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EU confirms no block-to-individual Mercosur member trade negotiation has been requested
The 28-country European Union underscored the potential benefits of a free trade agreement with Mercosur and revealed that so far no country member of the group has requested to a bilateral negotiation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBritain should make it as awkward as possible for the EU to reach a deal whilst the KFC regime is still there. String it out and help Brazil and other serious economic partners come to the conclusion that both Argentina and Venezuela are just not worth the trouble they manage to cause their 'brothers' in Mercosur.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colombia and Peru in the Pacific Alliance showed the way and now parts of Mercosur want to follow suit.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shows the vitality of the Pacific Alliance system over the morbid way of the Mercosur.
What use is Mercosur if individual members put up trade barriers with other members and sign individual trade deals with other trading blocks?
Mercosur is becoming nothing but a talking shop.... another Latin American talking shops - and don't we already have dozens of those littering the continent.
Just block latam negotiations from the illegitimate mercosur and its members. No negotiations with argieland, brazil, uruguay, venezuela. But we can negotiate with Paraguay once it has abandoned mercosur. And, even it means resorting to military force, illegitimate mercosur will not be allowed to interfere. And let's kill off unasur while we're at it. It's just as bad!
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Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erhhm... That was the Andean community, not the PA...
But why care for details...
4 Stevie
Aug 13th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erhhm.... Did you read the article?
Individual agreements were signed by Colombia and a Peru and not the Andean Community. Colombia and Peru negotiated SEPERATE agreements after Ecuador and Bolivia pulled out.
Sort of what is now happening in Mercosur.
This from the EU website:
“Negotiations between the EU and the Andean Community for a region-to-region Association Agreement were suspended in June 2008. In Jauary 2009, the trade negotiations between the EU and three Andean countries – Colombia, Perú and Ecuador - restarted, aiming at a Multiparty Trade Agreement. After nine rounds of negotiations a successful conclusion was reached with Columbia and Peru in February 2010. The trade agreement is expected to enter into force during the mid 2012.
Although Ecuador and Bolivia decided to suspend their participation in the negotiations, the agreement preserves its region-to-region approach allowing other Andean Community countries to negotiate their accession to the agreement. Discussions are ongoing with the Ecuadorian authorities to look into ways of resuming negotiations. Contacts are also maintained with Bolivia.”
The PA system is that individual countries sign individual trade agreements if they so wish as long as there are agreements between each individual members. It's flexible approach is in stark contrast to the straight jacket that Mercosur imposes.
@4 Oh dear. Still living in wankerland, are you?
Aug 13th, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil and Uruguay were original members of Mercosur and decided on the “unite to win” option.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now they want to “well we got that wrong, so we want to go as a duo”.
What next, Brazil is too big for us and we want special options for little Uruguay?
WTF is it with these presidents, can't they think ONE step ahead for a change?
They all wanted Paraguay out and the Mad One in. Now he is dead they have the bus driver to cope with. Well, tough luck, deal with it.
I bet Vasquez will.
Anglolatino
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you read the news when it actually happened?
The deal was done between the EU and the Andean community, NOT the Alianza. Then they couldn't agree with the Whole bloc, so they made separate agreements between those nations you mention.
The PA had little and nothing to do with the entire process.
Stevie
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are being deliberately obstinance because you can't handle the truth. These are the facts you keep deliberately ignoring or attemtping to fudge:
* PA allows individual members to make trade deals - Mercosur does not
* The EU will strike individual deals with member within a trade group if it can't with the whole trade group - which is why the EU has individual agreements with Colombia and Peru and none with Ecuador and Bolivia
* these EU deals predate the formation if the PA but the process was one of the drivers of the flexibility approach to trade guy is now a foundation of the PA
Just because you erroneously believe anything the news tells you does not make it true. Isn't that one of your rants on here? How misleading some articles are!
There is no trade agreement between the EU and CAN. There is a multiparty agreement that other CAN members can sign up to but there isn't an agreement that is binding on all CAN members.
Which is my point!
TRADE AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE EUROPEAN UNION AND ITS MEMBER STATES, OF THE ONE PART, AND COLOMBIA AND PERU, OF THE OTHER PART is the name of the agreement.
CAN will wither away once Bolivia joins Mercosur. The EU dealing with its individual members was just a nail in its coffin. Half of CAN chose free trade and half didn't. Starting to sound like a fault line that is appearing within Mercosur
You support regional integration do you should be happy that PA is becoming so successful that its ideas are spreading.
Anglolatino
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me see, let me scroll up for a sec... yes, now let me paraphrase you
“Colombia and Peru in the Pacific Alliance showed the way and now parts of Mercosur want to follow suit.
Shows the vitality of the Pacific Alliance system over the morbid way of the Mercosur.”
It shows nothing of the sort, as the deal was a left-over from an initial deal with the Andean Community, which is indeed, my point.
Stevie
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You keep twisting in the wind trying in vain to hope that your version will trump reality. Alas you have chosen the losing side now; live with it.
I'll break it down into simple language:
Colombia - member of PA and CAN with EU FTA
Peru - member of PA and CAN with EU FTA
Bolivia - member of CAN
Ecuador - member of CAN
EU website says “Negotiations between the EU and the Andean Community for a region-to-region Association Agreement were suspended in June 2008”
Trade agreement signed by the EU is with Colombia and Peru ONLY. It is not signed with CAN. It is entitled: TRADE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE EUROPEAN UNION AND ITS MEMBER STATES, OF THE ONE PART, AND COLOMBIA AND PERU, OF THE OTHER PART.
It is not between the EU and CAN. The was no “initial deal with the Andean Community” - just “negotiations” that were ”suspended in “June 2008”. Learn the difference between deal and negotiations.
So as Colombia and Peru are NOW part of the PA. They are also PART of a trade group. That trade group COULD NOT negotiate a FTA with the EU, so only SOME members of that trade group THEN negotiated separate agreements.
So I'll break it down and hold your hand through the analogy:
So Brazil and Uruguay are PART of a trade group. This trade group still CANNOT negotiate a FTA with the EU, so now SOME members of that trade group WOULD LIKE to negotiate separate agreements.
Ergo….
Colombia and Peru which are NOW in the Pacific Alliance RECENTLY showed the way of negotiating separate trade agreements while in a larger trade group and NOW parts of Mercosur want to follow suit.
Twist it all you want, the simple fact is that Brazil and Uruguay want to do what Colombia and Peru already did.
Colombia AND Peru:
ALREADY BUILT their FTA on top of the initial negotiations.
Brazil and Uruguay:
WANT TO BUILD their FTA on top of the initial negotiations.
Anglolatino
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me break it up for you as we do here.
Colombia/Peru trade agreements with the EU has nothing to do with the PA, At all. It's the fruit of a previous agreement with the Andean Community.
That's it, no need to present us your bachelor project...
Stevie
Aug 13th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please provide a link to this mythical “previous agreement with the Andean Community”.
Negotiations are NOT an agreement. C'mon you can do it.
I will again repost the quote from the EU's own site:
“Negotiations between the EU and the Andean Community for a region-to-region Association Agreement were suspended in June 2008”
Negotiations were SUSPENDED in 2008 mate.
5 years and 2 months ago.
Build a bridge and get over the disappointment.
“In Jauary 2009, the trade negotiations between the EU and three Andean countries – Colombia, Perú and Ecuador - restarted”
Four and a half years ago NEGOTIATIONS restarted. But without Bolivia but with individual countries.
“After nine rounds of negotiations a successful conclusion was reached with Colombia and Peru in February 2010.”
So NEGOTIATIONS resulted in an AGREEMENT 3 1/2 years ago. But not with CAN but with two individual countries.
“the EU has nothing to do with the PA”
The EU helped create the PA. You can't accept the cause and effect, but simply put, Colombia and Peru realised that their future lay in a different trade outlook than that provided by CAN.
ALL PA members have FTAs with the EU.
No Mercosur members do.
There was never ever ever an agreement with the Andean Community.
None!
Nada!
And now Brazil and Uruguay are wanting to follow Colombia and Peru's lead.
Sorry Stevie but you just can't change history. The facts are there for all to see.
EU FTA with Andean Community = 0
EU FTA with Mercosur = 0
EU FTAs with PA members = 4 = 100%
EU FTAs with Mercosur members = 0 = 0%
The first point won't ever change as CAN is almost defunct.
The second point is unlikely to change.
The third point could possibly change if Costa Rica or Paraguay joins PA but won't if Panama does.
The fourth point is the whole point of this article.
Time will tell Stevie, it is always on my side haven't you realised that yet.
You deal with hope and I deal with facts.
Bla bla CAN bla... negotiations bla bla... 3 nations bla bla... bla restarted bla bla...
Aug 14th, 2013 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Therefor, Pacific Alliance.
No, Anglolatino, it just doesn't work like that...
Nice comeback Stevie!
Aug 14th, 2013 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Choke much on eating your words?
Still can't find an actual agreement can you!
You are ruled by emotional and try to twist facts to match.
I just deal with the facts.
(Oh and it's blah blah blah)
Anglolatino
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand it's hard at times...
Let me see if I can help you out here.
I'll try symbols...
EU -> CAN
CAN -> EU
...
EU -> (CAN - Bolivia - Ecuador)
=
Colombia, Peru -> EU
See?
No Pacific Alliance...
Still can't find an actual agreement can you?
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try at deflection but you're an amateur on this site where most are masters at it.
No Anglolatino, you wish for the trade agreements between Colombia, Peru and the EU to be a result of the PA.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's just not the case, no matter how much you twist and point somewhere else...
Mercopress master.... Hahahaha!!
Stevie
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you wish for the trade agreements between Colombia, Peru and the EU to be a result of the PA”
I never said that!
The Pacific Alliance is only a year old and doesn't sign FTAs.
You really need to be less emotional and brush up on your comprehension skills. Deep breaths and reread my posts.
“Colombia and Peru in the Pacific Alliance showed the way and now parts of Mercosur want to follow suit.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shows the vitality of the Pacific Alliance system over the morbid way of the Mercosur.”
Again.
No, it doesn't.
If anything, it shows the inability to agree within the Andean Community...
Perfect! Thank you Stevie for coming full circle. I knew you would get there eventually if I just kept letting out enough rope!
Aug 14th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If anything, it shows the inability to agree within the Andean Community...”
And the article shows if anything, the inability to agree within Mercosur.
I wonder what the consequences of that inability will be?
Hahaha Anglolatino
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That one was at least better than the “I have to go camping” one...
Hahahaha
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