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Aerolineas Argentinas announces daily flights to New York after five years of absence

Thursday, July 25th 2013 - 02:25 UTC
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Argentina’s state-run airline and flag carrier Aerolíneas Argentinas announced this week it will resume its direct flights to New York that were terminated five years ago. On December 15, the company will be offering a daily flight from Ezeiza airport to New York’s John F. Kennedy airport. Read full article

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  • Be serious

    The vulture funds might be interested in these Argyland state owned assets as they land on US soil.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    1
    Really?

    Who would buy them?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Turkey always likes a bit of scrap.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    No doubt the aircraft are leased and are actually registered in some offshore domain. If so, they will be untouchable!

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Those 330-200's suck for that long flight. Any rate, they do own their own fleet, but they must be leased coming into the USA, they can't be that stupid......or can they?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JuanGabriel

    Of course they are leased.

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130619005474/en/Aerol%C3%ADneas-Argentinas-Agrees-Lease-Airbus-A330-200s-ILFC

    If reports are correct they bought 2 737-700s but all their other aircraft are leased.

    Anyway pretty much every airline in the world has leased aircraft, maybe not in the same ratio but it makes better business sense to have some of the fleet leased.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    JFK should make sure that all fuel is paid for up front

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    KFC is running out of Botox and crack filler, and Gollum is always dribbling on his shirts, they can't use Tango to visit NYC to stock up, hence the flights in leased aircraft. Question is, who is going to give them a fuel account?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    Are they still making losses of $3 million a day ?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    Not the worst but def you would think twice before flying with this airline

    http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/aero_arg.htm

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I heard they were about to lose landing right in the USA to poor equipment maintenance.
    I wouldn't fly Aerolineas for any reason.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Is this resumption just for the prestige? So BsAs can have a flight into the world's most premier city?

    Aerolineas doesn't make money. And with decisions like this it isn't surprising. It would have been better to fly in and out of Bogotá and used itas a hub to spoke out to several northern destinations. I think El Dorado is the largest airfield in South America and the airport is undergoing a massive expansion and modernisation.

    Aerolineas has flights out of Sydney that are extremely cheap but I still haven't decided to fly via BsAs or instead go via LAX when I visit Colombia next year.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Doesn't Aerolineas have the oldest long haul fight fleet in the world?
    Gads what happened to all the U$ thrown down that rat hole?

    The apathy and stupidity of Rgs to allow this to go on for years/decades is sickening.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @12. JFK is their skyteam partner's hub (Delta). Bogata, not so much. From JFK a passenger can jump to lots of northern hemisphere, esp european, major cities using skyteam codeshares and landing at their other major airport in Atlanta is just.... Ugh... And JFK has more glamour as a destination anyway even if Atlanta didn't suck.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Austral

    @12 Fly Qantas direct to Santiago then up on LAN. LAN also fly the route but you need to stop in Auckland. I've done it and it's a great flight. Probably quicker than via LAX?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I suppose they still have the right to use the slots then?

    And has the FAA been told of this?

    Anybody who flies with this outfit must either be desperate or insane.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    #11Bullsht ....cynical attempt to tar their name

    As for the Boeing Dreamliner ....or nitemareliner.
    Now theres a dodgy aircraft.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #17 and yet why are they still being purchased and no order cancellations? Do you know the difference between lack of maintenance and a new jet rollout?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Why would anyone go to New York anyway? Wholly overrated just like Paris, Rome, and London.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @17 Why is it a “cynical attempt to tar their name”? All yankeeboy has said is that he wouldn't get on one of their aircraft. Isn't that his “democratic” right? As it happens, Aerolineas has a pretty good safety record. Although it has to be asked how many of its aircraft actually get off the ground? Answer this. If an airline has 100 flights and has 1 “accident”, is it “better” than an airline that has 100,000 flights and has 10 “accidents”. Book me on the airline with 1 “accident” per 10,000 flights.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Does Europe use “argie” trains too?

    FRANCE — July 12, 2013: SIX people are killed and nearly 200 injured just south of Paris when four cars slide off the tracks as a passenger train speeds through the small French town of Bretigny-sur-Orge.

    NETHERLANDS — April 22, 2012: ONE woman dies of injuries a day after two trains collide head-on in Amsterdam. At least 16 people are seriously injured.

