MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ lawmaker invites Brazilian companies to join Islands oil industry development
The sovereignty issue should be left aside and talks should concentrate on the business opportunities offered by the oil industry in the Falkland Islands, said lawmaker Dick Sawle during an interview with AP in Brazil where he is on a week long visit of business and political contacts. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOoo you little tinker ........Carrot Dangling.....can't beat a nice carrot.....helps people see clearly.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just one tiny minute fraction of an agreement will blow CFK and her solidarity out of the window.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go on Brazil,
You know it makes sense.lol
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@ 1 At last , you are beginning to see the light. A bit like Argentina giving preferencial treatment to oil companies to invest in Argentina.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1 Think
Aug 28th, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FIs have only carrot but no stick.
Argentina on the other hand has neither carrot nor stick.
1 think
Aug 28th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sawle says,
““We’re in the midst of developing our oil industry in the Islands and there are many opportunities for companies from Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, wherever they come from and we are open to business. The Falklands government favours the idea of an open doors policy”
Looks like Argentina is invited, just the same as the other neighbours.
If Argentina chooses not to sign on, others will benefit in their place.
Brazil looks like a good partner, they are sure to welcome stable access to local oil supplies.
Next stop, Uruguay - always looking for friendly and stable trading partners, not having to rely on Venezuelan high-sulphur oil.
I bet that once Brazil invests and buys in, they won't take kindly to any disruption of revenue and oil supplies by some jealous hate-mongers.
Of course, Argentina could just agree to participate - “better for all in the region”
If Lord Dick Sawle sure will do that ..! I mean, you just want to discuss their diary: fishing, tourism, oil ... sovereignty (Never), this is the diary of the Islanders ..! Well, we want to discuss our diary: sovereignty, then, the issue that you can think of ...!! So simple, or else continue increasingly isolated ..!
Aug 28th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Aug 28th, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So let's discuss sovereignty.
You claim land “usurped” in the 19th century doesn't constitute sovereignty
You claim people who migrated from Europe to live in the South Atlantic have no right to self determination.
You wish for the world to return to borders of a specific window of nov 1832-jan 1833.
We don't believe you, so say “you first”
Withdraw from Patagonia, withdraw any rights from Latinos in Patagonia, and make full reparations for 130 years of theft from the native Patagonians.
Then, and only then, will we discuss sovereignty, in the correct place the ICj.
If “isolation” as you call it hurt the Falklanders, then they don't show it do they, they have one of the top 5 GDp per capita in the world.
So, fuck off with your ridiculous diary until Patagonia is back with its rightful owner, otherwise you just sound like a colonialist, genocidal hypocrite Xavier...and we would not want that would we?
So we have a problem of priorities, so we will not discuss other topics with British citizens (so say, yourselves in the referendum), inhabiting a portion of land far from UK, only if we sit we talk about sovereignty to the table. This Argentina talks with the British government. He does not speak with a British implanted community far from home. If you want to keep shouting they can do but know that nobody cares about her screams, everyone knows they are a people far from home. When you want to pay them passage back to their nation and everyone will be happy.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Aug 28th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can talk to the UK government until you are blue in the face, but they wont't and indeed can't hand sovereignty to anyone without the agreement of the islanders. So that is that. As for implanted populations, Xavier is a Spanish name not an Amerindian name. So are you European and far from home as well? Perhaps you could also respond to post 7 above regarding Patagonia.
So you say that I am of Spanish origin, is true. I have a Spanish grandmother and my grandfather was a mulatto (half Indian and black). But I would not say I'm Spanish, if you ask me who I am: I say Argentina. To you asked in March that nationality had and responded? British ..! You yourself say that their nation is not here but in the North Sea islands. I just want to help them to return to their country .. Just trying to be polite for them to reconnect with their peers. Look at you yourself, as correctly claim they have the best GDP of this part of the world, ie are tiny group of millionaires who came to live in a poor neighborhood, well it's time to meet with sophisticated people, people its class. We are very ignorant and primitive, people will not want to join us and that vulgar as we get it. We just want the good for you and that may relate to the elite of the world and not with the mob we are.
