MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ welcomes “positive step” by Argentina in marine conservation and fisheries management
The Falkland Islands Government has welcomed the announcement by the Senate of Argentina of the establishment of a Marine Protected Area (MPA) within the area of Burdwood Bank which lies within the Argentine Economic Zone, describing it as a “positive step” in the interest of marine conservation and fisheries management. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell reasoned letter. Waiting for the Gollum rant.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny ... now where did they get that idea from ??
Aug 06th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Pathetic and unfortunate:
Aug 06th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Islanders are not a country. They are not a nation. The world and the world opinion and refuse to be deceived by the UK. UK does not want to talk and does not meet international law. Evidenced by the fact that when Timerman went to London, the government refused to speak English as an equal with the Argentine government. Timerman did not fall into the trap set by the United Kingdom and the British islanders.
This paper strengthens the case Argentinos since they are a colony established in 1833 as defined by the committee of UN decolonization. So do not have the political stature, nor the identity enough to talk with the Argentine government.
British Islanders have a fundamental contradiction.
They want to talk as equals with the Argentine government, when in fact governed by a Governor (viceroy) imposed by colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English. His authority and government is London. They depend on the United Kingdom
All Argentine and Latin American are proud of defending our sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands to racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English
Argentina has the unanimous support of the many forums such as the Organization of American States (OAS), the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC), the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) and the Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR). African Nations Argentina had given its support through the Declaration of Malabo while the Lima Declaration united South American and Arab Countries in the calls for the United Kingdom to resume negotiations and cease from exploration and exploitation unilaterally hydrocarbon resources, (piracy) in the waters around the Malvinas Islands
Argentina suffered four British invasion: 1806-1807-1833-1845.
For these reasons it is confirmed that the specificity of the Malvinas conflict is the expulsion of civilian authorities and Argentine in 1833 and prevent its return.
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@3 It's the self-delusion, self-pity and pathetic hypocrisy of people like you that has helped to make Argentina such a dismal failure in the 21st century, so congratulations. Your country has no power, no leverage, no influence on us - you're weak, you're crooked, you're deceitful and you're inferior in every economic, cultural, technological and sociological way. Accept it and move on.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Once again, living nostalgically all the way back in the Napoleonic Era when South America was a colony of a French client state to make up for your 21st century failings. Get over it. Take responsibility for 1982. Grow up. And do find something you're good at.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3
Aug 06th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Talking Bollocks again. possession is 9/10 of the law. Get over it. You will not see in your lifetime Argentina control the islands. ( the Argies made sure of that when your country invaded the FALKLANDS.) It is a bit late after 30 yrs to say sorry.It would not change the status if Argentina said sorry, but of course they have their heads up their arses, so sorry is out of the question.
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Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 raul2
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The S. Atlantic has been British territory since long before Argentina existed.
The British peoples of the S Atlantic have more right to be there, than you Indian killers have to be in S. America.
FYI, at the last OAS summit the two most important countries, USA abstained from supporting Argentina and Canada voted against! Some unanimity that is.
Also the British have NEVER invaded Argentina.
1806 & 1807 were operations, and against the Spanish as Argentina did not exist then, you should know when you own country became independent.
In 1833 the British recovered territory invaded by UP 3 months earlier (the first Argentinian invasion of the Falklands).
In 1845 the British never set foot on dry land, simply blasted to rubble Argentinian positions from the river. An invasion it was definatly not.
Whether the Falklanders are a nation or not, they do control what happens in their waters, Argentina does not.
Whilst Argentina’s impotence in this (as in other matters (some viagra prehaps)) must be very disheartening for you, I strongly urge you to a least try and come to terms with it, you will at least feel better.
The only thing to do with Argentinian authorities trying to occupy British territory is expel them and prevent their return, any country would do the same under those circumstances.
4 Britninja
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the true hypocritical and dishonest. Look at yourself in a mirror.
The fact of not having weapons of mass destruction, which is for us a great virtue, does not mean being weak.
Instead, Argentina has a great influence in Latin America and the world.
Today our president is speaking in the Security Council for peace and dialogue in the world, betting on understanding and peace between peoples against the violence of the nuclear powers.
