MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands set rules for oil and gas development, to the benefit of Islanders current and future generations
Falkland Islands has set out the eight basic guidelines of its hydrocarbons development policy which are centred on robust regulation, supply chain support and long-term benefits for Islanders because the statement underlines its resources belong to the people of the Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTWIMC
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent set of rules.....
After some minor adjustments.....:
1. Hydrocarbons in Malvinas Islands waters belong to the people of Argentina and Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur Province.... Their exploitation must be to the benefit of the people of Argentina and Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur Province, both those of today and future generations.
2. The Argentinean and Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur Provincial Government will maintain constant supervision and control over all hydrocarbon activities within the Malvinas Islands Designated Area.
3. Petroleum discoveries must be efficiently managed and exploited to maximise economic recovery and to ensure the development of a long-term industry presence that will benefit the Islands for decades to come.
4. Development of the hydrocarbons industry must ensure the protection and conservation of the Malvinas Island’s environment and biodiversity.
5. Development of the hydrocarbons industry must take into consideration existing commercial activity and promote the development of local business capacity.
6. The exploitation of finite natural resources will be used to develop lasting benefits to society across the whole of the Falkland Islands.
7. Transparency and accountability must be present throughout the hydrocarbon development process from all parties involved.
8. The Malvinas Islands local government will only consider onshore hydrocarbon facilities if they are considered to be in the best interests of the Malvinas Islands sub-area, and can be proven to satisfy all of the above policy goals.
Good job Kelpers and English “Superheads”.....
There you go again Think revealing your location is Scotland not RGland. All we can say is that in spite of Gollum hissing that “he wants it , he must have it..” he hasn't got it and he ain't going to get it because them islanders have owned it long before RGland ever existed. And, the world knows it...
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think. Thought you said there was no oil.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you now accept that hydrocarbons will soon flow, then you better get your skates on and either reopen negotiations with the FI & UK governments over the sharing of resources, or, get yourself to the ICJ. Because once the oil is extracted and sold then it's too late. So you have an actual deadline now. By doing nothing but complain your (former) country simply humiliates itself further. Your post above is another example of this. It might have sounded clever in your head when you wrote it but to me it indicates delusion and impotence.
Think..
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hydrocarbons in the Malvinas and Magallen basins belong to the Amerindians of Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Their exploitation should be for the benefit of the indigenous South Americans not the Latino pirate genocidal usurpers.
You first.....Lol
Think = Gollums servant - 6.23am Mercopress timestamp is actually 3.23am timestamp in Chubut? Is Think a lying toad? Obvious his single malt supplies are financed by Argentinas Ministry of Propaganda, and, he is squatting somewhere in Europe rather than Chubut which is what he claims. Therefore Think is a liar. Furthermore he isn't living in Argentina a country that he claims is a wonderful place run by a wonderful President who cares for her people. How can any sane person believe his lies? In truth, Think is just another lying cheating morally corrupt Argentinean exhibiting all the human defects that are continually on display in all aspects of Argentinean society.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Falkland Islanders wealth , unfortunately Argentineans won't be sharing it. They shot themselves in the foot in 1982.
Well Think, as least you admit that if it wasn't for no hope you wouldn't have any hope at all.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln your dreams, Think.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0We own this oil & we're not going to give you even a sixteenth of a gill of it.
You had your chance & you blew it over.
Blame mr Cristina for that.
lf you still think that you have a case(& you really know that you really havenot)then go to the ICJ.
By gadd you must hate those letters! ICJ,ICJ,ICJ,ICJ! Na na na na na!
What are you doing in Scotland, Think?
You didn't have to go that far for a bottle of whisky!
l've got a couple of bottles of Japanese whisky that you could have had. Beastly stuff, but you might like it.
Oh, btw, you said that there was no oil. Even relished the fact.
Might call you Duster Think from now on.
(3) Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say….:
”Think. Thought you said there was no oil.”
I say…:
Well……. Then, you ”thought” wrongly……
Anyone that has ever skimmed my posts on that subject knows that, since the seventies, everybody (including me) knows that there is oil in the Malvinas Basin.
Just not in commercial quantities….
That oil wasn't commercial in the 70’s nor in the 80’s, nor in the 90’s, nor in the 00’s nor today, in the 10’s……..
Especially not under the current World Economic situation, where ALL commodities are predicted lower prices in the next few years….
And certainly not under the current World Shale Oil & Gas Revolution where it seems that there is oil to be had everywhere, even in good ol’ England…….
On the above subject……....., I noticed that the South Atlantic Oil Explorers have, yet again, delayed their date for the ”Imminent First Flowing” of hydrocarbons in Malvinas….
They are now talking about somewhere in 2018.…
Anyhow…… The eight points summarized in the article above are a functional tool for the future management of the Malvinas Islands natural resources in benefit of its inhabitants, in the frame of the Federal Argentinean Republic.
I totally agree with Think in post #1.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Except for point 6.
Think
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina threatens UK and Falklands Oil Companies With Legal Actions
'at the time some of the BA press mentioned that Argentina could be considering taking the resources dispute case to the ICJ of the Hague, but no government official ratified or rectified the news.'
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/05/argentina-threatens-uk-and-falkland-oil-companies-with-legal-actions
This headline is from 5th February 2010.
Any updates????
Perhaps Argentina has no jurisdiction?
Pity Nestor Kirchner voided those hydrocarbon agreements back in 2007, eh.
Think...hahaha...“Federal Argentinian Republic”. In your dreams Think/Gollum mouthpiece :-)))) No surrender! An activity RGs are very familiar with. As for the black stuff, if it is there it winds you up, if it isn't why are you making such a fuss?
Jul 27th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take a walk in the heather, swipe the midges and go home for that deep fried Mars Bar.
The Falklands oil and gas remains the Falklands oil and gas.
@8 Think
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The one thing that you and I have in common regarding this issue is that neither of us own this oil. It belongs to the islanders and not to us. Doesn't the fact that it doesn't belong to the UK make you feel even slightly better? Since your people are so poorly informed on the FIs then could you not just tell them that the bad old Brits won't get the oil & gas and try and sell them that as a kind of victory?
But complaining that it belongs to you while not going to the ICJ makes you look, as i said above, deluded and impotent - impotent being the operative word since even if you did own the oil you couldn't “get it up” anyway. ;)
Thinks toooo lazy to proof read his “minor adjustments”, Forgot the M word
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)))))))
6. The exploitation of finite natural resources will be used to develop lasting benefits to society across the whole of the Falkland Islands.
I actually agree with Think. The hydrocarbon resources of the Malvinas Islands should be allowed to belong to the people of Argentina. As well as the hydrocarbon assets of Xanadu, Waterworld, and the Klingon Empire. If they want to claim the natural resources of any fantasy political entity that doesn't really exist then who cares? Meanwhile the very real political entity known as the Falkland Islands will continue to chug along in the real world and be financially successful. It must get hard to stare at a Malvinas Islands poster on the wall day after day and finally wake up one day and realize that no such place actually exists.......
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - thankyou for yet again showing the principles of good old fashioned Argentina,s 19th Century Colonialism Ambitions.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for upholding transparency and open dealings - wow - I don,t doubt that you are an honest lad yourself - BUT - do please explain which Arg Govt has even met those principles in business and it,s Leaders personal financial dealings?
3 Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicely said.
Deadbeat at 1 and 8
Jul 27th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not forget that you also told us, admittedly under your Dover login, that any money made from hydrocarbons would all go into the sovereign wealth fund controlled and owned by London. Remember? Deadbeat.
So what are you saying?
“No commercially viable oil” = no oil. What's the difference? So you have nothing to worry about; we won't get anything.
Also, if there is any oil money, and let's say you concede that Argentina won't get it, then it all goes to the UK rather than to the Falklands.
You're wrong again old man. And you know it.
Look on the bright side Think. At least you don't have to put up with living in Argentina. You and I have that in common at least.
DEADBEAT!
(12) Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“ The one thing that you and I have in common regarding this issue is that neither of us own this oil.”.....
I say....:
Well.... That's yet another thing we don't have in common, Mr. Redrow...
We Argentineans own the Malvinas Islands as we do with the rest of the Austral Antilles.......
The fact that the world's biggest bully decided to invaded them in 1833 does not change that.
Ps...:
Nice to see the turnips celebrating my little Wabi Sabi fault “accidentally” incepted at post (1), point 6......
Chuckle chuckle©
“hydrocarbons development policy which are centred on robust regulation, supply chain support and long-term benefits for Islanders”
Jul 27th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hydrocarbons in Falkland Islands waters belong to the people of the Falkland Islands and their exploitation must be to the benefit of the people of the Falkland Islands”
Ah the greed ...and treachery too.
The type 45s and the subs and sailors will be down from England to protect the islands, as they have been for many years, where the English and Scots lads died, having been sent by London, home of the union flag....the biggest flag on the islands by the looks of it. Theres a sign of true loyalty.
....at least til oil is possibly struck
Thanks says a camper.
You can have the corpses, we'll take the oil....in sterling demonination.
Loyal to the oil.
Lol @ “'Think”...yup 06:19 hrs here in British Columbia...just into my first cup of java and get my giggle fix for the day...No doubt about it ol “Think” sure is one funny dude and never to be taken seriously...Just not playing with a full deck...!!
Jul 27th, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Jul 27th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An the Amerindians own Patagonia, the fact that the worlds biggest genocidal usurpers invaded in 1880 doesn't change that.
LOL..chuckle...you dopey frikking moron
Vestige- Actually our 8 “Commandments” were based on the highly successfull Norwegian approach to Hydrocarbons - they have 10 so we have cut it down a bit. Now tell me- has Norway made a balls-up of Oil over the last 40 years?
Jul 27th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and tell me- Has Argentina made a success of it for their people over the last 40 years?
As for the Defence of it - you wil likley see that once the royalties start to flow that it will actually be FI Govt that foots that bill.
The UK economy has already gained some millions from the exploration phase due to Argentina,s refusal to allow itself to be part of of the support infrastructure. The lads from Aberdeen say “thankyou CFK- keep it up. plenty of jobs for us”!
Many millions more to come for the UK enconomy as well in the coming development phase and further exploration - and the USA of course.
Think, you can't 'invade' a place you already own! 1833 and 1982 were when we caused the illegal okupas to haul up the white flag just taking our land back. As for bullies, with Messrs Galtieri, Anaya, and Mr Asiz with his river Plate flights I think you have those in spades. As for Timerman, he would like to be a bully but he resembles Gollum and only succeeds in making himself look like a hissing repulsive little liar and theif. I'm afraid that as a slightly incompetent troll along with your failed foreign minister you are on a sinking ship up shit creek without a paddle.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep taking the tablets.
TWIMC
Jul 27th, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From today’s MercoPress…..:
”The pace of oil and gas exploration is frightening, and discoveries are weekly, if not daily, with volumes investors would only have dreamt of a decade ago. http://en.mercopress.com/2013/07/27/six-key-oil-gas-discoveries-of-2013-who-s-worth-owning
I say….:
Where does the above mentioned developments on the Oil Business leave our ”Shiny New Oil Province in the South-Atlantic”with its meager (alleged) 300 Mbls of Oil?
Uneconomical, far away from everything and politically inflamed….
Déjà vu from 1998……, Kelpers?
Think clearly is quite unable to think! Even more clear is that he us quite unable to conceive of a fait accompli as the Falklands archipelago has nothing to do with Argentina, never has and never will!
Jul 27th, 2013 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a ninny!
@24
Jul 27th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Discoveries made in 2013....dickhead! The clues in the title.
So, some of these six are smaller than sealion, some are in much deeper water therefore less economical, some are more remote.
As far as the “politically inflamed” part is concerned.....hahahahahahahahahahah...yeah ok Stink, if you say so. So far “politically inflamed” hasnt cost a days drilling, a red cent in exploration, hasn't stopped Noble, Premier, EDF Edison from farming in, and Won't stop production.
I can't work out whether you are try some pathetic scaremongering and failing or whether you are really really Thick.
Think, first oil belongs to Argentina, then, there is no oil, or what little oil there is isn't worth bothering with! I cannot understand why Gollum continues to lust after the Islands? Clearly they don't belong to Argentina, they wont bring Argentina anything other than even more grief.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please advise us of Argentinas claim to them, and why she wants them? And while you are about it please explain why Gollum deploys a posse of trolls on all sorts of media to try and harrass peaceful islanders?
@18 Think
Jul 27th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We Argentineans own the Malvinas Islands as we do with the rest of the Austral Antilles. The fact that the world's biggest bully decided to invaded them in 1833 does not change that.”
If so then ICJ or STFU. Your sovereignty claim to the oil will be moot once it has been through the carburettor so skates on man.