    GERMANY — April 13, 2012: THREE people are killed and 13 injured in a train crash near Frankfurt when two trains collide and derail.

    POLAND — March 3, 2012: Two trains collide head-on in southern Poland, killing at least EIGHT people and injuring around 50.

    GERMANY — Jan. 30, 2011: A head-on collision between a cargo train and a passenger train kills at least TEN people and injures 23 near the eastern German village of Hordorf.

    GREECE — Dec. 9, 2010: ONE person is killed and two others are injured after a train derailed in southern Greece between the southern cities of Argos and Tripoli.

    ITALY — Aug. 6, 2010: A train derails in southern Italy, killing ONE passenger and leaving about 30 injured on the outskirts of Naples, its destination.

    SWITZERLAND — July 23, 2010: Switzerland’s popular Glacier Express tourist train derails in the Alps, killing ONE person and injuring 42 on its spectacular journey between Zermatt and St. Moritz.

    BELGIUM — Feb. 15, 2010: A train wreck in Buizingen, Belgium, kills EIGHTEEN people and injures 55.

    ITALY — July 1, 2009: THIRTY-TWO people are killed and 26 injured when a train carrying liquefied gas derails and explodes while traveling through a downtown neighborhood in the Tuscan seaside town of Viareggio.

    HUNGARY — Oct. 6, 2008: A local passenger train runs into the back of a long-distance train near Budapest, Hungary, killing FOUR people and injuring 26.

    TODAY? 80 dead, SPAIN.

    Europe? laughing of argie trains?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    @21
    another pathetic troll post post - you just can't keep on topic

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Wasn't the topic transportation safety? Or is it suddendly “inconvenient” to further discuss it?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Why would any go to NYC, PARIS, ROME or LONDON?

    What a dweeb.
    You've never left your slum how would you know they're over rated?
    What a ridiculously idiotic comment.

    Sometimes I forget what a f'cking idiot you really are...

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    “All yankeeboy has said is that he wouldn't get on one of their aircraft. Isn't that his “democratic” right?”

    I guess I don't have democratic rights. Fits right in with the Euro-Northam world view. We have rights, but you can't.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Yeah it's your right NOT to go but that is not what you said now is it?

    What the heck do they teach in that worthless school you attend?

    Are you getting dumber or is it my imagination?

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    12 Anglotino as a Melbourne dweller QF 135 Melb Auckland and then LAN 800 is the way to go. Tell em Frank sent you.

    Friends ( first timers)booked Aerolineas cos it was $1000 cheaper.... told them there was a reason for that ... havent heard from them since........

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    18 - look up the dreamliners record thus far. very fresh but not so tasty.

    20 - democratic right ...lol...sad.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Dreamliners are gorgeous!
    And don't' worry about Boeing the 500+ they have on backorder will keep them going for a very long time.
    They'll do just fine.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nigelpwsmith

    I believe the reason that Aerolineas has to resume flights to New York, is due to the fact that the Mad Bitch & Gollum cannot use the private jets any more with settling their overdue bills for previous flights.

    It would be terribly embarrassing if they failed to turn up at the meetings for the C24 committee because they couldn't arrange the flights. Even more embarrassing if they used Tango 1 and it was impounded. Instead, they are probably planning to run up a huge bill for fuel at JFK (which they will fail to pay), to get the Americns to subsidise their airline.

    If the Americans have any sense, they will carry out a thorough safety check on all Aerolineas flights and if any of the aircraft fail in any way at all, impound them until the fuel bills are settled. If the lease company then fails to receive their payments, they can come and pick up their jets at JFK, after they pay the bills and the parking fees.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    30. They're required to pay in U$ cash for their gas and expenses at all US Airports, bags of cash.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Even Aerolineas can order Dreamliners....when they are totally clapped out in about 25 years time. That's what third world countries have to do.
    Meanwhile they are starting flights to wholly overated NYC? Wonder why they are bothering to do that? I suppose Gollum must need a new loincloth and KFC needs a new face, the present one being totally shagged out. Both unobtainable in BA? The real purpose of the Malvinas campaign is becoming quite clear now. Lots of excuses for visits to UN and NYC.....

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    i was going to search and paste a link on dreamliners problems throughout its brief history so far .........
    buuut....

    If you type dreamliners in the google searchbar .... 'dreamliner problems' is one of the autosearch options looool.

