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Strong letter to Cristina Fernandez for blocking AMIA case prosecutor from testifying before US congress

Tuesday, July 9th 2013 - 06:34 UTC
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The United States Congress sent a strong letter to Argentine president Cristina Fernandez expressing ‘disappointment’ and ‘deep concern’ over the government’s decision to deny General Prosecutor of the AMIA Case, Alberto Nisman, the opportunity to testify before the House Committee on Homeland Security’. Read full article


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  • toxictaxitrader2

    How to win friends and influence people,NOT

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Argentina is a sovereign country and do not need to bow to “requests” from Congress to appear before them.
    The USA can ask but have no power to “demand”.
    “Demanding” is the sole prerogative of Argentina as has been demonstrated time and time again on the International scene.
    Of course, the inference will be taken that they have something embarrassing to hide.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    Did you miss me boys? I hope not ha ha.

    I do agree with you the first part of your post. Argentina is a sovereign country and will not accept any demand from US to share intelligence or any investigation with them. Simple because they have no power to do that here, like they do with some lap dogs in decadent Europe.

    If they don’t want to be bombed by Iran better to don’t mess things up with them.

    Who cares...

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check


    And just who was it that bombed Argentina?


    Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MrFlagpole

    possibly one of the stupidest things CFK has ever done.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Optimus_Princeps

    @5 One of many.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    I am sure that the issue is that this document be sent and received *officially*.
    I have no doubt that the USA already have copies of the document already distributed to its core team. It would be a piss poor spy service that couldn't get its hands on it!

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @reality check

    “And just who was it that bombed Argentina?”

    If you want my opinion that was a local job, and was not a bombing otherwise a “demolition stuff” any military in Argentina could have done the job with some kilograms or trotyl (trinitotolueno) and a old Magicube flash (Kodak flash) available a the time.

    You only need 475 °C to detonate trotyl and can be made with a simple cell phone. Not recommended to do that at home because could be dangerous for health like smoking.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2 Of course argieland has something to hide. It always has. In her increasingly desperate attempts to cling on to power, CFK will get into bed with anyone. And not just figuratively. Argieland has no prerogative for “demanding” as its many attempts demonstrate. How many years has it been “demanding” that the UK “negotiates” over something that is non-negotiable? How many years has it been “demanding” that the UN “enforces” things that are unenforceable? Long past time that argieland recognised its proper place in the world. It's a poorly-run, mediocre, pipsqueak place. It should act accordingly. The best argieland can hope for is that it's allowed to beg.
    @3 Sorry, argieland is an “implanted population” and has no “rights”. Although it might, just might, be permitted a fair trial for its genocides and war crimes.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    Wow dannyburger that's a bit to much info bet ci5 have there eyes on you now matey or the NHS

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    Where are you from idiot?

    Ci5 it was a fictional TV series from the ’80 called “the Professionals” emulating fictional reality from former MI5 now MI6 (British intelligence service) if you can really say that there are any intelligent at all.

    Because if they really did they would be advising Mr. KaMoron about the real risk to upset Argentina a really nuclear power state that can blow up the whole British fleet if they want.

    Also they can see what kind of underwear are your soldier using from sky.

    Do you thing George Cowley AKA Gordon Jackson is going to contact me? from CI5

    ha ha

    Next how to make home-made napalm with detergent and gasoline from old German School.

    Ha ha ha

    BTW doyou know that “SIDE” is monitoring your activities in this site did you know that?
    ha ha

    I would be really scared if I would be you mate. ha ha ha

    MI6 is a joke compared with them...

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    I cannot think of an instance of a US prosecutor appearing before Congress in order to report on an ongoing investigation. So I cannot see any justification for an Argentinian prosecutor appearing on that basis either.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fbear

    The report is about past actions based on policies of a now past president. Could there be moderation from this point forward, or are we to judge the new president based on the footprint left by the old? I say give this man a chance. Watch him closely, but give him a chance. As for the letter, well, my concern is and has been since the department of Homeland Security was formed in the US that it is a guise for an American=style gestapo. They might just as well have referred in the letter to “the fatherland.”

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @11 Both MI5 and MI6 exist. Hahahahaha. Dummy burger.
    “Argentina a really nuclear power state that can blow up the whole British fleet if they want.” Silly dumbo. Argieland can't even put a reactor in a submarine. And it will probably explode if they do. Good riddance to a few more argie queers.
    “Also they can see what kind of underwear are your soldier using from sky.” Actually, can't even see Britain from sky. But you could “feel” Britain from the sky. If you dared live in “your” country. But you don't dare. Because, like most argies, you're a COWARD. A little challenge. PROVE I'm wrong. PROVE you live in the cesspit.
    “SIDE” is very big on prostitution and bribery. Is that what you do? Do you do the “I'm a burger, give me your meat” bit? Are you in “division” 369? “SIDE” is a bit short on “intelligence”. Of any sort.
    “I would be really scared if I would be you mate.” Why would anybody be scared of a slag with a big mouth? And, yes, we know why you have a big mouth. Plus other big “entrances”. Can't keep the “customers” waiting. Right? Are you servicing La Campora? All of it? Aren't all those little thin dicks that don't touch the sides a disappointment? Or are you off in Europe? Where there are BIG dicks. But you only get paid for your receptivity. Are you all-round receptive? Since you're a latino, I'll give you a £1 if you can do the full range. For a week!

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @12: From a domestic perspective wrt separation of powers, yes it's bad form to do that even when it's their own special prosecutor on an open case. But they're brining him in as a specialist on Iranian terrorism and from that context we know that Iran is behind the bombings that he investigated. And to mix metaphors they can invite a ham sandwich (heck one of the idiots even brought in a muppet) to testify on any topic relevant to a given committee. And if this fellow ain't a specialist on Iranian terrorist activity in the Americas, then who is?

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    In my opinion it was a local job.

    That why you sacked the judge investigating it, concluded a treaty with Iran and are so desperately, desperately trying to stop your lot from talking to the yanks? Because it was an home grown attack? Bollocks!

    No self respecting terrorist uses TNT, Semtex, C4 or any other type of high grade explosive anymore! For the simple reason it can be traced! That brings a whole world of shit down on the supplier, legalising swift and lethal retaliation! They make the stuff from fertiliser and other components! Purchased locally and non traceable to any government, thats how they operate, or they would do, if they had any fucking sense!

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    If Mi5 still exist what it is was in charged of home security why you got bombed in the tube?
    Are they so stupid so?

    The only Latino I can see here is you because you were conquered by the little Italian 43 years BC for close to 500 years like the Spanish.

    Don’t you know your own history idiot?

    How do you think your country capitol ended up to be called London? And you country Great Britain?

    Have you ever been in primary school in shitty Britain?

    Your capitol was named like this in honour to a Roman soldier called Londinium former Llyn Din

    Yeap the little Italians have raped and slaved you in the 450 BC and produced Briton Latinos that is the reason you are so short and loose your hair so faster.

    So At least you are not a Scottish or Irish Or may be Welsh you are pretty Latino idiot.

    You have got from Little Italians the Alphabet a, b,c,d,e, etc. Church, parliament, tax, drains, toilettes, etc. etc.

    So you are more Latino than and Argie eating pasta and singing Giacomo Puccini Italian Opera

    So I will give 100 shitty British latin pounds to you (As I am richer than you) if you go to school again idiot. You really need it.

    Io vincero, vinceroooooo.......

