MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands cruise season: Ushuaia warns “Gaucho Rivero” bill will be fully enforced
The “Gaucho Rivero” bill which bans the access of British flagged (red ensign) or convenience flagged vessels which call in the Falkland Islands remains fully in force for Ushuaia, said Marcelo Echazú, head of the Tierra del Fuego Tourism Institute, Infuetur, on announcing this year’s cruise season. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules~23,000 cancellations last season.....
Oct 01st, 2013 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0~35,000 this season would be satisfactory.....
If you play with them, you can't play with us. Are you not humiliated with a policy like this, it is how children behave and it will backfire in you.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you invade my Country, we wont play with you, that's how normal people everywhere behave.....
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's childish, and reflects very poorly on you. These cruise liners are influential commercial enterprises, do you think they will take kindly to being blackmailed.
It just isn't good business sense.
Fascinating how you call it “childish”, yet you are the ones that immediately turn around and haughtily boast how you have Spain “by the balls”, because they presumibly are so dependent on your tourism and good graces.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't THAT one hell of a childish attitude to spouse?
Your double-standards as usual are limpid as ice water, and reprehensible. Were Argentina to be highly dependent on the UK, and acquiesced, you would cheaply gasconade about how Argentina meekly caved in.
But since we don't depend on you in any sphere of significance, and undertake these symbolically powerful gestures, this piques you deeply.
I personally do not buy into this policy, but solely because I don't approve of displacing the Falklanders or having them ruled by an entity they do not wish.
But the rest is certainly amusing.
You take care of your business.....
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take care of my business....
And now, if you would excuse me......, I have to lobby the authorities of my Province (Chubut) to fully enforce the “Gaucho Rivero” bill this season....
Most normal citizens on cruises would sooner visit the Falklands, South Georgia and Antarctica and give and give Argie-land a miss.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see more stops in Uruguay and Chile.
Another own goal for Argie-land - is Indec keeping the tally...LOL.
Well your last sentence redeemed you, but surely that belief applies to the Gibratarians too. Spain does do very well from UK tourism, despite all their antagonistic behaviour, the UK did not do anything to damage that, we didn't need to, Spain backed away from the point if no return in a very embarrassing way.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is heading for some very hard times, biting the hand that feeds them, one would think, is a stupid policy.
Gaucho Rivero did not murder his contractors, he had only one contractor and that was Luis Vernet, the expelled Argentine Colonial Governor of the Islands. He was unable to murder Vernet because he was in Argentina he instead murdered a number of Vernets employees because they didn't pay him properly - an Argentine tradition that endures today. So if Rivero did rebel against anything it was his absent Argentine landlord/governor and the Argentine tradition of not paying your debts.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since when did the truth ever matter. Lol
Turnip at (7)
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0~23,000 cancellations last season are a crystal-clear indication of what “The Market” choice is....
We Argies don't need to keep any tally.......
The Kelpers are doing it for us :-)
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/27/falklands-tourism-stats-uk-and-argentina-provide-the-most-arrivals#comment277921
With the development of the oil/gas industry in the S Atlantic, Ushuaia is not in a position to have any real impact on the Islands overall.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as tourism is concerned, this will not help them against their main competitor Chile.
On balance they will almost certainly lose with this policy, not least because cruise lines are very powerful where the ports they decide to use are concerned, and will not like being told what to do.
When I cycled down to Ushuaia I thought it was a dump. Grey, soggy Rugby grounds, miserable people and beaver damage everywhere. As for the tacky tasteless Malvinas monuments - ugh! If I was skippering a cruise ship I would give it a miss. Apparently the port water supply is contaminated rubbish and they can't supply all sorts of things because of RGlands economic crisis.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile is a better stop and you can retrace a bit of Captain Joshua Slocumbs route too.
Turnip at (12)
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0~23,000 cancellations last season are a crystal-clear indication of how powerful Cruise Lines are.......
Chuckle chuckle
Oooooh!! Snottys erudition amazes me. He uses the Norman French word gasconade which hasnt been more than an archaic word in the dictionary since Britain lost the Angevin empire around the early 1200s. Suggest you stick that word up your own arcanum, Snotty?
