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Malvinas/Gibraltar: Garcia Margallo admits coincidences, but “no joint actions”
Spain will not be involved in ‘joint actions’ with Argentina regarding sovereignty claims over Gibraltar and Malvinas, said on Friday Spanish Foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo, arguing there had been ‘misinterpretations’ in the Argentine version of the bilateral ministerial meeting and which was first denied by the Moncla Palace. Read full article
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Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!
Still waiting for proof of this oft repeated statement.
If Alistair Burt's statement was enough to destablise the Spanish-Argentinian relationship then it demonstrates the power Britain flexes.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians: Take note of the damage your government is doing to your country.
CFK
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/50zWqBsq7Hk
I think both governments have made complete fools of themselves, nothing new for Argentina. Spain have obviously been warned by the UK that there was no coming coming back if they teamed up with Argentina, we could hardly continue to with a NATO partnership with Spain when they are supporting the enemy.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would love to know exactly what the UK said to them that resulted in this desperate statement.
TWIMC
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Margallo's “Political” talk....:
“But that does not - I M P L Y - “there is coincidence in the means that each of the governments adopt to reaffirm their sovereignty claim, or that any of the two automatically supports the measures adopted by the other”
Think's interpretation of Margallo's ”Political” talk....:
But that does not - E X C L U D E - “there is coincidence in the means that each of the governments adopt to reaffirm their sovereignty claim, or that any of the two automatically supports the measures adopted by the other”
..............Yet another nail in the English Colonial Geopolitic coffin in the South-Atlantic and the Mediterranean.....
@5
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would say it looks more like the nails went into the respective governments of Spain and Argentinas coffins, as they have both looked pretty stupid on the public stage.
I have to admire the government of Morocco, they have obviously been talking to the British and have kept a dignified silence while Spain has had the mordacity to ramble on about territorial integrity.
In the end, Spain clearly did not want to be judged by the company they keep.
One of those old propaganda ploys where it is published that there is no link to something whilst implying that there may be.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina embarrassed as Spain DENIES pact to force UK to leave Falklands and Gibraltar- A DIPLOMATIC row is brewing between Spain and Argentina over the Falklands after the south Americans announced the two countries would unite against Britain over the disputed islands ...Argentine officials also misspelt the name of Spain's Foreign Minister on an official press release, calling him Jose Maria Margallo instead of Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo...'
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/432634/Argentina-embarrassed-as-Spain-DENIES-pact-to-force-UK-to-leave-Falklands-and-Gibraltar
'Spanish school stages mock massacre of Britons in Gibraltar. An ugly testament to Spain’s decline'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/432634/Argentina-embarrassed-as-Spain-DENIES-pact-to-force-UK-to-leave-Falklands-and-Gibraltar
TWIMC....
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Margallo vs Sir Humphrey :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEo8sjnU8Jo
@8. Yes let's make them a “European City of Culture”
Sep 28th, 2013 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina seeks mental support on the Falklands, in this case with Spain.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is extra clear that Gilbratar and the Falklands belongs to Britain , so I do not see the point of Argentina just keep “talking” while waste money and time and at the same time trying to gain local political party expansion and not realizing about the international embarrassed to the point that several countries that were closed to Argentina one time , but now those countries just want to get away from Argentina instead of being officially against the Britons .
The only alternative felt to Argentina is to start another 1982 action, which is not capable to do it, because the USA will be at side of Britain and perhaps some of the Unasur countries might be for Agentina.
So, please stop “talking” about this old topic that will lead to nowhere instead seek solutions to the financail sector, because inflation, unemloyment, and honoring old debt to bond holders are near and Argentina must insist with the IMF and WB to additional funds to cover its financial obligations. Besides, it should focus about new measures and better control of the 35 Billions USD in reserve , money that goes in reduction every day. Bill Gates has 43 Billion USD more money that Argentina does. Wow.
Kirk Nelson,
New York, USA
“Burt dropped a phrase with the strongest message: you always judge friends by their companies”. The reference to Argentina was evident.”
Sep 28th, 2013 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0That pretty well sums up this latest Argentine fiasco.
Argentina is drawing a long bow believing that Spain unequivocally supports Argentina's position on the Falklands. Spain abandoned its settlement on East Falkland in 1811 leaving the island res nullius, used by sealers and whalers but under no visible authority. Spain never reasserted her rights to the East Falklands. That these rights passed to Argentina is a matter of assertion by Argentina rather than direct transfer by Spain. (If there was a formal transfer, show us the document.) Given the struggle between Britain and Spain for control of the Falklands and the war of independence between Spain and the Viceroyalty of La Plata, it is quite likely that Spain holds sympathy for Britain’s position.
11 Kirk Nelson (#)
Sep 28th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 28th, 2013 - 08:49 am
With Obama at the helm the USA won't help the UK. We know this.
Apart from the fact the we didn't know who was using chemical weapons against who in Syria and the fact that we don't think that killing Syrians will help save Syrian lives or indeed Syria itself; this is one of the reasons we refused to back the USA in a new war against the Assad regime. Put simply, under Obama, the USA wouldn't lift a finger to help the UK. He fecking hates us.
But don't worry. We've got it covered.
Yes, the politicians probably got confused, being two countries separated by the same language and culture.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Collaborations like these are best not publicised; had Timerman not blown the gaffe (a much more appropriate expression than the ridiculous 'blow the gaff'), it might have been very effective in bringing pressure to bear on the three countries.
@14
Sep 28th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pressure to bear in order that the Falklands and Gibraltar can be ethnically cleansed and made Spanish against their will?
Why would the UK feel pressured into that, by two unpopular and finite governments?
(14) GeoffWard2
Sep 28th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Misunderstand me right.............. No “Gaffe” here.
The purpose, intention & end of Timerman's so called “misinterpretation” has been served...
...Yet another nail in the English Colonial Geopolitical coffin in the South-Atlantic and the Mediterranean.....
” “prevails the principle of territorial integrity of states over the self determination of the its inhabitants”,
Sep 28th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arse about face as normal :-)
@16
Sep 28th, 2013 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably right, insofar as the purpose, intention & end of Timerman's misinterpretation was to further mislead the people of Argentina in the belief that the rest of the world is squarely behind the national delusion.
Elsewhere, it's just another example of Timerman's slapstick diplomacy, and would count as further blow to Agentina's credibility, if Argentina had any.
#16 Gollum put his foot in it yet again. I can just imagine KFC,s ire. The only coffin in the South Atlantic is the one you are all trapped in alongside raging inflation, street crime, corruption (police and politicians), crumbling infrastructure and armed forces. Surrounded by propaganda posters everywhere. But perhaps unlike us you haven't been back there recently, preferring to remain safe and secure by leaching off us here in Britain?
Sep 28th, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who on earth wants to be ruled by a tinpot banana republic or the worlds premier source of tomatoes? Get real...
Why does Argentina always need to assert that another country supports them? It is as if they recognise that as a country alone they are impotent and 'any other country' is the viagra they need to make them elevated enough to be noticed.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Elaine B 20. Good comment. They think that because they get their cause listed on the agenda's of various diplomatic groupings that this, somehow, will deliver up the result that they themselves have been unable to. Its like outsourcing your soverenighty issue to other countries.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Downunder - theres the Commonwealth, there's the Francophones and then there is the Latinos. Its all about language based racist or religious based bigotry.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Simples...
@5 “An attempt sponsored by Spain and Argentina to qualify the right to self-determination in cases where there was a territorial dispute was rejected by the UN General Assembly, which re-iterated the right to self-determination was a universal right. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaspd406.doc.htm
Sep 28th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The entire document has to be read. Initially, the draft resolution qualified the principle of self-determination by including the phrase ”and where there is no dispute over sovereignty”. However, after “intense” debate, the phrase was struck out. The right to self-determination cannot be qualified. Nor can it be “conditioned” on any historical territorial claims.
@12 There are five methods of acquiring sovereignty. Accretion, cession, conquest, effective occupation and prescription. Accretion is the physical expansion of territory by geographical processes. Cession involves one state ceding territory to another. Cession requires a treaty. Conquest. Conquest is no longer accepted as a legitimate method. Effective occupation. Effective control of a newly-discovered territory. Prescription relates to the actual exercise of sovereignty. Not one of these methods could be applied to Spain. When Spain arrived, the Falkland Islands were no longer newly-discovered territory. Nor could France cede the Islands for the same reason. It did all it could. It sold its settlement. The Islands were already British by virtue of discovery in 1690 (effective occupation and prescription). Therefore Spain could not cede the Islands to argieland. Therefore argieland has no “claim”. Even if a treaty were “found”, it would be null and void.
