UK ADZ. Full QRA capability for Falklands ADZ. Full availability for Swing-role ground attack sorties.

    Argentine Mirage III service availability: Most airframes time expired. low availability to provide basic QRA. Key systems including radars no longer working. FAA forced to used subsonic Skyhawk armed with short range IR missiles only in QRA role.

    UK plan to have Typhoon in service for at least the next thirty years possibly longer alongside F-35B stealth fighter. Both jets have a full BVR capability and are at the current cutting edge when it comes to multi role data centric combat.

    Argentina plans to buy ex Spanish Airforce Mirage F-1M. The F-1 entered Spanish service in 1975 only three years after Argentina adopted the Mirage-III. The F-1 has a limited BVR capability with obsolete missiles and is at best a point defence fighter. Spanish F-1M have a limited ground attack capability. Spanish F-1M have at best ten more years of service life in them.

    So “Think” you have heard about throwing rocks in a house built of glass ;-)

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    German fighter bomber 37 % of which, constructed in UK and powered by an engine derived from the Rolls Royce XG40 engine.

    Think the RAF loves flying them think!

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    9 Britworker

    How did you get that idea?? Yes we have better equipment and YES we have the best navy in the world but, as one commander put it... “It doesn't matter how good the ship is, it can't be in 2 places as the same time”.

    The Reason that the spanish are doing this that they know they can get away with it... They no that Camer-moron and his little b*tch do not have the backbone to stand up to them, they know that our navy is a shodow of its former self and that our armed forces have been cut and cut and cut.... we HAVE to start investing in our armed forces now, and get someone who will look after us, ALL of us...

    So, Please, please tell me, where in my last post did I “clearly support what the Spanish are currently up to”

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    We perhaps agree a little more than I initially thought, but I don't think you can blame the current government. The labour party wasted billions in botched defence contracts and they left us without a carrier.
    Despite that, I think things are getting back on track with our armed forces and our current kit, though diminished, is very sophisticated.
    What Spain are doing with Gibraltar are low level war games, it is one thing to have diplomatic spats, it is another to use your police and armed forces to intimidate and breach another countries sovereignty.
    They are also desperately trying to find a common cause that will unite the country and deflect them from their current economic problems and a potential breakaway of Catalonia.
    I think our political options are coming to an end, they clearly don't care about complaints to the European Parliament.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    13 Britworker

    I don't think that anything short of a T45 in the Harbour and a couple of typhoons on the runway is going to work...

    The British are the only ones talking sense in the EU so they now hate us and spain, like their cousins across the water, will push and push until they get a slap down.

    They did not hesitate to send out a destroyer when Moroccan soldiers “invaded” the Perejil Island. If we had a perminant military presence in the area, maybe they would think twice about doing these silly things.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    I don't know why anyone thinks sabre rattleing will work. If the Spanish had a mind to take Gib using military force, then it could, and the UK does not have the military capability to kick them back out of Gib.

    On the other hand the UK could threaten to introduce measures against the Spanish tourist industry, making it clear that no resulting EU fines would be paid, have a word with Germany and the Spanish government would either have to behave or the voting Spanish public would have them out on their ear.

    The UK does not have to wave guns around to smash the dickheads in Madrid.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Spain is at no. 30
    Mmmm.........Fe fi fo fum ......I smell the blood of a non-Englishman

