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Argentina ‘inflexible’ on Uruguayan pulp mill expansion; Cristina and Mujica could meet in New York
Argentina promised to be ‘inflexible” with the UPM pulp mill on Uruguayan territory, if it tries to increase production as it has requested, thus again opening a new controversy with Uruguay which has pledged to answer the (2011) expansion request in the last week of September. Presidents Cristina Fernandez and Jose Mujica are scheduled to meet in Buenos Aires at the end of the month. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesUruguay keeps giving and inch and Argentina keeps taking a mile!
Sep 10th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We're blood brothers, well done.
Sep 10th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brother my arse, your envious, bitter, twisted and jealous at the thought of those people across the river doing something better than you can. So you will threaten, Intimidate, bribe and if that does not work, blockade!
Sep 11th, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Blood bullies more like.
Mr Timerman is beginning to sound like a Little Argylander. How quaint.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'll never guess, but they are even threatening to go to the Hague over this. The ICJ no less:
Sep 11th, 2013 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1618562-el-gobierno-endurece-su-posicion-contra-la-ex-botnia-y-no-descarta-ir-a-la-haya
Dear uruguay
Sep 11th, 2013 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0promise that you wont expand, sign a treaty or two, then do it anyway and blame someone else.
Argentina will respect this.
NYC meeting? She must have run out of big knickers again..
Sep 11th, 2013 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0And so Tinboy does what he does best. Tell bare-faced lies. It is actually well-known that the “contamination” originates in the effluent from Gualeguaychú. The discharges from the UPM mill are within international norms.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Can you imagine Argentina not making public the reports if they were contrary or incriminating for UPM?; the Argentine arguments are political nonsense”, said Luis Hierro one of Uruguay’s delegates in CARU.
Quite so. But then everything argieland says is nonsense. Or, more accurately, everything argieland says is a lie. But, follow the argie example. Ignore the treaty. Or repudiate it. Argieland does that a lot. Then do what you like. Don't forget to demolish the international bridges. Quarantine any argies trying to enter Uruguay. A week might be about right. Establish control points ON the border. IN the middle of the rivers. With a shoot to kill policy for attempted evasion. Stand up for yourselves. The only connection between argieland, Uruguay and blood is that argies are bloodsuckers!
There are some cheap hit-men in NY.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mujica the morose should contract a 2 for the price of 1 and get rid of TMBOA and Gollum at the same time.
When Vasquez gets in it will all change. He didn't even talk to The Mad Bitch last time he was in power so allowing the increase in production won't be a problem then.
As for being blood brothers the argie government and their “associates” have snake oil running through their veins. They are NOT brothers of the Uruguayo except for Stevie who doesn't live here.
Let's hope that the only flexibility isn't Mujica bending over for his bullying neighbour again.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe has got to go before he completely destroys Uruguay.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Such a horrible weak President.
3 reality check
Sep 11th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do get the feeling that is what it is about rather than environmental concerns. They don't have such inflexible hardcore environmental concerns elsewhere
12. That river's pollution comes from the Soap Mfgs on the Rg side upriver.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0How anyone swims in that filthy river is beyond me.
Maybe that is why there are so many half-wits in Argentina.
What the hell is the parliamentary oppositin doing? They seem by thier silence to be acquiescing to what Mujica is doing.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quacking loudly like ducks or When hate becomes your everyday food.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Cristina might forget and use Tango One to fly to New York.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.atfa/vulture-funds-and-the-g20-cristina-reproaches-obama-for-not-supporting-the-country/
16. She'll probably leave it in Venezuela or Cuba.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any negotiation must be based on not yielding an inch, and on having your position prevail with no concessions.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's how Argentina has negotiated with the world for 70 years, and it has mostly worked.
18. Yeah it has worked so well you've gone from being one of the top 10 richest countries to somewhere in the bottom half.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you've got the chart upside down maybe that is why you think you're doing well.
hahaha
Sometimes you have to sacrifice wealth medium term form territorial integrity and national dignity VERY long term.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina standing up to the world last few years will pay off very long term by not having yielded. Then you can build from there.
20. Don't you think “ the World” would take you more seriously if you were rich and powerful and honored your treaties, agreements and contract?
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being poor and poorly educated will never get you respect either personally or as a nation.
Argentina's economic collapse is imminent. It will take at least a generation to re-coup from the damages the Ks have done to the country. So by my count that is 5 generations being poorer than the last.
It is sad that you are too indoctrinated to understand what has happened to you and the next generation.
So what you are saying is that all that matters is money in your society's system of morals
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that's as I have been stating all along.
@ 21 “collpase is imminent.” You are Lilita Carrió impersonator.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 022. No I didn't say that at all but nice try getting us off track.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Sep 11th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats the problem Argentinas government have no morals. And I hasten to add no money. Explain about all the defaults so far, do you really think that borrowing money from pensioners and not paying them back is not immoral?
