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Spain says Andalucia must have equal status to Gibraltar in any ad hoc UK/Madrid talks
The Junta de Andalucia must have an equal status to Gibraltar in any UK/Spain talks in which the British Overseas Territory participates, Spain’s Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo declared at a press conference following a meeting with Junta president Susana Diaz. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIn short Mr Margallo, what the people of Andalucia are telling you is that your actions are hurting them far more than Gibraltar. But I don't think he gives a toss about 7000 people in La Linea.
Oct 16th, 2013 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain, like Argyland, is an enemy state.
Oct 16th, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0They've given up demoting Gibraltar out of the talks so now want to promote Andalucia into them. It's all about pre-emptively categorising the status of Gibraltar.
Oct 16th, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0This will now continue until the Spanish government falls but nothing will change in Gibraltar.
Time to insist that the Boy Scouts of Gibraltar come in a 5th party with equal standing to Andalusia.
Oct 16th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a major difference between Andalusia and Gibraltar. Whilst Andalusia is an “autonomous community”, it is also “part of the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation”. Anyone noticed Gibraltar being “part of the indissoluble unity of the United Kingdom”? So Spain wants to “stack the deck” and have two bites at the cherry. Anyone think that Andalusia and Spain will “disagree”? But there is a solution. The “Spanish” side can be “represented” by Spain and Andalusia. The “British” side will be represented by England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Gibraltar. All with “equal status”. After all, the devolved administrations of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales must be the equivalent of Spain's “autonomous communities”.
Oct 16th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not difficult, is it Conq.;
Oct 16th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i. the United Kingdom of GB & NI, and
ii. the united kingdom of Spain,
discussing the Protectorate of Gibraltar in the presence of
iii. Gibraltar.
Pity for the uk of Spain about the wording of the Treaty of Utrecht.
LOL
Oct 16th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Treaty of Utrecht!
No pity for the UK. The UK could tear up the treaty tomorrow and Spain couldn't do a thing about it.
The UN charter totally trumps and negates the Treaty of Utrecht's condition of Spain being offered Gibraltar before any sovereignty changes. The UN has never put any limitation on Gibraltar's future sovereignty and never recognised the Treaty of Utrecht in its dealings with Gibraltar's decolonisation.
And the ICJ is clear on the issue:
Oct 16th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Furthermore, the subsequent development of International Law in regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them.'
No mention of Spain's territorial integrity. LOL.
Para 52 refers:
www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/53/5595.pdf
Is it just me or is anyone else bored by these spick no-brainers sticking their noses where they have no legal right to be?
Oct 16th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Sorry, I didn't notice Gibraltar being a “protectorate”. At what point in time did Spain become a “united” kingdom? And what's with the treaty of utrecht? In your own words. Start by specifying WHICH treaty of utrecht. There are ELEVEN!
Oct 16th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Various provisions trump and negate the treaty of utrecht. UNCLOS, for one.
@8 I have to admit that I wish the British government would get off its arse. The Royal Navy's Gibraltar Squadron should be larger. It consists of 2 Scimitar class 24 tonne patrol boats. Plus some RHIBs. It SHOULD consist of something like 4 fully-armed 1,700 tonne River-class patrol vessels. And some Apache attack helicopters. And some artillery.
Conq.
Oct 16th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.... some people would be good, too.
Was I right in hearing somewhere that La Linea wanted to join Gibraltar?
Oct 16th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar: If Spain keeps prodding the dormant lion will waking up. Gibraltar's forceful military armed with 3 peashooters, 2 mud pies and a water pistol held by 90 year old women will force Spain to surrender.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of diabtribe.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless I’m mistaken Andalusia IS spain. Therefore:
Spanish rep: whoever they choose from Andalusia
UK rep: whoever they choose from the UK
Gibraltar: whoever they choose from Gibraltar.
To me that still makes three!!!
The fuss these people are making just to talk about domestic and mundane issues because SOVEREIGNTY IS OFF THE MENU.
Idiots.
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