    Try dreamlinerS and you get dreamliners grounded, dreamliners still grounded, dreamliners batterys and dreamliners flying again.

    emmm no thanks ....lol.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    turn up,, just like that.

    aint they suposed to ask first,

    it would save any embaresment later, would it not

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    no doubt they might just turn up at stanl;ey
    claiming they will opperate a service twice a week.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    33. Don't worry you won't won't see any in Arg fleet while you are alive.

    You're much better off in a 30+yr old AR jet that lacks proper maintenance.

    The one and only time I was on AR was to go from BA to Bariloche, they lost the autopilot and as we were going over mountains the plane went banked up and down really fast. The guy in front of me turned white and was shaking so bad he couldn't get off the plane when we landed.
    Never again
    Terrible pilots and terrible terrible old planes.
    No thanks

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    It is not just yankeeboy who doesn't want to fly AR.
    Argies don't fly AR if there is an option. On domestic RG routes that are covered by LAN and AR, the LAN flights fill up way in advance, even if they are given a 4am take off slot.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Boeing, in my judgement, made an error with the Dreamliner and I think they won't make quite the same error again.

    ALL the designs of Boeing planes up to the Dreamliner were done in-house and the component drawings were passed to approved suppliers for manufacture, type tested, production controlled and then put in to assembly.

    Because the Dreamliner has more plastics fabrications in it (something private plane builders have been doing for at least 15 years) Boeing decided that the fabricators were the people to design their units to boundary drawings and performance specifications: loading, temperature range, etc.

    The battery system and its local harness was of course one such ‘component’. It passed all the prescribed performance tests and was accepted.

    The warning beacon was not a design specially made for the Dreamliner but was selected from a standard, FAA approved manufacturers range. Guess what? Over 100,000 units are in the process of being traced to check for the fault that set the Dreamliner on fire. NOT Boeings problem.

    Will the Dreamliner have other problems in the coming few years, perhaps, but they won’t be life threatening. Will Boeing revert to doing all the design work themselves, I am not sure but will most probably introduce a closer design ‘reference’ to their suppliers.

    The automobile industry has been doing this for decades, including design updates, but of course cars, even with the seriously berserk drivers of The Dark Country, don’t fly, well not very far anyway.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    The Dreamliner has many innovative features. The fires were unexpected and luckily no harm was done. Looking back to the Comet and its square windows which propagated fatigue cracks, faults with groundbreaking new concepts are nothing new. Each incident results in improvements. Boeing make fine aircraft. You are much more at risk flying on an airline originating in a failing country like RGland. Money is tight, corners will be cut, Any airline in a country slipping back into the third world should be avoided.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    They are the number one jet manufacturer in the world. They must do something right that the world obviously wants.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Speaking of errors and problems and oversights related to the dreamliner,
    heres some automated google suggestions I overlooked.

    Search: Dreamliner
    Automated google suggestions: Dreamliner fire, Dreamliner heathrow fire, Dreamliner incident.

    ehhhh.... ill pass on that free flight.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    #41 please make sure you only go on RG airlines in future

    Chuckle chuckle....

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Vestige, I think Mr Aziz's River Plate flights are free and are very popular...great alternative to a Dreamliner excursion.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_V0ice

    Kirchner government has blood on their hands responsible for thousands of deaths in Argentina.
    Argentina used to have the best beef in the world, but since the Kirchners have been in power, the beef industry has been completely destroyed. Nobody should eat the poor quality and polluted beef, it's not fit for human consumption. Argentine beef loaded with hormones, drugs and chemicals that have been outlawed in the USA and Europe and they have been known to ship rotten beef for export after it's been washed with bleach and ammonia, injected with formaldehyde and red food coloring.Argentine lemons are sprayed with toxic, dangerous cancer and nerve damage causing chemicals and injected with artificial yellow coloring. The soil in Argentina is so depleted of minerals in that lemons grow white on trees and have no flavor. Industrial products - tools, automobiles, machinery & appliances from Argentina are the worst, poorest quality in the world. Even the chinese won't buy them. No industrial standard, the lowest quality raw materials, no testing is done before they are shipped. This has caused serious injuries by unsafe products, many people have been electrocuted by Argentine washing machines & hot water heaters that leave the factory with short circuits. All countries should completely avoid ALL Argentine products permanently. Very scary news about Argentina signing a military cooperation agreement with Venezuela, they are looking to start a war.