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think , and what part of Argentina are you mouthing of from or are you like the rest of your kind that grace this forum living in a European country with a better standard of living than your own-and while your at it is that idiot Timmerman still in a job after he pissed of your former colonial masters last week in New York JAJAJA
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You people need to stop shooting yourselves in the foot
Ushuaia bears the brunt
Of the 100,000 cruise passengers that visited Ushuaia in 2009, the UK accounted for 7,000 and ranked fourth after the US, Germany and Canada. The UK accounts for twice as many visitors to Ushuaia as Argentina, and UK tourists are likely to be higher spenders.
Ushuaia, known as El Fin del Mundo – the end of the world – is one of two major gateways to the Antarctic, the other being New Zealand. Due to the bad weather, tourism is highly seasonal and the local Chamber for Tourism has taken steps to reposition it as a year-round destination by promoting ski tourism and also a Tierra del Fuego cultural festival, named after the national park.
Unfortunately, the region that applied the Gaucho Rivero ban on the UK flag-flying cruise ships is ultimately the biggest loser thanks to lost revenue from cruise passengers. Not only will international cruise operators lose out, but also local tour operators that organise land-side excursions will suffer losses, as well as shops and restaurants. In the longer term, travel accommodation providers in Ushuaia will miss out on potential repeat visits.
The centenary in 2012 of Captain Scott's death after his failed attempt to reach the South Pole would be an ideal opportunity to showcase the region's unique heritage, targeting baby boomers from Europe and the US who are the keenest cruisers and are seeking authentic experiences and adventure.
- See more at: http://blog.euromonitor.com/2012/03/impact-on-tourism-of-escalating-tensions-between-the-uk-and-argentina.html?cid=6a01310f54565d970c016763792916970b#sthash.XSt11fV3.dpuf
How come that all Argentine heros are murderers, thieves or frauds?
Oct 01st, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think, Never mind think Argentina will have those SECOND HAND planes to put up in the air to greet all the cruise liners because they sure won't be good for anything else, why do you think the Spanish are getting rid to be replaced with what The Great British have the Typhoons poor Argentines having to make do with second hand outdated equipment. JAJAJA
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turnip at (17)
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wooooow!!!...... A 20 months old, speculative article about some probable negative consequences for Ushuaia's tourism.......
What about some news from................. today?..:
“As to the 2013/14 cruise season Echazú said that Ushuaia is expecting 263 calls which means approximately 85.000 visitors, above last year’s.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/10/01/falklands-cruise-season-ushuaia-warns-gaucho-rivero-bill-will-be-fully-enforced
Chuckle chuckle
As to the 2013/14 cruise season Echazú said that Ushuaia is expecting 263 calls which means approximately 85.000 visitors, above last year’s. The first to arrive was Chilean
Gaucho Rivero law LANs flights to the Falklands still call at Comodoro Rivadavia to pick up Argentine passengers to the Falklands and bring them back. What price the Guacho Rivero law?
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think, why don't you take your squatting ass from Scandanavia back to that shit hole in South America and make it 85.001 and do us all a favour surely your homeland can't be that bad can it???
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your concept is flawed. Cruise liners will go to the Falklands, those liners will not go to Ushuaia because of a childish protectionist policy, how can that be good for Ushuaia???
I don't think the Falkland Islanders standard of living is likely to drop, do you?
Stench at (14)
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They can get that many cancellations because of bad weather.
Ushuaia will simply not be booked, no need to cancel.
@Think,Is it true you have taken to wearing black tights you lil fashion victim you.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not exactly sure what your celebrating think. So if 23,000 people cancel...that would be 23,000 people not spending money in Argentina...so that means say 1,000 people of Argentinians not earning as much or less money... So your actually celebrating argentinains earning less and being in poverty?
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 - Think
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you say invade your country, I assume you are making the incorrect assumption that the Falkland Islands is part of Argentina. If the Falkland Islands is your country, why don't you move here? There is nothing stopping you making these islands your actual home. And seeing how dedicated you are to the Argentine lie/claim and how obsessed you are with these islands, I would have thought you would be here....
It is Argentine people like you who make me laugh. You make these very big and bold statements about the Falklands, but you have no inclination or desire to live, or even probably, visit the Falklands. While you pass your little quips (that you believe are intellectual) about the people who were born and live there and claim you have more rights than them! And on top of that you do not see the outrageous hypocrisy!