@1
Jul 27th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/-“Hydrocarbons in Malvinas Islands waters belong to the people of Argentina ”
The hydrocarbons in Never -never land belong to Peter Pan do they not?
2.“ The Argentinean and Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur Provincial Government will maintain constant supervision and control over all hydrocarbon activities within the Malvinas Islands Designated Area.”
This is the most amusing part of your post. None of the above could run a piss up in a brewery let alone supervise the Falklands properly, even if they had the opportunity.
They're going to have a hard job patrolling the area if there are UK armed forces in the way.
3/-Agree with you Jock.
4/-Malvinas don't exist so this statement is redundant.
5. Agree
6.Agree
7.This would not happen if Argentina were involved-transparency is impossible with a country that lies through its teeth-Conqueror will be able to fill you in on that with more detail. Otherwise as you have not mentioned the Dark Country, I agree.
8. Malvinas local government? Who are they?
Note that if the islands were Argentine, no one would invest in the oil as no one would trust the Argentine government and the oil companies would be wary of being booted out at a whim. So if Argentina were involved there would be no rigs and no oil.
Argie threats from 2010.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/02/05/argentina-threatens-uk-and-falklands-oil-companies-with-legal-actions
@18 Think - 'The Worlds biggest bully decided to invade them in 1833'
The British merely returned to what was theirs in 1833. Vernet had gained permission from Britain to set up a seal business on the islands. After he switched allegiance, he committed an illegal act. Only the garrison was asked to leave. The majority of the settlers chose to stay. Only 5 settlers returned to what is now Argentina and they had only been on the islands a few months - too cold and inhospitable. All this happened in 1833, before Argentina carried out its genocidal conquest of Patagonia - is Argentina going to give Patagonia back to the Mapuche?
Are you forgetting the Arana-Southern treaty?
Statements by 2 Presidents and 1 Vice President of Argentina?
The maps?
No sovereignty rotests between 1849 and 1941?
(28) Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“Your sovereignty claim to the oil will be moot once it has been through the carburettor .........”
I say.....:
If that's the case, we got plenty of time......
Not many carburators left out there matey ;-)
@1 Sorry? I didn't realise that there were oil reserves in Cordoba City. Those underground petrol and diesel tanks aren't “reserves”.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Don't give the scag ideas. The cesspit has no rights to anything. Not even “sharing”.
@8 There are no “Malvinas” except in Cordoba. But you come on and try something with the Falkland Islands. Under new rules, if one unauthorised argie sets foot on the Falkland Islands, it will be considered grounds to bomb and missile Buenos Aires. Once BA is dead, we'll choose another city.
@15 I doubt!
@18 Poor little Twinky. Still hoping to turn the world back 200 years. Can't do it, sonny. Get those synapses snapping. Turn the world back 200 years and the UK will be the best there is. It's always fun to see an ignoramus proving he's ignorant. You should get back to argieland. Then you can send first-hand reports as the UK flattens “your” country. Why aren't you going “home” to defend it? Scared?
@19 Not a problem. The oil belongs to the Islanders. The UK and the British people have no problem with that.
@24 What do you care? If there's no oil, argieland is getting in a frenzy over nothing!
Listen up, Twinky, the capabilities of the British armed forces are much greater than they were in '82. Here's a comparison. A Gerald R Ford aircraft carrier has a complement of 4,660. A Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier (2/3 the size) has a complement of 1,600. Less is best. 7 SSNs can launch 210 land attack cruise missiles before reload. And that's what an RFA vessel is for. The four Eurofighter Typhoons on the Falklands are more than a match for the argie air force. But it's only a “Flight”. How do you reckon a whole squadron? Or two? Have you thought that we consider 1,500 troops are enough to stop the argie army? Personally, I'm not sure that 1,500 are necessary. 500 might be enough. But, hey, why not deploy 1,500 and destroy the argie “army”. And toss the corpses in the ocean for the “fish” to feed on!
@22 islander .
Jul 27th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me - the squatters are an ungrateful bunch of traitors.
You - Norway is really great at managing oil.
Some jobs will be there for some Britons maybe.
....we'll pay for the defence from here on in.
How very kind, rightfully pay your due from here on in, after how long.
Keep the rest to yourself, never mind that if it hadn't been for GB you'd never have the chance. But fk them.
Thats if theres even any oil there.
@33
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He cried, tears dripping down his face, blood shot, glassy eyes.
@33
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite right.......I knew those Islanders were a greedy bunch from the word go.....“The UK economy has already gained some millions from the exploration phase due to Argentina,s refusal to allow itself to be part of of the support infrastructure.”
......and just how many millions have the UK spent protecting in the last 30 years?
How much did the Conflict cost and what about compensating for losses.....human and otherwise.......
Dazzled by the dollar signs and the success of Norway......come back down to earth and pay your moral dues......you make me sick!......You call yourselves British yet sponge off the real British......
@35
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......and just how many millions have the UK spent protecting in the last 30 years?
How much did the Conflict cost and what about compensating for losses.....human and otherwise....... Argentina should really be paying the compensation and clean up, after all they caused the conflict.
Oh and don't think you can play the Falkland islanders and the Britons off one another, with the whole sponging off argument, it wont work.
The Fud took three paragraphs to say “ the Falklands have no commercial oil” What a long winded Fud.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How funny, the morons are trying to drive a wedge between the islanders and the British, good luck with that!
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Depending on how much oil is found and how quickly it is produced, the islanders have already stated their first aim is to cover the costs of their defence. The last numbers I saw were £60m a year.
At 80,000 barrels per day on the Sealion discovery, the net income to the FIG will be around 20,000 barrels per day or between $1.6-2.0m. Conservatively let's say £300m per year.
Paying for their defence costs leaves notionally £240m a year for a sovereign wealth fund.
I would imagine that there is plenty of scope for that fund to be invested in all sorts of things which may directly and indirectly help the UK economy, and should the islanders wish directly assist those most affected by 1982. It is their choice.
Should further discoveries occur, and perhaps Darwin also brought to production, then of course the sovereign wealth fund will continue to grow. The UK would be an ideal place for the islanders to invest should they choose to, just as many international organisations and countries do.
However, as it stands today, Sealion is an excellent way for the islanders to cover their defence costs, invest in their own futures (education, transport, infrastructure) and protect future generations.
The best bit, is not one cent will be smuggled into CFKs secret fraud accounts.
@36
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not playing anyone off anyone .....I'm saying pay your moral debts off first, before deciding how you will spend you ill gotten gains!
Maybe import some women to the great relief of the poor sheep!
36 - that makes me think, given that Argentina... and a large part of mercosur (and latam)... have G.Britain down as being a complete bunch of dix and pirates because of the greedy 1500 squatters on their 12,000 kms and billions of barrels (possibly), exactly how much is that likely to affect GB in the long term.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im sure there will be plenty lost over the years in trade and politics to Joe public back in blighty.
Then again maybe he deserves it. Maybe it will wake people in Britain up....wait a minute, what are we doing trying in the s.atlantic making short term gains....and not even for ourselves, but for a bunch of part time residents...who want to keep it all for themselves, after our boys fought for it and died for them... this is going to screw us in the long-run one day.
And it will.
George Galloway has it right on the malvinas. He knows how to flap his gums, and does it very well....maybe people will start to listen.
@39
Jul 27th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm saying pay your moral debts off first, before deciding how you will spend you ill gotten gains!”
What moral debts? the islanders moved there as colonists living a simple yet quiet and peaceful life as sheep farmers and exporters and then one day they were attacked by armed and aggressive hispanic nut jobs and held at gun point under penalty of death if they resisted. Then the Britons returned and shoved Argentinas egotistic head up its own arse and throw it back into the cesspit it came from. Hurry up and pay your moral debts first you twat.
“Maybe import some women to the great relief of the poor sheep!” Argentina is one of the most openly gay and transgender/sexual filled societies on earth, you don't see me making pathetic jokes.
@40
Wrong, Latam needs Britain a lot more than the Britain needs Latam. Who do you think exports more from whom? Most other counties in SA aren't going to bugger themselves economically just because Argentina has the occasional hissy-fit. Just how well did your threats of suing us go with the rest of latam joining you? It didn't they ignored you.
#40
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0G.G is only trying to get into CFK's knickers ! What a thought ?
Us ?Who are “us”
Indeed watch the folk in the UK when the oil starts flowing........and Joe Public starts thinking.......“hey wait a minute, I thought these were our islands......British Ain't they, so how come these chancers are getting the dosh!
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch the public opinion change.....for the worse!
......and I didn't mean all you Falky sycophants......I meant the real Joe Public!
The ones in the high street that say......”Oh yeah Thatcher was right after all....I've heard we've now got loads of oil coming”.......This is what Joe Public really thinks!
From Voicedover to Vestinka they tink they can split the Brits up over the Falkland Islands. The silly Fud is all wet in anticipation but just never gets it. Keep on dreaming Argylander & just haud yer weesht an get oan wae it yer wee willie winka. Its the closest you're ever gonna come.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 041-
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Latam needs Britain a lot more than the Britain needs Latam”.
Firstly - dead wrong and very simplistic.
Secondly - if that were the case, then for how long.
Surely with just Argentina alone these days choosing where possible to buy elsewhere some small consequences are felt in English towns and cities. Thanks to the “kelpers” ... (who incidentally want to keep any oil revenue, now theres a deal)
Theres no need for any grand action or hissy fits, mercosur countries will just gradually over the years, in various meetings attended by Argentina, drop British commercial and political interests as they do presently. All to the detriment of the GB public, but at least they get to keep the empire alive (yup), and keep 1500 part timers wealthy ... and get to be called pirates wherever they travel in the world.
The right thing for the campers to do, if they have any loyalty to the flag they fly (and dress up in, in the case of certain fat simpletons) whatsoever, would be to at least put the islands future in GB's hands, the same hands that guard them and fought for them. The same country that is affected by them, the same country that built them and had its people die for them. The place that educates them and where most of the population were born.
7. Transparency and accountability must be present throughout the hydrocarbon development process from all parties involved.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Darwin Lewis Clifton
If what is in the falklands belongs to CFK XXXsorry argentina,,,
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does this also mean that all the wealth and resourses in Argentina, belongs to the falklnds,????
(46) Marcos Alejandro
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Transparency and accountability = Darwin Lewis Clifton = :-))))))))))))))))))
@45
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'am afraid you are wrong there chum, when have any other countries in SA actually openly sided with Argentina and taken true economic action the United Kingdom??? errr.......Never. Why? because they don't actually care much for your claims to our islands and people. Business is business and whining on and on like a fucking 6 year old is not business. If they truly cared for your claims every country in Latam would cancel all trade treaties and export and import items but they don't, why? Because they don't care. Why would they council trade and economic negotiation with the UK a country that is home to the financial capital of the world and the 6th largest economy?
Agreed....
Jul 27th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but some argies wont, lol.
Excellent set of rules. I do hope the Islanders are successful in keeping to them and don't p@@@ it up the wall like successive Govt. in the UK did with the North Sea oil.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - you still believe that Argentina has a claim ?? With so much evidence to the contrary ?? How strange. Your blind acceptance of Argentine Government propaganda is disturbing.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still no mind of your own ?
:-)
@ Think & Vestige.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is that you genuinely believe the UK to be still imperial in 2013 and this is not just your rhetoric. As a result you can't understand why the UK would support the FIs even if it costs us (a small amount of) money. Perhaps the Argentine attitude is that you would only help someone if there was something in it for you. But in the UK we believe in sticking up for the little guy against the bully. That you are so obsessed with money and resources says so little about your national character. For the sake of £60M I'd rather the islanders paid nothing at all just so that there is no misunderstanding that this is a matter of principle for the UK and not of resources or capital.
@53
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the sake of 60M..........it has cost the UK taxpayer........£3 Billion for the conflict and approximately a further 1.5 Billion to date.......£4.5 Billion!
Pay it back Greedy Islanders!
(53) Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is that you genuinely believe the UK to be the “Goodies of the Movie” and this is not just your rhetoric.... As a result you can't understand that the UK are the “Baddies of the Movie” using the 12.000 km2 of the Malvinas Islands and their 2,500 English squatters as a spearhead to clain 12.000.000 km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory..... The English attitude has always been to help someone only if there was something in it for England. That's what England has and is all about... You have, during the past 500 years, been obsessed with money and resources ....That's your national character.
NOTHING is a “matter of principle” for England.... EVERYTHING is about resources or capital.
As the fresh example of Tony Bliar's Iraqui war so cleraly demostrated.....
