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“Argentina, the Falklands and the UN: Self-determined”
This week’s incursion of President Cristina Fernandez at the United Nations Security Council, (because during August Argentina holds the rotating presidency of the council9 caught the attention of The Economist in a brief piece under the heading “Argentina, the Falklands and the UN: self determined”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGollum Gollum sssss... I must have it, I wants it, nasty English they stole it! It's near me so its mine precioussssss. Nasty foreigners. My people gave it to me so its mine. My friends say its mine so it is! Ya boo. Ssssss...
Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina with help from deluded regional organisations CELAC and UNASUR managed to transform the United Nations Security Council into a circus!
Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0They should be ashamed.
What place these regional organisations have in the UNSC I will never know.
'The World's 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves MUST have complete freedom in deciding their future status,' Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon told a forum on decolonization.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.speroforum.com/a/33140/Remaining-nonselfgoverning-territories-must-have-full-freedom-of-choice-Ban-says#.UdHcad5wz9B
... Jesus tap dancing Christ, are there not more pressing issues the UNSC should be discussing;
Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0*The Syrian civil war,
*North Korea's nuclear weapons program and continuing belligerence against the South,
*China's increasingly aggressive assertions of dominance throughout the South China Sea,
*China and Japan squaring off over islands they both claim,
*Iran's suspected nuclear weapons program,
*The American cluster-f*ck that is Afghanistan and post invasion Iraq,
*Piracy off of Somalia,
*Piracy in the Malacca Straights,
*Political instability in Egypt,
*Instability in post Gaddafi Libya,
*Instability throughout numerous central African nations,
*Counter insurgency operations in Mali,
*The general threat of terrorism throughout the entire world.
Of all those potential topics, what does Kirchner bring up? That's right, she bangs on about the Falklands and Argentina's ludicrous claim to the Islands that no one, save the tinpot governments of ONE particular continent, gives a sh*t about!
Maybe we'll have more luck discussing the things that really matter when Australia replaces Argentina...
@2 Steve-33
Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too right. Cuba involved in military activity with North Korea, the latin-only clubs of CELAC, the failure to recognize the democratic rights of islanders.
The hypocritical dig at the colonial nature of the islands... so did argentines magically appear latam, nope... they were colonialists who decided to break off from the mothership... long after the british claimed the falklands.
@4 Why don't you add some more?
Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0* The criminality of argieland;
* The illegal actions of argieland;
* The mental instability of argieland's “president”;
* The illegitimate actions of mercosur and unasur;
* The unacceptable belligerency of latam and its various breaches of the UN Charter.
It's a pity that Sir Mark Lyall Grant had insufficient time to formulate a far-reaching and hard-hitting response.
He could have outlined argieland's continuing LIES about the Falkland Islands. LIES that it has expressed before the UN. Its refusal to comply with UNSC resolutions, that ARE mandatory. Its failure to comply with the UN Charter. Its failure to observe international law. And the complicity of certain other “members”. He could have mentioned argieland's failure to comply with the law of the jurisdiction under which it chose to issue its fraudulent bonds. Perhaps he could have alluded to the disappearance of millions of dollars in argieland and CFK's amazing prosperity. He could have mentioned that Britain's alleged nuclear missile-carrying vessels have no need to enter the South Atlantic to immolate argieland. Perhaps he could have closed by reminding those present that sticky-fingered “heads of state” tend to finish up in prison.
How unfortunate that Sir Mark is both polite and a gentleman.
Loved the fact they dragged the Cuban out to bitch about the alleged UK missile carring boat in the South Atlantci. I think if I were a politician I would have been inclined to respond with.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Would the honourable delegate be satisfied if the government of the UK gives the Council the assurance, that any weapons on British vessels deployed in the South Altlantic, will be covered with sacks of sugar.”
What a bunch of half witted morons!
The more Arg gradually starts to see it is loosing support - other than a few meaningless words from those who dont want her squealing in their ears as neighbours all the time- the more of a fantasia-world it tries to paint!
Aug 09th, 2013 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sad really that a nation that was a good one at one time is collapsing daily - but her and the twit,s antics always give Islanders a good laugh.