    So here a road map.. Oval (latin word), church (latin word), parliament (latin word), democracy (latin word from old Greek), people (Latin word from populus), pure (from latin word purus), simple (from Latin simplus), etc, etc. we can be the whole day listing Latinos words that make English language as 70% are latin words like the Spanish, French, Romaian, etc, etc.

    What I cannot yet understand is why you actually eat kebabs and use pyjamas all the time.

    Any logic explanation mate?

    @reality check
    Do you mean Urea or ammonium nitrate?
    It seems they used Trotyl, ammonium and Aluminium (amonal)
    no sure...

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Explains why we managed to kick the shit out of you?

    A Lennionarie named Londy Dinnium showed us how to do it 2000 years ago.

    Damn fancy us remembering that, with all those languages to learn!!!!

    Perhaps you should be the one that talks to the yanks, you seem to have all the information they need.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    Nice racist rant.

    - hates Brits, obviously
    - hates Kebab-eating peoples
    -hates people who do not wear “Western” dress
    -hates Italians
    -hates Spaniards
    - would therefore appear to hate all Argentine ancestors, apart from the Nazi's.

    Britain is quite a distinct society from 2,000 years ago.

    Unlike Argentina, we still have excellent plumbing and water infrastructure, reliable electrical power, top-notch roads and transportation systems to service commerce and our population, a government that has evolved from the times of warring dynasties, empires, and militaristic Roman-style Reichs - er Republics.

    What do you have, an inferiority complex to Spain, crumbling technology and infrastructure, blackouts, and a nutty Empress, Caligulina, who has usurped your Roman- style Republic.
    Oh, and empanadas.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    oh great DunnyBurger the troll is back with yet more racism...deep joy.


    “”“”“Because if they really did they would be advising Mr. KaMoron about the real risk to upset Argentina a really nuclear power state that can blow up the whole British fleet if they want.”“”

    if the fleet doesnt move......

    for about 100 years....


    Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    How dare the Americans demand anything from the Barbie Queen?

    This will just upset the locals, and that is bad news for the Americans,
    We all know what happens to those who insult the mighty argie queen,

    Her loyal bloggers on here will throw out extra toys in her defence.
    And the unmighty UN will be flooded with tear drops…


    Perhaps some should be a bit more choosey who they pick as friends,

    Justa thought..


    Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog


    But we learn from our defeats and get better.

    In WW2 my great Uncle affirmed that when he was fighting in the North African desert the Italians ran and surrendered in huge numbers.

    Not like the Romans at all eh? So the Italians were good and then got worse over 1900 years.

    The UK started off by being invaded and got wise to it. But got better.

    In fact the Argentine soldiers who 'were NEVER going to leave the Malvinas' according to news reports from their soldiers before the Brits turned up did like the Italians in WW2-ran and surrendered.

    Funny that Peron got his fancy ideas firstly from Mussolini, (another Italian know all know nothing-great against unarmed Abbysinians, not quite so hot against the Brits-like Argies innit? The same tactics that lost Mussolini his head and caused Hitler to commit suicide-and replicated by Argentina in 1982, arses firmly kicked hard.

    The biggest laugh is that Argentina wants the USA to back them over the Falklands while doing everything they can think of to annoy the USA.

    When Argy loving Obama goes-the USA will really be annoyed by Argentina's lack of diplomacy.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #11Because if they really did they would be advising Mr. KaMoron about the real risk to upset Argentina a really nuclear power state that can blow up the whole British fleet if they want.
    What colour is the sky on your planet ? OR are you on mind bending drugs. What is then preventing your country from walking into the Falklands - I am assuming that they can walk on water amongst other miraculous feats of ledgerdemain to which you ascribe..
    By the way, I saw one of our nuclear submarines leaving the Firth of Clyde two nights ago heading South - looked like a Trafalgar class vessel.. Probably somewhere off B.A. in about 40 days.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    anybody for transparency??

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia The prosecutor concerned is the expert that he is simply because of his work as a prosecutor.

    I believe the principle is more general than you indicate. So, for instance, I would be concerned about a US prosecutor appearing before the Argentinian Congress to testify about a current prosecution. And a Chilean prosecutor appearing before the Brazilian Congress and so on. These bodies can ask for a prosecutor to testify but the duty of the prosecutor is to refuse.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Argentina has an amazing ability to shoot itself in the foot.

    What is even more amazing, they do while that foot is lodged firmly in their mouth.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    This is a new story because...

    Have a nice night.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Hepatia #25
    The 500 page indictment is able to be sent as a pdf. official copy.
    There is no need for the Prosecutor/originator of the document to attend.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    25 hepc you fail to understand that the US congressional comittee is not interested in the case per se, the Homeland Security comittee is interested in the role that iran plays in international terrorism. But, I understand that your country has a role to play in providing cover to your allies......iran, north korea, syria and such.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Captain Poppy

    “the Homeland Security comittee is interested in the role that iran plays in international terrorism”

    And why you don’t go to investigate directly to Iran or use your chiguaga dog “Britain” that was quite bombed and stop showing your ass around here?

    They have according with poster here George Cowley from CI5 and Mr. Bean from MI5 ready to go?

    O sorry seems Mr. Bean is already on duty...

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia And you fail to comprehend the concept of the seperation of powers.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    31 Hepatia (#)
    Jul 10th, 2013 - 01:09 pm

    Where does the seperation of powers come in, the prosecuter is from Argentina and the Congress is of the USA. More seperation than that is almost impossible!!!!!!

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    There should be a separation of powers, but there is not - that is precisely why the the US are being realistic and addressing CFK, as she controls as much as she can. Officially or non-officially.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    hep .....explain to me how you made that conslusion of me, especially from someone that supports kirchnerism? Really.....please explain that claim you make of me that I fail to understand the separation of powers of my country?

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll


    First of all I thought Argentina was so useless that it provided no information of relevance for anyone. As such I fail to see what new information about Iran could an argie prosecutor provide that your dogged NSA does not already have factored in.

    So there are only two possible other reasons, eliminating the “US congress just wants to find out Iran's role in intl' terrorism”:

    1) They think the US congress has purview within Argentine law or territory
    2) It is just simply a propaganda circus to further American propaganda against Iran, since we know the US congress and government have absolutely no impartiality in this scenario.

    Either possibility is tin-pot politics at best, and the legal system of any country would be sane enough to bar anyone within its jurisdiction from falling into such puerile brinkmanship.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    There in is your problem tobi, thinking before you had a swing of pure lactacious white creamy nectar of your momma's titti. Travel the world so you can grow up and know with it i s like outside of that shithole in mendoza. Hows the Med Fly's doing.....getting the fruit harvest in before it is destroyed?

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    You know It's been quite a few days now since I have tried to bring positive debate, and all you on the other side have been able to manage thus far is what you can read just above me, and going off topic (fruit harvest).

    So you see, I am proving you all not only as hypocrites, but also as having no skills to debate after all the so-called earnest plight asking me to contribute positively here.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My guess is Iran probably told CFk not to let her testify.
    With all the bad press Arg is getting, bad reports going to Congress etc she's going to have a tough road in the future.
    I think US is going to use Arg as a lesson to other countries who are thinking about straying from Int'l laws.
    I'm sure she doesn't' care if she takes 40MM people's lives and fortunes with her, she lives well and Maxi has never missed a meal.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yes I think iran has been pulling argentinas strings as RG has become irans poodle and sock puppet. argentina is making the news in the USA more these days. I'm starting to think sanctions might be coming down the road.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I will be very surprised if they aren't declared a narco state and also put on the high risk-uncooperative state list by FAFT over the Cedin roll out.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    The two people above are on cheap Nebraska farm meth. One prosecutor is not to show up at the hearing of a foreign state, and these two are talking about sanctions, lives and fortunes, and pie in the sky?