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    If they are messing with commercial flights then Gibratar can definitely file a complaint. It will likely impact Spain more than it did North Korea when they lit up a civilian Asiana flight a couple years back.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    It has become customary to talk down the British military capability, If Spain had a mind to 'try' and take Gibraltar I would suggest that there is a great deal we could and would do about it.
    On the other hand you are right about the tourism industry, we can hit them hard and deep with that one and it is the ace up our sleeve where Spain is concerned.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1 You think so, Gabby? In both cases, the UK is “responsible” for defence and foreign relations. There's a simple reason for this. Britain has the muscle to back up what it says. Also, in both cases, the delineation between domestic and foreign affairs is a matter for agreement. This has nothing to do with Spain or argieland. “They” don't decide. “They” do as they are told. Current status: argieland won't talk to the Falkland Islands. Therefore anything that London and Stanley perceive as being appropriate to the Falkland Islands Government, argieland doesn't get to talk about. Spain won't talk to Gibraltar. Therefore anything that London and Gibraltar perceive as being appropriate to the Government of Gibraltar, Spain doesn't get to talk about. In the near future, Gibraltar will publish its new regulations about use of its waters. And it will then enforce them. Wonder who Madrid is going to talk to? London will simply tell Madrid to talk to Gibraltar. I think we can look forward to numbers of Spanish fishing boats, pleasure craft etc being arrested and then seized.
    @2 Still want to see Apaches. Just imagine an Apache carving a fishing boat in half. And then the same for a Spanish customs launch.
    @4 That's a Typhoon, Moron.
    @5 More from the Moron. Spain has 43 Typhoons. The RAF has 100. Incidentally, the Typhoon is assembled in Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK. Each country assembles its own aircraft.
    @8 Just remember that there are 7 fleet submarines. All equipped with up to 30 land attack cruise missiles! Isn't that 270 missiles? Before “retiring” to re-arm!
    @12 Perhaps you should “think” before you post. Effectively, you rubbished the Royal Navy. Why don't you start by comparing the size of the Spanish “fleet” compared to the Royal Navy? The Spanish have THREE submarines, ELEVEN frigates. And nothing much else. Do they have submarine-launched cruise missiles? They do not. That means a thousand mile capability. I may say more after the next comment.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    England beaten by Argentina in hockey. :-)))
    “To compete on Malasyian soil against the English, we are training on Argentine soil.” :-))

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Jeez, stop the presses, Argentina has won something, dear god!

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    One victory in a minor sport ticked off - congrats. Now there's only the poverty, rampant corruption, crumbling infrastructure, destitute economy, army of barely controllable government thugs, disintegrating navy, pestilence, destruction, death and bipolar demented old hag left to sort out.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    19 Conqueror

    Did I rubbish the Royal Navy? I don't “Think” I did... Nope, I've just re-read my comment... What I did say was :-

    “Yes we have better equipment and YES we have the best navy in the world”

    Hardly “rubbishing the Royal Navy” is it friend??

    No, I think my post was aimed more at the pencil pushing, bean counting, empty headed, sons of a silly person in Parliment.

    I think that I was having a go at the government, the ones who have cut our navy back to its bare bones, the ones who sent out our troops to Aftganistan with sub standard kit and not enough helicopter support... The ones who have stolen the tanks from the 7th armoured Brigade, the ones who treat our armed forces ( who are the best in the world ) like something that got stuck to the bottom of their shoes and then, each “Armed forces day” have the nerve to post a message saying that we should “All show our gratitude to our Armed Forces”....

    “We” already do support them.

    “We” are already in awe of the job that they do....

    Do you support them Mr Cameron?? Do you Mr Brown?? Mr Blair??? 'Cos from what I have seen and read about, you guys have killed and wounded more of our troops than the Taliban and the Iraqi's put together.

    It makes me wonder how you sleep at night.....

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Oh, btw, on the subject of sport...

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @20 Lovely. Good luck to you. Argies are so good at “girlie” games, aren't they? It's so nice that you are so desperate. Why don't we try something more realistic? 5,000 of our troops against 12,000 of yours. Oh sorry, I forgot. We already did that. Despite having our helicopters destroyed, our troops “yomped” across the Falkland Islands and beat your numpties into submission. Was it 11,313 PoWs?

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JuanGabriel

    I agree this situation is better dealt with by travel advisory warnings rather than a military show of force. Doesn't really matter whether our military is better than theirs of whatever, in this case the economic weapons are far more effective.

    UK should also be giving more advice and support to the Catalan independence movement.

    The message should rightly about giving people self determination over their future, self determination for Catalunya, self determination for Gibraltar, self determination for the Scotland, self determination for the Falkland Islands.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Ok calm down,
    We all know what the Spanish are up to,

    I feel the point is, WHY Britain is playing it down,
    Why won’t she back it up
    Why won’t she send forces?
    Why doesn’t she retaliate?
    Is it because of trade, friendship, pressure from France or Germany, pressure from the EU MASTERS?

