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Indigenous peoples in Argentina: “we don’t want to be considered strangers in our own country”

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“We want to live as human beings. We don’t want to be considered as strangers in our own country, poor or useless. We want to live without discrimination. We don’t want blood shed, we just want to reclaim our community,” said to Amnesty International Félix Díaz, leader of the Qom indigenous community of Potae Napocna Navogoh (La Primavera), in Argentina’s northern province of Formosa. Read full article

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  • Gordo1

    The indigenous population of Argentina should seek support from the people of the Falkland Islands who are also being targeted for persecution from Argentina but in more subtle ways.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Any Argie troll care to comment ? Keep it to this point please instead of the usual...what about Chagos etc.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    lets face it argentinas mis-government wants to rid the region of minorities to steal their land, old habits die hard, the funny thing is The Reich cant even govern the territory they have or feed the people in it, so the indigenous have no chance.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    2 Clyde15

    Sorry mate, I think you would be better off looking for hen's teeth or rocking horse s**t rather than getting an honest, striaght-from-the-heart answer that is on topic from any of the trolls on here.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    I remember when a group of 'indians' set up a camp on the lawns of Central Government in Brasilia, re-claiming it for the indiginous people who were supposed to own the spot for their historic people.

    It was an unequal fight, but you had to admire they way they took advice on publicity and thereby caught the attention of Amnesty International.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    I sympathise with these people but they are up against an overwhelming mass of Latino invaders. Unlike the Falkland Islanders they have absolutely no-one to stand by them and fend off aggressors. This is an area where an organisation like the UN should develop an internationally agreed code of practice that can give indiginous people some justice. But, of course it doesn't, it just runs things like the corrupt and irrelavent C24, whose mission seems to have become a vehicle to steal peoples homes and land. Silence from Thunk, Vest Itch and Toby as usual even though they are up and about in their cosy European refuges as usual.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • manchesterlad

    Argentina.....un pais con buena gente!!!

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Ah but according to the La Campora and Malvinista trolls, the indigenous peoples of Argentina came from Chile, or Paraguay or ANYWHERE else OTHER than Argentina, so therefore they have NO RIGHTS because they are 'implanted'.

    I agree that the UN should do more. How about sending in some heavily armed Peace Enforcement units, whose mandate will be to protect the indigenous people from the evil colonialist usurpers.

    Because if they did, these attacks and evictions would stop overnight. Why? Because the people doing this are cowards, and cowards are always very brave when they out number and out gun someone, but not so brave when it comes down to a fair fight.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porto Margaret

    Argentinas regime KFC was in New York on Tuesday and being given nauseating and revolting support from other Latam delegates re supposed good governance of their lands.

    When the reality is that the persecution of native peoples is STILL going on in 2013! They have no shame. No shame at all.

    At least give these native people dignity, because you certainly will not be giving their stolen land back.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    await a post from the trolls ref Diego Garcia it's an odds on response

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Let's face it: to the “presidents” of SA the native peoples are just an embarrassment, yet they embrace the Cowpat as if he were a lost brother.

    Hypocrites or what?

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @2,4,6,8,9,10,11

    I'll give you all an “honest” answer: You Brittos have absolute bark-fark of involvement in internal argentine affairs. And that's that.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nigelpwsmith

    Despicable behaviour by Argentina. They committed genocide in the last two centuries against the indigenous people and to this day they still persecute them.

    Thank God the Falkland Islands people can rely on Great Britain to protect them, or they would be treated just the same.

    Hard to believe that the Argentines call themselves civilised. The brutality exhibited by Argentina should be condemned by the United Nations.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, Is reality interfering in your delusional notion that Rgs are a peaceful, loving, caring and thoughtful people?

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    @ 12

    I'm lovin the way the Malvi's like to castigate and dehumanise the Falklands as “English”, “Usurpers” & “Pirates” etc.

    Its makes it such a joy to ram it back down their throats exactly who they are, where they came from AND what they did - usurp.

    Some are just so thick it comes as a big shock when the penny drops - the 'brighter' ones that is.

    Statue of Christopher Columbus removed from BsAs last month. You never know, give it time, all those poxy Malvinas signs and monuments etc might get the same treatment. Why not give the future generations a chance to rid the nation of this millstone and move on?

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Buzzsaw

    So TTT you can't justify your own country's treatment of an indigenous people and instead you tell people to mind their own business as it doesn't concern them!

    Not even a shread of compassion from you for your own, just 'mind your own f....ing business'

    Nice.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porto Margaret

    #12

    'I'll give you all an “honest” answer: ...”

