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OAS calls for respect and self determination for Indigenous Peoples
Organization of American States (OAS) Secretary General José Miguel Insulza commemorated on Friday the International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples with a call for the protection of the all native peoples of the Americas and urged the full implementation of treaties and other agreements that states have adopted internationally and especially in the Inter-American context. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHe fell short on demanding Argentina give back Patagonia to the indigenous population, but did say“ to support their human and community rights” LOL
Aug 10th, 2013 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't mention FALKLANDERS right to self determination, TROLLS fill your boots
Toodle Pip
Just as well The Falklands have already stated their “SELF-DETERMINATION”
Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a complete waste of space when put against the “presidents” of the SA countries.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0They will do WTF they like about ANY rights that might reduce their “income”.
I'm not sure what degree of self determination indigenous peoples within South American states may be able to aquire, but the UN's library of International Law has this document regarding the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples:
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0”...the Declaration was generally understood as being directed to “salt-water” Colonialism – occupation of the lands and territories of indigenous, native or aboriginal peoples, in Africa, Asia and the Caribbean, who were physically separated by the oceans from their colonial Powers. There is nothing in the language or the spirit of resolution 1514 (XV) inhibiting its legal extension to situations involving relations between European colonial Powers and other European or European-derived peoples overseas.”
http://untreaty.un.org/cod/avl/ha/dicc/dicc.html
How about we talk a bit about the state of affairs of Native Americans in North America, were the British stolen every single inch of their land and exterminated them to the last man?
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone see any natives in New York? Boston? Toronto? Chicago? Detroit? Phiiladelphia? Atlanta? Dallas? Houston? Minnessota?
We are talking about cities with millions of people each... not one native Cherkokee, Sioux, Iriquois, etc, etc, etc, etc...
How about the Canadians doing something like affording the native tribes such luxuries as hmm, running water?????
How about the USA gov doing something to reduce the massive poverty and substance abuse in the concentration camps, I mean, reservations? (of course, it's all the indians fault or so says Yankeeboy).
I find it repulsive people like him care more about the Qom than about the Navajo.
Oh and yes, this thread is about the AMERICAS, so please you British and British-descended criminals and mass murderers, do not deflect my questions since they are totally valid here.
The UK's legacy in the Americas: deracination and extermination.
@5 The Truth PaTroll: “Anyone see any natives in New York? Boston? Toronto? Chicago? Detroit? Phiiladelphia? Atlanta? Dallas? Houston? Minnessota?”
Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why on earth would they want to live in cities? I'll tell you what, let's force people to move to urban areas just to make the PC police feel better about themselves.
White folk want to be natives in America, that is how admired they are...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnC5T1C5Pkk
@5 The Truth PaTroll: “exterminated them to the last man?”
Who is this standing guard over the Queen then (at 0:19)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnC5T1C5Pkk
@5 The Truth PaTroll: “do not deflect my questions since they are totally valid here.”
Really? Are they really valid? REALLY?
Come on nosto I think it's time for your meds.
@5
Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Always puzzled me why so few black/African faces in BsAs when I've visited - compared to Brazil etc? After all Argentina was a big slaving nation long after it was illegal in the British Empire.
Says it all below though if you want to know more about Argentine racist hypocrisy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/michael-buerk/argentinas-breathtaking-hypocrisy-_b_1642466.html
TTT: Such a pity you have to troll this site to get a regular spanking and to hear the truth about your own country's history.
@5
Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“How about we talk a bit about the state of affairs of Native Americans in North America, were the British stolen every single inch of their land and exterminated them to the last man? ”
How about you do some research?
Because what you have just written is absolute invention.
IF, you were capable of research, you would discover that one of the reasons the USA wanted independence from Great Britain is that the British agreed with the Indians to let them keep large areas of land in what is now the USA, and the settlers did not agree.
So they fought the Brits-it wasn't only over taxes.
Also in the 1812 war with USA against Great Britain in Canada, many Indians fought on the British side.
Care to explain how and why if we wiped them out?
However you cannot camouflage the greater genocide perpetrated against South American Indians by Spain and then Argentina.
At least Britain tried to protect the native Indians in Terra del Fuego by creating a mission on Keppel Island and Ushuaia-whereas for Argentina it was (as it always is) Exterminate the Indians.
TTT is rolling out the old divide and conquer play: how long before he rolls out Australia? Well I'm not going to bitch about North America...THEY HAVE SAID SORRY.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the thing with history, you can put it behind you and get on with the future.
Argentina seems to be stuck in the first half of the 18th century.
Truth telling troll
Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would we talk about native Americans in north America, or indigenous peoples in Australia or New Zealand?