A spearhead? They've been there 180 years. Our politicians tried to get rid of them in the 60s and 70s but only the fascist invasion forced HMG into having to properly defend them. That British blood was spilt in so doing simply copper-fastens the UK determination to defend the islanders' freedom in perpetuity. That you blew your chance to persuade the islanders when you had the chance is your tough luck.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the £4.5Billion your sock puppet alludes to, the UK exchequer pays more than this every single year to cover the fiscal shortfall in Wales and the same again in Northern Ireland. If this amount covers 30 year's worth of costs for the Falklands then that is fantastic value and much cheaper than Iraq which we shouldn't have been involved in. Were we treasure seeking when we sent peace-keepers into Bosnia, Kosovo or Sierra Leone?
As for dragging up 500 years, that is my entire point. We stopped being imperial 60 years ago and gave independence to everyone who wanted it. I can't and won't defend what went before but the UK is not the Victorian Empire empire of old. To pretend it still is good for your SA rhetoric but unhelpful if you are genuinely trying to understand the situation.
A-Voice- are you dumb? Which Country had benefitted to the tune of several hundred £millions income to date from the labour and logistics and materials support to the explotation programme to date?
Jul 27th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer - UK.
Which country will benefit the most from the £3 billion investment over the next X years in the seaLion field development in the supply of labour ,logistics amd materials?
Answer = UK
Which Country will benefit the most from the spending of future FI Govts on infrastructure and expertise etc spending some oil revenues
Answer = UK
Whiich country will in time find that its cost of defending the Falklands satert to get repaid to it? That is not laid down in black and white I agree as it is a decision up to us Islanders and the situation has not yet arrived - but I can assure you that is how we think.
Answer = UK
And finally - which country could have been and yet could be benefitting from a lot of the above it it was not so childish?
Answer = Argentina.
A_Voice
Jul 27th, 2013 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Defence costs of the Falklands - small money compared to what the EU takes every year
54 A_Voice
Jul 27th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ONLY country who should pay that kind of money is The Dark Country itself in reparations for the 1982 war THAT YOU LOST.
The Blessed Margaret made one mistake: she listened to Ray Gun Ronnie who asked her not to make the cunts in Argentina look like what they are BIG CUNTS and so she did not pursue the rightful claim.
And look how it has turned out: you make yourself into the planets BIGGEST CUNTS no help needed.
Glad to clear things up for you.
@57
Jul 27th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously not as dumb as you confusing private company investment with the UK Govt. So tell me which Nationalised company is benefiting?........
British people pay British taxes to a British Govt for their defence........you don't!
You don't even pay Council Tax or VAT........Spongers!.....Free loaders......Parasites!......Take your pick!
@58 Alan
Small unnecessary money........it all adds up.
@60aVoiceof Thinkedover
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Obviously not as dumb as you confusing private company investment with the UK Govt. So tell me which Nationalised company is benefiting?........
British people pay British taxes to a British Govt for their defence........you don't!
You don't even pay Council Tax or VAT........Spongers!.....Free loaders......Parasites!......Take your pick!”
Ha ha, so indignant of you, Mr. Galloway!!!
;-D
@59
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! not a single mention of yourself........no..... when I's... at all. Did my counselling help you in some small way? Now, about that swearing......were you repressed as a child? Was it frowned upon, do you feel some sort of power or release when you are able to express yourself in this way?
@61
Hey Troy........glad to take your insults......thought you were avoiding me.
A_Voice
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ships have got to sail somewhere - rather around the falklands than getting in the way in the English Channel. No one knows where the subs are? The army are coming back from Germany, so might as well go to the Falklands for training etc. Two Tornados - as with the ships, might as well be stationed in the Falklands as in the UK. The bottom line is that the Falklands have to be defended. Good job A_truth wasn't in charge in 1940 or at the time of the Cold War. You would have made peace with Hitler and saved the money appeasing the Soviet Union - “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile , hoping it will eat him last” - Churchill
(56) Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“ We stopped being imperial 60 years ago and gave independence to everyone who wanted it.”
I say....:
You were forced to stop being Imperial some 60 years ago and you were forced to relinquish most conquested territories and let most Colonies go......
The South-Atlantic Islands and the Antarctic are, of course, one of the few remnants of your haughty Colonial past......
Why did you give away half of the Antarctic Continent to your Australian and New Zealand Ex-Colonies whilst keeping your Colonial claim over the Chilean and Argentinean Islands and Antarctic sectors?
Because you thought you could get away with it..........that's why.
Think
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How could we give half of the Antartic Continent away, if you say we don't own it.
39 A_Voice (#).....Wow...here we have a lil Argie rodent yapping about “Morals”....ahaaaaaaaaaaaa...just had to laugh,as “Morals” may as well be a tropical fruit as far as any Argie is concerned...!!
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, is there any BOT or constituent region of the UK that wants independence that we are preventing from attaining independence? Then is there any territory we don't currently posses that we want to take, or, is there any territory we previously possessed that we want back?
Jul 27th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No? So we aren't imperial anymore are we?
In contrast Think, is there any territory that Argentina doesn't possess that it wants, despite the wishes of the inhabitants. Yes?
Then you are the imperials not us.
67 Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhhhh.....Your poor little English cookies.......!
Is the big ugly Argentinean imperialist bothering you.......?
In your ancestral South-Atlantic/Antarctic core territory......
Think
Jul 27th, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not bothering me - in fact Argentina consistenly provides me with a laugh. Where's your ancestral home - Italy,Spain. No doubt some poor indian has had to be move(or killed) to make way for you. Argentina has no culture(I dont count a dance) or done anything to improve the world. Ironically the Indians you displaced probaby had a culture that could have provided the world with something.
Somewhere up there was a comment along the lines of 'we look out for the little guys and protect them from bullies'
Jul 27th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..... somewhere in the world a chagos islander laughed ...and then cried.
then there was ' no one knows where the subs are' ... true enough, in fact most Britons don't even know what or where the falklands are.
What about the Qom people - are they laughing/crying?
Jul 27th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many people in Britain know where the Falklands are in the world. They just don't know where Argentina is - they think its a joke or created by Andrew Lloyd Webber to make a show around
Amazing how that three letter word OIL can cause so much controversy between nations. Anyone would think that their very existence solely relied on oil as their bread and butter.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland islanders have for most of their existence survived very well from their regular activities and Oil when pumped will not change us as a people but simply make us as a country very rich.
Personally I and most other Islanders are unlikely to have any change in our daily pay packet as a result of oil. However as a Country we will prosper and grow because of it.
Argentina on the other hand threw away every opportunity we Islanders offered them to share in this bonanza because they refused to accept that we are a people. Now they are going to be among the laughing stock of their neighbours for not at the very least letting us extend our hand of friendship.
Argentina will now have to live with their actions and watch this tiny little country forge ahead in the next few decades.
Think Thought he could out Think us but think his plans were flawed right from the start. Think he needs to re-think his plans.
Think = Vestige = A Voice = El Capitano = DoD = The Surfer
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Credibility check anyone.
Chuckle chuckle
On the upside though Vestige, at least the Chagos Islanders aren't thirsty, like they would be on the Chagos islands.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yes I do know where & what the Falklands are, they are a small, peaceful country 300 miles away from a large belligerent country that wants to colonise them. They used to be a 1000 miles away but the large country wanted to be larger and so colonised Patagonia and so now its 300 miles.
Think - Argentina doesn't bother me, but it bothers its smaller neighbours - that is the point I was making.
So what have we learnt today?
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/ There's oil but not that much
Then companies involved will lose money and the Falkland Islanders will be no better or worse off
2/ There's oil, but it won't be worth much
I shall file this away with the peak oil prediction
3/ They're finding oil everywhere now
Well considering it won’t be worth that much (see point 2), it is a moot point
4/ The Islands are “far away from everything”
Unfortunately not far enough from Argentina
5/ The Islands are “politically inflamed”
What has this prevented so far?
6/ Maybe import some women to the great relief of the poor sheep!
No more dating advice from A_Voice
7/ The UK doesn't think long term but Argentina does.
And yet all claims predate Argentina’s. Now that is forethought
8/ It has cost the UK taxpayer £4.5 Billion in defence so far
Aaah blaming the rape victim. Always a winner. Why is this defence spending needed?
9/ The Falklands exist to spearhead claim to 12.000.000 km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory
A claim predating everyone else’s.
Is it because the area is unclaimable?
Or because other countries didn’t think of it first (see point 7)
10/ UK gave away half of the Antarctic Continent to Aus and NZ while keeping a claim to the Chilean and Argentinean Antarctic sectors?
Interesting:
1832 Arg assertion of claim to Falkland Islands
1833 UK reasserts sovereignty to Falkland Islands
1841 UK first claim on Antarctica (no where near Falkland Islands)
1908 UK claim Antarctica between 50 deg & 80 deg west longitude
1917 UK update above claim to South Pole
1923 UK transfer one claim to NZ
1933 UK transfer another claim to Aus
1940 Chile claim territory in Antarctica that overlaps UK’s 32 year old claim
1942 Argentina claim territory in Antarctica that overlaps UK’s 34 year old claim and Chile’s 2 year old claim.
Seems there was no Argentine or Chilean sectors in 1923 and 1933.
Probably not, cause no-one came out with that kind of ... line... in support of Argentina.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GB was right when it had the idea to negotiate the islands. For the greater good of its citizens.
Think about that, even 40 odd years ago they were saying 'look this doesn't make sense'. Then war happens, we know the story by now.
From there on in... its a noble cause for all blighty to defend against the evil rg's. very well, each to his own.
BUT........ whatever happened to the sensible option previously worked on by London itself, what happened to the reports and papers that said 'this is stupid and is going to hit us dis-proportionally in the long run, its a poor investment and unwise'.
Imho such ideas got covered up by copies of 'the sun' and filed by political parties under the title - ' unquestionable jingoism' or 'dear god don't ever even question this, we'll be hung by murdocks mindless automatons'.
76
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot has changed since 1982. What may not have seemed economically viable in the 70s no longer applies.
And, although you won't acknowledge it, we will be paying the UK back. Arrears and future costs.
A.Voice 60 - Yes private companies in UK will be getting the work from the oil companies - they and their employees who do the work - pay things called taxes - to the British Govt. Those that are employed in UK making things also spend their money in shops and pubs etc in UK - giving profits to those businesses also - who pay taxes to the British Govt.
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Falklands contributions to the UK currently - well our taxes here pay for the building of 2 -4 family houses a year at the military base which are then handed over to the British Min of Defence.
We Islanders pay the British Military approx £2.25 million a year to travel on their own flights which they have to0 run anyway for their own personel movements - they probably spend £0.25million on food and extra fuel moving us, so thats another £2 million we pay UK.
Then even today we c=hire from the Uk many special skills and pay those people a good salary - a lot of that finds its way back into the Uk - and why not. Also we buy from Britain every year millions of £s of British made goods - that means those suppliers workers and businesses gain from us and pay tax accordingly.
So you will find that we do actually contribute quite a bit for our population and size to the UK PLC.
Vestige-70 - I can assure you - they probably do not know of the day/weekly squeals of Kirschener - but thanks to her craziness and that of the Junta before - the great majority in UK DO know where the Falklands are .
CFK does a great job for the Islands in many ways!
( 74) Redrow
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“at least the Chagos Islanders aren't thirsty, like they would be on the Chagos islands.”
I say.....:
And yet another gullible Englishman that swallows anything their government serves them on a plate. (Whilst, at the same time assuming foreign people to being brainwashed!)
For example the false story of the lack of fresh water in the Chagos Archipelago.
Do yourself a favor, Mr Redrow.....“Surf” the Internet for a few minutes about the existence of abundant surface drinking water in the Chagos Archipelago.
You will be surprised......................
You say further....:
“300 miles”
I say....:
192 miles to be precise......
Googlearth it.....
Vestige
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 01st duty of any govt. - defend its citizens.
Deadbeat at 79
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When are you going to log on as DoD again. I miss that character. I used to love reading his bullet hole-ridden tales of meals at Blue Beach and his wife driving miles and miles in freezing conditions, past several other supermarkets, just to get to her beloved Waitrose in Dover. But the best stories were the ones about how he was a senior military officer (retired) in HM Forces. They were highly entertaining. And his selfless mission to claw back Falklands money to pay for the welfare of UK veterans.
Do entertain us again by dusting him off for a couple of posts. Don't be upset that he was soooooo outed.
All this malvinista talk of thieves and squatters...I wonder if Marcelo Kohen might be able to get a few digs in at the Falklanders when talking about Uti Possidetis and Maritime Delimitations?
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://untreaty.un.org/cod/avl/ls/Kohen_BD_video_1.html
Did I miss it or is he having to keep his gob shut about Argentina's expansionist fantasy?
(81) Joe Bloggs
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I miss that character too....
Especially the stories about Nelson & Nigger.....
Hope they are all well, enjoying long walks along the Dover cliffs.
Think
Jul 27th, 2013 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you support the Chagois, you will surely support the Falkland Islanders right to self determination.
