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Congress agreement saves US from shutdown for three months; Republicans seriously divided
US Congress has passed a bill to reopen the government and raise the federal debt limit, with hours to spare before the nation risked default. The Democratic-controlled Senate's bipartisan compromise won approval by 81 votes to 18. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules...and the Space Rangers have come back to Earth. With a thud. And not before time.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't a 'good fight', John Boehner - brinkmanship has it's place but not on this occasion.
To be fair, Boehner was highjacked by the extremes of the GOP. Cruz is the biggest twit.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0But you are right. A small element of the opposition cannot hold a democratically elected government to ransom. If they don't like the Health Care Bill they should try getting elected and change it. Though, I suspect they have just made that a whole lot harder for themselves.
Actually, the real reason they reached a settlement is that they heard I was flying in later today. :)
@2
Oct 17th, 2013 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, I guess Boehner had to salvage some pride somehow and he is nowhere near as nutty as Cruz and Rand Paul et al, but it's worrying how little authority he has over the Space Ranger element.
I'm guessing both Cruz and Paul will run in 2015 and, call me cynical, but I wonder if that possibility has anything to with their posture on this issue.
You're last sentence is intriguing - I had no idea you are so influential. That being so do you think you could persuade these Tea Partiers to lay off the blue pills for awhile?
@3 Yes, I think there was a lot of posturing going on but it has backfired. Cruz was even getting bad press at home. Ultimately people want their government to work for them not hold a gigantic pissing contest.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boehner was certainly weakened by the antics of the nutty division but I think he will stay; mostly because no one else would want his job just now. I guess he could resign but that doesn't seem in his nature. Have you seen the view from his office window? It would take a lot to make me give that up.
LOL. I have no influence but I most certainly would give them a good telling off in my best school-ma'am voice, “I don't care who started it........”.
How... unexpected.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what they come up with in three months...
;)
Elaine the only reason Boehner was “hijacked” by extremists is because he was more concerned about keeping his job as speaker. He himself played that BS Hastert rule. He could have allowed an up and down vote and he choose not to. This is a man that cried publicly (for show) when he was elected speaker. He's a conservative idiot like the rest of the republican party in my country that has seen the yellow flashing light in the corner of it's eyes.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing this does is empower's the idiot's in the “other” party of morons.
BTW.....Cruz who was totally endorsed by the Houston Chronicle is not so hot on him and wants him to move on. I say left Texas succeed for the benefit of the USA.
@6 Yes, I said @4 that Cruz was getting bad publicity at home (his state).
Oct 17th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not defending Boehner I just don't think he was the main culprit. Though it is worrying that third in the line of power in the USA seems to have no control over his own guys. He has been repeatedly humiliated by his own party. Why do the GOP think that will endear them to the voters? It panders to a few but to get elected you need to appeal to the majority and, in particular, the moderates.
As you know the House does not have to face the entire population of the USA, they only have to deal with the district in their home state. The vast majority of these hard core extreme conservatives come from the southern bible belt. SO, more likely then not, a good portion may not be in jeopardy of losing their seat. I hope I am wrong, we will see in 2014.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are there any moderates in the US who actually come out to vote?
Oct 17th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Agreed but it turns people off of the Republicans. They have not come out of this well.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 I don't know the stats from the last election but I know a lot of moderates that voted. US elections differ from the UK in that they are treated more like a team sport. I think that is why we get to see the more extreme examples. IMO most US citizens are not like that.
There's a lot of moderates, but because they are not team affiliated they typically are unheard in polls. We call ourselves independents. Being party aligned in the USA is really pointless unless you're a politician. But many voters drink the cool aid. People vote for democrats because they want handouts and expect government to be their savior, and the republican voter........beats the hell out of me why anyone votes for them. As the comedian Lewis Black said......Democrats are the party of bad ideas and Republicans are the party of no ideas. The only way my system will change is starting by having public funded campaigns and keeping big money out of the process. In the meantime.......
Oct 17th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0USA, Inc. dba.....America
@11 Totally agree that there should be a limit on campaign funding. I think it would return the system to something like it was intended.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. I have friends on both sides. They don't really fit your description but almost all would like to see more cooperation between the parties and less of the egos.
I am not one to paint broad strokes as it tends to stereo-type so I generally prefer to base my opinions on individual actions. However in US politics, when it comes to the voting public, not the politicians, that's close to reality than not. The Republican are business centric and the Dems are socio centric. The main reason the Republican party is entrenched in the 2nd amendment is because they would never have working class populace vote for them.......so they can scare them with the threat of taking there guns away.....as the Dems scare their voters with reversing Roe v. Wade, changing Title IIXX, and cutting food stamps. I've lived in this system for 54 years and it's changed for the worse since
Oct 17th, 2013 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Contract with America”. Tip O'Neil days are long gone.
We have not had a real shakedown yet that will cause a major revolt (politically) yet. One is due.