Aug 28th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. And in the same way that you are Spanish but now consider yourself Argentine, they are mostly of British origin (though with people from many other countries as well) but they consider themselves Falkland Islanders. If it is OK for you, then it should be OK for them also. Yes?
And no they didn't vote to say they were British - you are just repeating a silly point made by your government. What they voted for was to remain a BOT. The O part stands for Overseas, so no they couldn't be a BOT in the North Sea as that is not overseas.
Speaking of silly points.......the North Sea is just as much oversea as the Atlantic, as they are both adjacent to Britain.....just thought I'd chip in with that ......for something to say......that's all......ermm......carry on.......
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why don´t you give the choice of right of self determination to the whole scotish people? what about Chagos ? Liarsssssssssssss....!!!
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now we want to talk!! do we?? well!! well!!
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#13
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was under the impression that the Scottish people were having a vote next year on that very subject. Do you know something that no one else in Scotland knows....has it been cancelled. Cue for conq. to come in foaming at the mouth.
@12 Think
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least you called it Britain - that's a start.
Yes, not sure precisely how far constitutes “overseas” but I'd say anywhere you can reach by ferry in a couple of hours is not exactly overseas. I've never heard anyone call France overseas.
@13 Hipolyte
The whole of the Scottish people will exercise their right to self-determination in the referendum next year. The can leave the UK or stay, it's up to them.
As for Chagos I would be delighted to see anyone returned there that wants to go back. The UK messed up way back when and so any reasonable settlement is fine by me. I'm not sure how that helps your Falklands claim though. If you want self-determination for the Chagossians and the Scots then presumably you must want it for the Falkland Islanders as well?
15
Aug 28th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that is a bone of contention.....it is not necessarily the Scottish people....it's more those who are resident and on the electoral role in Scotland, whatever nationality.
Much to the disgust of the 800,000 Scots living in England, Wales etc.
They should have thought about that before ditching their homeland!
No address no vote!
@17 that's exactly why salmond and ginger will fail and disappear into obscurity us people that actually live in Scotland are disgusted that 16 17 year olds and prisoners can vote but 800k ex pats and serviceman living or based in England cant. And further to your post why don't you fook off and vote in your own country instead of sponging of ours tosser. I that's right your. Not allowed eh knobber
Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 018
Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.......“And further to your post ” WTF does that mean?......there was nothing further to my post?? Are you sure English is your first language?
Here we go.......“us people that actually live in Scotland ”
So now you are saying you live in Scotland.....Where.....You Liar!
Who said I sponged of any country........you have no idea where I live or where I'm from in fact you have no idea about anything at all.....do you?
.....go on take a guess......what does it feel like stabbing in the dark.....
.....go on tell me some lies like you were in the Falklands Conflict.....amuse me....please......so I can prove you a liar......please....
16
For starters that ferry crossing to France......English Channel.....
North Sea Ferries sailing from Hull/Rotterdam is overnight......just keeping you right!
Thinking it's so simple: A well-placed torpedo in only one rig and no other company will risk another, so they are very expensive. End of the scan pirate:
Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ81l_gJmOY
“Last March the Falklands held a referendum with a 92% turnout and 98% support to remain a British Overseas Territory, which “is a clear manifestation of self determination and the commitment of the over 3.000 inhabitants which make up the Falklands’ people”.
Go to the shit!!
Also ”voted” less than half, liar!
......that's because only British Citizens were allowed to vote!
Aug 28th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Aug 28th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn't have any torpedoes that work Jose.
@21
Err.....You're wrong there, read the Referendum details, this referendum was conducted exactly like elections/referenda in virtually every other country were-by only citizens or permanent residents of foreign citizenship can vote.
@21 A_VoiceOverof Think
Aug 29th, 2013 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“......that's because only British Citizens were allowed to vote!”
Ok, please note:
“ A_Voice” is lying.
Future reference for the next time “A_Voice”Think says, “ Me... lie ???”
XAVIER
Aug 29th, 2013 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are clearly stupid.
Let me explain. You ancestors came from Spain and settled in Argentina. They massacred the indigenous population and then stole Patagonia in blatant act of 19th century colonialism. You then claim to all be “Argentine” and thus use self-determination (i.e. the people who live there now) to decide what you want to be.