(74) Redrow
Jul 28th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's an easily understandable link for you...... if you are having difficulties finding info about fresh drinking water availability on Chagos Island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia#Fresh_water_supply
@82 Marcelo Kohen is a specialist who proposes to finalize the Malvinas dispute in the International Court of Justice.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately Marcelo Kohen bases his arguments on the claim that the UK invaded the islands and expelled the inhabitants in January 1833, a claim which is demonstratably false. Furthermore he uses the concept of Uti Possidetis to claim that Argentina “inherited” the islands from Spain . Unfortunately the islands were never a part of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, who's geographical limits are well documented. Instead the islands were part of the Spanish navy and authority was vested in a separate governorship who by the time of the independance revolutions answered to the authorities in Montevideo.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think
Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say further....:
“300 miles”
I say....:
192 miles to be precise......
Googlearth it.....
I also had a look at Martín García Island at 34° 10′ 47.4″ S, 58° 15′ 0″ W
and do you know what? it is in Uruguayan waters, funny that
The old fud gets poked again. Wonder if he'll be taking his two imaginary dogs, Walter and Mitty, for a walk later, in the rain.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0#86 - I have debated with Marcelo Kohen .... He is doomed to failure. His knowledge of history is truly deplorable for someone claiming to be an 'academic' rather than being a political appointee (which he denies). I would have thought that being on the losing side during the Kosovo deliberations would have taught him something.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently not.
#87 - well said :-)
@90
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting comments. Thanks
@ Think
Jul 28th, 2013 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't be a “gullible Englishman”, not being English and that.
As for the usual rhetorical diversions from you, I certainly do understand why you resort to them instead of actually discussing the issues at hand. I pointed out that your squealing about oil requires you to actually do something e.g. go to the ICJ. The islands will still be there in a 100 years but the oil apparently won't be so it is time now to put up or shut up.
(92) Redrow
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say.....:
“As for the usual rhetorical diversions from you, I certainly do understand why you resort to them instead of actually discussing the issues at hand.”
I say...:
1) I have been ”discussing the issue at hand” since my post Nr. (1)….
2) It was YOU, at your post (74), who mentioned the “Official English Lie” about the inexistence of drinking water in the Chagos Islands as an excuse to deport its inhabitants….
3) I have seen that “Official English Lie” repeated mantra-wise by a variety of Anglo Turnips during the time I have been posting here….
4) Every time they mention it, I contest that “Official English Lie” with the truth about the availability of drinking water in the Chagos Islands…: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia#Fresh_water_supply)
5) Needles to say; none of them brainwashed Anglo turnips (that seems to include you) ever responded to my rebuttal of the “Official English Lie” they, themselves, had mentioned….
Furthermore………… You tell me, at (28) to“STFU”... and later at (92) to “ shut up.”
What can I say.......... Twice in the same thread, you ask me to “Shut Up”....
Quite a brainwashed haughty English way to conduct a debate, on internet or otherwise...., I “Think”....
....and so do I.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be so miserable & downcast, Think.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just accept that you will never get our oil & never get our land.
We don't really need anything from you that we can't get elsewhere, so l guess that you won't get any of our trade either.
But hey, you're living in Paradise(so you all say!), so you don't need our land, oil etc either.
But try to have a nice day, anyway.
ls it haughty to tell the truth?
btw-whats there to debate about?
js.
(96) Chere lsolde...
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know, I'll luuuuv to debate with you, honey dahling......
But; as I've told you before, your comments need more “meat”....
Try to ask your husband about something intelligent to write about.... ;-)
Cher Think,
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK Think & you ask your husband as well.
Perhaps we could have a 4 way discussion?
“we will be paying the UK back. Arrears and future costs”
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0good luck with that, how many billions are we talking about, past and present.
and future (GB) costs ... well I think they'll be growing at a quicker pace than you can imagine or ever cover.
heres the tip of the iceberg. the politically visible bit. The sentiment.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp6ief_argentina-calls-on-its-companies-to-cut-uk-imports_news
Somewhere in Germany, Poland, Mexico, China etc etc a local ships a crate and thanks the campers for their (would be) British jobs.
Sleep well.
Thank goodness someone is telling her.......
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same old rhetoric in every post.....
It's Our Land.....
It's our Oil....
You will Never have it......
Yawn.......Borrring!
The Ants that live under the paving on my Patio... Think it's their Patio........It's My Patio!
Old Father Time then smiles at me.......Your Patio?......for the blink of an eye maybe!
For goodness sake come up with some new material......instead of suggesting a Four-Way with Think........you little devil!
Vestige
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You live in a dream world. Just feed the Chinese - let the rest of the world be the brains.
...and what have we got trolls after over 90 posts on this subject. The same old RG lies and insults. It remains clear that Think, Voice, Vestige and the other nutjobs paid by Gollum are no further forward. They remain 'entertainment' . And.. RGland sinks further into the third world.. What a waste of a beautiful country populated by morons!
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oil is likely be pumped at some stage in the next few years? Yes?
Argentina could have been involved but chose not to? Yes?
If the islanders are doing something illegal then the ICJ could stop them? Yes?
So Argentina neither wants to share in the enterprise nor put a legal stop to it.
In which case why did you write what you did in Post 1?
“Put up or shut up” is a rhetorical expression of incredulity that you are still arguing a lost cause when you could actually do something about it - assuming your legal argument stands up in court (which I doubt but that would be for the ICJ to decide). It's like attending the wedding of a former girlfriend and shouting at the guests that the bride actually still loves you. If you are right then you have a very brief window in which to fix the situation, otherwise you are simply humiliating yourself and annoying someone you could still be friends with. Hence, my use of “put up or shut up”. I believe the Americans have a more scatological equivalent expression.
Personally, I think the Islanders rules are pretty impressive as we in the UK have largely squandered our own oil wealth rather than investing it for the future. Can you not at least take comfort that a SA community might be trying to do something better than its UK associate?
A_Voice
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have never said it is my land/my oil etc. The land / oil belongs to the Falkland Islanders - an small(but very important) distinction.
(98) Chere lsolde
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhhhh……... Women……
Wonderful creatures…..... God bless you……
No matter if from Namibia, Nicaragua or Niugini ….. Impossible to tell apart ;-)
“Vestige and the other nutjobs paid by Gollum are no further forward.”
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0...I can get paid for this ?? :O
I bet I can get a good rate, Im second only to Think imho.
(oh and 101...industrial is Arg's biggest sector)
(103) Redrow
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“Personally, I think the Islanders rules are pretty impressive as we in the UK have largely squandered our own oil wealth rather than investing it for the future. Can you not at least take comfort that a SA community might be trying to do something better than its UK associate?”
I say....:
That's exactly what I do at post (1) when saying...: “Excellent set of rules”.....
You don't say....:
.......Anything about your brainwashed post (74).
I say.....:
Chuckle chuckle©
Can I get paid too?........will they get in touch.......PayPal?......I'm Keen!
Jul 28th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@104 alan
I was referring to the Swinger Isolde unless you consider yourself a “Her”......I have never thought of you as a she......Alan!
@108 A_Voice,
Jul 28th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l know that l repeat myself over & over, re OUR land.
l find that one has to do such things with the backwards malvinistas on here. They don't seem to get the message otherwise.
l think you will find that Raul is as obstinate as l am.
Like him, l will not listen to anything that you have to say because l know that the bottom line is that you want us out of here by fair means or foul.
What a pity he is a deluded malvinista.
And just for you, M'sieur A_Voice, l will reiterate.
This is OUR land(that means that it is NOT yours & you have NO RIGHTS here)& don't you ever forget it, bozo.
And btw, Think is past it. He could never stand the pace.
@105 Think,
l agree with you, women are wonderful creatures.
Can you get paid? You are paid, probably in $. Very entertaining, all of you too. Our thanks to Gollum. If there is any chance of this excellent Argentinean service being discontinued due to financial difficulties we'll be pleased to send a few barrels to make up the shortfall :D .
Jul 28th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like the references to the English being haughty. This is a conclusion reached by foreigners conditioned by watching Holywood movies where the nasty bad guy is always English, Orr too much Maggie Smith from Downton Abbey. It is particularly exacerbated by consumption of too much single malt (and porridge)
@107 Think
Jul 28th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige brought up the Chagossians in post 70, and as it's not relevant to the current issue I made a single off-hand remark. I fully understand why Brit-haters like to bring up DG as it is clearly our international weakspot. But I'm surprised Malvinistas raise it so often as you either believe in self-determination or you don't. Quite frankly if the islanders want to return there and declare independence or to associate themselves with Mauritius etc then that is fine by me.
So now that I have engaged with you on Chagos and expressed that I would be perfectly happy to see the complete withdrawal of the UK from the Chagos situation, will you now engage with my point regarding the Falklands? That is, given that Argentina withdrew from the oil negotiations and now refuses to intervene legally, then this matter is now effectively settled? Correct? Anything else is just you raging at your own (national) impotence.
@35 Unlike argieland, the UK doesn't constantly wander around with its begging bowl held out. I know you won't understand, but the UK is constitutionally obliged to take responsibility for the defence and foreign relations of the Falkland Islands. So the Islanders don't owe anything. You won't understand because argieland doesn't comply with its own constitution!
Jul 28th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 I'm afraid you don't understand. Are you a latino? Then you can't understand. But I'll give you a clue. Go wander around the world. See how much Brits built, created, devised, engineered. And then we gave it all away!
@43 Sorry. WRONG!!
@45 Nope. Wrong again. No-one in the UK is waiting for Falklands oil. So no-one will miss it. Your “attempt” to set Brits against the Islanders won't work.
@54 Sorry. Chickenfeed.
@55 Sorry. We don't “claim” anything. The Falklands Archipelago is ours. South Georgia is ours. The South Sandwich Islands are ours. The British Antarctic Territory is ours. And argieland has just come running along behind. Always useless.
@60 Thicko!
@64 Another thicko! Thanks for agreeing that the South Atlantic Islands and Antarctica are British! And what we do with OUR possessions is OUR business. Not yours.
@68 Not really. How you getting on with supplying your bases?
@76 We have a problem in the UK. It's called the Foreign & Commonwealth Office. It has the strange idea that giving foreigners what they want will somehow be good for the UK. Every so often the rest of us have to gather round and give it a good kicking. Much as we did with argieland!
@79 Somehow I don't think relying on rain is a good idea!
@85 Did you read it all? Did you understand any of it?
@99 You just don't get it. Let us know when you join reality.
@100 When the ants have mutated. After the nuclear explosions.........
@105 Blind as well.........
@106 The rate is a peso a month.
@107 Mad giggling doesn't help!
@108 Why would male or female matter to an argie?
(111) Redrow
Jul 28th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sooooo...., What are you telling us about the “Chagos Issue”...?
That you, personally, side with the weak, Dominated People against the strong Dominating People…?
But anyhow you choose to replicate to us the lies of the Dominating People…?
Either you are brainwashed, ignorant or just lying....... Which is it?
The OBVIOUS difference between the “Chagos Issue” and the “Malvinas Issue” is that....:
A) The Chagossians are the Dominated People…
B) The English Squatters in Malvinas are the Dominating People…
Dominating English Squatters, backed by the English nuclear military machinery, whose English or Island born British squidllonaire political representatives (clad in Saville Road suits and with summer residences on the Cote D’Azur), raise more than an eyebrow at the UN and other International Fora when having the “Chutzpah” of appearing in front of them claiming to be a “Helpless Dominated People”, threatened by Argentina…….
To finish, answering your insistent plea to us Argentineans to take the Malvinas Issue to the ICJ or to STFU as you so graphically put it………
...........I will just repeat what another poster recently wrote….:
“There’s more than one way to skin a cat…..”
Well...... There certainly are…..
@110
Jul 28th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“foreigners conditioned by watching Holywood movies where the nasty bad guy is always English, Orr too much Maggie Smith from Downton Abbey”
Hollywood? .......Downton Abbey is a British period drama television series!
.......I eat porridge for breakfast with a Shape yoghurt on top.....delicious and a good complex carbohydrate!
@111
...........”raging at your own (national) impotence.”
Same old cliché.........For your own country it's Patriotism and for everyone else it's Nationalism!
@109
Ah someone else I may be able to help.......So this fixation on owning and possession does it stem from poverty? Were you deprived as a child? It's not real as I inferred earlier it's only a life lease!
........alluding to the Ménage à quatre was a Freudian slip then.....I can understand the Islands must be a bit isolated.......
But where do you go to my lovely
When you're alone in your bed
Tell me the thoughts that surround you
I want to look inside your head, yes I do.
@112
Only one reference to Blowing up RG's.. but forever prevalent in your post's .......I can see a word association in your thoughts......is it ......Blowing RG's instead?
@ Think
Jul 28th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Either you are brainwashed, ignorant or just lying....... Which is it?”