    I always knew Americans were delusional egomaniacs, but the last three post above are gems of Narcissus. There is nothing the US congress can do and this is not even news in Argentina. And it will be forgotten even here by the weekend.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    37 The Truth PaTroll

    “I have tried to bring positive debate” - like your posts @27 and @35.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, you are a very stupid boy. The story of nutty CFK running a narco state is being told to The US Congress. If you get enough Congressmen together they can and will do something about it.
    Why don't you take a look at what happened to Iran when we shut down their ability to wire U$.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #42 he is an argentina tween and is memory is short from the polluted waters of mendoza.
    Of course it is not news in is in the Buenos Aires City. You are too juvenile to comprehend the accumulative effects of your favorite argentina cunt you call a president has done to damage your country. But thenm, you may be correct considering how primitive argentina still is.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Still waiting for intelligent responses.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    yeah we are too.
    Kinda sad how many delusional half wits there are in Argentina

    You'd think with so much unemployment more people would be online. I guess they're busy drinking Mate and smoking waiting for the next choripan and wine protest.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia I don't know much about the status of this case. If the indictment actually exists as has been filed then it must be available publicly already unless it is sealed. If it is sealed then it can only be unsealed by a court - not by any congress including the US Congress.

    But there is another issue. A prosecutor must not be, and must not appear to be, an intelligence agent - for reasons that I would think are self evident. An indictment is prepared for the express purpose of bringing a prosecution to a court. It should not be used by any other branch of government for any other reason. To do so risks undermining justice.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Hep They are two different governments. Nowhere does it say they are sealed. ALl the sub committee is asking for an opinion, that's why people are requested before congress. Apparently the prosecutor was prepared to speak to the US congress by the Attorney General was concerned and needed to protect their terrorist ally. Ashame the jews do not matter to Argentina, but then again, this is a country that harbored and gave refuge to the nazi's.
    As for you intelligence agent remark........field operatives work a little different than telling the world they are investigation something.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia And they are two different branches of government.

    If the indictment is not sealed and has been filed then it is available to all - including the US Congress. So there is no need for anybody to “send an official pdf”.

    The prosecutor was being invited to testify before an intelligence committee of Congress about information that he has (apparently) included in the indictment. Whether the testimony was to be limited to his opinions or not is hard to day. But, I repeat, the essential job of a prosecutor is to present his evidence to a court and not to any other body. And that is what is to happen. So, in due course, the Congress will learn what it needs to know from the court transcripts.

    One of the problems with this story is this is the only article that I know of on the subject. And the substandard British government journalism shown in this article does not present sufficient information to support the conclusions that you have reached (makes you appreciate the merits of a free press, doesn't it). For instance there is no suggestion that the prosecutor concerned ever entertained the idea of appearing. And, of course, no prosecutor is ever authorized to present a case to a congress. I suspect that the Prosecutor General was simply reiterating this fact.

    Finally, as a tax payer, I am concerned that Congress is wasting my money pursuing this matter. They should know better.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    As a taxpayer I would have thought you would prefer terrorists weren't setting up base in your neighbourhood.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    WTF knows the US congress?

    Are they looking for photo opportunity or are the yanks so bad on these days that need to come to Argentina to look for info about Iran terrorism?
    Diverting attention from US economic and govt. mess then cry when Argentina sizes their military planes like babies.

    Such clowns...

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog


    And you are DESPERATE for the USA to change from being neutral over the Falklands issue and take Argentina's side.

    And desperate for the USA to buy your poisoned lemons and foot and mouth riddled beef.

    Go ahead, get into bed with Iran, Syria Cuba Venezuela, and all the crack pot dictatorships you side with.

    Because while the USA only calls for negotiations between Argentina and the UK, the Falklands are safe.

    You can bet your bottom Peso that if Russia and China get involved in Argentina's imperialism in the South Atlantic, the USA will back the UK like 1982.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Hep still on the role as being an American? Getting old is it not?

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    And the substandard British government journalism shown in this article ..........

    Whoaa ! I must have missed something here. Can you direct me to the article covered by your remark above ?
    Or, as I suspect, it is just one of your usual anti British statements that punctuate everyone of your posts whether relevant or not.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Hep. For someone claiming ot be from the USA you know very little about how things work here.

    WTF is wrong in that country that they are still investigating a 20yo case that NOBODY has been brought to justice?

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Time to quote Ben Franklin again: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Pale in comparison...
    Seventy-two percent of Argentines and 71 percent of Mexicans think their country’s corruption has grown in the past year. A close third is Venezuela, with 67 percent of population saying corruption runs rampant. It is precisely Venezuela the NGO gives as an example of classic corruption. A 50-year-old woman, Carmela, described the day when a group of policemen burst into her home and arrested her 27-year-old son and would not let him go free until she paid a ransom.

    The report pointed out what institutions were the most affected, and results varied in different countries. The police was named the most corrupt entity in Bolivia, Venezuela, Mexico and El Salvador. Politicians and political parties shared the top spot in Mexico and Argentina and came just behind legislators as the top corrupt authority in Brazil.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Hep C as you like pretending to be an American and now that you've quoted Franklin, tell me.....what do you think his opinion of suicide bombers and using jets as artillary, what was his quotes on that?
    I know how you like to minimize the total destruction of the Twin Towers, the bombing of the Pentagon and all the lives lost are meaningless and “little” to you.
    And BTW, if you are going to quote (as you have several times) one of my countries founding fathers, use the exact fucking quote because the meaning is actually different and I also sugest you research “WHOM” he was talking to and “WHAT” he he meant. I suppose it was be “LOST IN TRANSLATION”

    “Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

    You may believe it means generally the same thing as you are trying to force feed it, but it means nothing to you implication of what it means when he responded to the governor. Figure out the difference in your usage and the actually quote. When english is a second language, you will again think it is the same.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    There are wildly differing views on what should be understood by ‘essential liberty’…… in other words, a universal concept of liberty does not exist.
    Citizens of a democratic state, must decide for themselves what essential liberty should be, They must find a balance between a security which does not compromise your fundamental rights and a freedom which does not lay them bare to attack.

    In the face of increasing threats to national and international security, they must remain committed to their convictions, not allowing them to become distorted by fear or the threat of danger in such a way as to permit them to sacrifice one thing for the sake of the other……..
    for only through true freedom can true security exist.

    The fourth amendment…….“to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures”.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Two major points.....if one is to quote an American, the context is what that American is talking about in respect to whom he was responding to. His quote is often the most misused quotes. Essential liberty was very specific in his entirety.
    Also he offset it to a short term gain of of little is any security. You should read the Franklin papers.
    Lastly your reference to the Bill of Rights also speaks of “unreasonable”, but surely everything is considered unreasonable in your mind when it comes to seeking muslim terrorist....your allies.

    Security, liberty and rights......stick to what you know in SA......trolling. You live in a country that is totally incapable of defending itself, but you need not worry as you are so undeveloped and primitive, no one wants you other than China for your resources. Fortunately with inflation (according to Indec) is only 10%, kirchner is buying protection of the military with a 24% increase. Not that's security!

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Why not save us all some time and you explain what he meant by essential liberty......because I can guarantee, you would be the first, as Franklin failed to define what should be covered by “essential liberty”.
    So why not stick to what you do best.......non-existant grammar and Pigeon English!
    .......and don't forget to save the Southern economy...... Eat More Canned Possum!