The Falkland Islanders came from Britian many far longer ago than your grandparents. The consider themselves a British Overseas territory and Falkland Islanders. They are just as much in their homes, as you are in yours...they only difference being that their ancestors didnt slaughter hundreds of thousands of indigenous people like yours.
The only reason the Falklands are close to Argentina is because of your illegal colonialist usurption of Patagonia...give it back tou thieving pirate.
You see Xavier, you say you want to talk “sovereignty”, but you don't...Argentine sovereignty of patagonia.
#20
Aug 29th, 2013 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well thought out Jose. If Argentina “torpedoed” an oil rig with a submarine that works....which they don't have.....civilians would be killed. Probably including those from the USA. It would cause long term pollution of the seas eventually affecting your coastal waters. The USA are known for their tolerance against terrorist acts. I would guess that your country would be at the receiving end of a large salvo of cruise missiles and air strikes as retaliation. I presume that you thought this through. I cannot envisage ANY LATAM country coming to your assistance.
As to that pathetic video of an Argie sub. sinking an unarmed fishing boat, yes that is about all you could do. You would be too scared to tackle anything that could hit back.
@13 The Chagos Islanders had to leave because there is no natural water on the islands so once the coia business was finished the community was unsustainable. Efforts were made to rehome them as close to the islands as possible in Mauritius and the Mauritian government was paid to allow this to happen. It seems that they took the money but didn't fully honour the deal.
Aug 29th, 2013 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not saying that this was our finest moment as it was done in the name of expediency and to please Uncle Sam but it was nearly fifty years ago and I believe discussions are in progress with a view to transferring sovereignty to Mauritius which, with hindsight, maybe we should have done in the first place. The recent stories of the US holding illegal cluster munitions on the islands (as revealed in Wikileaks) and also using them for extraordinary rendition flights (admitted by David Miliband in parliament in 2002) would tell me we should get rid of the responsibility ASAP
Having said that, I think raising the Chagos issue is usually used as a distraction in these discussions rather than real concern. I don't see many offers from CFK to offer the Chagossians a home in Argentina
@1 Well, the Falklands has a carrot. And even if argieland had one, everyone knows now that it would be snatched as soon as the legal owner had cooked it!
Aug 29th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 You can discuss your “diary” all you want. Although I think you mean “agenda”. The “problem” is quite simple. Britain has held sovereignty for nearly 250 years. Argieland NEVER has. The “claim” Spain made was rejected in 1771. And sovereignty can't be “inherited” anyway!
@8 Okay, don't talk. If you haven't noticed, argieland doesn't have any success in discussing matters with Britain where they are within the competence of the Falkland Islands Government. Argieland is in no position to either demand or insist.
@10 A twisted argie view. The nationality of the Islanders is not an issue. In part because there are six classes of British nationality. Technically, the Islanders are, for the most part, British Overseas Territories citizens.
@13 The Scottish First Minister has chosen who will vote in the Scotland referendum. Tell him. As for the Chagos, the usual red herring. I'm not going to repeat it all. Go and look it up.
@15 Why would I “foam at the mouth”? All I have pointed out is that Salmond lies consistently and fails to accept facts. And that Scotland owes England £2 quadrillion. If Scots don't like that, it's not my fault. Consider all the subjects that have come up. EU membership; currency union; interstate trade; nationality; defence; revenues; industry; employment; welfare benefits. Everything Salmond has said has either been disputed or rejected. If you can't see or understand that, it will be your problem.
@19 It obviously isn't yours!
@20 Argieland resorts to piracy! Few points about your video. I didn't see a torpedo launched. Even from above, no torpedo wakes. And the Salta was pretty useless in '82. Couldn't fire! And tell us, does “everybody” in argieland vote? Or is it just those old enough?
23
Aug 29th, 2013 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't shoot the messenger......I wasn't telling porkies I was quoting the British Broadcasting Corporation.......
“There was a turnout of more than 90% from 1,672 British citizens eligible to vote in a population of about 2,900.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21750909
José was right though......MercoPress was lying....
