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Malvinas sovereignty, the main line of action at OAS pledges Ambassador Garré
The new Argentine ambassador before the Organization of American States, OAS, former Defence and Home Security minister Nilda Garré begins her diplomatic job with a main line of action: ‘claiming the Malvinas Islands sovereignty” and the “resumption of negotiations with the UK”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAt the same time strengthening the regional block is displayed in “a global scenario over-determined by the drums of war speared by the trans-national-military-financial complex towards de facto solutions, unilaterally decided and contrary to international ethics and law and underlines that in a globalized world such operational scenarios are never remote”.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please someone translate this into something, anything, please.
Facebook?
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was about to yawn until I started to piss myself laughing.
This amateur hour sponsored by Argentina!
“the resumption of negotiations with the UK” : this sounds awfully like an admission that the UK has indeed attempted to negotiate in the past, and by extension fully met its obligations under 2065.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to my count, this makes for the third admission of untruths in the standard Malvinista narrative, the other two being the admission in London that no civilians were expelled in 1833, and the admission at the UN that there was no official Argentine claim to the islands until 1829.
Next thing you know, they'll be admitting it was Argentina that invaded in 1982.
“the political objectives of Peace, Democracy, Security, Human Rights and Development.”
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So this is what the Kirchner's laid down as their plan in 2003.
Let's take it one by one:
Peace - check - they've definitely managed that by emasculating the Argentinian Armed Forces. Well done Cristina.
Democracy - check - they've definitely managed to undermine that since 2003. Well done Cristina.
Security - check - there isn't any in Argentina since the police in most areas are more corrupt than the criminals. Well done Cristina.
Human Rights - check - yup no human rights for anyone who isn't white and speaks Spanish, especially if they are native Amerindians as it destroys their carefully crafted fairytale of Argentina the non-colonial country. Well done Cristina.
Development - check - there isn't any because Cristina and her cronies stole all of the investment money.
Brilliant.
Also if they want to resume negotiations with the UK they are welcome to. The UK has never refused to sit down with Argentina. The world can see that it is Argentina that refuses to sit down and talk, because they are afraid of the 3000 people who live in the Falklands.
So all in all what they are actually saying is that they are going to desperately bang on about the same old thing - the Falklands - whilst not actually doing anything about it, like taking it to the only body in the world that can force the UK to hand over sovereignty of the Islands - namely the International Court of Justice.
The big question is: Are the Argentine public going to fall for this same old distraction yet again, or have things gone too far and they are going to see it for the smokescreen that it is?
This will be met with our usual dignified silence. Rhetoric means nothing.
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Sep 24th, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 brasherboot
Sep 24th, 2013 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why? Your comment is very extreme and offensive.
They're really not worth the effort anyway. The UK doesn't need to destroy them, Argentina has no problem destroying itself. It does so every 10 years of so. The forthcoming meltdown will be the biggest in their history, and they may never recover. Indeed, Argentina may cease to exist as a country as the rich provinces are getting fed up of paying for the corrupt political classes and work shy lazy La Campora morons, whilst getting nothing in return.
The same thing is happening in Spain, and it won't be long before the Catalonians take the Spanish government to the International Court of Justice to demand the right to hold a referendum on independence.
Time and international law is on the side of the Falkland Islanders and Gibraltarians. They just need to stand back and watch as both Argentina and Spain implodes.
No effort or expense required. Just get the popcorn, pop your feet up, and watch the coming show.
Argentina did once have a reasonable president, Raul Alfonsin. Why do they keep voting in such rascals with their entourages of idiots? It must be depressing to be a reasonable Argentinian, seeing the quality of the political class, worse that being British and reasonable.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 LEPRecon
Sep 24th, 2013 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicely worded. Britain, Falklands and Gibraltar can all play the waiting game, we're good at that. With the ICJ, the UN Charter, historical paperwork and proof of ownership and a military to deal with any illegal acts, we hold all the cards.... bliss.
@1 I was going to try and decipher it, but the second time I read it my nose started to bleed.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Please someone translate this into something, anything, please.”
Could try this ; )
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_solve_jumble_sentences#page1
@1
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It translates as “Bullshit”.
“contrary to international ethics and law”
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The legal opinion referred to by BritBob last night is interesting:
“States....cannot acquire sovereign rights to a Non-Self-Governing Territory through the acquisition of that territory from the Administering Power of the territory against the will of its inhabitants.”
So presumably at some point Argentina will HAVE to change UN law so that they CAN take the FIs against the will of its inhabitants - since they don't want to do anything “contrary to international ethics and law”.
why do they keep on going, I for one will never give up my homeland!
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Panama: Unusual, opportunistic and shameful ~ ...by placing their personal interests, and display the name of Panama in a magazine unusual opportunistic and disgraceful. I refer specifically to the “visit” on the Falkland Islands, a territory belonging to Argentina and is under arbitrary and illegal British occupation, by the deputies of Panama: Dalia Bernal (CD), Yanibel Abrego (CD), Renaul Dominguez (PRD) and the legal adviser to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Assembly, Jorge Ghent (PRD). This “tour” was reported in the edition of the British newspaper, published in the Falklands, “The Pingin News” on Friday September 20, under the title: Falklands' referendum, 'credibility plus' for Islanders say political Panamanian delegation impressed...'
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.argenpress.info/2013/09/panama-insolito-oportunista-y-vergonzoso.html
'CFK has a strong reformist political speech to UN General Assembly ~ ...the major speech of the president, will focus on British militarization of the Falkland Islands as a threat to the entire region...'
http://www.argenpress.inf
'We are ready to respond to the British nuisance'
http://www.argenpress.inf
@15 - Steve-33-uk
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0That 3rd article made me laugh out loud. Especially the bit about Britain conquering Argentina in the 1980's!
It's a pity we didn't conquer them in the 1980's. If we had, the average Argentine would have a better standard of living than they currently enjoy. The native Amerindians would be protected and have guaranteed rights, and we wouldn't have to constantly put up with a bunch of lying, whinging, theiving Argentine politicians bleating on about the Falklands everytime they're caught with their hands in the till.
Ambassador Garré,
Sep 24th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, no, no & no.
No-Argentina does not have any rights in the Falklands.
No-You cannot & willnot “recover” the Falklands(to “recover” something, you had to own it originally & Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands).
No-We willnot “Resume Negotiations”(there is nothing to “negotiate”).
No-We willnot talk about Sovereignty.
Can't be any clearer than that.
Hope this helps.☺
'...He and Gordon were sat together on the flight when I came and reported that Argentina’s president, Cristina Kirchner, had made her usual bellicose noises about the Falkland Islands on the eve of Gordon’s visit.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I told Gordon and Peter cheerily that I thought it was a ready-made splash in The Sun and elsewhere if we issued an ‘over my dead body’ response from Gordon, hoping the Dark Lord would at least rate my news judgement.Without looking at me, he said: ‘Why must we play this silly game? Nothing’s going to happen with the Falklands. She says this stuff for the benefit of her press. You say it for the benefit of ours. What on earth is the point? Why don’t we just grow up and ignore it?’
Gordon, mouthful of biscuit, said: ‘You’re right, Peter’, then to me: ‘Play it down. Say we’ve heard it all before; they just want to create a row, we’re not going to rise to it...’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2430226/Damian-McBride-reveals-spread-poison-Harriet-Harman-bottler-David-Miliband.html
First, the British nation is burdened with Alicia Castro now the OAS is burdened by this person who seems to be as undiplomatic as la Castro.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina used to have professional diplomats - they don't anymore!
If Argentina has such a strong claim on the Maldives, (oops, Mythical Malvinas) why doesn't she seek a legally binding judgement in the UN ICJ in The Hague?
Sep 24th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1. They've tried fascist invasion, the day-late-dollar-short soft touch (after fascist invasion, that just wasn't going to work), Kirschnerite tantrums, and now... Postmodernist Doubkespeak!
Sep 24th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gee... The Argentines must be aswell with hope! All the islanders have on their side is their UN recognized human rights and international law.
Another ridiculous old boot. SA seems full of them...
