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Gibraltar and Campo labour unions urge for good neighbourly relations
Leading Gibraltar and Spain’s Campo unions - Unite the Union, Comissiones Obreras (CCOO), and Union General de Trabajadores (UGT) - have jointly released a statement and manifesto urging good neighbourly relations. The states that any diplomatic scuffle and/or show of strength by one or all of parties involved has immediate and negative consequences for the people who live on either side of the border. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules... The working people of the region leading their President by the nose. They know 'which side their bread is buttered on'!
Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0correct Geoff the only ones that will suffer most is the Spanish people working in Gib. La Linea is a dump and depends on Gib for the majority of its income, if all brits were to stop holidaying in Spain for a year or two they would be knackered
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is Gibraltar British or Spanish?
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0British 9.02% (40,483 votes)
Spanish 90.98% (408,107 votes)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10223065/Gibraltar-dispute-is-a-serious-concern-says-David-Cameron.html
3 Marcos Alejandro
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think we should award you the title “Chief Dickhead of the Malvanistas”.
You must realise that The Telegraph doesn't bother restricting access to it's voting dialogue box to UK computer locations.
That is undoubtedly why the result is as it is.
nice one Marcos proving your idiocy again.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Analysis of the poll data on Thursday showed quite starkly where the Spanish votes had come from. Spain.
99 per cent of the votes cast in Spain were pro-Spain. Of 193,551 votes cast in that county, 191,248 stated that Gibraltar belongs to Spain.
Well surprise surprise trot on nothings changed
@3 Marcos Alejandro:
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like the Malvinistas, it would seem these Spanish expansionists don't understand how local democracy works.
Sometimes I'm surprised you even know how a computer works, or windows for that matter (the glass kind).
@ 3
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0>Is Gibraltar British or Spanish?
Neither, its Gibraltarian silly.
>Who owns the Falklands, “England” or Argentina?
Neither, its the Falkland Islanders - obviously.
Bonus questions:
>Who owns Ceuta and melilla: Spain or Morocco?
>Who owns Argentina: the Spanish & Italian usurpers or the indigenous tribes?
What point in history do you want to restore things to? How about where your conquistador, murdering and usurping ancestors still lived in Spain? Best go and pack your bags then - and don't forget to say sorry before you leave.
Come on Marcos, put away your short pants and GROW UP!
@3 Is it a trait with you Spaniards that as soon as you have big internal problems you pick on little communities to take the heat off at home, I want I want, Gib was ceded to Britain 300 years ago, it still is British and the people of Gibraltar want it to remain that way, why cant you understand that? The Falklands have always been and remain British until they (the islanders) say otherwise. Lets just stop holidaying in Spain and stay at home and watch the Spanish economy collapse, or even better go to Gibraltar and enjoy tax free fags and beer :) Your jealousy is overwhelming, where next Bermuda belongs to Cuba? fookin idiot. Have a look at Spain's overseas territories ie those little islands actually adjoined to MOROCCO, the Canary Islands off the coast of MOROCCO (who actually don't count themselves as Spanish)
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fine words. Very fine words. And who thinks that Rajoy and his cohorts will pay any attention. They are nationalists in the old style. While the United Kingdom can and does listen to its constituent nations, Spain doesn't. It's not interested in what the Basques and Catalans want. Catalonia, for example, has a bigger population than Scotland. And yet the PP government insists on the Spanish “nation”. These nationalists are, essentially, the heirs to Franco and thus become “understandable”. They hanker for the days of the Spanish Empire. But, by the late 16th century, its main opposition was England under Queen Elizabeth I and the actions of Francis Drake. Later, Spain suffered from the actions of the Dutch. Unfortunate as Spain had once ruled the Spanish Netherlands. The last decades of the 17th century saw utter decay and stagnation in Spain, while the rest of Europe progressed. Then there was the War of the Spanish Succession that, amongst other things, saw Britain take Gibraltar. In the early 18th century the European powers decided the fate of Spain. Much Spanish territory was stripped away. As Spain stumbled into the 18th and 19th centuries, more territory was stripped away until, a final ignominy, Spain had to be saved from the French by the British. Gibraltar is a reminder of what Spain once was and what Britain took. And the people of Gibraltar aren't really Spanish. Only 1.19% of the people of Gibraltar are Spanish. And so Gibraltar is a “sore” that Spanish nationalists cannot accept. It's a fact that nationalist Spain can't win. Neither Gibraltar not Britain will give in.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to hear from the Spanish Foreign Ministry that spanish or any other foreign worker going into Gibraltar will not be taxed on the border toll.Only registerd cars leaving or entering will be tolled. The money will go to financing the Spanish fishermen.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0to resolve conflicts between european countries, I see that they go to the EU, a regional organization. Well, this same must be applied in other regions. No more foreigner interventionism.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 what counts as registered?