    If we were in the British government, we would know, would we not,
    Those corridors of Downing Street and Westminster are very powerful,
    We and the Spanish already know [they] would lose if it came to conflict,

    The British are very secretive , clever , shrewd , crafty , and powerful,

    They know what they are doing….
    As for Cameron, I hold ones

    Just a thought..

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    It is perfectly olrite for a non-UK/gringo government to behave belligerently to a UK/gringo government. The world doesn't have a big problem with that.

    Just not the other way around.

    Let the RAF buzz something in Spain now and we'll all be hearing a completely different tune from Spain.

    The Spanish definitely need something to feel good about right now. Their whole way of life is in the shitter.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @27 Briton: “WHY Britain is playing it down”

    Well, the UK economy would be adversely affected by the collapse of the Euro in Spain.

    BUT, obviously the people most adversely affected by the economic collapse in Spain, would be Spain itself.

    Now the fact that the Spanish government is getting more audacious in its treatment of Gibraltar suggests that they smell weakness in the UK government. Cameron may well have let this go on too long, and any meaningful physical confrontation would now be a major international incident.

    The UK really needs to take Germany to one side (because they are the real power broker where the Euro is concerned) and let them know that we are going to go after the Spanish economy unless Spain backs off. I am sure that Germany would soon bring its bitch to heel if they were faced with a UK that looked after its interests above any EU regulations regarding free trade).

    The UK government should also be openly supporting independence movements in areas like the Canaries and Catalonia, and making it clear that the UK will fight their corner with regards EU membership if they get a mandate from the people for independence. I know David Cameron was recently in the Balearics, but somehow I find it hard to imagine that he had wits about him to meet any Catalonian separatists while he was there.

    Jul 06th, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Justthefacts

    Gibraltar is not militarily defensible from invasion in a direct sense, no matter how you look at it. Britain can hit back in many other ways, economic, political and military, but if Spain chooses to accept those costs then nothing can prevent troops crossing the border and rapidly overwhelming even a reinforced defence. Britain's best option in the event of an invasion- an option which would fully retain national pride and fully resolve the practical problems- is to invade and annex the Canary Islands, evict its population and rename them “New Gibraltar” as the home for displaced Gibraltar citizens.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    I don't see anything new here, just the Spanish being cowards as ever. Its amazing when the British military turn up they won't come out to play but then that is what cowards/bullies do isn't it?

    You only need a single Type 45 in the area and you have a no flight zone, I really wouldn't want to be facing down a Type 45 which their aging harriers, its far worse than trying to bring a knife to a gun fight.

    So alas Spain is a completely failed country with nearly 30% unemployment and is now completely unable to pay its way in the world and needs the handouts of other countries like the UK.

    It's a shame they are doing this really as it must be very embarrassing for the general population that they are acting this way.

    I vote for a show of British military might in the area followed by dealing with any incursions be it sea or air very strongly, I can guarantee they won't do it again if we did. Its a bit like when a British warship turns up and the problems stop immediately.

    Still in the grand scheme of things this is all pretty trivial stuff.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    29 screenname
    30 Justthefacts
    I agree with you both, so many things could be applied to Spain to shut them up,

    And I feel Britain should at the very least show something,
    Rather than give the impression that it is ok , as if they are waiting for something to happen,
    As for taking Spanish territory of the north African coat, it certainly would be interesting,
    Not on the European mainland,
    And far enough to defend,

    But sooner or later something will have to give, it is inevitable or fate..

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I jokingly made a comment that the Royal Marines could be detached there for R&R along with their rigid raiders.

    Now all joking aside, perhaps an RM detachment there, much on the lines of the Falklands ore 1982, might not be such a bad idea.

    Having them regularly patrol the waters in support of the Gib authorities would certainly make the Guardia Civil think twice before playing silly buggers in the area.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    “Gibraltar is not militarily defensible from invasion in a direct sense, no matter how you look at it”
    Spain is not militarily defensible from invasion in a direct sense, no matter how you look at it.
    Forget the Canaries and invade Spain......the Catalonians may help
    Two Fronts...... Catalan in the North and Gibraltar in the South

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “30 Justthefacts”

    You are an idiot. Spain will never invade due to thousands of reasons, It is a political issue, not military. Spain would ruin itself if it was to invade, would be evicted from the EU, stop getting bailouts and ruin its economy from being trade blacklisted.

