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Malvinas/Gibraltar in Garcia Margallo’s agenda when he visits Argentina and meets Timerman
Spain’s Foreign affairs ministry Director General Ignacio Ibañez confirmed that Spain’s Foreign Minister José Manuel García-Margallo, would raise Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands with his Argentine counterpart, Hector Timerman, during a visit to Buenos Aires in early September. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOh to be a fly on the wall when the agenda turns to which bogus claim will take center stage first.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope we do make life difficult for them. Sometimes whining, destitute, klepomaniac nations like Spain and Argentina need to be put in their place.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a huge error of judgement is Spain's part and it won't be forgiven quickly.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 loser plus 1 loser = 2 losers :-)
Aug 15th, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toooooooo funny.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ it is difficult to trust the UK”
Aug 15th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a joke. Spain and Argentina lying through their teeth.
However, in the words of the song ”Send in the clowns ”
Does anyone think that this has anything to do with Spain trying to palm off some clapped out old Mirage fighters to the Argentine Air Force?
Aug 15th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once the deal was done, the “solidarity” would then dissipate - it would be a great payback for the YPF-Repsol misappropriation.
This should be funny!
Aug 15th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain just digging a deeper hole with the assistance of Argentine!
@2 - I agree. Time to start veto'ing Spanish loans to keep their failed economy alive and maybe some smart measures to stop British tourism from making it to Spain which would cause them massive problems. Personally I think supporting Spain is a giant mistake anyway, we are just prolonging the inevitable.
A comedy double act that has had nearly 70 years to present a legal case to the UN ICJ.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL.
Threats are vacuous and weak. The UK should just get on with it. Its the very fact that the FO is the “ministry of foreigners” that made Spain think they could get away with this idiocy without a downside. Had they predicted we actually would go after them then they wouldn't have picked this fight. The same applied to the Falklands in 1982. We were insufficiently clear in our resolution and it resulted in a war. Thus what liberals might call reaction or overreaaction, can actually prevent more wars than it starts. So just get on with it.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all the Spanish sabre rattling...
Aug 15th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Gibraltar will not remove the concrete blocks.
- The EU will tell Spain it has concerns over the lengthy border checks.
- Catalonia has moved a step closer to independence.
- Thousands of British tourists will stop holidaying in Spain.
- The Spanish economy slides nearer to collapse.
- Spain now appears to the world as jealous and paranoid as Argentina.
- Gibraltar will remain British.
ARG+SPN
Aug 15th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there a collective noun in spanish for 'political imbecility' ?
Because there damn well should be.
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Dear everyone, let's have a game and create one.
'“See you in court” Gibraltar bullish over prospect of Spain legal case in border row - GIBRALTAR are confident they will win a legal battle with Spain over an ongoing row about border controls if it is taken to the international courts.'
Aug 15th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422333/See-you-in-court-Gibraltar-bullish-over-prospect-of-Spain-legal-case-in-border-row
'British MEP asked Spain boycott encouraged to spend the summer in Catalunya - The Conservative MP Julie Girling via Twitter thanks to Gibraltar support shown by the Catalans in the diplomatic conflict by the Rock'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422333/See-you-in-court-Gibraltar-bullish-over-prospect-of-Spain-legal-case-in-border-row
'CiU says Spain's territorial conflict 'is not Gibraltar, but Catalonia'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422333/See-you-in-court-Gibraltar-bullish-over-prospect-of-Spain-legal-case-in-border-row
'After the reef, a dam revives discord in Gibraltar: - The conservative newspaper ABC believes that the British territory “mocks Spain.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422333/See-you-in-court-Gibraltar-bullish-over-prospect-of-Spain-legal-case-in-border-row
'Smuggling “at full speed” between Gibraltar and Spain'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422333/See-you-in-court-Gibraltar-bullish-over-prospect-of-Spain-legal-case-in-border-row
'Amid Spain tension, Gibraltar plans football debut - Gibraltar is in talks with potential opponents to enable European's newest — and smallest — football nation to play its first official match later this year.'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422333/See-you-in-court-Gibraltar-bullish-over-prospect-of-Spain-legal-case-in-border-row
Margallo - brass necked or what! Hard to trust UK over fisheries - rubbish.
Aug 15th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your fishing right beside the Gibraltar coastline, and over-fishing!