    Jul 25th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @44 A_Voice

    “Kirchner government has blood on their hands responsible for thousands of deaths in Argentina.
    Argentina used to have the best beef in the world, but since the Kirchners have been in power, the beef industry has been completely destroyed. Nobody should eat the poor quality and polluted beef, it's not fit for human consumption. Argentine beef loaded with hormones, drugs and chemicals that have been outlawed in the USA and Europe and they have been known to ship rotten beef for export after it's been washed with bleach and ammonia, injected with formaldehyde and red food coloring.Argentine lemons are sprayed with toxic, dangerous cancer and nerve damage causing chemicals and injected with artificial yellow coloring. The soil in Argentina is so depleted of minerals in that lemons grow white on trees and have no flavor. Industrial products - tools, automobiles, machinery & appliances from Argentina are the worst, poorest quality in the world. Even the chinese won't buy them. No industrial standard, the lowest quality raw materials, no testing is done before they are shipped. This has caused serious injuries by unsafe products, many people have been electrocuted by Argentine washing machines & hot water heaters that leave the factory with short circuits. All countries should completely avoid ALL Argentine products permanently. Very scary news about Argentina signing a military cooperation agreement with Venezuela, they are looking to start a war.”

    Thanks for being truthful for once, A_Voice/Think

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    @12 Anglotino

    “Is this resumption just for the prestige? So BsAs can have a flight into the ”world's most premier city?“ Since when has NYC been the ”world's most premier city”?

    Have you forgotten Paris, Rome, London? London is, still, the financial capital of the world!

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @15 Austral

    I thought of flying via Chile last time but it isn't cheap. I can fly via LAX to Bogotá all up for about A$1,800 if there is a sale on to LAX. A$1,800 is the lowest fare to Chile and so,stokes it is almost a thousand higher. Then there's the LAN connection which goes via Lima.

    My Colombian flatmate flew via Dubai, Brazil and Argentina with Emirates and it was still cheaper than Qantas to Chile.

    If I wasn't going to squeeze this trip into my mid year uni break then is spend a couple of weeks in Chile, then Argentina, maybe Uruguay and also Peru. But with not 6 weeks I'd prefer to spend it with my extended Colombian family.

    @46 Gordo1
    Having been to all those cities (lived on one and been to the others all more than once), I would put London and New York in the same league. Paris is close but no equivalent. And Rome doesn't compare.

    But if you had to rank I'd still say that NYC is just that cut above London. Just. And to the elite in Argentina it is probably everything they aspire to or glamourise.

    Otherwise why the hell are hey restarting these flights? Nothing but prestige.

    Nice to see Nostrils who has never left his country telling us all about how those that have should travel. Like a 6 year old telling his parents where babies really come from.

    And 2/10 for Vestige's pathetic attempts to drag the thread off topic.

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    @46 ... that would be New York.

    @47 ... oh Im sorry if I made the thread digress a little, please, continue to tell us about your extended Colombian family.

    Oh and Paris shts on London, the city of light, art and beauty, more sun, less rain, palace of versaille, the louvre, champs elysees, place de la concorde and l'arc de triumph. VS ...what? Nelsons pillar? Tower Bridge...wow. (olympic stadium Ill concede). Paris is beautiful. London is not.

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Oh come on=
    throwing the French at us now,

    where’s the Russians I say, where’s the Germans,

    watch out boyos its raining cats and dogs..lol.

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    well ...these things happen when you spout about being no.1 when you're not.
    same story when trying to claim you rule the waves....don't be surprised if someone calls b.s occasionally.

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ah just sour grapes,

    number one is America, and we thing they regretted taking over the policemans roll,
    as for ruling the waves, hey the whole world can brag,
    but the royal did rule the waves,

    and nothing lasts for ever,
    besides leaving the Americans to one side,
    what other country can commit to 3 events at the same time,
    not as big, but the royal navy all the same.

    never let sour graps get in the way of history..
    still,
    you never know perhaps one day, Argentina will have a powerfull navy to rule the waves...

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    did.

    India. (Italy, Spain, France, Russia, Japan)

    such an ironic claim not part of the Argentine anthem. So no need to ...cringe.

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    “ After a five year absence. ”

    I would hope that the American NTSC and IATA give these aircraft owned by AR a complete and thorough safety inspection, on a routine basis.