Well done Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner! She seized the opportunity of being in the chair of the UN Security Council to draw attention to the smug complacency of the British government and its repeated ignoring of the UN resolutions concerning the question of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas. The UK’s representative at the UN, Mark Lyall, fell back lamely on the argument of self-determination for the islanders.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Contrary to the view expressed by The Economist – “Ms Fernández's backers did not appear to see the paradox in their praise for the principle of self-determination” - there is no paradox here. The Falkland Islanders simply do not enjoy the right of self-determination. They are not recognized as a “people” by the very body that Fernandez was addressing. In the case of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas self-determination and its expression in the referendum in March are just a huge sham that will never pass on the American countries – north and south – nor indeed on the rest of the world familiar with British imperialism.
They look like people to me. And of course they have the right of self determination as do the people currently living in Argyland.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's brief moment of glory.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty ragged performance, not many noticed anyway.
@9 Devolverislas,
Too bad, her words are as ridiculous as her country's “claims”.
We are still here & there is NOTHING that you can do about it.
Hard cheese, old man.
Tough!
9 devolverislas, Need we remind you about the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s speech say that all the non-self governing territories have the right to self-determination :p
Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The international community is more convinced than ever that colonialism has no place in the modern world. The eradication of colonialism, in keeping with the principles of the Charter and the relevant United Nations resolutions, is our common endeavour. This requires the constructive involvement of all concerned — the Special Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories — working on a case-by-case basis.”
the Special Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories — working on a case-by-case basis. hmm thats weird nothing about Argentina's right to steal the falklands lol.
@9 Devolverislas:
Aug 09th, 2013 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop putting your head in the sand.
You've been directed to this before
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/63/110&referer=http
7(c) : “To continue to examine the political, economic and social situation in the Non-Self-Governing Territories, and to recommend, as appropriate, to the General Assembly the most suitable steps to be taken to enable the populations of those Territories to exercise their right to self-determination, including independence, in accordance with the relevant resolutions on decolonization, including resolutions on specific Territories”
You sir, are a liar and a bad one to boot.
You've got to love the Cuban contribution, especially given that the UKs SLBMs are counter-attack weapons with a range of about 11,000km. The only (known or suspected) nuclear weapon owning state that has any part of it within 11,000km of Falkland Sound is the one that is the least likely to get into a nuclear war with the UK.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meaning that it would be almost the single most useless place in the world to have a SSBN patrolling.
@9DevolvedArgie
Aug 09th, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Contrary to the view expressed by The Economist – “Ms Fernández's backers did not appear to see the paradox in their praise for the principle of self-determination” - there is no paradox here. The Falkland Islanders simply do not enjoy the right of self-determination. They are not recognized as a “people” by the very body that Fernandez was addressing. In the case of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas self-determination and its expression in the referendum in March are just a huge sham that will never pass on the American countries – north and south – nor indeed on the rest of the world familiar with British imperialism.”
1) No, Ban Ki Moon has stated that the Islanders are entitled to self-determination as the population ( people) of the territory.
2) USA does not support Argentina's claim of sovereignty over the Falklands
3) Canada has endorsed the Falklanders Referendum and has stated that Canada recognises their sovereignty and right to sel-determination.
4) there are at least another 50 countries that openly respect the self determination and sovereignty of Falklanders.
5) international corporations ignore Argentina's spurious claims and apply to the FIG for licences to fish and drill for oil.
Nothing you said is true.
@9 devolverlasislas
Aug 09th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are completely deluded just as is la Kretina. Why don't you read what the Secretary General has said?
I think the thing that Kirchner is missing here is she needs to be talking to someone that gives a f**k, because the UN are not interested in this subject, the reason being they cannot intervene anyway and even if they could the bare facts are the islands are British, she could chose to take it to the Hague, but we all know how that would go, as does she.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0not a fan of war, but I'm not overly keen on this nicey nicey approach, perhaps the best way to send a message to these idiots in Spain and Argentina would be just to retaliate, I know I know it's not worth it, and I have said in the past Britain needs to do nothing really, just sit and wait in the mean time laugh at these muppets, but, well I'm getting a little f**king bored now tbh and it's about time these idiocy nations knew there place in the world.
1. Send a T45 to Gibraltar, wait till something invades Gib waters, then blow it up “sorted” continue to do this until they run out of boats and what not, I'm sure they would start to get the message.