You are comedy gold Think.
(21) redp0ll
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, it is Rio Gallegos, not Comodoro Rivadavia........
Secondly, the Gaucho Rivero bill applies ONLY to British or “Flag of Convenience” ships wanting to use Argentinean Sea-Ports to serve British occupied Malvinas.....
Inform yourself.....
If the Falkland Islands is your country, why don't you move here?
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dumbass
@8
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you just admitted, you use the UK's position of economic power over Spain as blackmail. Fair enough.
Since you don't have that on Argentina, (sorry, but you are not the hand that feeds us, no one does), then the policy can go on right ahead.
That is what happens when “childish” politics get in the way. The UK certainly, threatening Spain on the tourism front, stooped to Spain's level.
The UK makes no threats of the sort against Argentina because you are not an economic threat to us.
26 nota
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“ I am not exactly sure what your celebrating think. So if 23,000 people cancel...that would be 23,000 people not spending money in Argentina...”
I say...:
Those ~23,000 cancellations were Malvinas (Falklands) cancellations....
That would be 23,000 turists not spending money in Malvinas (Falklands) ... so that means say 2,500 people in Malvinas (Falklands) not earning any money...
Inform yourself......
You are well right Truth PaTroll, but lets get this right. Spain signed away gib in treaty and has no claim. That is why its going down the UN...as it knows that if it went down the ICJ route it be the first thing that be brought up.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your claim on The Falkland Islanders is what exactly...you were there for two month?
I have never bothered to learn what the claims to the Falklands are. I never payed attention in school on this one subject.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't like obsessions, and we have an obsession over the islands. I choose not to participate. Furthermore, I'm not a fan of oppressing people with governments they don't wish. That's a European thing.
As for Gibraltar, I know even less, but I believe in the same concept. Spain leave Gibraltar alone and the UK leave Spain alone. Would be a much better world if everyone minded their own business.
On that note Truth PaTroll we both agree. Everyone has the right in my eyes to have a say on what they want their future to be.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth, 31. Falkland Islands have a diverse and expanding economy, soon Oil and Gas will be added to GDP. Do you really think that this economic blockade will stop 2,500 people forging their own future further and further away from South America....but as you chuckle and laugh the further those islanders slip away...
Whoopee wait till they start cancelling, like last year, Chile will step in and reap the benefits AGAIN
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandshistory.org/false-falklands-history.pdf
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know I cannot see for the life of me see that banning the cruise ships is going to make any difference to the economy of the FALKLANDS, in about 4yrs or so the FALKLANDS are going to start earning mega-bucks when the oil companies start extracting the oil.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think,Why don't you tell us all why your homeland is not a good enough place for you and your miserable family to live in why do you chose to live in northern Europe
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is not economic blockade. No one is stopping anyone from doing business in the Falklands, much less deploying forces to prevent that from occurring.
@The Truth PaTroll So are you saying SS Kirchner as not tried to get EVERY South American country to not do business with The Islands????
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were talking about this particular bill.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All countries do lobbying of the sort, and yours is one of the biggest serial abusers of that diplomatic tool.
I seem to remember last year, the passengers being poisoned with toxic gas from the Rg thugs protesting.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then the Rg complaining they have lost their livelihoods by not being able to sell the fresh supplies to the cruise liners and that they didn't have enough time to get them to BA before it all rotted.
And on the reverse I don't' think the Falklanders cared at all.
I also can't see anyone choosing to see TDF over Stanley. The Falklands are much more interesting. There's not much in TDF, skip it and go to Chile it is prettier with friendlier people.
Very odd that Argentina should pass a law in the name of a common criminal and murderer.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thomas Helsby an Englishman, who arrived on the islands in May 1833, wrote a detail account of the murders in his “Account of the Port Louis Murders” published in 1839.
Five people were murdered in a dispute over money, they were: Mathew Brisbane who was Vernet’s English partner, Ventura Pasos, an Argentine and a nephew of Juan José Pasos, one of Argentina’s rulers after independence, a Frenchman called Jean Simon, who acted as foreman to the gauchos, an Irishman called William Dickson whom Charles Darwin mentioned in his book the voyage of the Beagle and lastly a German called Anton Vaihinger.