“is a clear manifestation of self determination and the commitment of the over 3.000 inhabitants which make up the Falklands’ people”.
Only about half of the inhabitants could vote.....
“Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day referendum - on a turnout of more than 90% - 1,513 were in favour, while just three votes were against.”
I wonder what the other half think.......
#27
Aug 29th, 2013 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at some of your previous posts on this subject !!!!!!!
Disputed or rejected does not necessarily mean that they are wrong.
For example, the labour government LIED about the value of North Sea Oil when Scottish independence was first brought up.
It is now admitted ..over 30 years later..that Scotland would have been one of the richest countries per capita and on a par with Norway.
I don't know the legal ins and outs of EU, NATO membership or the financial implications but neither do you.
As for our current government, they could not count the takings from a raffle and agree the figure.
A-Hole
Aug 29th, 2013 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is the population of the UK?
How many are eligable to vote?
What is the population of Argentina?
How many are eligable to vote?
Do you think some of those ineligable to vote IN ALL THREE CASES might be children?
Do you think some of those ineligable to vote IN ALL THREE CASES might be non-nationals?
You are either stupid or deliberably trying to mislead...or more than likely both.
@28
Aug 29th, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So all 40,000,000 people in Argentina are eligible to vote in all official Argentine Government political elections, votes, referendums, etc.? Even the ex-pats? The children? The prisoners? The people temporarily living in Argentina? Overseas students?
I didn't think so.....
@31
Aug 29th, 2013 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all
in 2011 of the 41million Argentines, only 25million are eligable to vote and only 21 million chose to....“I WONDER WHAT THE OTHER HALF THOUGHT”
in 2010 of the 64million british, only 45million are eligable to vote and only 29 million chose to....“I WONDER WHAT THE OTHER HALF THOUGHT”
whatadick!
I just looked up the numbers... according to Argentine statistics 78.89% of the population voted in the 2011 General Election in Argentina. This represents 22,834,675. So what about the other 11,055,045 people? WHy couldn't they vote?
Aug 29th, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what they think?
IDIOT!
20 José Malvinero (#)
Aug 29th, 2013 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:48 pm
José: The video is one of the most amateur propaganda films I have ever seen, the ship that blew up was a Spanish fishing vessel that had been captured illegally fishing off Puerto Madryn and was scuttled eventually by the Prefectura Naval (Coast Guards) using scuttling charges about 20 kilómeters off the coast!!!!!!
The Brits have a wonderful expression that fits very well here: You can stick anything into soft shit!!!!!!!!!
32
Aug 29th, 2013 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0.....you are obviously the dick.....by your own statistics.....
“in 2010 of the 64million british, only 45million are eligable to vote”......approx 75%
Scotland eligible to vote......3.99 million plus the extra 16/17 year olds to be included.....80% of population.
......and the Falklands........approx......50% of population....eligible to vote.....how strange.
.....Stupid Monkey
I often think A-voice must be one of those Angry SNP black shirts, he know a lot about the UK and from this writing it would seem he has very little love for Argentina.
Aug 29th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone else think Scottish nationalism is a damaging ideology, everytime I've watched debate's on Scottish independence, the Nat's are very ugly, blaming everything & anything on zee english pigs. I think the SNP have watched braveheart on a loop for to many years (crap film).
#36 It's not just crap it's downright xenophobic, horribly revisionist, and in fact downright inaccurate. While I acknowledge it's a piece of fiction it's presented as portraying historical events. The “Ius Prima Noctis” bit in particular is just one long lie to make the English look like monsters.
Aug 29th, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0#37
Aug 29th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are talking about “Braveheart”, it is a piece of fiction on a par with an old cowboys and indian film. It was made by an American of Irish descent who obviously has a “race memory” implanted to dislike the English. His next effort Patriot” was equally bad.
Yes, there are quite a few loonies who blame the English for all the ills of the world and conversely there are many more English who are xenophobic, still believing that they have a right to have things there way and sod Johnny foreigner.....the French especially and the Germans when it comes to football !
However, back to Braveheart, any dispassionate Englishman would have to admit that Edward 1 was a right bastard.
