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Cristina Fernandez accuses “part of US judiciary” of wanting Argentina to default

Friday, October 4th 2013 - 17:05 UTC
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Argentine President Cristina Fernandez has accused part of the United States judiciary of wishing to take Argentina “to default”, comparing Argentina’s situation with that which currently faces US counterpart Barack Obama. Read full article

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  • LEPRecon

    “Just because someone loaned us the money in good faith, didn't mean that we would pay it back, even though we promised we would! They're picking on us! Wah Wah!”

    Cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it, Cristina.

    No one cares about Argentina. End of.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    And we don't care about the world.

    So why you get mad when we cooperate in nothing?

    Live with it. That's all you can do.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    This sorry story needs bringing to an end, the Argentine economy needs to be euthanased and the country needs a new start with decent people at the helm.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yes....they are against Argentina for following the law....imagine that.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @4

    A law we don't recognize, “your” laws, nor any that come from outside our borders. End of story.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    tell my why your asshole president is spending money on US lawyers than? Just save the money and default.

    I can't decide if you are truly just an ignorant chauvinist or a stupid ass.....do you know?

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sigi76

    #5 speak for yourself! Who is us?

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Having lived in Argentina for many years, it is national pride to have one over your neighbours , rightly or wrongly. They do not care a jot what the world thinks it is only FUCK YOU JACK IM ALRIGHT. trouble comes when the neighbours say enough is enough. SELF DETERMINATION FOR THE FALKLANDS

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @5 TP

    “nor any laws that come from outside our borders”

    Does the CFK administration ever call on foreign countries to recognize international law?

    On the outside chance that the CFK does sometimes make speeches in an international arena “demanding” certain countries recognize international laws,

    then, of course, the CFK administration recognizes laws outside of Argentina's borders.

    Also, when Argentina signed those bond agreements in New York, did they at that time qualify that signature with a note underneath that said,

    “we will sign and accept this legal agreement but, 'Argentina recognizes no laws outside it's own borders'”. Were both sides in the agreement aware of this condition?

    Or did Argentina omit that condition during the agreement discussions so that they could get people to buy their bonds?

    If other countries ignored Argentinian law, this would not matter to you, right?

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @9
    Your last statement
    ” If other countries ignored Argentinian Law, They ( Argentinians do not respect their own laws, why would you expect them to respect other countries laws. )Please feel free to expand on my statement.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    @2 The Truth PaTroll

    Your arrogance is unbelievable!

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    “A law we don't recognize, “your” laws, nor any that come from outside our borders. End of story.”

    yes its a mental disorder called optional ignorance, based on whether they need aid/loans at the time or if its time to pay up! ........I just call it plain THEFT
    .......“End of Story” ?? that's wishful thinking, buckle up its going to get bumpy!

    SELF-DETERMINATION.......by default!

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gonzo22

    No one like you Cristina, thank you for being the president of my country!

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    13)Cant you see people here from all of the world shitting themselves with laughter at Argentina every day you stupid fool because of this lunatic thief and cronies you have voted for???

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    @11 Gordo1 Arrogance exactly! typical Argentine response, they will never admit they are wrong, and will invent a lie to try and get out of it, but they are the only ones that end up believing their own lies, that is the reason they are still believing their lies about the Falklands.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gonzo22

    @ 14 You care because you don't know what you are. You're ashamed of being Argentine, I don't have any respect for someone like you.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2, 5 Oh dear, I find it difficult to come up with words that describe your attitude other than “arrogance” or crass stupidity. There is no “end of story” in the sense that you believe. But, actually, CFK may, in a sense, be right. Start your “thought” processes with some articles. Be sure that you read them in their entirety because it may be important for you, personally.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariah_state
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariah_state
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariah_state
    Can you see beyond the immediate? “They have already done this to me, in 2010,” I don't recall that. Wasn't it done to her party, her government, her country? But now she sees it as “personal”. “we will not be watching with our arms folded“. I'd say that hands will be behind backs with fingers firmly crossed. Thinking about the progression of this matter, it has mostly been characterised by your pitiful ”president“ screaming ”We will not“ to the world. I suggest that major parts of the international community have finally had enough of argieland and CFK. You invade, occupy, ”fight“ and lose a war, break laws left, right and centre, ride roughshod over other people and, basically, walk off saying ”Can't touch us“. Perhaps a way has been found to ”touch“ you. Always a mistake to tell a judicial establishment that it's out of order before its even considered the case. Feel free to scream insults at the judge as you get hauled into court. In this case, the New York State judiciary has jurisdiction and there is nothing you can do about it. It would be a good time to be humble. But you won't be, will you? So pleased. Looking forward to ”seeing“ you run straight into a brick wall and mash your face flat. Experience ”the world“ picking over your ”assets“ and taking what it fancies. Spend your time estimating how much of your US$95 billion debts you still have to pay. Especially when the ”restructured” bondholders step up and kick your balls as long deserved.

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    5. Unfortunately for Argentina, you recognized NY law and gave up sovereignty rights when you issued bonds in U$ in NYC.
    Too bad
    So sad
    Pay up losers

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    16)Ohh what a Muppet !!!! I’ll tell you what I’m ashamed of, and that is being represented by a moronic, kleptomaniac, improvised, corrupt, smoke selling whore and her gangs of backsidelicking thefts and that includes you

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    @ 19 getting your feathers ruffled!! ha ha

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura

    20)What makes you say that ?

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    “But the Argentine president was defiant: “we will not be watching with our arms folded“.”

    WTF? Can anybody interpret that little gem please?

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    sorry was meant for 16

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    @13 Don't worry CFK's cheque for you is in the mail - hope it arrives safely!

    Oct 04th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @13 To paraphrase your words Bonzo “ No one like you Galtieri.Thank you for being president of my country, general”

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”“”“”“”“@2 The Truth PaTroll

    Your arrogance is unbelievable!”“”“”“”“”

    His stupidity more so...

    “”“”“”“”“”“A law we don't recognize, “your” laws, nor any that come from outside our borders. End of story.”“”“”

    funny how your great leaders keep running to the UN then...

    oh my, Sheldon, your genius has blown your feet away...

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • War Monkey

    20 Falkland Islands (#)
    Oct 04th, 2013 - 09:07 pm

    Read carefully and you will find that you have friends in Argentina.

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce!

    @22

    “WTF? Can anybody interpret that little gem please?”

    I think someone posted the answer to your question a few days ago.

    http://youtu.be/xtXH5w0Q5ug

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • british bomber

    America is forcing the rgs to default with this court case. They should get singer out of it and put sanctions on rg until they pay the 93%.

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    CFK should become a scarecrow.

    She loiks like one and would finally become useful.

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    oh dear rgenweener always the victim and TTT doesn't care about the rest of the world from his sanctuary in Canada, what a two faced ignorant idiot, when was the last time you saw rgenweeners borders? END OF

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @27 Have to agree. But then, amongst 41 million, you'd expect to find a few sane, intelligent, rational, reasonable people. “Simon68” always comes to mind. For me, “friends” in argieland are characterised as “Argentines”. Unfortunately, I don't agree with Simon about how many Argentines there are. I believe that if there were as many as he reckons, CFK would be skidding down a stony track on her arse.
    @29 Beg pardon? Singer seems to be doing okay. What is needed is to keep going. Governments sometimes give up too easily. What is needed is a judgement that requires argieland to pay everyone. The 7% and the 93%. And that is something that every decent nation should support and enforce. That's the time for the sanctions. To make sure nothing gets in or out of argieland. A UN Security Council resolution. With additional direct and immediate sanctions on anyone breaching the resolution. No “assistance” from surrounding countries. Or any of argieland's “pariah” friends. To make sure that CFK and all her cronies realise that there is no way out. And time for all members of the “government” and their “associates” are investigated for “squirrelled” assets. Use the same technology as archeologists use. Ground radar, resistance and so on. Check cellars, bunkers, vaults. Seize everything. Demand (a favourite argie word!) accounts to show whether any assets are legitimate. And let's not to forget about prosecution. That should ensure that those like CFK, Timerman, Puricelli will never need money again!

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    tell us again why you don't go home TTT

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @13
    “No one like you Cristina, thank you for being the president of my country!”

    It's bad for decent Argentines, but Christina has been like a priceless gift for the Falkland Islands Government and to be fair so has Timerman.

    Even though there is no possibility other than by a successful invasion by the Argentines to get the Falkland Islands, your 'great' president has done her best to ensure the Falkland Islands will never become Argentine.

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    Uhuuuuu!
    have a sobsister-biscuit.

    Oct 05th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • british bomber

    But if singer keeps on then no one will get paid. Singer just wants payment for himself.

    Oct 06th, 2013 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    CFK doesn't know that members of the judiciary wants Argentina to default, I would be very surprised if any of them want to do that.

    It is however obvious that an element of the judiciary think that Argentina should pay their debts.

    I can't decide if the fact that CFK can't tell the difference is because she is stupid or a paranoid delusional. Could it be both?

    Oct 06th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @36 And? Let's see now. Who is going to impose your proposed sanctions? The United States? The United Nations? Notice how “easy” it was to get a “sanctions” resolution on Syria passed by the Security Council? Then there's the United States' sanctions on Cuba. The UN sanctions against Iraq after the First Gulf War. U.S. sanctions against Iran. Sanctions against North Korea. All highly successful.....NOT! Just what are all the other bondholders doing to help? Perhaps a win by Singer would enable them to grow some balls! Remember that there was no “negotiation” on the restructuring. A case of duress? Perhaps a court would rule that it was void. That would open the way for the other bondholders to demand all their money. Let's try something simple. Seems that Elliott Management already had US$630 million of argie bonds when argieland defaulted in 2002. The bonds are now worth US$2.3 billion. Elliott refused argieland's “offer” of 30 cents on the dollar. Only one government objected to argieland's theft. Italy. It was a time for every government of bondholders to tell argieland to be honest or else. What did they do? Nothing. Why didn't the bondholders get together and fight? Instead, it seems to have been left to one man. And now you want him to give up when argieland is on the ropes?

    Oct 06th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    So happy SCOTUS turned them down. Now NY Appeals will turn them down.
    The jig is up better get the helicopter ready

    Oct 07th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @39 Yep, I can't see NY Appeals agreeing to a review when Scotus has declined. Judge Griesa has already blocked the new debt-swap bill as an attempt to evade his previous orders. Unless anyone can think of alternatives, it looks as though argieland has reached the end of the road. Two options now. Pay up or defy the court. If argieland pays up, it must open the gate to all the other judgements in the U.S. and U.K. that argieland has so far refused to comply with. The judgement by the 2nd Circuit will almost certainly be taken as precedent. If argieland defies the court, would it not become extremely unlikely that it would be able to issue other bonds under U.S. law. Might make it impossible for argieland to issue bonds virtually anywhere in the world. Anyone fancy buying bonds issued under argie, Iranian, “latam” or North Korean law?

    Oct 07th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    39 yankeeboy

    Yes, it's all going swimmingly as we say.

    GLUG, GLUG.

    Ha, ha, ha.

    Oct 07th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Well said Cristinita, these banksters don't mind causing a bit of mass human suffering after all, do they...

    Oct 10th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Well look who's back.....the living stain in the sheets.

    Oct 10th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    43 Captain Poppy

    I think he's the “clot” off TMBOA “brain” or a sock puppet of The Lunatic of Chew Butt.

    Funny how he has turned up at this moment.

    Oct 10th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yes....now that you mention it, stink does make sense as an alter ego. But truly you jest of him being her clot. You think he comes that close to any brain?

    Oct 10th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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