Sep 24th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In her heart of hearts I'm sure the old bat knows that the “flagship of Argentine foreign policy” is destined to sink miserably like all their other ships.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Alfonsin was kicked out by the Peronists who control the country, that's the reason people vote the Peronists, they think Radicals are even more incompetent than the Peronists.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's great isn't it, when Gordon Brown is a paragon of reasonableness next to a bunch of Argentine politicians and hacks. Nothing more need be said.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Falkland Oil & Gas defiant in the face of losses - Falkland Oil & Gas (FOGL) reported a pre-tax loss of $900,000 (£562,000) in the first six months of the year, but assured investors its cash balance of $161 million was sufficient to undertake a further 3D seismic survey and participate in a multi-well drilling programme in 2014.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In its interim results statement, the oil and gas explorer said it was actively working towards its next drilling campaign in the Diomedea fan complex, adjacent to the Darwin discovery...'
http://www.iii.co.uk/articles/117301/falkland-oil-gas-defiant-face-losses
Isn't a move from Defence and Home Security minister to “ambassador” a demotion? So, crap at the last job. But then dumbo PutridJelly needed a new job. Because he was crap as well. OAS is headquarted in Washington D.C. Not quite as good as New York but I'll bet Hilda, sorry... Nilda, can do much of CFK's shopping for her.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 No worries. See how terrified the argies got when Britain replaced 4 Tornados with 4 Typhoons. Strange how the argies scream about “British militarisation of the South Atlantic” but fail to mention their purchase of 20 Mirages from Spain. Of course, they are worried about the Royal Navy. Much respect to the officers and crew of HMS Clyde. I'm sure that you're looking forward to opening fire “for real”. Then there's the alternate frigates and destroyers that arrive from the UK. Nasty mean things. Have been known to shoot at things. Then there's submarines. Nasty sneaky things that argieland wants Britain to tell them about. Mostly armed with Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missiles. Do you might think those missiles might be targeted on Buenos Aires? Or other “important” places. Then there's the “big boys”. The Trident missiles that can be launched from at least 7,000 miles away. Not much cause to leave the English Channel. But that's not all. There's the 16th Air Assault Brigade. Permanently ready to board RAF Voyager transport/tanker aircraft. To transport troops and their equipment and refuel more Typhoons on the way. There in 13-14 hours from take-off. The 1,500 personnel of the garrison should be able to hold out for that long. And there's always the FIDF. As I said. No worries.
What is the intention of the Argentine govt and the GOVENOR of the province of Tierra del Fuego towards the rightful inhabitants of the Falklands and thier Dependencies? Niether will talk to them or even admit that they exist. So WHAT is their agenda? So far sounds like ethnic cleansing a la Patagonia
Sep 24th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps our trolls could spell out what if,if they ever they got possesion of the FI, what is the destiny of the inhabitants,
Just love all this fasntasy crap about Latin American solidarity! Uruguay openly calls us the Falkland Islands, Chile calls us the Islas Falklands (UK), even a Chilean tour agency refers to a cruise to the Islas Falklands-Inglaterra!
Sep 24th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil calls us Falklands - and all3 of those nations recognise our Govt.
Others will probabaly start to follow over the next 12 months.
Mercopress giving the Brits something to deglute.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any English speaker know what “ deglute ” is?
Sep 24th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Discuss
Deglute: An omnivorous being which can masticate, digest and apparently pass through the ordinary channel
Sep 24th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this like 'call my bluff'..... where I give three possible meanings?
Sep 24th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......To reduce the size of your bottom by exercise and diet
......The act of swallowing
......To unstick fingers or lips stuck by superglue
'UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY - “Cristina's speech will be historic,” said Abal Medina - The chief of staff felt that the speech pronounced by the President before the UN General Assembly will be “historic” ...Ministers also said that “without any doubt” the Falklands be part of the discourse of Cristina against the countries represented at the General Assembly of the United Nations. “the question of colonialism is present permanently on the agenda of the Argentina and, increasingly, the world,” said Abal Medina...'
Sep 24th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201309/33874-el-discurso-de-cristina-sera-historico-aseguro-abal-medina.html
@22 Bonzai you stunted tree. Please give an answer to my post @28
Sep 24th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently CFK has a new partner at the UN,
Sep 24th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RAJOY HEADS TO UN IN FRESH PUSH FOR ‘BRUSSELS’ AND QUADRIPARTITE TALKS ON GIBRALTAR
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=30909
So now there are two crusaders attending the UN with the same agenda,
Just two different places,
They are persistent are they not?
Perhaps if Britain was just a little bit more robust, it might help,
The unmighty UN now has two to avoid ,
We wonder which one will be playing Tonto..lol.
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Watch out for the ear pieces being removed!
Sep 24th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 I believe we can now start the pool as to how much over the time limit her speech will be.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For me, I am just going to recommend THIS proven and effective solution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAnVNXaa5oA
Gonzo is till degluting about the Asian Prosperity Sphere
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please stop. I'm bored. Please stop. I'm bored...”
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is she for hire, as a regular at the UN...lolol
Take care Falklanders. Gonzo has got his rusty old samurai sword out for you. In his idea of ethnic cleansing its women and children first
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 36 Well thank you because that helps my argument in the other article even further… The fact that the governments of Argentina and Spain which are ideologically antagonistic to each other and have disagreed and clashed quite fiercely over many issues up untill very recently and yet are now somewhat joining up, and the most interesting and important point here is that Spain is increasingly adopting the Argentine strategy knowing perfectly well that Argentina is in a dead end legally. That speaks volumes in itself. Therefore there must be something that China, Spain and Argentina see on the long term with there claims…. But never mind me and my realpolitiks
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish
Sep 24th, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Verb
Deglute (infinitive deglutir)
1.Informal second-person singular (tú) affirmative imperative form of deglutir.
2.Formal second-person singular (usted) present indicative form of deglutir.
3.Third-person singular (él, ella, also used with usted) present indicative form of deglutir.
Aparantly it's “to swallow” Wiktionary
Makes sense (if you are studying Spanish) yet another over complication.
Why use ten words in English when 50 words in Spanish won't do the job.
AND folks, I am NOT exaggerating!
No wonder we beat them at sea “furl the mainsail”, que? Boom you are dead!
LOLs
WTF has this guy been smoking?
Sep 24th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Falklands sovereignty arguments appealed to Argentina on colonial enclave - By Gabriel Martin on September 24, 2013 - In the XXI century still persist in the world 17 colonial enclaves, of which 10 have as an occupying power in the UK. Cause Malvinas is the particular a number of elements: London established in the South Atlantic, the most militarized colony planet, with a ratio of more than two thousand armed troops for a population of only about three thousand inhabitants, and the most important intelligence base in the southern hemisphere installed on East Falkland...'
http://www.mundiario.com/articulo/politica/malvinas-argumentos-inapelables-soberania-argentina-enclave-colonial/20130924010758010716.html
Gonzo has gone very quiet. Has he commited hari-kiri and fallen on his own sword?
Sep 24th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Sep 24th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's hardly new that Argentina and Spain join up to help each other, but it's like two drunk men trying to help each other stagger home. The Argentine strategy is a measure of failure. The legal route has failed, the military route has failed, and heaven forbid in either case that they should try the route of democratic persuasion of the populations concerned. Basically all that leaves is telling lies to the UN and anybody else who will pretend to listen.
@46 Anually, does the president of Spain adressing the UN Summit call on the UK to talk over Gibraltar like the Argentine presidents have being doing so since the 1980s??
Sep 24th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Sep 24th, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that I'm aware of, but so what? Check out the whole story of Argentina/Spanish cooperation at the UN in 2008.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaspd406.doc.htm
@46 HansNiesund
Sep 24th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain needs to be careful Morocco are monitoring the Gibraltar situation carefully, the only difference of note is that Gibraltar is on the Decolonization committee's list.
Take a look at the following link, has the Spanish sabre rattling backfired?
'The Next Battlefield: Ceuta and Melilla? - Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaida's No.2, makes a point to regularly mention in his broadcasts the Muslim lands that need to be “liberated.” The list includes the usual suspects for every respectable jihadist: “Palestine,” Kashmir and Chechnya. But interestingly, the list includes two tiny Spanish enclaves located in Morocco: Ceuta and Melilla...'
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/the-next-battlefield-ceuta-and-melilla/
Also click the link for the latest Gibraltar news...
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/the-next-battlefield-ceuta-and-melilla/
@48 The point is if Spain is going to start increasingly behaving like Argentina, that means a lot…Because PP Spain is NOT Kirchnerist Argentina. Spain has FAR more to lose as its economy and strategically attached to the UK.
Sep 24th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the strategy had any chance of success, you might be right. But getting others to support anodyne formulae like “peaceful settlement” that nobody could possibly object to, and then claiming that this amounts to support for your claim, fools only those who wish to be fooled. The 2008 case is deeply significant because the real agenda was revealed, and comprehensively rejected.
@51 But both you and I agree that this is about the conflict rather the sovereignty issue itself… why would anything change in the short term?? It’s about keeping this stuff alive, 100, 200 years..After all if the UK was already willing to give away it’s OT during the cold war, why wouldn’t it do so in the future??
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52
Sep 24th, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“After all if the UK was already willing to give away it’s OT during the cold war, why wouldn’t it do so in the future??”
The Suez crisis of the 50's ended our role as a superpower, Successive British governments asked themselves what the point was in keeping old patches of the empire if they were going to cause nothing but problems?
The country entered into a continuos period of financial ruin after the war and the idea of empire became incompatible with a rapidly changing world. Post war governments just wanted to be rid of the problems, they knew that nothing could save what was left of the empire and that granting independence on demand to these various territories would end it all peacefully.
