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Malvinas/Gibraltar has ‘enormous similarities’ and Spain could vote jointly with Argentina
Spain could vote jointly with Argentina resolutions on Gibraltar and the Malvinas Islands in international forums, although with some reserves, admitted Spanish Foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo during his visit to Uruguay. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesActually Gibraltar and the Falklands are completely different.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar was once part of Spain and was ceded by Treaty in perpetuity to Britain.
The Falklands were never part of Argentina, and never will be.
@1 Moneymagic
Sep 06th, 2013 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree. The only commonality is that both countries are belligerents and both will fail and both use these matters as a distraction for their beleaguered electorate.
What they are talking about is re-colonisation. Complete nonsense. Spain ingratiating and grovelling for Argentina's insipid help.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anything to shift their populations' attention away from internal economic problems.
But territorial integretary does not apply to Morocco ? .... the same old hypocrisy from Spain.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0And as for getting in bed with Argentina another stupid move as CFK will steal all the covers. ...... silly silly Spain will they ever learn
Yawn.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0My enemies enemy is my friend - pathetic.
Spain already supports Argentina at the UN on these issues, and I have no doubt that Argentina votes for Spain so to suggest that something might change is laughable.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0And self-determination clearly trumps territorial integrity (not tha Argentina has ever possessed the Falklands).
This is just more rhetoric for internal consumption.
Of course there are similarities. For a start, both argieland and Spain are “within range”. Then argieland and Spain could vote jointly in the UN General Assembly. Which is irrelevant as nothing it comes out with is binding. Poor little Margallo. Took on something too big for him. And now he needs “help”. As we've all seen, the UK generally ignores argieland. It's not important. Spain is in a different situation. It “needs” help. Real help. Argieland owes a Spanish company US$10.5 billion. It comes across as a cripple trying to engage the assistance of a quadroplegic.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes perfidious Albion has kicked spanish arse and argie arse
Sep 06th, 2013 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares ?
Sep 06th, 2013 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only real similarity between the FI and Gib is that neither Spain nor Argentina can do anything.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the rest is just so much hot air.
Spain is just pissed off because European Commission President Jose Barroso has clipped their wings & warned Spanish Premier Mariano Rajoy in a telephone conversation that the EU has rejected his claims of Gibraltar being a Tax haven & warned them against implementing “illegal” measures at the border & that they must fully respect EU law & not prevent the free movement of people. Their plan to charge a €50 fee to cross the border is illegal under EU law as is Rajoys plan of targeting Gibraltarn & British nationals with Tax investigations. Their plan to stop fuel ships & fine them is paramount to a blockade & has also been branded illegal by the EU.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain has backed itself into a corner & has nowhere to go with Gibraltar now threatening legal action in the EU courts it could get very expensive for Rayoy's government both in monetary terms & for his country's claim which will blown out the water should the EU get involved.
The Falklands and Gibraltar are both similar cases in respect that the residents DO have the right to self-determination. Here is the current legal thinking regarding this right from the UN ICJ.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0legal Issues Involved in the Western Sahara Dispute - the Principles of Self-Determination - Committee on the UN 2012
'To summarize, according to the ICJ, a state must demonstrate ties between itself and the population of a colony as a whole and over a continuous period and in a significant and formal fashion immediately proceeding its colonization in order to overcome the right of self-determination of the inhabitants of the colony.
Further, a state's right under international law to acquire the territory of another sovereign state or a non-self-governing territory, again the will of the of its people under the theory of 'historical ties' is severely circumscribed. The theory cannot support the annexation of the territory of another sovereign state. When applied to another territory of a a non-self-governing territory the requirements are strict; it requires proof of continuous, important and formal ties of a political and economic nature in the few instances in which it has successfully defeated the right of the inhabitants to self-determination.'
I am sure that both the Argentinians and Spanish are aware of this and the fact that any legal case that they bring to the UN ICJ would be doomed to fail.
The Falklands and Gibraltar are merely being used for political distraction purposes.
http://www2.nycbar/org/pdf/report/uploads/20072264-WesternSaharaDispute--SelfDeterminationMoroccosLegalClaims.pdf
@12 Bob
Sep 06th, 2013 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's very interesting. Do you have a live link though as the one above is dead.
Thanks.