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  • Hepatia The fact of the matter is that there are those who would sacrifice liberty for security. They are often heard to say things like, “The government can monitor me because I have nothing to hide.”

    Then there are those who believe that security is liberty. These are the Neocons who got us into Iraq (where we achieved neither security or liberty). Those who propose hauling prosecutors before Congress are in this group. Their aim is to create a national security state.

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  • Captain Poppy

    Read his letter, it's essentially spelled out in English.

    I love when you resort to insults, it a measure of the level of frustration you experience. My be like when you wake each morning to the depressing reality of knowing that you are still Argentine and it was only a dream you were someone else.

    canned crack me are

    Thanks think

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  • Anglotino

    Argentineans have resorted to eating canned possum now?

    Wow the economy is worse than I though. Though there's ANOTHER potential export industry for Australia thanks to Argentina.

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  • Vestige

    @ 41 The Truth PaTroll (#)

    Ive been in your place, believe me, when dealing with certain ....extravagant (and probably very long armed) individuals... on this site its not a matter of sticking to the subject at hand so much as it is about finding some or any eh,...material.... to throw.

    Why just the other day I found myself reading about how many sq'km of paved road Venezuela has for its armored infantry... how I ended up there I dont know... the original article was something to do with ejection seats.

    Ill pass you my Schwarzenegger list and my Churchill syndrome list, really though.....from what I can see of your comments you really shouldn't be running in this race. (if you know the old internet saying I refer to).

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  • Captain Poppy

    Oh a-hole voice/think........would you like to know what volumn and page that quote is often mis-used can be found? And the bill in question for the Kings Army? Maybe you then can understand Franklin's audience and the subject's in question. So chill, crack open a can of possum and read the article and stay on subject....they are bitching about you.

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  • yankeeboy

    Let me clarify Vestige's statement, it brought up the paved roads in Venezuela as proof that Chavez could get 10 tank battalions to the Colombia boarder. I pointed out that that statement was as ridiculous and as ill-thought out as Think's having Snowden hire a 777 and fly DIAGONALLY across the Pacific to reach Venezuela
    Both statements are so laughable I think they were embarrassed to have had them refuted.
    My advice is if you don't want idiotic statements made of fun of don't post them.

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  • Clyde15

    And the substandard British government journalism shown in this article ..........

    Whoaa ! I must have missed something here. Can you direct me to the article covered by your remark above ?
    Or, as I suspect, it is just one of your usual anti British statements that punctuate everyone of your posts whether relevant or not.

    Still waiting on a reply on this one.

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Oh! poor Amexican noting good comming from Amexica on this days othen than burritos an tacos and they try hold their frustration by insulting another nation doing pretty well.

    Envy perhaps? luck of personal achievements? misery and poverty provoking mental illness?

    Who knows...

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  • yankeeboy

    Then I wonder who is buying our U$ 1.6 Trillion in exports?
    Seems to me a lot of people like what is coming out of the USA

    BTW did you see Argentina was tied for THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY in South America? Makes you proud huh? Finally being #1 at something, Even better than Venezuela! Now all you have to do is slightly increase the violent crime rate in BA and you'll have Caracas beat on that pesky front too.

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  • Captain Poppy

    seems dumburger loves to makes sophomoric rants without realizing just how lame and impotent they are in a desperate attempt to defelct with the fruitless goal at chain yanking. I believe like stink/think/a-voice, he is angry at who he is so he comes online here to hoping to release his anger.

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  • Troy Tempest


    “So why not stick to what you do best.......non-existant grammar and Pigeon English!”

    Hey, Think-Doofus,
    You've made an ass of yourself - again.

    There is no such term as “Pidgeon English”
    Pigeons are birds that pick through garbage looking for food, just as many Argentinians will be doing soon.

    “Pidgin” is the term that confused you.

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  • Captain Poppy

    “Why not save us all some time and you explain what he meant by essential liberty......because I can guarantee, you would be the first, as Franklin failed to define what should be covered by “essential liberty”.

    #61 stink.......have you found the entire test to Franklin's letter to the then Governor of Pennsylvania? Of would you like for me to spell out what he was talking about in ”essential liberty“ and ”purchased a little temporary security“?

    Don't feel like the ass that you are for noting understanding Franklin's context because many extreme liberal Americans love to misquote that phrase also without having read or knowing there is more to his writing. I find your thinking that I would be the first for know what Franklin meant in ”essential liberty“, comical at best and woefully ignorant in of that phrases history in the least. So with that being said..........

    ”damn the torpedos, full said ahead“

    as long as ” I know not what the course others take, but give me liberty or give me death”

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  • Troy Tempest

    On the news this morning, the US has dramatically reduced its debt.

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  • Captain Poppy

    I only wish......but the June budget did have like a 135 billion surplus. It really means a smaller year end deficit.

    Troy, do you suppose A-voice will get back to me on the Franklin quote? I love when these turds mis-use information and partial information without ever know the whole story. Paul Harvey was a radio commentator here in the US. He had a show called...“The rest of the Story”.......He would take the headline blurb and explain the entire story, it was really a show. Stink should read the entire piece if he is going to quote a foreigner. It's even funnier that he thinks “essential liberties” in Franklin's letter was gray and that no one could really know what he meant. If he had only taken the time to read the letter to the governor, he would know....“the rest of the story”.


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  • DanyBerger

    @Captain & yankee bobos inc

    And what is your problem with that?

    You have to be concern about the shit that is going on in Amexica, you have a lot to be concern trust me after all is the place where you love to live and all is fantastic for you guys.

    I guess none is interest abut WTF is happening in Amexican so please don’t waste your time.

    The only Franklin I know was green before and now is turning grey.

    If you have any complain About Argentina please call free to “0800- No atiendo yankis Bobos” and ask for Timerman if he is available.

    Thank you...

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  • Captain Poppy

    Can I send you some flour or tomatos.....what would suit your needs more?

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  • Troy Tempest

    @76 Dany

    Golly, don't blow a seal !

    It's messy and they just get angry. :-)

    That was a little joke for you - just to lighten the mood, you seemed a little heated.

    What is making you so angry, Dany?
    Is everything ok at home.
    Is Mrs. Berger happy, and the little Bergers?

    Surely, it doesn't change things just to call us names and stomp your feet.
    What can we do to help?

    For a start, let's wipe your nose.
    Here's a tissue...

    Now, blow!!!

    Jul 13th, 2013 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Troy....sure does seem like dunny blew his load there. I think he thinks name calling is suppose yo upset people or something. He love to make some inane Mexico reference concatenated with the USA. I think he is one of the saddest Argentines I've come across. I am pleased to say I never met any like the ones on this site. Most are like Simon......pretty nice people. What's funny is that except for tobi, they all claim to live in the USA or Europe. He refuses to email me.....chicken shit he is.

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  • Troy Tempest

    Hi Captain;

    Yes, he shows a true Argentinian prejudice though, correct me if I'm wrong, but he hates Mexicans - they're “beneath him” it seems LOL

    I doubt he lives anywhere but Argentina - in fact, he has the same poor English , same passionate anger, and disdain for mexican tacos and burritos that “Sussie” does.

    Hmmmm... ??


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  • DanyBerger

    @Troy Tempest

    I’m not angry why I should be?

    I don’t hate Mexicans either I call USA Amexica because is turning into it where is the insult?

    Or do you have any doubt that in few years Captain Poopy will have a president called Juanito Jose Rodriguez Calderón born in Tijuana?