This could not have been a revolt against British rule as there were no authorities on the islands at the time, whose population consisted entirely of civilians of mixed nationality.
Matthew Brisbane is buried in the Spanish cemetery in Port St Louis where his tombstone is still to be seen.
The Gaucho Rivero law is, of course illegal under international law as it violated free and innocent passage on the high seas.
I understand that P& O has already cancelled all cruise ship visits to Argentina as they could not guarantee the safety of their passengers, crew and ships
My, my, doesn't the time fly by, silly season is upon us again.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina progagandists will no doubt be spouting the usual bull that cruise ships have once again cancelled their stop at the islands, thus proving the effectiveness of their blockade.
Then, behold, a quick check of the said ships GPS track, shows that the damn thing is about four hundred metres off shore of the island.
Like I said, silly seasons back again, still, helps them get rid of their old tyres!
TWIMC
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0~23,000 cancellations last season.....
~35,000 this season would be satisfactory.....
Chuckle chuckle©
Be in line with, whoops! nearly said your, when what I meant was, their rate of inflation.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had a jacket like that back in the 80's, I left it in a hotel in Paris and never got it back. I'm very surprised to see that its still in fashion.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 in your dreams mate chuckle chuckle, I don't see why you really care seeming as you don't live in rgenweener anyway, still if it makes you happy sad person
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, me old hoarse whisperer. You are of course quite right. My mistake. Its Rio Gallegos of course. So how are those flights accepted by that airport control? They come from the Mount Plaeasnt Airport in the Falkland Islands, a place your government says doesnt exist.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So where do they come from? Mars?
Are Martians acceptable under the Guacho Rivero law in Patagonia?
Two martians land in RG land and the first person they meet is Timmerman.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first matian says to him, “Take me to your leader.”
The second martian says, “Ignore him, it's his first trip here, what time does the cruise ship leave for the Falklands?”
..........and still the Union Jack flies over The Falklands. :)
Oct 01st, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“”@20 Your concept is flawed.“”“”
Oct 01st, 2013 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It always is.
Chuckle chuckle©
I remember hairpieces like that, back in the 80's
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think is probably getting his fitted right now!
Anything that keeps fat, lazy Americans off our country I approve of. Pete's they don't even want to walk 10 meters to grab something. Of all the tourist in Mendoza, the Americans are by far the laziest. I hear that in the USA they don't even want to walk to get their mail, they back-up their cars!
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tierra del Fuego is 50 times more interesting than the Falklands and Punta Arenas combined, both in scenery, variety of landscapes, and history of the place. No one lives on the Chilean side of TDF.
I am confused by this reference to “Gaucho Rivero”.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0He appears to be an Argentine hero. This is confusing.
Gaucho rivero murdered Matthew Brisbane on the Falklands Islands in the 1830's, in what Argentina has variously described as an “Argentine uprising against British colonialism”
Excellent. So Matthew Brisbane (Scottish) was an embodiment of british Colonialism....
Matthew Brisbane was also the appointed representative of Luis Vernet on the Falklands.
therefore we can all agree that the Vernet community (or the remnants thereof) in 1833 were in fact symbolic of BRITISH colonialism not Argentine.
NO INHERITANCE FROM SPAIN
NO VERNET COMMUNITY
50 MURDERERS AND RAPISTS FOR 60 DAYS
NO GEOGRAPHICAL PROXIMITY
MASSIVE DOUBLE STANDARD WRT PATAGONIA
what a bunch of retards...with “Think” as king retard!
54TIT
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, yer right.
Keep thinking that.
No one wants to visit you.
:-)
Quote : “Among the highlights according to Echazú are the Pullmantur from Bahamas with 1.350 passengers; Celebrity Cruise based in Malta with 2.050 pax ” .
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 01 ) The Bahamas and Malta are both flag of convenience countries , and everyone knows this .
2 ) Celebrity Cruises may be “ based ” in the Bahamas and Malta , but their ships are berthed , provisioned and sail from...The UK !!
3 ) Cristina charters British aircraft for her trips abroad , so she hardly subscribes to this so called law .
4 ) How come British Airways are allowed to fly to Ezeiza , is that not a British flag carrier ?