    Being a 100 % Argentine state-owned company, I don't trust these guys, except to take short cuts, including safety. I would not fly this airline up to New York or anywhere else in North America, ever.

    Jul 26th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    @47 Anglotino coooool. if u have any more info on sales when they come up, let me know pz :)

    Jul 27th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_V0ice

    www.buenosairesherald.com/article/105945/argentina-venezuela-to-sign-military-agreement
    And the new “militant” movement that Kirchners are starting that make “La Cámpora” look like a group of kids in nursery school? It's called “Vatayon”, a Kirchner backed group that goes into prisons of Argentina to recruit supporters for their political movement!...www.facebook.com/#!/vatayonmilitante
    Los Sauces Casa Patagonica Hotel in Argentina is one of the most awful hotels I have ever experienced. Overpriced, food low quality and mostly rotten, spoiled fish, old meat. Dirty sheets, rude untrained staff. Too expensive for the services charge, jacuzzis are out of service, lousy staff, locals dislike the property as been taken away by political force from the locals. The staff will not provide a umbrella on a rainy day in order to get to the spa. Activites all very expensive and extra charge, broken and dirty beds, bathroom unclean, stained old dirty towels, bad smell in room. If you complain they get angry and threaten you by saying the president of Argentina owns this hotel. Avoid this dump it is very disgusting and overpriced.
    Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner corrupt and creepy old woman is president of Argentina. Her
    husband, Néstor Kirchner, was the president before her, in 2003 and then she became the
    president after him. She is one of the most corrupt politicians ever to rule Argentina. She
    is nothing more than an arrogant, low down crook who steals from Argentina´s treasury and
    the people of Argentina. When she gives speeches, she throws around numbers and statistics
    and tries to make it seem she has done so much for the country. Her nickname is “Kretina” or
    “Soretina”

    Jul 27th, 2013 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    55A_Voice

    “Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner corrupt and creepy old woman is president of Argentina. Her
    husband, Néstor Kirchner, was the president before her, in 2003 and then she became the
    president after him. She is one of the most corrupt politicians ever to rule Argentina. She
    is nothing more than an arrogant, low down crook who steals from Argentina´s treasury and
    the people of Argentina. When she gives speeches, she throws around numbers and statistics
    and tries to make it seem she has done so much for the country. Her nickname is “Kretina” ”

    A_Voice (of Think),
    I have never heard you speak the truth about CFK before.
    It's very refreshing.

    Thx!!

    Jul 27th, 2013 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Never did…
    India. (Italy, Spain, France, Russia, Japan
    Never will
    Argentina.

    As for cringing, that’s up to your government,
    We mean to threaten no one, just defend,
    Unlike some like Argentina who CRINGE away from their responsibilities,
    Cringe from the rules, and cringe from the truth.
    Still,
    You either have it, or ignore it and cringe..
    The Fleet
    Strike carriers
    Queen Elizabeth class 65,000 tons
    HMS Queen Elizabeth (launch 2014, sea trials 2016/17)
    HMS Prince of Wales (assembled by 2014, launch 2016)

    Assault/Commando carriers
    HMS Ocean LPH (22,000 tons)
    HMS Illustrious LPH (to decommission 2014)
    Ballistic Missile Submarines SSBN
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    Hunter-killer attack submarines SSN
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    HMS Astute
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    Inbuild
    HMS Artful (2015)
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    on order
    HMS Agamemnon (2022)
    HMS Ajax (2024)
    DestroyersType 45 or Daring class 8,000 tons
    HMS Daring
    HMS Dauntless
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    Type 82
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    Frigates
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    Amphibious ships
    Albion class LPDs 19,000 tons
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    Mine-hunters
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    Ice Patrol shipsHMS Endurance (6,500 tons)
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    Survey shipsHMS Scott (13,500 tons)
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    Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_V0ice

    Troy....I/we lie because it comes naturally to us and it is easier than truth. But we will speak truth when we are forced to where we post from. 1 thru 6 of 11. MP needs more space:

    1) Her personal wealth, in the time she has been president, has increased from less than
    $1, 000, 000 US Dollars to $50, 000, 000 US Dollars.
    2) She and her husband, who supposedly died on October 26th, 2010, took federally owned land
    and created deeds for them, of course to themselves and their fake holding company (Los
    Sauces, SA is the name of the company). They then re-sold these federally owned lands in
    the south of Argentina for millions of dollars and of course, kept the money all for
    themselves.
    3) Her husband supposedly died on October 26th, 2010 and of course she played the black
    widow, however they would not open the coffin. Every public official who has died in
    Argentina, has had an open coffin, and of course Kretina wouldn't allow this.
    4) The taxes in Argentina are some of the highest in the world, yet the people here earn
    miserably low salaries, sales tax 21% on EVERYTHING, goods, services, even RENT!
    5) Any profit you may make, the government takes 35% of that too! And the 1.2% check tax,
    every retail sale in Argentina is taxed additionally 1.2% if you pay by check or credit
    card.
    6) The bribes, and money under the table you have to pay to her government to get ANYTHING
    done in Argentina is unbelieveable. If you are sick or need to be operated, even if you
    have the supposedly “free” health insurance, if you don't slip some money to the director of
    the hospital, you get put to the side. The hospitals take in huge amounts of money, but it
    all goes to the president Crisitna, who keeps most of it, and gives a few pesos back to the
    hospitals to keep them going and pay miserably low salaries to the doctors and other staff.

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  • axel arg

    DESTROYING SOME MYTHS.
    I don't pretend people in this forum to think like me, because this is evident that we have very deep ideological differences. However, if i insist on making comments here,is because i have always wanted to tell about the omissions that most press in our country commits, every time it refers to argentina, in relation to different issues.
    Aerolineas is of the main triggers of many mediatic operations, in fact our most important newspapers (clarin, la anción and perfil) often emphasize in the deficit that the airline still has, but they usually omit that after the renationalization, it has diminished from 945 millions in 2008, to 240 millions, beside, it's forecasted that in two years, the company will start to have surplus.
    Beside, they omit also the fact that it could recover many of the destinies that it had lost during the years of private administration, which took the enterprice to the bankarroupty.
    On the other hand, those newspapers usually omit that aerolineas is the only one airline which keeps the whole country united, due to it travels not only to profitable places, like private companies do, but it travels to the whole country, because it complies with a social function.
    Beside, in 2008, aerolineas transported over 5 millions of people, and now it transports over 8 millions of people.
    It was published today an interview to mariano recalde, in pagina12, where you can check everything i say in this comment, and much more about aerolineas, www.pagina12.com.ar
    On the other hand, the fact of being a detractor of c. f. k's policies, doesn't justify the misserable comparisons that many people in this forum often make, in order to show once and again how much they hate c. f. k. and us. If they are so detractors of kirchnerism, they don't need to insult, because it's tipicall of mediocre people, what they should do, is to propose ideas.

    Jul 27th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @59axel Argie

    “On the other hand, the fact of being a detractor of c. f. k's policies, doesn't justify the misserable comparisons that many people in this forum often make, in order to show once and again how much they hate c. f. k. and us. If they are so detractors of kirchnerism, they don't need to insult, because it's tipicall of mediocre people, what they should do, is to propose ideas.”

    Axel, you are wrong again and you miss the point, again.

    “to show once and again how much they hate c. f. k. and us. ”

    CFk's “detractors” are pointing out the lies CFK and her “Kirchnerites” are issuing. They blame us ( Falklanders, UK, US, IMF, their SA neighbours, etc., for the problems that Argentina has with its economy, industries, and infrastructure.

    Your country owes $100b US that it borrowed and cannot/will not pay it back. They somehow blame that on us, the people who lent them the money for industrial development and infrastructure.
    Guess what? No development, no infrastructure, and no money!
    Where did it go?
    Cristina somehow accumulated $50m USD, a new Tango- 1 Jet and her ministers are doing well too.
    Obviously, your government is not telling the truth and refuses to be held accountable.
    There is no unreasonable “hate” from us.
    We “CFK Detractors” are defending ourselves from your lies against us.

    “how much they hate c. f. k. and us. ”

    WHO is “us”????

    When you say “us”, you must mean CFK's Ministers and Officials, Propagandists and Trolls ( like yourself), all those who live like corrupt parasites off of public money and the pensions of private citizens.

    We certainly have no “hate” for the Argentine public.

    But YOU Kirchnerists do!

    BTW,
    CFK et al, have a sworn duty to the people, to govern Argentina honestly and conscientiously. That is THEIR job.