    Or that in Britain there are MPs called Mohammad?

    These are facts...

    So if you or your associates get upset for that, you have to ask yourself and them why. And not me...

    Do you get the idea?

    So now as I’m just curious. Why do you think that Amexica and Ukistan are insults for example if you are so happy with that?

    Any reasonable explanation will be welcome...

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  • GeoffWard2

    I see everybody's using the same Franklin google site that I normally use.

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  • Clyde15

    Population of Mexicans in USA - including illegals - as at 2013 is an estimated 11. 4 million.
    Total USA population is approx. 313 million.
    Hardly an overwhelming takeover as you are suggesting !

    “ will have a president called Juanito Jose Rodriguez Calderón born in Tijuana?”
    Just to be sure, I checked to see if Tijuana was still in Mexico - it was !
    From all that I have read, no foreign born US citizen can run for president unless an amendment is made to the US Constitution.
    Arnold Scwarzenegger was mooted for a presidential candidate before the legal aspects of this were brought out.
    So, unless you know something , and can site the details - you are wrong again - as usual.

    You seem to have a problem with Muslims in the UK. Why, I don't know. Probably deep racism on your part.
    If we have an MP with the name Mohammed, so what. To be elected, he would have needed non-muslim votes.
    I checked in the PEW forum on the number of Muslims in several countries.
    UK.............2,869,000 or 4.6%
    Germany...4,119,000 or 5.0%
    Argentina....1,000,000 or 2.5%
    So, they eat more kebabs in and wear more pyjamas in Germany than in the UK. With a name like Berger and dual nationality does this not alarm you ? How soon for a German named Mohammed to be voted in here?
    With a Muslim population in Argentina, you must have a good lot of kebab eaters and pyjama wearers also.
    It surely cannot be long before your peaceful and democratic republic votes in a Mohammed or as you have a matriarchal bent, Jasmine, with a nice black hajib..

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  • Captain Poppy

    Thanks Clyde.......dumburger reads on the internet about Americans, illegal immigration and makes these meaningless RG conclusions and supposes that “X” and “Y” ill upset American posters as me. His first problem was in thinking to begin with. He hates Mexicans to the point of trying to use them as an insult to Americans. He fails to understand while there may be many Americans that feel threatened by them, most could care less, most know that they are better than Argentines that they look for a better life and they work their asses off. dumburger is an angry perons either because:
    a- he wakaes everyday to the reality of being an argentine
    b-he wakes having escaped but still an argentine and no empanadas
    c-he wakes everyday being an argentine telling everyone he escapes but still lives in squalor.
    Either way he is a sad and pathetic soul.

    Geoff with regards to Franklin....he has a volumn of writings and apparently you too read them. Maybe you can answer thinks question that he feels is such a gray area, what he was talking about in “essential liberties” and “temporary purchased security”. I am will to bet you know whom he was talking to and about what. And I will wager you know how mis-used Elena and others used that quote without knowing the full meaning.

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  • Troy Tempest


    You assume that we, UK and US, have the same fears and are as deeply prejudiced as you, and tailor your insults accordingly.

    That's a simple explanation - even you should understand.

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  • Clyde15

    Correcting a typo should be Schwarzenneger - missed out the “h”.

    At the time of writing the post at #83, I was listening to Linda Ronstadt performing canciones di mon padre. I like Mexican music for its vibrancy and “corazon”.
    For some reason I attribute the voice of Speedy Gonzales to DB when I read his posts. It seems to make sense then.

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  • Troy Tempest


    When Herr Berger rants, I think of a populist leader addressing a crowd

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  • Captain Poppy

    Troy was that Juan Peron or early Nasty “Bug Eyed” Nestor?

    Clyde.....I am fond of latin music myself every since my merengue and salsa I have Elvis Crespo on my Ipod. lol

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  • GeoffWard2

    Poppy #84
    I am not sufficiently interested to research further the purple prose of Franklin.
    Though I am interested in the new sources that have been unearthed that Churchill used for preparing his great speeches.

    Jul 13th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Being that I am not British, I am hardly versed in Churchill's speeches. The only real comment that I can make on Churchill is that he was a balls to wall leader and knew how to kick a despot's ass. I think Maggie Thatcher was molded in his form also.
    As for Franklin, don't assume everyone needs a website to make a statement.......we're not all from SA.

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  • GeoffWard2

    I know the vast majority of Brits would need a website to acurately quote from Churchill's speeches.
    The answer could be that our teaching of history is much less chauvanistically partisan than is yours. We don't salute flags much.
    Teaching through propaganda is anathema - especially to those more traditional - the 'old English'. I think it probably disappeared with the sloughing off of empire in the 50s.
    As for the words of memory from a time gone by, there is the abiding Shakspeare.
    We leave philosopy to the French and Chinese ;-)

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  • DanyBerger


    Yeah! Sure and you believe that these numbers are realistic. Ho, ho, ho...

    You don’t need any fake statistic to know what is the truth just simple observation.

    These are typical streets in BA where are full of immigrant from neighbouring countries like Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, etc.



    So sure you have a problem to accept what is your reality and by denying that will not help.

    You have a very large population of people from Middle East that for some reason could not integrated into former British western value. Try them as if they are all terrorist would not help.

    From my point of view your hypocrisy and denial of your leaders of your new reality is causing ethnic tensions. Britain is not a western country like Argentina any more this is quiet easy for foreigner to see the problem is that you don’t understand that.

    Your leaders want to promote British values WTF are that? If most of your population come from somewhere in Middle East, Asia, Africa, etc.

    Will be easy to promote British Values in Africa than in UK on these days and you know that I’m not joking.

    For example you cannot be bombing muslim in middle east having so large population of them in Britain and pointing at them as potential terrorists.

    Do you get the idea?

    The same of course applies for mixed Amexica of course where speaking Spanish communities are a key fact to elect they president.

    So as I said again in the near future the new president of Amexica will be someone from Mexican or Cuban background no so difficult to figure out.
    In fact Mitt Romney comes from Mexican background all his relatives still live there.

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    So as I said again in the near future the new president of Amexica will be someone from Mexican or Cuban background no so difficult to figure out“
    What you said at #81 was as below
    .Or do you have any doubt that in few years Captain Poopy will have a president called Juanito Jose Rodriguez Calderón born in Tijuana?
    Nothing to do with background, you said BORN !!!!!!!!!!!!
    But again, you have never let facts get in the way of your opinion !!
    Yeah! Sure and you believe that these numbers are realistic. Ho, ho, ho...
    Of course, you have done independent research. youtube videos are used by statisticians worldwide. I could direct you to other youtube videos
    This is just as typical as your slanted view.
    By the way, London is not England or the UK. It is an international city.
    If the whole population of Mexico moved to the USA overnight, this would still not be more than about 35% of the USA's population. So, they would be in control ?
    I will leave this to an American to answer.

    Since when has Argentina been a western country ?
    You are Latin American. Nostrils despises the ”west” .
    Your own little clique of countries also do not regard themselves as western. They are proud to be South American.
    Here is another point to ponder. Muslims are followers of Mohammed's teachings . They are not an ethnic group.
    I notice you said nothing about Germany who have a larger Muslim population than the UK. No problems with them?
    Or Argentina's Muslims? Silly me, that would not fit into your master race rhetoric. Go and eat a kebab, you know you want to.!