Of course it's something they have in common. Two bogus territorial claims that neither is clearly serious about correctly pursuing but is very useful in distracting the suckers they rule when they need a distraction from their own incompetence and scandals.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love the smell of desperation in the morning...or afternoon...or evening...or night time.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, Spain is smelling very desperate now.
Good move from both governments, giving another chance to the government of the UK to sit down and dialogue, something unknown for those people. Another good move would be to really make them feel isolated down there on the islands, perhaps this will be another move to ba taken in the near future. A silent war would cause even greater damage to the UK intentions than the wars they start in Middle East.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0How petty are the Argentinians:-
Sep 06th, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10290998/Argentine-militant-group-threatens-Princess-Royal-over-Falklands.html
16 You and those people who call for dialogue are insane.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0If my neighbour comes to my house and says he wants to takeover part of my land, do I invite him in for a chat about what bits he wants? No, I tell him to get lost. If he really thinks he has a valid claim he can take legal action, either way there is nothing to discuss.
Similarly the Pope saying there should be no military action in Syria, instead there should be active dialogue to stop the violence. Yes, good idea, let's have a chat about whether it is a good idea to gas your own people or not. Seriously, I'm not sure that military involvement from the UK and US is a good idea, but if you want to stop it, having a chat is not the way to go. You might as well try to reason with a charging Rhino.
Maybe by the time the Syrians see the logic in not gassing their own people they will all be dead.
“Maybe by the time the Syrians see the logic in not gassing their own people they will all be dead.” talking about bringing peace and democracy. Terrible words that depict what you really are people.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 019 Maybe you aren't advanced enough to understand the point. To spell it out, I am precisely saying that dialogue is pointless because while the rest of the world is standing around talking the Syrians are carrying on killing their own people.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or perhaps you do understand what I am saying and are trying to achieve some trivial point scoring. If so, shame on you.
One can only smile at the insane behaviour of both Arjuntina and its equally insane partner in crime Spain....on and on and on.I predict that they both will carry on with thier dysfunctional behaviour until the UK responds,and at that time they will both start to bleat about how unfair those nasty Brits really are.Spain in particular stands to lose much more than Arjuntina..ie...they have a huge fishing fleet off the west coast of Scotland and all the Brits have to do is start “On Board” inspections(quite legal)..Or better yet order Spanish vessels into a British port...then unload all fish aboard for “Inspection” and to ensure that all rules and regs are being followed..no restricted spiecies etc etc...Do it Britain and watch the spicks ,first start to whine,and shortly there after crumble...Just do it...!!
Sep 06th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sr. Garcia Margallo seems to forget that a large proportion of the Falkland Island fishing fleet is made up of SPANISH ships, I'm sure that the Gallegos would be thrilled to find themselves unable to fish in Falkland waters because their ridiculous government fought with Britain!!!!!!!!!
Sep 06th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0....As is the similarity of ceuta and melilla...
Sep 06th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Legislative Assembly Members propose motion recognising the Referendum result at Commonwealth Parliamentary Association conference - THE Commonwealth Parliamentary Association during its conference in Johannesburg noted a motion recognising the Falkland Islands Referendum as a free and fair expression of the Falkland Islanders wishes and their right to Self-Determination...'
Sep 06th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php/news/politics/item/605-legislative-assembly-members-propose-motion-recognising-the-referendum-result-at-commonwealth-parliamentary-association-conference-
'Argentine militant group threatens Princess Royal over Falklands
The Princess Royal has been threatened by a militant Argentinian group as she begins the first official senior royal engagement to the South American country for 14 years...'
http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php/news/politics/item/605-legislative-assembly-members-propose-motion-recognising-the-referendum-result-at-commonwealth-parliamentary-association-conference-
I can't help but think that it's a bit odd that this “tax haven” has quite so many Taxation Information Exchange Agreements with other EU juristictions.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Admittedly they've yet to sort them out with Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain. But of that list only two were members of the EU before the turn of the century, and of those two one is generally considered a tax haven by all of the countries that surround it.
Of course the other is a political and economic basket case.
@25 “I can't help but think that it's a bit odd that this “tax haven” has quite so many Taxation Information Exchange Agreements with other EU juristictions.”
Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0A transparent Tax Haven! Oh! The villainy!