You lower all economic, cultural, technological and sociological. Accept it and move on.
Unfortunately you have a racist and colonialist thinking. Today world public opinion has changed and does not accept to be deceived by those who bet on racism, violence and terrorism English. We see with humanitarian bombing civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. The expulsion of Romanians and Bulgarians in England. Quite an achievement in 500 years of English culture. His hands are stained with blood.
Learn from Mahatma Gandhi
“There is no way to peace, peace is the way.”
5 GFace
You are a hypocrite. It's not about nostalgia, it's a matter of justice. We take responsibility for 1982 with a genocidal military junta backed by the UK before 1982 in the implementation of state terrorism.
Assume you four British invasion of Argentina (1806, 1807, 1833.1845) with the consequences and economic and social consequences of racism, colonialism and imperialism English and supported state terrorism by Britain before 1982.
What's worse is that in the 21st century you continuous support these atrocities and will not repent.
Well all the above comments and the article itself aside, Argentine waters (the Argentine Sea, or what is the continental shelf within the ARG EEZ), are not up for discussion. I still fail to grasp why the Falklands expect to have any say in the goings-ons withn Argentine economic waters. That's just off the table for ever and nothing they or the UK can do about it.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 raul2
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“British Islanders are not a country. They are not a nation”
Keep going asshole!!! THINK has said that they are not people, I guess it's easier for you to think of them that way. It makes it easier for you to steal their land, slaughter them? deny them human rights?
But then, that's all par for the course with you Argentinians isn't it? that's how you live, that's how you have always lived.
Jesus christ!, someone hurry up and invent a time machine!
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can send these people where they belong and where they obviously like to live, two centuries in the past.
Shit, never seen such a bunch of cry baby martyrs.
What's your national dress mate?
Cos the way you constantly whinge, weep and wail, my guess is that it is Sack Cloth and Ashes.
@9 Small problem there Raul, I'm not British and was not part of the 19th century cold war in South America between the UK and France-Spain that was in place before Argentina existed. You cheered for the genocidal Junta when they gave you more necks to step on and you try to pass the blame for it on the UK when it was their defeat of your fascist military and your disappointment with the Junta that finally got you reject them. Pathetic. You cry about colonialism and atrocities when your own country owes its existence to the genocide of the SA First Nations and naked unrepentant colonialism from brown people by white people. You talk of peace and dialog but y0u lust for the fruits of your own short-lived fascist glory, dehumanize the people who have lived in the Falklands longer than many european dependence have lived in Argentina, while cowardly running from a talks with two representatives of the 3000 people you so desperately want to oppress. If that ain't hypocrisy I don't know what is.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a lie is you life in your empty bitter Malvanista Bubble.
@10
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And to be clear, I mean Argentine waters out to 200km, and leaving alone the Falkland Islands EEZ, which should be recognized.
But it is terribly dim for the Falkands to protest Argentine inclusion of part of their waters, stating
“...we firmly reject the applicability of Argentine domestic legislation within the area of Burdwood Bank...”
“...retains the sole authority and responsibility for marine management and conservation matters.”
Yet they want to discuss our legislation within our waters, masked as “mutual cooperation”. Who are they kidding? Why do Anglo peoples have this endless recidivism towards double-speak?
Argentina should leave FI waters alone (the facto it is no threat), and the Falklands should stop hoping to have a say in Argentina's internal laws. Simple as that.
#3 you stupid ass, ignoramus, half breed (you are not indigenous) Spanish use-to-be- Spaniard wanna-be Spaniard moron.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world is not on your side....Angola....Syria....Lebanon......and the rest South America, a collective heaping, steamy pile of human refuse of the sphincter order of people haphazardly living together under dictators, you call nations? They as countries to not even deserve to be allowed to continue. If China did not need to strip South America of it's resources, South America would be flushed down the drain.
*GB laid claim before Argentina was incubated and hatched
*Even if the above were not the case, GB has populated and maintained since
*Why did Felipe Arana Sign the 1850 Convention of Settlement restoring foreign relations with England and putting all differences behind them not mention the Falklands?
“Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain, and his Excellency the Governor and Captain-General of the Province of Buenos Ayres, charged with the foreign relations of the Argentine Confederation, being desirous of putting an end to the existing differences, and of restoring perfect relations of friendship, in accordance with the wishes manifested by both Governments; the Government of Her Britannic Majesty having declared that it has no separate or interested object in view, nor any other desire than to see securely established the peace and independence of the States of the River Plate, as recognized by Treaty; have named to that effect as their Plenipotentiaries, viz.:”
They signed it and ratified it. WTF!
If that was not enough, 1982 war YOU LOST....DID ANYONE TELL YOU THERE IS NO SECOND PLACE IN WARFARE?
You are a clown.....it is as simple as that !!!!!!!! Now entertain us all!
@10 It's another example of maturity and patience in the face of Argentina's childish scheming, Tobi. Your country can't even do something seemingly positive like marine preservation without using it as a tool to try and steal. Despite this, rather than simply telling the collection of moral deviants that run your country to F.O, the Falklands government are offering an olive branch in the interests of co-operation and positivite results for all. (Obviously your government won't accept because they're scum)
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 raul2
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are the true hypocritical and dishonest”
.....And you are behind the times, your are brainwashed AND you are talking b*ll*cks
@16
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands want to impose their laws within our waters, that's just never going to happen.
@18 It's not about them tyrannically imposing anything on you, it's more a case of “hope springs eternal” that one day you'll do something sensible rather than sabotaging yourselves and everyone else around you. I do agree that co-operation is highly unlikely though.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britninja, that is code word for “we know better than you do”. That is not a way to foster cooperation, when one of the parties has already decided the other has to do as they do.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Dany Berger chill out. Not South America's fault that Europe has become so irrelevant in the world, and the only time it has made news since 2010 is for riots from London, to Manchester, to Paris, to Athens, to Stockholm, terrorist attacks in Norway, Netherlands, and Moscow. or because of massive protests of economic plight in Spain, Italy, France, Hungary, Ukraine, or train/bus crashes one after the other, both in southern and northern Europe.
None of that is South america's fault.
@Raul2
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The English are expelling Romanians and Bulgarians are they? No i think you are misinformed - the UK (of which England is one of 4 constituent countries) is in the process of removing all controls that could prevent the entry of Romanians and Bulgarians.
We haven't been imperial for at least 60 years, you really do need to vary your reading more.
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Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are desperate for a fight, not going to happen. I stated what “our waters” are: 200 EEZ, like any other nation, and excluding Falklands Islands EEZ.
But as a good British it seems you do claim Argentine EEZ waters as your own too. Then you wonder why we are so antagonistic?
Tobi, we do know better than you lol. It's obvious and common sense. The Argentine position is to unsustainably plunder the sea of every fish they can get their hands on until there are none left for anyone, Argentina included.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands position is “Um do you not think we should be planning a little more long term so, you know, your fisherman as well as ours don't go out of business?”
Argentina favours arrogance and belligerence over common sense. That's why you're all so screwed up.
@24
Aug 06th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't you and all of Europe have “that view”? So who are you to judge now?
No one, that's who.
Tell us another one. just like the other one, tell us another one do!
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SPMSL
EU arses kissers calling them irrelevant, priceless!!!!!!!!!
As all can see Reality check has no argument. Zip. He can't admit Falklands cannot and will not have any say in internal argentine waters outside their own. Can't use military, can't use moral, can't use international bodies to change that.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, stop picking on me, or have you forgotten already!
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Short attention span or something?
I am irrelevant.
Saying you had no argument to what I said is not picking on you. Europeans are just too sensitive to criticism.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 08-H Pugol
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not lie more. Study and read Argentina and Latin American history and you will realize.
Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845). All historians agree that it was within the framework or context of racism, colonialism and imperialism 19th century English. I recommend as Felipe Piña Argentine authors, Fermin Chavez, Julio Irazusta, José María Rosa, Arturo Jaureche, Raúl Scalabrini Ortiz, Manuel Galvez, etc..
I recommend the following link:
http://www.encuentro.gov.ar/sitios/encuentro/programas/detallePrograma?rec_id=103988
http://www.encuentro.gov.ar/sitios/encuentro/programas/detallePrograma?rec_id=103988
http://www.encuentro.gov.ar/sitios/encuentro/programas/detallePrograma?rec_id=103988
11 toooldtodieyoung
“British Islanders are not a country. They are not a nation”
It is entirely correct.