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  • Captain Poppy

    geoff I believe you underestimate the Brits once again as in 1982.....and where did that leave you? I will tell you where that left you: with your ass on your balls and your head up your ass. You should never under estimate your enemy.
    As for history, in free countries anyone is allowed to teach their interpretation of history but history is generally accepted by the majority. Hell, the Japanese do no teach that they invaded Pearl Harbor and was the impetus of the USA entering WWII. Is that a lie, the Japanese invaded Pearl Harbor.........does Argentina take their path from them when it comes to teaching history?

    BTW Clyde....illegal Mexican immigration to the USA has slowed significantly in the past 5 years. Mexico is at a turning point and after 20 years of NAFTA, it is taking a hold and having a positive impact on Mexicans. dumburger can say all the Amexico or whatever his impotent insult are, but the fact remains he is impotent. Mexico is more tied to the USA than they are to SA and that kills SA trolls, that they do not want to be a marxist commie.
    dumburg can deflect all he wants to......but getting back tothe article at hand.....argentina denies the world information on how the iranians blow up the jewish building killing jews would only show how kirchner is hiding that fact and denying the jews justice. 20 years an no justice? Of course no....iran and argentina are partners.

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  • GeoffWard2

    Of course Mexico is more associated, both geographically and economically with the North; its not even Central American; it is definitively NORTH American.

    God only knows what the first para of #94 is about

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  • Troy Tempest

    “Your leaders want to promote British values WTF are that? If most of your population come from somewhere in Middle East, Asia, Africa, etc.”

    “most” of the population????

    Please show where you get your statistics to back that up.

    You are on a silly rant, Herr Hinkle.
    Angry angry angry - something is troubling you, what can it be?

    Cheap Malbec and computers do not mix.

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  • Captain Poppy

    Great come back geoff......not. Lost in translation when ESL is in effect. You do not teach through just change the Japanese.

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  • Clyde15

    A few videos taken at random from youtube

    Hardly the paradise you tell us about. Anyone can find videos to make their point.

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  • Captain Poppy

    Clyde he knows that which is why he alone keeps Utube in business. I've seen the villa 31 many time coming back form the Newbery airport. It is mind boggling. They tap right into the overheard power lines. Wires are everywhere. The highway there is an elevated overpass and those building butt right to the edge of the overhead road. Scary shit seeing.
    But yes dumburger knows that images are more powerful then words.

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  • DanyBerger

    @ Clyde15

    It is not “COMPLETE BALLOCKS” would you believed me if I have said time ago that the next president of Amexica would be black?

    Of course not. and? They got Obama.
    It is not hard to predict things like this...
    Anyway doesn’t matter the Amexican know what is the truth.

    I don’t need youtube to know how UK looks like I just use it to illustrate my posts as MP uses pics. You know?

    I use to live in England and I live in Argentina now so you cannot cheat me with homemade fake statistics.

    Sure you have been searching hardly like crazy to find any single street in Argentina with at least 2 turbans, 1 kebab and 3 pyjamas even in a shop to back your statistic. But you miserably fail because that could be really hard to find. So you have resorted to the typical villa 31 stuff that anyone denies that exist but that is just a spot of only 50 may be 70k people from other countries and still no kebabs there. You can find chipa there but no kebabs.

    And if you pay attention I always talk about kebabs, Pyjamas and turbans and not religion because only you associate this with religion. I guess you don’t need to practice any religion to eat kebabs and you? Or any person eating chips or fish automatically has to be English or Christian? Or any person eating beef is Argentine?

    “Since when has Argentina been a western country ?”

    Argentina always was a western country if you understand what that means.

    What is for you a western country or western civilisation?

    Because you seems to be a little bit lost in this...

    @ Troy Tempest

    I’m not angry and you?

    Have you ever heard about demography Professor Dr. Coleman (Oxford)?
    Ask him why he says that in the near future white people in UK including white foreigners will become a minority.

    May be your govt. statistics are cooked to keep your happy while multiculturalism takes over?

    @Captain Poppy
    I guess you need a trip to Bronx, Buffalo, Ontario to find your shanty towns.
    No need to expend $ in tickets to Argentina.

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  • Captain Poppy

    I was born in NYC....we have shit towns, more like tent what's your point ? That we have poverty? What a brilliant observation. Howver a lot less that RGturd and I would certainly not want to live on 7 pesos a day.
    Ahhhhhh but you are wrong again......I do have to go to Argentina.

    Oh dumburger......please O please show us your've disappointed us without supporting you cause of the USA a being taken over by Mexico (snicker) and we're all being served tacos........because I really take exception to then when I in fact prefer chilupa's.

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  • Clyde15

    #100 was obviously going to happen if the right man came forward as there is a good chance of a president with a Mexican connection and maybe Korean or any other nationality..
    Read my first post again !! You obviously have trouble comprehending English. You said BORN, I said ballocks to this complete untruth and you slide around it in your reply trying to infer that you meant Mexican or Cuban background.
    Western country, what a laugh ! You are South American as your politicians keep telling us. Are Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia western ? Is UNASUR western. Go away and try again.
    Did you leave Germany because of the number of Turks living there as you seem to have a particular dislike of anything middle eastern or Asian.
    Never mind, when populations start migrating, Argentina will be well up the list as it has plenty of land and could do with some productive workers.

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  • Captain Poppy

    BTW.......have to bust your nuts but Ontario is not the Unites States.......but of knew

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  • DanyBerger


    “Western country, what a laugh ! You are South American...”

    South America is a geographic region with is part of the America continent which is divided in sub continents North America (Canada, US, Mexico, for example), Central America (Panama, Guatemala, etc) and South America (Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, etc).

    From the geographic point of view all are western countries more than any European country in this sense because simple America is the west in this world.

    Then you have the culture factor because a country could be in the West (Geographically speaking) but can embrace not western values, culture, etc. commonly known as western civilisation.

    For example a country geographically in the west embracing Middle East, Asian, etc. culture you know... like Britain on these days.

    And what is the western civilisation?
    All civilisations that have been influenced by Rome, and which had exported to the rest of Europe these values.

    Govt. organisation, tax, toilettes, drains, alphabet, church, religion, parliament, democracy, army, etc, etc.

    Now if you have a nation with 97% of it population originally from Europe like Argentina what do you think? it is or not a western country?

    You seem to don’t understand the real problem facing Britain due to your brain washed.
    Britain has a huge part of its population from Middle East, Africa, etc. and your govt. lies with its fakes statistics and is more concern about few Romanians than the cultural clash having at home.

    May be this will help me to show you how bad things are going to be in Britanistan.

    @ Captain Poppy

    Idiot Ontario is in California US, and you claim to know everything about Argentina even that here there is not salt (That was really funny) and you don’t know your own country?

    Even has it own international airport. Ha ha

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  • Troy Tempest


    Western ???

    Which of these elements do you have, if any??

    “Govt. organisation, tax, toilettes, drains, alphabet, church, religion, parliament, democracy, army, etc, etc.”

    Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    God I miss when dumburger stays calm and cool. I am happy you not failed and provided your weekly utube. Try something independent unbiased Conspiracies “R” Us
    I know you come from a massively large country and as significant as they pimples on your ass(dumburgers central nervous system), but with over 30,000 town and I don't know them all but obvisouly you do. But yes I recognize it after you mention......sure does make me look foolish.....darn....out witted by the witless wonder. Now for my RG impersonation:

    STOP PICKING ON ME......all you are always picking me......wah wah wah.