Some remember the fishing disputes with Spain in 1990's in northern British waters, the result ended in a massive clampdown of fishing to preserve stocks for the future, after over-fishing.
Are the Mirage jets pre-paid compensation for fishing fines in RG waters?
Margallo’s tango with Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. This season’s UN episode of Strictly Come Chancing:
Aug 15th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=30425
Britain taking Spain to court is laughable, send the navy Camoron!
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The (Tory) Telegraph
Is Gibraltar British or Spanish?
British 12.79% (65,831 votes)
Spanish 87.21% (448,753 votes)
I remembered another Telegraph poll: Malvinas ‘should be returned’ to Argentina.
polls do not make any difference, look at the polls in Argie, Kirchner will still retain power ,if only for the comedy value.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16:
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0What, you think a poll on a comment thread (which is open to votebots) has any legal significance?
How old are you? 12?
#16 The only polls that matter to us are the ones that ask the people who live in these territories what they want. A couple of recent polls come to mind, both of which supported maintaining the link with the UK.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor jealous malvinista
That particular poll had over 90% Spanish IP addresses and was trending on twitter/facebook so has zero value.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you think that is representative then you sir are quite literally bonkers!
What is it about treaties that the Spanish and the pseudo-Spanish find so difficult to comply with?
Aug 16th, 2013 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Spain wants to abrogate the Treaty of Utrecht then perhaps the Brits should abrogate the Treaty of Amiens and re-occupy Minorca
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@16 Marcos, Marcos....
Aug 16th, 2013 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “poll” registered just half a million “yes” votes (in favour of being ceded to Spain) in under two hours.
Just to put that into context, according to Wikipedia, the entire UK circulation of the paper edition of the Daily Telegraph is 552,065 (with online readers probably about 10% on top of this) so you are seriously telling me that every UK/ Gib DT reader bothered to go online and vote that Gibraltar should be ceded to Spain? The “no” response was actually more impressive. It was around 60,0000 so I think you see the strength of the [real] opinion is pretty strong.
@21 The Spanish like Argentina have a habit of referencing treaty's knowing full well that subsequent treaty's they have signed have superseded it.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Treaty of Utrecht is over ruled by the UN Charter, EU law, UN Law of the Sea's & many more treaty's all signed by Spain over the years. Now if they want to ignore those treaty's & undo the treaty of Ultrect where they received territory in exchange for Gibraltar then when are they going to hand that territory back to Britain they gained. The island of Minorca for example according to the treaty belongs to Britain.
@22 Typo in my text - I meant 60,000
Aug 16th, 2013 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Can you not keep up? The Navy is already on the way. That's a real navy. The Royal Navy. Just a thought. If you put the argie “navy” and the spanish “navy” together, they would still be smaller than the Royal Navy.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0And here's a couple of valid “polls”. In 2002, 87.9% of the electorate of Gibraltar turned out so that 98.48% could vote AGAINST any spanish involvement in their sovereignty.
In 2013, 91.94% of the electorate of the Falkland Islands turned out so that 99.8% could vote FOR retaining their status as a British Overseas Territory. To help with the math, that's an average 99.14% over two territories in favour of being British rather than latino scum.
@23 Treaty of Amiens, 1802.
“If they were taking significant steps with Gibraltar, the cost would be far “We could make life difficult for them”, said the sources. “They know we could hurt them if we wanted to”.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed- so stop talking and start doing!
Poor pathetic Marcos - voting on a poll is the closest he and the thieving scum like him will ever come to getting their grubby hands on the Falklands or Gibraltar. :)
Aug 16th, 2013 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0A compromise- after all, they're probably all bored with making the same speeches over and over: Spain can claim the Falklands and Argentina can claim Gibraltar.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 022 Steveu
Aug 16th, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0In both Telegraph polls , about Malvinas and Gibraltar, clearly shows that most of the British people do not care about these relics of colonialism.
Argentineans and Spaniards are clearly more passionate than British about this issues, you may ask yourself why.
The answer is simple, is our land.
@ 29. What utter dross you post. Polls mean nothing, the only polls that matter are the one voted on by the peoples of Gib and the Falklands. And we all know what they want. Your opinion on the subject means as much as mine. NOTHING!!
Aug 16th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gib for the Gibraltarians and the Falklands for the Falklanders. Spain and it's fellow loser country Argentina can go and do one.