However the governments became a bit carried away with it all, and when it came to the Falklands it was seen as a minor thing that needed to be dealt with. However these talks were relatively minor in layout and they were usually restricted to small talk as the various opposition ministers and government members came down on it like a brick, especially since the islanders had other plans.
This situation is understandable given the background of the end of the Empire, but the Falkland War reminded Britain of the right thing to do.
@53 If the British actually gave the islands to Peron right before he died, it was the Argentine government that didn’t sign in time as the political turmoil in BA left the deal in the shadows with the following months and years
Sep 24th, 2013 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“”“”“”“”“We no longer have the luxury of indulging in rhetoric and rituals. Concrete action and tangible results are essential. It is time for a new kind of fully inclusive dialogue about decolonization. The risk of movement, while sometimes frightening, is far more preferable to the stagnation of the status quo,”“”“”“”“”“”“””
Sep 24th, 2013 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
STUYJASI
So why didnt Ban Ki Moon be more specific?? Its funny how everyone agrees to modify and modernise the UN and its many bodies(for years now), but the system ever changes
Sep 25th, 2013 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Britain has “a ratio of two thousand armed troops for only three thousand inhabitant...” But all the way up till 1982 they had only “militarized the South Atlantic” with a handful of Royal Marines. Gee, I wonder what changed all that?
Sep 25th, 2013 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0For those that like doing a little research - this is the report submitted by David Jewitt to Buenos Aires in 1821. Please note that he seems to have forgotten to mention his 'claim' of the previous November.
Sep 25th, 2013 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.scribd.com/doc/170781399
“consolidation of the inter-American human rights system and of the Inter-American Human Rights Court.”
Sep 25th, 2013 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0- after Argentina's best girl, Venezuela, pulled out from the Inter-American Court of Human Rights, Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.
Sounds exactly right, coming from the Argentine government.
( UN criticizes as “devastating” Venezuela’s decision to pull out from human rights court.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/07/26/un-criticizes-as-devastating-venezuela-s-decision-to-pull-out-from-human-rights-court )
'She denounced England -
Sep 25th, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0As with his previous speeches at the UN, President Cristina Kirchner made strong claims about the causes of Malvinas and AMIA. In New York, those were two of the main focuses of his speech, he also had a strong focus on the situation in Syria .
“My country is a signatory of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Britain militarizing the South Atlantic and sends nuclear submarines, ”said Cristina. He added: “We're not hypocrites, we are signatories to the treaty.”
Then came a long explanation about human rights, then return to point Falklands claim: “When we talk about the condemnation of dictators, we say that we are part of that court. Mention of human rights because today they said” if That is the world in which people want to live should say and have the cold logic of the mass graves. “
”Argentina can talk of mass graves. In the XXI century, we are discovering mass graves of the dictatorship in 1976. Felt the need to end this double standard, “ he said. He concluded: ”Since 1965, when the whole of the resolution and many before, forcing the United Kingdom and Argentina to sit down and talk. Dialogue, another word I've heard in the other speeches“.
”However, all ignored by the UK and so we continue with this double standard of.'re Like witches, there are, there are,” she said...'
http://tn.com.ar/politica/en-la-onu-cristina-hizo-fuertes-reclamos-por-malvinas-y-amia_412772
@52
Sep 25th, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0> if the UK was already willing to give away it’s OT during the cold war, why wouldn’t it do so in the future??
Because Argentina has made it politically impossible for any British government to do so. And as long as you have governments as dumb as the Kirchner ones, this will continue to be the case.
@43
Sep 25th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, can I say “ I degluted my porridge this morning” would the English understand?
“After all if the UK was already willing to give away it’s OT during the cold war, why wouldn’t it do so in the future??”
Sep 25th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1972 when Northern Ireland was on the brink of civil collapse, one option the UK government considered was withdrawal. Instead however they fought on, not because of pride or face-saving etc, but because the majority of the people in NI wanted them to. Today NI is still part of the UK and last week's opinion poll says
Redrow common go to http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/25/pope-francis-strong-message-on-world-day-of-migrants-and-refugees
Sep 25th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even your own countrymen eventually agree with me on this one...I dont see you there bashing them whith your PC rubbish!
(contd from 63)
Sep 25th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....last week's opinion poll says that only 4% want a united Ireland now, rising to 26% who might want it in 20 years. So what seemed inevitable in 1972 now seems unlikely for the forseeable future. A senior IRA man once warned “Never underestimate the English, they invented cricket”, by which he meant that the British are innately suited to playing very long games.
Re: PC rubbish.
The views you express on Argentina are being widely respected on here, because they are informative and informed. All I ask is that you show the same respect to UK posters expressing views about the UK. For example, 693 people died falling down the stairs in the UK in 2011. In contrast, Muslim extremists have killed only 54 people in the UK in the entire history of the country to my knowledge. The IRA killed ~700 British civilians and ~1000 security force personnel in NI (& GB) and yet today relations are extremely good between the UK and Ireland. Had we simply fired missiles into Dublin in the 1970s and expelled half the population of Liverpool, Manchester and North London then would we have achieved the same outcome?
I think you may have formed the wrong opinion of me. We can both see the potential problems arising from the failure of some immigrants to integrate - what we should carefully reflect on is how to respond to those problems, i.e. when to talk/educate and when to go “tactical” i.e. fight. You know Argentina better than me, and I know the UK better than you. Yes there is a small subset of British Muslims who are alienating themselves from the structures and values of the British mainstream - however the overwhelming majority are fine citizens, in my opinion. Mass deportation, as suggested by you on the Pope Francis thread would be disastrous for the UK, in my personal opinion.
PS. I voted UKIP in the last Euro elections and will probably do so again in 2014 - but they are still nutters who shouldn't be trusted with scissors!!
@64
Sep 25th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's another aspect you're missing, which is that the most recent scare-mongering in the UK is all about East European immigrants, white Christians for the most part, rather than these muslims you seem to be so scared of. Personally I come from a place which always had a large population of Polish origin, and I think they're great.
@65 Sorry old boy but it doesn’t work like that… I have many relatives in Europe, and I’ve met a lot of Europeans, I know what they have said. I’ve talked to them all and why should your opinions be more valuable than theirs? I also met in Auckland some years ago a young British lawyer in his mid 20s that left the UK he said the laws over there are so uneven due to political correctness, that if a white male enters a street fight with someone who is Asian, Black or Brown and is press charges of racial motivated violence (or whatever the specific charges are) 9/10 chances white guy losses. Still it’s the facts that matter and anti EU-immigration parties are rising all over Europe. I’ve become quite interested in Farage’s fascinating political profile and rise after seen him on YT blasting Barosso and Van Rumpoy at the EU parliament so therefore I ended up researching further more into Westminster politics than you may think. I know he has been in the EU parliament for over a decade, that’s not new, what’s of significance is the rise in domestic politics and forcing the other 3 main parties (which you obviously vote for local elections) having to adjust to UKIP’s tune in many issues even immigration. So maybe your views are no longer that representative. And forget the UK, what about Marine Le Pen's NF equivalent now the third biggest party of France?
Sep 25th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You either interpret everything wrong or you simply lie. I said “migrants” which simply means a person or an animal that moves from one place to another. It should be needless to say I was obviously referring to the countries that expeled migrants, meaning to say where they originate from, not where they go. But no. You continue to talk unilaterally over the Muslim issue not inmigration and you continually fail to adress and recognize the problem of a massive oversupply of unskilled labor and multiculturalism.
@68
Sep 25th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course. Silly me. Nobody knows more than an Argie with the Internet.
@52 CD
Sep 25th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say “After all if the UK was already willing to give away it’s OT during the cold war, why wouldn’t it do so in the future??”
The answer is quite simple to this question: The UK cannot give away something that belongs to the people who live there.
The Falkland Islands belong to the Falkland Islanders. End of.
The only legal way Argentina could gain sovereignty of the Islands would be by persuading the Falkland Islanders to voluntarily become a part of Argentina.
Now tell me, in your opinion, what would be the best way of persuading the Falkland Islanders to change sovereignty?
Is it:
a. Illegally invading their homes, threatening their lives, locking them up without food and water and threatening to ethnically cleanse the population. Followed by 30 years of continuous threatening behaviour and attitude towards them, and constantly telling lies on the international stage and denying them their human rights?
or is it:
b. Remove the silly demand that is in your constitution. Make amends to the islanders, by starting off with an apology. Build bridges of trust in areas of mutual cooperation. Show respect for them, their families, their culture and their customs. Show them how being a part of Argentina would be beneficial to their lives.
Tell me, which would be the one more likely to persuade the islanders to switch sovereignty? A or B?
But to be honest the Islanders will eventually choose option C. That is full independence and to be recognised as a nation in their own right. That will not be for some considerable time, but then again the Falkland Islanders are in no rush.