    Scratch below the surface of an Argentinian and a Conquistador will jump out. Truly nasty.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    @ 12 In case you missed the link on the other thread I've re-post below:

    Its really, really just sums you people up, constantly in denial:

    www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/michael-buerk/argentinas-breathtaking-hypocrisy-_b_1642466.html

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #17 They fail to remember that unless they are 100% indigenous or immigrants, they are indeed implanted people (just like here in the USA) descended from the conquistadors or some explorers from Europe.

    tobi, if you are truly concerned about the indigenous people, he is a site for you.

    http://www.iwgia.org/index.php

    If mom let's you unlatch her nipples, maybe you can do some volunteer work. Oops....I forgot, Argentine's do not volunteer or contribute to humanity issues and disasters world wide for anything, they have no money. Argentina is usually on the receiving end of aide, not the giving end.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gollum

    #12 Gollum Gollum, get off this site you brainless tontopollo! You not official troll just total embarrasment to official Argentina. You always putting see through total crap on here, make us look like colonialist, corrupt idiot

    I wants it! Sssss

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porto Margaret

    #20

    “tontopollo” as in ....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv8z9pep5qo

    Classic!

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    What are Brittos? And what does “bark farm” mean?

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    Well spoken from the heart!! Freedom to all indigenous peoples of the World!!

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “The UN Special Rapporteur on Indigenous Peoples has criticized the lack of consultation with the communities that may be affected by development projects and exploitation of natural resources.”

    The Botox Queen last week mentioned that everyone should pay regard to the UN, (but forget to mention 'except for Argentina who vill have ze 1000 year reich').

    The Qom have also had to complain to an Argentine pope-no wonder the Falkland Island smokescreen was deployed at the UN-again.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    8#
    “Because if they did, these attacks and evictions would stop overnight. Why? Because the people doing this are cowards, and cowards are always very brave when they out number and out gun someone, but not so brave when it comes down to a fair fight.”
    This is an opinion of yours,isn't it?On what knowledge do you base this opinion of yours?

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @25 google it it's common knowledge

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    25 Yuleno

    Because the arseholes causing the grief are cowardly argie arseholes. OK?

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @27 ChrisR

    You took the words out of my mouth.

    Yuleno seems to forget that the British have had dealings with cowardly Argentines in the past.

    Very brave when it comes to threatening a population of unarmed civilians when you outnumber them 10-1, but not so brave when armed defenders turn up.

    So, Yuleno, I stand by what I said. Peace Enforcement. Well armed UN soldiers who can defend the indigenous people of Argentina from Argentinians.

    It's a pity, because that is what your government is meant to do.

    But I forgot, you're Yuleno, you have never lifted a finger to help a fellow human being in your life, so you wouldn't care about the natives, or your neighbours or even your family. But when they come for you, then you'll care.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_V0ice

    #25 because the people initiating these attacks do not have the resources to further and continue an attack against those who can sustain an attack or a defensive action. Those initiating these attacks prefer to attack the weak and defenseless. Like your government of the 70's in the good ol' days gone by.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    '@29 yawn is that the best you can do?

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    @12 too true, and the same applies to Argentina and their troll bitches regarding any Falkland's internal affairs.....“Is Not of your concern” whilst we are being “honest”,
    still we live in a free country......well some of us do, and freedom of speech is a beautiful human right, it brings down corrupt oppressive self-serving governments don't you know, oops their I go again talking about Argentina's internal affairs.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Britain is one of the most monitored, controlled citizenry there is on this planet. Make no mistake about it you are a drone Pirate Love.

    As for the other answers, my original answer stands. None of your business what happens in Argentina. Why don't you all care to comment in this thread or are you all too chicken to face the music?

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/10/oas-calls-for-respect-and-self-determination-for-indigenous-peoples

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    A HISTORICAL FAIR CAUSE.
    Since the begining of our country as a nation, indigenous people have always been terribly discriminated and persecuted. Like in 1880, when a son of a bitch like julio roca, who has always been somebody extremelly admired by our mendacious and reactionary official history, masacrated many of them, and stole their lands, when the argentine state decided to occupy patagonia.
    However persecution against originary populations hasn't stopped yet, because some of them are still victim of powerful masters who pretend to expeal them from their lands in order to plant soya.
    Anyway, despite the genocide suffered by them, and beyond the fact that there is still a lot to do for some populations, our constitution doesn't exclude the rights and the claims of our originary brothers. Which is contrary to what the u. k. has done with arg., due to it has always excluded our country of exercising it's rights over the malvinas-falkland islands.
    There are many ignorants who compare our claim for the islands, with the genocide committed against our originary brothers, however none of them know that despite all what our originary populations has always suffered, our legislation doesn't exclude them, but now we have to fight in order to defend their rights, and make absoluty everybody, including the state and those powerful masters respect our constitution.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Your country has no rights over the Falklands, and never has.

    Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #33
    due to it has always excluded our country of exercising it's rights over the malvinas-falkland islands.

    You have no rights...end of story

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @32 Tobias

    Here we are with a deflection onto a completely different subject, with a 'what happens in Argentina is none of your business' follow up.

    Well abuses against human rights are everyone's business, especially if they are happening in your country.

    What are YOU doing about this, Tobias, to prevent the murder and human rights abuses against the INDIGENOUS people?

    Because if the government and citizens of Argentina won't do anything, then it'll be up to the international community to do something, won't it?

    @33 Axelarg

    Firstly, yes protecting the native populations is written into the Argentine constitution, but the actions of the Argentine authorities make those words MEANINGLESS.

    As for the Falklands (I'm not sure why you brought this up), if Argentina has a case for sovereignty then I guess you should take it to the ONLY body in the world that can remove sovereignty from the British...namely the International Court of Justice.

    In fact the UK has tried to settle this sovereignty nonsense at the ICJ on 3 separate occasions, but Argentina refuses to go.

    Now why would Argentina refuse to go to the ICJ if your case is so solid?

    As for comparing the genocide of your 'originally brothers' (very unusual thing to do to your brothers isn't it - commit genocide - so maybe they AREN'T your brothers, and you certainly don't ACT like brothers), we all remember the plans Argentina had for the people of the Falkland Islands - ethnic cleansing and murder.

    So when your Foreign Minister is claiming that the people of the Falklands aren't 'people' and don't have human rights, you can see how it can be linked to the Indigenous people who, according to people like you, aren't 'people' and don't have human rights.

    There is a saying: “Actions speak louder than words.”

    Argentina uses a lot of words, but their actions show the truth, and that truth is that the Argentine government is a best apathetic towards the indigenous people and at worst complicit in their murder.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    28#

    But I forgot, you're Yuleno, you have never lifted a finger to help a fellow human being in your life, so you wouldn't care about the natives, or your neighbours or even your family. But when they come for you, then you'll care.

    Another opinion from you.Can you start with good information?
    Have you decided to give donations to the Mapuche or are you still giving enough to your nominated charities,as you previously posted? Hehe

    Thanks to capitalism in Argentina the land that some people occupy can be used more profitably,but those displaced are housed( one bedroom per person max ) and given social benefits as other unoccupied people get.Have you a different way of handling things in the UK? Erm ah er em.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @37 Yuleno

    At least I do my bit for charity.

    You have never donated 1 peso towards anyone else. Your words if I remember.

    What right to you have to take the ancestral lands away from the Indigenous population? There has been no consultation, no respect shown for the people or the Constitution of Argentina, and it has all been about money.

    As for social benefits. These people want to work their OWN land, not receive a pittance of a handout from the government. And if they protest, then they are bullied, harassed and murdered.

    In the UK we have compulsory purchase orders. The people involved are given plenty of notice, and a chance to challenge the order.

    If the order is not considered within the public good, then the land cannot be bought, if the order is considered within the public good, then the land is purchased usually at ABOVE current market value.

    No strong arm tactics. No harassment. No bullying, and DEFINITELY no MURDER involved.

    Argentina's complete apathy towards the native people is appalling. You should be ashamed. You should be protesting what has been done, but instead Yuleno, you stand by and applaud, and by doing so are complicit in these human rights abuses.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @12 ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ In different words, that can be found in ancient Babylon, ancient China, ancient Greece, ancient Egypt, ancient Rome, the Sanskrit tradition, the Tamil tradition, the Bahi'a faith, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Humanism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Mohism, Platonism, Scientology, Sikhism, Taoism and Wicca. It's even the basis of “human rights”. It's called the Golden Rule. But not in argieland. Because argieland is immoral, unethical and criminal. And that's everyone's business! You think we have no say? Then watch us cripple you until you learn to behave.
    @23 Piss off!
    @25 No, dumdum, it's a FACT! Why don't you try looking up the actions of your Federal Police. The indigenous child beaten to death. You sicken me.
    @32 Yes it is. And we will, eventually, make YOU pay. You also make me want to puke.
    @33 SHUT UP!!! YOU DELUDED ARSEHOLE!!!
    @37 I favour exterminating Spaniards, Italians, Germans and anyone else who shouldn't be in south-east South America. Unless you're an Amerindian, you shouldn't be there. You are an “implanted population”. And you know what has to be done with “weeds”!

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Argentina this, argentina, that, ashamed, appalling, blah, blah, blah.... yawn.... z z z zzzz.

    When every single other country in the two continents has done the same, specially the ones that speak English, given how white and blond their populations are.

    When everyone else stops doing it, so will we. Maybe.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @40 Tobias

    Your desperation is now showing through. You know that your 'perfect' Argentina is in the wrong here, and you can offer no defence.