OK, OK I'm ignorant, what's your excuse?
I'm sorry to hear that 3000 FIs are dominating 42 million Argentinians, it must be terrible for you. The way they try to ignore you must be really hurtful to your feelings. You try so hard to get them to like you with your blockades and invasions and name-calling and yet there they are just getting on with their lives, the heartless, yet industrious dominators. Like i said earlier we Brits like to stick up for the little guy so if you ever need our help just let us know. Though frankly if 3000 FIs can run rings round a colonial bully then i'm not sure that this former colonial bully can help you much. My advice is just to ignore them for a while and then watch them come running to you when they need advice on how to mismanage their resources. Then you can puff your chest out and show them who's boss!
@90 Lord Ton: Well, maybe learn something, you always learn and even in defeat. Anyway the Kosovo case is very different to Malvinas case.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe someday I can argue with you on these issues, as it did with Marcelo.
Isolde
Jul 28th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cher Think,
OK Think & you ask your husband as well.
Perhaps we could have a 4 way discussion?”
“Think is past it and could never keep up the pace”
Ha ha, very funny !!!
THAT told the old misogynist, he was so emasculated that he had to bring in “A_Voice” to back him up!
I think you succeeded in pissing him off.
Think,
The American phrase that Redrow was referring to so delicately, was “Sh!t, or get off the pot!”
@115
Jul 28th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your are getting all confused.....referencing FI's and Brits separately......let me explain.....they are British. So it's not 3000........sorry 1500 it is the British population and influence......against Argentina. Now tell me how many million is that and how much firepower and nuke capability.......Don't bother I already know!
......and I do agree with you, you do appear to be ignorant!
(115) Redrow
Jul 28th, 2013 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm indeed pissed about the 62million Brits and their nuclear military machinery trying to dominate us, 42 million Argentineans....
I'm indeed pissed about the 62million Brits and their nuclear military machinery trying to steal 12 million km2 of Argentinean territory....
I'm indeed pissed about the 62million Brits and their nuclear military machinery misusing and degrading the concept of Peoples Self-Determination in their self-interest.....
@119 Think
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now that was a bit weird.......did you write that at the same time as me or did you see what I had posted?
Maybe someday Mercopress can gather, Think, Isolde, Monty69, Lord Ton and me. It would be fun!
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(120) A_Voice
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Weird....? Why....?
Just two people answering, simultaneously, a falacious argument with the truth....
Ps:
(Admitedly, it was a bit weird ;-)
121 - lets gather ... armed with heavy sticks, on a rotating plate with spikes like flash gordon, yankeeboy is peter duncan, i gave him fair warning.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRTB-FTMdk
@123 hahahahahahahaha :-))))))))))))))
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that's the end of this thread, just the Trolls impotently rambling now...
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think/Voice
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our nuclear arsenal is no threat to you as it is for defence purposes only against other nuclear powers. We didn't use it or threaten to use it last time when you invaded the FIs so how is it relevant now? We can't threaten the ICJ with nuclear weapons either so they would be free to find for Argentina should the evidence support that. I can only assume that your country is filing the court papers as we speak because otherwise you and your sock puppets are just a busted flush.
@125
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....you could lead the way and contribute something relevant to the thread for once!
An original thought perhaps.......a rarity from you, I know!
@123
Funny .....but I had Conqueror in mind.....watching it!.....Put em up...Put em up!
106 Vestige
Jul 28th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wherever I look re Argentian production, it says “packing and processing of foodstuffs is the oldest and most important industry in Argentina”.
127thinkvoiceover
Jul 28th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see anything original out of you, except some fabricated identities.
You repeat the same old hackneyed arguments and contrived political positions that have been refuted over and over again.
You and the other propagandists are only parroting Gollem's far-fetched gambits to make political ground,
“Malvinas were stolen from us!”
“The Falklands are a nuclear threat!”
puh-leeez...
It is fair game to comment on such nonsense if you insist on repeating it.
I am as entitled to do so as much as anyone else. Too bad if you don't like it.
I can understand the pressure you are under.
As a paid “sh!t disturber”, you are obligated to somehow support the bizarre assertions that Timmerman, CFK, and the rest of the Kirchnerist clowns put out there. Getting a lot more difficult isn't it?
The last thing you need is someone sniping at you whilst you try to divert discussion and sow your subversion.
You really are “Comical Ali”, Voice of Argentina.
You are a lying propagandist and a would-be thief.
Carry on with your 'righteous indignation', it makes me laugh!!
(121) Malvinense 1833 & (123) Vestige
Jul 28th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be an interesting meeting indeed
I reckon we would look a bit like my favourite Zef group….:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw
@114 Sorry to disappoint you. My idea of “blowing RGs” is firing a 5.56 NATO round down its prick!
Jul 28th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@118 Ah, the power of argie “education”. Let us try to explain. The “British” Falkland Islands population is 2,932. This is known as a British Overseas Territory. Get it? Overseas. Approximately 7,000 miles away is the UK population of 63,181,775. That is “responsible” for those Islands and their defence. Now here is the connection. If YOU attack those 2,932 people, the representatives of the 63,181,775 will come looking for you. And they've done that before, haven't they? Nuke capability? More than you would like to receive. Here's a clue. The warhead to a Trident missile can have 12 multiple independently targetable vehicles. So 160 warheads includes 1,920 MIRVs. Yield is around 80 kilotons per MIRV.
@127 At what point in time and your fantasies could you have anything “in mind”? As has been fully researched on this site, argieland has a severe shortage of “minds”. It is understood that, amongst 41,660,417 argies, there are only 4 minds. None in the “government”. None in “La Campora”. Only a couple get on here. Simon68 is one. You aren't. A perfect example of big mouth, no brain.
@129
Jul 28th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Troy my man.....
.......... 'righteous indignation'.......moi?
Hehe you are so predictable........and so easily manipulated.......
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while
I .....wonder if one day that, you'll say that, you care
If you say you love me madly, I'll gladly, be there
Like a puppet on a string........
Roll up, Roll up .....watch my Super Marionette show...... he can do tricks! I can make him swear!........anything you like!
'The ALBA summit ready for a new look at the social movements ~ ...Indeed, in the previous summit in Caracas, Bolivarian body discussed the possibility of punishing the United Kingdom for its resistance to dialogue with Argentina about the controversy between both countries around the islands...'
Jul 28th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://informe21.com/politica/la-alba-lista-para-una-nueva-cumbre-ante-la-mirada-de-movimientos-sociales
'Wish you were here? Sean Penn and Pink Floyd's Roger Waters spend a boys' night out in Rome - Sean Penn, 52, and Roger Waters, 69, were spotted going for dinner together in Rome on Saturday...'
http://informe21.com/politica/la-alba-lista-para-una-nueva-cumbre-ante-la-mirada-de-movimientos-sociales
'Victory flunk? - CFK’s coalition is trailing, but the race is not over'
http://informe21.com/politica/la-alba-lista-para-una-nueva-cumbre-ante-la-mirada-de-movimientos-sociales
'The lady is for turning - Not the first time Cristina has changed her views'
http://informe21.com/politica/la-alba-lista-para-una-nueva-cumbre-ante-la-mirada-de-movimientos-sociales
And still the Union Flag flies high and proud over these our beautiful and resource rich Falkland Islands, South Georgia and other South Atlantic territories and maritime space. The pissed off fud says “12 million km2” - excellent news, makes you proud to be British. Rule Britannia!
Jul 28th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@131
Jul 28th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ouooo......Touchy, you did you see yourself in that clip then?
@134
Ahh! When humiliated on a thread fall back onto Rule “Britannia”.......
Italian isn't it?......Roman?.......Woman wearing a Corinthian helmet carrying a Greco/Roman Trident......(Poseidon/Neptune) or Greek letter L ......
Johnny Foreigners!
@132think
Jul 28th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ah Troy my man.....
.......... 'righteous indignation'.......moi?
Hehe you are so predictable........and so easily manipulated.......”
Sure, Think.
I know that your indignation is usually feigned for the sake of effect or an attempt to enhance your credibility.
“ I was just saying silly things in order to get a reaction from you” - that's your standard response when you have no other comeback - weak.
Do your masters have anything new or original for you to spout?
”The British(thieves) do anything for a common good, rather than their selfish interests“
Jul 28th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 Jul 2013
”Lockerbie bomber release linked to arms deal, according to secret letter“
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10206659/Lockerbie-bomber-release-linked-to-arms-deal-according-to-secret-letter.html
”Prince George should never be King of Scots, says pro-independence chairman”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10206659/Lockerbie-bomber-release-linked-to-arms-deal-according-to-secret-letter.html
Poor England, not even the countries stuck to them by nature want to be part of this falling empire(once upon a time)
No matter what we do, when or where we do it,
Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s nothing to do with Argentina,
CFK has turned a once great nation into a deluded indoctrinated society,
A lost puppy sitting on the cliff top whimpering as the world goes by,
Perhaps, rather than stealing something that is not yours,
You would do better, to get rid of the cloned cow, and get a decent government, Frack your own oil ,
Find your own gas, pay ya bills and get back the respect you lost decades ago,
The world laughs at you, yet you don’t even know it,
You have been reduced to paupers with begging bowls,
Stand up, be men, earn respect and walk proud,
Instead of hiding behind the skirt of a Barbie doll, pleading to be her very own action man…
Just a thought..
Instead of being childish on here with your anti English out of date thinking..
@137Marcos A__hole
Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”Prince George should never be King of Scots””
Sorry, Marcos,
William and then George, could end up being two of the most popular modern Monarchs.
The Royal Family still holds a fond place in the public consciousness:
http://youtu.be/bGPt-kgQ3wg
TinkaDoDoVoice
Jul 28th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean like the fact that Britain has the Islands and all that lovely South Atlantic Territory and you fuds don't. Or perhaps you are referring to 1982 and the abject surrender of all those thousands of pathetic looking spic creatures who had to sing for their supper. Oh yes the humiliation of it all....glorious wasn't it?
Thinky dinkey, sooo glad your are pissed off, you and your sock puppets are just going to have to get used to it. The Falklanders aren't going anywhere, they are already secure, they will get richer. All you can do is bitch and try to piss of the British and Islanders, but we just laugh at you. You are merely entertainment to us. It's quite sad to see a potentially rich nation like Argentina repeatedly shooting itself in the foot. But that's the price you pay for being the descendents of moronic club-med invaders. With no history to be proud of (except for the slaughter and displacement of the original inhabitants), it must be really galling for you to compare yourselves with the British and Falkland Islanders.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good!
But are you pissed that a bunch of Spaniards with their guns and cannons (who now call themselves Argentine) stole 100,000s km2 of Amerindian territory Think?
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or are you and A-hole just hypocritical turds?
“Oh yes the humiliation of it all....glorious wasn't it?”
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0reminds me of.......operation banner.
1969 to 2007..... and massive fail...wahwah.
@140
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times do I have to swat your pathetic attempts at a retort?
The Glorious Surrender...s
The British surrender at Yorktown
The British surrender at Hong kong
The British surrender at Singapore
The British surrender at Saratoga
The British surrender at Kut
The British surrender at Tobruk
or shall I change it to ......
the British flee at Dunkirk
the British flee at Gallipoli
Lets see who can have the biggest list.......I can go on.......
Another time maybe......I have an appointment with a large explosion and the collapse of Scotland's tallest structure......want to get there early and see who's milling about......heard there's boat trips to get real close........now where's my camera.........adios amigos! ..;-))))))))))
@140
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh yes the humiliation of it all....glorious wasn't it?”
If you said so..
1806/1807/1845
http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/6770524/Jacinto-Eliseo-Batista-un-heroe-poco-conocido.html
The referendum in the Malvinas or British self satisfaction.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by Marcelo Kohen
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-215078-2013-03-05.html
“Argentina has much more to offer than the British colonial system of territory management. A Malvinas sovereignty effectively reintegrated Argentina would have a real autonomy in which the inhabitants themselves elect their governor and have their representation in national parliamentary bodies. But such issues can be discussed only when the United Kingdom to fulfill its obligation to resolve the sovereignty dispute by peaceful means. In other words, when negotiations on the core issue separating the two countries.”
#144
Jul 28th, 2013 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch it doesn't fall on your head !
By the way, my uncle was at Dunkirk and he didn't flee.
His unit was charged with destroying bridges to hold up the German advance. This he did and eventually managed to get out from St.Nazaire after some hairy moments. Fighting German tanks with rifles..
My Grandfather fought at Gallipoli and received wounds from which he died some years later. He fought on until the evacuation was ordered.
Ask the Turks what they thought of the ANZAC CORPS.
You seem to have a very low opinion of your “countrymen” if in effect that's what they are .
145 Marcos Alejandro
Jul 28th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A little hero: more like 10,000 to 70 was it when your cowardly forces invaded without declaring war. But what can we expect from argies besides, lies and deceit at every turn.