They have time on their side. They have international law on their side. And just as importantly; they have the British on their side.
All your attempts to divert this thread with the whole 'political correctness' bollocks won't change a thing.
@68 Hahaha that’s an astonishingly poor and precarious reply!! If we follow that line of thinking many of your opinions of Argentina would be invalid against any Argentine in MercoPress!!
Sep 25th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69 Listen I’m going to be patient and I will not call you any names, I’m giving you and redrow another chance, but notice you are really testing my patience. FOR ONCE PLEASE READ, THINK AND ANALYZE WHAT IM SAYING instead of accusing me... I already said what Argentina SHOULD do in my opinion and that is to take the case to the ICJ when no longer any veterans are alive “Now regarding the ICJ, I think Argentina should organize itself, check the facts it considers appropriate and organize a judicial strategy and present its case” Check Comment # 73. http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/18/falklands-malvinas-argentina-recalls-its-major-un-diplomatic-success-in-1964-65.....And that is because really dont matter for me at all, I prefer the whole issue solved as son as posible, but it would suck for any veteran that the state comes along and said “Sorry chaps, the ICJ has determined the other guys where right, we fucked up your lives for nothing, he he”
What Argentina wants to do to ultimately gain sovereignty (or not?), whatever strategy it might adopt is a COMPLETALY DIFFERENT matter, and about essentially that I was talking about in this particular thread. Im sorry but you really, really, really have a problem interpreting things and that’s coming from someone who’s English sucks and is not his first language and you are just so focused on accusing people and telling me how so very British those islands are, you don’t think at all.
And Plus I challenged Redrow to re-take the topic on another MP article. He replied here in the first place. Better that he responded me in the Pope thread. So cut the crap with all these deflecting diverting stuff
@ 67
Sep 25th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My opinion is only more “valuable” in a discussion about the UK, than someone from Spain or Italy, because obviously I am from the UK and they aren't. When discussing Spain or Italy then they become the experts.
Re -Immigration: There's a local abattoir I know of that was struggling for years until an influx of Poles rescued them. The Poles got in early, worked extremely hard, caused no trouble and increased the profitability of the business. I hear many similar stories like this on a regular basis. These immigrants are people we didn't have to educate, who work hard and who tend to go home when the work dries up (i.e the perfect worker from the state's perspective). Contrast this with the million or so Brits who couldn't or wouldn't work even at the height of the boom when there were as many job vacancies as people unemployed. The feckless poor will always be attracted by right-wing propaganda because they would much rather be told that they are poor because of the Jews, Blacks, Falkland Islanders, Imperialists, Muslims or whoever - than face the truth of their state dependency. That said, there are some hard-working Brits who have seen their wages decline and quite rightly (in my view) they get top-up benefits from the state.
As for Farage, he is excellent and makes great speeches but I simply could not name another member of UKIP. They are a one man party. My problem with the EU is not immigration but that it has switched its focus from the single-market - which was making us richer, to redistribution of wealth which makes us all poorer. If they get their act together I'm happy to stay in, if not then I don't fear leaving. I would be surprised if the wealth-creating middle classes are as bothered about immigration (which they only see on the telly or when their office gets cleaned) as about taxes and business which directly impacts their lives and aspirations.
@70
Sep 25th, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That might be the case if I was giving the world the benefit of my wisdom on the current domestic situation in Argentina. But since I've never met an Argentine lawyer in Auckland, I do manage to refrain from that.
@70 CD
Sep 25th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's nice to see that you've matured and not stooped to name calling this time.
Regarding going to the ICJ what does it matter whether there are veterans alive or not?
By that standard there still wouldn't be peace after world war 2 because there are still veterans alive on either side.
Also this isn't about Argentina or the UK or the veterans on either side. It is about the ONLY people whose lives would be affected by the transfer of sovereignty, namely the Falkland Islanders.
Argentina refuses to acknowledge their existence even though the people of the Falklands can trace their ancestry on the Islands to before the Republic of Argentina existed.
So the real reason Argentina won't take this to the International Court of Justice is the fact that they know that they would lose.
All Argentina can produce it a failed military penal colony that was on the islands for less than 3 months which was immediately protested by Britain who still claimed sovereignty and subsequently asked to leave which they did without a shot being fired, and a failed illegal military invasion that was on the islands for less than 3 months which was forced out.
Compare this to generations of people living on the Islands in peace and prosperity for over 180 years.
The ICJ would laugh Argentina out of court, and your government knows it.
Besides, if your government had a ruling against it, they would no longer be able to pull the 'Malvina's Myth' out of the bag every time they've fecked up the Argentine economy, or been caught with their hand in the till.
By the way, your English doesn't suck, it's very good. It's your temper you need to control.
Not everyone will always agree with you. Accept that and we can all have enjoyable discussions were we can agree to disagree. The enjoyment comes from putting forwards differing points of view.
Just relax, and don't get take it too seriously. I mean, it's not as if anything any of us say on here will make any difference, is it?
71) I can reply that but please copy-paste it to the Pope thread, because Leprechaun is going to accuse only me of diverting the thread …
Sep 25th, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 072) Ohh yeah. You are so humble and modest and yet this arrogant Argentine brat thinks he knows it all, let alone my country from the internet and talking to some fool in the other side of the world…Its heart breaking.... Uffffff
73) In that case the question is if Argentina’s historical claim can outweigh the British historical claim as well the self determination argument. It doesn’t really matter if it is a lost cause for Argentina. Keep in mind that nowbody considered the argentine conscripts self determination to go to war or not. The islanders themselves have the highest GDP per capita and a higher median life standard than the majority of your countrymen and mine. Even if there is a transfer I don’t think much will change in the short term on the islands themselves…I just don’t see how 40-50 years make that difference.
What I get fed up about is that many of you don’t get the concept of realpolitiks nor understand politics; you don’t think broadly, you don’t seem to know how to follow the discussion logically nor analyze things coldly as such you are just desperately trying to convince me the islands are British…
@74 CabezaDura,
Sep 25th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l wouldn't try to convince you of anything, desperately or otherwise.
l don't care what you or Argentina thinks.
You have the right to think what you want to think.
We live here.
These are our lslands, not yours.
Argentina has no “historical claim”, just fabricated lies.
And we donot want to be colonised by Argentina or anyone else for that matter.
At present we are quite happy with the rôle that the UK plays in our life.
Really, there is not much more to say.
Have a nice day, anyway.
75) 1) That’s odd; I wasn’t talking to you…. Fine. But just explain me if you don’t care what I say or believe nor have anything to contribute then, why you come along to say this to me anyway?? I don’t know if you have been following the thread but it’s not like I cared that much for the islands themselves, I’m just trying to get people here to see things from a different and broader perspective. Something must have touched a nerve perhaps? Have a nice evening, anyway…
Sep 25th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@76 CD
Sep 26th, 2013 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is an open forum so Isolde is entitled to comment on any post, it is, after all, her home that Argentina is trying to steal.
I also find your accusation that, because someone doesn't agree with you, that they 'don't understand realpolitik'.
This is quite an arrogant statement, don't you think? People have put forwards their points of view, using their life experiences and knowledge.
I understand a lot about politics, both domestic and international. I understand how different political systems work, and how the UN works. I have studied international law and how it relates to sovereignty disputes. I have also studied history especially regarding the Falklands. I don't claim to be an expert, I'm just an interested amateur.
Nothing you have said convinces me that you understand international law, the UN or the political systems of other countries at all.
You also say that you are just trying to get people here to see things from a different and broader perspective, yet your own view is quite narrow minded. And when people don't see things from your different and broader perspective, which is their right, you get upset.
What you never do is put forwards any references that would support your position. So what you are actually trying to do is to get people to agree with you.
That's fine. That your right. However, if you truly want to change people's minds you will have to put forwards more than just your own opinion. Some evidence would be helpful, preferably several sources, from different organisations.
For example: axel arg stated that the Falkland Islands are a 'special' colonial situation, so therefore they don't have the right to self-determination. I asked for proof of this statement. He could produce none.
I stated that all people have the right to self-determination. My proof: the UN Charter.
I have advised you to read this Charter. It is quite an eye opener, to be honest. A bit long, but it is available in every language.
Cabeza Dura - I would welcome your comments on the Arana Southern Treaty, the treaty of “Perfect Friendship” ratified in 1850. This treaty clearly shows that the Argentina claim to the Falklands archipelago had disappeared.
Sep 26th, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@77
Sep 26th, 2013 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe we should just let Don Quixote Jr. have his windmills.
@76CD,
Sep 26th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0l always have a nice evening, but thank you for wishing it on me.
You may not have been talking to me, but l AM talking to you.
l might add that this is a public forum & everyone is entitled to their opinion & if you don't want responses, then don't come on here. Simple, no?
Just wanted to correct any perceptions that you might have, that Argentina actually has “rights”in the Falklands.
You don't, of course, or putting it more clearly, no more “rights” than any other foreign power.