@16 Isn't Gonzo one of the Muppets? The UK won't be sitting down to “dialogue” anything without the Falkland Islands Government or the Government of Gibraltar. You see, these Territories are essentially self-governing. The problem for latinos is that they can't distinguish between foreign relations and domestic affairs. For example, argieland thought it could approach the UK to allow argie flights into the Falklands. Wrong! That's a domestic matter. Approach the Falkland Islands Government. Spain thinks it can discuss the artificial reef with the UK. Wrong! Another domestic matter. Approach the Government of Gibraltar. But don't whinge about anything in Gibraltar's waters.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Redrow
Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0For some reason the link will not work and you have to google it:
http://www2.nycbar/org/pdf/report/uploads/20072264-WesternSaharaDispute--SelfDeterminationMoroccosLegalClaims.pdf
Quebracho says:
Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.quebracho.org.ar/inicio/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=811:en-el-colon-quebracho-recibira-a-la-princesa-ana-de-inglaterra-viernes-18hs&catid=63:noticias
Russia's description of Britain as “the small island no one listens to”
Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0David Cameron: UK may be a small island but it has the biggest heart....ohh poor baby
Brit comment
“Absolutely. We stopped slavery, everyone forgets that. We profited hugely from it beforehand, we manage to forget that. We plundered most of Africa and Asia and acted little better than the fascists we ousted towards colonial populations. Over 1 million Commonwealth troops from Asia, Africa and the West Indies fought for a democracy which they were denied, many of them dying in the conflict.
The trouble with these 'Sceptred Isle” speeches is they only work on those with a limited grasp of history.
We're not the worst country in the world, but let's not delude ourselves about motives of our governments, particularly this one, because it's blatant self interest”
Isn't it time you went back to your Lego Marcos - or can't you make the pieces fit together - a bit like your exceedingly limited grasp of anything, let alone history.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@31 My five year old does legos and is Master Builder Academy material. I don't think Marcus is ready for Duplos yet ... or even those giant squishy building block ones -- he might get hurt.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas/Gibraltar has ‘enormous similarities’
Sep 06th, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and we all know what they are !! Coveted by two “waste of space ” countries governed by crooks.
“There are some domestic resolutions from Argentina which we don’t have to support and probably there are resolutions in issues we have adopted that Argentina does not have to support” said the Spanish official.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup we know what that is, he is referring to Spain's defence of the ceuta and melilla, in which Spain argues that these are not part of Morocco, because Morocco never existed, they obviously cannot agree that same sentiment in regard to the Falklands, as if they did they would 1. be agreeing with the UK that indeed the Falklands was not part of Argentina as that did not exist at the time, 2. they would be saying actually that doesn't really matter in regard to ceuta and melilla, laughable, can I point out though that the UN hold no power to change the status of any region without the consent of those living there, and again that they have no power to change anything anyway, to boot the UK carries a veto so that will just be laughed out again, then of course we have the UN's decolonisation committee who again have no actual power they are merely advisor's, Gibraltar and the Falklands can claim independence and as such would then meet and exceed all the UN charters & can live freely or enter into an agreement with the UK to rejoin as an BOT, the thing that makes me laugh is all these two have to do is take this to the international court in the Hague, although they won't because Britain has the strongest legal standpoint by far and they will lose, upon losing they would be aloud no further claim to either territory, to boot Morocco would be knocking on the Hague's/UN door asking for Ceuta and Melilla to be listed as colonies, and they would have to review that case, along with Catalonia & The Basque country, so in all you'd have a fragmented Spain with much legal wrangling, there is nothing they can do, point blank!, I don't know why they waste the energy on it, take it to court lets have a laugh, meanwhile Rule Britannia, & come on England tonight :)
These Hispanic ambitions whether it be Argentine or Spanish should be met with deafening silence from the UK hopefully forcing an internationally illegal action by one or both of the aggressive parties so we can have a little vote of our own.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the meantime Spains foreign policy is continuingly proving that it no longer needs UK tourism to help its dire economy, however much its people do, no wonder Catalonia wants independence from spain.
Go ahead Spain, do what you wish. It makes no difference to us or the rest of the planet. Fill your boots, it's only you and Argie that is going to look stupid.............AGAIN.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Garcia-Margello is right: The principle of territorial integrity does apply but not to either Spain or Argentina as third parties, rather only to Great Britain and the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar as first parties.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain and Argentina have peddled their own pretensions of territorial integrity for so long they have forgotten they have no basis in the UN Charter whatsoever. Rather Great Britain's rights to territorial integrity prevail as the Administrating Country of both Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands as listed non-self-governing-territories in respect of UN Charter Article 73.