For anyone that understands our system and knows it's history, it was never meant to be one in agreement where everyone falls in line.......like Argentina. In fact there is a lot less viciousness now that 200 years ago. But I still think a voter rebellion is in the making and building over the past decade, that's what got the Tea Bags in office.......I see a liberal version of them in the makings in the near future.
Its a struggle between ordinary people and big business aided by nutcases and whackos. I watched John McCain last night headmitted that the Republican move to crush Obamacare was a total waste of time. I can understand peoples refusal to pay for insurance they feel they dont need. Insurance is a lousy way to fund universal healthcare anyway. Americans are losing their mojo. They should look and learn from Europe.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hip hip hooray for the USA....my second favourite nation!
Oct 17th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I knew you wouldn't let us down.....the world can breathe again!
Now start exporting some of that oil and gas or stop importing it and let's get this show on the road and protect my FDI....
....and everyone can now apologise to Pops for picking on him...as though it's his fault..the same way everyone picks on Argentineans as though it's their fault.
They are not losing it, it is being stolen by extreme left wingers and right wingers. We have a subsidized retirement system and the Republicans want to dismantle that. You really think public funded healthcare with fly? With all due respect you must be European to think that.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, what country in Europe with 310 m people can afford to pay for healthcare? Do you not realize that physicians in the USA are millionaires and rely on us being sick in order to buy their summer and winter homes? They will never accept cuts in order to provide healthcare for all.
There really is no “center” party or “onerytarian” (not even a “perfectly sensible” MRLP) in the US to cover the middle with enough power to break the two-party system we have now. Also as Poppy indicates the independent middle is there (and right now very POed) but also it is cut out of the low-level political entry process by the two party machines at the county and state level. Getting even a Libertarian (the larger of the shaky-legged third parties) on the state ballot in some areas is walking uphill against water.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for this recent crap, this was a self-made disaster for the Tea-Party movement. Obamacare has issues as does any other mega-ombibus legislation package (especially how some of it got through). BUT... If Obamacare is as bad as they say there is only one way at this point to prove it to the percent of the population who supports it either grudgingly or whole-heartedly to get the critical mass to end it. Let it happen, we know who voted for it and who didn't. Shine a bright light on everything they think is wrong with it in principle AND practice and THEN let THAT part of the sky fall on THOSE people who voted it in. Then it can be repealed not by “defunding” but by a genuine lawful appeal. But nooooo.... That they wanted to bring the whole sky crashing down obviously does not reflect well on them and shows that maybe their doomsday views on Obamacare are ... well... overstated?
#16 Captain, I realise all that. Its not just physicians, its lawyers too. And what with all the lobbyist from big business with their snouts firmly in the trough the wealth generated is all going to a certain section of the populace. Years ago after the war the Yanks were rich, big salaries, big cars, big cigars all round, but in the meantime Europe has been catching up and in many cases has overtaken the US. Sure our doctors and lawyers are well paid but in all the larger European countries people live in bigger salaries, more valuable property, and, most people are in healthcare schemes that leave no-one out. We get decent pensions too. The States is slipping a bit every year and when I visit, as I do frequently, I am appalled by a lot of the backwardness there in the social sense. However the US is full of very nice well meaning folk and still a welcoming place to go. Americana need to get out more... Your Mojo waned after Jack was shot, it is happening once again. Obama seemed promising but has turned out to be all fur coat and no knickers. He needed to govern with his convictions, not compromise with dumbos. The state of America matters to everyone, get up off the porch and sort it out!
Oct 17th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you Gface. The is a way going about to change existing law.....with an bill and votes.......not holding our credit hostage. If the Tea baggers got away with this, it would certainly set a precedent on how to go about changing long established laws in the USA......Repeal Social Security or force it to invest in Wall Street......etc...etc.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I have always felt that mainstream America is fairly middle of the road moderates. The Republicans shot themselves in the foot to make the White House in the near future. They can play staunch, hard conservatives in the primaries........come general elections they need to sell themselves to moderate independents. They are going to need more than snake oil in 2016. 2014 the Republicans may find themselves waking in bed after a night of drinking with that ugly one in the corner they were laughing at.
Well that was a colossal waste of everyone's time.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you're going to play at brinksmanship like that, it's probably better to suffer the consequences than wimp out at the last moment.
True, the consequences would be disastrous for the entire world, but that was the game they chose to play...
