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Gibraltar ad hoc talks could also include the EC and Andalucia, says Spanish official

Thursday, September 19th 2013 - 21:04 UTC
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The European Commission is likely to be joining Gibraltar, UK, Spain and the regional authorities from Andalucía at separately held, so called, ‘ad hoc’ talks aimed at resolving fishing and environmental disputes that have dominated the summer, according to the Gibraltar Chronicle Gonzalo de Benito Spain’s Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. Read full article

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  • Britworker

    Hmmm, sounds like a lot of wishful thinking going on here from the Spanish side. It is very interesting that they are now happily accepting that sovereignty is off the table as a discussion point. One wonders what the whole situation was about to start with.
    Good luck with the winning hearts and mind thing Spain, that's the thing about trust, once its gone, its gone.

    Sep 19th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Spain being falklands biggest export market (~80%) may complicate things.

    Sep 19th, 2013 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Hmmm,
    Spain big importers of FI molluscs - must be a good price for Spain - how much longer can they afford 'imports', though!

    Sep 20th, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Could Catalonia be invited along. Perhaps the Basques would like to have an input as well.

    Sep 20th, 2013 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1 Wishful thinking indeed. The European Commission may indeed take part. If it can spare the time. Andalucia “might” get called in if something comes up that only Andalucia can talk about. But there is no question of the “norm” being “4+1”. It could be “3+1”, or “3”, or “2+1”. And Gibraltar WILL have a veto. There will be NO sovereignty talks with the UK unless Gibraltar agrees.

    Sep 20th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    It is good to see so many Spanish governmental organisations recognising the government of Gibraltar.

    Sep 20th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Who needs molluscs.
    I wonder do the Spanish know of this.

    Sep 20th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    GIBRALTAR AND UK REJECT SPAIN’S PUSH TO MAKE ‘AD HOC’ TALKS ‘QUADRIPARTITE’

    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=30869
    No 6 said it does not share the view expressed by Sr de Benito regarding the structure for ‘ad hoc’ dialogue

    Foreign Secretary William Hague made it clear to Sr Margallo - in writing and in agreement with the Government of Gibraltar - that his proposal for ‘ad hoc’ talks was not for four parties (the UK, Spain, Gibraltar and the regional authorities in Andalucia) to meet alongside the EU Commission.

    We then disagree with the Spanish dream it seems ..
    .

    Sep 20th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    7

    http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2011/january/tradoc_147273.pdf

    You mollusk eater

    Sep 20th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    And yet, talking with Spain is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You ... get on the couch, string 'em along with some half-lies and evasions, probe some deep dark holes, and then hand over all your money.

    Sep 21st, 2013 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    9

    “EU” in this case likely means Spain, rather than all of the EU member states.
    That would line up with wiki and the other doc I referenced.

    10 - sorry to hear you have to pay for it.

    Sep 21st, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    11 verbose

    This is an article about the EU imports and exports.

    Why would “EU likely mean Spain rather than all the EU member states ”??

    YOU ARE MAKING IT ALL UP.

    How about showing us the links to “wiki and other document I referenced”

    Sep 21st, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Very well good sah. Voila les documents.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Falkland_Islands#Economic_overview
    Column on the right .
    “Economy of the Falkland Islands”
    “External”
    “Main export partners Spain 77.4%” (2004)

    This is the second doc I referred to:
    atlas.media.mit.edu/country/flk/

    As for making it all up - you should know that Im a very truthful person, just because something sounds unbelievable doesn't make it untrue.
    For example the following all sound strange but are all true.
    I've spent a night locked in Kevin Costners basement, I have a street in London named after me (although I was using a fake name at the time), I have an arch nemesis whos a dwarf, Im barred from China - but only in the winter, Apple computers have a bounty out on me, and Ive broken the sound barrier twice (but you must never ask me how).

    Anyway - those facts aside, it appears that club falklands' economy is quite dependent on Spain, so those of us who live there (I visit every Tuesday 4:13am - return 7:32am) may need to be a bit more respectful to the great people of Spain.

    (except Hernandez ' coke-dwarf' Marquez)
    Now - whos for molllusks.

    Sep 21st, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Lol,

    Made you work for it, didn't I ??
    :-)

    I suppose you have just provided links to proof that Spain does not support Argentina's claim to the Fslklands, nor do they support CFK's call for an economic blockade of the islands.

    Ha ha, too funny!

    Pwned ya!!!

    Sep 21st, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Whaddaya think of my proof Troy ?
    Would you like now to take back your accusation that I made it all up?

    Spain ! .... I mean of all the countries.

    Malvinas/Gibraltar has ‘enormous similarities’ - Foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo.

    (on issues of decolonization)
    “In those three points Argentina can always count with the support of Spain and I’m sure Spain will always count with the support from Argentina”, said the Spanish head of diplomacy.

    So... can we expect the usual threats of causing the demise of Spain by a tourist embargo, (silly), on this forum.
    Or will it now be kept to (equally silly) military threats.

    I think it may well be.

    Sep 22nd, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Vestige

    ““In those three points Argentina can always count with the support of Spain and I’m sure Spain will always count with the support from Argentina”, said the Spanish head of diplomacy. ”

    ...and yet, what was your “silly” veiled threat, “ 80% of Falklands exports go to Spain”??

    You have just proven my point, as I said, Spain pays lip service to Argentina regarding the Falklands, and keeps trading with them.

    Spain has a greater appetite for Falkland molluscs than they do for CFK's “shell-game”!

    :-D

    Sep 22nd, 2013 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    All it really means is that Spain can play falklands economy as a pawn if it so wants.

    Well...if it makes you smile Im happy for you.
    It does make you happy doesn't it ?

    Sep 22nd, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    17vestige

    “All it really means is that Spain can play falklands economy as a pawn if it so wants.”

    No, all it means is that if Spain wishes to pay more for molluscs elsewhere, and piss off their own people, Falklands will have to find other customers.

    That should not be too hard, given the world's dwindling fish stocks, and rising global food costs.

    Of course, it is only wishful thinking of Argentina, suggested by you, a La Campora troll.

    What would you really know, anyway? :-)

    Looks like hollow threats from you, and nothing nothing nothing about this from Spain.

    Feeble and a bit silly of you, really.

    Sep 22nd, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    “all it means is that if Spain wishes to pay more for mollusks elsewhere, and piss off their own people, Falklands will have to find other customers”

    lol - a new undiscovered market found and developed overnight, an equal number of people suddenly develop a taste for mollusks and distribution appears in a flash.
    What new markets were you thinking of ?

    I dont think theres any need to pay more for this most essential of resources, plenty of rg boats, plenty of Spanish boats, plenty of south atlantic.

    Rising food costs you say - yes I'd imagine it costs the consumer to move mollusks from s.a to Spain. Something of a delicacy compared to any number of local substitutes.

    I dont wishfully think of anything, I was just happy....and surprised... to find this fact.
    I know this much - without any errors or additional info ( although I can think of 1 possibility) I won't be hearing ...stuff...along the lines of lets kill Spain by not holidaying there (lol). Openly or officially boycott Spain (and heres hoping ya do) and ... well you know.

    What would I know ? - Hey, all I did was find a fact. I'm not making a threat, I'm merely preparing to lol at the (seemingly) new absence of economic threats to Spain, which is about to happen.

    ~80% ... chuckeley chuckeley

    Sep 22nd, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Sure, dream on...

    “Chucklety chucklety... ”

    Sep 23rd, 2013 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    ~ 80%

    Sep 23rd, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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