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Argentina refuses to inform Paraguay on a nuclear reactor it is planning along the border

Tuesday, July 23rd 2013 - 08:06 UTC
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The administration of President Cristina Fernandez rejected a request from Paraguay on the nuclear plant, and area of influence, Argentina plans to build in the neighbouring province of Formosa. The situation was exposed by Paraguayan lawmaker Olga Ferreira de Lopez who called the Argentine president a ‘perverse woman’. Read full article

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  • Britworker

    “Here we are in the door of an imminent latent danger and this perverse woman ignores the concerns of a whole nation and then preaches about unity and respect among peoples. I strongly repudiate this woman abusive of human rights”, said Olga Ferreira de Lopez.

    Haha, brilliant. The truth comes out when the stupid bitch does something to upset a 'brother south american nation'.

    So what have we had so far?

    “Old hag”
    “Perverse Woman”

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    South American unity.

    Just another example of 'we love Argieland, not'.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toxictaxitrader2

    Let us not forget that the Argentine state of Formosa was once part of Paraguay,forcibly wrenched from them in 1870,glasshouses and stones come to mind.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    #3

    California, the 'Mexican Cession', the Texas Annexation, etc, (1836-48)
    all show that the more powerful win against the less powerful owners of the territories.

    At least Argentina, Brasil and Uruguay had the excuse that Paraguay attacked them first.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Sellafield - objections by Irish, Manx and Norwegian governments ignored. glasshouses and stones.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Yes, Argentina, give back the the land that you stole from Paraguay in 1870.
    You violated Paraguay's “territorial integrity”.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toxictaxitrader2

    @GeoffWard2
    You are right of course Geoff,but I have seen no evidence that a group of islands 300+ miles from Patagonia(which in the 1830,s was not part Argentina,not that
    Argentina existed at that time!)was then nor ever could be part of Argentina,s
    “territorial integrity”

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    How odd, I think Paraguay should shut off the electricity to Arg until they get all the info they want plus the back payments owed.

    Now would be the perfect time

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Hmm Argie-built reactors have a tendency to malfunction too... Popcorn at the ready for when the radioactive mutant zombies advance on the Casa Rosada.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    For a supposedly peaceful people opposed to the nuclearisation of the region, Argentina seems to be building up quite a large supply of fissionable material.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @5 Except that the ”Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland and An Garda Síochána (Irish Police Force) are now allowed access to the site“. And the ”Irish and Manx governments have collaborated on this issue, and brought it to the attention of the British-Irish Council.” Bit different to refusing any information. Why DO you lie? Never mind, Paraguay, do what Israel does. Bomb it!

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    CFK stopped delivery of gas to mfgs and the cng for cars.
    I can smell the grid frying from here, thos electric heaters are very inefficient.
    Maybe people can sit home and eat pizza, oh wait no flour for the dough, tomatoes for the sauce and now they can't cook it
    bahahahaha

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    ...and Yankeeboy, nothing to wipe bum with! Still there are always those Peso notes :-)

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-33-uk

    'Kelpers celebrated the arrival of the son of William and Kate and agreed from Argentina'
    http://www.diarioveloz.com/notas/99941-kelpers-festejaron-la-llegada-del-hijo-guillermo-y-kate-y-se-acordaron-argentina

    'Gibraltar calls for increased Royal Navy presence'
    http://www.diarioveloz.com/notas/99941-kelpers-festejaron-la-llegada-del-hijo-guillermo-y-kate-y-se-acordaron-argentina

    'ON JULY 23, 1892 - This happened in our region: Anglicans ask for restitution of the peninsula of Ushuaia'
    http://www.diarioveloz.com/notas/99941-kelpers-festejaron-la-llegada-del-hijo-guillermo-y-kate-y-se-acordaron-argentina

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mr Ed

    @ 9 Popcorn? It has already happened, she won an election, twice.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JuanGabriel

    I don't think Paraguay has much to be worried about to be honest Argentina can 'plan' a lot of things at the moment. I very much doubt they have enough money to actually carry out these plans.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    @11 conqueror - why do I lie ?? .... lie?

    I can't seem to find anything on London consulting with any of the mentioned countries.
    That certain agreements were reached post-construction does not constitute me lying.