@21 “collapse is imminent”?...why?...it has already started !!!!...just check the social, education and economic stats. To be fair is started decades ago led by pleople of the same peronist leading class that CFK belongs to.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plenty of Argentine people are now saying..“Peronism is an Argentine cancer !!! ”
@25 Today the same public servant that is in chief of the Governamental Agency that denies people the right to save money in U$D, that denies people to get foreign currency to travel abroad, that fight against money laundering, or denies companies to take money out of the country gave her daughter a luxury imported car because of her 18 birthday !!! And she, proudly, posted and uploaded pictures of the car with her in Facebook....
@20 Who let Snooty out of its playpen? Googoo Gonzo??
Sep 11th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina really concerned about the environment on that river?
Sep 11th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or is the commotion they are raising just for propaganda purposes?
If the protests they are raising about this Uruguayan project are not really about the environment, what are their real reasons for raising objections to increases in production across the river?
When the plant was built it met Finland's environmental standards! That river is extremely polluted by the RG soap mfgs upriver. It has nothing to do with the Paper plant.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Originally this mess started because Botnia would pay off the Entre Rios Govt so he sent goons to block the bridge and mess up Uruguay trade. He probably wants to be paid again.
yanqui
Sep 11th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not TRUE.
How's many km off the coast is the standard distance to dump waste water in Finland?
How far off the coast is it done so in Uruguay?
To give you a hint, the test were fine in Mörrum Pulp mill, in Sweden...
pgerman
Sep 11th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We sometimes get a glimpse of living inside Argentina, from Simon68.
Do you have family there still?
How do they get by, day to day.
What are the problems for the average Argentinian under this government?
Do you mind telling us?
Thanks.
They are blood brothers - it's just that only Uruguay is being bled by his brother.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Big Nostrils: “... national dignity VERY long term ...” needs a couple of milennia to heal from the present level.
Yes, I have all my family, and friends, living in Argentina and I'm in regular contact with them.
Sep 11th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can give my opinion but it is only mine and it does not have to be representative of the majority of the population.
My family is a typical middle class family of the city of Buenos Aires. In Argentina the gap between the different classes is more important than in the developed world due to the economic and educational inequality.
In my family all have received formal education up to finish high school and there are some professionals.
There are several problems that affect everyday life.
Inflation is the biggest economic problem for the common people because it prevents any plan, from the purchasing of a car to planning a holiday, and its very hard to cover living expenses until the end of the month.
Food prices increase much more than the mentioned 25%. In some middle-class neighborhoods non-basic products may climb to a 40% annually.
Insecurity is something that scares everyone because the rate of crime is very high and in some cases with plenty of violence. Almost everyone I know has ever suffered some kind of robbery or theft.
The city, and the whole country, suffers from the lack of investment in infrastructure, public transport, trains, highways, hospitals, etc., and during the last years the country seemed to be frozen on this topic.
Most fairly educated people started wondering how is it possible that countries like Brazil, Chile and Uruguay would have improved so much in the last 20 years while Argentina is stagnant? How much will the country decline compare to our neighbors?
Regarding the FI the majority are convinced they belong to Argentina but no one believes it's a vital issue that should govern our foreign policy. Besides, all recognize that Argentina has little to offer to the islanders nowadays.
Pgerman
Sep 11th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What can I say?
I am sorry that things really are as bad as that for your family, though intellectually, I suppose it is what we expected.
Between the inflation and the insecurity it must be a very stressful life for them, and it sounds like they are better educated and better off than many of the ordinary Argentinians.
It was good of you to be so honest and forthcoming, given the hostile environment of this forum.
Thanks for the insight.
Troy
Sep 12th, 2013 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are the problems for the average Brit, do you mind telling us?
Thanks...
TT,
Sep 12th, 2013 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0In addition and trying to be fair, the life quality is much better in small cities and towns where the crime rate plunges and the lack of structure is not so crucial due to a reduced population. There, everything is a little bit more friendly.
But, on the other hand in small cities the economic activity is slower so the issue is to get a job to make your living.
If it happens that you have an income, and material things don't lead your life, living in Patagonia, for instance, is not that bad. But if you want to grow professionaly it's imposible to living in small cities due to the lack of chances.
Stevie
Sep 12th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You yourself, are already an expert on what is wrong. You can tell everyone what is wrong with our society and government better than anyone else, I'm sure.
Pgerman and I live and work in the same city.
Interested to hear your assessment...
thanks
@18
Sep 13th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Any negotiation must be based on not yielding an inch, and on having your position prevail with no concessions.”
Like the Argentines rejecting the Peruvian peace plan in 1982 which would have seen 6 months after both sides withdrew with both flags flying while negotiations took place and which Britain would have reluctantly accepted if the Argentine forces had withdrawn?
Fair enough, Argentina refused this plan, not yielding an inch.
If you consider that getting their asses kicked back to the motherland, led to the Argentine' position prevailing', is certainly an interesting view, as it suggests that their view that prevailed was that they got their asses kicked.
So why are they complaining?
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