@16 You mean tinman hit his thumb again!!!
@19 The Falkland Islands, Gibraltar and the UK have nothing to fear from either argieland or spain. At every turn, both are shown to be impotent and incompetent. How's argieland getting on with its economic blockade and sanctions? And who's most affected at the Gibraltar border? Spaniards.
Hey Think - can you detail the practical efects of all these nails - we should be well and truly nailed to the floor by now but we are all running about laughing at the stupid Arg Govt.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The simple explanation: The implanted Timerman doesn't understand Spanish.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 24) Islander1
Sep 28th, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Islander1- the practical effects of all those nails will be that you eventually will be well and truly nailed to the floor as the Ascencion Islanders are today..........
Ever heard of Ascencion Island?
But don't worry..... you Kelpers may all keep running about laughing at the stupid Argies......
Funny that El Thicko isn't posting daily on the rapidly worth ARG peso.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Estimates are that the “blue” U$ will 18-22 after the elections and “official” at 8/1.
That should make inflation 100% yoy, is that hyper bythe Rg definition? I am not sure
hahahaha
Defend Gibraltar
Sep 28th, 2013 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.gibbook.com/member/alfredballester/video/135
Hey Think! Nice example of Spanish brainwashing here: .http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436528/Spanish-school-cause-outrage-staging-invasion-Gibraltar-showing-British-people-shot-machine-guns.html
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me, do they have similar methods of brainwashing children in RGland? Is that how you gained your twisted logic on the status of the Falkland Islands? Does it make your chest swell with pride when you read about things like this?
Is this how you intend to brainwash young Falkland Islanders when you colonise the Islands?
Are you sure Tinman is not an ex concentration camp guard?
@ 27 yankeeboy
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am in Argentina right now. Yesterday I exchanged US$, got 9.05 pesos for 1 USD, so an official rate of 8/1 probably is too low.
30. With the rapidly falling BCRA reserves you may be correct. They can only support the peso with U$ and they don't have any to waste now.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It may get really bad really fast
Buy U$ or if you can't get those buy propane tanks. Pretty soon they won't be able to offer subsidies on those single containers and they'll be worth a lot in peso terms anyway. It's not like they go bad.
#29 Hmmm... looks like those kids are using an Argentinian tank!
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Gibraltar awarded Champions League qualifying spot -
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There may be two Manchester Uniteds in the Champions League next season after the latest boost for football in Gibraltar...'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24299819
'MISS GIBRALTAR POISED FOR MISS WORLD TOP SIX'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24299819
'Spain's double standards on Gibraltar'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24299819
@29 Faz
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They probably intend to expel the Islands population by force, rather than try and indoctrinate them, after all they are only “squatters”, of no more consequence than the “rocks on the beach”.
The justification for what they will do has already been built into the thinking of most Argies.
The extent to which this Argy government is prepared to go to demonise the Islanders, is the most telling and frankly nastiest part of this whole business.
If they had any kind of a legitimate argument, none of that would be necessary.
@29. And wasn't it great to see them use a Clash song decrying the Spanish Civil War to accompany their fascist bloodlust. What disgusting people their parents and teachers must be. No doubt they find such indoctrinated thugs handy once they're adults. Gotta those other uppity f
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Ah, how selective you are. So many “comments” you don't respond to because you can't think up a “smartass” answer. Must take you hours researching drivel to post. Problem is that you're outclassed. Most Brits can outclass an argie. Our “problem” is that we prefer to face our enemies face to face. Argies prefer a sneaky, cowardly approach. Shall we remind you of the last time you had the guts to face us? Oops, sorry, hasn't been one. In 1820, you sent a pirate to an undefended island. In 1829, you thought you'd “proclaim” a German as “Commander” without legitimate authority. In 1832, you sent a band of cut-throats and murderers. In 1982, you sent an incredible military force, 66,000 troops to “confront” 80 Royal Marines. But for the orders of the Governor, you were outnumbered. Don't talk about “nails”, you facile twerp. The only “coffin” adjacent to the South Atlantic is the one waiting for “latam”. Argieland is dying, so is “no talent” Uruguay, Venezuela is a little paranoid “birdie”, Bolivia and Ecuador have dopy incompetents. By the way, we see that the EU used to give “aid” to incompetent argieland. But we've put a stop to that. And loans. And, before long, there will be another court judgement against argieland in the United States. Do you have enough money for your coffin lining? Perhaps we'll just tip you in the ocean. Much like getting rid of bin Laden. And you lot are worth as little as he was. Your time will come. The time of your execution. Defiance will get you no farther than it did your pals at Nuremburg.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29. ... No doubt they'll find such indoctrinated thugs handy against those other uppity folk who dare disagree with them
Sep 28th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GFace, once again the Spaniards put their foot firmly in it. I wonder what William Hague will make of that! The sheer stupidity of it has to be seen to be believed!
Sep 28th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The stained bedsheet tank says it all. What one would expect from a Club Med nation. Reminds me of the RG “roll over” navy.. :-)
All a sign of congenital stupidity. No response from Think, I 'Think' he is cringeing with embarrassment.
I like this comment from a poster to the Daily Mail article on the college play massacre by the Spanish.....
Sep 28th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This is outrageous.
They should have made it realistic. The tank breaking down 4 times on route then the Spanish soldiers jumping out in rags. Before being repelled by 8 pensioners with walking sticks.”
I've have always said, the problem with Britain and the EU ...concerning friendly relations....is, it's best not to be too friendly because sooner or later you will have to kill them, as you have for the last thousand years....
....or did I mean almost every country in the world, one of the two....
@39
Sep 28th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So............your point is?
I “Think” that Mr. A_Voice's point at (39) is...:
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Englishmen...
Who knows thee well must quit thee with disgust...
Degraded mass of animated dust...
Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat...
Byron
Thy tongue hypocrisy, thy heart deceit
40
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....outrage that other countries are aggressive to Britain......
In fact it's easier for me to list.....
The countries never invaded by the British:
Andorra...Belarus...Bolivia...Burundi...Central African Republic...Chad
Congo, Republic of Guatemala...Ivory Coast...Kyrgyzstan...Liechtenstein....Luxembourg...Mali...
Marshall Islands...Monaco...Mongolia...Paraguay...Sao Tome and Principe...Sweden...Tajikistan...Uzbekistan...Vatican City
#40 - its point is deflection, and denigrating anything British as per usual. Put it on ignore.....
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 LOL. That's funny and has an element of truth that could be applied pretty much anywhere in the world including South America.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again So........? Ive read that Telegraph article before, I'am in no way ashamed.
You don't become the greatest civilising force in history without a conquest or two, without The British and Roman Empires the world would be a thousand years behind.
45
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it Mr Think can easily understand my point and you can't....read his post again a little more eloquent than mine...
...Are you a Celt or something??
Turnip (45) is a perfect example.....
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Englishmen...
Who knows thee well must quit thee with disgust...
Degraded mass of animated dust...
Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat...
Thy tongue hypocrisy, thy heart deceit...
Byron..... (a ”Connoisseur of all English)
#46 its simply because you have both been brainwashed just like those Spanish kids... pathetic isn't it?
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well its often said that Fools understand each other well. I understood what you were talking about sir but I find myself struggling to understand what it has to do with the article in question. Think is obviously referring to “Treacherous Albion” as the old French term goes. Its easy to play Britain as a bad guy from a French perspective when Britain has constantly kicked France in the Arse for the bulk of its existence.
Am I a Celt? Bit of a vague term as it describes a cultural people ranging from Poland to Britain and from Ireland to Spain and even into modern day Italy.
Scots-Irish by family but born in the Unconquered County, now living in NI, Why do you ask?
More often than not Think's posts make my skin crawl.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone else have that feeling?
And poor A_voice is heading south to go north so he'll never get it.
@42 A_Voice
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You missed quite a few out, not least Argentina has never been invaded by the British.
@46 A_Voice
Are you a racist or something?
@Stink
http://www.mapuche-nation.org/english/news.htm
Don’t you have some natives to go and oppress.
@46 maybe because your the same troll
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 049
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you sounded like a Celt....
50
I would imagine classic literature would make your skin crawl....being unable to understand it..
I'm surprised you are back after that sound thrashing I gave you on the other thread..
I began to feel sorry for you towards the end and didn't pursue you..