    Of course anyone disagreeing with you must be lying. Naturally.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Perhaps Paraguay will allow NATO to set up a base on their territory. Argentina won't mind, I mean it would be none of their business even if BA came within range.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    I wonder what preportion of the remaining Amerindian population of 'Argentina' would be affected when this thing melts down (assuming threy get it built in the first place)?

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Presumably CFK will build this reactor on Qom ancestral land!!!!!!

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    I will list all the hypocrisies thus far, as you guys seem bent on beating the world record of hypocrisies within 12 hours:

    -1. Uruguay had no duty to inform Argentina about Botnia, but now Argentina has a duty to inform Paraguay over this.

    -2. The USA must not return California and Arizona to Mexico, but Argentina must return Formosa and Chaco.

    -3. Because other countries disagree with Argentina there is no SA unity, but when the whole of Europe disagrees with the UK it is not a sign of disunity.

    -4. Paraguay should shut off power to ARG, (and not go broke), but China can't shut off the credit card to the USA (without going broke).

    -5. Argie reactors melt down (never happened), but Three Mile island, Fukushima, and the French reactor just some months ago were “controled first world experiments”.

    -6. Argentina is a violator of human rights by testing fissile material on Qom land, but the Americans are champions of the donwtrodden by testing nukes in Navajo ancestral land.

    -7. Argentina has no money to spend, but the UK runs a surplus budget and can throw money to the heavens.

    I think the record for hypocrisies is 16. You are ten away from the record and have 5 hours left. You can do it Hyps!

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I was going to comment on the lamentable construction standards applied by The Dark Country to their reactors but instead a lighter note:

    Please look at the photograph and imagine what TMBOA is saying:

    “As long as it is not bigger than this, I can get it into my mouth”

    I wonder what she can be talking about. :o)

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    First of all, Formosa and Chaco have never been officially part of Paraguay. These were provinces (actually they were not provinces at that time) under dispute since both Argentina and Paraguay belonged to the very same political union (Virreinato del Rio de La Plata). In addition Argentina refused to recognize Paraguayan independence while Paraguay did not recognize Argentina.

    The Triple Alianza war was held by four countries, on the one side were Brazil, Uruguay and Argntina, that were democracies while. on the other side was Paraguay ruled by a cruel dictatorship who even performed massive executions.agaisnt his own people and even his own family. In addition Solano Lima inherited the Presidency as if he were a King. He was clearly a bloody dictator.

    UK, helped both contenders, the Triple Alianza and Paraguay, with loans and weapons.

    The war started when Paraguay invaded part of the Argentine territory (territory that was not under dispute) in its path to attack Uruguay. So, the war was clearly started by Solano Lima but he expected that Argetina won't take part in the war.

    Argentina has not funds to start a new nuclear project currently. In fact, Atucha II is not finished yet. Anyway, the Argentine program is one of the most safe in the World since not a single incident ever happened.

    CFK should inform Paraguay about the planned new plant but there are an economic issue because Paraguay provides Argentina with electricity so any Argentine investment to increase its production will alway be questioned by Paraguay as a way of protect their income.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Argentina refuses to inform Paraguay on a nuclear reactor,

    Yep,
    And this same evil hypercrit demands a nuclear Atlantic..

    Still,
    If it goes bang, better it comes from them, is it not lol.

    .

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    “UK, helped both contenders, the Triple Alianza and Paraguay, with loans and weapons.”

    You are not suggesting the UK played both sides to make money in a war, right? That would NEVER happen.

    According to British “history” books, only Argentina would do that, like in WWII.

    Btw, they just banned an apparently very famous US sports player for drugs and doping.

    I wonder if the USA has ever one anything in sport with clean athletes... I really doubt it.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    25. I saw CFK banned the sale of CNG.
    Means she has to import even more nafta
    I hope it lasts 3 weeks
    I can smell the grid burning from here.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Didn't the USA let some 200 people die a few years back in the middle of your economic meltdown because they could not swallow their pride and allow Venezuela to supply fuel to the poor?

    How nice.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    not suggesting anything. I'm just saying. At that time Solano Lopez get plenty of militar assistance from european countries such as the UK and Germany. An from the US too.

    But as the Triple Alianza has the best chances to win the war plenty of private credit loans were awarded to both, Argentina and Brazil.