2. Impose sanctions on Argentina, stop all imports to the UK and get our banking sector in London to divert funds to Chile and use Chile as a South American financial centre, invest more into Chile and stop IMF funding from Britain going to Argentina, I mean I know they do a good job of killing their own economy but f**k it lets help them out.
180 years Falklands
309 years Gibraltar
And they are still banging on about it, wtf is wrong with these people
The Gollum thing was funny. Hahaha
Aug 09th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think, Dover, BK, Voice and Vestige are rethinking their blind devotion to Mrs Kirchner. Rats and sinking ship comes to mind.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 13 screenname
Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bit i like about the resolution you reference is the fact that Argentina voted 'for' it as they have done for the similar preceding ones and those that came after including the one last year, 67/134, all of which say much the same thing, populations of the NSGT's do have the right to self-determination. Nice to know that the RG's do support that principle.
“They are not recognised as a people.”
Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only by a fascist South American failure of a state, hell bent on a campaign of colonial ethnic cleansing and theft. Supported by other dubious states, renown for their ultra high standards of human rights behaviour towards their fellow citizens and with long and distinguished histories as democracies!
The rest of the world ignores you for the idiots that you and they are, or do you really believe your endless whining and whinging is working and you will one day succeed, because if you do, the rest of the world has news for you, it aint!
@21 It's called having a third-world mentality.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0State one instance of my......“blind devotion to Mrs Kirchner. ”.....just one and if you can't.....Shut the Fcuk up!
@23 ooohhh touchy
Aug 09th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dictators, who put their own deluded fantasies before their own people, are doomed to failure,
Aug 09th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those who care more about their own ambitions than their own people are doomed to failure,
Those who blame others for their own incompetence and corruption, are doomed to fail.
CFK , is doomed to fail,
And she knows it,
But she will spend the rest of her time, making sure her people don’t.
Just a thought..
.
25
Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not quite all! .....The name Joseph Stalin springs to mind!
Joseph Stalin
Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah the killer of millions,
But depending on how one looks at him,
Did he fail?
And at what,
Apparently he was so feared he was dead hours before anyone had the guts to knock on his door.?
.
'Argentina’s Neo-Colonialism - It is Argentina that is acting like a neo-colonial power with respect to the Falklands, not the United Kingdom.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0~ ...however, President Kirchner used the Security Council platform to once again challenge the United Kingdom over the future status of the Falkland Islands, comparing the dispute between Argentina and the UK to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Against the clearly expressed wishes of the people themselves who reside on the islands, which are nearly 1000 miles away from mainland Argentina, Argentina is nevertheless claiming sovereignty over them. In continuing to do so, Argentina is rejecting completely the wishes of the Falkland residents who overwhelmingly expressed their desire in a referendum last spring to maintain their semi-autonomous political status as a British Oversea Territory. By flouting the cardinal principle of self-determination enshrined in the United Nations Charter and key UN resolutions, Argentina is acting like a neo-colonialist...'
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57103
'Argentina to buy Mirage, China waited breathlessly fate of FC-1'
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57103
'Argentina and Thailand deepen integration ~ ...Zuain, as noted, “acknowledged the support of Thailand to the resolutions urge the United Kingdom to resume bilateral negotiations on the Malvinas Question and highlighted the work done by that country in chairing the Human Rights Council of the United Nations from 2010 and 2011 ”...'
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57103
Poor Mrs Kirchner, the cocks start crowing and her most loyal disciples deny her and stab her in the back. How very sad she deserves much better.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps she would like to re-write the rules in her image..lol.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but would she be satisfied being Queen of the world.
@9
Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ draw attention to the smug complacency of the British government and its repeated ignoring of the UN resolutions concerning the question of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas.”
Res 502 was mandatory and Argentina ignored that resolution, though Kretina conveniently forgets that.
Therefore Argentina, who have ignored several UN resolutions can't lecture the UK on this.
The UK don't have to discuss 2065-as they are doing more to propel the Islanders to Independence(one of the aims of 2065), than Argentina are.
As Argentina do not take any of the Islanders interests into account or pay any attention to the UN Charter (also referred to in 2065), they are breaking resolution 2065, therefore no need for the UK to discuss a resolution that was broken in any case in 1982 by Argentina's act of war.
Go feed Maximo some more pies and burgers-he's hungry.