So just to remind you have a look at the Ghurkha faces when they were told the cowardly argies had surrendered before they had a chance at Battalion Decorations, not to say souvenirs: the heads lopped of the cowards trembling in their own shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
Argies: you can always rely on them for a good laugh!
Must have hit a nerve, but hey whilst it was a totally embarrassing defeat in front of the entire World it did result in the return of a kind of Argyland democracy. Of course you fuds are pissed off that the Falklands, South Georgia and South Atlantic are British but you just have to accept facts and get on with it.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@146
Jul 28th, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sovereignty dispute IS RESOLVED THROUGH PEACEFUL MEANS. The defence the British provides the islanders ensures that Argentina is too terrified to attack, thus ensuring peace.
I have told you before, the United Nations GA voted that ALL the non-self governing territories have the right to self determination, Argentinas attempt to include the words “where no sovereignty dispute exists” we're removed by the General Assembly.
However, if you believe that land usurped in the 19th century through violence and colonialism should be returned, I would stop concentrating on the Falklands where it is highly doubtful that such a thing occured and start concentrating on Patagonia, where it is undeniable by that genocidal colonialism by Argentina was carried out.
once Patagonia is returned to the unquestionable indigenous owners, it will show that Argentina isn't just rampant hypocrites, and the case f the Falklands should go before the correct UN body the ICJ.
until Patagonia is returned, an independent state formed, full reparations to the indigenous made, the pirate usurping Latinos rehoused in Northern Argentina, we can assume that you endorse 19th century colonialism and genocide.
Of course once the Patagonia and Falklands cases are resolved we can move on to 16th-17th century colonialism and empty the Americas.
What a div you are!!!
Vestige 99- so barring inmportd form the Uk- yes many goods aleady barred from iport inArg by your crazy currency rules anyway , ask the cruise ships that use Ushuaia for cruise turnarounds and storing? Ask them why they are now increasing their purschases instead in Port Stanley whewre they can get supplies.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you may find that UK is a member of the EU discriminate against a member State above a certain limit and you may end up the looser - doesnot bode well for Mercosur-Eu discussions really either! Probabaly does not bother the pretty small UK expoert to Argentina anyway - mightbother Arg a bit though if the EU raised a tariff on all Arg exports into the EU?
A-Voice 118 - still deluded that non resident british folks on contract control the Islands? Island Residents who have the vote are those who call the place home and have lived here for a fixed minimum period - we are not racist so place of birth is not that important- that is why 60% of the population regard themselves as islanders first and British second. The other 40% naturall composed of those wh0 have only been in the Islands a few years and come fromUk- Chile-Argentina-St Helena-and about 30 other narions.
Think-113 - your “other ways to skin a cat” seem to have failed somewhat so far though.
@144
Jul 28th, 2013 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A_Voice
Glorious surrender?? Apart from the the Revolutionary War, by my reckoning UK may have lost some battles but won the wars. Argentina prefers fighting the Indians. Those ants under your patio, Argentinians just kill the ants. Then when the ants are dead they turn on themselves, start killing each other then throw people out of planes. Yet still in 82 millions supported General Galtieri and his military govt. What a **** country.
No wonder increasing numbers of Argentinians are visiting UK.
@144
Jul 28th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bit of an unfair comparison given that Britain's history as a true modern identity and nation began with the Anglo-Saxons on the island in around 400 AD, 1400 years before Argentina even gained its independence. Are you really comparing a nation with 2000 year old history going back to the Roman era or a colonial spec like Argentina that isn't even 200 years old?
Of course Britain is going to have a long defeat list but at the same time Britain's victories completely out way Argentina's and most other nations, after all Britain and France together have the two longest and most distinguished military records in history.
Just to assess your list;
The British surrender at Yorktown- Horrifically outnumbered British force that was out of ammunition and food.
The British surrender at Hong kong- Surrounded and out of supplies.
The British surrender at Singapore- I can give you that one but again the Empire forces may have outweighed the Japanese but they didn't have much ammunition and virtually no air cover.
The British surrender at Saratoga- A well rested army of 15,000 Yanks against a small force of 5000?
The British surrender at Kut- Same story again as before. 9000 Brits/Indians against 40,000 Ottomans?
The British surrender at Tobruk- Mostly an armour battle, the number of troops was irrelevant as it was a tank battle, the German Panzer 3s were superior.
the British flee at Dunkirk - The French army collapsed and left the British horribly surrounded and outnumbered
the British flee at Gallipoli- Ottomans had a larger force and were better equipped.
You seem to forget that Britain has actually lost very few wars and in most of the cases above the British were actually the overall winners at the end. The only true fully fledged war that Argentina fought was the Falklands were 15,000 Argies with plenty of supplies surrendered to a smaller force of Britons who were actually running out of Ammunition.
@145
Argentina didn't exist then.
@ Vestige
Jul 28th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How was Banner a fail? The British Army helped the police hold the line in NI until the politicians were finally ready to negotiate. They prevented a civil war. Would you have preferred them to go in with tanks and bomber aircraft?
Today NI is as British as it was in 1969. However it is free to leave the UK anytime it wishes but this right has existed in law since at least the early 1970s so the republican and loyalist terrorists fought a futile, sectarian war for 3 decades just to end up where they started.
@154
Jul 28th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said. Thank god for the British armed forces professionalism, as someone who lives in NI, I can tell you that the people will always be grateful for their role,
@153
Jul 28th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would have saved your breath. In A-holes version of history there are no facts, just make believe and anti British racism.
He's a funny fellow, thick as shit..but funny.
@153conorJ
Jul 28th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conor
Please note too, on each occasion of the 'defeats', with exception of Dunkirk, the British were fighting far from home. Logistics difficult and supply lines long, the Brits still maintained a global empire.
Argentina? If not murdering local and neighbouring AmerIndians, they were squabbling with other colonies , literally on their own doorstep, Couldn't even hold islands 300 miles off their coast. Even when dug in, with naval bases and airfields closeby, they lost.
But Thinky Dinky Voice,knew that.
He made a stupid remark and now he will say it was a successful “manipulation” on his part .
He's right, he is a waste of our time.
That's not ”original' either.
:-D
Now that's more like it folks.....all doing a bit of research and learning at the same time.......
Jul 28th, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde......sorry about your Grandfather......nothing is meant to be personal!
You will be pleased to know the power station came down like a treat.....those Scot's know how to blow things up.......there was a helicopter hovering towards the Ayr side maybe it was a news crew........I could see thousands gathered at Inverkip!
The Chimney appeared to disintegrate in mid air and became an undefined haze before the major explosion......leaning towards Inverkip then disappeared in a cloud of smoke.....it was worth watching!
Heh heh heh, a load of babble from Think and his slimey sock puppets. Hilarious! They just don't realise how impotent they appear. All fur coat and no knickers. With all the RG bluster there is absolutely no action whatsoever. The only thing that they do is whine, bicker and issue impotent threats - nothing, complete and utter morons.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@157
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said and so true.
@158
Thats it lose the argument and then conveniently divert to a falling down chimney.
Research? Learning? I studied history mate, its all in my head. A bit like your delusions.
A more recent English defeat, Iraq.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We better don't talk about Britain favorite place to be defeated over and over again(Afghanistan)
“Britain suffered defeat in Iraq, says US general”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11419878
@161
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh the cowedly sponger has returned with his pathetic drivel as always. If you actually read your own fucking article Marcos you would realise that the decision to withdraw was a political one not a military one.
Compare this to Argentina who couldn't even hold a set of islands off their coast with tens of thousands of soldiers, hundreds of aircraft and a strong navy against a numerically inferior British force. Loser.
160
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In your head......wow that's some memory..........hehehe.....LIAR!
How does it fit in with all that shit that keeps spilling out, amazing how you can turn British defeats into actual victories.......I want you to think about the word Surrender........French I know........Now I don't want the excuses why....did they Surrender or didn't they?.......Yep you just lost again!
.......and why wouldn't the explosive demolition of Scotland's tallest structure not be interesting to a Scot.......was it directed at you? I have no idea what you are but........the word Bore springs to mind and followed closely by Fanny!
161 Marcos Alejandro
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, yes, yes..... I sure that the list of British “defeats” is a long one... and yet, somehow, we loose the battle but still win the war. Funny that, wouldn't you think?
Argentine combat SOP's seem to be:-
1/ fire a few shots off to make it look like you are fighting
2/ cower at the bottom of your trench / dugout and wait to surrender
or
3/ run away screaming “The Gurkha's are coming!!” ( surrender later )
162 Conor J
Well, I'm sure that the British Army needs an American General to tell them when they “Suffered a defeat”. You know, I think that Marcos actually swallowed this one, hook, line, sinker and copy of Angling Times!!
I think now would be a good time to break out the shortest book in history:- “Famous Argentinian War Heros”
@146
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has much more to offer than the British colonial system of territory management.”
You really haven't kept up since 1982 have you?
Since then there have been three changes of FI constitution that have given increasing powers to the FIG. The Governor no longer participates in law making, and he does not run the FIG. That is done by councillors that are elected by the population.
The problem is Argentina does not have anything to offer the Islanders that they don't have already.
If Argentina took over the Islands, would they(as the FIG do), fly the Islanders to the UK(free), and pay for their accommodation and University fees at a UK university?
If you are telling me the Argentine education system is better than that of the Falkland Islands and the UK, you have some explaining to do because I simply do not believe the Argentine education is worth much at all.
You cannot offer better airlinks because that idiot Prince Maximo Kirchener received $billions for Aerolinas Argentinas, that has disappeared leaving the airline with either leased aircraft or rustboxes.
“inhabitants themselves elect their governor and have their representation in national parliamentary bodies”
The inhabitants do elect their own government-the Governor does not run the FIG-he is the Queen's representative.
Even in the 197os when the UK was running the Falkland islands as a colony, the Islanders complained against one of the governors and he was removed very quickly.
So Argentine rule cannot offer the islanders any thing they do not already have, if they did, the Islanders would have agreed to Argentinian sovereignty in the 1970s-and even then in the political climate where the UK was trying to get rid of the Falklands, the Islanders still did not want to be part of Argentina.
All Argentina could bring to the Islands would be the excessive control they already impose on their people including spying on shops and no Islanders have currency restrictions.
Try again.
@163
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't turn the defeats into victories thats just your narrow mindedness. I explained in brief what caused said defeats and how they are understandable. Argentina surrendered to a numerically and underpowered British force were as in all those defeats you mentioned the British forces were either outnumbered or out of fucking bullets.
The Demolition of Scotland's tallest building is interesting but you used it at the end of your paragraph to divert that I stumped you with an historical analysis. Oh and based on what others have said, you are nothing more than another of Thinks fake identities who all seem to be conveniently British.
See watch me do it; Oh look a meteorite just fell out of the fucking sky, bye!
@164
Ha ha ha lol very true about the colonials.
Another English defeat..
Jul 28th, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC)
“Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina”
“A second, better-resourced invasion followed in May 1807, under Lieutenant-General John Whitelock, attacking Buenos Aires in July. After a couple of days of intense street fighting, the British surrendered to an army it had considered no more than a rabble.
After losing more than half his force, the British signed a ceasefire on 7 July and left for home, where Whitelock was court-martialled and discharged”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
@167
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No such thing as Argentina all those people at the time considered themselves Spanish, they used guerrilla attacks against a relatively small invasion force. So what? You couldn't invade and hold an set of islands on your own doorstep. Now stop sponging off my nation and fuck off to were you came from sponger.
The one defeat that matters was 1982 when the task force made the Argentine invaders surrender. The RGs are still smarting from that, it was humiliating for them to be defeated on their own doorstep. They were outmanoevered and outfought. Then, they simply ran away. They have since been very keen to assert that they don't want to fight again.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BBC
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“War often defines nationhood: just as America was said to have come of age in 1776, when British colonists declared their independence from the Crown, so Argentina felt it had come of age as a separate state, having fought for themselves against the British.
Within three years of routing the British, Buenos Aires established a government independent from the Spanish Crown, anticipating the eventual declaration of Independence of Argentina of 1816. This sparked the Wars of Independence throughout South America that ended Spanish domination in 1826”
@170
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah and what did you do with your new found independence? Pissed it away by slaughtering yourselves and installing dictatorships and invaded a defenceless community of 2000 people. SA has also contributed nothing to world history and has been nothing but a continent of whining children. Good bye sponger.
170 Marcos Alejandro
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“War often defines nationhood”
LOL.... In that case then, 1982 “defined” argentina as a bunch of cowardly bullies, thugs and criminals.
If the Americans “came of age” in 1776, when did Argentina “Come of age”??? Or, are they still crying and wetting themselves and wanting their mummy?