The committee of the United Nations decolonization categorized as a colony. British Islanders have their human rights should be respected. Argentina never denied basic human rights. The British islanders problem is that there may be British in Argentine territory. In other words there was Argentine expelled in 1833 and usurped their land.
13 GFace
The fact of not being British pound not guilt. You have total ignorance of the historical and social processes. Argentina does not oppress anyone. Continuous UK pressing and indirectly threatening to launch nukes Argentina to reclaim what belongs peacefully.
I have no guilt that you support racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English in the world.
If this is not hypocrisy, not what it is.
@27 I guess if its warms your heart than yes, you'll have the pyrrhic “victory” of knowing that Argentina boldly rejected sensible advice, went its own path and ruined things all on its own. You can triumphantly wallow in your own failure.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ultimately I'm sure the Falklanders would settle for Argentina just buggering off and not pestering them anymore anyway. Don't forget that this letter is a *response* to yet another one of your country's stunts. They started it, as usual.
Look Toby, for AR and the FI to content with the EZZ conflicts and the tradedy of the commons that is the adjacent waters, they actually have to be willing to talk at the same table. As you are fully aware, it is your government that refuses to do so. I for one am fine with both countries accepting international norms on this and discussing conservation matters on a live and let live basis, indeed I am all for it. But if CFK and Timerman won't speak to the FIG out of fear of loosing face over a case it has never had, then the fault lies with your government not the FIG. More still if AR is refusing to talk with the FIG over this so that it can continue overfishing and winge about no one wanting to talk to them, well... Argentina is too old to play the perpetual teenager. It's just not becoming.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TTT
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you do a Google Images search for Burdwood Bank. It spans both Argentine waters AND Falklands waters. Of course Argentina can do what it likes in its own waters, as long as Argentina leaves the Falklands and the Falkland's waters alone then everyone is happy.
10 The Truth PaTroll
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such thing as the Argentine sea! It is called the Atlantic Ocean. only losers would rename something to try and make their claim look better. ha ha. bog off.
Jesus christ on a crutch!!!!!!!
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This just keeps getting better and better. “Continuous UK pressing and indirectly threatening to launch nukes Argentina to reclaim what belongs peacefully.”
Allowing for the fact that this guy is not using his first language.
Did he just claim that we have threatend to nuke them?
Raul.. why do you believe all that rubbish. You should study the British version. Life in Arjuntina should have already taught youvthat you live in a community of serial liars. Sorry, but you have been fed lies. Go back to 1690 and read how the Falklands was claimed for England. Why do you think so many nations are part of our commonwealth which includes many of the worlds most civilised countrys? If we are colonialists why do so many join with us?
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think you sounded smart? You just proved how poor the education system in your islands is. There is both the Atlantic Ocean and the Argentine sea, the latter being a part of the former.
There is nothing renamed, it is an internationally accepted name both potitically and scientifically. Do try harder next time.
#34 what is wrong with you? It is on the same charts as the Massachusetts Sea, just south of the Nova Scotia Sea. Everyone has a sea.....We have a Maine Sea too, even a tine New Hampsire Sea,
Aug 06th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Connecticut Sea
New York Sea
Pennsylvania Sea
Maryland Sea
Delaware Sea
Virginia Sea
North Carolina Sea
South Carolina Sea
Georgia Sea
and a Florida Sea
Cap
Aug 06th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FYI the Argentina Sea has moved in a little bit to La Plata and large parts of BA.
I find it so ironic all the crying about the nave “Malvinas” (which I have never used), yet look at all the squirming around a simple fact that the Argentine Sea is recognized as a name, around the world. And it makes complete sense geographically and biologically/scientifically, for a myriad of reasons.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just “google” it... it comes up as a google map location, as a wikipedia article, as an entry in respected newspapers, in scientific journals... must be a world conspiracy, since everyone loves Argentina so much.
The losers that inhabit this website have no problem with South China sea, Persian gulf, Gulf of Mexico, Indian Ocean, Arabian Sea, English Channel, Sea of Japan, but whoa “Argentine Sea”... NEVER!
