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Catholic Church beatifies 522 priests and nuns killed by Republicans in the Spanish civil war
The Roman Catholic Church in Spain has beatified 522 people, most of them priests and nuns killed by Republicans during the Spanish Civil War. Thousands of people attended the outdoor event in Tarragona, presided over by a senior Vatican cardinal. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell they are dead, that's it, end of story.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0It shows just how foul those unnamed 'Left Wing groups' are that they would object to a ceremony to honour those killed by socialists. I suppose if we stopped to honour all those killed by socialists of various hues, we would never get anything done.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Catholic Church managed to ignore the millions being murdered in the Second World War by their friends the Nazi's, without lifting a finger to help, yet in the Spanish Civil War they got involved in politics.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These Catholic priests and nuns shouldn't have been involved in the civil war to begin with, and one would think that you'd have to actually 'do' something, other than die, to be set upon the road to sainthood.
The timing of this is also suspect. 1st they decided to make saints out of 3 popes who were anything BUT saints, and now they're beautifying a bunch of fascist supporters. It appears that the Church is trying to divert attention away from something - sounds familiar.
However, I wonder if they'll beautify the nuns who were murdered by the fascist Junta in Argentina, or can you only be beautified if you support fascists, and not oppose them.
@3 Why would a nun be beautified?
Oct 14th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also seem to know the circumstances that led to these 522 people being murdered, and say that they shouldn't have been involved in the Civil War, but the Civil War involved them regardless, as they were murdered during it. Have you not noticed how socialism and murder are closely linked? The socialists were murdering them because of their beliefs and positions, not because they were combatants. Mind you, I would accept that in Croatia a few years later, there were clearly murderous priests supporting the Ustashe.
You say that the timing is suspect, but the killing is not disputed? You really are either mad or bad, perhaps you would wish to clarify which appellation suits you.
The murdered nuns in Argentina, well what would you expect from the vicious lunacies that are the legacy of Peronism?
According to this story the nuns are being beautified.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't dispute that the killings took place, and I take your point that they may not have actually been involved politically, and were just victims.
What I do dispute is the timing of these 'beautifications' by the Catholic Church as a way of distracting the masses from their corruption and child abuse allegations. Getting the faithful excited about this, hoping that it will make them forget everything else.
My point IS why are they being beautified (which is necessary on the road to sainthood?). What did they ACTUALLY do, other than get murdered at the hands of socialists, that would make them potential candidates for sainthood?
Just like the 3 popes, all of whom have been beautified and are being considered for sainthood DESPITE the fact that they turned a blind eye to the child abuse and the corruption being done by Priests and Nuns alike.
Ignoring a sin could be considered a sin in itself. Standing aside and watching and NOT CONDEMNING, whilst millions of people were murdered in the Nazi Death Camps is a sin too.
This whole thing smacks of corruption.
But then again I'm biased. I was one of the children that suffered physical abuse and torture at the hands of priests and nuns. Personally I hope the whole Catholic Church rots in hell.
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Oct 14th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brave man to post the final paragraph, I salute you.
@ 5 Firstly, it's all nonsense (to me anyway) that some bloke in a frock can make anyone a saint or beatify them, it is just drivel with no basis in reality.
Oct 14th, 2013 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, those murdered by socialists number over 100,000,000 in the 20th Century, and it should not be forgotten that in Spain, the socialists murdered many, unfortunately for them, their intended victims fought back in kind and prevailed. However, to kill a non-combatant (presumably all nuns and priests were such) strikes me as a particularly foul crime, and a crime that in the eyes of that Church, makes them martyrs for their faith, so beatification is an understandable response. I can see considerable force in an argument that if they were killed for what they were, without being challenged to abandon their faith, then there is no 'merit' in a martyrdom arising from misfortune rather than defiance.
The Catholic Church in WW2, well, the Ustashe in Croatia were the low point. I have to say that they deserved to face Tito's camps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustaše#Ethnic_and_religious_persecution
I can imagine what you might have gone through, a parent of mine was educated by nuns, who were, it seems, at the very least harsh, brutal and unpleasant from what little was discussed of those times. I went to a Church of England school, a recipe for profound indifference, and it was a model of tolerance.
Hmmm, wonder why the Pope's parents left Italy? Rightwing skeletons in the closet perhaps? Of course being brought up in Argentina is not exactly going to aid in bringing a more sensitive approach to the civil war.
Oct 15th, 2013 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope all those being beatified were not priests and nuns though, since the article mentions descendants being there!
Ken Loach seemed to believe there were priest snipers and informers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qBgd1kP-8I
If the church wants to beatified them good for them end of story!!
Oct 15th, 2013 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CAN THE LAST ONE OUT TURN OFF THE BLOODY LIGHTS!!
So, only the leftist killed have the right to be remembered as martyrs of their thoughts...??
Oct 16th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I´m not believer but atheist, but thought both sides have the right to recognize their martyrs in the way they want.....is the same with the human rights that have been taken by the leftist like a right belonging to them only......
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