To quote you, “l'm just trying to get people here to see things from a different & broader perspective”---may l ask, why?
The whole matter is pretty straight forward.
1) The Falklands belong to the Falklanders.
2) The Falklands DO NOT(& never have) belong to Argentina.
3) We are happy with the rôle that the UK plays in regards to us.
4) lt is none of Argentina's business about any of this.
btw-l'm having a nice morning, thank you.
”75) 1) That’s odd; I wasn’t talking to you“
Sep 26th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0” I’m just trying to get people here to see things from a different and broader perspective.”
If you want a broad perspective, (this is an open forum) you will get everyone commenting if they feel like it, therefore your pompous comments contradict themselves.
“But just explain me if you don’t care what I say or believe nor have anything to contribute then”.
All contributions are welcome, but sometimes we have to agree to differ.
@77, @80, @81 Not at all, I myself said that I didn’t believe in the Argentina claim(but I do back my country none the less), because there is just too many ifs and buts that is just impossible to net in a convincing case up all facts tougher since the Tordesillas treaty half a millennium ago (which really was a Yalta conference equivalent of the time between the 2 main superpowers Portugal and Spain dividing the world amongst themselves) all the way to the present day. That said the first ones to discover officially the islands were the Dutch and the first settlers were the French and neither power are contesting the islands. Let’s be realistic that international law through human history was reduced to the concept of “one that owns the land is the one that is capable of defending it”. It was a fact of life until the rules were established in 1880s in Berlin, but only after WWII they were implemented. But I’m not a lawyer, I don’t know of international laws and I never claimed to do so, most of you have been studying this far longer than I have so there you go. I also said in the other article that I’m not here to convince anyone as to why the islands should be Argentine… And I can’t explain this over and over, to people that haven’t read my threads like isoled.
Sep 26th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I know that feelings run quite deep on either side, therefore I try to see things objectively and I analyze the conflict itself, and that is a completely different thing than talking over the sovereignty issue and the self determination argument. And no Leprechaun in realpolitiks I can give maybe some related examples but sorry I can’t produce any tangible evidence as this is plainly theoretical and abstract talk. We won’t be alive to see whatever happens, but I do believe in realpolitiks over laws, (just ask the modern Tibetans about it). Of course you have a right to believe otherwise and disagree
There are good realpoliticks where nations make peace with each other despite huge ideological differences, but the realpoliticks of simply stealing territory from your weaker neighbour is nothing more than Imperialism. You can't dress it up with clever words, it is simply theft - and the Brits were masters of it so we know what we are talking about. The law of Conquest you allude to did indeed apply in the 19th century and explains why Patagonia is legally part of Argentina - it also explains why Britain owns the FIs even if it had never been there or had a claim there prior to 1833 (though of course it had). However, conquest is no longer a legally acceptable means of obtaining territory and so since the founding of the UN that option has gone.
Sep 26th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another example of realpoliticks is where country B tells country A that it supports its good friend's sovereignty claim over a third country, lets call it country FI. Meanwhile country B does business with country FI behind country A's back. This is realpoliticks because it means B and FI make money while A is satisfied that B (says it) agrees with it.
Im sorry Redrow, but I hope no one ever told you the world was perfect... What may also happen is a return to the “umbrella” policy between A and B
Sep 26th, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No the world is not perfect and we've fought more wars than probably any other nation on earth but what we have learnt is that you need certain international principles and laws that other nations can trust. So for example plenty of countries invest and trade in the UK knowing that our laws will protect them from our government seizing their assets or criminal activity impacting their business. Whereas countries where the rule-of-law is perceived to be weak tend to lose inward investment. So delighting in the idea of realpolitick over laws is counter-productive in the long run.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am also becoming increasingly confused as to what your central thesis is here. You think Argentina should go to the ICJ but you prefer realpolitick over law. Is what you are saying that Argentina should try to get the islands legally but then if found to be illegal they should get them illegally by grouping together with other countries to either re-invade or threat the UK militarily?
You want to teach us about the “conflict” so fire away, I'm listening.
@77 LEPRecon,
Sep 27th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@81 Pete Bog,
& others that l may have missed.
Thank you for your support, much appreciated.
lt looks like CabezaDura is similar to axel arg.
He says that he doesn't want our lslands, but really does want them.
Oh well, he/she can want as much as he/she likes(after all, who are we to shatter someone's dreams, no matter how unrealistic or ridiculous!), but of course, wanting is not possessing.
Tough cheese, old man
@86 Isolde you may say whatever you may like about me, but one thing I am is a BRUTAL HONEST. If I would believe you are illegally on those islands, wanted the islands or I was certain of the Argentine case (which I truly wish I was, because it would be so much easier for me) then rest assured I would say so.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 I should redirect you to comment #70.... I didn’t say that I “preferred” realpolitiks over law I said I BELIEVE in realpolitiks over law. Yes I would rather have Argentina & UK should go to the ICJ, but whatever the Palacio de San Martin has in mind is a completely different matter to what I personally believe should be done.
What I said to you earlier is that in a future, as the status quo lingers on say 80-100 years from now, I believe a far more multicultural and identity-less Britain will have increasingly a very hard time explaining to itself why is it still backing a small vestige of a long ago empire, where live a couple of old white rich people on it while Argentina manages to muster the political support it does today and remains a stone in the shoe for British business and political ties with most of South America. I think politicians and diplomats eventually will find their way round things. But this is my opinion and my futurologist prediction, it doesn’t mean to say I’m 100% right…
@87 - CD
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Careful, your racism is showing through AGAIN.
It is very easy for the UK to justify why we back the Falkland Islanders. It is because we respect the rule of law and the principle of self-determination. Nothing is going to change that.
You say you believe in realpolitiks over law. Well in Argentina politics may be more important than the rule of law, but in the UK it is the other way around.
The UK will continue to support the Falklanders rights, even after they decide the time is right to declare independence.
Argentina doesn't respect the rule of law, human rights or the right to self-determination. Maybe one day you will, but I certainly won't be holding my breath.
You say that Argentina musters political support. I disagree. Argentina has not received any ACTUAL solid REAL support over this issue from anyone. Not even your neighbours. They may mouth platitudes to Argentina's face, but continue to do business with both the UK and the Falkland Islands behind Argentina's back.
The MOST Argentina has ever got a none South American country to say is that they support a peaceful solution to the issue. Argentina immediately takes this as a solid show of support for their claim, whereas is actually means what it says: that Argentina and Britain should find a peaceful solution.
Britain is more than willing to sit down and talk, yet it is Argentina that continues to run away. They may lie and tell the Argentine public that it is the UK that won't talk, but the rest of the world can see what is happening. They're not stupid.
I doubt the status quo will continue. Argentina is more likely to cease to exist as a country before it ever has the chance of gaining the Falklands against the will of the people who live there. And for all your talk of realpolitik this is the TRUE REALITY of the matter.
Argentina might delude itself, but it doesn't fools others.
@88What’s racist about that…?? It’s what I believe is going to happen, I already said I’m not certain about it however but the same way you believe Argentina is going to seize to exist, which I doubt because Argentina has like it or not a identity to fall back on in times of deep crisis or at least I hope it will retain.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the argentine government has got the RN having to go and get supplies even further as to when some years ago they just simply refueled and stock up in Uruguay and Brazil on their way south. I think that is quite substantial. There is neither trade nor flights from Uruguay to the islands that I know about. I think you are greatly exaggerating the ties the FIG and economy has with the rest of South America save for Chile. It really depends on how things may develop from now on
I think I can more or less rest my case unless there is some other NEW point that hasn’t been talked over…
@87
Sep 27th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you haven't been reading BritBob's recent posts. Britain cannot legally “give” the FIs away even if we wanted to. So even if Argentina were our new best friends and it was the islanders who were being annoying that wouldn't change anything. We have a legal responsibility / duty, call it what you will, to defend their rights. As it happens they aren't being annoying at all and so your premise is even more unlikely.
90) I don’t know…… I admit that I know nothing about UK laws but and rules are meant to be broken in every country of the world and have been doing so at all times throughout history.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CD
Sep 27th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your racist attitude comes out every time you post about 'multiculturism'.
From your posts you assume that ONLY white people in the UK share the same values on freedom, and therefore you assume that should the demographics in the UK move enough towards non-white, then these people wouldn't defend the people of the Falklands and Gibraltar.
This is where you racist attitude shines through in spades. Britain is already a multicultural society. The people who emigrate here do so because they want to be British, and share our values. They don't have to be white Christians to do so.
You appear, in your posts, to believe that non-white people are bad. This is because you are afraid of them.
As for law. It's obvious that the attitudes in Argentina is that breaking the law is no big thing. In the UK it is considered a big thing.
We abide by the rule of law. We abide by the rule of international law. We honour our treaties. We honour or obligations. We do this despite the fact that it may be difficult or expensive.