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose Gibraltar could put a toll on those that don't pay the Spanish toll and give the money to those that did pay the Spanish toll and everyone would be happy again. Except 10,00 Spanish workers of course.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 012 All type of cars! Spanish/ Eyropeans/ gibraltans... basically the same toll that is applied to Londoners when they bring their cars into the city area.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 I was going to say that why don't Gibraltar put a tax on Spaniards entering or leaving Gib, job done.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bit of a profit to be made too, I would of thought.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0*15 You can tax cars but not EU citizens!! Freedom of movement is guaranteed by EU law but not cars..and let´s face it less cars less pollution, let´s get people on Bikes...good for your heart.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 lets ban cars from Spain entering Gib then or charge them a car tax , it's only 2 miles long anyway I have walked it on many occasions usually from bar to bar, but heyo all the money will go to Gib not Spain and if they reciprocate, someone will probably realise this is going nowhere and wake up and be sensible and end this madness by restoring the status quo and we can all move on
Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 slattzzz:
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pointless, Gib taxing cars.
Tax flights from the UK, or even better stop UK nationals from boarding them due to security concerns caused by Spanish nationalist sentiment being stoked at government level.
Then let's see how long it takes for Catalonia to dump toxic Madrid.
@19 good point
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*18 The only problem is that there aren´t any spanish cars driving into Gibraltar, everybody or most walk in and out and leave their cars on the spanish side...
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*19 Your ideas are too extreme dear fellow..if you did that you wouldn¨t have money for fines.....
Catalonia can´t dump Madrid..divorce is not legal in Spain.
@21 really when was the last time you were in GIB?
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and if they are driving now they won´t be when the toll is in place..common sense.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so if no one drives into or out of gib why is the queues to get in or out 6 hours long because of the Spanish stupidity? have you actually been there, I doubt it because if you had you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself. thousands of people cross the border daily in cars and on foot, 90% of them Spanish
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what makes this all so self defeating. So far its the Spanish who are suffering the most. Its not a very nice way for a government to treat its people.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aussie answer my question. 90% of the people who work in GIB are from Spain how is this profiting them, your post stating that they all leave their cars in la linea is shite please prove me wrong, bet you can't, the only people to lose out of a toll will be the Spanish and if Gib do the same it will be Gib who comes out better off
Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#19
Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All flights from the UK attract Air Passenger Duty. To Spain it is £26.00
#26
Leaving your car in La Linea is a nice earner for the locals.
The last time I was there, I got a shock to see the Spaniards had reclaimed “no man's land” and had built multi story flats there.
I parked in a side street to walk into Gib. and was approached by a local selling “parking tickets”. Totally illegal, but I thought, if I don't will I have a brick through the windscreen ? I paid up and walked.!
It reminded me of an enterprising Glasgow kid who used to get money for watching cars in a rather tough area.
When approached, a driver declined the offer saying that his Alsatian in the car would look after it. The lad thought for a minute and then said “can that dug fix a puncture ? Point taken, the driver paid up !”
TWIMC
Aug 10th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Opinion poll on that well respected English Communist Newspaper…: “The Telegraph”
Is Gibraltar British or Spanish?
British 9.46% (43,333 votes)
Spanish 90.54% (414,667 votes)
(Total Votes: 458,000)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10223065/Gibraltar-dispute-is-a-serious-concern-says-David-Cameron.html
Chuckle chuckle©
@28 cheers stink we've already covered that one, wakey wakey
Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Twink, you did read Slatzzz post @5 above didn't you?
Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about it here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10230452/Gibraltar-Telegraph-poll-being-won-by-Spain-after-social-media-campaign.html
Where they've analysed it by the country that the IP address comes from. What a surprise, many many Spaniards voting for Spain. Also what a surprise virtually bugger all Gibraltarians voting for Spain.
@10 That should be good. As drivers stop, get out and walk over the border.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 No, they don't. Because the EU is corrupt. And so the Royal Navy will arrive in the Bay of Gibraltar. And not a single Spanish vessel will dare stir!
@14 Illegal!
@17 Just like argies, Spaniards don't have hearts. Or brains. Mindless automatons.
@19 Ridiculous. Tax every Spaniard £100 to enter UK territory and another £100 to leave.
@28 Telegraph lets any animal vote. Bet you did!
@30
Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More than 90% of the responses to vote originated from Spain, it said so in the Article, either Think did not read that bit, or more , much more likely, he simply ignored that fact.