As of 1945 we, the North Americans, Australians, New Zealnders have lived by self-determination...what you were historically doesn't matter, countries are owned and run by the people who live there.
It is only Argentina and the various fascist states of Mercosur who wish to deny that fundamental right when it suits them, yet own their own countries because of it...it is that sickening hypocrisy together with the attack in 1982 that explains the contempt Argentina is held in.
“As of 1945 we, the North Americans, Australians, New Zealnders have lived by self-determination”
Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Based on what? Are you daft? What was done differently in 1945 in the ex-Fish and Chip block that was not done in South America? Mercosur countries are hypocrites for the land they sit on but you anglo ex-colonies aren't?
Sorry but every non-anglo on this planet laughs at your ridiculous and blind nonsense.
I smell a big pile of racist-tinted answers coming.
Toby, if you were in Argentina, or knew anything of it, your answers would have some validity. Your statements make no sense, you are just a joke.....entertainment. Go sit on your potty. You don't even know the geography of Mendoza! You need treatment..
Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Question answered unsuccessfully.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Aug 10th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about we talk a bit about the state of affairs of Native Americans in North America, were the British stolen every single inch of their land and exterminated them to the last man?
OK talk-about your inaccurate statement.
@12 The Truth PaTroll: “Question answered unsuccessfully.”
Aug 10th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you didn't seem to understand post 10 by Monkeymagic regarding the UN, it is really is pointless...but I'll give it a go.
A line was drawn regarding borders, which Argentina not only goes against but has managed to suck in other nations in the area.
Argentina is an enemy of freedom. Argentina (for all its impotence) is an enemy of world peace. Argentina is an enemy of the UN charter.
@11 The Truth PaTroll: “Based on what?”
Based on words and actions at the UN by both Timmerman and CFK in the last 3 months.
@14
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you play such semantics, then the Spanish didn't also do any genocide in South America. OK, sure.
@15
Of course Argentina will try to continue to expand, whether it be southern Chile, western Paraguay, Uruguay, maybe even Brazil in the future. Just because you Europeans don't do it anymore, or so you say, are we supposed to stop doing it. You did it for 800 years, so we have 600 years left.
@16 The Truth PaTroll: “Of course Argentina will try to continue to expand, whether it be southern Chile, western Paraguay, Uruguay, maybe even Brazil in the future. Just because you Europeans don't do it anymore, or so you say, are we supposed to stop doing it. You did it for 800 years, so we have 600 years left.”
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I assume that is a (very dry) joke.
#5
Aug 11th, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your history is not too well researched. Britain had control of the east coast colonies of America.. The boundary of the thirteen colonies was the Appalachian mountains to the west. The British discouraged settlement to the west as it was French territory.
After 1776, it was the USA who controlled their own affairs and any “extirpation” of the native Americans. To the south, including Mexico and also to the Pacific shores , the Spanish were doing this to the native population in these areas.
So, young man, it was not your hated British performing land grabs or mass murder.
However, I realise that this does not fit in with your “ideas”-NOT FACTS
Again, why should you let the truth get in the way of your pet rants.
Anyone see any natives in New York? Boston? Toronto? Chicago? Detroit? Phiiladelphia? Atlanta? Dallas? Houston? Minnessota?
You know this as a fact ?
Have you been to any of these cities for a look ?
Have you been anywhere outside of Argentina ?
Yes I know that is a fact just as much all of you “claim” every single solitary native indian in Argentina was exterminated.
Aug 11th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will continue playing the same game you guys play until you cease to play it. If you guys don't like the game you yourselves created, then get out of here.
Or start speaking truthfully for a change.
The Truth Patroll must otherwise continue to bleach the lies.
Wrong! The OAS requires respect for the inalienable right of the barbarians can do whatever they want with their land and protect the land of others for a future division.
Aug 11th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'19
Aug 11th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are making up porky pies again. I for one have never claimed such a thing. Yes, your country had a policy of extermination at one time, but it would be rather fanciful to think that every last indigenous Amerindian in what is now Argentina was eradicated.
How could the spokesman for the Qom plead his case ?
@11
Aug 11th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask what was done differently in North America/Europe/Australasia versus South America.
It's simple, the UN charter says that all people have the right to self-determination. Argentina and its ANUSORE pals continually and repeatedly deny that right to the Falkland Islanders. They use words like “implanted”, or “colony” or worse.
They are no different to the rest of the non-indigenous Americans, who own and run their countries BECAUSE of self-determination.
So, what is different are those behaviours shown by your government.
I find your claim that Argentines have only been colonialists for 200 years preposterous. You ARE European colonialists, actually far more so than the Europeans in that you are still in your plundered lands...lands you started plundering 500 years ago. however your Spanish and Italian forefathers have been at it for millennia.
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