    Thrown out of NATO, then charter 1 of the NATO alliance would be invoked by the UK and the UK would(not that it would really need it) half of Europe behind it, but also the US.

    The idea of an invasion is stupid.

    TDLR; You are stupid.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Isn't Spain a member of NATO?

    All this discussion on invasion might be a fun excercise, give us a controversial subject to discuss, but does anyone seriously think that Spain would ever attack a fellow member of the organisation?

    Like I said a nice subject in fantasy, but far fetched in reality.

    Still no reason why we should not still discuss it on here.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Justthefacts

    Yes, but countless invasions were far fetched until they happened including one in 1982. Best to have a plan for the unexpected, even at the risk of being considered an idiot by some.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I totally agree, who would have thought that in 1982 Argentina would invade the Falkands and start an inevitable conflict with the British. I mean it is not as if the British are known for fighting back ( sarcasm there, but most certainly not directed at you).

    As the the late Sir Rex HUNT said, “it looks like the silly buggers really mean it.”

    I think the Sanish are not that stupid, they know the British, they should do, they have plenty of experience of dealing with.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @27 There's an answer to your question. The answer is the Foreign & Commonwealth Office. The FCO has a long history of trying to give foreigners what they want. I believe the concept is either that if we give them what they want, they'll give us what we want OR it's easier.
    @30 It's strange that you say that Gibraltar isn't militarily defensible as it has been militarily defended, by Britain, a number of times. There was a Spanish siege between February and June 1727. Then there was the Great Siege of Gibraltar between 24 June 1779 to 7 February 1783. Those were definite attempts at invasion. Gibraltar was directly attacked, both overtly and covertly, on several occasions during the Second World War and it is possible that an invasion might have followed sufficient successful attacks. Hitler had a plan called Operation Felix and some attacks were carried out by Italy and even by the Vichy French.
    @31, 32, 33, 34. My usual suggestion. A squadron of Apache attack helicopters.
    @35, 36. Is that so? In that case, could you explain what happened between NATO members Turkey and Greece over Cyprus?
    @38 The trouble is that, by British standards, Spain isn't really sane. Consider, it relies on a 300-year old treat. In January 1727, Spain declared the nullification of the Treaty of Utrecht's provisions relating to Gibraltar. How does that work? Spain says Gibraltar has no territorial waters because they weren't mentioned in the Treaty of Utrecht. Spanish territorial waters aren't mentioned in the Treaty either. There was no international agreement on territorial waters until 1964. Gibraltar has repeatedly challenged Spain to take the matter to the ICJ. Spain won't go. The current Partido Popular government is particularly irrational.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    The trouble with Spain is that since Napoleons shit on them, they have been our allies, not a bad thing considering the hundreds of years prior to that, they together with France were the natural enemy of the British.

    They should take a page from Franco's book, not even dear old uncle Adolf could persuade them to take us on. Franco may have been a Fascist but he weren't stupid. History is a wonderful teacher, if only you listen too it!

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    The trouble with Spain, is they have trouble with democracy, they never had it till the late 1970's even then a coup was attempted in 1981

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Yet strangely enough when they did get it, they embraced a monarchy instead of a Republic, history again I suppose? Some would say it has a lot to answer for, then again, others would disagree. On here hopefully.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Marcos - Chris Froome has the yellow jersey, Andy M is Wimbledon Champion, British Lions are champions, and little old England wiped the floor with the Pumas. How does it feel?

    Jolly hockey sticks!

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Hate tennis, but well done to him, put DUNBLANE back on the map for the nicest of reasons. No doubt this Survivor will take is trophy there like he always does.

    Lad never gave up!

    Bloody hell Scotland, you keep producing them!

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Murray a great England Fan........
    “I'll be supporting anyone but England.”

    very British.......
    “We Scots have a fierce pride in the things we do that others can never appreciate. I am the British No. 1, but I would prefer to be the British No. 1 from Scotland every time.”
    and of course not sexist.......
    “I think we both played like women in the first set.”

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Tut, tut, tut!

    Can not resist can you?

    Haven't pegged you yet?

    My guess would be Irish nationalist!