...but you never learn..
what makes my skin crawl is you live in Dover you prick
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what does a Celt sound like then?
Lost the argument have we?
@54
What??? This idiot draws breath from my home county? Oh christ.
@55 don't you remember doveoverdover, a-voice and stink all the same person mate
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 051
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know...am I?
54
Tell me about how you were in the Falklands campaign again.....Liar!
55
...like you
What argument??
@56
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good point, sometimes his false identities become almost believable if he tries hard enough.
@57 you call me a liar good one, speaks the man who needs to lie under three different names
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argument regarding wether it was bad that Britain has been the most militarily expansive nation. You worked with your other identity to advertise the whole treacherous Albion business, you then proceeded to bugger off.
60
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are confused...shouldn't listen to Walter Mitty's like 59...
I didn't say it was bad, good or indifferent I merely suggested it was hypercritical to be outraged that other countries could be seen as aggressors considering Britain's history......
What argument?....did I say something untrue?
@61
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What argument?....did I say something untrue?”
Yeah you did; “outraged that other countries could be seen as aggressors considering Britain's history”
Just because Britain has done it in the past does not mean that gives Spain a right to do so now. Anyway the fact that Spanish is one of the most widely used languages behind English speaks for itself, (Pardon the Pun) regarding Spanish aggression in the past, especially in the New World.
@61 Walter mitty? read 59 verbatim
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 062
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read your last post again and see how weak and pathetic it was...
.....and tell me, look at the times of your post @40 04.55
....and Mr Thinks...@41 05.03
...and my reply...@42 05.03
Are you telling me I opened two versions of MercoPress and two different identities, wrote two very different replies and posted them at both the same time just to answer you????.....All in 8 minutes.....
My am I good or what?....Got to take a bow on that one....;-))))
63
Yes Walter...I have a very good memory....and you don't ...if you want to go down this road .....Walter
@64
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Err....when did I say anything about two identities in my post? Are we changing the subject again sir? Weak and pathetic? In what way? No debate?
@64 I have an excellent memory shouldn't you be off to the legion by now or are you watching strictly come dancing first?
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Err....when did I say anything about two identities in my post?”
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 060 Conor J (#)
Sep 28th, 2013 - 05:57 pm
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@57
The argument regarding wether it was bad that Britain has been the most militarily expansive nation. ➜You worked with your other identity to advertise the whole treacherous Albion business, you then proceeded to bugger off.⬅
Can't you even remember what you write??
@67
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? Abuse for the word Bugger? Right OK.
My apologies regarding the whole identity thing, I thought you were referring to my post at @62 exclusively.
Still my point still stands, why haven't you replied specifically to what I said in post @62??
Think, the English are not simplistic or unaware of their origins.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Daniel Defoe, penning in the context of 1701, produced this parody against xenophobia - The True-Born Englishman, noting that the English were one of the most heterogeneous nations on earth:
'Thus from a mixture of all kinds began,
That het'rogeneous thing, an Englishman:
In eager rapes, and furious lust begot
Betwixt a painted Britain and a Scot.
Whose gend'ring off-spring quickly learn'd to bow,
And yoke their heifers to the Roman plough:
From whence a mongrel half-bred race there came,
With neither name, nor nation, speech nor fame.
In whose hot veins new mixtures quickly ran,
Infus'd betwixt a Saxon and a Dane
While their rank daughters, to their parents just,
Receiv'd all nations with promiscuous lust.
This nauseous brood directly did contain
The well-extracted blood of Englishmen.'
Hybrid vigour, as we used to call it ;-)
(51) Pugol-H
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting you linking me to: http://www.mapuche-nation.org/
Actually, I have cooperated with them in the past and an acquaintance of mine has even a Malvinas/ Mapuche plan you Anglo/Mapuche friends surely will approve:
“We propose that, without affecting the traditional rights of the Mapuche in the territories currently controlled by Chile and Argentina, the territory of the Falklands or Malvinas should be ceded by the United Kingdom to a federation of Mapuche communities as a very limited way to compensate for the damage and harm inflicted by the Chilean-Argentinean invasion of the previous century and the European imperialist aggressions of the 16th to 18th centuries.
The Mapuche have inhabited territories very similar to those of the Malvinas for hundreds of generations, with similar climates and ecosystems, and they would be capable of exploiting them harmoniously, maintaining their ancestral spiritual relation with nature, which took care of them and developed over time.
The Mapuche are great experts on the sea, on nutritious algae, fish and shellfish, seals and marine birds, they sew potatoes and maize, they are excellent fishers, and above everything else, respectful participants in an atavistic natural environment which they revere in all its incommensurable spiritual depth.
The Malvinas or Falklands and the population should be re-baptised in Mapudungun, and coexistence with the current inhabitants of English origin would still be possible. In their three or four generations on the islands the Kelpers have learnt a lot, and together with the Mapuche they could put together a country that is both new and old at the same time, trilingual, aboriginal and European, to create a new home of peace and recognition for a people stripped of their freedom and calling for the justice which they have been denied for so long”
http://www.mapuche-nation.org/
(69) GeoffWard2
Always a pleasure... them classics ;-)
September 27th 2013 - 07:30 UTC
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas/Falklands joint claims: Spain denies Timerman, calls UK a “friend
Malvinas/Gibraltar: Garcia Margallo admits coincidences, but “no joint actions”
Spain will not be involved in ‘joint actions’ with Argentina regarding
[What do we know?]
But a little tiny bird says certain military contracts / and future military cooperation was in serious doubt
Diplomatic relations may have been at risk
Possible more coal on the anti European fire.
Still
Spain makes its own decisions,
And thus carries its own consequences.??
And Argentina is still sitting on a rowing boat, dreaming of things ,
Whilst bailing its self out from sinking..lol.
.
Interesting article ref Spain and Gib
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100238466/spains-double-standards-on-gibraltar/
68
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just copied the whole post including the bit that said report abuse, I should have deleted it.......
You made a statement @62.....there wasn't a question....
“Just because Britain has done it in the past does not mean that gives Spain a right to do so now.”
I don't see why it doesn't.....
Americans don't have a problem invading or being an aggressor so why not Spain.
Would be hypocrisy if they called other countries aggressors though...
66
Thanks for reminding me......now I have missed the hairy biker!...Opps I shouldn't have said that...damn!
Think.... trying to rid Rgland of the Fuegans are we?.... It won't work, and what is your comment on the Spaniards education system? And the Argentinian tank?
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73 didn't miss much he was just dad dancing
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ok ok,
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for arguments sake,
What would happen / what would the European map / Mediterranean
group of Balearic islands look like [ownership]
If the Treaty of Utrecht
Was at Spains insistence TORN UP,
And we all went back to before????
Would this in any way at all help Spain.
??
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Think- sorry was at work all day today- yes know Ascension quite well, no such real person as an Asc Islander really - well a few are born there but most are either Saints(from St Helena) or from UK or elsewhere.
Sep 28th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Asc Govt are now moving ahead with plans to develop tourism and game fishing to get a private (non-Govt) economy going.
@70 Think
Sep 28th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you only tell the part of the story that is convenient to your argument.
You missed out this bit.
“When the Argentinean Republic demands that they be granted the Islands known as the Falklands or Malvinas, based on a right of proximity, or the Chilean State claims the Antarctic based on a similar pretension, they should remember that the lands which are the subject of their claims were internationally recognised Mapuche lands little more than a century ago.
The Mapuche, although they are currently stripped of their land and their sovereignty, have more right to those southern territories than the creole states that claim them, sheltered by their position of political and military force.”
Doesn’t sound to me like this person regards themselves as being very Argentinian. That should be worrying for you.
It would be much better for the British to have a free Patagonian State as neighbours in the S. Atlantic, than Argentina.
Personally speaking, I see no reason on earth why the British should have to give native S. Americans British territory in the S. Atlantic, in compensation for the past and present transgressions of Criollo Conquistadors in S. America.
Better to support them in their liberation struggle, let’s face it from our bases in the S. Atlantic, your navy/military (or indeed the combined navies/militaries of S. America) would not be able to stop us from supplying them “the tools they need to finish the job”.
Free Patagonia!!!
I see no reason on earth why the British should have to give native S. Americans British territory in the S. Atlantic
Sep 29th, 2013 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, yes there is one reason: natives of south america live free in south america, the natives are argentines with the same rights as criollos, because you should remeber that after 300 years of colonialism, the mix surpassed the number of spaniards colonizators, greatily so much more that became a people different of them, that fought for independence. And second there isnt british territory in SAm, so simple as that.