All this because “one” fisherman is a prevented fishing by this artificial reef.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just remember that, in the present economic climate, Spain needs Gibraltar MORE than Gibraltar needs Spain so really, let them play their games..... The Spanish are only hurting themselves.......
Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clowns
@34 correct
Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*33 It all comes down to CAPITALISM. It has nothing to do with the fishing or nets!! First Spanish drivers cross the border to buy cheap petrol. leaving
Aug 10th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0millions in the coffers of the Gib Government. The Spanish government sees the money they are loosing so they think of a plan to get to that money. This is where the sailing boats come in: There is the chasing around the bay until Picardo falls into the trap: He dumps the concrete blocks which is what the Spanish government has laid the trap for..Now the Spanish government puts a 5o pound toll which will discourage Spanish drivers crossing the border for cheap petrol....Now they will have to buy in Spain..The Spanish government has done nicely for itself,, now they have more money from the drivers that are buying petrol in Spain and money coming from the toll..whereas the Gib government will now loose money from the withdraw of the spanish drivers and now any Gib driver who wants to get out will have to pay a toll..THose concrete blocks have turned to be very expensive for the Gib government...,,,,
Some people have no idea about how economies work.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then again considering how badly run the Spanish economy is, it isn't a surprise that they fall for the simpleton's conspiracy theories.
Gibraltar survived for YEARS with the entire border closed, so this is nothing major. With Spain's negative growth, high unemployment, mass emigration and crippling debt and deficit; it will feel the effects of the 10,000 incomes that transfer wealth from Gibraltar into La Linea. Such a loss will be socially and economically much larger than paltry gains in petrol taxes.
The Spanish government is massively unpopular and looking for a diversion for the masses from massive drops in population from emigration, a stagnating economy that has now shrunk to less than Australia's (and soon will fall behind Mexico's and South Korea's) and corruption scandals that can't be hidden.
Watch what happens as Catalonia's referendum draws closer. The rhetoric will be stepped up again and still it won't change the status quo. Catalonia's independence however would settle the Gibraltar question once and for all.
*47 who says that there will be 10.ooo incomes lost? The Spanish workers will continue working in Gibraltar toll or not???
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Countries economies rise and fall.There is nothing new in that.Today you are top ten and next year 1oo and three years later five. It is called economics. Besides during hard economic times governments value emigration.Esècially currencies coming into spain from workers in those countries. How many pounds have the thousands of spanish workers already sent to their families back in spain? check it out in google.
And the Catalonian referundum will not happen.why? because it is illegal in the Spabish constitution. The Basques tried it a few years back and they cancelled it because if they had continued the law would have clamped down on the first minister of the Basque region with a 10-20 year prisom term..all legally. The first minister in catalonia is having the same thoughts..you can be patriotic all you want but if it against the law..ITS AGAINST THE LAW, I don´t think he was to spend 10-20 years in a Spanish jail.
A toll at the border with Gibraltar is illegal under EU law and would cost Spain dear both in jobs lost as it becomes uneconomic for Spanish workers to cross the border and massive fines for breaking the Treaty of Rome.
Aug 11th, 2013 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0However the UK can stamp this out quite swiftly - just say they will charge a tax on passengers flying to or from Spain if it is ever introduced. 10s of thousands of Spanish jobs would be under threat and Spain would never introduce the toll.
@38 aussie sunshine: “ITS AGAINST THE LAW, I don´t think he was to spend 10-20 years in a Spanish jail.”
Aug 11th, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, if only the Spanish Empire had thought of that for those pesky River Plate separatists!!!
Do you really think Spain would last 5 minutes in the EU if they locked up political leaders???
Another malvinista numpty displays its default 'stupid' setting.
Talk of a toll is nonsense, it was suggested previously by a mayor of La Linea and he was not re-elected. It was illegal under EU laws then and is illegal now BUT should it be introduced NO SPANIARD WILL ENTER GIBRALTAR.
Aug 11th, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gollum Gollum. Think! Cabeza de pija, I told you before, wrong time of day! Idiot!
Aug 11th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0*41 No! NO! The Eu had no say in that!! The mayor of la linea wanted to implent it but The Government which was ruled by the socialists did not
Aug 11th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0allow it to proceed...but you see you can´t stop Spaniards from crossing into Gibraltar!! my! my ! my! it is ilegal. I-L-E.G.A.L. what are they teaching in the schools nowadays!! dear me!! I am going to go blue in the face at this rate.....repeat with me I.L.E.G.A.L....I sound like a school teacher ........
#43
Aug 11th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would they come into Gib. ? Their jobs have all been given to Moroccans !
43 aussie sunshine
Aug 11th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I sound like a school teacher”
YES! An argie one, it's spelt ILLEGAL you twat.
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