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    And everyone was getting on so well

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Haha do I look like I'm wearing a little hat, dressed in green dancing about saying, “Oh it's you of the morning to ye,” I must kiss the Blarney Stone”
    Mind you I do have the gift of the gab!

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fedaykin

    @45 Context is everything A_Voice Andy Murry said that in an interview with the former British number One Tim Henman. It was an easy going interview both joking with each other. Tim Henman had been teasing Andy Murry that Scotland had failed to qualify for the 2006 World Cup. When asked who he would be supporting Murry jokingly replied “Anybody But England”. Unfortunately the transcript was published in a national newspaper and what was a light joking retort to some gentle teasing about Scotland's football performance turned into a huge backlash against Andy Murry. He later said that he would be supporting England and it was very much a storm in a teacup.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    The Anyone But England T-shirt on sale again in Scotland.
    Good job Andy.

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Poor Marcos, another rat that escaped the cull. Smarting at his inferiority and bitter at where he was born... RGlands finest

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Let's see, your not keen on the Scots, you Sussed I was Welsh and you most deffinately are not fond of the English.

    Your well educated, communicate in English both linguistically and in writing as if you were born here and have extensive geographical knowledge of the UK, not to mention customs.

    Given you are not one of the former that leaves only one.

    How you dress and speak is up to to you, Paddy!

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I thought he was a sock puppet of The Suicide In Waiting?

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    In Scotland today:
    “Well done Andy!
    Well done Scotland!
    You created a world star.
    Well done England for hosting it!
    One day you may have a victory of your own to pride yourselves on”

    Jul 07th, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Marcos, Scotland will have their chance to become an Independent nation next year, it's all organised, they just have to say yes or no. The current polls suggest it will be a NO, sorry to burst your bubble.
    At the present time Murray identifies as Scottish-British and has an English longterm girlfriend.
    Getting back to sporting prowess, Argentina came 41st on the Olympic medal table last year, out of a country of 40 million, you managed 1 gold medal, that my friend is nothing short of shocking!
    The region of the UK that achieved the most gold medals was Yorkshire, in the north of England, which puts Yorkshire 12th on the Olympic medal table out of the entire world. That means the County of Yorkshire, England has more to be proud of than your entire nation.
    Does that not make you now feel incredibly feeble and stupid.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    He won Wimbledon. He's Scottish. Oh dear he is not English , get used to it.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    @56 Thinking you're a tedious bore is not a uniquely English trait, believe me.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @56 Marcos Alejandro: “He won Wimbledon. He's Scottish. Oh dear he is not English , get used to it.”

    I hope we do...year on year.

    @54 Marcos Alejandro:

    In London today a Mr. a Murray realised he is going to be a very, very , very rich man... because he is British. He used to wear Fred Perry sportswear, if you didn't know.

    I knew our resident simpleton had issues with brain capacity, but I didn't realise it was smaller than one of his testes. Where is your carer Marcus? I hope you have not soiled your underwear in the face of Scots physical prowess. Some of your countrymen did...

    Chuckle Chuckle

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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  • Xect

    I'm not surprised you think its funny Marcos but you would wouldn't you? If you find that funny that says a lot about you.

    Its funny how people reveal their true selves sometimes isn't it?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    British Harrier 22 : ARA Mirage 0
    No doubtin' the facts, but that's history now - like England 5: Germany 1

    Spain are just pushin' the margin
    .. Pescador and the ARG EEZ; Matadors and the Gib. airspace.
    Nothin' like a little bit of 'externalities' to deflect public attention ...

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anti-Muppet

    I'm surprised there is anyone left in Spain to fly a plane, they are all leaving arnt they? as the ex pat Brits and Germans are buying up huge land areas, properties and businesses - Spain complain about sovereignty of Gibraltar after signing a treaty 300 years ago, yet they are selling there own sovereignty to Brussels how funny, most Spanish big business companies are now in foreign hands, many British, I guess it is easy to see where the Argentines get this continued moaning from...

    Although I am looking forward to Catalonia's independence; since the Spanish government has threatened force against it's own people, that should secure the exit of Spain from the EU and open the door for Gib :)

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    58 screenname
    “I hope you have not soiled your underwear in the face of Scots physical prowess. Some of your countrymen did...”