Why can't you Camporistas , Peronistas and Malvinistas see that you are being fed a complete load of lies that simply serve as a smokescreen to cover up the serious problems the K government has created in the past 10 years .
Hector has got this basic psychology thing down to a fine art... Let's have another year of trying to harm the Falkland Islanders' interests, it'll win them over this time.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0We'll protect their interests after that, like we said we would in the [never to happen] situation of us gaining sovereignty.
I find the figures a bit confusing elsewhere he has said there will be 38 boats, with a total of 263 landfalls. In the 2012-2013 season there were 47 cruises with 295 landfalls. So a he's estimating an increase in passengers but a decrease in landfalls. Or is he just pulling these figures out of his arse ?
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 054 The Truth PaTroll
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Tierra del Fuego is 50 times more interesting than the Falklands” and Punta Arenas combined, both in scenery, variety of landscapes, and history of the place. No one lives on the Chilean side of TDF
Well well well, so if TDF on the argie side is 50 times more interesting than the Falklands why is the Falklands 500,000 times more interesting for Argies?
“Interesting to note that Argentina does not have a legal claim to the Falklands. The UN International Courts of Justice has issued guidelines on a country making a territorial claim on a non-self-governing territories against the will of the people under the theory of 'historical ties.' In order for the territorial claim to succeed, the country making it must be able to prove continuous, important, economic and political ties before it can overturn the rights of the population to self-determination.”
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does an attempt at blockade constitute economic and political ties, or is it completely the opposite and therefore self-defeating in every sense?
@61
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the objective is ever to acquire Argentine sovereignity over the Falkland Islands, then it's clearly self-defeating.
If, however, the objective is to behave like vindictive arseholes for the purposes of self-gratification, the greater glory of the patria, and the benefit of the domestic population, then it might be considered a success.
The Truth PaTroll ,I think you have got the word lobbying mistaken for the word bullying, how anyone can support this despicable thief god only knows.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh Toby, your lack of actual travel has you stymied again. I've been to both places and Stanley has TDF beat by a mile.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0No American has heard of TDF or Ushuaia anyone around in the 80s has heard of the Falklands. A remote island community is infinitely more interesting than a poor SA province.
Remember a cruise is only in port for a few hours and there is absolutely nothing to see in TDF in a couple hours. I think most of my cruise went to the shockingly slow Locutorios right across from where we got out to check email since it was so expensive on the ship. Then walked around the dusty dirty town.
It was either that or go mucking around in the peat bog letting the ranger explain how Rgs introduced Beavers from Canada that were ruining their province and moving into Chile. Not a smart people.
Also you should be happy that fat American are still visiting that horrible place you call home. Pretty soon they won't be coming and you'll probably be losing your job. Americans don't travel to places under civil unrest or going through a currency crisis. Ask Egypt.
If the Chileans are smart, they won't only be beefing up the tourism facilities in Punta Arenas, they will also be developing Puerto Williams into a full tourist destination, where visitors can explore the Beagle Channel just as well as they could from Ushuiai, clearly see the same or just as good scenery as they would in Ushuaia, and do it all from civilised Chile without ever having to set foot in Argentina.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0cruises can choose their ports, no one says dont go there, yes go, absolutelly free pass. If you want to come here, yes come, absolutelly free pass.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very democratic I see.
Wasn't there some big hoohah last year about a cruise ship cancelling a visit to the Falklands and then it turned out it was because of the weather rather than any interference.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 How do you justfy your approach? It's not as though argies are “normal”. So many adverse attitudes. Perhaps we should REALLY invade your “country”?
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Thought this “Gaucho Rivero” the cut-throat, law was supposed to be directed at vessels related to the oil industry? But worth remembering that Antonio Rivero murdered FIVE people. Captured by the British, he was released through THE LAW of Britain. What curious heroes you have. Actually, aren't most of your “heroes”, criminals?
@6 Is that the province where you murdered most of the indigenous people? Not really “yours” then, is it? Kill people, then steal their property? That's either a murdering thief or a thieving murderer. Chubut fertile, is it? That would be all the blood and bones. Unfortunately, none of it is yours!
@11 It's okay. 2,932 Islanders. 41,660,417 argies. MORE cruise passengers would seem to be more important for argies. Intelligence is NOT an argie strong point.