Great Britain's rights are fact in law, Spain's and Argentina's pretensions are baseless and without legal merit, nothing more than political myths peddled by successive regimes since Francoist Spain and Peronist Argentina.
In the matter of Territorial Integrity with respect to Gibraltar and the Falklands Islands, Great Britain holds all the cards, whilst Spain and Argentina have nothing but bluster and bluff.
Ever since Argyland nationalised some Spanish oil company the Spanish have been bending over backwards to please Mrs Kirchner. Perhaps if we nationalised O2, the Spanish would give us Cadiz. In the meantime UK should support Basques and Catalonia in their quest for independence.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commonwealth Conference Backs Motion Condemning Spain
Sep 06th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=30695
wow that's a scary headline NOT!!!! pricks
Sep 06th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos
Sep 06th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is almost no doubt as to the worst country in the world. That would be Argentina.
Firstly it is founded on genocidal colonialism. An implanted population with blood on it hands.
There are others of these, but on Argentina denies it own history, yet accuses others of “implantation” when they are innocent and Argentina is not.
Secondly, Argentina has huge unpaid, and defaulted international debts.
There are other countries who have defaulted, but none with Argentinas resources, head start, and potential, squandered by lying thieving governments.
Thirdly, Argentina Denys it's recent history of supporting fascism, murdering nuns, and lobbing folk from aeroplanes, they package this as “the Junta” and blame foreigners for it.
Only in Argentina do they do this, it makes them the scum of humanity. take responsibility you shots..and stop blaming others.
Fourthly, Argentina invaded, and attempted to ethnically cleanse a population of 3000 people. you disgusting fucking bullies. You spout on about the middle east, look at your own behaviour...or was that theJunta again? Even then when your ship was sunk in battle...you tried to blame someone, or anyone but yourselves.
the list to goes on, cowardice, deceit, dishonesty..for decades and centuries
There is no country worse than Argentina, no country more Dishonest, more unwilling to take responsibility, more thieving, conniving and untrustworthy.
It is a shame for folk like Simon, and the decent Argentines that they are saddled with a vast number of human effluent to share their country with. A country that could've, should've been great, but is actually SHIT.
So if the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association which represents 52 UN member state backs the Falkland Islands' right to self determination and also recognises its recent referendum, them I'm guessing that Argentina's claims aren't as strong as they thing.
Sep 06th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Argentina can get is “support for their legitimate rights”. Even I agree with that.
LOL
British of Gibraltar....
Sep 06th, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jO-OI-lmVrE/SR18aDk7SnI/AAAAAAAAEf0/6QSSYhXtLZA/s400/g-1.jpg
who let you into Gibraltar Jose?
Sep 06th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lot must be very old... You know there is more to internet than Mercopress and Penguin News, don't you? Great! Now, imagine the whole world knowing this too.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0There was a time when you lot could counter arguments with personal attacks, mainly because the other side never was able to show their standpoint.
So everybody jumped on the train and case was closed.
You lot have no arguments.
When we talk ideologies, you talk about our backgrounds and whereabouts. When we talk countries, you talk about lists and carefully selected history.
When we talk about history, you lot close the circle with more personal attacks.
May have worked when you lot were Young, a bit like when you label the option “either you are *insert fancy word* or you are *again*”.
Like me telling you either you lot are morons or just parasites.
You see, it might be true, but it has little to do with any topic Mercopress can present...
45 I'm sure that post made sense to you, but the rest of us are baffled.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Iron Man
Sep 07th, 2013 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm getting used to that reaction, no need to worry.
Fact is, in order not to baffle you, I would need to talk like conq, the kind of English you lot DO understand...
Stevie
Sep 07th, 2013 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get off your high horse, your just as guilty as anyone else.
Worse, you've been caught out on blatant lies.
Don't now try to take the moral high ground because, coming from you, it just sounds pathetic.
Of course there is more to the news and world than Mercopress. The fact that so few people who support the current governments in Uruguay and Argentina actually choose to live in those countries and live with the consequences and reality of those governments speaks volumes.
You're free to stop reading and posting here. The fact you choose to continue makes a lie of your posts above.
@45
Sep 07th, 2013 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0A vituperative rant, which ends with you doing yourself exactly what you've just been ranting on about. Shades of Tobias. What is it about you people and your chronic lack of self-awareness?