From outside the USA, it looks like the parable of the Gadarine swine
Oct 17th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A very meaningless waste of more than time from an American POV on the outside. Deeper, it has served a purpose, so would say. Republicans punctured their carotid artery and will not see time in the White House anytime in the near future. Perhaps this can be the impetus for a 3rd caucusing party that many Americans would like to see. Either way, the damage was done to Lincoln's party.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Then, with respect, you need to smack your physicians, and your lawyers, smartly round the chops. I would recommend that you approach them with the following provision. If they don't get real, they will be slapped with 99% tax on income and assets. Have they forgotten the Hippocratic Oath? I do understand what you're saying. We have “doctors” in the UK trying to pull a similar stunt. “We want more money. But we don't want to work”. Part of the problem, as I'm sure you know, is a government with no balls. Although I don't know the details, I don't understand why Republicans oppose “Obamacare”. Have they no interest in the health of your nation? You should have a National Health Service! And for the legal side? Re-jig your procedures to make self-representation the norm. Set up local government-funded centres where people can learn about, and be advised on, the law. Even better, simplify the law. No-one benefits from complex law except lawyers.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cap, I spent the last week in the Mid West and I can tell you that they don't see this outcome the same way you do.
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Polling has also show a marked increase in “conservative” leanings over the past few years. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-conservatives-outnumber-liberals-47-out-50-states
I wouldn't be betting on a liberal/dem take over any time soon. In fact I bet Repubs still take The Senate in 2014.
You have a distinctly NE/NW/CA POV. The rest of the country is mostly conservative, my midwest buddies didn't change their thoughts on O/P/R one iota.
You should probably get out of the Lib MA/NY bubble once in awhile
@23, here is the root of the problem:
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission
Since this, corporations essentially have the same rights to donate to politicians as individual citizens. Look up any republican (or democrat for that matter) who opposes healthcare reform and you can guarantee that they've recieved a six or seven-figure sum from various groups connected to the healthcare industry.
Anything that breaks the monopoly these people have on the american healthcare system will expose the ridiculous extent to which they've gouged the market, even worse if that monopoly is broken by the taxpayer.
Like a true set of teaballers yankee. Anyone that disagrees with your POV, label them a liberal. Please yankee, elaborate on my bubble? I am really curious to know more......about myself from you? Please, in fact tell us all?
Oct 17th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So if I am not a conservative I must be a liberal?
Why do you feel you need to force your POV on others or call me a liberal to which I am not. It's Americans like you I regret SERVING in the military to allow you that precious freedom of thought and opinion both socially and politically. You should have tried it yankee, it could have made a descent and compassionate man or out you rather than the tea bagger.
As for the outcomes..........time will tell. I am not arrogant as you to make such a statement. Only my opinion.
BTW yankee....when are you teaballers going to reverse social security for the retired underclass? Perhaps you guys can start by going around
the Headstart programs and tossing the minority kids out of the classrooms. Education is over rated to your kind anyway and “you wouldn't want them thar black and latino folk getting all uppity with a education”....right? 400 years your your ancestors might be rolling over in their graves. Why did they come to the New World....you must know that?
I also noticed you disappeared as your Grand Puba's of the Tea Bags ranted and made a circus of the USA.....all for nothing. You get to come back and ruin Christmas with another shutdown.
Banana Republic!
Oct 17th, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 Brasileiro
Oct 18th, 2013 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, yankeeboy country is a Banana Republic, LOL
Sarah Palin Battle Hymn :-))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMepzqJvIw
@27 Brasileiro
Oct 18th, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just recently your President, the lovely Dilma Hells Angel Rouseff, was imploring the U.S. not to stop their stimulus programme. If the U.S. is a Banana Republic what does that make Brazil?
@29 Casper.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do not know anything. Dilma just kicked the ass of Obama when snubbed his invitation for a state visit.
Dependent.......she'll still give Obama a BJ just to sell more in the US borders. Her show is political for women like Brasileira.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 031@ Popeye
Oct 18th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0We do not kneel. Its entrepreneurs and civil servants who visit us daily do it very well.
If we close our borders to you, you break!
Close them to what? You need out market, not the other way around. Do they keep you ladies that sheltered ?
Oct 18th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your first statement in your post shows your arrogance and smugness, coming from the an undeveloped nation as Dilma claims. So civil servants and entrepreneurs are on their knees to you? Are you the new oligarchy running Brazil? The better class than the rest?
Always remember that. Brazil is “shitting and walking” to the U.S.. We do not need you for anything. You need our money, our market, our tourists and our mineral resources.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Brazil and China withdraw the money that is in the EDF ........ you crack!
with Brazilian exports at 256 billion with 65 billion going to the USA, care to elaborate on the? Your posts are baseless by the minute, do you even use facts in your posts? What minerals does the USA need from Brazil? Tourist.....what was Brazil looking to drop visas to enter the USA? Your shit's a likely flaky here girlyman.....try again.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0One thing I will give you.....Brazil is “shitting” alright.
Who has a surplus in trade is the U.S.. 11 billion dollars last year. So most likely, we are the only country in the world that helps you. And what we get in return? Ignorant loudmouths like you.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You speak bad about who feeds you.
@30 Brasileiro
Oct 18th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now don't get mad at me buddy, but Ms Rouseff is not Anderson Silva. Or Lyoto Machida. Or Jose Aldo ( my favourite by the way ). Or JDS.