    'It's okay because other people have done it' isn't considered a defence, any more than 'I was just obeying orders' isn't a defence.

    Those other countries have at least acknowledged (for the most part) that there have been, and still are abuses going on. In those English speaking countries there have been real steps towards conciliation and compensation.

    In Argentina you believe that if you bury your head in the sand, and continue to allow the exploitation and murder of the indigenous population then it isn't 'really' your fault.

    It's about time you grew up.

    It's also about time you did something to stop the continuing abuse of the indigenous population of Argentina too. Protest. Write to the government. Show some ACTUAL support.

    But on the other hand, you don't care about the indigenous population, do you Tobias, I mean it's not as if they're white is it?

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Tobi, regardless of what other countries do and do not do, the biggest thing that most of them manage to do is to have international relations despite differences. That is something that Argentina cannot manage to do.
    Argentina cannot manage diplomatic relations
    Argentina cannot manage business relations
    Argentina cannot manage humanitarian relations

    Argentina is a pariah.....it's as simple as that!

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    I find it very strange that those Argentines who in diverse posts have either claimed or hinted to be fully or part indigenous Argentinians are soooooo quiet about the subject.

    Big Nostrils' ramblings are the usual - always to be ignored.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @40 The Truth PaTroll: “When every single other country in the two continents has done the same,”

    The key word here is DONE...not doing. That Is why Argentina is such a joke when it goes around the world bleating.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I can't say all the USA tribes are getting revenge, but a hell of a lot of tribes are taking their revenge on American's vise.........gambling. So many have casinos. We are getting three in Massachusetts....tribal casinos.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @44

    Well, Argentina does not care what anyone thinks.

    Aug 11th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @46 The Truth PaTroll: “Argentina does not care what anyone thinks.”

    Taking CFK as your figurehead and leader, I disagree.

    She makes Argentina look like a kicking and screaming brat, demanding recognition. Loud and vulgar… too self obsessed to see what a morally bankrupt mess she is.

    By comparison the UK looks positively laidback in its attitude. Too laidback for my liking.

    Aug 12th, 2013 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @33
    . “Which is contrary to what the u. k. has done with arg.,”

    How many of the murderers, and rapists of the UPs militia in 1833 that the British REQUESTED BY LETTER to leave were actually killed by Onslow's men?

    Even though Rivero was a murderer, did the British authorities kill him?
    How many people indigenous to the Falklands, did Britain ask to go in 1833?

    Were all the children born on the Falkland Islands prior to 1833 evicted?

    Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/11/mapuche-conflict-in-chile-flares-up-following-the-killing-of-local-indigenous-activist#comment267868

    Crickets

    Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #49
    Crickets ? What has a small chirping insect of the GRYLLIDAE family got to do with this thread. Have I missed something ?

    Aug 12th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    tobi is desperately trying to change the topic in this thread.

    Aug 12th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    @19 Cap'n Poppy I noticed that too. There is some kind of blind spot to doing volunteer work, beach clean-up days, amnesty int'l letter writing, SMS donations, anything. I do notice the exact same thing about mah humbly-incomed friends here too, though.

    I grew up super humbly-incomed but had some social.conscience that is alien to my fam.

    Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    People with money tend to like to give money Ayayay, but time is always more valuable than money.

    Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    LEPRECOM: Respecting our originary brothers, you just have the tipicall too partial view characteristic of many people who are missinformed.
    I have never omited the serious problems that some of our indigenous populations have, however i can't omit either that most them live peacefuly with no problems, and have full rights as any other population in country.
    In relationto the malvinas-falkland cause, the non-application of the right to self determination is not an argentina's caprice, it's the u. n. the institution which has never applied that principle for the population from the islands, as it did for other colonial situations, beside, this cause has always been considered like a special case by the u. n.
    On the other hand, i have always agreeded on the idea of taking the case to the i. c. j., in fact i have discussed in many opportunities about the proposals of arbitration made by argentina in 1884 and in 1888, which were rejected by the u. k., beside, in 1947 that country manifested argentina that it would be disposed to discuss about the the cases of the dependencies from the islands, south georgia and sandwich before the i. c . j., but the malvinas-falklands hadn't been included in the proposal. After that year, none of the two nations proposed again to give that step, in my opinion, i think that we all should wonder why neather argentina nor the u. k. decide to take that decision, perhaps, both aren't sure of getting a positive result for their countries, that's why they insist on fine diplomacy.
    PETE BOG: The fact that during the british usurpation of 1833 there wasn't any killed citizen, does it invalid argentina's claim?. I have discussed with you about it in many opportunities, and i have told you why i think that this case has strong and weak aspects for both nations.

    Aug 16th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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