(77) Islander1
Sep 29th, 2013 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”Yes know Ascension quite well, no such real person as an Ascension Islander really - well a few are born there but most are either Saints(from St Helena) or from UK or elsewhere.”
I say…:
”Yes, know Malvinas quite well. No such real person as an Falkland Islander really - well a few are born there but most are either English(from Britain) or from Chile or from St Helena or elsewhere.”
(78) Pugol-H
You say…:
It would be much better for the British to have a free Patagonian State as neighbours in the S. Atlantic, than Argentina.
Personally speaking, I see no reason on earth why the British should have to give native S. Americans British territory in the S. Atlantic, in compensation for the past and present transgressions of Criollo Conquistadors in S. America.
Better to support them in their liberation struggle, let’s face it from our bases in the S. Atlantic, your navy/military (or indeed the combined navies/militaries of S. America) would not be able to stop us from supplying them “the tools they need to finish the job”.
Free Patagonia!!!
I say…:
In short Mr. Pugol-H, another English success story as Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya….............................
Englishman…
Who knows thee well must quit thee with disgust...
Degraded mass of animated dust...
Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat...
Thy tongue hypocrisy, thy heart deceit...
Think- Wrong- Plenty of Falkland Islanders born and died here for up to 8 generations even 9 . WE are free to do so- Asc island as such a small place does not have the finances to look after old and infirm - so on retirement you leave and return to your home of birth etc wherever that may be.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0We Falkland Islanders certainly do exist as a people - have done for all those generations - and will do for many many generations to come.
Wow Argentina must have even more egg on its face than I first thought.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't take much notice of this usual non-event, however it must have rattled Argentina for Think to divert this thread so much.
And all the while the British government quietly sit back while the juveniles running Spain and Argentina's foreign policies kick own-goals again and again and again.
(81) Islander1
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong - A few second class British citizens, without the right of abode in the UK, scornfully called “Kelpers” by your English absentee Lords were born, squatted and died in usurped Malvinas for up to 8 generations...
Things have greatly improved for the 9’Th generation of foreign born British squatters though...
The UK has, in OUR opinion, no right to squat on Malvinas, not even by hiding under the skirts of a few foreign born UK citizens...
That's why we are interfering in the finances and politics of the English colonies in the South Atlantic so you, nice English individual human beings, will leave and return to your spiritual home, the UK...... or wherever it may be.
The ~900 Ascension Islanders are a shining example...
83 ThinksVoiceOver
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK has, in OUR opinion, no right to squat on Malvinas, not even by hiding under the skirts of a few foreign born UK citizens...
That's why we are interfering in the finances and politics of the English colonies in the South Atlantic so you, nice English individual human beings, will leave and return to your spiritual home, the UK...... or wherever it may be.”
Wrong.
The 9th generation of islanders of 200 years determine their own identity and allegiances.
The opinion of foreigners mean nothing, and that goes especially for confessed hostile foreigners.
@83 Think
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0As opposed to the generations of squatter living on land stolen from the natives in Argentina?
Once again your so-called argument hold no water.
Argentina has humiliated itself on the international stage. It is no closer now to attaining sovereignty of the Falklands today than they were in 1965.
But we all know the real reason for this. It so your government can use it as a distraction whilst they rob you all blind, and mismanage the country into oblivion.
By the way Think. Are you ever going to answer the question I posed months ago? You know the one: How long does someone have to live in a territory to be considered that nationality?
You have never answered, and constantly run away from answering it. Are you going to bravely run away again?
@83
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Wrong - A few second class British citizens, without the right of abode in the UK.”
I guess we can all thank Argentina for causing that situation to be rectified. Credit where credit is due.
“The UK has, in OUR opinion”
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0And there is the crux of Argentina's problem.... no one really gives a fcuk about Argentina's opinion.
The best part?
Argentina knows!
Think - by your own words, why then do Spaniards and various other European nationalities have the right to squat in South America, and especially in Patagonia. In the case of Patagonia which you bloodily conquered and settled LONG AFTER Britons peacefully settled in the Falkland Islands, why has this more validity than the Falkland settlement?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Gibraltar: the endless struggle for Rock of discord -
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Havana (PL). - British today, yesterday and strategic Spanish always, the Rock of Gibraltar relives every day the old story of an apple eternal sowed discord between those who aspire to take with power. Even with their remarkable smallness which does not exceed 6.8 square kilometers, this enclave at the gates of the Mediterranean Sea has been for centuries source of disputes between two nations, each in its time and within its scope, has removed heaven and earth to keep the condition of colonial rule...'
http://www.bolpress.com/art.php?Cod=2013092904
@42 You missed a few!
Sep 29th, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@53 You'd be something worrying. If you had a brain!
@70 Quite funny. Your “friend” proposes that the UK cede territory to the Mapuche as partial compensation for Spanish, argie and Chilean actions. And which mental institution does your “friend” inhabit?
@73 It's easy really. Some states have grown up. Some can't. Spain and argieland are in the latter category. As I have pointed out previously, the UN has rejected the idea that “territorial integrity” is more important than “self-determination”. So everything argieland and Spain does demonstrates demonstrates their immature, juvenile and illicit attitudes.
@79 What a pity. Have you noticed the reports of the “free” indigenous people in argieland who are still asking CFK if they can have their rights. I suppose that means they are “free” to do whatever they are allowed to do.
@83 Amazing. A perfect example of “THE BIG LIE” outlined by a twisted, degenerate latino!
@79 malen
Sep 29th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“natives of south america live free in south america, the natives are argentines with the same rights as criollos”
Well that is not what they (the natives) say. Here read it for yourself.
http://www.mapuche-nation.org/english/news.htm
They do not regard themselves as Argentinian that is for certain. They call you Huinca (a ‘white person’ in the Mapusungun language), and see themselves as having been stripped of their land and rights by an implanted population.
Change Huinca for Ocupas, and it all sounds very familiar, don’t you think!
I still can see no reason why the British should give anything in the S. Atlantic to anybody from S. America. You’re not going to be allowed to do in the S. Atlantic what you have done in S. America.
“there isnt british territory in Sam”. This much is true with the Falklands being in the S. Atlantic.
@ 83 Think
And when are you going to stop squatting on usurped Mapuche land and go home, or wherever.
Something of an irony, everything you accuse the Islanders of, they are in fact innocent of, but you are in fact guilty of.
Certain lack of credibility on your part.
Think - well we have been down the squatting mode many a time so lets just agree to differ - mine was and empty land with no indigenous population, yours had an indegenous population until Spain colonized it and those people by force, the descendents of those Spanich Colonists then declared independence from spain - and carried on clobbering the indegenous folk I recall.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems Margallo's balls have turned into bicycle wheels and backpedalled up his ass.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20
“Why does Argentina always need to assert that another country supports them? It is as if they recognise that as a country alone they are impotent and 'any other country' is the viagra they need to make them elevated enough to be noticed.”
Well said, Elaine, it shows they know their case is weak and irrelevant.
92
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....“mine was and empty land”
That's funny I'm sure I read there was a thriving population....doing quite well established there. Patrolling their territorial waters and seizing any ships that infringed.....basically the way they do now....only in the form of fines.
Until the Yanks destroyed the settlement believing they had a god given right to fish in anyones territorial waters.
Piracy?.....I think not....what happens to Pirates usually? That's right you set them Free.....
Any of these Pirates ever get prosecuted for Piracy?
Which country were they released to and why would they not prosecute?
@94
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Which country were they released to and why would they not prosecute”
Mestiver's murderers?
They were sent to South America, in 1833, where the UP authorities tried and executed 10 of them.
95
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Metiver?......Wrong date.....try a little earlier.....
(92) Islander1
Sep 29th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Juppppppp..... Let’s just agree to differ…….
……. After the English Navy kicked the Argentinean settlement out of them Islands, the land was so empty that some pious Anglo entrepreneurial souls got the magnificent idea of kidnapping some Tierra del Fuego Yaghans to serve in Malvinas.....
The bones of hundred of them still surface from time to time near Cranmer Station, Keppel Island.
All, of course, in the name of “Civilization” and our Lord Jesus Christ.
@96 A_Voice of Thinks
Sep 29th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Diverting the thread again are we?
You must have weak pathetic arguments, but then the whole Argentine and Spanish sovereignty claims are weak pathetic arguments.
It doesn't matter what happened in the past. All that matters now is that international law changed in 1945.
