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Opinion polls are not enthusiastic about Cristina Fernandez ahead of October mid-term election
Five weeks ahead of primaries and three months away from mid term congressional election, public opinion polls indicate that President Cristina Fernandez could be heading to a serious defeat, particularly in the province of Buenos Aires, which with 37% of the national vote is decisive for any victory pretension. Read full article
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Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0WTF?
This is bad news.
Not for Argentina, but for the Falklands.
More bullsh1t from CFK and her circus clowns=more friction=more MLA activity exposing Argentina's lies=more examination of the history of the Falklands (which when examined more deeply, provides more evidence and historical contextuality against Argentina's claims)= an ever widening gap between Argentina's claims and their objectives.
@1 Pete Bog
Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, what if they vote someone sensible in?
Oh wait...
Always the Peronistas .. the only show in town,
Jul 08th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0but even Peronistas can change spots ('like wot leopards can't').
If Dilma was able to do it - from revolutionary to realist - there must be able men and women in Argentina who can appear from the shadows when this strange aberration is over.
I guess it's time to bribe the people again.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 4 ljb
Jul 08th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree but there is very little left to bribe them with, even their virtually worthless pesos now will not purchase very much and supplies that they will purchase are running low. The recent increases in 'family allowances' have not kept pace with the inflation.
If all else fails, Chrissy will have to use her U$ to win.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think her campaign will use fear.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, fear is certainly cheaper than bribery (or actually doing something useful for that matter).
Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fear a la Egypt, Libya and Syria?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or Fear a la Grenada, Iraq and Afghanistan?
or Fear a la Falklands?
What she really needs is Fear a la Brasil - millions on the streets questioning her and her government.
But is anyone actually surprised that TMBOA is falling like and argie Mirage?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just hope the landing for her is as hard as the poor sod in the Mirage.
It will be interesting to see how she will deploy Fatismo “fat fuck” kirchner and his la campora thugs to steal votes.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now taxi drivers are complaining about her. That says something considering that most of the praise I've heard about her came from those same people.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's not much left to steal, to redistribute among the ne'er-do-wells. I can imagine that Cristina might repeal one of her stupid laws to attempt to secure a victory, just to tighten the noose again after the elections. We'll see.
So am I reading this right...Argentina is a country the size of india, but only has a population of 40 million and over a third of them live in BA?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, after you tke BA out of the picture that's a small population controlling a very large area.
Maybe the Falklanders should make up some fake history to claim most of Argentina, but let the Argentineans still live there as Argentineans. After all, as Dotto has honestly pointed out, this is all about land not people.
Chuckle Chuckle
Interestingly nothing from the trolls yet. I suppose that they are awaiting instructions on how to deal with the situation?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When people are worried they cannot feed their children and any money they had is disappearing with inflation, they feel real fear. Quite understandable.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kirchners have run a hope campaign for years. Promising a better life with them running the country and that they will give the people everything they need. Clearly they cannot deliver and the evidence is stacked against them. The only thing they can do now is breed fear that voting for another party will be even worse.
@12 Friends in BsAs that were CFK supporters are now amongst her fiercest critics.
Why do you think the “trolls” are automatically CFK supporters, what is your basis for this?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit haughty to presuppose that because someone disagrees with the self-labelled “righteous European, British, or North American”, or simply dislikes foreigners, that this automatically makes them something.
This is the real world, not James Bond white/black.
@16 It is true that you have criticised CFK's government for being corrupt and paranoid. You also support The Falklands remaining as they are.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your xenophobia is where you let yourself down. You paint every foreigner with the same brush when in the real world is is not so black and white.
I can only go by how you all comport and carry yourselves here. Way too much hubris, undue arrogance, an excess in belittling, a penchant for exaggeration, and a plethora of tactics to avoid direct questions.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have asked time and time again certain questions, for example, why does a government that tries to control the wealth of its citizens is a dictatorship, but one which seeks to know all activities and communication of its own citizens is a democracy. I asked Troy Tempest point blank and he unsurprisingly shirked, and naturally no other poster was daunt enough to step forward.
“ but one which seeks to know all activities and communication of its own citizens is a democracy.”
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me the exact nature and details and how they now “ALL ACTIVITES” of it's citizens and I will respond to your question.
1-tell me what they know about me
2-tell me how many people it takes to know what all 318 million people do everyday
3-tell me how long it takes to analyze this detail on 318 million people
4-tell me what do they do with this information
You know these answers as you know what they are doing
commence the bribing by CFK hands out 3 million dodgy Netbooks to the kids.. how obvious can you get !!