    If we see that they are corrupt, mismanaging the economy, or stealing, it is OUR duty to point it out when we witness injustice.
    It is not conditional on having a “solution” or “suggestion” before we speak!

    Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    TROY TOMPEST.
    I must recognize that i feel so frustrated every time i see that such reactionary people like you answer my comments, i don't have any problem in talking to people who are detractors of kirchnerism, but your problem, and the problem of some other people, is the lack of respect, that's why discussing with people like you doesn't have any sense.
    Anyway, what you consider like critics, are based on distorted information or in too partial analysis, in fact, many of those detractors usually date reports published in clarin and la nación, which have a great push of power with c. f. k's govt., and most what they publish are just mediatic operations. You don't need to be a kirchnerist in order to realize that those newspapers are not realiable, in fact, i'm sure that not even their readers believe in clarin and la nación, however if they date the reports published in those newspapers, is because they say what detractors want to hear. Anyway, beyond operations, facts will always be sacred, that's why i recognize not just that c. f. k's government has negative aspects, but i can also recognize that those newspapers aren't reliable.
    On the other hand, i dont' think you are neather a parasite nor a propagandistic.
    When i say us, i mean argentine people. Maybe i'm wrong with what i said, but what is really evident and pathetic, is that detractors can't never propose any idea in order to solve the problems of the country, the only one thing they do, is to insult c. f. k., or make too partial analysis based on mediatic operations mostly.
    For example, if you propose ideas, tell me what do you think that we should do in order to lower the inflation level without prejudicing our industrial productions, what should we do in order to have a better airline like aerolineas. Now you and all the rest of detractors have the chance of proposing ideas without insulting, and without making the usuall misserable comparisons that they often do.
    Now it's your turn.

    Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Troy I will never forget my one and only time I flew them from Newbery to Iguazu, the seat back broke. I was on the knees of the person behind me most of the flight. The return trip, the seat was loose to the floor mount. Now if we were to crash it would hardly make a difference, but a hard landing and I would have been mush.

    maintenance is job numero uno !!

    Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    62 axel grease

    “For example, if you propose ideas, tell me what do you think that we should do in order to lower the inflation level without prejudicing our industrial productions, what should we do in order to have a better airline like aerolineas. Now you and all the rest of detractors have the chance of proposing ideas without insulting, and without making the usuall misserable comparisons that they often do. ”

    I have two suggestions, let's see you implement them.

    1) Get rid of your government corruption, the politicians like CFK who pocket public money instead of putting it into Industrial Development, Infrastructure, healthcare etc.

    2) Turf out the incompetent La Campora thigs and crooks you have tunning your airline and “Nationalised” industries.

    There you go - get back to me after you give it a try.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    61 axel arg

    http://argentina-airline-news.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/argentine-government-subsidies-to.html

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Wait a few years to see the Embraer jets fall apart because they are being misused. They're built for 2hr or less flight and not at all suited to the geography of Argentina.
    They'll still have loans on worthless planes.
    I will laugh and laugh.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @59Axel Campora

    “DESTROYING SOME MYTHS.”

    Ha ha ha!!!!!

    Axel,
    It seems that @64 your myths have some staying power!!
    La Campora are an inept clueless bunch of clowns when it comes to running a national airline with seemingly limitless subsidies!
    How much does Maximo pocket for himself and his cronies???
    Perhaps if they used actual educated airline professionals to run it as a business it would work. Instead, it is a cover to fork over money to CFK supporters.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_V0ice

    7 through 9 of 11:

    7) Cristina's children, Florencia Kirchner a/k/a Florkey, Flor, and Maximo Kirchner are
    heavily involved in her corruption. Florencia lived in New York studying film production as
    a student, but lived in a luxury park avenue apartment. Some of us who knew her in New York
    used to listen to Florkey brag about all of her parent's money how the common folk in
    Argentina are garbage and how her parents became millionaires stealing the country´s money.
    And we saw Florencia Kirchner put plenty of cocaine up her nose at parties in New York, and
    it's easy for her to get since her family is also involved in the drug trade. Maximo
    Kirchner owns a string of hotels in the south of Argentina and takes in millions of dollars
    per year. They are both involved with nationalist terrorist groups called “La Campora” and
    “Quebracho”. That go around the country stealing money, bribing, threatening legitimate
    businesses, shaking down companies for money, expropiating and nationalizing public and
    private property all to keep for themselves. Florencia Kirchner is one of the ugliest
    females in all of the Americas and Maximo Kirchner is one of the ugliest males. Their
    physical looks mirror their ugly and crooked human souls. Maximo Kirchner's girlfriend Maria
    Rocio Garcia is a dentist known for many malpractice lawsuits.
    8) They claim they do things for the good of the 40 million Argentine people, they are
    nothing but crooks.
    9) Cristina Kirchner is threatening war on England to take back the Falkland islands, and
    promote nationalism, when all she is doing is trying to distract the citizens of Argentina
    from her miserable stealing and looting of public funds and disaster of a goverment
    including her vice president drug dealing Amado Boudou.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @67 A_Voice of Argie Truth