It says something about who we are as a people. Your comment also shoes what Argentinians are as a people, if we take your word for it.
Politics are meant to be for the benefit of society as a whole. It's not meant to be some kind of hustle or get rich quick scheme.
The REALITY is that every year that passes by strengthens the claims of the Falkland Islanders and weakens Argentina's already ridiculously weak claims.
In fact the REALITY is that your government has lied so much and so often on the International stage, that the world now switches off to your continuous self-pitying whining.
The REALITY is that the world is beginning to listen to the Falkland Islanders, even your so-called LATAM buddies.
Face it, the Malvina's Myth only ever serves one purpose in Argentina. That is to distract the population whilst your government robs you blind and mismanages the country into another meltdown.
Argentina will never improve until you accept the truth.
I think you are increasingly in denial here, not the Argentines…I’m afraid you are not really accepting reality. You are wrong, the vast majority of people that are immigrants go to other places because they want live better or earn money, I never heard of people going to somewhere because they want to share or melt into the customs and values of country “X”. In massive uncontrolled numbers they eventually transform cities and neighborhoods into little conclaves of their country of origin. It’s just money and PC laws that bind your society together. But you don’t have any longer an identity or you are now very close at least.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, sure, laws reflect the common values of the people or at least should do so in a democracy, but what you don’t seem to understand is that as population, demographics and national interests change eventually laws change. I’m sorry but that has been like that through history, I really don’t believe in all your floury talk.
Now If I was that young British unemployed lawyer I once met, I would ask you what right did YOUR GENERATION have to give your country and identity away, if you so cherish your history and peoples fighting off the Danes, the Spaniards, the French, and the Germans through a millennium. I’m sorry that is beyond me and if that question and way of thinking makes me a racist so be it. Despite all are flaws I’m sure that when I’m old I can still have a country I can identify with and call it home.
@93
Sep 27th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think you are increasingly in denial here, not the Argentines”
The Argentines are constantly in denial that self determination does not apply to the Falkland Islands, when in 2008 a motion by Spain and Argentina to outlaw self determination where there was a territorial dispute, failed at the UN.
The Argentines cannot provide a conclusive statement by the UN that self determination does not apply to the Falkland Islands.
The Argentines are also in denial that they have caused the islanders to state their case increasingly, on the international stage, to deny Argentina's lies, the Argentines stick their heads in the sands dismissing a democratic referendum in the FIs as irrelevant, non-valid as they are in denial.
However there are increasing numbers of countries that can see they've been taken for mugs by the Argentines, and so you will find that as the islanders state their case, so the Argentine's case will diminish.
94) Please read carefully my previous comments on these threads…I rest my case
Sep 27th, 2013 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And after nearly 70 years of “mass uncontrolled immigration” Britain is still 92% white, which is hardly overrun. And of the 8% who are not white only a small minority hold views that are demonstrably non- or anti-British. For example, when UK muslims are polled about their views of islamic extremism, generally between 75 & 90% express the same views that I would. So for your prediction of a collapse in British values to occur, the extremists have a very, long way to go.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 096) You must have had Gullermo Moreno doing that survey ;-)
Sep 27th, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one! Yes INDEC are the LA equivalent of Iraq's “Comical Ali”.
No the surveys are mostly done by the well-known opinion poll companies commissioned by the big newspapers.
98) LOL those numbers and racial statistics are over a decade old…
Sep 28th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides I just don’t understand how they make these surveys; they call up people or randomly cross people in the street and ask them “sorry Sr, We’ve got a couple of questions
1) Are you a Muslim??
2) Do you agree with blowing themselves up in the name of jihad?
3) Do you want Sharia law implemented in the UK?
Do you really think that if they do so they will say so??
Your own intelligence and government sources say otherwise (secretly)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7506274/Secret-government-unit-finds-muslims-can-sympathise-with-terrorists.html
Get REAL
@99
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed numbers can be quite hard, which is some find it less threatening to their world view to just make stuff up. Did you actually read that article?
100) No I actually browsed it because the title and the subtitle say all I need to prove my previous point, does anything in the article contradict that wich I have missed out??… Its ridiculous and stupid that you ask me to prove to you 10.000 km away what occurs outside your own door and in your won cities when everybody in the world knows of your jihadists UK born and bred (went to collage too) going to Syria the middle east or the case of this brainwashed loony in Somalia and Kenia… And what about this fundamentalist cleric Abu Qatada that has been preaching hatred and suporting terrorism for years and your government can’t get rid of him due to PC laws, have you finally managed to get rid of him or is he still preaching amongst you??
Sep 28th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@101 CD
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had actually bothered to read the article, and not just the headline (which is there to grab people's attention), you wouldn't have posted that link to support your 'argument'.
As I have said before I live in Birmingham, which has one of the largest muslim communities in Britain. They are my neighbours, and my work colleagues. Many of them work to look after wounded British soldiers.
Your views are racist and based on what you personally believe and want to be true, and also what you glean from headlines WITHOUT actually reading the article.
I mean, God forbid, someone who actually lives and works with muslims would have a better idea about muslims in Britain.
You are obviously afraid of muslims and non-whites, hence you 'belief' that they're somehow going to be the downfall of civilisation. I can understand this. You do, after all, live in a mostly white country which, in the past, had a deliberate 'whitening' policy to 'get rid' of all those unsavoury non-whites that 'threatened' you by their mere existence.
Indeed, Argentina continues with this policy today, murdering the native Amerindians who still have the audacity to live in your 'white' only paradise.
As to the thread of the story though, it looks like your government is still wasting YOUR time and money flogging this dead horse. That is the 'realpolitik' of this situation, and no amount of crying, whining, begging and crawling on your knees to any other country in the world is going to change that. Only the ICJ can change that, but you are all too frightened to go there, as you know your 'fantasy' would be abolished before your eyes.
Can't believe I looked this up, but just to make you happy, 4.8% of people in England & Wales are Muslim, 1.4% in Scotland and
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0102)The headlines are not to grab people’s attention they reflect the main point of the article and they happen to be true. What else do you want me to say? I could have simply lied and said I indeed read the full article. But I I’m after all a BRUTAL HONEST, something you are not. And your work mates attend to British soldiers because they are already paid to do so. I’m sorry it’s as simple as that
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t understand what you are trying to prove or accuse me of…. Why don’t you reply on anything I wrote on comment #93, instead to avoid and then deflect the conversation with fussy stupid things??
And my views are based not on white supremacy, fear, racism, or whatever PC rubbishes you through at me, they are based on facts.
“Indeed, Argentina continues with this policy today, murdering the native Amerindians who still have the audacity to live in your 'white' only paradise”……… Bollocks. Yes there are definitely cases of tribes been abused and mistreated by provincial and corrupt feudal, local municipal officials, and big landlords trying to steal their land and forests to clear up and plant in soy bean but this occurs in the remote extremes of the country but it’s pretty much common that poor folk are mistreated in those areas, even poor German settlers in Misiones go through similar abuse. But that is a completely different thing to carry out a systematic genocidal cleansing of the Indians by the whole of the argentine state.
104 CabezaDura
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not read the article that's for sure!
Unsurprisingly the “Che” effect raised it's ugly head:
“Others did not mention religion at all, saying instead that they believed terrorists were motivated by fewer job opportunities or living in relative poverty – ignoring the fact that many have been middle class students.”
Don't you just love these middle class stupid students. “Know it all” at 20 and what to do about it, well I never. It was ever thus.
No, you don't convince me, especially now you are comparing argie standards with those of truthful and honest people: a very rare combination in The Dark Country I am sure.
104)Yes, exactly Redrow and in 2001 they only Muslims were 2,7% in the whole of the UK so that means to say they have increased 77% over the last decade… It’s the tendencies that matter and that is what I was referring to you earlier. That is not even considering the other cultures and Immigrants….
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of you people are just in denial, and are desperately trying to make me look like a racist, you just don’t want to accept the bigger picture of what I’m trying to say.
105)Of what argie standards??? What are you talking about?? STOP BLAMING AND RELATING ARGENTINA ON EVERETHING on this world. You must be RETARDED. Look fool, whatever you may say Argentina is NOT exporting jihadists to the rest of the world, the UK is.
Born and bred in the UK so stop looking for stupid excuses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygmDcgMdnaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygmDcgMdnaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygmDcgMdnaI
More Muslims throughout Europe are drown to jihadism by the Nasheeds and clerics on the web
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygmDcgMdnaI
@104 CD
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina DID carry out a systematic genocidal campaign against the natives in the area you now call Argentina. You called it the war of the desert, and you celebrate that genocide on you 100 peso note.
You are deluded if you believe that headlines of news articles aren't there to grab people's attention, so they will read the article - although obviously in your case it didn't work and you have embarrassed yourself.