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are going off topic as per usual. But to answer your question it is a difference between passive and active infringement of rights. The government listening to some of my phone calls (mainly being the ones which incite a form of terrorist attack via bombing etc) does not actively stop me from doing something or being able to do something (unless it stops me from bombing). A government which controls the wealth of its citizens has a more active role in controlling what people are able to do from day to day. As such their position can have larger impact on the day to day lives of the citizens. Active control: Bad. Passive control: Bad, just not quite as bad.
One should be careful of polls published by La Nacion or Clarin ! However , all indications are that the October elections will go very badly for the Government . For once the opposition seems to be uniting , no mean feat in a country famous for individuality ! People have now realized that Kirchner is a walking time bomb which will explode any moment . The lies on inflation , the gross corruption amongst top party leaders , the campaign against the Supreme Court , against the only opposition media group , the chaos in the energy sector , forcing airlines which compete with Aerolineas Argentinas on service and rice to pull out and so on .
Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Won't citizens of the age 16 or 17 years be allowed to vote in the upcoming election?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will they turn up to vote?
Could the upcoming protest vote against the current president be so severe that there are calls for her resignation?
@19, 21
Jul 08th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is truly shocking that you are apparently smart people yet fail to take this issue to its rightful resolution.
Everyone knows that whatever you know of government activities, is like an iceberg. What you see is but a fraction. Think of all the activities and actions YOU DON“T know. So now you know they keep surveillance on their own citizens. Do you think they would stop at that or that they have stopped at that? Do you think that is all the ”secrets” there are to be unveiled? Really.
On the other hand, if the premise Captain Poppy proposes correct, about whether a government can or cannot monitor 300 million (clearly he is suggesting it is not possible), how can he then say honestly that the attempts of “currency” control in Argentina work. How can a government control 40 million people's actions?
Can't have it both ways, either both examples are bad and are a form of dictatorship, or both forms are impossible to control, and thus not that very serious of an issue.
Apple's and oranges tobia. It is very easy to prevent someone from going to a grocery store and buying groceries than it is to find one what they were going to buy.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So do you mean to suggest that not being able to physically analzye 318 million people emails (and it is only metadata) the same inability to outlaw many?
Argentina already has shown they can accomplish that but not allowig the banks to convert it for their citizens. It is even illegal to to buy from the internet without getting fined. Tourists cannot even get U$ anymore.
If you think data mining is the same as spying is the same as a dictatorship, you know even less then you profess when you type. Are you an example of the argentine intelligence community?
I can tell you there are so many ways around it it is not even funny.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Miami is FULL of shopping argentineans, (not just the illegals as yankeboy seems to stress so oft), Europe is full of tourist argies, didnt an article here point out the record UK visits of argies? Chile and Brazil were packed again... how did they ALL manage? We are talking a few million people here. Something does not compute
And all this immigration talk and the polls continue to tick and chip away at the victory front's mismanagement to the Argentine empire. Maybe asslips was hoping to rename Argentina as kirchnerville. I think this polls are going to have asslips, the great cuntmouth of argentina on a IV drip with sedatives.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How will implementing free markets make Havanna coffee more affordable, or sugar. Answer is it won't.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, you are doomed if you don't understand WHY you keep having currency crisis and economic crashes every decade.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you not read any of my posts?
BTW have they started to “recruit” for the collective farms yet?
It did not answer my question. I will answer it, it won't. Chile has for 40 years and people there still can't afford many more luxuries compared to the so-said basket case Argienomics.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not know, Mendoza does not have mass farmland for grains.
So under your belief of a free market economy everyone is supposed to be able to afford “many more luxuries”?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's probably why your economy keeps crashing and everyone is always surprised.
You have never taken an economics class have you?
Is she popular, or is she not,
Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are the argie bloggers telling the truth-or little porkpies,
Is CFK the queen of the Argies , or just a Barbie doll,
All will be revealed soon
And someone will have egg on there faces..
Scrambled , or hard boiled..lol
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Someone suggested here that preparing databases for whole countries is doubtful for (eg) communications.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take the opposite view; it is 'easy'.
I spent 10 years of my life data-mining and then cross referencing with other data-repositories - all on behalf of the UK universities. This became progressively marketing-focussed as the unis became viewed by successive UK governments as 'earning centres'.
I learned at first hand the vast capabilities of (eg) Experion.
Today the software is massively more sophisticated, and the government information machine at Cheltenham has open access to (almost) everything.
And what Cheltenham knows, the Pentagon knows.