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  • Clyde15

    From the geographic point of view all are western countries more than any European country in this sense because simple America is the west in this world.
    China and Japan are west of America so they are western as well?
    TTT in all his guises is vehement that Argentina has nothing to do with the west and has its own culture - not western.
    Now one of you two is telling porkies -you both can't be right.
    I think you will find that it was Greece that started western civilization and democracy long before Rome was thought of.
    You are the expert in the UK's problems by watching youtube ?
    I am sure you would be welcome in Parliament to give us your special insight gleaned from living in Argentina and harbouring an intense dislike of our country because it makes yours look like the dump it is. As for our politicians, by comparison they should get the Nobel prize for economics compared with the absolute clowns and crooks running your country!

    Slightly disappointed with no reference to kebabs. You seem to have a downer on the Turks, it's they who run most of the kebab houses along with the Cypriots. Your various “..stanis” run rather good restaurants serving varieties of cuisine from the Indian sub-continent.

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  • DanyBerger


    “China and Japan are west of America so they are western as well?”

    You have to ask that to the yanks here if they consider that China and Japan are in the west and so they are in the East.

    Here in Argentina still is the Far East and UKistan is in the North East geographically speaking and culturally just like another Ramadan day.

    As you said many things have been borrowed by the Romans from the Greeks, but who exported western civilisation to the west where the Romans with the Empire.

    That is the reason why you were considered in the past a western country because the little Italians civilised you. Remember that you were a province of the Roman Empire for around 500 years until you desire to move to the Middle East culturally speaking.

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  • Troy Tempest

    @108 Dany

    Shut up, you dimwit.

    Clyde was not seriously debating you. He was ridiculing your ridiculous postulations.


    Oh, regards to Mrs.Berger, she must still be unhappy.


    Jul 16th, 2013 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Sorry, Alba was not a province of the Roman Empire - study your history before you make unfounded statements.
    The Romans built a bloody big wall between the Solway and the Tyne to mark the outer limits of their Empire. But again, along with racist remarks, that is your stock - in- trade.
    The little Italians did come and settle here at the end of the 19th century. They brought us ice-cream and fish and chips and assimilated very well into the community. Thankfully, we did not get the Mafia, Argentina welcomed them.
    I was not aware of any great leaning towards the Middle East.
    I have not seen many Arabs around. Yes, the UK has a fair population of Pakistanis - a relic of Empire, also Indians and Sikhs. The majority of whom contribute to the economy of the country. But to say they rule the country is hyperbole cubed.

    To sum up, no matter what you say, you are not a western country - you have pretensions - but are still South American
    and are different in attitude to western nations.
    The USA and Canada are western. Find your own definition of your society.

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    You little misleader.......why do you mention Alba? because you live in Alba?...Are you referring to present day Alba?.......if you are then you are failing to mention the Antonine Wall built by the Romans from the Clyde to the Forth.
    If you are referring to old Alba then that would be the kingdom of the Picts and you are more Dalriadic!......Cowal.
    Either way the Picts were in Strathclyde and Galloway therefore the Romans did indeed rule parts of Alba!.......just saying.
    Big sign on the 74 just before Gretna.......“Fàilte gu Alba” and its probably about 90 miles south of the Antonine wall.......Haha it used to say a hundred thousand welcomes till all the Eastern Europeans start coming over......can't think of any other reason it changed.

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Clyde.....which is the all know and great......OZ!

    “Where men are the most sure and arrogant, they are commonly the most mistaken, and have there given reins to passion, without that proper deliberation and suspense, which can alone secure them from the grossest absurdities.”

    David Hume

    In combat, nothing is as great as an arrogant enemy. Argentina put their arrogance on world wide display

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Are you still sore at me?
    I could be your translator....
    ..........“Clyde.....which is the all know and great......OZ!”
    ..........“Clyde.....Watch it! is the all knowing and great......OZ!”
    How's that?......“Gis' a job!....I can do that!”

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    The question is, was the whole of the British Isles a province of the Roman Empire. The answer is NO !
    Any more details would have confused DB.
    If we want to nit-pick, I should have used the term Caledonia. Yes. I do know about the Antonine wall as I used to go up Boclair avenue in Bearsden quite regularly.
    The “wall” marked the limit of Roman expansion for a generation but was abandoned in AD160 when they moved back to Hadrian's wall .
    Yes I also know that the Romans established camps near Perth and reached the Moray Firth but they were military incursions, not permanent settlements.
    To quote Dany:-
    “Remember that you were a province of the Roman Empire for around 500 years”
    Do you still stand by this factually incorrect statement - if so, please supply chapter and verse or have the guts to withdraw it.
    The above site may help you - I believe they are the recognised authority on this subject - not Mr.D.B.

    To quote Burns “Facts are chiels that winna ding ”
    The translation will come up if you Google it - you should be able to manage this simple task !

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Haha are you trying to teach me to suck eggs?
    you have been looking at the facts.......I didn't need to.....obviously noticing your errors and attempts to infer that Scotland had never been under the yoke of the cut your backtracking crap and just admit to the guy that at least half of Scotland was under control for at least a generation

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Why would I try to teach anyone to suck eggs. I have never used this peculiar method -poached, fried or boiled yes.
    I could give you info. on how to do this.
    How lucky we are to have a resident genius on this forum.
    You don't need to look at the facts. Do you just absorb them by osmosis.? I am not so lucky, I need to see them either from a reliable source or from someone who knows.
    Lets backtrack to what DB said.
    “Remember that you were a province of the Roman Empire for around 500 years”
    He did not say part of what is now the UK, he meant ALL of the UK. Do you agree this is what he meant ?
    You said..... “At least half of Scotland was under Roman control for at least a generation”
    You made a pedantic point about Alba, I can be equally pedantic about Scotland.. Was there a country called this in Roman times ? You also say at least half of Scotland. If the Antonine wall was the limit of the Roman Empire then there is a much larger chunk of what is now Scotland to the North that was outside Roman control.
    DB quoted a time scale of 500 years - somewhat longer than a you agree that this is correct ? 80 years would be a generous interpretation for the occupation between the Antonine and Hadrian's wall.
    I am not back tracking, you are trying your best to back up your Argie mate with half truths.
    By the way, why all this HA HA business. That is a definite Argie trait and rather childish.
    Now 2135 BST and I have better things to do than waste my time with you. Good night if you have not left the building.

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    it's called memory old man and your clock is wrong it's 21:35 GMT Now!

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Sore at you for your arrogance in thinking you are right?

    Ever find those references that you claim came from 1736? Didn't think so. The best you could do was change the subject to Lady

    You arrogance is so bad, you had to have been fighting the British in 82.

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Hey Pops you still don't get it..........there were no references from 1736.......but it didn't stop you searching for them.........are we there yet? ;-)
    Before you jump on me I meant to type BST not GMT.......but your clock is still wrong!

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I searched for nothing other than Yale Library, but you assume and surmise so much....please continue. All Argentine's your great leaders on that fateful day they invaded Britain in the spring 1982.
    Did you work up the balls to email me at, or did you do as all RGs and capitulate and back away and tuck your balls in your ass to protect them? I probably would cower from emailing me if I were you big deal, your argentine.

    Jul 17th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    I love the unsubstantial of Mr. Clyde15’s statements.

    When is convenient to him like he had explained before his is brother and have relatives in England.
    We love English, we prefer English, we were part of the empire, bla, bla, bla.

    Now I don’t know why he is moving far, far, far away from the English to Scotland and just in the part where the Romans never touched his grass.

    Let’s say his home in I don’t where the WTF he lives.

    Then claim that US is in the East because the Japanese and Chinese are in the west of USAMEX.

    Now keep saying that Argentina is not a western country but his little insignificant Scotland is but never a Roman have ever touched her.