@14 I think you mean psychotic giggling!
@20 Echazú can “expect” all he likes. However, the evidence is that cruise lines, influenced by passengers, avoid argieland. “Foot shoot own in” comes to mind. Chuckle, chuckle.
@30 Go on then. Get a loan from the IMF or World Bank. Who's in the way? Oh yes, the UK and USA.
@33 Trouble with your uneducated view is this. Gibraltar is “associated” with Britain. An attack on Gibraltar is an attack on Britain. I don't notice anyone leaping forward to “support” Spain.
@39 Go read the UN Charter, dimwit. Try Article 74. And, just to clarify, self-determination DOES overwhelm “territorial integrity”.
@45 Hohohoho. Wanker©.
@54 What about the 120,000 people in Punta Arenas? How about Porvenir? How about Cerro Sombrero? Have all those people “disappeared”? And who makes people “disappear”?
@29 Islas M
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess your comment is referring to my post. I thought I would answer your question. In fact, I do live in the Falkland Islands. I live and work in Stanley. I was born here too. And my family go back many generations in the Falkland Islands.
(And are we really to believe that Buenos Aires will give the jewel in their fascist colonialist crown that they can never wear should that cold day in hell ever happen to a hick governor at the “end of the world?”)
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is the proven murderer el Gaucho Rivera a national hero of Argentina?
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Justthefacts
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent suggestion, I have a feeling Puerto Williams has a bright future.
For ppl who didn't already know, Puerto Williams is geographically the world's southernmost city and another part of South America with a strong British connection, named after Bristol born John Williams Wilson.
I may visit one day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Williams
Here is the wikipedia history of el gaucho Rivera.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucho_Rivero
@59, INDEC is doing their tourism stats now. It will soon be a crime to question THOSE numbers as well.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#30
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That is what happens when “childish” politics get in the way. The UK certainly, threatening Spain on the tourism front, stooped to Spain's level.”
I think you are getting confused with what some newspapers are saying and attributing this to the UK government.
The UK government has no powers to stop it's citizens visiting Spain.
If we choose to go there, we are entirely at liberty to do so. It is a personal choice. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office COULD issue advisory warnings that it would be dangerous to visit certain areas due to possible attacks on British citizens. This would make holiday insurance impossible to obtain and effectively close down the package holiday business.
Tink - you are so Argentine - so good at distorting fascts! the 23,00 passengers lost last year were assuming those ships 100% full - many times they are no and the majority of those losses were due to Weather- ie strong winds preventing landings.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we lost a few ships and a few thousand to your politics - but I recall several large cruise liners who came to Stanley and then missed out- where? - Ushuaia - and went to Chile instead.
Those who cancelld Stanley because of politics last year have this season CONFIRMED that they will- weather permitting - call at Stanley.
I ecallseveral liners who told Ushuai they were going to Chile next - sailed across the dividing line in the Beagle Channel- stopped engines and took onboard Chilean Customs - who stamped them IN - and -OUT of Chile - and on they came to Stanley.
I recall others who went- Buenos Aires- Montevideo- then asked their passengers - Puerto Madryn or Stanley? - and on they came direct to Stanley.
Sorry FACTS - not fiction and dreams - tell us that last year your plans had a limited initial effect - and then largely blew up in your faces.
Even to the extent that your Chubut authorities later made it clear that they welcomed ALL cruise liners regardless of flags.
As for the logistics facilities in Ushuaia - I understand the ships chandler here was very busy solving the problems of cruise vessels who either loaded inedible low standard trash as fresh produce there - or refused to pay the extortianate ripoff prices. Apparently he even ended up selling Carrots- of Argentine origen,imported from Uruguay to ships because said Argentine carrots were far more expensive to buy in Argentina than they were here!
Let us see just what does happen this coming summer.
“There are very few inhabitants of the Islas Malvinas who were born in the Islas Malvinas. But for us, they are Argentinian citizens”
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hector Timerman - Wed 6 Feb 2013
As Argentina classes the Falkland Islanders as Argentine citizens. Marcelo Echazú (head of the Tierra del Fuego Tourism Institute), by announcing the “Gaucho Rivero” bill will be fully enforced, is attempting to damage his fellow provincial citizens tourism, in the FI !
Anyone see the irony? Is he an idiot?
Given a choice of Ushuaia or the Falklands, I would opt for the Falklands. Cruise passengers should have the opportunity to visit both without interference.
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77“There are very few inhabitants of the Islas Malvinas who were born in the Islas Malvinas.“
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Anyone see the irony? Is he an idiot?”
You do Steve, Gollum doesn't.
Assuming Gollum means the Falkland Islands, the majority of the population were born there.
He seems to know SFA about a country 400 miles away from Argentina, that he claims to be his.
No wonder Argentina is disappearing down the gurgler.
More lies and fairy tales!
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucho_Rivero
I think it is so cute to name a law after Gaucho Rivero, the leader of a murderous gang who killed five of Luis Vernet's agents, among them Don Ventura Pasos, the nephew of the distinguished Argentine Don Juan Jose Pasos who was himself a member of the Triumvirate which governed in the early part of the emancipation from Spain.
Oct 04th, 2013 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair to TDF it is probably a more interesting stop, even if it is only because you are more likely to be murdered, raped, mugged or menaced by “workers” who object to you docking in their port. Interesting does not equal pleasant, what is that Chinese curse “may you live in interesting time”. Heyho welcome to 21st century Argentina. No seriously you're welcome to it, anyone?, anyone?
Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm having spent 2 days in Ushuaia last year I would most certainly choose the Falklands and South Georgia over this hole. It also plays into the hands of Chile and Punta Arenas which also hopes to become the centre for cruise ships in the area. It's also I might add a much nicer town!
Oct 04th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The article seeks to describe Ushuaia as some cosmopolitan city at the end of the world with amazing facilities and yachts bobbing in the bay. The main street is ok and there's a couple of sights of interest but otherwise it is a dirty and run down place. Fun Irish bar mind! Most of the locals live there due to the tax incentives to do so. However the Beagle channel is a delight and the people throughout Argentina were very friendly and helpful. Perhaps some of the Argie posters on here might want to go meet some of them and learn something.
(83) CVT
Oct 04th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“However the Beagle channel is a delight and the people throughout Argentina were very friendly and helpful. Perhaps some of the Argie posters on here might want to go meet some of them and learn something.”
I say...:
Very friendly and helpful with foreigners we Argies are...., indeed.
But, precisely as our English friends from far away, we dont befriend or assist haughty invading Angelsächsische Huns deprived of decency and good manners.....
@84
Oct 04th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0POT KETTLE BLACK springs to mind here. ”.. invading Anglesachsische... when have the aforementioned invaded Argentina?
Oh dear our resident Skandahovian hoarse whisperer is showing its true colours of Fasist racism A Quisling refugee family from Norway perhaps?
Oct 05th, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@84
Oct 05th, 2013 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0In further evidence El Thinko doesn't get irony, here we have Don Haughty himself decrying haughtiness.
According to wiki:
Oct 05th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trouble once again began to brew in the 1960s, when Argentina began to claim that the Picton, Lennox and Nueva islands in the Beagle Channel were rightfully theirs, although this was in direct contradiction of the 1881 treaty, as the Beagle Channel Arbitration, and the initial Beagle Channel cartography since 1881 stated.
Both countries submitted the controversy to binding arbitration by the international tribunal. The decision (see Beagle Channel Arbitration between the Republic of Argentina and the Republic of Chile, Report and Decision of the Court of Arbitration) recognized all the islands to be Chilean territory. Argentina unilaterally repudiated the decision of the tribunal and planned a war of aggression against Chile.[7]
There's a recurring Argentine theme here. No you low life scumballs, you will NOT have our Falklands.
Ah, the 'Murdering coward' law.
Oct 06th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The reason for the lack of direct communications with Argentina was that ships wishing to enter Argentine ports could not do so if their last port of call had been in the Falkland Islands... ”
Oct 07th, 2013 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0That quote is from a statement made to the C24 ................... in 1964!
Didn't work then, ain't likely to work now.
@81
Oct 09th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, they seem to have airbrushed the citizens from Buenos Aires who chose to stay on the Falklands in 1833 (under British rule) out of history-too embarrassed to admit the truth.
@89
They still won't admit that in 1833 Rivero chose British administration rather than return to South America-that would be too embarrassing.
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