Pete Bog
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've yet to find someone who can clearly enunciate one single benefit of the Islands being taken over by Argentina.
166
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So like I said they Surrendered.......don't bother trying to deflect again and again giving an excuse why.........Now try this did they Surrender Yes or No?......Here I'll help you Y.......I gave you the first letter finish it off and admit it WITHOUT the excuses.
BTW earlier I mentioned I was going out to watch the demolition and when I came back, I let Clyde know what happened for his interest.......it had nothing to do with your inane babbling........sorry to disappoint and burst your bubble of self impotence........ha actually I'm not sorry ;-)))))
Starting to swear a bit I see........losing it I guess!
Try it Yes Yes Yes Yes........not so hard for you is it?
171 Conor J
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't remember giving your wife a sponge bath.
Britain's future looking good :-)))
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10063310/Ukip-leader-Nigel-Farage-confronted-by-protesters-in-Scotland.html
174 A_Voice
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, back on topic
( we wouldn't want to get distracted or loose focus on what this News story was about in the first place now would we? )
This is great news that the Falkland Islands ecomony is going from strength to strength and that they are making plans for the future good of everyone on the Islands.
How are those law suits that KFC promised coming along?
Oh, you know the ones don't you? those one that she threatened against anyone or company who tried to “Steal the resources that are rightfully Argentine” from the South Atlantic.
How are they working out for you?
166
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you are nothing more than another of Thinks fake identities who all seem to be conveniently British.”
There is another prime example of your Stupidity.......
So when I'm in Scotland that makes me British or does it make me Scottish and British.....a couple of weeks ago I was in England so that would make me English?...Earlier in the year I was in France so must be French too?
I'd best tell Pops when I'm in the US that, that makes me American!
You crease me up you really do!
@174
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Errr......No I swear because I'm Irish, didn't you know we swear at everything? Lol
Yes those forces surrendered but every nation suffers defeat, whats your point? I wasn't aware of the whole demolition thing but you still did use it to conveniently jump the gun somewhat, never mind.
Countries both weak and strong get defeated in war, Rome in Germania, Persia in Greece, America in Vietnam, Argentina in the Falklands and Britain in Afghanistan etc, etc, etc. The other point I mentioned was that although defeats the overall outcome of those battles in their respective wars were mostly victories.
@175
Certainly better than Argentina's. :-)))))))
@163 A_Voice
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So your a Scot. 'droch shide' in Inverclyde? Suas le Falkland Islands. My Gaelic is not that good, but I would like to know if you can speak **** in 2 languages(maybe 3 Spanish)
English is not my native language, but I learned in the past how to spell this one...
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0176 toooldtodieyoung
“loose focus”
A looser is a loser who can't spell “loser”.
@150 If you intend to justify the British usurpation of the islands with the arrival of Europeans in America, I must say that is a very very weak argument.
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Likewise your country may take the peninsula of Florida in the United States and say that not returned because it belonged to the natives.
If this is your defense in ICJ, you will be lost.
“After losing more than half his force, the British signed a ceasefire on 7 July and left for home, where Whitelock was court-martialled and discharged”
http://cdn4.vtourist.com/4/2672192-Bandera_Inglesa_capturada_por_los_Argentinos_Buenos_Aires.jpg
http://cdn4.vtourist.com/4/2672192-Bandera_Inglesa_capturada_por_los_Argentinos_Buenos_Aires.jpg
@179
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Alan read my post @177..........I'm not going to ridicule you.......I don't have the heart!........and it's past my bedtime!
Save it for another time!
AVoice has left the building!
@ redrow 154
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a fail in their own books (British army). Go check.
Longest mission in B.A's history.
Result - stalemate.
Intention was not fulfilled. Casualty rate higher than the enemy. Cost in the billions. Conditions with enemy granted. Ergo fail.
175
Jul 28th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcus ... Its called democracy. Politicians of all parties deserve this at some time.
181
Malvinese
This was obviously your countries graetest day. The reason it doesnt really resonate is that it was only 2 years after Battle of Trafalgar and 7 years before Waterloo.
@183
Jul 29th, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a student of history, military enthusiast and resident of NI, I while assess your claims.
1. It was a fail in their own books (British army). Go check.
2. Longest mission in B.A's history.
3. Result - stalemate.
4. Intention was not fulfilled.
5. Casualty rate higher than the enemy.
6. Cost in the billions.
7. Conditions with enemy granted.
8. Ergo fail.
1. Please provide a reference to that claim because I have never heard them call it a defeat.
2. So? Does it matter how long it takes to complete the objective as long as you do it?
3. Result-Initial stalemate followed by almost complete disarmament of terrorist groups and the bringing of peace and stability with virtually no incidents since the peace agreements.
4. Mission of the Armed forces, disarm terrorist groups and bring about a peaceful settlement to the NI question.- Achieved.
5. Ever heard of a hard fought victory? Or in this case the enemy used guerrilla tactics which are completely different to conventional ones and so casualties are bound to be higher, especially as the terrorists can use car bombes and other IEDs while the army can only fire back when fired upon.
6. Again so? Can you really put a price on human life? In that case then the Allies lost WW2 as we spent trillions more than the Axis powers.
7. Again so? The enemy had to surrender all their arms and ammunition and abandon their cause.
8. Ergo Success.
184 alan “ Its called democracy”
Jul 29th, 2013 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shouting ‘Racist scum. Go back to England’ and forced him leave is called democracy?
Perhaps Scots, the Welsh and the Irish will feel better about the English if they don't treat them like second class citizens for centuries.
@183 Vestige.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you don't know what you are talking about. This was not a 'war'. Doubtless the British Army made some mistakes and innocent lives were lost on all sides. Victory was not an option(as it was not a war) - the stalemate was the victory. I suppose in Argentina your army would just make people disappear, take the kids, give the kids to military families etc. Where is your source to say it was a 'failure'. Reading too many Argentinian comics again. Longest mission in British Army history - please define what you mean by a mission. Casualty rate was higher than the enemy? Warrington, Birmingham,Guildford, Enniskilen etc. all life is precious - there are no winners/losers.
185 and 187.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Banner
^ a b c d “Army paper says IRA not defeated”. BBC News. 2007-07-06. Retrieved 2008-03-21.
British prime minister calling it a stalemate, saying the Ira couldn't be defeated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Banner
I won't be arguing ni politics here today.
But Ill just say that - you now have (or had) ex Ira commanders stipulating when and for how long the union flag can be flown on official buildings. A Sinnfein mayor of Belfast, the dissolution of the ruc and uda, a devolved government and troops off the streets and the death of the orange state which brought all this about. I.E - the apartheid state, the cause of the conflict, the true enemy of the Ira, no longer exists openly. Take a look at the before and after. Before - open discrimination private and public sector, denial of civil rights, unchallenged openly sectarian police force dishing out elective beatings and imprisonments.
After - a much more equal and democratic place.
When I say I will do something and I don't follow through on it despite my best efforts - that can reasonably be known as a failure.
When I compromise with an enemy I cannot call this a military victory.
@181
Jul 29th, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, the British “usurption” of the islands was NOTHING LIKE the Europeans arriving in the Americas, because there was no genocide, the Europeans hadn't first settled there 150 years earlier, etc etc.
I do believe the Islanders have a stronger claim to their land than anywhere else in the Americas because of this fact.
However, rather than wind the clock back 500 years, I prefer to concentrate on the 19th century.
Argentina bleats on about 19th century colonialism, usurption, piracy and theft.
In the Falklands, the British RETURNED, not a shot was fired, the only people “removed” were 50 or so militia who'd been there 2 months.
In Patagonia in 1880 the Argentines INVADED, they massacred tens of thousands of indigenous people who'd been there millennia and stole all their resources.
Now, if you don't see the hypocrisy, the downright sickening hypocrisy of your pathetic Malvinas claim, you should be ashamed.
However, we cannot turn back the clock, even though in certain places like Patagonia we should. The only solution is self-determination of all peoples as in the UN charter.
Ofcourse we know the truth, Argentina doesn't consider it genocide when they do it, as A-hole said mass slaughter on indigenous native Americans was just killing ants under his patio,
@ Vestige
Jul 29th, 2013 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0To help the IRA end its campaign, the British were obliged to say nice things about how well they had fought and to not film the IRA disarming which the IRA leadership would have considered humiliating. During the conflict, the British (and Irish) governments had to act within the law whereas Republican terrorists had the option of bombing hospitals & war memorials and shooting people in churches, chapels & schools, each of which they did. Ironically, the British Army first took to the streets in 1969 to defend the minority Catholic population from Loyalist attack and thus actually shared the same military objective as the Defenderist element of the IRA. It was the, more traditional, Irish Republican element that wanted to start attacking the Army thus requiring the Army to take on the IRA. Once the IRA finally ended their campaign, then Banner ended with it. Status Quo.
Anyway, Diego Garcia, Scottish Chimneys, British military victories and defeats are all very interesting but this article is about the Falklands oil. So why are Argentine posters discussing anything but that?
@181 Malvinese
It isn't much of a threat telling us we would lose at the ICJ but then not taking us there. The latter disproves the former.
@188 You have put quite a slant on the NI situation
Jul 29th, 2013 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone accepts that “The Troubles” ended in stalemate. We are now in a different era since the Good Friday agreement which was, in effect, ratified by the events of September 11th. Why? Because the US Irish republicans such as NORAID suddenly understood what terrorism was and stopped supporting the IRA financially.
The Sinn Fein politicians are all democratically elected so the fact they were “ex IRA commanders” makes no difference to their job now. As regards the flags, any potential “flashpoints” need to be nipped in the bud. Sinn Fein have shown that they can work together well with members of the Unionist community. The famous “Chuckle Brothers” photo (see http://cdn4.independent.ie/migration_catalog/article25040676.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/chuckle ) is a picture I never thought I would see in my lifetime. There is still a long way to go - the violence hasn't been completely eradicated and we still have the infamous “Peace Wall” but progress has certainly been made.
The [mainly protestant] RUC was disbanded in favour of the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) which is targeted with recruiting from both communities
For the Argy Fuds the 1982 humiliation is still very painful and upsetting. They try to excuse themselves by saying it wasn't us really it was the Facists or they weren't our real troops just conscripts or we ran away because it was cold and wet and we didn't get dinner. They would be best advised to forgetit and formally recognise the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and 12 million km2 of South Atlantic maritime space as sovereign British territory.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The biggest humiliation is that the Falkland Islanders are running a successful country, economy, have a content and happy population - everything that Argentina has not got.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@186 Marcos
Jul 29th, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain why I am a 2nd class citizen.
@188 Vestige
You obviously know as much about NI as Falkland Island politics. Previous posts above may help.
Argentina CFK Administration Accused of Corruption
Jul 29th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0'This was a decade where almost all of the Latin American countries multiplied investment coming in from abroad. Almost all, except Argentina, which suffered a capital flight record.'
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v7/wn/newsworld.php?id=966746
Marcos and others. You all fail in history!
Jul 29th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK/England has lost very very FEW Wars - Quite a few battles and skirmishes I will agree - but she tends to win the most important battle each time - the last one of a war.
BA etc in 1805 ansd 1807 was part of the European war against France(and Spain at that time-later Spain became an ally).
UK WON that war, at Trafalagar as regards naval control of the oceans and Waterloo as regards mainland Europe.
1914-18 UK and Allies WON finally in 1918
1939-45 UK and Allies WON finally in 1945
1982 - UK lost on April 2nd and WON on June 14th and confilct ended.
Get the picture?
Northern Ireland- UK forced a draw and WON the peace and principle of democracy - now respected by all major sides.
#188
Jul 29th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bottom line is that N. Ireland is still part of the UK, despite all the IRA's and Provisional's attempts to murder and bomb their way to union with Eire. Quite rightly sectarianism has been defeated at a political level but still trundles on in sections of the population.
However, sectarianism is a world wide problem. Look at Egypt today, the hatred between Shia and Sunni Muslims in other Middle Eastern countries. Again, this is a Pandora's box which would be better closed if only we knew how.
Well whatever you say Clyde, my comments weren't intended to discuss the status of the north of Ireland. This was about the British military being just as subject to defeat as the Argentine military.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So next time we get a junior Churchill in here spouting about Argentina actually being beaten in a war (if it can be defined as such), they might want to consider that Britain itself has been on the canvas a few times.
Deadbeat at 198
Jul 29th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”So next time we get a junior Churchill in here spouting about Argentina actually being beaten in a war (if it can be defined as such)...“
”if it can be defined as such“ Ha ha ha. LMFAO! Are you serious? You were 192 miles from home. Your entire Navy was within range. Your aircraft had the choice of several land based airports from which to operate. You occupied the islands before the UK set sail from 8,000 miles away. You had control of Stanley and all of its infrastructure. Need I go on?
...and you lost.