The U.S.A. is not a Banana Republic, neither is Brazil. I'm sure either country could survive without the other but that isn't going to happen for the foreseeable future is it?
You talk like a women with a paper asshole. You're a perfect bore with nothing factual to make your unsupported and ridiculous claims.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0How's the Real doing?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/17/brazil-economy-cenbank-idUSL1N0I70K720131017
Trade = wealth + influence.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36
Oct 18th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont mean to be rude Brasileiro, but while Brazilian trade is important to the US economy it is no where near as significant as US trade with the likes of the Dutch for example. The trade between those two countries equals a trade advantage for the US of 18 Billion Dollars and rising each year, while the trade gap between Brazil and the US is at 11 Billion and narrowing.
Dilma 'Hells Angel' Rouseff (like it) is presiding over, not a banana republic, more a 'free bananas for the poor' republic - the sort of socialism that US people have nightmares about.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why a handout rather than a handup?
Oct 18th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In theory it is a help-up ... to get the 'bananas' you have to keep your kids in the schooling system. If only the education system was up to the quality to make this a proper trade. As it is, it's little more than 'free bananas'.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And in practice they never get off the free banana ride. Why work hard when for X when the government will give you X for free?
Oct 18th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 36 Brasileiro
Oct 18th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you keep on with the warmongering you will end up like your brothers in The Dark Country.
Have a look at what could be in store for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE&list=PL3289532D5E713A51
ONLY an updated force TGW our US Allies or the other way around: take your pick.
I would try to be mature and less xenophobic (a fear or hatred of strangers or foreigners in its simplest definition) about your country, it impresses no-one, but makes you look like an idiot.
@ 45 ChrisR
Oct 18th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a small difference, Doctor. We are the only country that has never lost a war. And you make sure, if we enter into a war someday the word surrender does not exist in our vocabulary. Neither one side or the other.
We are like those dogs that do not give up the bone. You do not want to see us angry, we are peaceful until they step on our toes.
Thanks for the video.
Chris I know and I do not see level, but this joker is a blathering idiot on her finest hour.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ne thing is certain and in the words of Brassilia, they are like dogs. Brassie, rather than your toes, how about i piss on your neck and tell you it's raining, like Dilma does to you?
All interests of the United States and their dogs must be suspended by our South American governments. The sooner these idiots break, the better for humanity.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We should start expelling their ambassadors!
I'll make a letter to my president, annexed send all comments on this site.
Obie wanna, no one seems to be listening to you in your government.....or any others in SA for that matter.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahahahahahahahaha.
When they expel the US Ambassadors......I will publicly kiss your ass and give you a day to gather a crowd. However......shave the beard first.
@48
Oct 18th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just watched a news report about Brazils oil industry on tv.
Ferk me, horse drawn carts on mud roads.
Hardly think you are in a position to lecture others, especially the yanks.
Sort your own shit out first!
I'm not interested in what you think. 'm Concerned with what we think.
Oct 18th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF RC ! no shit....horse drawn carts? Must be left over Nazi technology from the “Boys from Brazil”
Oct 19th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil does not have oil wells on land. These horses must be excellent swimmers. Should also be strong, to bring the oil offshore.
Oct 19th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahaha
Ooops......
Oct 19th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Onshore production is concentrated, mainly, in Northern and Northeastern Brazil and, to a smaller extent, in the Southeast and in the Espírito Santo area. The average oil production in onshore fields is 210,000 barrels of oil and 17.9 million cubic meters of gas per day.
And you Brazilians must process the crude and use it ONLY on water? You get stupider by the day......stick to being titti boi from mendoza......tito the clown......tobi the tosser. A half bred Brazilian does not fit you.
Oct 19th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We are still a country in which not everyone has the right to homes, education, healthcare and recreation. They are rather privileges for only a few,” he said in his keynote speech that shocked even some of his supporters.
“We are a paradox country,” he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/18/entertainment-us-germany-books-ruffato-idUSBRE99F0H620131018
This guy is crazy maverick. Must be one of those submissive to the interests of spies yankees. A stateless. You can have he for you.
Oct 19th, 2013 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and then there is this:
Oct 19th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cleaning up Brazil's most dangerous favelas: How armed police are waging war on vicious drug cartels that rule the slums of Rio as they fight to make the city safe before the 2016 Olympic Games
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342458/Cleaning-Brazils-dangerous-favelas-How-armed-police-waging-war-vicious-drug-cartels-rule-slums-Rio-fight-make-city-safe-eyes-world-turn-2016-Olympic-Games.html#ixzz2iAq8ePaz
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http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazil-faces-infrastructure-shortfalls/
Oct 19th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil is not the paradise we thought, neither the hell do you think.
Oct 19th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We always seek to improve and we are very happy with our country.