Those years spent slicing, dicing and drilling have left me more realistically paranoid than I would wish to be.
There is little that government, corporations and agengies do not know about us - in intimate detail, when it suits them. And I have revealed much too much about me on this site and elsewhere; but I am (hopefully) too old to be a threat.
Geoff........one can almost guarantee the marketing entities know more about us than governments. You also know then the NSA is using predefined phrases for semantic matching before further slicing and dicing takes place. And yes.....I agree you are paranoid. Fear is good when balanced with pragmatism.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They say that smoking those funny cigarettes makes you as paranoid as a skunk; but what do I know .. never having inhaled.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not under my belief, under YOURS.
You are the one amongst others talking about prices and wage comparisons. It is obvious you are suggesting that if your philosophy was applied, none of that would happen. But of course it is not true, as we see in the USA how the middle class has been squeezed to basically eternal servitude as hourly workers to make ends meet.
36. Gads you live in a fantasy world and have absolutely no idea what the USA is like.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're embarrassing yourself
Learn just a touch of economics and free market theory and you'll see why your country is the fastest moving country DOWN the GDP list in the last century.
It is people like you and Axel that are destroying it.
Pick up a book once in awhile.
Sheesh
33 . Perchance did you sign the Official Secrets Act ? It has no expiry date , or sell by !
Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 The Truth PaTroll
Jul 08th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I can only go by how you all comport and carry yourselves here”
So you have judged the entire Western World by the few posters on here......
Wow!!! That's not in anyway narrow minded is it?? ( or Racist )
titter, titter......
As for trying to get a striaght answer out of you.... You stand a better chance of finding Rocking Horse s**t.
have you idiots ever thought of going to the comedy division of the EU and NATO you'd win hands down rgenweener always the loser
Jul 08th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina will lose in Argentina and Dilma will lose in Brazil and then we will have right oriented governments again. No more populism! People is tired of bad shows.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is an article in the Herald with De Navaez talking making allies and “forcing” a constitutional change to have a third term for asslips. Is that how democracy works.......with forcing a constitutional change?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18TOBY
Jul 09th, 2013 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0““ but one which seeks to know all activities and communication of its own citizens is a democracy.”
Toby
You lying son of a Peronist!
You originally asked me ,
“ but one which seeks to 'CONTROL' all activities and communication.”!!!!
”CONTROL“ not ”know”. Quite a different thing.
Let's be honest, Toby. If you are going to get righteously indignant about being forthright, you cannot falsify quotes to fit your rants.
If I recall, shall we look back at the thread, my answer was concerned with how your government directly controls your people by keeping them poor (wealth CONTROL) and therefore, dependent on CFK handouts to feed themselves, Controlling the Middle Class by preventing mobility of their assets ( out of the country or into different currency), so they must rely on Pesos and have no funds to do a “runner”, using Tax Laws to force the “wealthy” to hire “servants” ( taking the poor off gov't welfare rolls), tax laws and corruption ( bribes, skimming) to ensure the Officials get a good cut, and CFK can pay La Campora thugs and the unemployed - ensuring their support during elections, at the same time limiting the power of the Middle Class.
Kinda undermines your “Democracy”, doesn't it??
Whew, and I'm just getting started!!
Ok, now... What “CONTROL of all our activities and communications”??
Security Agencies can use gleaned information against Terrorists (Anarchists), those who would compromise our Democratic governments and their institutions from functioning.
NSA CANNOT provide information to private corporations or individuals.
NSA CANNOT provide information to Police, non-security government institutions, tax agencies, courts, etc. without warrants from aJudiciary body exclusive from the government.
In other words, at the risk of being called naive, the idea is that NSA monitoring is a tool to PROTECT Democracy from Terrorists and Cyber-Terrorists.
CFK's WEALTH CONTROL, is to PROTECT CFK and CFK's re-re-re-election.
The end is near - Millet USA
Jul 09th, 2013 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0A QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY BEFORE YOU CELEBRATE.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it was expectable, it's understandable that many people here, and in the mainland must be very exultant and glad for the results of those polls, however, if you don't want to feel terribly sorprised and dissapointed again,there is something that you all must wonder.
Is sergio massa the anthitesis of kirchnerism, like de narvaez, macri, de la zota, or carrió are?.
As an argentine citizen , and as a kirchnerist activist, i don't have a bad opinion about massa, due to when he was a functionary, he made a lot in order to improve the situations of retired people. Beside, in his declarations to página 12, he said he praises many of the policies of kirchnerism, but he wants to improve some of them, and do what the govt. hasn't done yet.