    Thanks “A_Voice”!!

    Very interesting background information, obviously from an 'insider'!

    I hope you don't mind me quoting your comments, I plan to do so quite a bit.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_V0ice

    Conclusion:

    10) Cristina and her supposedly dead husband Nestor Kirchner were part of a national
    terrorist and extorsionist group called “Montoneros” when they were young adults.
    11) Cristina Kirchner is supposedly a lawyer, however no educational institution in
    Argentina con produce a college degree with her name on it and a law degree, it simply
    doesn't exist.
    ARGENTINA IS THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION KIRCHNER THE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING THE GOVERNMENT IS A GROUP OF CROOKS AND STEAL ALL OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS AND PROMOTE NARCO AND TERRORIST ACTIVITY WE HOPE THE WORLD IS LISTENING.
    Argentina is being run by terrorist organizations financed by the president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, and the late Hugh Chavez was supplying the arms and ammunition. They are secretly preparing for a war against Chile, North America and the UK. Why do you think they made alliances with Iran, Syria and other well known terrorist states. They want a several MK54's. There terrorist organizations are called Quebracho, Montoneros (Cristina and her security minister, Nilda Garre were Montoneros). They shake businesses down for money, steal from the country's treasury and accepted drug money from Hugo Chavez the former dictator of Venezuela. Cut all ties to Argentina don't do any business, its a narco country, run by gangs and corruption! The UN must take Argentina to task before she get's MK54's. Be mindful that North Korea does have bi-lateral relations with the major states of Mercosur.

    More will follow as I can. Make sure you vote for Massa, he is the start of change.

    Also, as the world laughs at Kirchner, she quietly lays plans to forcibly take the islands and she does have surprise on her side to a degree. The UK knows this. They do not patrol this region for no reason. Watch Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina. The facade of disharmony works.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    69 A_V0ice

    As a clone I thought you showed some promise over the original idiot with that tag until your penultimate and final sentences.

    Brazil is trying to get into the modern world; acting in concert with the two idiots of SA in a fighting war against the Falklands would be suicide for them politically.

    On the other hand the two idiotic countries couldn’t fight my dog without having their arses ripped out of their trousers.

    The Dark Country has NO military because TMBOA is shit scared of a coup and Venezuela has some nice gear but no way to get down to the Falklands without having it taken out of the sky on the way down there.

    Such actions would open the way for Britain to destroy some of the mainland of The Dark Country and they know it. TMBOA may (sorry) IS barking but she is also a coward, like the rest of the argies.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @69
    “Watch Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina”

    Brazil would not risk trade with the UK by joining in a war with the Falklands.

    Brazil is a long way from the Falklands, therefore it either uses it's Navy out of theatre, which would be target practice for our subs.

    Or perhaps Brazil and Venezuela could base their aircraft in Argentina.

    As Chris R @70 points out“;Such actions would open the way for Britain to destroy some of the mainland”.

    No aircraft from Venezuela or Brazil could continue to operate from Argentine runways blitzed by either the RN or the RAF.

    And there's four or five which if taken out would be financially impossible for Argentina to rebuild.

    If you think that Brazilian/Venezuelan troops fancy mixing it with the Brits, battle hardened from Afghanistan, in a climate not familiar with either of those countries, you are mistaken as they will be taken out as soon as they dare park their asses on the islands.

    Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Venezuela can't get its army to its own border with Colombia I can't see how they think they'll get to Argentina.
    Brazil has no interest in helping a lithium addicted dictator of a has been country.
    Never gonna happen.

    Jul 29th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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