36
Aug 29th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Starring.....an Aussie.....strewth
Hehe..... at the Wallace Monument there was a statue of Wallace (Mel Gibson portrayal)
.......described as “among the most loathed pieces of public art in Scotland” and one local called it a “lump of crap”, but the statue was popular with tourists.......especially the English ones.....They used to fall about laughing.....saying hey that's Mel Gibson an Aussie!
The statue was subject to regular vandalism: its face was gouged out, it had paint thrown over it, it was struck with a hammer, and someone chipped off the decapitated head of the Governor of York which had formerly graced the statue's base.
Eventually the sculptor Church ....... offered it for sale for £350,000, hoping it would find a buyer in North America; of its failure to sell Church's agent said ”I can’t understand how the sale hasn’t taken off.
Even the gullible Yanks couldn't fall for that.......it was no London Bridge!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Wallace_Statue.JPG
bla bla bla , argu argu argu ,
Aug 29th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0insult after insult,
facts and fiction fill this blog like hansel and gretle,
the falklands are british-full stop
the british are british-full stop
and argentinians are argentinians,
simple is it not....lolol.
#39
Aug 29th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An American !
Mel Colm-Cille Gerard Gibson AO is an American actor, film director, producer and screenwriter. He was born in Peekskill, New York, moved with his parents to Sydney, Australia, when he was 12 years old,
Colm- Cille.....“church dove” or better known as St. Columba.
I think that shows his Irish heritage !
41
Aug 29th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep you are right......born in the US but emigrated to Aussie land.....and an Irish mother.....remember him from the Sullivan's as an Aussie....
Braveheart......got to be the worst impression of a Scottish accent ever.....
15 and 16
Aug 29th, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I´m sure that the self determination will be just for scotish who lives in scotland.... what about the scotish who lives in London ?? Will you give them the right of self determination too ?? I don´t think so... Let the islanders to be self determinated on their own mothercountry...England, not in ARGENTINA !!!!! tanto les cuesta entender esta simpleza??!!!
@43 hipolyte
Aug 30th, 2013 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah the voice of ignorance speaks.
Point 1: It is the Scottish government that has made the decision that only resident Scottish people can vote in the referendum, NOT the UK government.
Point 2: The people of the Falkland Islands are NOT English, and England isn't their mother country. They are a British Overseas Territory and the Falkland Islands is their mother country.
But tell you what, just to be fair, why doesn't Argentina take all that wonderful evidence you have, and go to the International Court of Justice.
You will only have to prove a few things, which should be easy, with all that irrefutable evidence that you have.
1. You have to prove that the Falkland Islands were not British before the 'fabled' 1833 incident, when the Royal Navy kicked a bunch of murderers and rapists off the islands.
2. You then have to prove that the British acted against international law, as it stood in the 19th century.
3. Then you have to prove just how the Falkland Islands were an integral territorial part of Argentina in 1833 when:
a. Argentina, as a country, didn't exist in 1833, and
b. The United Provinces were over a thousand miles away from the Falklands in 1833.
4. Then you have to prove that:
a. Inheritance of a sovereignty claim was international law in 1833, and
b. Spain 'left' the Falklands to Argentina, despite Spain dropping it's own sovereignty claim in the 1840's, and didn't recognise Argentina as a country until the 1860's.
5. Then you have to prove why all of that overrides the principle of Self-Determination, as laid down in the UN Charter: the UN Charter of course which trumps ALL previous international laws and treaties, and which Argentina signed in 1947 and promised to follow.
And once you've done all of that, the ICJ can rule once and for all on the situation.
So the question is, hipolyte, why doesn't Argentina go to the ICJ? Is it because you have no legitimate claim? Of course it is.
Come on A-Hole
Aug 30th, 2013 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Youcan start a new Clarion call...VOTES FOR BABIES...
Whatacock!
@43
Aug 30th, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands is the mother country to the Falkland Islanders, who are an Atlantic people.
The UK is there to stop Argentina from colonising them.
* 46 The uk is there to waste tax payers good money.....
Aug 31st, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Sep 03rd, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The uk is there to waste tax payers good money.....”
Keeping the racists to their west in their place is a good use of taxpayers money, and cheaper than another full blown war.
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