And yes I am paid to do a job, the people I work with are also paid to do a job. However, these people put 100% effort into looking after our wounded soldiers, often supporting them through terrible times, and going above and beyond the call of duty. They work past the hours they are supposed to do, without pay, to ensure that these brave men and women are given the best treatment.
It is a matter of pride and an honour to care for these military personnel. The communities in Birmingham also give a lot in donations to help these soldiers, even from the muslim community.
You find it difficult to understand that British people are British regardless of the colour of their skin or their religion. They are proud of their country and support it. Yes there is a tiny minority of muslims who like to cause trouble, but then there is a tiny minority of christians who like to cause trouble too.
Your obvious fear of anyone who is 'different' to you blinds you. You need to get over it. Different isn't bad. Different can bring benefits; like new ideas, new customs, new invention, new literature; it refreshes society and prevents it from stagnating.
Argentina is currently stagnating. You don't like anything new or different. You wallow in misery, a misery of your own making, and then you blame 'foreigners' for all your woes.
That is the real reason you are afraid. You have been taught to be afraid you whole life, but until you get past that and see people for what they truly are: people, just like you.
107)Listen I know what I presume, a substantial amount of European and British History, allow me that... But I assure you, but you know fuck all of Argentine history… The Indians, (Ranquel and Pampa) tribes would systematically raid the cerntral plains where christians lived in what would be called “malones”. They attacked the settler’s villages and farm houses, pillage, robbing mainly cattle and criolla women to be raped… Argentina first had a defensive strategy. My family that arrived in Argentina bought farm land that was a former border with the Indian Territory at the turn of the century. Alsina, war minister of President Avellaneda had previously tried to build a long ditch with forts and watchtowers to defend the Argentine heartlands. The border line was called the “Zanja de Alsina”, sort of if you like and equivalent in purpose to your Hadrian’s Wall but was never completed and resulted ineffective against the Indian attacks
Sep 28th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1242474-las-perdidas-cicatrices-de-la-zanja-de-alsina
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1242474-las-perdidas-cicatrices-de-la-zanja-de-alsina
Therefore Roca had a far more aggresive policy but after all he had no option but to deal with the rut of the problem for once and for all. But it’s not what is going on today. And no sorry even Custer has a memorial...
And yes, we now have Politically correct morons trying to erase our history and replace Roca’s bill with Paturuzu’s face on it or Evita. Btw there is also streets named in honor of Roca’s Cavalry officers Ignacio Fotheringham, guess where he came from…
The rest is flowery talk as usual….get REAL
@ 106 CabezaDura
Sep 28th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines such as Simon68 others on here and my next door neighbours who come for the season and four others I know personally are great people, no doubt about that.
The argies, some of whom I have met in Uruguay and the scum who infest MP, work for La Camping-it-up and are therefore Peronistas outnumber reasonable people when it comes to voting time, because their vote can be bought for a few arse-wipe pesos and a choripan. But you know that.
La Think, the Lunatic of Chew Butt is typical: a downright liar, obfuscator, plagiariser, attempting to put all the worlds ills on the UK and to a lesser extent the USA. Argies seem determined to destroy what is left of the economy, led by TMBOA and the rest of her cretins in the so called government. The evidence, from your own people, is that nobody pays taxes, or gives a reasonable effort at working and will never give up Peronism because it has mutated from downright fascism into nationalism.
You can bleat and plead as much as you like but you do not fool many on here, least of all me. You might think you appear “different” but in reality you are not. You are still an argie.
Ohh for goodness sakes!! What a sad muppet!! I could not care less about your bitchy little fights on MercoPress. Yes OF COURSE IM ARGENTINE and proud of it too, and I don’t care what you or others may think of me. Do you get it??
Sep 28th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@110
Sep 28th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be as Argentine as you like, but in the light of your recent arguments perhaps you might also like to explain why you seem to think that Brirish Muslims are more likely to make common cause with the catholic descendants of the conquistadors than they are with the Protestant descendants of Henry VIII?
@111 It's clear you have misunderstood me from the very beginning do you think I want the whole of Europe, the land of my ancestors been overrun?? This goes way beyond the islands. Listen do you think I hate your country, do you still even believe I want the UK to be transformed into the united caliphates of Britain so that Argentina can somehow benefit in getting some shitty islands, when I’m no longer even alive?? I’m profoundly respectful of British culture and history for it has given humanity many positive contributions and achievements. I cant believe in anyone that has a true passion for history not feeling at least some slight admiration for Britain. It was the birth place of Magnacarta, Parlamentary democracy and countless contributions in laws, science, culture, sports, politics, music, literature, etc…But I’m sorry this is something your generation has chosen when perhaps you didn’t have a right, you have given it all away what was taken a millennium to create. Indeed something new will come up I don’t know if better or worse, but it will be different.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I even felt sorry for some young British, Dutch and German guys I met backpacking and travelling the world that at least had a political conciseness (the rest were junkies), they were neither BNP nor Nazis, they were just kids that feel frustrated that their identity has been taken away from them and suffer from PC laws and double standards in every aspects of life. And you should look down in shame to them.
I would prefer giving 100 Malvinas away to the UK or whoever rather to see my identity as a nation and country taken away. But it’s something that already seems irreversible in many parts of Europe and yes it’s going to have profound consequences in everything
(112) CabezaDura
Sep 29th, 2013 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say (to the English Turnips in here, at MercoPress)...:
“ Listen do you ”Think“ I hate your country..., do you still even believe I want the UK to be transformed into the united caliphates of Britain so that Argentina can somehow benefit in getting some shitty islands, when I’m no longer even alive??”
I say...:
Well.........., thats precisely what the English turnips in here at MercoPress “Think”........
“Siege mentality” and all that, you know......
Saludos
El Think.
@113 Think
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still posting foolish stuff and insulting people who don't agree with you.
It's quite childish and blows any kind of argument you may have out of the water. When in doubt, divert thread and insult.
It doesn't work, but we do all have a good laugh at the desperation of your posts.
So, in practical terms what does some Argentine Ambassador to the OAS stating that sovereignty over the Falklands will be the OAS's main push actually mean?
NOTHING. Not a sausage. Nada.
More hot air from a government that is on it's last legs, in a feeble desperate attempt to distract easily led people (such as yourself Think) from the fact that the Argentine economy is about to implode and Argentina will default - again.
Of course you won't be affected by this, you not actually being brave enough to live under the madness of Kirchnerism, but for the ordinary Argentine citizen it will be a catastrophe.
Last time Argentina defaulted on the 'foreigners' duped into believing that Argentina would honour the treaties and contracts it signed. Argentina still owes this money, AND it is accruing interest. This time Argentina will be defaulting on the people of Argentina.
So not only will Argentina still owe it's original debt, but it will also owe it's own people - no pensions, no savings, no nothing.
Added to this is the fact that the Argentine government has broken international laws and agreements, broken it's own domestic laws AND broken it's own Constitution, means that there won't be any foreign investment in Argentina for years to come.
The minute the Argentine government crumbles, and Argentina gets swept into anarchy, and foreign national industry's still there, will have their investments out of the country before you can say 'Death to Cristina'.
Yup, you must be very glad that you don't live in Argentina, Think.
But that is one of the problems here, Think.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't(Think)rationally.
The basis of your whole philosophy about the Falklands is based on Argentine lies.
Get real, Think.
Search out the truth(it won't bite you, you know!).
Saludos,
C'est Moi.
(115) Isolde.....
Sep 29th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm real and I'm right, “Ma Belle Noiseuse” from them windblown Islands…..
I know it.... you know it....
Have a nice Sunday...
El Think.
@116 Think
Sep 29th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have never been right. You are a hypocrite that won't even answer direct questions as you know they would undermine your 'so-called' argument.
I know it...you know it...in fact EVERYONE knows it.
But at least you don't have to live in squalour and poverty in the pseudo-dictatorship that is Argentina.
If you really thought Argentina was the land of milk and honey you would live there, wouldn't you? But no, you prefer to leech off the European communities that you slag off every day.
Hypocrite.
@113
Sep 29th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you must be the most famous and controversial “Think”
You're reputation precedes you..... But we ain’t fit in this small town the two of us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wd99TRgYgA
.....get up to date with the lingo....118
Sep 29th, 2013 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both Of Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAzESJ62irI
@119 Good god!!!!!!..... What is IT a boy or a girl???
Sep 29th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 012o
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IT is called Glam Rock.....a phase of POP..ular Culture in the 70's
....or some might refer to it as derailing or deflecting...
......Now, what was the subject of the thread again?....;-))))
@121 Well my friend, I already made my point… I left the falklandist Argentina bashers hanging with a chip over their shoulder facing the “ugly” truth, I just killed the “bad” guy in town and now I’m leaving
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a “good” day…. And yes, I’m awsome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAULUqmwN04
(118) to (122) CabezaDura & A_Voice
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice with some “Young Guns” fun in here, at stuffy MercoPress :-)))
But to (118) CabezaDura I must say that I resent a bit being portrayed as John Wayne.....