#47
Sep 07th, 2013 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly is your personal “beef” about the UK ?
What have they done TO YOU that causes you so much grief. Forget about the Middle East, ideology etc. How has the UK affected YOU and made YOUR life worse. You must have a nationality, so what grievous harm has been done by the UK to your nation or to whatever country in which you currently reside ?
I will not accept a “world citizen” or a woolly political dogma as a proper reply.
“ Garcia Margallo said that Spain, based on “coherence and common sense” could vote jointly with Argentina on both contentious issues, ”
Sep 07th, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0They vote on the same already-that's news? Yaaawwwnn.
“Those ‘similarities’ refer to three aspects: first they are “territories subject to decolonization”
Which by UN parlance means Independence of the territories not recolonisation, yawwn.
”, it must be resolved through negotiations of the countries involved, In the case of Gibraltar the UK and Spain, and in Malvinas, the UK and Argentina”.
But without the participation of the people living in the territories-problem is, Ban Ki Moon thinks it is important that the people living on the territories should be involved, yaaawwwnnn.
“where the Spanish delegation is promoting the candidacy of Madrid for 2020 Olympic Games ”
Better hope that no Commonwealth countries are voting then Senor, as they've just voted against Spain's bullying of Gibraltar, as well as endorsing the Falkland Island referendum, which according to Gollum has NO support in the world. LOl.
@22 Simon 68
“Sr. Garcia Margallo seems to forget that a large proportion of the Falkland Island fishing fleet is made up of SPANISH ships”,
@16
“Another good move would be to really make them feel isolated down there on the islands”
What by withdrawing Spanish ships and therefore the money SPAIN pays the Falkland Islands Government?
So how many more Spanish is that going to leave unemployed??
Someone else will buy the fishing rights and Spain will lose out by brown nosing to Argentina.
Bring it on amigos!
It's not a question about getting off the horse, it's more about not wanting to dig myself into a hole trying to reach your levels...
Sep 07th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Insults and more insults, that is what has become of that once beautiful language.
And you lot are the embassadors of such atrocity...
Then leave Stevie.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one would miss you.
However if you stay then you put a lie to everything you just claimed.
Stevie, forget about digging holes, you're already buried up to your neck in the horse manure that passes for your viewpoints on the world. You get insulted because we treat you with the contempt that you deserve.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@52
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come, come Stevie, like Tobias you seem to believe that the acceptable level for you is the lowest level anybody else has reached. Has nobody in your life ever attempted to tell you what's wrong with this?
No Hans, I never ever experienced this level of concentrated stupidity before...
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should contact your “embassador” and complain.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, I'll just stick to exposing it in your lots faces...
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0With how desperate for attention you are, you've probably got a police record for doing that already...
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stick to the insults, why leave the comfort zone?
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can I say? Mocking someone as sanctimonious yet totally hypocritical as you is a guilty pleasure ;)
Sep 07th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ambassador Pagliari argued before 32 plus WTO members that Argentina is still suffering the consequences of a dictatorship and the Malvinas war.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Germany and Japan were up and running 30 years after two of the worst dictatorships of the last century and having their countries reduced to ruins. Why could Argentina not do the same ?
#16
And Argentina is the one to carry it out ? Dream on !!
Timmerman HAS been offered negotiations but will not attend.
Spain can talk to Gibraltar....what's the problem ?
Redrow & Brit Bob this is the correct link:
Sep 07th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www2.nycbar.org/pdf/report/uploads/20072264-WesternSaharaDispute--SelfDeterminationMoroccosLegalClaims.pdf
Britninja
Sep 07th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, you were mocking me...
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right...
@64 Yup. You're a gormless twat. Oops I did it again.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha
Sep 07th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And here I thought I was Brit Ninja...
Nja?
I know your fractured, disturbed psyche probably does have several personalities but no Stevie, you're not me. : Just go away now, you're getting creepy.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha
Sep 07th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for the typo Britni, I just couldn't stop laughing
Hahaha
Tell me, are you a stand-in for Anglolatino when he's... lets say out camping?
Hahaha
Demented psychotic laughter now too... Like I said, creepier by the second. I hope your poor wife has hidden all the sharp objects in the house ;)
Sep 07th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooops
Sep 07th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did it again!