    So true but you can hardly blame them can you, given the reputation of Scottish Regiments? And that's before they got to 3 Para, 42 Commando and the one they really dreaded: the Ghurkhas?

    The argies: so much aggression, self-opinionated, better than anybody else on the planet. The reality as we all know is the diametric opposite of their fallacies.

    But they do give us plenty to laugh about, even when they are being serious!


    Jul 08th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostros

    @58 Screename I love how so many people like yourself are totally clueless, you see the UK allows for freedom of speech, it allows for its members to hold referendums, it allows for its member states to change things democratically by voting for the change they want, Scottish / English relations are good, and have been for a long time, you seem to be viewing this as some type of civil political war between two of the UK's nations, in fact it's about much more than that, its about the freedom to choose what we want for our own future, very much the same like we allow the Falklands to do the same, to allow Gibraltar to do the same in determining there own future, that same right the Argentines deny Patagonia, that same right Spain deny Morocco, that same right that Spain deny Catalonia and the Basque country, being part of this multicultural society here in the UK is great, I have family from all 4 member nations and Ireland too, we are totally integrated with one another so regardless of Nigel Farrnge or SNP or any independent members within it, we will always get along with one another, this is an island nations with many tribes and cultures, but ultimately we are all cut from the same cloth I have a Irish grandmother/mother a Scottish father with 1 English and 1 welsh parent ultimately I choose to be British, that's my choice, my father chooses to be Scottish but he has no hatred of the English, Welsh nor the Irish to the outside world they may see us divided but you can bet your ass when it comes down to it, we all stick together, to us it's just a bit of banter

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    64 Nostros

    Not that screename needs me to defend him but I most certainly did not read his post in anything like the twisted manner you seem to have done.

    So what if you have family from all five countries, does that make you special?

    I am ambivalent to whatever happens to the Scots or how they vote in the ballot BUT, let me say this: the people I know in Scotland are not so stupid as to believe that Salmond knows WTF is going on and has anything like the thought out process it ought to be to protect their medium term interests never mind a long term plan.

    So good luck to you all.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostros

    @ChrisR Whoops, my mistake, that should have been @59 Marcos Alejandro not @Screenname apologies!!! human error :)

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Hahaha it was fairly obvious from the context that Nostros had put @58 Screenname by all but an idiot......but there's always one!

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Marcos , marcos , marcos,

    He tries, he really tries,

    Argentina has the chance to break up into at least 5 independent countries,, does it not..

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @66 Nostros: no problem, these things happen. hahahahaha

    @65 ChrisR: thanks for the back up, it had me really confused as well

    @67 A_Voice: “to all but an idiot......but there's always one!”

    Given the crazy rantings of some of the malvinistas that post on this website, I don't think it was fairly obvious from the context unless the reader already knew that Nostros was not a malvinista. Anyhow, if ChrisR and myself made the same mistake, then we're both idiots, and if people are idiots for making a simple mistake, then you saying there is “always one” makes you an idiot as well.

    Congratulations for joining the gang. Unfortunately we are all just minor members: it will take years to depose King Marcos

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Opps My Bad......there's always two
    “unless the reader already knew that Nostros was not a malvinista”

    read his post @64 .......yeah he really sounds like a malvinista

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostros

    Hey A_Voice, Malvanista; hehe no chance!! I picked an Ironic name Nostros meaning “Ours” / “Yours” as in the tug of war with the Falklands, we know it's ours/kelpers and they (arg) think it's theirs lol, ah nevermind

    Mistakes happen, look at the mistake Argentina made in 1982

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    @ 1 A_Voice
    Yes the UK 'will do the talking' as that is the agreement between the BOT of Gibraltar and the UK Government. There is nothing to stop the UK Govt. asking reps of the Gib. Govt. to attend with them and they, the Gib. Govt. are fully entitled to ask to be included in the discussions.
    It is just the 'set up' that the citizens of Gibraltar, and the Falklands, have decided that they want at this point in time. It most definitely is not a question of 'knowing your place' as you state.
    we have been all over this in a previous thread - remember?

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mr Ed

    Gibraltar are on their own here, the Blairmacht will not defend them. The British Armed Forces now are only for use in third-world countries that pose no actual threat, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Sierra Leone etc.. Sad to say but I fear that it is true.

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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