That means that self-determination is what matters, not some failing nations are their 'dreams' of colonialism.
The Treaty of Utrecht no longer matters (not that it was ever relevant as Spain broke this treaty within 20 years of it being signed by trying to forcefully take Gibraltar), Argentina's self-deluded fairy tales don't matter.
The only people who have a right to say by whom they are governed are the people of those territories: namely the Falkland Islanders and the Gibraltarians. This is guaranteed in international law, and even Argentina's and Spain's attempt to limit the right to self-determination at the UNGA in 2008 FAILED.
Never mind. Keep diverting the thread with your unsupported 'opinions' and blatantly racist views. They are sometimes even amusing to read, to see you and your other sock-puppets floundering desperately around supporting each other.
Reading all the replies from the British, and the occassional Australian, we can all tell who the racists REALLY are (using language to humilliate and denigrate Argentines at every opportunity). Case closed.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not only language, it our whole attitude towards an obviously corrupt worthless society.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should be used to it by now.
You do the same things to Bolivians, Paraguayans, Peruvians etc everyday.
You should be very familiar with the relationship is no different for us because that is how we feel towards you people.
AVoid Think.... Our rock, and our Falkland Islands command excellent strategic positions commanding three points of the Atlantic Ocean, and with our other Islands St Helena and Ascension with their airports, the type 45s and the silent nuclear subs cruising around RGland is totally stuffed. It darent go to the ICJ because it has no case, the UN has turned its various land grabs down, and in the event of another attempt of colonisation by force Britain will well and truly skewer it. Go back to the legion, and the Sally Army hostel and drown your sorrows in cheap lager. Or, return to the, 'paradise' of Argentina with its raging inflaton, collapsing currency, mass unemployment, criminal nightmare. Be wooed by the Malvinas propaganda posters and the big brother broadcasts and tweets of the old harpy and failed diplomat Gollum. A land full of root vegetables not good enough to be termed turnips....
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Violent clashes as squatters are evicted in Argentina
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-24304614
Luckily the Falklands are way more protected than these Rgs
@100
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Difference is I don't give a squat, that's why I can stay here and read it every day, since you and the others are meaningless in my life and I only come here to tell the truth while having fun and practicing my English.
But thanks for admitting that you ARE RACISTS. Finally something I do believe you in.
That would make sense in Argentinians was considered a race alas you're just a filthy worthless society not a race.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you believe to be true is far from what sane people believe to be true. One would think you'd have learned that by now.
FYI you'd be considered slow in Canada too. It doesn't' matter where you actually live.
Personal insults, refuge of the refuse.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't insulting you, just pointing out the truth as I believe them to be.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like you do.
Sorry if you took it the wrong way
Difference I dont talk about you, I post links with all the murder and violence and utter corruption in your has-been country. Not personal opinions of someone, FACTS backed up with LINKS of actual perceptible events.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So.... no takers to my questions @94....
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 098
How is it deflecting the thread....someone makes a statement and if you disagree you then refute.....
How is you post different?.....Should I say “Diverting the thread again are we?”
When you have no answer resort to...Diverting the thread again are we?
I like it ......maybe I should do that....only I've never had the need!
Answer the question.... or forever hold your piece....
....no that wasn't a typo...
SELF DETERMINATION FOR THOSE BORN ON ASCENSION.....
Or is it size that matters?
Racist.....yeah that's me, I think all those born with bright Ginger hair should be peroxided or wear a hat.....
107. I seriously can't remember a relevant link you've posted. If so it has been a very long time.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't you consider a utterly failed and corrupted state to be Argentina? I know for a fact Obama has not become as fantastically wealthy as the Ks have. I know he is not a narco-trafficker. I know his children don't run a goon squad.
You do tend to see the spec in other's eyes and not the plank in your own.
@TP
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think the UK is a “has-been” country.
Why are you interested in practicing your “English” then? (post 103)
I don't see how the UK, and England, are going to be globally insignificant any time soon.
Just because your country has been a has-been, doesn't mean it is to collapse or just become a Somalia. It means that it has no “hope” of a better tomorrow (economically or politically), because it's best days are behind.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA is also a has-been country. 50% of world GDP in 1950, down to 19% by 2015. Men on the moon before 1970, must hitchhike to get to space today. Only nation in the world with continental freeways in 1960, crumbling bridges, tunnels, and levies today. No high-speed rail, awful airports compared to Europe and certainly Asia and Middle East. Used to be 1st in overall education, now your schools are somewhere 37th place. Used to be the world's biggest net capital issuer, now you are the world's biggest net capital borrower.
What more evidence do you need? The above is overwhelming and devastating. Doesn't mean the USA is now irrelevant, but you are clearly on the downslope of your history.
Toby, your English is crap. Why do you want to learn it anyway? According to you Britain and America are doomed... Why? Surely Spanish is the language to learn.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I don't see any links and we've been over and over every single one of those points ad-nauseam.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's take one of your points, but they are all relatable to this one. In the 1950s the world was DEVASTATED, do you understand DEVASTATED and BANKRUPT, Europe/Japan/China/Russia was STARVING AND WAR RAVAGED. The USA was the only country good enough and big enough to supply them with food and mfg good.
So yeah we had most of the GDP, and you should be admiring our ability to feed and supply the world, let it grow rather than letting it starve. If you want to go by history we should have taken every country we conquered rather than making into our competition.
You are one silly silly stupid boy.
@112
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you should well be aware by now, I learn English because I enjoy your language. I learn four other languages as well for similar reasons.
@113
I have never complained about the USA's attitude post WWII, have I? See I give credit where it is due, something you will never be able to do because only true men can engage in such magnanimous comport.
So you agree with my statement and understand why when you use one single data point your posts become misleading and false?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finally!
I said nothing of the sort. You were 50% of world GDP and you are no longer that, fact remains you are a fraction of what you used to be statistically, yes or no? Just answer the question.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you not understand why that 1 data point of a specific decade isn't relevant?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you try 1920 instead.
It is as incorrect as saying the USA is on not growing because you look at only the last 7 years.
Incomplete data will lead you to bad conclusions
You weren't joking when you said that you've had little to no education were you?
“only the last 7 years”
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHAHAHAHA.
And how long are people supposed to wait for growth? 15 years? 25?
Meanwhile back on blogg,
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish are at it again,
Never learns, never understands , never wins..
Still,
Bit like CFK really…lol
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It is happening now.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So then Obama was right.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has been in spite of the terrible, no-good, horrible socialist policies of the current President.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has been trying very hard to turn us into Argentina but thank goodness most Americans are honest and want to work to succeed and prosper.
LOL, I have you dancing around your own responses for the last hour.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I have been trying to teach a blockhead for the last hour. No wonder your school kicked you out.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some people are just not teachable.
As a reasonable and civilised debate: Do you think that we should farm Argies and use their skulls as toilet paper?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More from the RG realm of fantasy...
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Join Greenpeace to defend British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands! - Argentine's arrest Greenpeace members chance to try the approach of delicate Russian oil facilities, has caused quite a stir, as if it were martyrs. Many supporters of this organization have been deceived in their good faith. However, Greenpeace never addresses intervene against the exploration and exploitation of British pirates in Falkland waters. Moreover, not only strive to prevent your ecofascism the industrialization of peripheral COUNTRIES, but default collaborate with imperialism and colonialism and American English. All this under the guise environmentalist, but subsidized by large capitalist corporations...'
www.rinacional.com.ar/rin25/index.php/analisis/editorial/item/2045-unete-a-greenpeace-para-defender-la-soberania-britanica-sobre-las-islas-malvinas
'Guillermo Carmona seeks a million signatures by Falklands ~ ...Guillermo Carmona, adding that “we can gladly report that we have already exceeded 700 thousand signatures, we are in the last stage of this project which will culminate with the presentation of the petition to the United Nations by the very President of the Nation, in a grand gesture all the people of Argentina and Latin America to recover the Falkland Islands ”...'
http://www.sitioandino.com/nota/92489-guillermo-carmona-busca-un-millon-de-firmas-por-malvinas/
Oh dear Toby, 114 116 118 121 , all peppered with crass grammatical errors! I expect you speak with a thick accent too. An American (or Mexican) accent is a big no no too.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@126 I'm sure the Nazis would have loved this idea. Get their signatures to out rank the smaller Denmark, Netherlands and Belgium to show their moral right to stand on people's necks. These fascist never change. Ever.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@128 exactly. If the UK could get a petition of 63 million signatures demanding spain and italy remove their implanted colonialist enclave in argentina, i'm sure we'd be on to a winning strategy for gaining some quite nice, albeit criminally underdeveloped real estate in south america.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@91
Sep 29th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think doesn't get irony. If he did he might appreciate how it is Argentina's own sense of entitlement that has ensured the Falklands will never be theirs.