@46/59
Oct 19th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a reason for Brazil never losing a war you ignorant muppet; you have fought in only 17 of them in 200 years, all of them against either weaker powers, internal and small rebellions or you entering the war in the last minute when the winning side became all to clear.
Heres Britain's war record: (The Best in History by the way)
1700-1721 The Great Northern War
1701-1714 War of Spanish Succession
+Queen Anne’s War
1715-1715 Jacobite Rising of 1715
1717-1720 War of the Quadruple Alliance
+Nineteen Uprising
1721-1725 Dummer’s War
1740-1748 War of the Austrian Succession
+King Georges War
+War of Jenkins’ Ear
+First Carnatic War
1745-1746 Jacobite Rising of 1745
1749-1754 Second Carnatic War
1756-1763 Seven Years’ War
+French & Indian War
1757-1763 Third Carnatic War
1758-1761 Anglo-Cherokee War
1763-1766 Pontiac’s Rebellion
1766-1769 First Anglo-Mysore War
1774-1783 First Anglo-Maratha War
1775-1783 American Revolutionary War
+Anglo-French War
+Anglo-Spanish War
+Fourth Anglo-Dutch War
1780-1784 Second Anglo-Mysore War
1789-1792 Third Anglo-Mysore War
1793-1797 War of the First Coalition
1793-1796 War in the Vendee
1798-1798 Irish Rebellion of 1798
1798-1799 Fourth Anglo-Mysore War
1799-1802 War of the Second Coalition
1801-1807 Temne War
1802-1805 Second Anglo- Maratha War
1803-1805 First Kandyan War
1803-1803 Emmet’s Insurrection
1803-1805 War of the Third Coalition
1806-1807 War of the Fourth Coalition
1806-1807 British Invasions of the Rio de la Plata
1806-1807 Ashanti-Fante War
1807-1809 Anglo-Turkish War
1807-1814 Gunboat War
1807-1814 Anglo-Russian War
1807-1814 Peninsular War
1809-1809 War of the Fifth Coalition
1810-1817 Merina conquest of Madagascar
1811-1812 Fourth Xhosa War
1811-1811 Ge-Fante War
1812-1815 War of 1812
1815-1815 Second Kandyan War
1815-1815 Hundred Days/War of the Seventh Coalition
1817-1818 Third Anglo-Maratha War
1818-1819 Fifth Xhosa War
1820-1830 Greek war of Independence
1823
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfL885BKjXk
Oct 19th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're the first idiot sworn that I know. A person who boasts of wars that did, can not be normal!
Oct 19th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can not understand this culture.
1823-1831 First Ashanti War
Oct 19th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 01824-1826 First Anglo-Burmese War
1828-1834 Portuguese Civil War
1833-1840 First Carlist War
1834-1836 The Sixth Xhosa War
1837-1838 Rebellions of 1837
1839-1842 First Anglo-Afghan War
1839-1842 First Opium War
1839-1851 Uruguayan Civil War
1845-1846 First Anglo-Sikh War
1845-1846 Flagstaff War
1846-1846 Hutt Valley Campaign
1846-1847 The Seventh Xhosa War
1847-1847 Wanganui War
1848-1849 Second Anglo-Sikh War
1851-1853 The Eighth Xhosa War
1852-1853 Second Anglo-Burmese War
1853-1856 Crimean War
1856-1857 The National War in Nicaragua
1856-1860 Second Opium War
1856-1857 Anglo-Persian War
1857-1858 Indian Mutiny
1860-1861 First Taranaki War
1863-1864 Second Ashanti War
1863-1866 Invasion of Waikato
1864-1865 Bhutan War
1867-1874 Klang War
1868-1869 Titokowaru’s War
1868-1868 Expedition to Abyssinia
1868-1872 Te Kooti’s War
1868-1869 Red River Rebellion
1873-1874 Third Ashanti War
1877-1878 The Ninth Xhosa War
1878-1880 Second Anglo-Afghan War
1879-1879 Anglo-Zulu War
1880-1881 First Boer War
1884-1889 Mahdist War
1885-1885 Third Anglo-Burmese War
1888-1888 Sikkim Expedition
1896-1896 Anglo-Zanzibar War
1899-1901 Boxer Rebellion
1899-1902 Second Boer War
1901-1902 Anglo-Aro War
1903-1904 British Expedition to Tibet
1914-1918 World War 1
1918-1920 Allied Intervention in the Russian Civil War
1919-1923 Turkish War of Independence
1919-1919 Third Anglo-Afghan War
1919-1921 Irish War of Independence
1920-1920 Somaliland Campaign
1920-1920 Great Iraqi Revolution of 1920
1936-1939 Great Arab Revolt in Palestine
1938-1948 British Zionist Conflict
1939-1945 World War Two
1945-1949 Indonesian Revolution
1944-1948 Greek Civil War
1945-1946 Vietnam (Operation Masterdom)
1948-1960 Malayan Emergency
1950-1953 Korean War
1951-1954 Suez Canal Zone Emergency
1952-1960 Mau Mau Uprising
1954-1959 Jebel Akhdar War
1955-1960 Cyprus Emergency
1956-1957 Suez Crisis
1956-1962 Border Campaign
For goodness sake Conor J...Can you not put more than one on a line like this?...