And the you wonder why I find a racial component deep down in all of you. Troubled people.
@3 Some slight but obvious defects with your drivel. The Islands do not have to be what you call a “country” or a “nation”. They have an adequate level of self-government and self-determination as defined in the UN Charter. When tinboy went to London he was received by the Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs. You refer to the Islanders as “British”. Therefore, it is a matter for the Secretary of State who is present on the British “side”. Little tinboy ran away.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders are not governed by the Governor. The Governor is the representative of the Crown. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth does not “govern” the UK. It's you that have no idea.
You're big on quoting irrelevancies, aren't you? Those largely latam organisations are irrelevant to the UK.
How did argieland “suffer” British invasions in 1806 and 1807? Argieland didn't exist. What's this “invasion” in 1833? You mean the re-establishment of British rule on Islands which have never belonged to argieland. At best, argies have been trespassers. And there was no invasion in 1845 either. Argieland had no recognised jurisdiction over the rivers in question. Never mind, perhaps when you get to be a teenager, you'll “understand” more!
@9 Afraid that it is you that is the hypocrite. I know you'll understand. With regard to the speeches of your Fuhrer, she's good for a laugh. Have you considered getting one not afflicted with senile dementia?
@10 Poor boy. Falklands waters have been defined. We won't discuss them either. Watch out for the missile down the throat.
@30 Still a prat then! Anybody willing to accept the words of a latino? Thought not. Argie websites? Trash.
Just as a clue. The C24 has no authority. None whatsoever.
@34 Got to tell you that there is an area of water called the Argentine Sea. Unfortunately, Google seem to be intent on reducing the number of times it uses a word beginning “argentin”. But you can check it out here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Sea
@30 You just keep stepping in it, Raul. “Argentina does not oppress anyone” Well yeah... OUTSIDE of your national boundaries, and BOY does that seem to p!ss you off with respect to the Falklands that you can't project your government against the will of the Islanders.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't force your laws to the Falklands that make it a crime to disagree with the INDEC -- I mean come on! You literally cannot speak math to power in Argentina! Meanwhile the Islanders can gladly question any policy and its “official” data as you can in any liberal democracy. You can't project your press restrictions or break up contrarian outlets like Clarin or other outlets that don't bray to the party line while no one can stop the Islanders or other brits from seeing Kate Middleton's boobies in tabloids or exercise their most fundamental human right to call her mother-in-law anything but a white woman. You are even starting to make it illegal for language aficionados like our beleaguered Tobi here to watch, enjoy and learn from his foreign films in the original language without it being dubbed into spanish by local translators, but you can't stop the Islanders from watching the tele in English (and also can telenovellas in the native Spanish). You don't oppress others but you make it clear what you'd do to the people who have just voted to say “NO” to your colonialist fantasies, which according to you is also a crime since you fascists, like all the fascists before you, don't believe they have that other critical human right: self-determination, a right so clear that is in the UN charter and your best attempts at wiping it out for the Islanders in the GA failed. What a loser. I'm sure there is SOMETHING you're good at Raul, telling the usual Malvanista drivel in a credible manner isn't one of them.
Its nice to work with friends,
Aug 06th, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but it should be pointed out, friends it is,
not a future change of ownership,
but will CFK see it this way.
14 The Truth PaTrol
Aug 06th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentina should leave FI waters alone (the facto it is no threat), and the Falklands should stop hoping to have a say in Argentina's internal laws. Simple as that.”
The Falklands don't want a say in Argentine waters. They want Argentina to do its part in the management of fish stocks that cross international maritime boundaries or into international waters, which Argentina has the obligation to do as a signatory of the UN straddling stocks agreement.
http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_overview_fish_stocks.htm
well there seems to be an argentine sea, but not very much info online about it. Couldn't find any maps showing its surface area. I am guessing its an argentinean centric name, most of the information is for Spanish speaking people. I think I shell call it the Atlantic Ocean! :) as there's no reason to call it anything else.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(anyone else think its like renaming Staten Island, from the Dutch Stateneiland too Isla de los Estados because it sounds more spainish/colonist argentinean. Remember they had a colony until the 1990's)
@ 40 Sea of Japan, but whoa “Argentine Sea”... NEVER!