@129
Sep 29th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is this almost prurient obsession of the Anglos in decrying “Argentina, Argentina, Argetina, the evil implated colonialists”, when the ENTIRE WORLD knows its not Argentina but the entire American continent that is culpable of the same precise thing!
What a mulish obstinance. When the Anglos remove the implanted North American colonialists, then you can shout about us.
Think- 92 - Yup - they did it in the name of Christianity as well!! Fortunatley Christianity has moved on somewhat since that era. as have most of us.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0In all fairness to the Bridges though - they did it with good heart and meant no ill.
@131 And it doesn't phase you that it is the fascist hypocritical and indeed, implanted, MALVANISTAS who delegitimize the Islanders as implanted as if they are all new-world special creationists. What a pretzel you must twist yourself in to cover for fascists you want us to think you oppose.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have never spoken of the Falklands as Malvinas. From day one I have said ONLY that they should be left alone by Argentina. That is all that I can do, and all that I would do, even if I had a more enhanced panoply of diplomatic choices.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I defend your rights to the islands in principle, but I most certainly will not tergiversate and consort with an enemy of my existence (the UK and the British people).
134 The Truth PaTroll
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me assure you that the vast majority of the British people are not your enemy. Most people here are reasonable and tolerant in nature who have no particular thoughts about Argentina one way or another.
Most of the regular posters on this site are Falklands obsessives whose strong views on the Falklands issue and Argentinas claim on the islands bear no reflection to the majority of people who remain pretty ignorant on the controversy.
The Argentine friends who I have made here in London all express surprise in how little importance the Falklands are to our national life. It may be a big issue in Argentina, but you can spend a year here in London and never hear then mentioned once.
That maybe so, but I consider all Europeans my enemy, at least in latent form, as everyone here is well aware. Not out of some innate perverse desire or proclivity, but out of chary respect for the European past.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I have mentioned before, people here judge all argentines by our government's actions and by the prism of our past, so it is only fair and my duty to utilize the same touchstone towards you.
The past 500 years of most European nations (two world wars, imperialism, religious persecution, slave trade, endless internal conflicts, even genocide of non-Europeans), are not exactly a shining cynosure of honor, amicable fraternity, or neither of rectitude nor justice.
Say the word Malvinas, and the Brits go crazy. You people need to get a life.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are plenty of Argentinians that are all wacko crazy and obsessed about stealing land that isn't theirs.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that true?
Shouldn't those people get a real life?
137 Gonzo22
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm afraid your very wrong. Say the word “Malvinas” and most Brits won't have a clue what your talking about. I'm guessing but I would say that at least 90% of people in Britian have never heard of the “Malvinas” As I mentioned earlier the Malvinas/Falklands controversy may be a big issue in Arentina but in Britain its a very minor issue.
A visitor to these shores could spend a year here and never hear it mentioned in conversation once.
In this respect the regular posters on this site are not typical of British people at all.
Well some point you must try to expand. We have five neighbouring countries, and almost all have territoires that even recently have hinted or outright suggested they want to join Argentina (southwestern ranchland in Paraguay, Tarija in Bolivia, border towns in the Magallanes Region in Chile, Brazilian Iguacu, many Uruguayans).
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since their self-determination is not being respected at some point Argentina will have to expand to take over those territories.
If a country does not expand, it is retreating.
“If a country does not expand, it is retreating.”
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like, “Lebensraum”.
Are there Argentinians who would rather not be a part of Argentina? Or are they all happy at home?
If there were people with such sentiments, should their “self-determination” also be respected and the areas they live in be allowed to leave Argentina?
No there are not. There are not secessionist or separatist movements in Argentina, the only nation in the Americas or Europe without any in the last 150 years.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know people here writhe upon hearing the above, because they want Argentina to be “bad” in every solitary category, but it is a fact. From Chile to Brazil to Mexico, to the United States, Canada and all points in between, and ovbiously every nation in Europe, there are regions/provinces/states with active secession or separatist movements.
Argentina is the most unified nation in the world perhaps. Certainly the most unified of the “large” nations territorially speaking.
'We have five neighbouring countries ... Brazilian Iguacu territory ... that even recently have hinted or outright suggested they want to join Argentina.' TTT #140
Sep 30th, 2013 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow. that's some great trolling!
I can assure readers that this jewel in the crown of the world tourist industry has no desire AT ALL to become Argentinian.
Iguacu Falls is as much iconically Brasil as is Copacabana and 'the Amazon'.
Toby, your language, attitude and twisted fascist logic makes you sound like someone from about 1933. Go away and polish your jackboots..
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@140 -Tobias
Sep 30th, 2013 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like a nazi. “Since their self-determination is not being respected at some point Argentina will have to expand to take over those territories.”
In fact you sound just like nazi Germany did regarding Czechoslovakia and Poland. There may be a small deluded minority in these areas who have said they want to be Argentinian, but since there have been no polls, no question put to the people that live there, I would suggest that it is all Argentine propaganda.
Also, just how are you going to 'expand'? Espeically given the fact that there is no proof, except your own propaganda, that these people want to be Argentinian. Are you going to 'liberate' them with your army?
It would be amusing to see you try. No wonder Brazil and Chile are improving their armed forces. It's a pity that Argentina's government is busy castrating your armed forces, isn't it?
I foresee a new war of triple alliance, this time it'll be Chile, Uruguay and Brazil against the nazi fascists in Argentina.
“If a country does not expand, it is retreating.”
Really?
When Britain expanded in the past, you were the 1st to call us names. It seems that you have revealed Argentina's true intentions (which we all knew all along), in not that of peace but of war.
I can't wait to see if Argentina tries it. And when your neighbours have humiliated you, and you can then spend the next 30 years 'pretending' that it was them that started the war, and that you won, or at least would've won, except for them foreigners.
God Tobias, if you really are the 'average' Argentine, then it's no wonder that Argentina is up sh!t creek without a paddle or a clue.
TTT has always expressed the view that the Falklands should remain British and that he does not support the current government of Argentina. He trolls here purely because he needs an enemy (how cute) and has decided it is the whole of Europe and sometimes the US and on really bad days the whole world.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT has never stepped foot outside of Mendoza - if he even lives there and that is debatable - or he would be aware that Argentina is an uneasy alliance between the provinces. Is he had spent any time in Cordoba he would know how much that region would happily break away from the rule of BsAs. It is not alone in that sentiment. Peron introduced nationalism in order to unite a very disparate country and as the economic disaster looms, that it likely to surface again.
Tobys knowledge of Mendoza is limited to Google maps. He claims to live there and I think he did once when his mummy took him to MacDonalds when he was 4. But today he knows less about Mendoza than I do, and I just cycled through it once (with a police escort to protect me through the northern suburbs). As people have said he is living in Canada wistfully trying to big up his failed homeland despite having little knowledge of it. He seems to have acquired a nazi personality defect in the meantime?
Sep 30th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@94, 96 Why don't you make your “case” instead of hoping that intelligent people will identify the “instance” you are rabbiting about. FYI, Luis Vernet was a criminal. He approached the British Consul for permission to set up a commercial venture on the Falkland Islands. Permission was granted. Subsequently, the “government” of the Republic of Buenos Aires proclaimed that he was their “commandant”. Therefore his application to the British Consul was illegitimate. He had no legal authority to be on British territory. He then committed piracy by seizing U.S. vessels. Since the “Republic of Buenos Aires” wasn't recognised by Britain, he was in breach of UK law as well as US law. And indeed international law. A common criminal.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@99 The case is closed. As you say. So we won't hear from you again, will we?
@103 Back again, are you? Despite the case being “closed”?
@105 And again? But let's consider. You look spanish, you act spanish, you speak spanish. That would be greasy, lying, thieving and RACIST. Doesn't your often-ignored constitution demand that the “government” encourage European immigration, aren't your indigenous people considered second-class and still asking for their rights. Thieving doesn't require explanation.
@107 Go back to#99. Work through your comments. Show us “links with all the murder and violence and utter corruption in your has-been country”.
@108 Dimwit.
@111 Considering that argieland and spain are already dead but won't lie down, what's your point?
@114 Don't worry, sonny. We'll give argieland credit when it deserves it!