Oct 19th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 01955-1960 Cyprus Emergency.....1956-1957 Suez Crisis....1956-1962 Border Campaign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR_qRqsK_I0
Oct 19th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have so many bad videos about U.S. who could call me a terrorist if I showed here.
hahaha
1962-1966 Indonesian-Malaysia Confrontation
Oct 19th, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 01962-1975 Dhofar Rebellion
1963-1967 Aden Emergency
1968-1998 The Troubles
1982-1982 Falklands War (Last True War of the British Empire)
1982-1984 Multinational Force in Lebanon
1991-1991 Gulf War
1992-1996 Bosnian War
1998-1998 Operation Desert Fox
1998-1999 Kosovo War
2000-2002 Sierra Leone Civil War
2001-2013 (Present) War in Afghanistan
2003-2009 Iraq War
2011-2011 Libyan Intervention
Now thats a War Record!!!
@62
Do you suffer from short term memory lose or something? You were just bragging about Brazil never losing a war, I just shed some light on oyu flawed logic and then you hypocritically attack me for bragging in retaliation for you bragging in the first place.
@64 I had to quickly copy and paste this over, no time to alter, + I wanted to Brasilerio a little bit, by emphasising the length of Britain's military history.
That's so sick...
Oct 19th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The raping of women and children and murdering of civilians goes back to early 18th Century and still continues.
And this guy is proud about it...
Conor, you think wars are like in Hollywood, don't you?
I know, I know, you personally been in the front lines and got some scar to prove it.
But I mean really, do you have a clue whatsoever?
@67
Oct 19th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“War is only bad from the perspective of those who suffer” (You can quote me on that) Humanity is the most evil and detrimental force on earth, we consume one another we murder one another and we actively destroy for the sake of petty revenge but this will never change, so you know cheer the fuck up.
In that long list of wars I just listed did you actually care about any of the people who died in them? No you didn't. You came over all righteous about how evil war was and simply used the victims as a political tool to back up your flawed argument.
Heres another quote but form a famous certain someone: “As long as there is man there will be war”
Also very few of those wars actually involved the raping of women, children etc, in fact many of them were actually fought form honest reasons. Your entire country Stevie was built on the subjugation of natives by your Spanish forefathers, if you truly cared for war you would surrender your property to Native Americans.
One last thing: if you actually read some of the conflicts mentioned you would realise that a great many of them had extremely positive results.
Oh and btw if your Uruguayan forefathers hadn't of FOUGHT A WAR to gain your countries independence how would it have been established? War is the single biggest driver of human advancement, much like is the animal world were the strong replace the weak and the world spins forward with new innovation and life.
You have taken a very narrow minded view of war my friend, yes many wars have been pointless but most have put humanity far more ahead then ever.
“Humanity is the most evil and detrimental force on earth”
Oct 19th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't blame the rest of us for your flaws, it doesn't justify your actions.
“As long as there is man there will be war”
Only as long as there are men like you.
All this talk of war.......and how many grunted and bleed in any war?
Oct 19th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69
Oct 19th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah the classic “humanity is different in certain places when it comes to war routine” Did you completely miss out on what I said regarding your Spanish Forefathers? Oh and your Uruguayan forefathers as well? The conquest of South America and the creation of your country cost 10s of millions of lives that you obviously don't care about.
Oh and while I have never been involved in combat directly (much like the bulk of people in history) I do live with the consequences of the Troubles in Northern Ireland daily, a conflict which was completely unnecessary and changed nothing.
You are talking about my forefathers.
Oct 19th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm talking about you.
72 Stevie
Oct 19th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about YOU talking of YOUR father's part in the promotion of the military regime because NONE of the Tupos could think two steps ahead and foresee that their stupid, childlike actions, would result in the military being bolstered to take over the country?
Or is that different?
Chris
Oct 19th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The police shot Liber Arce long before the Tupas took weapons.
Three students were killed before the Tupas started fighting back.
And the Tupas did count with the military, but they counted on them to serve their people, just like they had sworn.
I see you got yourself updated on Uruguayan history, but you are parrotting the excuses of the right wing.
To blame the population for state terrorism is not going to take you anywhere, Chris. That road is tried and tested.
@72
Oct 19th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wait hang on....I'am responsible for my forefathers actions but you aren't for yours? As long as you live in colonially created Uruguay you are carrying out your forefathers actions and legacies.
No Conor, you are responsable for your actions, that's about it.