@29 Marcos
Aug 16th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are so right UK citizens have little interest simply because the matter is OVER. DONE.
The result of a votebot twitter campaigns in your home country is meaningless; shall we organise a world-wide vote to hand back Patagonia to indigenous tribes - you happy to abide by that?
You act like a dim child trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. How on earth can you justify applying 21st century ideals and values to the early 1800's and against the rightful dwellers on the Falkland Islands. Not only that, you completely ignore the wholesale invasion, usurpation/land grab of Patagonia many decades later by Argentina. Oh but that’s OK because a 15th century Pope gave Spanish and Portuguese catholic conquistadors (your ancestors remember) the right to the new world. Yeah good luck with that at the ICJ.
Your hypocrisy is evident to everyone.
Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...LMAO...soo these two clowns are gonna get together for a lil chin wag...and then..?????????????????????...lol..
Aug 16th, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - do you have a link to those polls please?
Aug 16th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0#29 Marcos, we just had our own poll and 99.9% thought you as a dumbkopf!
Aug 16th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't seem to get the fact that no-one here cares what RGland thinks or what any of your dubious mates thinks, you aren't getting either place, they are British.
By the way we have just named some of our island territories in Antarctica following the naming of Queen Elizabeth Land. How do you like that?
Hohoho!
Marcos, check out our renamed Aitcho Islands:-
Aug 16th, 2013 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the entrance to the English Draught...
Cricklewood Island
Lambert Island
Gorziglia Island
Willet Island
All approved by the Antarctic place-names committee
And, there is nothing RGland can do about it.
@29 so let's get this right
Aug 16th, 2013 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are saying that the “poll” is still valid as it “clearly shows that most of the British people do not care about these relics of colonialism. ” even though it was obviously rigged by votebots
It also begs the questions over Cueta and Melilla. Whatever their history, these Spanish exclaves should certainly be offered the opportunity to self determine their future as a high proportion of their inhabitants are ethnically Moroccan. Denying them their chance to determine how they wish to be governed (as they obviously constitute a “people” in the eyes of the UN) would be the worst kind of colonialism.
If The Uk thinks it can hurt Spain legally then why are they following the military option by sending that ridiculous scrap of metal called NAvy.Why not send “Dads Army” while they are at it.....
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0simply because Spain has got Great Britain and Gibraltar “ por los cojones”.
37 Ozzie
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are being childish again
?Argy Sunstoke
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like all the Northern Europe countries, the UK will abide by EU law. Southern European countries have no respect for their own institutions so naturally EC rules and cash are fair game to break and rob. Sorry for not been PC, but go read what the Germans, Dutch, Norwegians etc say about you, it’s not just “zee inglish”.
Spain will suffer mid to long term in the EU and other bodies when it bums around for new loans or support. It’s the Long Game. That's why the FO in the UK is distrusted by the Tabs of the UK press for not been knee jerk enough, and respected abroad for constantly outsmarting amateurs like you and Spain.
#37
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you actually ever READ postings or news bulletins Obviously NOT.
The RN'S to Gib. was arranged months ago and they will be visiting a Spanish port which was ALSO arranged months ago. There is no chance of a confrontation between the two countries at sea or in any other military manner. By ridiculous scrap metal you must be thinking of the Argentine navy.
The action at Gibraltar is a nuisance but this has been happening for at least 50 years on and off. The net result is financial suffering for the Spaniards, not Gibraltarians.
It is more efficient tackling the problem through the EU although it takes longer.
Spain is in dire economic straights and needs a further bail out from the EU. All members must agree, the UK says NO ! Spain goes down the tubes
As a dagoe or Argie you should understand this concept.
Oooh those newspapers do like to stir things up…….
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Times” revealed….“
”The Times reported…….that Britain could wage “a campaign of sabotage”
“Officials are examining ways of……..”
……..“a diplomatic source told the UK newspaper. ”
……“said the sources.”
AVoice says…….more like, “Diplomatic Sauce”…….according to my own diplomatic sources…..
…..that I never have to reveal……
…..actually I made that one up……
…..bet they did too!
@37
You know fine well from other articles that the RN was scheduled to go to Spain for military exercises before this palaver and you also know the UK can block Spain in the EU, you should also know that UK and Spain exports to each other are balanced but tourism is not.......half of the UK Peasants go to Spain....typical no class at all!