    The war was territorially more beneficial for Brazil but it was economically for Argentina since it supplied the Brazilian army with food. As a result the Argentina developed its livestock industry and it became a great food exporter. It was a terrible war for Paraguay who suffered large number of loses.

    No matter this revisionists want to show the war as a kind of criminal action from lead by liberal politicians (Mitre and Sarmiento were the Argentine presidents) to crush a national and popular government (Solano Lopez). Typical peronist and fascists delusions......

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    Argentina wants to go nuclear!! ummm

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    No one trust British/American history. They only care about making themselves look good, as the superheroes of each chapter, and contain nothing but self-preening.

    I know the antis will now come back with “argie history this and that”, but they never can bring themselves to acknowledge that their history was fully revisionist.

    For gawd's sake, even the most important even in USA colonial history was completely a lie, that the Day of Thanks was a celebration of the Indians and the English for the food, when in reality it was the ENGLISH CELEBRATING THAT THEY HAD TAKEN THE LAND FROM THE INDIANS!!!!

    And that's supposed to be a big protestant holiday. As I always say, Bizarre morals up there.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    themselves look good, as the superheroes [seems ok lol.]

    ENGLISH CELEBRATING THAT THEY HAD TAKEN THE LAND FROM THE INDIANS
    tut tut , tuterly tut,

    and the spannish did what to the natives of Argentina,
    oh we know, sat them down and had a nice cuppa,
    ooooo those nasty brits lol.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    That's why I call you “Europeans” Briton. Even the peaceful Dutch did nasty nasties to the Indians in their caribbean islands.

    Europeans just don't admit they did wrong.

    And as Anglotino points out, the people are responsible for the actions of their government, so you can't say “it wasn't us, it was those that left for the Americas”.

    It was your government that sponsored many of those enterprises and certainly backed any private ones with tax-payer MILITARY.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    British, not euros thanks,

    and you are right people are responsible for the actions of their government, so you can't say , it was not you that invaded the falklands then..

    besides , if we are going to blame the past, then i blame the ROMANS its all there fault, lol.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    if we are going to blame the past, then i blame the ROMANS its all there fault...ha ha ha !!!

    You are right, I read that some antropologist found in northerm Argentina the burial site of some indians that fought and were killed trying to stop the inca invasion.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    these argis want to blame everybody else,

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Argentina was the first nation that tried to protect the indians from other indians.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    i doubt that,

    unless you can prove differently,

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    I don't need to prove facts, this is not the UK where you are guilty until proven innocent or where those that say the truth have to prove a liar isn't lying.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yes tobi.....so much pretection that the Qom's have turned to the Argentine Pope with hopes he can help them from the abuse to the kirchner government:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/06/24/francis-will-meet-indigenous-leaders-abused-and-persecuted-in-northern-argentina

    “Díaz has been refused meetings with President Cristina Fernández despite repeated requests and camping outside Government House in Plaza de Mayo.”

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140134/Mount-Rushmore-list-sacred-land-UN-says-returned-Native-Americans.html

    USA ignoring the UN and violating Indian rights, all in one fell swoop.

    Not Argentina, the USA>

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Gosh if I hadn't actually lived there and only read Toby's posts I would think that Rg were the most loving, caring and generous people in the world.

    Unfortunately I did live there and they are the complete opposite.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    I simply cannot accept that all Argies are stupid, supercilious, Fuds. There has to be some reasonably intelligent ones......surely?

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    42. I've come to the conclusion that over the last 100 years, if you are smart, honest and hardworking you immigrated to another country since you can't succeed in Argentina being any one or all 3 of those descriptors.
    So every generation the dumb, lazy and corrupt are what is left to breed so that every generation gets dumber, lazier and more corrupt.
    And this is where they are now...
    The fastest country moving down teh GDP scale, the most unproductive in South America ( world maybe) and one of the most corrupt in the world.
    Every year, year in and year out they get poorer, dumber and more corrupt.
    All the charts are pointing negative
    so it will only get worse

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @36

    How they do that then?