Oct 19th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm responsable for my actions.
That, or you are a nazi loving Brit, just like the one that accepted the nazi corpse...
@76
Oct 19th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still keep diverting from my main point, you hate war and conquest yet you live in Uruguay, oh the Hypocritical Irony.
“That, or you are a nazi loving Brit, just like the one that accepted the nazi corpse...”
Trolling Rule Number 652:
Change subject in the most obvious and tedious way.
@ 74 Stevie
Oct 19th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I have learnt about Uruguayan history but not only from books but from people who suffered under the military long after you and your parents had scarpered to Sweden.
My Spanish teacher had her father arrested when she was 19 and he did not come back for two weeks. There are others who have told me how it was, but you weren't here, were you?
And please don’t patronise me with “And the Tupas did count with the military, but they counted on them to serve their people, just like they had sworn.” Do you REALLY believe that crap? Of course when you take an armed force, tell it to stop the Tupas and magnify it size by an order of magnitude and then expect it to kowtow to the supporters of the terrorists (which the public were until the Tupas murders started) and you are surprised that they took over? FFS Stevie, get real. That is EXACTLY what I am on about – NO fucking idea of the real world by the failed lawyer who “led” your family and many others into oblivion.
AND YOU STILL DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE! You also take Argentina’s side over Uruguay in many, many, things so I think that just about sums you up.
Chris
Oct 19th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry if you seek the first place to hide in should any usurper take power in your country, and it's ok for you to hide, should Uruguay again be in need of be defended against state terrorism. Nobody counted on you anyway.
But please respect that you chose to live in a country that has a vast majority of the electorate who backs the actual government for their ideology and politics, not to mention economics.
We don't see it like you, we will never let the right wing do as it pleases with our lives. And should they try with force as they did back then, the population will answer with force.
Not all though, plenty will try to find a hiding place, competing with you for the safest spot...
@ 79 Stevie
Oct 20th, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don’t know what is going on here with the laughable statement about “economics”!
I have just spent US $1,400 for some equipment made in Uruguay (MVD actually) and my local supplier cannot get it because the cunts are on strike! They have manufactured it but the business owner has told my dealer he cannot allow him to pick it up with his own truck because that will upset his “workers”. They are not workers, they are strikers!
And why are they on strike? They know the days of the commie bastards are nearly over and the next few weeks is the only time they have to get the “government” (spit) to agree a wage hike.
So ALL the unions are doing the same thing.
And please, please, don’t make threats that you cannot possibly carry out: YOU ARE NOT HERE, so less of the “We don't see it like you; we will never let the right wing do as it pleases with our lives. And should they try with force as they did back then, the population will answer with force.” Crap.
The Tupas led by the illiterate failed lawyer, aided and abetted by your mom and dad and with the doubtful help of Pepe failed last time and let the Military in. The Military were not thrown out by force were they? You make yourself and your “cause” look completely stupid with these claims.
You REALLY need to make your mind up and either come back to Uruguay and do what you make so many claims for, or STFU!
Did we beat the military? At the time no...
Oct 20th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0But tell, tell me...
Who is the President of Uruguay today?
So, did we win?
Indeed we did!
;)
81 Stevie
Oct 20th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wait until you see my post about the current strikes and tell me it was a win.
Is your post bringing the Blancos back to power, or the Colorados?
Oct 20th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because if it isn't, I can't see the Victory...
But by all Means, feel free to call it so...
68 Conor J
Oct 20th, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You wrote ”Here's another quote but form a famous certain someone: “As long as there is man there will be war”
Here's another quote:
“From the standpoint of Sun Tzu’s philosophy of war, the Mahatma Ghandi is among the greatest warriors of all time . Sun Tzu said, “Attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy’s army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence.” Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet, and he was the pinnacle of excellence”
@84
Oct 21st, 2013 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn......Learn a bit more history then the certain deluded historical revisions of many lefty anti-colonial Americans 'historians.'
Gandhi led a campaign against the most powerful empire in history yes, but you seem to forget he led it against an empire that was economically ruined, heavily in debt and facing breakaway in many colonies, as well as political pressure from the up and coming USA and USSR.
Gandhi was in the right place at the right time in 1947 and simply shook the boat of an already unstable empire. That being said he profoundly respected the British and realised later on as several other Indian independence movement leaders pointed out; 'India was being held together only by the British.' He was a firm believer in Democracy, and who gave India this democracy? The British.
When we arrived in India there were over 500 warring barbaric religious extremist states all we heavily different culture and ideology with religion ranging from Hindu to Muslim and Buddhist to Sikh and many more. We united India for the first time in history, we arrived and there were 500+ states, we ruled and there was 1 state and when we left, 1 became 3.
Latest Brit propaganda: UK did India a favour...
Oct 21st, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0#86
Oct 21st, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking back on history, they probably did.
Sure, and also the Afro-americans.