While it is true that he is not confrontative like c. f. k., it's also true that he is not a reactionary politician aligned to the policies which became arg. into one more u. s. a.'s backyard.
On the other hand, he chose economist ricardo delgado, who is a great economist who supports many of the decisions taken by kirchnerism, in order to work with his team.
This is evident that massa is carring on an intelligent strategy, because he knows that if he wants to win the elections, he can't be against most kichnerist policies, due to although some idiots invalid all the achievements that we could get thanks to c. f. k's polices, there is still an important sector of the society which agrees on c. f. k's ideas.
If any of the other politicians who i named leaded all the polls, i would be very worried about it, but if massa leads them, there is nothing to worry about, because although he doesn't join c. f. k's team, he is not the anthitesis of kirchnerims, that's why, his potential victory shows that most people here agrees on many of the decisions taken by kirchnerism in the last ten years. Anyway, i'll vote for insaurralde, who is also a great candidat who supports c. f. k.
We will soon find out in october..
Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you are as low as you can go, any movement is up.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Jul 09th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NO! We want CFK back in, and Timmerturd!
They are the most INCOMPETENT politicians I have EVER seen and there's a few of those in UK I can tell you.
CFK and Timmerturd have awakened the Falkland Island politicians out of their complacent, comfortable hibernation to now increasingly challenge Argentina's grossly distorted version of history, and will continue to do so-NO TURNING BACK!
This effectively means that despite Argentine scorn (always the sign of someone who does not know they are loosing the argument), the Islanders are increasingly taking over their own foreign policy from the UK.
And Argentina are too blind to see this!
Before CFK sparked up, the Falklands were quiet, too quiet and did not challenge the ridiculous subversion of historical events by Argentina.
And Argentina getting support from countries such as China (no self determination for Tibet),Russia(Chechnya), Iran (LOL), Syria (LOL), Venezuela (LOL), Cuba (LOL)-that's good?
The problem is that CFK is bad for Argentina, which is sad for the population she lets down, but it is a GIFT for the Islanders, as it gives them a platform onto which to repel Argentina's distorted, self opinionated version of history that quotes pieces of treaties without researching everything.
And Argentina is always picking fights with countries and then having to back down when they loose.
I would be more worried for the Falkland Islands if Moyano got in, especially if he was nice to the Islanders, lifted the ban on their ships and started talking to them as brothers and emphasised the population on the islands descended through several generations from South America, especially those that stayed on the islands, that arrived in 1926, ie one of Vernet's ex slaves that died in Stanley (not BA) in 1871.
@48 don't worry, Moyano isn't running for President or any place other than the one he already has, he wouldn't get elected anyway, he's just a gangster.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I for one am supporting CFK and her party in these elections.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK has done more to advance the Falkland Island's as an independent nation than any other politician.
Also her economic policies are having a great effect on my country by actually increasing our exports.
Vote 1 CFK!
@49
Jul 11th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0So glad to hear that, Argentina could only be effective if they had a truly altruistic leader who was skilled at international diplomacy and used reasoned arguments rather than un researched rants, delusions and fairy tales
That is unlikely to happen.
PETE BOG.
Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not going to discuss with you about wether c. f. k's polices are good or not for the country, because this is evident that our ideologies are very different, thats' why we won't never agree on that issue.
You and many others will always consider her as corrupt, populist, and useless, making the usuall too partial analysis that most you often publish. In my case, i prefer being much more serious that what most you are, due to i tell what is usually omitted by the press about argentina's situation, without renouncing to my ideologies, but having intellectual honesty, which is something that most you don't have, that's why many you express no more than the tipicall mediocre analysis, based on distortions of the press or on too partial information.
The main proof of my intellectual honesty, is that although i agree on c. f. k's ideas, i have always recognized also the mistakes, the contradictions, and the negative aspects of her government.
On the other hand, i have never been interested in persuading absolutly anybody in this forum, because it's obvious that most people here have different ideologies to mine, but the only one reason why i publish my comments here, when i have some time, is because i want to tell what is omitted about argentina's situation in many aspects, beside, i love talking about politic.
In my comment 45, i just wanted to warn all those people who must have been glad after reading the results of the poll, that massa is not the anthitesis of kirchnerism, although his style is very different to c. f. k's, beside, beyond his conservative origin, and despite that he included some conservative politicians in his platform, he is not a reactionary man. aligned to the policies which took argentina to be just one more u. s. a.'s backyard in the past.
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