Aug 06th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well check out Sea of Japan, it's another problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Japan_naming_dispute
I will say Argentine sea appeared from google not so long ago, so i guess google got paid to put it on their maps.
Just as a reminder for the trolls:
Aug 06th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Falklands.permanence.png
Finally an intelligent Argentine, isn't it funny how when they spend sometime in the real world, they see Argentina for what it is - there is hope!
Aug 06th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/137832/%E2%80%98it%E2%80%99s-sad-seeing-how-argentines-get-used-to-living-in-bad-conditions%E2%80%99
When you came back to Argentina did you feel the country had made any progress?
I find Argentina the same way I left it. People are always complaining about the same things, public services still awful, etc. It is depressing to take the subway. That is why I use my bike to go everywhere... It’s a pity and I feel sad to see how we get used to living in bad conditions. There is no reaction whatsoever. It seems that there is no desire to have a better lifestyle. We are like animals, we get used to what others give us.
After living in another country for years, you may see things in a different way...
We don’t have the same resources as the US, so I am not comparing the two countries. But we have the chance to seek inspiration on how other countries carry on their economy and society.
Would you like to be a politician?
No way! I am not interested in it at all!
What do you think about the conflict between some media and the government?
I think it is a way to distract public’s attention, while they are hiding other issues. Divide and rule. It is easier to handle a society which is split and divided into different extremes. We should be a more intelligent society. It is sad to see that people believing that if you support Buenos Aires City Mayor Mauricio Macri or Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner you should be an enemy of the other side. Why cannot we have balanced thinking? Why shouldn’t we be in favour of some aspects of one government and some of others?
Argentina is just like Egypt. Rural poor vote for a dolt - KFC. Intelligent urban population disenfranchised. Egypt tackled the problem with a military coup. Watch this space - but intelligent RGs aren't angry enough (yet) !
Aug 06th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT - I think what ithe Islands Govt is really saying - if Arg is serious about Marine Conservation etc - lets sit down like we used to - under the Sov Umbrella so no side looses/wins whatever is said - and discuss what we can BOTH do TOGETHER to further Marine Conservation and profitable Commercial Fishing in the overall area that we mutually control.
Aug 06th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am surprised more buildings don't blow up in Argentina. When it is so easy to pay the inspector why bother doing anything the right way?
Aug 06th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Toby would say, what a lovely country
Simple as that
3 raul2 (#)
Aug 06th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm afraid your mistaken. The UN decolonisation commitee did not define the Falklands as a colony established in 1833. It was placed on the list on non-self governing territories by the UK. The people of the Falklands, the majority of whom identify themselves as Falkland Islanders, have the right of self determination BECAUSE they are on the list. The commitee exists to facilitate self government in accordance with the wishes of the inhabitants. The commitee is NOT an international court. Nor is it competent to adjudicate in sovereignty disputes. Given that Britain has an historic claim of sovereignty dating from January 1765, it is difficult to see what Argentina claim is based on. Especially since they recognised British sovereignty in 1850 in a treaty signed by Argentinas Foreign Secretary Felipe Arana.
The islanders request for multi-national cooperation with regard to research and preservation of fish stocks seems reasonable and pragmatic.
Argentina should show some diplomatic maturity and respond in a spirit of good will.
committee of UN .
@30 raul2
Aug 06th, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Raul, Viagra not working I see!
This is not about Latin American history, but South Atlantic history, in which neither Latin Americans nor Spaniards played any part, and that’s the point here, and what shows who is being Colonial.
“All historians agree” – You C*nt, excuse my French.
Never in history, have all historians agreed!!!!, on anything!!!
And please tell us exactly which historians claim Argentina was in existence in 1806 & 1807, then we’ll get onto the “invasions”, and the definitions of military operations of vastly different sizes.
Like calling a war canoe a battleship and hoping nobody notices, because they both float.
You C*nt, excuse my French everybody else.
@ 37 The Truth PaTroll
“Argentine Sea” appears nowhere in any British atlas.
Exist it may do, “internationally accepted name both potitically and scientifically” it is not.