    Oh I know, by killing Indians.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    21 The Truth PaTroll '-5. Argie reactors melt down (never happened), '

    Ha! Three months after start up the one you flogged to Australia had to be shut for ten months while they redesigned it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-pool_Australian_lightwater_reactor
    Maybe the reason RGland has a balance of payments problem is that they don't manufacture anything that is actually of saleable quality.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    How long do you think Dow, GM and Ford will stick around without a steady supply of energy and the ability to send profits home?

    My guess is not too much longer.

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troneas

    @45.

    you forgot to mention that:

    “The OPAL reactor already has received seven awards in Australia.”

    and

    “To solve the dilution problem, further pressure testing is required followed by approval of the INVAP-recommended remedy by ANSTO, and if necessary by ARPANSA. Whilst the dilution issue does not affect safety or operation, if left un-repaired it would ultimately affect the performance of the reactor.”

    ”“Given that this problem has only affected those elements which had been in the reactor for the shortest period of time, it is expected that, subject to safety assessments and regulatory approvals, new fuel elements can be utilised to enable operation to recommence.”

    http://www.ansto.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/16201/Reactor_shutdown.pdf

    there was never any risk of a meltdown; and the australians consulted with the INVAP a solution to their problem.

    try again?

    Jul 23rd, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    “Today, whatever money they have budgeted, it runs out in two months,” Oscar Gomez said, citing inflation and the parallel exchange rate, among other factors. “Everything's working against Argentina. There's no investment today because there's nothing in it for anybody.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/13/us-argentina-economy-insight-idUSBRE95C04T20130613

    And they THINK they are going to build a reactor? Go back to sleep Paraguay, it was nothing.

    Jul 24th, 2013 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @23 pgerman: Very well explained this story to our British friends.
    @12 yankeeboy: You made me laugh. Humor if, aggression not. good.

    I think it would be better to use clean energy are not dangerous as an alternative, in addition to not jeopardize the magnificent biodiversity of Formosa.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxrQ-ab2JvQ

    Jul 24th, 2013 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    IMF was told by the USA and UK to keep their mouth shut.
    Not a surprise
    I figured that would happen
    Arg is going to lose
    default
    depreciate the peso
    then
    hyperinflation
    can it get any better?

    Jul 24th, 2013 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • True Blue

    @29:
    Argentina is already nuclear. It is where Australia imports its fuel rods and reprocessing services from. Please do try and keep up!

    Jul 24th, 2013 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Paraguay I wouldn't worry.

    First Argentina is broke. They don't have the money to build nothing and can't borrow the money either. And who would run the risk of investing when nationalisation is the name of the game.

    Secondly they build dodgy reactors as Australia unfortunately found out; more so now considering their recent lack of investment in education, infrastructure and manufacturing.

    Argentina has faded glory. It's best days are far behind it or a longtime in the future. But definitely not now.

    Jul 24th, 2013 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    47 Troneas

    You really don't understand the IMPLICATIONS for the design balls-up do you.

    The Dark Country, supposedly “experts” in non-power nuclear reactor design, how come they fucked up by underestimating the cooling water pressure on and IN the fuel cages, FFS! Try reading the actual scientific papers on the cock-up if you can understand them. Relying on a pressed knock out tab to stop everything flowing in the direction of the cooling water was a schoolboy error. No professional engineer would even consider it.

    Can you imagine ANY future potential customer is going to overlook this basic error, one which NEEDED the Australians to find it AND help in the redesign to make it safe, is going to actually BUY this shit do you? North Korea perhaps, but nobody with a brain.

    Get real and stop posting crap.

    Jul 24th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Yep the Argie blooger has spoken 47 Troneas

    its all out fault, we are the bad guys,
    and they are the good peacefull loverble honest trustworthy.
    gulp..lol.

    Jul 24th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    I wonder if when she called Cristina “perverse”, this Olga was following her leader Cartes who sees gays as such an abomination he would rather shoot off his own balls than accept a gay son. Not that she's calling Cristina gay of course; just that she's a progressive is bad enough for these regressive mindsets. In the context of a recent clash of personalities on this subject in Africa, we can say that Cristina is Desmond Tutu and Paraguay is Robert Mugabe! To me its the hard right, isolationist Paraguay regime that's perverse, it should stop being a coup ridden catspaw of reaction and then it will surely be consulted by its neighbours on these kind of things; seems a bit rich for it to complain about individual cases given the context of the breakdown of relations...

    Aug 01st, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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