I much prefer our vernacular male lead....:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXi1k0W-6bo
@112 CD
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That you appreciate the contributions the UK has made to the world is a good start, but the point I have been trying to make repeatedly, is that these contributions have often involved input from immigrants. Two major British scientific discoveries for example have been the discovery of the atomic nucleus (and proton), leading to the birth of the nuclear age, and, more recently the discovery of graphene, the ultrathin wonder-material. However the former was achieved by a New Zealander and a Dane, while the latter was achieved by two Russians. In fact Argentina's last Nobel prize in Science was for a guy who worked here. We currently have the world's greatest 5,000 and 10,000m runner, he is a Muslim of Somali descent. Plus the English Premier League is the greatest national club competition on earth and was won two years ago by Kun Aguero's goal for Man City which is owned by a guy from UAE. Yes we have done plenty on our own as well but we have been greatly enriched by taking the best from other countries. When you finally realise that this isn't just tree-hugging PC liberalism but an actual model that allows us to keep ahead in a globalised world then you might see might see why Britain isn't necessarily sleep-walking to oblivion.
@123 You never know Think......, you know what the legends say about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, apart from bandits and outlaws they were notorious “pata de lanas”…They say when they left for Bolivia some discrete women in Chubut and Patagonia where “expecting” them to return.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@124Another good point…. Yeah your football is full of foreign players, lovely to watch, that’s true, but that’s precisely why your national teams sucks so much as your own players will never get a decent chance in the high leagues
@ 123 The Lunatic from Chew Butt
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you like plagiarism, this will suit you perfectly.
I bet you are the spitting image of the old git in the beard and have almost as much intellect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ8GvEtJzc0
Ha, ha, ha.
(125) CabezaDura
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
You never know Think......, you know what the legends say about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.........
I say....:
Legend is true...... I won't mention names but there are a couple of half blood yankee gringos and gringas in my area..... Pueblo chico, infierno grande.....
In my specific case....., the only North-American blood running through my veins is that of my Vinland ancestors.....
In my case though, I'm 105% certain that no contamination of A
, apart from bandits and outlaws they were notorious “pata de lanas”…They say when they left for Bolivia some discrete women in Chubut and Patagonia where “expecting” them to return.
@125
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That they suck I agree with, that the very best young players don't get opportunities to play in the PL I don't agree with. Every week, 220 footballers start games in the PL, only 11 of them need to be English to make a team, 20-25 makes a squad and yet far more Englishmen than that start most weeks. The current England U21 squad is very poor indeed and U21s wouldn't necessarily be regular first team players in any league so my personal view is that football development is inferior in England to Germany and Spain. Anyway, as I'm not English this is not my concern, I can cheer when England win and smirk when they lose, not that us supporters of the other 3 home nations have much to laugh about either!
By the way, Think and A-Voice are the same people. Think has these sock-puppets who pop up every now and again to support his points. Another one of his is DoveoverDover. I've no idea why he does it as it just makes himself look ridiculous but anyway, thought I'd warn you. If you re-read his 123 post with that in mind you might wonder too.
@128 Are you sure that they are three and not four of them??
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk
I kind of pretty much rested my case on the whole thing… Be careful RED, do you remember what happened the last time you pissed me off and what also happened to your mates that came to save you … ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk
(129) CabezaDura
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
128
Sep 29th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure Red.....but you might want to read my post @64 on the thread below...then tell me what a neat, though improbable trick it was....off the cuff as it was....
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/28/malvinas-gibraltar-garcia-margallo-admits-coincidences-but-no-joint-actions
You really should develop a sense of humour...it's only debate...ain't gonna change nuffin!
(131) A_Voice
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You want to learn a neat trick....?:
1) You find the MercoPress comment you want to link to....
2) You right-click on the ”(#)” simbol on the right of the author's name...
3) You left- click on “Copy link address”...
4) You paste the link on your new comment...
5) Voilà...:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/28/malvinas-gibraltar-garcia-margallo-admits-coincidences-but-no-joint-actions#comment277885
Things they are a-Changin'..... ;-)
@131
Sep 30th, 2013 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Improbable?
If I wanted to have a sock-puppet posting a minute after me then I could use my iPad for my post and my Laptop for the sock-puppet. You don't need to keep logging-in you simply stay logged in. I guess the other advantage of a sock-puppet is that it means your first persona can then reply again as otherwise you have to wait for someone else to reply. BTW, We clocked your A-Voice character at the very first post.
I do have a sense of humour, I'm British. But posting to yourself (without irony) and then trying to deny it is delusional rather than funny.
@116 Think,
Sep 30th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are not right, Think.
You are a hate-blinded leftie.
You would make a pact with the devil himself, just to oppose us(thats if there were a devil!).
You don't really want these lslands(& wouldn't live here if you had them), you just don't want us to have them.
lsn't that so, Herr Think?
l'd be lying if l said that l feel sorry for you & your never-to-be-realised dreams.
Nyet. Not even contempt.
132 Think
Sep 30th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0...thank you for the tip Mr Think, that is much easier..;-)
133
As for you Lady in Red you are now being silly....yes improbable!!
look again the two posts were at exactly the same time...05.03
....Improbable
.......“We clocked your A-Voice character at the very first post.”
who is WE...do you have multiple personalities....puppets..or is there some sort of Club or group of people working together?
My name is Legion.....
...A laptop and an Ipad indeed...... what an idiot
ever heard of New Tabs?
A Browser can open more than one version of the same web site......Doh!!
Stop chasing your own tail.....
.......Around the rugged rock the ragged Redrow ran...
Aw look!
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think and his sock-puppet are supporting each other.
Bless.
136) LEP, What happened your visit to the barbers shop was cut in half??
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGUeB6826XE
137
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get back on the other thread and answer my questions....if you can....
....what can I say it was a handy tip that I was obviously unaware of otherwise I would have previously used it.....should I not thank him?
I provided Isolde with a handy tip for not losing her posts and she thanked me as is common courtesy ....even if we do have tiffs..
Like I'm thanking you for providing me with a pushover.....easy meat!
Thank you!
138) Yeah… the other two by the door are ChrisR and HansNiesund… And I don’t want to overdo it, but I just could not resist….Let RED GO!!........ Classic
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS… What question or threads are you talking about??
139
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry about that I meant to put 136 not 137....LEProsy keeps avoiding questions here...
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/28/malvinas-gibraltar-garcia-margallo-admits-coincidences-but-no-joint-actions#comment277978
@135 Think
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I didn't know you could log-on to MP twice on the same PC. The reason I didn't know that is that I only have one log-in. Since you are the expert on multiple log-ins I will defer to you on this one.
141....I Think you mean me...
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try using your brain Bozo...if you can open MP twice on the same PC and if you have two email addresses to sign in....then simple logic would infer that you would be able to have two MP's open at the same time...with two ID's
Yes there is a difference between IQ and a good memory...
....are we learning yet?
(137) CabezaDura
Sep 30th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enough of those childish Spaghetti Western links, lad…..
Get SERIOUS.... Get REAL.....
The Anglos haven't got a chance!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjDIiTz7gsU
;-)
(134) lsolde
I love you too.......
Think - you have some cheek questioning my intelligence when you don't know the difference between 10 and 100. No I haven't forgotten your “senior moment” with the currency conversion (“Turnip” - wasn't that your word for Ayayay?). Plus you are the one talking to yourself.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0143) It’s impossible to be a real man and not like cowboy movies. Full Stop.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@145
Sep 30th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's probably true, but you look a right twat posing in front of the bedroom mirror with your Mum's poncho on.
LOL you actually gave me an idea.... you better start trying out your veil Harem girl
Sep 30th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10322872/Non-Muslim-teachers-forced-to-wear-veil-at-faith-school.html
147 CabezaDura
Sep 30th, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take my 3rd generation Colt 1873 Model SAA Peacemaker in 0.45 Colt and EVEN YOU could best both of those pussies, assuminig of course you would know how to use it.
148) LOL ….That’s the typical kind of thing to say in order to say you have one…
Sep 30th, 2013 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I much do you reckon you can get for it?? Not that if I where you I would sell it though
@147
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently also in Catholic schools they favour Catholicism.
@143 Think,
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0And l should jolly well hope so, too.
How could you not?
149 CabezaDura
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Used for two years by the original owner, lead bullets only, no marks on metal or wood, in original Colt carton in 1990 I paid USD $2,250 for it.
They just NEVER came up for sale in the UK. My friend, the original owner, brought it back from the USA, gorgeous piece of metal and with the ammunition tuned could easily score a possible at 20 yds.
Well I dind expect that they would still be manufacturing them!
Oct 01st, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0153 CabezaDura
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, they still make the third generation, as mine. Better materials than the 1873 first generation but the finish is still in lovely case hardened and deep blue with the hard rubber grips.
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