Bolivia demanded France, Portugal, Spain and Italy reveal who told them that former US spy agency contractor Edward Snowden was aboard President Evo Morales' flight from Moscow last week. Read full article
Now we know why the Euro governments wanted Snowden so bad, His latest revelations are specifically about them & their governments participation in the spying program despite the initial denials & condemnation of the US/UK from their leaders it looks like they are all guilty.
@2 What? Ecuador is giving shelter to a criminal. A criminal who should, long before now, have been extradited to Sweden on the orders of a UK court after every available UK legal avenue had been explored. And he's a criminal because he's in breach of his bail conditions.
@3 There may be a few governments in the world that don't indulge in espionage. Nauru perhaps. Or Tuvalu. So this shocked indignation by various LatAm countries is just play-acting for the populace.
“It's the first case of state terrorism against a president, against a nation, against a people. That's what we're talking about now.”
How can it be 'terrorism' if it is carried out by a whole state; surely this is better described as 'war' without a declaration.
I believe I'm correct in thinking the last time it happened that a whole country went for a president was with Saddam - but that was made legal by the UN.
Many nations have undertaken undeclared war-like actions on 'presidents' /countries: Japan did it at Pearl Harbour, Argentina did it in the Falklands, China did it in Tibet, etc, etc.
The USA is just following a well-trodden path in going for a president of a sovereign state .. and it has not done this recently in South America.
Perhaps we have just been lulled into believing better of the USA ... and its European friends.
There will be some sort of apology in the fullness of time. I doubt that it will be accepted by Bolivia; and the world's weaker nations will certainly have taken a message different to that the USA intended.
@7 A war? You mean like the undeclared economic war argieland is prosecuting against the Falkland Islands? In breach, and defiance, of the UN Charter? At the end of the day, don't whinge when others do to you what others do what you do. Ecuador interferes in UK judicial process. Argieland invades peaceful island community, starts war, plans further invasion and war against neighbouring country and now conducts illegal economic war, Bolivia seeks to aid criminal fugitive, Venezuela seeks to aid criminal fugitive. LatAm, the home of terrorist criminality!
And of course 2013 Argentina does not spy at all towards the Falklands and UK to see what we are doing and and plan to do!
There sure are some naive fantasy wet eyed idiots in the world. Every country spies on somebody - for their own commercial and political interests - just as business do! Get real.
@10, i don't understand, if you hate LatAm so much, why look at news and post comments on those news about LatAm?Makes no sense to look at something you dislike...
What she wants / demands, and what she gets /receives,
Are two entirely different things?
From my point of view I would say,
If these countries like Bolivia can swear that they have never / now / or ever intends to spy on others, then they may have a case for being upset,
But if these countries have ever spied on others then surely it the kettle calling the pot black,
And thus should be told to Soddy offy.
Countries like Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, should follow the examples of the more mature nations of the sub continent - Colombia, México and Chile come to mind - and remember that diplomacy is an art. He who shouts loudest is usually ignored because usually he is wrong in his assumptions.
#19.
Surely Morales only needs to check the voice recorder on his plane to find out ...
Hello President Morales' plane.
This definitely is not the Head of the CIA speaking.
You will find that certain European countries have closed their airspace to you. We .. sorry, the USA .. definitely not ask them to.
You are directed to set down at Vienna airport because in 30 seconds time you will have a problem with your fuel guage.
You will be met by specialists in black glasses who will check to make sure there are no other problems with your plane.
Have a nice day, y'all
very creative piece of fiction you write..........is that from liquor you drink of the wold weed you smoke? Either one is obviously not too good for you. Stick to your day job.
@8
Yes but a secret is emerging that if Cowpat did not get the answer he wished, Bolivian agents in Europe would infiltrate the EU and make everyone that did not talk, have a hairstyle like his-so someone will squeal eventually.
Fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has met rights groups and lawyers at a Moscow airport, in his first appearance in three weeks.
In a statement, Mr Snowden said he was requesting asylum in Russia because he was unable to travel to Latin America, where Venezuela had granted him asylum.
Mr Snowden could hypothetically stay in Russia if he first, completely stops the activities harming our American partners and US-Russian relations and, second, if he asks for this himself, President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
This will be interesting to see if Putin will take him in. He was none to pleased to have him there in the first place.
It is always easy for a politician to verbally bashed another country, in the case the USA. But the reality is Russia cannot afford to have actually bad relations with the USA. Russia knows it, just as venezuela and chubby knew it. Regardless of what chubby did publicly....his actions in the trade business with the USA told a different story.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHu! Nope. Ecuadors interference in the judicial process of the United Kingdom!
Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Assange in the Ecuador Embassy. No interference by Ecuador in UK's legal system ?
Jul 09th, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now we know why the Euro governments wanted Snowden so bad, His latest revelations are specifically about them & their governments participation in the spying program despite the initial denials & condemnation of the US/UK from their leaders it looks like they are all guilty.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0What guilty of spying???
Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never, that is shocking!!!
Bolivia DEMANDED LoL never a good start to make demands in that way the USA must be shaking with fear.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 What? Ecuador is giving shelter to a criminal. A criminal who should, long before now, have been extradited to Sweden on the orders of a UK court after every available UK legal avenue had been explored. And he's a criminal because he's in breach of his bail conditions.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 There may be a few governments in the world that don't indulge in espionage. Nauru perhaps. Or Tuvalu. So this shocked indignation by various LatAm countries is just play-acting for the populace.