”if it can be defined as such”
You (Think, DoD, Surfer, A Voice, Vestige, El Capitano, etc, etc) really are the present that keeps on giving.
Chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle.
Re-read it.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it (i.e the 74 day conflict/dispute)... can be defined as a war.
Oh I see. That old chestnut again. “We can wait as long as we have to. We will not define the time span.”
Jul 29th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many chess moves and how many nails in the coffin do you want?
Theres no chestnut.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a simple matter of correctly reading a sentence.
Definition of WAR
1
a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations.
(note here the word 'nations' and consider the historical context of the dispute in question)
Note also that it's frequently discussed in Britain itself as to whether it constituted a war or a 'conflict'.
Try not to get so excited.
@ Vestige
Jul 29th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By “north of Ireland” I assume you mean Northern Ireland but just can't bring yourself to say it!
Several things happened in NI in the late 80s/early 90s of relevance: i) The SAS took the war to the IRA at Loughgall, Gibraltar, Coalisland etc. ii) the weapons needed for a new IRA offensive were seized, iii) the IRA realised they had been penetrated by British/Irish agents from top to bottom, iv) the IRA bomb in Enniskillen and the Proxy bomb in L/Derry were total PR disasters as was the sectarian bombing campaign of the early 90s. As a result the IRA finally realised they were losing. However, instead of intensifying the military campaign at this point, HMG decided instead to scale back on the lethal use of the Special Forces in order to allow the doves in the IRA to gain ground over the hawks. It was a smart move and allowed the political progress now enjoyed. The British Army may have had plenty of bad days in Northern Ireland, not least Warrenpoint, but they were never on the canvass and Banner was ultimately a success - democracy restored.
I'm not bothered what wars Argentina believes itself to have won or lost, as long as the FIs can live in peace and freedom then you can celebrate your victories, not least in Patagonia, to your heart's content.
Anyway, back to the topic in hand.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders own the oil in the North Falkland, Falkland Plateau and South Falklands basins. This is due to a British claim dating back to 1690, and the only usurption being the peaceful removal of 50 militia in 1833 who'd been on the islands two months and had already committed murder and rape.
The islanders have already stated that future defence costs incurred by Britain will be covered, and indicated that past costs will be met if production levels permit. It would be incredibly sensible that the remaining sovereign wealth be invested in sensible structures that could well benefit both the islanders and the UK for generations to come, this is the choice of the islanders themselves.
Excellent.
Compare with the rest of the Malvinas/Magellen Basins (the Argentine Territorial waters). In 1880 Argentina invaded Amerindian land in blatant act of 19th century colonialism, the usurped their land and committed genocide on the original and indigenous population. They today are stealing the natural resources of these people and plundering their homeland.
I think if there is a moral, ethical and ICJ case to answer, its not that of the Falklands but that of Patagonia.
The British position is that the past belongs there and that both territories belong to the current populations through self determination.
The Argentine position appears to be that genocide, massacring indigenous peoples and then stealing their resources and ignoring their rights today is perfectly acceptable if it is them. These people are “ants under their patio” and the land is Latino.
However, the removal of 50 rapists and murderers whod been on the Falklands for 2 months in late 1832 is the largest outrage in global politics.
HUCKING FYPOCRITES!!
@203 redrow.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All very interesting. Entirely irrelevant.
Although its a victory in your books, its not officially listed as such, its listed as a 'stalemate'.
That aside I could have chosen any war or battle throughout history which Britain lost in place of the given. (Tiresome) Try to comprehend the context.
@205 vestige
Jul 29th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was you who brought up Banner but now you say its tiresome and irrelevant because someone has explained to you why you were wrong. Yes it's crap being wrong but the mature thing to do is hold your hands up and acknowledge it. In your case it makes no odds since you lost all credibility the moment you suggested the British people might listen to George Galloway. If you think he is a serious politician then I suggest you do a Google Images or YouTube search for Galloway, Big Brother, Cat.
@205
Jul 29th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it is relevant, all the points he made are true and it forced the terrorist groups to the negotiating table, something the government wanted to do from the start. You don't live here so how can you have any opinion on the matter? Ask anyone here in NI if the Armed forces were successful in bringing peace and they will say yes. It is irrelevant if a group like the IRA are defeated or not as these groups are almost impossible to destroy outright. All of there main aims failed but the British forces completed most of theirs. Ergo victory. Most of these groups are now disbanded with only the occasional group of pathetic teenagers claiming to represent them causing trouble.
Its a digression.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its choice was entirely elective, I could have chosen a battle from 17th or 18th century Europe, Africa, outer Mongolia, wherever, that resulted in a British defeat. Choose one for me.
I already said I'm not going to debate N.Ireland politics. Its reference was for comparison only. So take your huff and puff to someone else ... no sale.
P.S. Their - as in belongs to them. Think 'I' it belongs to me.
There - in the sense of 'over there'.
They're - they are ... you just take out the 'a'.
'There' are too many people making this mistake frequently. 'They're' ready to learn, its in 'their' interest.
As for Galloway - Boris Jonson.
@205 Vestige
Jul 29th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“not officially listed as such” - there is someone who “officially” lists the results of wars? Dont tell me - this person is Argentinian.
BBC source if I remember correctly.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Choose a different battle if you prefer. I think Marcos listed a few somewhere up there. Good luck.
@208
Jul 29th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow lose the argument and then do an obvious diversion, I Aced all my English exams and you call me out over one tiny mistake? “All of there main aims failed but the British forces completed most of theirs.” You will notice that I made the mistake at the beginning of the sentence but not at the end of it.
“Its choice was entirely elective, I could have chosen a battle from 17th or 18th century Europe, Africa, outer Mongolia, wherever, that resulted in a British defeat. Choose one for me. ” Well lets just take a stab in the dark shall we? 1982?
“Its reference was for comparison only. So take your huff and puff to someone else ... no sale.”
Still doesn't divert from the fact that you lost the argument. It may have been a comparison but it was wrong and you were called out on it. Oh and PS this isn't a suspenseful piece of literature but a debating section, no need for the ...... every now and then.
@210 Vestige
Jul 29th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BBC is a broadcasting station reporting news (among other things). It talks to many varied and diverse people - I even saw Hector once - was he the source.
Well very well Conor, I apologize for the spelling correction, its just Im part of the anonymous legions out there dedicated to stopping the proliferation of that particular error. I understand.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd challenge that bit about losing an argument, I'm sure I could 'win' whatever argument you're alluding to, but I'd simultaneously lose.
Theres an old internet adage about winning an argument on the internet, I won't repeat it cause its disrespectful to a certain disadvantaged group, but I will say it involves a race and a medal.
Frankly I think you just didn't understand, Ill be happy to debate you on N.Ireland at some other time on some other story.
If you like you can erase N.I and put R.O.I in its place....that was a defeat.
COUGH....too.
212 - Yes, its the British governments broadcasting station.
@213
Jul 29th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I don't think you understand, I live here and have to deal with the consequences of that period for the rest of my life, would you really tell someone who lives in Vietnam that the American intervention there had been a success? No you wouldn't. Any way this has grown tiring good day and you obviously wont accept that you were wrong, so good day.
#213
Jul 29th, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0212 - Yes, its the British governments broadcasting station.
Well, you have just blown your cover there. If you know anything about the BBC it is anything BUT the government's broadcasting station.
Every government has complained about BBC biase against them. Do you or have you EVER listened to a minister being grilled by a presenter. It makes the Spanish Inquisition seem like a fireside chat !
Owner(s): The Crown (Publicly owned)
Jul 29th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The BBC is a semi-autonomous public service broadcaster[6] that operates under a Royal Charter[7] and a Licence and Agreement from the Home Secretary.[8] Within the United Kingdom its work is funded principally by an annual television licence fee,[9] which is charged to all British households, companies and organisations using any type of equipment to receive live television broadcasts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC
Public paying for it, owned by her maj, operates under royal charter, and under the home secretary.
This has gone too far. Good day to you sah.
Yeah owned by the Crown not the GOVERNMENT. The organisation is tax payer funded and the government has to, by law keep its nose out. The Home secs job is to ensure that accounts are kept in check and that the PUBLIC and not the government are happy with the service.
Jul 29th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@216 Vestige
Jul 29th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so totally wrong - you are saying the BBC is Cameron's mouthpiece. Ah well.
I think you are really getting confused with Kirchners control of the press in Argentina
Acording to my information
Jul 29th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the British Army has won more battle honours, than all the worlds armies put together.
go on argies,, prove me wrong .lol.?
219 Briton
Jul 29th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear Briton!
Are you overlooking the fact that the argies give medals and battle honours for losing!!!!
You have to laugh don't you?
yep..
Jul 29th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha,
@ Vestige
Jul 29th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes the BBC just loves Conservative governments
so they can give them a kicking:
http://youtu.be/1KHMO14KuJk
Did you threaten to overrule him
Did you threaten to overrule him
Yes but did you THREATEN to overrule him
#222
Jul 29th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No point in arguing with him. He is just thick !
Bad new for the kelpers squatters.
Jul 30th, 2013 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Saudi Arabia and the Opec oil states must wean their economies off energy exports immediately or spiral into decline as America’s shale revolution shatters the world order, a top Saudi business leader has warned”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10209822/US-shale-threatens-Saudi-funding-crisis-and-demise-of-OPEC.html
@224
Jul 30th, 2013 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0good news for Argentina ?
http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/La-soja-bajo-a-us-448-y-la-cosecha-podria-valer-us-6400-millones-menos-20130730-0140.html
@224
Jul 30th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not bad news at all.
Most of the islanders power is generated from renewable sources, so they have less reliance on oil than ever.
224 Marcos Alejandro
Jul 30th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, dumb ass, you didn't read the article: no, you may have read the article but you didn't understand it.
The raghead “business leader” (oxymoron that) was pointing out to the really stupid raghead “OPEC members” that they are out of balance with their internal spending (like The Dark Country) and were relying on ratcheting the cost of oil up to make up the shortfall.
He gave the base production cost of each countries oil with Saudi being the least at USD 80 per barrel. Some countries were already in way over their heads and had little chance to claw the shortfall back.
The Falklands are on the cusp of their oil adventure and being the sensible people that they are will ensure this is not a problem to them.
The Dark Country of course is already struggling for dollars to buy CNG, LPG and OIL FFS!
SO, what was your stupid point about?
Fracking may be good,
Jul 30th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or on the other hand could well be the end of the world as we know it,
Sometimes greed and corruption gets in the way of intelligence and safety,
All im saying is tremors and earth quakes are apparent,
How do we know that they are not covering up future earthquakes and even more disasters for us all,
As for oil,,, when the time comes and the middle eastern countries get poorer, perhaps they will do less fighting and more camel riding.
Just an innocent quaking trebling thought lol.
227 ChrisR
Jul 30th, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Dumb ass old fart
He is wondering who will be buying Saudi crude oil in the near future, Ukistan should be too.
Oooh I don't know! How about a country next door like Chile?
Jul 30th, 2013 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Short distance from Islands - tick
Long way from other sources of oil - tick
Energy deficient - tick
Or the Islands could just wait until the next Argentina idiot president damages the economy so much that they need to import energy again..... about every 10 years I'm guessing.
Marcos- as ever you clutch ar straws in the wind- and miss them! The type of oil found- to date - offshore here , is suited to refineries in the Far East, not Europe, not sure about the US.
Jul 31st, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0US oil from shale - if it is developed - you forget - the US likes to have good oil reseves UNDERNEATH it - so it cannot be threatened - so they will extract some - but continue to import most - against the day they cannot import.
Give up - accept Argentina will never ever have any controlling say in what happens in or around the Islands - unless the people here agree to it - and that is very unlikley to happen!
231 Islander1
Jul 31st, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits you need to keep up..
“Should Saudi Arabia Fear North Dakota? One Man Says Yes”
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-fear-north-dakota-one-man-says-132802213.html
232 Marcos Alejandro
Aug 01st, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THAT IS THE SAME STORY YOU IDIOT!
I suggest YOU keep up, or better still go away and bother Gollum, you should get on well together.
233 ChrisR
Aug 01st, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for reading it again old fart :-)))
@234 Marcos,
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0When l get to that age, Marcos, l'd rather be an old fart than a young dickhead.
What are you, Marcos?
#235
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0He might not live that long. There's always hope !
235 lsolde
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Okay but go slow, it's been a while since you've taken someone as big as you. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNqChN3WHh8
#237
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0That confirms it, you are just a big prick !
@237 Marcos,
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ls that where you've been putting it all these years?
Wrong head, Marcos. Try a little lower down.
And your sentence doesn't make sense, either.
:-))))))))))))))))))
Thanks for the advise :-))
Aug 02nd, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#240
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I presume that you posed for this video....how else would you have known about it ?
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