    Now can you explain me how you are a westerner if you ever have been influenced and Romanised by Rome?

    Why you speak a Latinised language like English and use the same alphabet like the rest of Britain and not use Gaelic instead?

    You are more Latino than Il Cavaliere Bernusconi on steroids in Miami Beach.

    “You made a pedantic point about Alba”

    Are you sure is “Alba” and not “Albania” close to Kosovo?

    I can see some similarity here...

    What next?

    Africa is not Africa and Australia is a federal republic?

    Jul 17th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Crying Dany

    What the fcuk is your point?

    What are you trying to say.

    Does it have ANY relevance at all, or are you just frustrated angry.
    You seem to be doing nothing but trying to insult us.

    Guess what, it's your problem, and your issues.

    Your Predident is selling you down the toilet to impress who, Maduro the impotent dictator??!

    Jul 17th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I am not jumping on YOU. My diatribe was for Mr.D.B. who continually posts half truths without the sense to check out his facts.
    OK my clock is about 5 mins. fast. Thank you for pointing this out.

    You have lost the place here ....big time.
    I will number your sentences in 1-14
    1) I am glad you liked them. I am always available to help the ignorant.

    2) Your second paragraph isn't in understandable English which is a prerequisite to posting here.

    3) My brother does not live in England - he lives in Edinburgh.
    He flew Shackletons in the RAF and was based briefly in England at St. Mawgan. The rest of his 12 year service was spent in RAF Kinloss, RAF Aldergrove, RAF Ballykelly and finally at RAF North Front in Gibraltar
    My son works for the RAF museum in England and his wife is English.
    My son-in-law was born in Wolverhampton but brought up in Scotland where he works as a consultant surgeon in an Edinburgh hospital.
    My daughter is a Senior Management Officer for Historic Scotland. They are responsible to the Scottish Government for all matters relating to Scotland's historical heritage.
    Why would I possibly believe her expertise over yours. Hmm,
    I wonder !
    My sister retired to live in Plymouth
    I have only worked in England for about 6 months in 1961.
    The rest of the time I worked in Glasgow and district and then moved ( was posted ) to Ayr in 1971 where I have been ever since.
    I never said the Romans never touched Scottish grass.
    Go back and read my original post.
    I said the Roman frontier was at Hadrian's wall apart from a relatively brief spell when it was at the Antonine wall.
    You are still a S/American --ask TTT.
    USAMEX ? Never heard of it.
    English and Lallans come from the same Germanic route - Old English. English is not a romance language.. We did this to death last year
    Ask A-Voice to explain the difference between Alba and Albania. Albania is next to Italy and near your bolt-hole, Germany.
    Try posting FACTS next time !!!!

    Jul 17th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Dumburger is a joke. He hates that I picked up his other ID and called Obama a commie and he was a liar pretending to be an American so he had me I love it that I made him that upset!!

    Jul 17th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I ran out of space at #123.
    As to the definition of the west, this is as good as any
    South America has gone its own way and why not.

    Jul 17th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    You are confuse...
    More than 70% of the English vocabulary comes from Latin Language direct or indirect and the rest quiet debatable.

    Lallans, ha ha ha

    Lets see some words of you dialect based Germanic rooted from the “low lands” AKA “Lallans”.

    Journal= Latin diurnalis, borrowed by the French from latin, “Diario” in Spanish (can you see the connection oops another Latin word)
    Associe= Latin societs, societa borrowed by the French Société
    Lange/st= Latin Lungo, largo in Spanish, long or longest in English OE lang.
    Page/s= Latin pagina, página in spanish, page in English, pagine French.
    Politic/s= Latin Politicus, Pólitico in Spanish
    Information= Latin Informem, Informare, in Spanish Información, Italian Informazioni

    Well I can be the whole day posting words from your “Lallans proto German language” not containing one word from German. Because mostly comes from Latin.

    And the Scottish are cousins of the Northern Spanish better known as “Gallegos” here, Celtic origin that spoke Gaelic like the Irish what also are Scottish relatives.

    So my dog is more German than your language and is a “Chiguagua” from Mexico.

    Western world, ah! good explanation but wrong.
    The western world is another thing is not a political party as you described you are or you are not that simple.

    And Agie Pope would give you a good map of that.

    May be you will archive a to have a Great Ayatollah from Britain if your try harder because none is considering you part of the western world anymore.

    Shariah law coming from you soon

    Jul 18th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Be careful CLyde....the “all knowing” has spoken........he has utube to prove it. Does anyone ever follow his utube posts?

    Jul 18th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Captain Poppy

    No need to follow any utube link if you wouldn’t be so superficial and would not try to learn history and facts from CNN in Español, Fox and SkyNews.
    Ha ha

    Jul 18th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Latin roots?. The grammar and basic vocabulary comes from an old Germanic source, English is a Germanic language, having a grammar and core vocabulary inherited from Proto-Germanic as does Old Scots or Lallans.. Father, mother, brother, sister, eat, drink, sleep, have, etc etc. OK get the Latin based words from this below.
    A Guid New-year I wish thee, Maggie!
    Hae, there's a ripp to thy auld baggie:
    Tho' thou's howe-backit now, an' knaggie,
    I've seen the day
    Thou could hae gaen like ony staggie,
    Out-owre the lay.

    Tho' now thou's dowie, stiff, an' crazy,
    An' thy auld hide as white's a daisie,
    I've seen thee dappl't, sleek an' glaizie,
    A bonie gray:
    He should been tight that daur't to raize thee,
    Ance in a day.

    Thou ance was i' the foremost rank,
    A filly buirdly, steeve, an' swank;
    An' set weel down a shapely shank,
    As e'er tread yird;
    An' could hae flown out-owre a stank,
    Like ony bird.

    It's now some nine-an'-twenty year,
    Sin' thou was my guid-father's mear;
    He gied me thee, o' tocher clear,
    An' fifty mark;
    Tho' it was sma', 'twas weel-won gear,
    An' thou was stark.

    When first I gaed to woo my Jenny,
    Ye then was trotting wi' your minnie:
    Tho' ye was trickie, slee, an' funnie,
    Ye ne'er was donsie;
    But hamely, tawie, quiet, an' cannie,
    An' unco sonsie.

    From the poet Lallans.
    Of course we have some Galician blood as well as Norse , French, German, Danish, Belgium etc. So ? A little known fact, Britain was joined to Europe before the sea level rose....we must gave come from somewhere although recent research suggests an eastern movement as well as southern.
    You have a runt of a dog....explains a lot !! An Agie pope?
    You are still not a western country, but S.American like Bolivia, Venezuela and Ecuador. Talking of Ayatollahs, how is your new chum Iran. Their Ayatollahs will be visiting you of luck !

    Jul 18th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Is it breed into you as a multi breed to make unsupportable statement solely for rhetoric? Stick with Utube, it fits your persona and savant.

    Jul 18th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Well I don't really like to muddy the waters...........what am I saying.........of course I do!
    What else was there?......ah yes
    Greenwich is at o degrees longitude everything Westwards is West for 180 degrees and the same East till you get to about the Chatham Islands then it's West again.
    Never really thought about it but I suppose New Zealand must be a whole days time difference from it's Islands.
    So SA is in the West........but not classed as a Western culture but the link to the WEOG muddies the definition even more as I would have thought the USA was the epitome of Western culture, but is not part of the the WEOG, apart from being an for me not really a great definition.
    Hey Cap Pops have you forgiven me yet?

    Jul 18th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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