Problem is it includes areas of British/Falklands controlled waters, hence the reluctance to admit it even exists.
These thing are used to augment spurious sovereignty claims, as I am sure you are aware.
Raul2
Aug 07th, 2013 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rather than just cut and paste more shit, please can you honestly answer the following questions:
Set A
1) How many people lived on the Falkland islands on January 6th 1833
2) What were their nationalities
3) How many were evicted or murdered
4) How long had the evictees or murder victims been on the islands
SET B
1) How many people lived in Patagonia in 1880
2) What were their nationalities
3) How many were evicted or murdered
4) How long had the evictees or murder victims been in Patagonia
Answers:
Set 1
1) Fewer than 80
2) They were multinational including many from Britain and the UP
3) 54 were evicted, nobody was harmed
4) the evictees had been on the islands for 8 weeks
Set B
1) Hundreds of thousands
2) Various Amerindian tribes
3) A mass genocide slaughtered tens of thousands
4) The indigenous people had been there for millenia
Now, you explain which is “usurption”, which is “19th century colonialism”, which is a “disruption of territorial integrity”
You a a hypocritical turd Raul, return Patagonia to the indigenous Americans, give them full retribution for all the minerals you have stolen from them, an perhaps your Malvinas claim MIGHT appear anything other than a greedy pathetic land grab...
Of course you wont...because you a a turd..so is you President.
You've been told before, many times, Raul.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0But l'll tell you again.
You are telling lies.
Your country has lied to you & you believe it.
And if you do believe it,
That makes you an idiot.
lf you don't believe it but keep repeating it all then,
You are a liar too, Raul.
What are you, Raul?
A liar or an ldiot.
@53 If you take a look on Google Maps, in the area of the Falkland Islands and at the appropriate zoom factor, you will find the “Argentine Sea”. It's not of any great relevance. Logic dictates that it only means that it is an area of water adjacent to a country with the same name.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Aug 07th, 2013 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually no civilians were evicted from the Falklands, only the Argie military detachment. The only ones murdered were the victims of Rivero and his gang. The criminal gang was later rounded up for trial but eventually deported to Argentina due to jurisdiction issues. The only civilians ever to be evicted was a few Falklanders on the Argentine shit list in 82.
CjvR
Aug 07th, 2013 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, I agree that only the militia who'd been present for two months and had already murdered, raped and mutineed were evicted.
Compare this to the tens of thousands of Amerindians massacred at the hands of Argentine colonialism 50 years later.
The hypocrisy is gob-smacking and sickening.
Until Argentina prove that the Falklands isnt just another of their ethnic cleansing colonial ambitions by withdrawing from Patagonia and making full retribution to the indigenous people, there is really nothing to discuss.
If every country was given what it wanted or claimed in the 21st century,
Aug 07th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many free independent countries would be left..
.
@3
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK does not want to talk and does not meet international law”
Because the Falklands is a DE- colonialisation issue, not a RE colonisation by another colonial power (ie Imperialist Argentina) issue, then as it states in 2065 (I N D E P E N D E N C E), then there cannot be talks without the people that live on the Falkland Islands-that is de-colonialisation.
“All Argentine and Latin American are proud of defending our sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands to racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English”
racism,
Argentina is racist toward the Falkland islanders as their primary language is not Spanish
colonialism
It is Argentina that wants to make the Islands a colony of Argentina rather than to permit autonomy
imperialism
Argentina is Imperialist-wanting territory in the South Atlantic that is nowhere near South America. Your Imperialism killed off most of the native Patagonians but it didn't quite work in 1982 when you Imperialists lost your empire and were sent packing with your tails between your legs like whimpering dogs.
The UK are happy to talk about the Falklands with the Islanders present (as PER 2065).
Argentina will not speak because your own implanted population butchered most of the native population of Patagonia.
“Argentina suffered four British invasion: 1806-1807”
You don't even know when Argentina became independent-should you not find out more about your own country?
-1833-Britain re-established the claim on the Falklands it had never surrendered since 1690.
Argentina did not land on the Falklands in 1690 as it did not exist.
Poor Argentina,
Aug 08th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the wannaby loners,
unwanted , uncared for ,
still,
children must grow up sometime..lol
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