#31... ”The UK don't have to discuss 2065-as they are doing more to propel the Islanders to Independence(one of the aims of 2065), than Argentina are.”
Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're doing more than that. They ARE ~explicitly~ in compliance with 2065 with respect to meeting with Argentina. They are supposed to take the interests of the Islanders into account and they are explicitly doing so every time they say they want the Island representation at the table. It is Argentina who are in explicit violation by running away like cowards whenever they are about to encounter an elected representative of a mere 3000 people. This year they did exactly that and Timerman ran away from the meeting with Hague like a sniveling coward and the whole world knows it.
She wants it for free for her own ego,
Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she will not care for it , look after it ,
just take what she can , then dump it.
9 Devolverislas (#)
Aug 09th, 2013 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm afraid you are wrong. The Falklands has the right of self-detemination under international law BECAUSE they are on the list of non-self governing territories. It beats me why they are on the list since they have had an elected legislature since 1842. Government House (GH to the locals) itself was built in 1847. When was the Casa Rosada built? The islanders have rights because they are people. Its ridiculous to claim you can transfer a territory from one country to another and then argue that the people living on that territory have no say in the matter.
@9 Devolverislas
Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have a read of the following article...
''Argentina’s Neo-Colonialism - It is Argentina that is acting like a neo-colonial power with respect to the Falklands, not the United Kingdom....'
canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/57103
@ Devolverislas,
Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Change your name, mate as you will NEVER return to OUR lsles.
@ 34 rupertbrooks0
Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The right of the Islanders to self-determination has also been reiterated by the UN General Assembly annually for several years. The last time being with resolution 67/134 last year which in paragraph 7(c) states extremely clearly that the 'populations' of the NSGT's do have the right to self -determination.
What I find ironic is that Argentina voted in favor of this resolution, and all the previous similar annual resolutions, meaning that they are in agreement with the right of the Islanders to self-determination.
Odd, ain't it?
@13 screenname
Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Biguggy
The resolution which @screenname cites from the 63rd session:-
www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.aspsymbol=A/RES/63/110&referer=http
does NOT apply to the Falkland Islands/Malvinas. I suggest you read UN document A/663/408 to see those territories to which it does apply.
I have just put in a search for UN document A/663/408 and the UN website says it does not exist?????
Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Peter Bog
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for the error. Should be A/63/408
@38 Devolverislas
Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, just indicate to me where General Assembly Resolution 67/134 excludes the Falkland Islands.
'Gibraltar? Spanish? Argentine Falklands??
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain, along with Argentina, are the only two Gibraltar? Spanish? Argentine Falklands?? ~ ...Spain, along with Argentina, are the only two countries that have not bowed the colonial desire in the UK. China got the reversal of Hong Kong. Many have been the territories liberated from the yoke of Yak Union flag in the last century. But political weakness, military and economic Hispanic / Argentina Falklands and Gibraltar prevents change of flag...'
http://www.teinteresa.es/jose_ramon_pin/Gibraltar-espanol-Malvinas-argentinas_0_971903213.html
@38 Devolverislas
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A/63/408 is NOT a resolution, it is a report, on the other hand A/RES/63/110 IS a resolution and is interesting because that was the year (2008) Spain and Argentina tried to get words to the effect 'except where a sovereignty dispute exists' inserted. This would have removed the right to self-determination from the populations of Gibraltar and the Falklands.
@38
Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the theory is that the UN has, uniquely, contrived to deny the fundamental human right of self-determination to the Falkland Islanders, but without actually saying so, or holding an explicit vote on it.
It's quite remarkable how Malvinista belief manages to sustain itself, when the UN has clearly and unequivocally voted exactly the opposite.
OK so I'm not neutral.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RE: Jimlad's comment 4: I say A--f**king--men.
'Gibraltar: Spain considers joint diplomatic offensive with Argentina over Falkland Islands -
Aug 11th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain is considering forging an anti-British alliance with Argentina, adopting its strategy over the Falklands Islands, as the diplomatic row over Gibraltar intensifies.
Spanish foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo will use a trip to Buenos Aires next month to raise the possibility of forging a joint diplomatic offensive with the South American country over the disputed territories, sources told Spain's El Pais newspaper.
Spain's foreign ministry was also discussing whether to take its complaints over Gibraltar to the United Nations, the newspaper reported on Sunday.