You are just trolling.....to provoke.....
No truths in anything you say.....
Marcos you really do specialise in opening your mouth and inserting one or both feet!! The only polls that count about any place or country are the ones that happen WITHIN it.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should you perhaps ask an interntional poll of people who have the ability online to multivote many times who do not understand Argentina nor its system of Govt to vote on your future?
I would hope for the sake of the other 40 million Argentines you would not!
You are evidently less than 12yrs old as even a 12 yr old knows that you want an answer - as the question with the right words to the right people - and you will get the answer you want!
Democracy luckily works in a more intelligent manner.
Who's the twat trying to pass themseves off as an Austrailian on here?
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's yer real Nationality?
#37 RG Sock Puppet (I “Think...”)
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0We could send one of the paddle boats off the Serpentine and be 100% sure that the Latinos whether Spaniard or RG would retreat as fast as they could over the horizon.
Representing yourself as an Oz person is ridiculous in the light of recent sporting events. Go suck some more Mate and addle your brain some more.
Gollum/Timerpunk whingeing with the Spaniards makes no difference, they are both irrelevant, Britons never never never shall be (latino) slaves!
The Times just revealed Britain renaming some Antarctic Islands - how about that? Welcome to Cricklewood in the Antarctic!
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/article3844213.ece
@29 You can have “your” land anytime you want. It is available in plots 7 foot by 6 foot by two foot. You may find the price a little high. In order to get a plot, you have to be dead. This is a service WE are happy to provide. Of course, there are no promises. Unless you are prepared to pay a suitable sum, £20,000 for instance, we may just shovel your miserable carcase into the sea. Or send it to zoos to be used as shark feed. Another possibility is a cesspit. We have inventive ideas in this last case. A rope under your armpits so that you can be lowered slowly. The “cess” rising slowly to slop over your lips. Then up your nose. And you can still watch as your attempts to breath suck the turds in. Alternatively, you could be lowered in head-first. Goodbye sight. Shit slopping into nostrils. And finally the open mouth. Be interesting to see what issues out of your orifices. In this latter case, how to lower? Tie a rope around the testicles. Take it slowly until the sac has stretched to a couple of feet. Then a quick chop, so you can drown and be emasculated at the same time. No sense in letting you go to your “maker” as a “male” when you aren't. Something for you to look forward to.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 Love to see the spanish “cojones” as the British nuclear warheads land. The word “shrivelled” comes to mind.
@41 Best thing to do is to ignore anonymous “Voices”. Chances it's a small bunch of the mentally retarded. Not difficult to be mentally retarded. Be born in argieland or as a spaniard. Please note “ASS” (argie-spanish-shit). Let's make a decision. Apart from the amusement value, is there any need to pay attention, or respond, to gender BENDING, receptive faggots?
36 Steveu
Aug 16th, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously rigged polls?
British citizens can vote in those polls if they wish to do so, is a British newspaper after all. Most of them don't because they know is not the land.
Ceuta and Melilla should be returned to Morocco as well.
In both polls, the massive majority of voters had Argentine and Spanish IP addresses. Hardly a vote by Brits.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 045
Aug 16th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.......“Not difficult to be mentally retarded.”
.........you should know, I can see you play the part flawlessly.
..... you are still obsessed with male genitalia and faggots etc.......
.....why not spill the beans and “come out” we will all understand, all that guy on guy action stuff you love!
.....at the moment you are that far in the closet you are in friggin Narnia!
do yourself a favour.....you will feel better for it!
I cannot comprehend the temerity of Garcia-Margallo to include the Gibralter dispute, in his agenda, when he visits Buenos Aires, this September 2nd - a visit scheduled some time before the present contovevrsy between Spain an the UK. Who told this guy that the Gilbratar issue is in our agenda? My advice for Garcia-Margallo is to do something about his hallucinations.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hektor
@46 Marcos Alejandro
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, British citizens DON’T have to live with your millstone round their necks. We are happy, confident about our past, present and future.
So, some Peronist in the 1930's created a myth to get elected and unite/divert attention. You bought the smoke big time.
But one day one such Generalissimo took it too far. Result: you and all Argentinians (and the next generations) have suffer the burden, envy, resentment and HUMILIATION of what happen.