Oct 21st, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heck, they didn't even get charged for the trip...!
@88
Oct 21st, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again you're not very bright are you?
The British Empire was one of the first modern states in history to outlaw the slave trade and slavery itself, the numbers of slaves taken from Africa by the British were minuscule in comparison to the 10s of millions that your latino, Portuguese and Spanish fore-fathers took between them.
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland outlawed slavery on our soil in the 15-1600s, the only thing keeping it alive until 1807/33 was a tiny minority of business men against the wishes of the majority of Britons.
When the empire outlawed slavery it was the ONLY nation that took active steps to destroy it outright. The empire committed 10s of thousands of sailors and 100s of ships of the Royal Navy to track down slave traders and put them out of Business, whilst returning all those in bondage back to there home continent. Look up British anti-slavery operations, things like the Royal Navy's West Africa squadron.
So here you have the most powerful empire in the history of mankind spending millions and committing enormous resources to destroy slavery.
When your little Uruguay abolished slavey, did they help in its world wide destruction? No Did the US of A? No, or any of the other so called free, democratic and anti-imperialist countries in the Americas? No.
So much for the evil empire eh?
Oh and BTW - “Latest Brit propaganda: UK did India a favour...” One single fact alone puts that little false statement into the ground, 'India only exists as a unified and democratic state because of the British. With out us their country wouldn't even exist. Oh and as you didn't provide any of your own points to disprove my comment you lose the argument. A simple one line crappy sentence is not the basis of an argument.
So
Oct 21st, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lot not only offered them free tickets across the river, but also spent millions in destroying the competition? That's at least 5 shouldertaps worth...
And look at India!
Not only did you lot tell them what the name of the place they were living in was, but you also helped them draw some lines on a map. Genious!
By the way, when you lot drew your maps, did you use demographics and geography, or the more advanced dice and ruler?
@90
Oct 21st, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, you demonstrate narrow mindedness on the subject and have completely ignored all of my valid arguments which are factual and correct.
“You lot not only offered them free tickets across the river, but also spent millions in destroying the competition? That's at least 5 shouldertaps worth...”
So you're telling me that it was wrong of the British Empire to fight slavery across the globe while you Uruguayans kept the blacks in bondage? Nice twisted logic there my friend, again you're not very bright or historical informed.
“And look at India!
Not only did you lot tell them what the name of the place they were living in was, but you also helped them draw some lines on a map. Genious!”
Its spelt Genius by the way.
Well the Indians seem to enjoy living in a unified state of 1 Billion people rather then 500 Savage Religious obsessed states. If the Indians were so against the British then why did Gandhi campaign vigorously to keep the Sub-continet unified? Check mate silly boy.
“By the way, when you lot drew your maps, did you use demographics and geography, or the more advanced dice and ruler?”
Yet again you display a shocking ignorance of the subject matter. We only partitioned India because the Muslims wanted it. The last thing Britain wanted to do was create chaos out of the unified sub-continent. We used divide and rule in the early days of empire yes but out of the thousands of tribes and states that we took over at least 100 or so unified states have emerged in the modern era. Divide and Rule in the end became Unite and lead.
Once again Stevie my boy I have rubbed your ignorant nose in historical fact. Not such a cocky boy are we?
Hahaha!!!
Oct 21st, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you Guys call the Argentines brain washed...
Sure Conor, you lot are in fact bringing future unison to Iraq as well, people just can't see it yet.
And Afghanistan is merely a victim of globalization [of needs].
Fact is, you lot only do good, even by mistake.
Africa should salute you, the Indians express their gratitude...
@92
Oct 21st, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still haven't disproved anything I have actually said Boyo. You have merely made vague sweeping statements regarding the empire without any evidence. So I have beaten you again. If you admit that I'am right then I will have the most profound respect for you but I doubt that you will admit to anything.
As to your other statements;
When did the empire end? Answer: 1997
When did the take overs of Afghan and Iraq occour? Answer: 01 &03
If we applied proper empire building to those countries we would have executed the likes of Saddam and Bin Laden instantly and annihilated with absolute ruthlessness the rest of their respective organisations instead of leaving them alive to fuel the fire for so long.
These two countries simply don't understand democracy, if we used empire logic we would have installed a popular local leader who would be backed by the various tribes. With the Americans trying to install democracy into the system we have ended up with the likes of Karzai whom most people in Afghan don't care about.
If this operation was done during the Empire era we would have to very functional and stable states, it just shows you what happens when you put the Americans in charge, they simply don't understand the rest of the world.
“Africa should salute you, the Indians express their gratitude...”
Africa under European rule was stable, democratic and stable. When we left the old tribal systems took control and look were the continent is now.
If Indians hate Britain then why do the countries enjoy an extremely close and happy relationship? Why does the UK have the 2nd largest amount of Indians and Pakistanis (Near 1.8 million) living in a foreign country? