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Malvinas claim mentioned at 65th anniversary celebration of Anglo-Argentine Society in London
Argentine ambassador in London Alicia Castro underlined the “very deep friendship and understanding links” that exist between Britain and Argentina and also reiterated the need for dialogue in the Malvinas Islands question. The occasion was the 65 anniversary of the Anglo-Argentine Society which was celebrated at the Argentine embassy in London. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesExtraordinary diplomacy. Next time we're dining with the French lets chat about Calais lol
Oct 13th, 2013 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Fatso reiterated the need for dialogue in the Malvinas Islands question.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0What? more Bongo?
When Timerman was offered a meating he turned it down because he suffer under the misapprehension that Argentina somehow has the right to determine who may participate in the United Kingdom's team.
She is making herself more and more unwelcome here in the UK every time she opens her mouth.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Oct 13th, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You called?
No islanders no dialogue, better get the charcoal order in for next year.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicken or pasta?
Oct 13th, 2013 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is a peaceful and democratic country which has a special interest in promoting human rights”
Oct 13th, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you, Alicia. And this would be the same peaceful and democratic Argentina which firmly believes that :
- the Falklanders must be excluded from any talks on the Falklands
- it is illegal for Falklanders to express any opinion on their political governance
- Falklanders do not enjoy the fundamental human rights defined by the UN
- decolonization is the process whereby a claimed territory is transferred to the claimed inheritors of the claimed rights of one former colonial claimant, against the democratically expressed wishes of the inhabitants.
- an event that didn't happen in 1833 is of much greater import than one that did happen in 1982
She is desperate, just clasping on to anything she can to try and further their doomed cause.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does she actually get paid to do what she does?
Oct 13th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah and she gets to put, Ambassador to the Court of St James, on her CV.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0She can a job with any airline with that.
May I beas bold as to suggest that she has never read, or if she has, she does not understand the following quote taken from the website of the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Paragraph 52 of:
Oct 13th, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/53/5595.pdf
“52. Furthermore, the subsequent development of international law in
regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them. ”
Read it and weep Malvis'.
“underlined the “very deep friendship and understanding links” that exist between Britain and Argentina”
Oct 13th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a very outdated statement. It should read “very deep and understanding links that might once have existed between Britain and where argies live”. Ms Castro might think that “understanding links” is the same as “friendship”. It isn't. Argieland gave up “friendship” in 1829. Over time, argieland has made many mistakes. Relying on a papal bull that was ridiculed from the moment it was issued is one. Attempting to redefine the scope of the Arana-Southern Treaty is another. The worst took place in 1982. NO-ONE in Britain will EVER forget that we lost 255 brave men. And 3 Falkland Islanders. As a state, argieland has never done itself any favours. Those deaths, and the continued argie illicit “claim”, makes “friendship” impossible. Our government may want “links”. That's okay. We have no problem “screwing” argieland for everything we can get out of it. But we “understand” argies. Part of “friendship” is “trust”. Argies can't be trusted. I'd rather cut an argie's throat than shake its hand. And that's why the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands and the entire British Antarctic Territory will remain British until there is a legitimate change. And the only legitimate change will be Falkland Islands independence!
@9
Oct 13th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Does she actually get paid to do what she does?”
Perhaps but if there's a bonus applicable to someone whose actions, work result in the Falkland islands being handed over to Argentina, then she'll miss out.
Of course as Argentina rewards people just for mentioning Argentina's claim,(and for losing) she could be getting her overseas account nicely wadded every time she mentions the claim.
Patagonia was settled by the british before those Argies came down from the north, unless they killed them all like the native indians, then there is not a lot Argentina can do..
Oct 13th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to agree though that she is funny, and probably mentally deficient by accepted advanced countries standards.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Among those attending the occasion were members of Parliament
Oct 13th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That really says it all, does it not ??
And yet one wonders if this was in southern Argentina,
Talking abt the sovereignty and independence of Patagonia,
If CFK would be so gracious,
Still,
It seems anyone and everyone can come here and insult us,
Alas without a backbone,
What can one do…
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Hey up Conqueror - did you go to gay parade you big sexy drag queen that you are! Las Malvinas son Argentinas my gay friend! Hugs and kisses xxx
Oct 13th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peace and compassion for all
Diego
Most Brits regard Argyland as an enemy state, which of course it is.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Brit invaded us 4 times.
Oct 13th, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain hasn't invaded the modern Argentine state once, learn your history. Your country on the other hand has invaded British territory.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and your very well entrenched troops got booted out of said territory by a smaller force of British forces.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Embarrasing to say the least.
17 This isn't a dating agency site. Think and Isolde were previously acquainted.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Brits just lucky...
Oct 14th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Great Falklands Gamble Revealed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsmzf57op50
The only one that believe that UK forces can prevent and Argie invasion is Admiral Lord Alan West.
OOps!! he lost his ship under Argentine air force shooting training.
The era of Argentina - Europe friendship is long over. That was before 2001.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#23 Why don't you and your group of whining irredentist friends try if you think it will be so easy?
Oct 14th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only way Argentina could currently take the Falklands would be through a massed attack costing likely tens of thousands of casualties.
Of course, such tactics wouldn't surprise since (a) the Argentine government doesn't seem to give a damn about the people of Argentina and (b) there are probably enough brainwashed young men and women who will think it glorious to march to their deaths to “recover” the “Malvinas”.
@inthegutter
Oct 14th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever heard about missiles that can reach certain distance as 1k k and cause big holes?
Ok I know, it is not so clean and then you have to give some explanation about some unwanted casualties. But works for US and UK why not for Argentina?
Just asking because you seem to be an expert on this field or am I wrong?
@23
Oct 14th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There’s no denying, the 82 victory was a mighty impressive effort given the logistics involved.
Today of course things are different; the FCO no longer feels obliged to offload or coerce far flung empire dots to nasty neighbours against the local will. Besides, the UN Charter - and Mount Pleasant - more than adequately protects their rights to be free.
If you have any issue then simply present your case to the ICJ. Tip: good Lawyers who specialise in this sort of work are extremely expensive - you have to pay for your own costs unfortunately. So don't waste the IJC's time if you have a very, very, very weak case.
Brits were just lucky.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol.
What? To win the Battle of Goose Green.
Win the Battle of Mount Tumbledown.
Win the Battle of Mount Longdon.
Win the Battle of mount Harriet.
Win the Battle of Twin Sisters.
Win the Battle of Wireless Ridge.
Win the Battle to Recapture South Georgia.
Lucky fellas those Brits, or maybe it was because your soldiers were useless and could not fight for shit, even with two months to prepare for it!
@28. I need to borrow one of you guys the next time we do Vegas. Luck like that needs to be put towards the greater good.. like me.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently argentina did see many [ firsts] in the Falklands war to their credit,
Oct 14th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First to lose a plane
First to leave the Falklands
First defeat in decades
Ah to be first ..lol
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Perhaps Castro hasn't studied International Law and Territorial claims?
Oct 14th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because, 'a state's right under International Law to acquire a non-self-governing territory against the will of the people under the theory of 'historical ties' is severely circumscribed. When applied to a non-self-governing territory the requirements are strict; it requires proof of continuous, important and formal ties of a political and economic nature in the few instances where it has successfully defeated the right of the inhabitants to self-determination.'
Hence, the right of self-determination applies to ALL non-self-governing territories.
Pages 51 and 58 refer:
http://www2.nycbar.org/pdf/report/uploads/20072264-WesternSaharaDispute--SelfDeterminationMoroccosLegalClaims.pdf
they will still be doing this 500 years from now,
Oct 14th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0moan moan moan.
still
its all good fun.
#26 Your comment doesn't really make sense as usual but I suspect you're referring to the use of stand-off weapons such as cruise missiles et al.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure if Argentina could afford these it could use them to attack the Falklands, however, (a) our air defences (particularly on the T45s) are capable of defending against these weapons (b) we have a lot more than Argentina, and ours can be launched from our submarines, which can hide out of range of any of your weaponry. Do you really think if Argentina launched cruise missiles against the Falklands it wouldn't elicit a devastating response.
The Argentine government is too cowardly (or sensible, knowing they'd lose) to take their claim to the ICJ, Argentina's armed forces too weak to fight against us, and I don't think the inhabitants of the Falklands will be voting join Argentina anytime soon.
So, in conclusion, you're never gonna get the Falklands. Must feel pretty rubbish to have the one thing you really want so out of reach.
Haw haw haw....no comment at all...laughing so hard...!!
Oct 14th, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@inthegutter
Oct 15th, 2013 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we have a lot more than Argentina”
Yes, you are talking about debt, right?
@31 Brit Bob
Oct 15th, 2013 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The entire ICJ advisory on the Western Sahara Case is available here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6195.pdf
I particularly like paragraph 54
“54. The Charter of the United Nations, in Article 1, paragraph 2, indicates, as one of the purposes of the United Nations: ”To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples . . .” This purpose is further developed in Articles 55 and 56 of the Charter. Those provisions have direct and particular relevance for non-self-governing territories, which are dealt with in Chapter XI of the Charter. As the Court stated in its Advisory Opinion of 21 June 1971 on The Legal Consequences for States of the Continued Presence of South Africa in Namibia (South West Africa) notwithstanding Security Council Resolution 276 (1 970) :
“. . . the subsequent development of international law in regard to
non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United
Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of
them” (I.C.J. Reports 1971, p. 31).”
I particularly like that word 'all' at the end of the quote!
#35 Oh Dany, how droll of you. If you want to play that game, here are few other things that the UK has more than Argentina:
Oct 15th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0- Nobel Prize Winners.
- GDP
- Years of life expectancy.
And of course, the only reason why Argentina isn't crippled by debt is that it reneged on it.
@36
Oct 15th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers mate.
@ 38
Oct 15th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should I ever be in Southampton again, the last time was 1973, I'll buy you a pint, or two!
*28 Come on!! They were all young conscripts fighting a professional British army..no match whatsoever.....The only ones that showed their professionalism was the Argentine airforce. On top The British had the backing of the USA with their satelites and top gadgets.
Oct 16th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Oct 16th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a bit inaccurate about your last claim, especially as Argentina had 10x the help that Britain got. Chile actually provided much more intelligence than the US did, most American intelligence was useless anyway and was in itself rather hollow given that the US told the Argies, Britain was coming and knew full well that the Argies would invade.
Gadgets? Sidewinder I presume? The UK already had those in stock and made an order for more. Most of which weren't even used.
Just-published South Georgia SSI September News:
Oct 16th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Fishing Vessel Safety
- GSGSSI Annual Report Published
- Fishing And Shipping News
- HMS Richmond On Patrol
- Update Marine Protected Areas Management Plan
- Fly Through A Whaling Station
- Science Floating About On An Ice Floe
- Sculptor In Residence
- A Cold Start To True love
- What Language Do Desert Penguins Speak?
- Bird Island Diary
- South Georgia Snippets
http://www.sgisland.gs
#40
Oct 16th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the accounts of the campaign before you post any more dross.
Argentina's top marine battalion was defending Mt.Tumbledown.
Your Naval frigates were equipped with exocet missiles. Your aircraft carrier had a strike wing. They all did a bunk at the first sign of trouble.
The Sidewinders were part of NATO stock and were effectual because of the skill of the Harrier pilots. Although supposed “all aspect launch missiles”, they were fired at disappearing Arg. aircraft from the rear.
Your lot had Matra Magic ( equivalent to the Sidewinder) missiles which could have done the same thing but your team, (not conscripts), were obviously out flown by the better side.
In the air-to air battle, the Argentine Air Force was hammered and failed to make one kill. They could not even intercept and hit a Vulcan although it is the size of a house!
Israel, Brazil and Venezuela helped Argentina with material and information.
As Connor has said, the USA gave details of the UK's proposed recapture of S. Georgia which was rather unfriendly.
43 Clyde15
Oct 16th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the USA gave details of the UK's proposed recapture of S. Georgia”
Yes, Raygun Ronnie didn't want the argies “humiliated”, but there again he was in the initial stages of dementia.
@43;
Oct 16th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 BIM on Tumbledown, and 7th Inf Rgt with elements of BIM (Argentine Marines) on Longdon. (If I remember right)
Tremendous achievment against heavily dug-in regular defenders, by 3 Para, and The Scots Guards.
amazing in 2013 to still find such a bunch of pathetic war mongering retrobates talking absolute nonsense about an insignifcant little war that happened 30 years ago - you should your time more productively seeking to help the families of those who died on both sides
Oct 16th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46
Oct 16th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Errr...........Moral Fucking High ground much?
@40
Oct 16th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You had USA mercenaries fighting for you.
What 'state of the art' USA kit was used at Goose Green, Tumbledown, Mt Harriet, Mt Longdon, Wireless Ridge, Two Sisters etc, etc)?
Nothing to do with the fact our soldiers were volunteers? Why did Argentina have to use conscripts if everyone wanted to fight for the Falklands? The truth is, when it came to it, they didn't so the Argentines had to make people go.
The Argentine Skyhawks/ Hercules/Amtracks/Chinooks/Bell Huey choppers were from the USA, as was a lot of Argentine kit.
@46
It wasn't insignificant because it liberated oppressed people against a fascist dictatorship.
You will understand if you ever get invaded by a bunch of fascists that take away your rights. You would be the first to winge at wanting to be liberated, like every oppressed people there has ever been.
Some of us contribute a lot to ex-servicemen's charities which help just those families-but you are wrong to say we should not be proud of and remember those who died for freedom, and released a bullied people from a fascist dictatorship.
Facists always prefer to forget their defeats. The Falklands War was a humiliating defeat for Argyland.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You all live in the past talking about killing and death as though it should be celebrated - may you be filled with compassion and loving kindness for your fellow human beings
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0#50 Tell that to Argentina, a country which continues to celebrate its failed attempt at subjugating a foreign population which cost the lives of more than 1000 people, and billions in resources that could have been better. This is the same country which continues to this day to claim the Falklands against the wishes of their rightful inhabitants. A country which uses nationalist rhetoric to try and economically strangle some few thousands people. A country that has made no apologies and has made no effort to remove the thousands of landmines it left.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't speak for everyone on here, but it is clear that most who post here do not celebrate killing and death, but the defence of a people against foreign subjugation. We remember the bravery of all those who fought and mourn those that died. LEST WE FORGET.
50 But it was such a humiliating defeat, you must wake up every morning and wish you were British.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0We should never forget those who lost their lives (on both sides) but you all need to rise above the bravado about killing, death and so called victory - drop the blame and hate for something that happened so long ago and develop compassion and forgiveness - we are all human beings in this together and must resolve our differences peacefully
Oct 17th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does anybody know whether I am British or Argentine or some other label?
#53 I certainly feel compassion for those who were effectively sent to their deaths. As for forgiveness, it's a little more tricky. I, personally, don't hold any grudge against the Argentine people and I know the Junta is long gone.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, the current Argentine government CONTINUES to ACTIVELY pursue a policy which is aimed at undermining the economy of the Falklands and generally making the islanders lives. Asking for forgiveness in this context is a bit like a mugger asking for forgiveness while he empties your pockets.
Does that make sense?
53
Oct 17th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its instinctive.
here we go again
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#56 “here we go again” - what does that mean?
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#53
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does anybody know whether I am British or Argentine or some other label?
Because on this forum British people declare their nationality ?
If you do not then we make the not unreasonable assumption that YOU are not.
you need strength and courgage - step up
Oct 17th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#59 sigh, it sounds like you have nothing useful to say.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 059 El Diego (#) it s a sad thing that people of both sides had to fight it what was a brutal war. But I don't see what choice the UK had but to fight back, Argentina had every chance to pipe down a bit but didn't, the history of islands is hazy at best and I don't think argentines had enough reason to drag unarmed people out of their homes. I really doubt that many argentines would want to live there anyway, its cold,wet and windy just like the UK
Oct 18th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were invaders, no sympathy for their dead!
Oct 18th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina and UK are superb countries with great cultured peoples. I love you both
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