The sources did not specify whether Spain would ask the UN to back a request for Britain to give up sovereignty or just adhere to certain agreements.
It could take its petition to the Security Council or take up the matter with the UN General Assembly...'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/gibraltar/10235937/Gibraltar-Spain-considers-joint-diplomatic-offensive-with-Argentina-over-Falkland-Islands.html
Here is the thing about malvinistas...
Aug 11th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THEY ARE FULL OF MISDRIECTION AND LIES
example??
my UN link @13:
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/63/110&referer=http
The link Devolverislas @38 claimed I put up:
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/63/110&referer=http
It really is pathetic that these people are so arrogant as to think we are that stupid.
@Devolverislas
Aug 11th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a read of the following article...
...A spokeswoman for the British Foreign Ministry made the remarks after two Spanish newspapers today inform that the Government of Madrid studying Gibraltar bring the conflict to the UN and other international forums.
“Self-determination is more important than territorial integrity. The people of Gibraltar have expressed repeatedly and overwhelmingly their desire to remain under British sovereignty, ”the spokesman said in London...'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1609645-inesperado-espana-ahora-se-acerca-a-la-argentina-por-gibraltar
47screenname
Aug 11th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I administer a FB Community page based in Vancouver.
One “friend” posted on my timeline, from his personal FB site, that he “liked” FB site, “Gibraltar is British”.
Confusingly, he also posted that he was 'monitoring' the site and he stated “Gibraltar is part of Spain”, it “is disturbing that Britain invades Spain with propaganda” by “controlling the Internet” and “controlling Wikipedia”!!!
This is from a Chinese student, studying at UBC in Vancouver. He still calls China 'home'.
He posted other links to “British invasion of Tibet” - I haven't explored that link yet.
Sounds like someone “anti-British” has been very busy...
I see that the Daily Torygraph fell for the old trick with the survey with the question “Is Gibraltar British or Spanish?” (see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/gibraltar/10237469/Britain-seriously-considering-legal-action-against-Spain-over-Gibraltar.html )
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surprising just under half a million DT readers think it is Spanish compared to 57,000 who think it is British. Sounds like Spain has had a bit of help from the trolls at La Campora!
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Aug 14th, 2013 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 051 monxus (#)
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 14th, 2013 - 03:31 am
You are repeating an oft told lie: that the population of the Islands are (a) English, (b) “implanted”, have no right to self determination!!!!!!!
The truth:
(a) The Falklanders are ethnically represented by aproximately 50 different ethnicities.
(b) The waves of immigration to the Islands mirror the waves of immigration to Argentina, the difference being that very few immigrants to the Islands came from Spain or Italy and none from Nazi Germany.
(c) According to Mr. Ban Ki Moon ALL the populations of the 16 NSGTs have the right to self determination.
If our governments waste their time and our money on this absolutely sterile false claim we will never return to our rightfull place in the world!!!!!!!!!
51
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, Monoxious, it all sounds so reasonable when you put it like that. Sure.
Of course, Falklands were never 'usurped' by anyone except in 1982 when Argentina invaded.
The current inhabitents are descendent a of the people you say were usurped 180 years ago. How could that be then?
The islands have NOT been in constant dispute since 1833 and Argentina did not exist then. Even BA, a 1000 miles away, was Spanish.
There is a treaty of 1850 stating there is no dispute between Spain and the UK.
In fact, even your government has changed their claim of usurpation.
All of this was shown publicly to be nonsense, a year ago.
The UN has stated that there are no Resolutions being broken by the Falklands or Britain.The inhabitants are accepted as a people and therefore entitled to self-determination. There never was territorial integrity with Argentina and it would not have precedence over self determination anyway.
I could go on, but this is old news.
Yawn
@ 51 monxus
Aug 14th, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is not a UN resolution that propose self-determination for the islanders. ”
I believe that is correct. There are however several that reiterate the fact that the Islanders are entitled to the right of self-determination. The last one, to my knowledge being last year, UNGA resolution 67/134, which in paragraph 7(c) quite clearly states that the 'populations' of the NSGTs are entitled to the right of self-determination. Of further interest is the fact that there is no mention of any exception to this right, it applies to all NSGT's, not just those that the RG's would like it to apply to. Further Argentina voted 'for' the said resolution (67/134) as it had for similar annual resolutions made for numerous years previously.