;)
Nope I'm not a stand-in Stevie. It's not a conspiracy, I'm sure it's just that most people who encounter you think you're screwed up ;) On top of being a hypocrite and strange it seems you're a bit of a bigot too - you're such a winner lol.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toxic!
Sep 07th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I get it now. Britney Spears. Yeah. Funny.
Sep 07th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Tell me, are you a stand-in for Anglolatino when he's... lets say out camping?”
Sep 07th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well nice to see that Stevie was full of shit when he wrote post 45.
Also nice to see that I am so under his skin that it would seem that almost everything on this site is about me. C'mon Stevie chase me a little bit more. No need to talk about the articles, that's not what you have here for any longer.
Whenever I comment on a thread it is almost guaranteed you'll be there to try and take me down a notch. And how is that working out for you so far Uruguyan that won't live in Uruguay?
You are obviously still smarting from me exposing your initial lies on this site. How about your criteria for what constitutes a Latin American country? In the Americas and speaks a Latin/romance language? Do you remember that piece of idiocy? Too blind still to realise that French Guinana fits your simplistic definition. Don't back down now, you keep trying to ignore that France is Latin American by your own definition. It wasn't mine. Do you care to redefine Latin American now? No? You couldn't answer that before so I don't expect you to do it now.
Your conversion to yet another predictable troll is almost complete now.
I know, let's deflect and talk about debt now.
Anglolastima
Sep 07th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm... Lets try this.
Binary thinking, should fit you perfectly.
In order to be Latinamerican, by definition, you need to fulfill two (that's one, and another) criterias.
One is that the language you speak has to be of Latin origin.
That's French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Romanian, with offsprings.
Secondly, you have to be geographically (here is the difficult part, focus now) located in America, which is a continent.
Romania is not in America.
Spain is not in America.
Italy is not in America.
Portugal is not in America.
France is not in America.
Those countries are Latin, European nations.
Not Latinamericans.
It has NOTHING to do with French Guyana...
Have a nice camping.
Spain should first return Ceuta and Melilla to its African owner. Then it could look to clean the house before demanding legal British land to hide its own economic problems from the focus os Spaniards.
Sep 08th, 2013 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie
Sep 08th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Criteria one - you must have language that is Latin originated:
French
Criteria two - geographically located in the Americas:
Guyane is a department of the Republic of France.
Overseas departments that have similar powers to those of the regions of metropolitan France. As integral parts of the French Republic, they are represented in the National Assembly, Senate and Economic and Social Council, elect a Member of the European Parliament (MEP), and use the Euro as their currency.
French Guinana is part of the Repunlic of France and fits your criteria.
Therefore I again ask you: Do you care to redefine Latin American now?
It mustn't be as simplistic as location and language. There must be something more.
To paraphrase you, just because you wish it to be true doesn't make it true.
Nice try but fail!
#77
Sep 08th, 2013 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you trying to confuse him ? He thought he had it off pat but now he will have to change the subject !
Why, in the absence of the RG trolls, do we start to turn on each other?
Sep 08th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anglolatino
Sep 08th, 2013 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I fully understand your confusion.
For a man that thinks that Istanbul is in a region outside Europe AND Asia, the term “Latin American” must be utterly confusing.
Look.
France -> Europe
French Guyana -> French (for now)
Hence French Guyana is NOT a Latin American nation, but a French colony in South America. Surinam isn't Latin American either, but Dutch American.
We also have Afro Americans, both in North and South.
I don't expect you to understand, as usual, but give it a couple of days and I'm sure it will make sense...
@63 St John
Sep 08th, 2013 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers
@80
Sep 08th, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see. So Latin America isn't synonymous with South America. I don't think this will come as a big shock to those of us who take a dim view of Latam aggression, but it will certainly shake some of your compatriots and cultural peers, who seem to believe that the entire hemisphere, the nearest continent, and the surrounding oceans and islands are somehow theirs by right.
But that's another story. Could you explain now how Ukrainians like Timerman and Swiss like Kirchner are allowed into the magic Latin circle?
Hans
Sep 08th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it a shock for you that Mexico (not in South America) is a Latin American country?
Timerman is Argentine, Ukrainian (?) descendant.
Kirchner is Argentine, Swiss descendant.
Anything else you need me to explain for you?
@83 They're not implanted then?
Sep 08th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is that different from the Falklanders?
@52
Sep 08th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And you lot are the embassadors of such atrocity..”