@118 Try the argie timescale. 200 years.
@131 Thing is, thug, that argieland is one of the few places that there was a concerted effort to wipe out the indigenous people. Would have thought that “argentines”, freed of spanish control, would be more conciliatory. Instead, argies redoubled their efforts. Truly disgusting.
@136 We're your enemies. Okay, we'll kill you then. Then we'll have less!
@147 I've stayed there a few times, don't claim to know everything about the place but my perception is certainly at odds with TTT's. But I guess one could apply the theory that ones opinion is shaped by the way one approaches a city and the experiences there. Mine were pretty good though the locals and Argentine visitors were a lot more nervous. Crime has risen significantly in the last few years.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I once gave TTT the opportunity to prove beyond all doubt that he lived there - not by actually meeting him, obviously, but he disappeared off line. That is his choice but it might have given some weight to his comments.
The thing is he is a classic troll. He doesn't really believe half the stuff he posts, he just likes to stir up a storm. He is angry at the world and wants somewhere to work off some steam. He has no real convictions. To be fair there are some people with serious issues on both sides of the divide.
Elaine, mostly we felt safe in the small towns, it was just the big ones and the Villas to be avoided. I was quite surprised at the actions of the police which we didn't ask for. Didn't feel welcome in Ushaia. In February looking forward to a trip to Chile for the first time.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@147, yes yes, Elaine, his contrarian anti-Malvinas myth act seems to be part of RageBoy's overall rebellious angry goth kid persona but it increasingly gets hard to swallow when he now goes well beyond amoralist whataboutery in equating Poland to Saddam Hussein and getting his patholigtiucal xenophobic hatred out now by bragging to the the extent of his country's genocide against the first nations people and now his barrel scraping thing about Lebensraum effectively giving into the Malvanistas underlying lust to stand on other people's necks, which at times makes him even worse than the fascists who troll here about their Sudetenland and East Prussia (and Denmark and Holand and Belgium...). It's time for him to put up or shut up and post pictures of him with a “Falklands for the Falkland Islanders” sign or sandwich board on Mendoza's busiest street corner and prove it. But in reality he comes off not as a contrarian but hypernationalist my-facists-right-or-wrong-but-being-an-eternal-teenager-everyone-but-me-is-wrong patriot, but rather as one very eff-ed up little kid either in reality or just living in the body of an impotent maladjusted adult. In any respect, the act is getting beyond tiresome.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@137 Here's a thought for you. In most of the world, OUR Islands are labelled as Falkland Islands (Malvinas). This conveys that the proper name of the territory is Falkland Islands and that an uneducated minority call them something else. Prima facie, an uneducated minority is of no significance. There is, however, the matter of courtesy. We now refer to Peking as Beijing. Moscow as Moskva, Madras as Chennai. How come argies aren't courteous? Basic insecurity? Schizoid paranoia? Shit for brains? It's because argies are, by nature, confrontational. Having learned, over many years, that they can run fast. Not that it did them a lot of good when faced with intelligent opposition. As in '82. When the British figured where they were going and were waiting for them. A thought for you, dumbo. Probably best not to upset the guys with the guns. Every branch of the British armed forces can destroy the argie armed “forces”. The British population can destroy the argie population. We have long memories. 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders still to be paid for. Don't think we'll ever forget. 1939-45 and the Germans were honest. Despite the Nazis. How come argies didn't learn that? Because you're thick? Still the majority of the world understands “Falkland Islands”. It's only the minority latino retards.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@140 Imperialist, colonialist argieland. Watch the skies. Stay AWAY from other countries. You can't even rule yourselves properly.
@142 The “propaganda”. How about the indigenous people that would like to see the Italo-Spanish conquerors leave or die? Argieland isn't “unified”. It's divided. The indigenous and the colonialists. Let's have real research. How many indigenous people want the European colonists to swim home?
You all should understand that the male Rg is emotionally under developed. They live at home until they are married, everything is provided for them and they have little to no responsibility. Most don't take work seriously, they abhor rules and most likely have never graduated although they have spent 15-20yrs going to classes.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby is just a product of a very poor, under educated and lazy Society. He will never amount to anything unless he ends up in a Union or Gov't or both. He knows this and that is why he is so angry.
He sees how others people live, work, travel, have fun and learn while he is stuck in a forgotten province in a failed country. He's always been told he was smart and thought by now he'd have made something out of himself but now realizes that will never happen. (Just like Think)
He is a sad guy with no hope.
He is just playing a part and trying to get himself out of his horrible day to day life.
Too bad he is such a dick about it.
He used to be kind of fun but now he is just sad.
148 Bonkeror
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...“He then committed piracy by seizing U.S. vessels. Since the “Republic of Buenos Aires” wasn't recognised by Britain, he was in breach of UK law as well as US law. And indeed international law. A common criminal.”
I think you need some revision work in your history.....
Now put that dunce hat on and stand in the corner.....
1824
June 25th, Woodbine Parish sends a report on the present condition of the United Provinces to the Foreign Office in London; “The United Provinces of la Plata, or, as they are sometimes called, the Argentine Republic, comprise, (with the exception of Paraguay and the Banda Oriental, which have become separate ..) the whole of that vast space lying between Brazil and the Cordillera of Chile and Peru, and extending from the 22nd to the 41st degree of south latitude. The most southern settlement of the Buenos Ayreans as yet is the little town of Del Carmen, upon the river Negro.”
1824
December 30th, Foreign Secretary Canning informs the US Minister that the British Government has decided to recognise the independence of three new American States – Mexico, Colombia and..... (Buenos Ayres. ( sometimes called, the Argentine Republic)
December 31st, Britain’s decision becomes general knowledge.
1825 – January 16th, George Slacum arrives in Buenos Aires as Consul for the United States of America
....Dimwit
....now do you see why they were never prosecuted as pirates....because they had the backing of a recognised Government....
@153, what's sad is that he more-than-probably has smarts but likely no opportunity to make 'em work for his benefit and a lot that are the attitudes that have been ingrained on him. Sadly so goes the much of the rest of Argentina, a country with lots of territory already, lots of resources, lots of human capital, but with nationalist charlie-foxtrot governments from Peronists to Juntas that negate those assets. But you are right, Toby is an object of pity -- at least until he started this expansionist apologia crap.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thickn, so what? ICJ...no. UN... no. 1832...no. 1982....failed and humiliated. 2013 .... nothing changed.... Dumkopf! Stick to Strictly and Eastenders your brain can just about handle that.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0156
Sep 30th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....that's right.....change the subject....and deflect and slip into that comfortable place called Denial....
@157 A_Voice of Thinks,
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you stick to the subject? That is the subject of this thread, which is Spain back-pedalling and making the Argentines foreign minister look even more stupid than he normally does.
All dates prior to 1945 are irrelevant anyway. The only thing that matters is the UN charter.
So ALL Argentina has to do is somehow get the UN to try and change it's rules on the right to self-determination, then try to persuade the British to just let you have the islands, followed by another attempted failed invasion.
The attempt, in 2008, to get the human right to self-determination qualified failed MISERABLY. So still a long way to go yet.
Argentina has a snowflakes chance in hell of ever getting their hands on the Falklands. Spain has a snowflakes chance in hell of ever getting their hands on Gibraltar.
Every year that goes by strengthens the claims and rights of the people who live in these territories. Argentina's already humorously weak claim gets weaker every day.
@143
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you are an iconic moron. Iguacu Falls Brazilian or in Brazilian territory?
Prove it...
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/303
The Iguazu Falls are arranged in a way that seems like a reverse letter “J”. The border between Brazil and Argentina runs through the Devil's Throat. On the right bank is the Brazilian territory, which has just over 20% of the jumps of these falls, and the left side jumps are Argentine, which make up almost 80% of the falls.
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/303
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You uneducated ignorant nincompoop. Iguazu, just like Tango, is ours. N O ONE thinks of Brazil for Iguazu, or of Uruguay for Tango.
Go cry.
158
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Comments do not reflect MercoPress’ opinions. They are the personal view of our users. We wish to keep this as open and unregulated as possible”
I don't see anywhere that states I have to adhere to the subject of the article...or is this a rule that is yours?
....you never answered my last question and again deflect from the obviousness of my implications.
....are you still holding your piece?
TTT #159
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither Iguacu nor 'the Amazon' are up for grabs.
Big features are usually national boundary features, but we do not give them up lightly.
These predatory assertions the precursors of wars, so do not go there;
you are a weak, weak country;
it would do you no good at all.