Please do you homework before spouting lies here as do CFK and Timberhead at the UN.
As a further point, in 2008 Spain and Argentina tried to get the wording of the annual resolution altered to remove the right of self-determination from territories where there was a sovereignty dispute. This attempted was defeated because it was argued, satisfactorily, that the basic human right to self-determination was to important to have exclusions and restrictions placed on it.
In my opinion it is grossly hypocritical of RGland to vote 'for' these resolutions on the one hand then have senior politicians (CFK and Timberhead) spouting off at the UN that the Islanders do not have the right to self-determination.
@54 Biguggy:
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 67/134 (Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples) clearly states:
“4. Affirms once again its support for the aspirations of the peoples under colonial rule to exercise their right to self-determination, including independence, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RELEVANT RESOLUTIONS OF THE UNITED NATIONS ON DECOLONIZATION;”
The UN charter states that any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes of self-determination. This implies that in order to be implemented, self-determination must at least meet two conditions: 1) must be invoked by a people and, 2) It must not affect the territorial integrity of a State. The latter is not satisfied in the Islas Malvinas case, since the Islands are in uninterrupted dispute since the British invasion to them, that took place in 1833 when UK expelled the argentine governor and the people who lived there and filled the place with english settlers that were transplanted there. The matter is very clear about that.
@55mobnoxious
Aug 15th, 2013 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The UN charter states that any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes of self-determination. This implies that in order to be implemented, self-determination must at least meet two conditions: 1) must be invoked by a people and, 2) It must not affect the territorial integrity of a State. The latter is not satisfied in the Islas Malvinas case, since the Islands are in uninterrupted dispute since the British invasion to them, that took place in 1833 when UK expelled the argentine governor and the people who lived there and filled the place with english settlers that were transplanted there. The matter is very clear about that.”
Didn't we just go through all of this, just in the last 6 hours?
1) The People of the Falklands are “invoking” their right of Self Determination
2) Argentina has never had any “territorial integrity ” with the Fslklands.
Nobody but murderers and rapists were taken away by Pinero.
There has been no dispute over the Fslklands until Argentina created one in the 1930's, a hundred years after the Argentine garrison was arrested by UP authorities and convicted of murder and rape.
Any dispute was definitively ended when the Argentine military invaders surrendered and returned the Islanders freedom, their land and their homes, in 1982.
@ 55 monxus
Aug 15th, 2013 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please note the wording
“IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RELEVANT RESOLUTIONS OF THE UNITED NATIONS ON DECOLONIZATION;”
and recall the words of the Secretary General last year, to the effect that in his opinion the UK was not contravening any Relevant UN resolution!
As for
”The UN charter states that any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes of self-determination.”
I do not have access to my notes at the current time so I am unable to quote you 'Chapter and Verse' but a little research will show, or perhaps one of our other posters' can give the reference, to where this has been agreed/accepted by the UN as not being applicable to events that took place before the implementation of the UN Charter.
@ 56 My thanks for the contribution however I believe 4 settlers also voluntarily returned with Pinero, they were not evicted, in fact they were requested to stay.
@57Biguggy
Aug 15th, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, I stand corrected - best to be accurate, honest, and very clear when countering these propagandists!
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Aug 17th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Monxus
“The latter is not satisfied in the Islas Malvinas case, since the Islands are in uninterrupted dispute since the British invasion to them, that took place in 1833 when UK expelled the argentine governor and the people who lived there and filled the place with english settlers that were transplanted there. The matter is very clear about that.”
You need to do some research, boy, as you seem unaware of' the matter' you are very unclear about.
The British did not expel the civilian settlers in January 1833 of whom the majority were of South American origin, with only two British (1 Scotsman and 1 Irishman-NO ENGLISH until later in 1833 when Helsby came to the islands.)
2/-There were NO English settlers left by the Royal Navy in 1833, only the population that was already there, which immediately after HMS Clio's visit included NO Englishmen. However I am sure Monxus that you are pleased to know that most of Pinedo's sailors were British and non of the English sailors amongst these remained in the islands as they left with Pinedo. In fact I understand there was a British settler who left on the Clio, so the opposite is true to what you stated.
Look it up-these records are in Buenos Aires.
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