Yes, like helping to kick out Hitler's/Mussolini's fascists from Europe and booting Argentina's fascists out of the Falkland Islands in 1982.
And luckily, Peron took our warning just after WW2 not to invade the FIs otherwise we'd have had the satisfaction of putting a boot up his fascist ass too.
Atrocious ain't it?
Steveu
Sep 08th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklanders are implanted?
I thought they were Brits...
Implanted what?
Pete
That was not you, you are just a guy insulting people in a thread...
@83
Sep 08th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, it's not a surprise to me that Mexico is a Latin American country without being in South America. The clue here is in the word 'South'.
The other thing you can explain is, as Steveu asked, how it is that Swiss and Ukraniain colonists in Argentina are apparently legitimate in that hemisphere so long as they're on the mainland, but seemingly wouldn't be entitled to fundamental human rights if they were on an archipelago three hundred miles offshore.
Hans
Sep 08th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's easy, South America is all south of Panamá, Panamá excluded.
Latin American nations are all those American nations that have Latin as language of origin.
And you become Latin American when you choose to.
There is no paper in the world that can tell you what you feel...
That's not the question I asked. Let's try it another way. Why is is that the inhabitants of those American nations that have Latin as language of origin, have more rights and entitlements in the Southern hemisphere, than those that don't?
Sep 08th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean than the Brits?
Sep 08th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because the Brits have their entitlements back home, no one is intruding their peace. And they, together with the yanquis, do just that, invade peoples peace.
And no, nobody is totally free of guilt, but those two nations are blatant.
That said, I'm glad Britain downvoted the attack on Syria, even if Cameron is doing what he can...
So what you're saying is that people of British descent have no right to a free and independent existence in Latin America, since Latin America belongs exclusively to the inheritors and beneficiaries of the conquistadors? And this is because of some historical guilt for some actions supposedly committed elsewhere on the globe? Is that it?
Sep 08th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I'm saying that Brits are welcome in Latin America, at least where I know.
Sep 08th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only requirement is for them to leave Britain at home.
Kind of what you ask of the muslims and every other immigrant that wishes a place in the British community...
Stevie
Sep 08th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And you become Latin American when you choose to.”
So now there is a THIRD variable. Earlier there were only TWO!
And you still haven't heard of the Middle East.
I'll give you 8.5/10 for gymnastics.
And 1/10 for attempting to land a blow.
However I do feel sorry for you. Any children you have or will have are only border line Latin American. And your grandchildren won't be. Not unless you run 'home' with them.
I mean they will only fulfil one criteria:
They won't be living in the Americas.
They won't have a Latin language as their main language.
So hopefully for you they 'decide' to feel Latin American.
@92
Sep 08th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what exactly does “leave Britain at home” mean? It sounds like it means that people of British descent, in your scheme of things, are not free to live as they choose, free of Latin hegemony in the Southern hemisphere. I understand that, at least there are Malvinistas on here honest enough to admit it. But what I don't get is exactly why the Southern hemisphere belongs to the Latins. Could you explain that one to me?
Anglolatino
Sep 08th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you wish to talk about my children instead of the topic of your own choice...
Being Latin American means you are a human being, it says nothing about your morals or your character.
Look at Chris, even if I disagree with practically everything he says, he is still on his way to become a Latin American, by his own choice.
Because by the time the decision is taken, the language and the culture has already made such an impact that the decision is most often taken for you.
The same with any other nation, group of people or area of choice.
In reality, we are not as different as they wish to present us, it's just that an enemy is needed in order to continue this path of hatred, profitting of wars.
I don't care should my children choose to be Uruguayos, Brits or something else entirely. I do care if they become bad human beings.
And why should they not have Spanish, of the Uruguayan sort, as their main language, you say?
@86
Sep 08th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,“ you are just a guy insulting people in a thread...”
Happy to insult anyone that bullies the Falkland Islanders or Gibraltarians any time Stevie.
I was married to an Argentinian girl and had a son, he decided to get an Argentinian passport for himself, when I asked why, he said that because he had an Argentinian passport it was easier and a lot cheaper when in Argentina. He has dual nationality.
Sep 09th, 2013 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What happened to all the Africans who lived in Argentina. Did they cross the border into Brazil or just die out like the Indians?
Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ibtimes.com/blackout-how-argentina-eliminated-africans-its-history-conscience-1289381
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