Don't blame Thatcher, don't blame “zee inglish”. Take a long look at yourselves.
Instead of continuing the cycle, why don't every single one of you 40 million form an orderly queue and have a good old sh1t on Galtieri's grave.
Look upon it at as a cathartic freeing experience but on a national scale. That's what any good shrink would recommend.
(I waive my normal consultancy fee on this.)
I repeat this silly show of military strength is totally silly and clown like!!
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe in what you say do it with the law book in your hands like Spain is doing...Just look at how quickly the EU is rushing to the border!!
“Hang on Mr Cameron we are having our cup of coffee, I sure the border can wait” is what they are probably saying...
@46 I think you will find that we have lives to lead rather than engage in such nonsense
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“I repeat this silly show of military strength is totally silly and clown like!”“”
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm not entirely certain that you do either.
oh how sad, no links to these polls that, apparently, for the first time in human history, appear to “prove” something.
(couldnt find any other internet reference to that however...hmm...)
51 aussie sunshine (#)
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:05 pm
What show of military strength are you talking about???????
The Brits are sending their ships to the MEDITERRANEAN to take part in a yearly exercise together with other NATO states such as SPAIN, France, Turkey, Italy, etc!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now lets look at who is being held up at La Línea, over 80% of the people waiting to enter Gibraltar are SPANISH!!!!!!!!!
The other 20% are of various European ethnicities!!!!!!!!!
Less than 1% of the people waiting to enter Gibraltar are British!!!!!!!
So why should Cameron or any other Brit get worked up about the waiting time
*54 www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/16/david-cameron-spain-gibraltar-border-checks.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article 3835159.
It doesn´t matter if you a Spanish or Indian if you are coming from Gibraltar EVERYBODY gets checked.....
'Gibraltar Row: Cameron Calls On EU To Step In
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Prime Minister asks EU Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso to send monitors to review lengthy border control delays. -
David Cameron has raised concerns over the situation at the Spain-Gibraltar border with the EU – as he considers taking legal action over the stalemate.
In a phonecall to EU Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso, the Prime Minister urged him to send monitors to review the lengthy border control delays - which have been instigated by the Spanish government.
Mr Cameron told Mr Barroso that despite calls to his Spanish counterpart...'
http://news.sky.com/story/1129594/gibraltar-row-cameron-calls-on-eu-to-step-in
'Rajoy and Barroso will speak in the next few hours on Gibraltar'
http://news.sky.com/story/1129594/gibraltar-row-cameron-calls-on-eu-to-step-in
'Cristina Fernandez Rajoy rails against Spain while attempting a diplomatic alliance against 'colonialism' British'
http://news.sky.com/story/1129594/gibraltar-row-cameron-calls-on-eu-to-step-in
'Gibraltar Chief Minister denounces death threats on Twitter formulated from Spain'
http://news.sky.com/story/1129594/gibraltar-row-cameron-calls-on-eu-to-step-in
'López Aguilar: “The Government should look majorities in the EU to force Rock to fulfill their obligations”
http://news.sky.com/story/1129594/gibraltar-row-cameron-calls-on-eu-to-step-in
*54 www.stanford.co.uk/news/world/gibraltar-commentary-a-whiff-of-gunboat-diplomacy-8743932.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I cant stand Spaniards! Bloody colonialists really. Suppose we have to support them cause they support us. Bad breath, big smell of garlic. He sell CFK crappy aeroplanes but not realise we no pay. Don't want give RAF target practice so we just polish them up a bit. Look forward to my next trip to NYC , get new shirts, get out of shitty Arg and try to flat bloody kelpers a bit more, boss likes that. Oy VAT, must be off now Sabbath approaching. Chicken soup tonight...
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*58 when was the last time you took a good whiff of your arse??!! cos you smell full of shit....
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 057
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0did you mean.....
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/gibraltar-commentary-a-whiff-of-gunboat-diplomacy-8753932.html
.....and did you read it?????
#59
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't take the truth? Gollum no lie, He love the precious.
*60 I have: Read paragraph 3+5
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha #59 ..and your cricket shit, can't beat the Brits these days! Like Arg bloody useless at any sport.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0**63 yeah!! but we´re still in front!! LOL
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ashes won by England..28
“ ” “ ” Australia (31)...
62
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The article doesn't make any sense......on the one hand he explains it is an exercise already planned before the fracas.......
“At one level, HMS Westminster’s showing the flag, and its whiff of gunboat diplomacy, seem a touch old-fashioned ”
HMS Westminster was already booked to go....how is that gunboat diplomacy...how could it not fly the flag?
* 65 well look at this way..would you send the Military force if you had it?? of course you would!! but it would be a mistake...it is like telling the world that you do not believe in international law, so now I am sending my war machine to put these Spaniards in their place...David and Goliath..heard of those two??
Aug 16th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Cameron urges Europe chief to intervene to stop Spanish meddling in Gibraltar row - Prime Minister urges a political solution to growing row over border checks - Britain is now 'collating evidence' to take Madrid to court - Nick Clegg to speak to Spanish counterpart to end delays at borders...'
Aug 16th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395769/Cameron-urges-Europe-chief-intervene-stop-Spanish-meddling-Gibraltar-row.html
'Spain defends Galician floating fuel station against bunkering criticism - The Spanish government has defended a floating fuel station in Galicia against criticism, with the Minister for the Environment insisting it’s “very different” to the Gibraltarian bunkering industry Spain has objected to...'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395769/Cameron-urges-Europe-chief-intervene-stop-Spanish-meddling-Gibraltar-row.html
Hi,
Aug 16th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a link to a nice article about the Gibraltar dispute, giving both sides of the story, from BBC News:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23617910
Hektor
Well, it looks as if it will all kick off on Sunday. The Spanish fishermen had a meeting this afternoon and agreed to try and raise the concrete blocks from the Gibraltar reef.
Aug 16th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.intereconomia.com/noticias-gaceta/politica/quien-tiene-que-retirar-los-bloques-gibraltar-20130816
The Royal Navy ships arrive on Monday, so the fishermen are getting together to try and move them before the Royal Navy prevents them. Only problem is that the blocks weigh 12 tonnes each and they would have to send down divers to attach the lifting gear. Divers can be arrested and the Royal Gibraltar Police and Gibraltar Squadron of the Royal Navy will be there. Not to mention quite a few Gibraltarian divers, who may assist the RGP.
The news crews have been alerted, so you may be able to watch the spectacle on News 24 or Sky News.
'Local Spaniards back us in dispute with Madrid, says Gibraltar premier -
Aug 16th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish people living around Gibraltar support the British territory rather than their own government in the latest row over border controls, its chief minister claims.
Fabian Picardo said he is in frequent contact with local politicians in La Linea and other areas where the 4,000 Spaniards who work in the peninsula live.
Blaming the problems on the government in Madrid he said locals are supportive of Gibraltar as an “economic engine” and want to see border restrictions eased.
He also warned that the fluctuating blockade could directly impact the already struggling Spanish economy if it goes on too long, with construction jobs that would normally go to Iberian workers being awarded elsewhere.
“I have no contact with Madrid, but I have a lot of fluid contact with mayors in La Linea and others municipalities in the area who are very concerned about the effect the controls being imposed by Madrid could have on the working lives of people who come in and out of Gibraltar every day,” he said.
He added: “So often ... the people of Gibraltar and the people of La Linea and San Roque become the whipping boys for what may be happening in Madrid, which might be totally unrelated to us here...'
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/world/local-spaniards-back-us-in-dispute-with-madrid-says-gibraltar-premier-1-5962049
*70 yeah Picardo!! No more concrete,sand or rocks from Spain to reclaim land from the sea.....you fool!!
Aug 16th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beginning to worry?? are you? well it looks like this will continue for a while....by the way how do get out of Gibraltar??, I bet you don´t use the car!!!
Spain has blockaded Gibraltar more than once and even after years of a closed border nothing changed.
Aug 17th, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0People will fly or sail in and out of Gibraltar. They will ship in materials for more concrete blocks direct from mainland UK.
Spain has not gained a single advantage so far.
Not one!
All gain have been by Gibraltar. Worldwide attention. Potential legal clarification by the EU and UN on several questions.
And last but not least and BEST of all, Gibraltar now has a strengthened resolve to protect the status quo.
Own goal Spain.
Margallo will only meet Timerman if both can stay out of jail. Margallo in particular has a problem.
Aug 17th, 2013 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0What hypocrisy! With Gibraltar besieged, ROBERT HARDMAN visits Spain's own Rock - the colonial outpost in Africa that, with ocean-going double standards, they refuse to surrender ~ ...Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy also declared he was joining forces with Argentina’s Malvinas-mad President Cristina Kirchner to form a Brit-bashing double act at the UN — until it turned out he’d forgotten to discuss it with her...'
Aug 17th, 2013 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2395882/What-hypocrisy-With-Gibraltar-besieged-ROBERT-HARDMAN-visits-Spains-Rock--colonial-outpost-Africa-ocean-going-double-standards-refuse-surrender.html
#71
Aug 17th, 2013 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You tell them ! Go to the Spanish border with your placards supporting the Spanish action. I am sure that would make all the difference.
At least I could then respect you for being honest instead of hiding behind a ridiculous nom de plume pretending to be Australian
Wonder if any of these lot are the same malvanista troll we have here on these Falkland Island threads.......(you know who you are)
Aug 17th, 2013 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395777/Spanish-internet-trolls-send-death-threats-Gibraltar-minister-family.html
Let's see if they can agree which one wears the T-shirt 'I'm with Ugly', leaving the other to wear 'I'm with Stupid'.
Aug 17th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 075 Clyde15 (#)
Aug 17th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 17th, 2013 - 05:18 am
Clyde, your suggestion that Aussie Argentine go to the Spanish border with a placard supporting MADRID'S position is superb, s/he would be slaughtered by the local SPANISH populace who almost all have some sort of business or employment involvement with Gibraltar!!!!!!!!!
This is going to be the end of the fucking colonies. Malvinas islands are Argentina as Gibraltar as Spanish, Pirates put their hands off of our lands and Pirates go home!! right now
Aug 17th, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Err, let's see, err nope!
Aug 17th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear!! what a waste of forum!! where are the intellectuals?????????
Aug 17th, 2013 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81
Aug 17th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've been Top Trumped, chum!
'Rossi Minister called upon to defend the Falklands and natural resources - The defense minister, Agustín Rossi, called Latin American peoples to defend natural resources and especially the Falkland Islands, to honor the General San Martin in the 163 anniversary of his death...'
Aug 18th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201308/29156-el-ministro-rossi-llamo-defender-las-malvinas-y-los-recursos-naturales.html
@79 Argentine port
Aug 18th, 2013 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If by the end of the colonies, you mean the end of Argentina, then I couldn't agree with you more.
As for Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands (I can't find this mythical place you call Malvina's on any map), they are self-governing British Overseas Territories, not colonies.
And they are guaranteed the right to self-determination by the UN.
So continue to whine on about a historical 'mythical' event that happened on a 'mythical' island all you want. It isn't going to change the reality that Argentina is fast going down the toilet, and when it does, look out because this time the Argentine government have stolen all of the Argentine people's pension funds.
Ouch! That will hurt. Soon Argentinians will only be able to retire on the day they die. Convenient for the government, no?
@83 - Steve-33-uk
I always find it amusing that Argentina's claim is SOOOOOO weak that they have to attach it to some other event, such as the death of General San Martin.
Do they really believe that the other countries in South America and going to get an Armada together to invade the Falkland Islands, and then just hand the 'spoils' and all it's natural resources over to Argentina lock, stock and barrel?
Do they really believe that even the combined 'strength' of South America would be able to remove the true and just British claim?
Do they really believe that the countries of South America trust Argentina or each other enough to actually work together?
They really are deluded aren't they? Other South American countries care about what is happening inside their own borders and couldn't give a crap about Argentina's colonial ambitions.
The issue is fundamentally about Argentine jealousy and a dislike for a small non Latin/Spanish community with a different history and culture; no coups, banana generalissimos, murder, corruption etc.
Aug 18th, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact it has a big brother in a different neighbourhood who can put a bit of stick about if called too, also ticks them off a hell of a lot.
@83
Aug 18th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0would that be the same General San Martin who married a 14 year old girl when he was 34
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10249584/Princess-Anne-to-visit-belligerent-Argentina.html
Aug 19th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was not San Martin a British agent in the Peninsular war?
Aug 19th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allegedly he was. Probably was in my opinion.
Aug 19th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask Snowden, he probably knows.
Aug 19th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 087 Nobody knows her here. She comes for the olympics, not official.
Aug 19th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only visit I remember was of Lady Di. She was welcomed and very well received here.
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