I have never claimed the Amazon. Only the Europeans and North Americans want to steal the Amazon from Brazil, Peru, Colombia, due to imperialist ambitions.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0162. Can you show us some links proving these ridiculous and delusional statement?
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@150 Ushuaia is a strange place without a soul. 98% of the people living there come from some place else and are there for a short period of time enjoying the higher and tax free wages. Apparently they do have dancing there on a saturday night but, as one local confided, they mostly have affairs for entertainment. :)
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am back in Chile in a few weeks for some work - there is an election - but mostly on a personal errand. I think you will love it there.
I most certainly will not. Only a simpleton would attempt to deny the fact the USA, EU, etc, have been essaying a landgrab of the Amazon region, to de facto “annex” those territories, under the guise of “biodiversity conservation”.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even the Brazilian military is aware of the plans of Washington, Paris, London, Berlin, Rome, Moscow, et al to USURP the land of South American nations. Because you have no respect for the rule of law, sovereignty, and are just perfidious, racist, sleazeballs of societies who do not respect anyone else.
165. You won't because you can't.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are really pathetic.
My guess is you developed all of your demented ideas from Patoruzito
Toby, thats right, ve are invading next veek! Get zoze jackboots on and ztart doing yur gooze ztep! Seig Hiel!
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or as they say up there in Canada.... Eh?
Everyone knows there is a EU/US attempt to take over the Amazon. Why don't you prove it is not the case?
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amazon is doing quite well, their delivery service is excellent. EU/USA arent really interested in failed states.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Iguaçu falls belongs Brazil and Argentina. But, Brazil have more tourists and are more prepared to receive them. No fight against brothers!!!!
Sep 30th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169
Sep 30th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then no wonder your elected officials are paralyzed and your respective goverments stultified in enacting the necessary reforms to heave yourselves out your inexorable decline.
Toby, you seem extra scary cray-cray today. Just step away from the computer, drink some camomile tea, listen to some whale song music, cut up scenic photos of the Developed World and cast the pieces into the air while cackling maniacally, do whatever it is you do to reach your 'normal' level of nutty.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0777 trillion at hand, my northern fiends?
Sep 30th, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/29/3659868/caribbean-leaders-make-case-for.html
And all for refusing to apologize for Europe's criminal behavior. Well, you'll pay at one point or another. The longer time goes by, the less of a say you will have on the terms.
146 Elaine
Sep 30th, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You troll here because you need an enemy and an argentine one, always talking horrors of everything Argentine, but everything, everytime you can, you should avoid entering or visiting Arg, dont be masochist, go more to other places where you feel better.
Soon UK will be called Desunited Kingdom or Low Britain, always playing the divide and conquer in others countries, now it happens to yourselves.
The mighty Caribbean nations are banding together to “demand” something.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooh scary!!
Toby, come show me where the USA/Canada/Mexico EU are stealing the Amazon.
Why are you so stupid to bring something up you can't prove?
You need to go to school for something other than the conjugation of verbs.
146 Or choose better countries to work with, not Arg that you dislike so much.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@154 A_PIECE_OF_FUCKSHIT. And the treaty with the Republic of Bullshit Arseholes is recorded where? Problem is that shitty argies are shitty argies no matter what. Any evidence from “reliable” records? Nothing from “latam” is reliable. “Latinos” and “latam” lie. If “latinos” or “latam” say it's true, it's a lie. “Latam” couldn't tell “the truth” even if it knew what “truth” was.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0177
Sep 30th, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha Bonkeror ...foaming at the mouth.....
here's the link....
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1823-1832/
Opps it's not a Latam link...choke on your own history
...dimwit!
#173
Sep 30th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, we could do the decent thing and repatriate them all to Africa. We gave them the islands for free when they gained independence. Let them make a success of them. They have had about 50 years to do this.
I am sure that they would prosper better in Africa than in their current abode. Comparing life styles between the bulk of Africans and West Indians, the West Indians have it made.
I am all for demanding recompense for the Italian's -(Romans) -
treatment and enslavement of my British ancestors , and how about the Viking slave trade. Nearly all women in Iceland carry Celtic genes from Ireland or western Scotland. Money here please.
We can expand this to Egypt, Ottoman Empire, Barbary slave traders,
Moguls, the Zulu Empire, Genghis Khan et al. They all had flourishing slave trades.
Britain or the EU has no designs what so ever in stealing lands in south America,
Sep 30th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We want to get out of debt,
Not get into it on a gigantic scale..lol
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@179
Sep 30th, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the slave trade is well recorded. Thus along with the Holocaust it is different from all the others. Pay up.
@181 - Tobias
Sep 30th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will have to pay up too. Your country owned lots of slaves too. It's amazing how selective your memory it.
The only difference between the UK and Argentina is that the UK freed their slaves, Argentina murdered theirs because they didn't want none-whites in Argentina.
Added to this is your genocidal actions against the native amerindians, and Argentina becomes the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.
Added to this is the well-documented evidence of Argentina reneging on treaties, and invading neighbouring countries.
Tell me, just when do you plan to give Paraguay it's territory back? And the native amerindians their land?
It seems the conquistadors are alive and well and living in Argentina.
168. Your education level is an embarrassment.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Demanding that one proves the non-existence of something in place for providing adequate evidence for the existence of that something. Although it may be possible to prove non-existence in special situations, such as showing that a container does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.
@182
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is Europe that is being judged by the world, not Argentina. Tough cookie huh. Maybe if you hadn't done 500 years of colonialism and imperialism...
@183
Proof of existence? In order to make accusations or be prepared, one must prove nothing. It would be criminal not to assume Europe and the USA will return to form and plunder and conquest.
@ 181 The Truth PaTroll
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby be serious, how do you think countries like Nigeria are going to be able to afford to pay reparations!
@184
You know what they say about assumptions being the mother of all F*uck Ups, don’t you.
184. What a dumb animal you are turning into.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has CFK taken all the lithium in the country? Is there none left for the peasants (you)?
'Half of the Mirage would buy the Argentina can refuel in flight
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These aircraft will acquire the Argentina Air Force to the Air Force of Spain...'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1624652-la-mitad-de-los-aviones-mirage-que-comprara-la-argentina-podran-reabastecerse-en-vuelo
'Carmona defended his initiative a million signatures by Falklands'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1624652-la-mitad-de-los-aviones-mirage-que-comprara-la-argentina-podran-reabastecerse-en-vuelo
'How viable will the ad hoc talks be? ~ ...Both the Argentine foreign ministry led by Hector Timerman and his Spanish counterpart Garcia-Margallo, allegedly discussed what common ground both countries had with their respective sovereignty claims over Gibraltar and the Falklands - Panorama drew up some questions for London to answer...
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1624652-la-mitad-de-los-aviones-mirage-que-comprara-la-argentina-podran-reabastecerse-en-vuelo
'Argentina, the decline of Kirchnerism'
www.termometropolitico.it/71048_il-tramonto-del-kirchnerismo.html
'UK overseas mil. bases embroiled in controversies'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1624652-la-mitad-de-los-aviones-mirage-que-comprara-la-argentina-podran-reabastecerse-en-vuelo
'Spaniard apologises over Gibraltar 'invasion' video'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1624652-la-mitad-de-los-aviones-mirage-que-comprara-la-argentina-podran-reabastecerse-en-vuelo
'Fishermen ask Rajoy to intervene in Gibraltar'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1624652-la-mitad-de-los-aviones-mirage-que-comprara-la-argentina-podran-reabastecerse-en-vuelo
'Brussels investigates the Gibraltar tax system'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1624652-la-mitad-de-los-aviones-mirage-que-comprara-la-argentina-podran-reabastecerse-en-vuelo
'UK overseas mil. bases embroiled in controversies'
Sep 30th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/30/326865/uk-mil-bases-controversy-human-rights/
Good article.....
@188 malen
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this the best you can do? An obviously biased report, which hasn't even bothered to investigate properly. Not even citing sources?
Must try harder.
Yes, very high standard of Iranian journalism, always known for telling it as it is, no doubt you will be very happy when Christina manages to bring your own media/Journos, up to their standards.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile back in the real world...........................
189 You (english posters) searched and posted the article.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Explain your point of view with sources.
Waiting for your answer.
That's right, we call it, “Light Entertainment.”
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0189 SO the article is very good, a lot of truth, and the sources on them too.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent to see the 2 sides of the coin, not just the one UK wants to sell in accordance to human rights in Ascensión, Diego García, etc.
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