“It's the first case of state terrorism against a president, against a nation, against a people. That's what we're talking about now.”
Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can it be 'terrorism' if it is carried out by a whole state; surely this is better described as 'war' without a declaration.
I believe I'm correct in thinking the last time it happened that a whole country went for a president was with Saddam - but that was made legal by the UN.
Many nations have undertaken undeclared war-like actions on 'presidents' /countries: Japan did it at Pearl Harbour, Argentina did it in the Falklands, China did it in Tibet, etc, etc.
The USA is just following a well-trodden path in going for a president of a sovereign state .. and it has not done this recently in South America.
Perhaps we have just been lulled into believing better of the USA ... and its European friends.
There will be some sort of apology in the fullness of time. I doubt that it will be accepted by Bolivia; and the world's weaker nations will certainly have taken a message different to that the USA intended.
Yes, you can bet a few have already told them to fuck off and grow up.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Cowpat himself he is simply doing what he does best: playing the grand twat.
At least the UK are out of it for now!
@2. He jealous because Ed the Intern is getting all the attention these days.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 A war? You mean like the undeclared economic war argieland is prosecuting against the Falkland Islands? In breach, and defiance, of the UN Charter? At the end of the day, don't whinge when others do to you what others do what you do. Ecuador interferes in UK judicial process. Argieland invades peaceful island community, starts war, plans further invasion and war against neighbouring country and now conducts illegal economic war, Bolivia seeks to aid criminal fugitive, Venezuela seeks to aid criminal fugitive. LatAm, the home of terrorist criminality!
Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And of course 2013 Argentina does not spy at all towards the Falklands and UK to see what we are doing and and plan to do!
Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There sure are some naive fantasy wet eyed idiots in the world. Every country spies on somebody - for their own commercial and political interests - just as business do! Get real.
I will bet that there are least one, two or three of your South American Islanders that send regular reports to BA.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go has far as to say, they probably work at MPA, drivers, mess orderlies, cleaners etc.
All this holier than though response to espionage, I mean, for the love of mike, it is not has if it is a new phenomenon.
Bloody hell, anyone ever heard of Judas?
@10, i don't understand, if you hate LatAm so much, why look at news and post comments on those news about LatAm?Makes no sense to look at something you dislike...
Jul 09th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Jul 09th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear.......so he can say the things .......he is about to say to you!
@2 What? Ecuador is giving shelter to a criminal.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0has he been convicted of anything yet? (Other than being a tit)
What a bunch of drama Queens
What she wants / demands, and what she gets /receives,
Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are two entirely different things?
From my point of view I would say,
If these countries like Bolivia can swear that they have never / now / or ever intends to spy on others, then they may have a case for being upset,
But if these countries have ever spied on others then surely it the kettle calling the pot black,
And thus should be told to Soddy offy.
Just my opinion..
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Countries like Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, should follow the examples of the more mature nations of the sub continent - Colombia, México and Chile come to mind - and remember that diplomacy is an art. He who shouts loudest is usually ignored because usually he is wrong in his assumptions.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Gordo, diplomacy IS an art.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0And downing a foreign president's plane - with the president in it! - is a special sort of art-form.
If 'Bolivia wants EU ambassadors to reveal who said Snowden was aboard Morales plane' is unedifying shouting back, then it is quite understandable.
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Jul 10th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:27 am
Why the insistance on the downing of Evito's plane? The pilot asked for authorization to land in Vienna because of a problem with a fuel guage!!!!!!
That sounds like auto-downing to me!!!!!!!!
@19 Oh shucks, there go those Ryanair flight attendants again, doing their job siphoning the gas out of other people's planes into their own.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bolivia wants EU ambassadors to reveal who said Snowden was aboard Morales plane.......how does NO grab you.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#19.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely Morales only needs to check the voice recorder on his plane to find out ...
Hello President Morales' plane.
This definitely is not the Head of the CIA speaking.
You will find that certain European countries have closed their airspace to you. We .. sorry, the USA .. definitely not ask them to.
You are directed to set down at Vienna airport because in 30 seconds time you will have a problem with your fuel guage.
You will be met by specialists in black glasses who will check to make sure there are no other problems with your plane.
Have a nice day, y'all
very creative piece of fiction you write..........is that from liquor you drink of the wold weed you smoke? Either one is obviously not too good for you. Stick to your day job.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Jul 12th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but a secret is emerging that if Cowpat did not get the answer he wished, Bolivian agents in Europe would infiltrate the EU and make everyone that did not talk, have a hairstyle like his-so someone will squeal eventually.
From the BBC website
Jul 12th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has met rights groups and lawyers at a Moscow airport, in his first appearance in three weeks.
In a statement, Mr Snowden said he was requesting asylum in Russia because he was unable to travel to Latin America, where Venezuela had granted him asylum.
Mr Snowden could hypothetically stay in Russia if he first, completely stops the activities harming our American partners and US-Russian relations and, second, if he asks for this himself, President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
This will be interesting to see if Putin will take him in. He was none to pleased to have him there in the first place.
Jul 12th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is always easy for a politician to verbally bashed another country, in the case the USA. But the reality is Russia cannot afford to have actually bad relations with the USA. Russia knows it, just as venezuela and chubby knew it. Regardless of what chubby did publicly....his actions in the trade business with the USA told a different story.
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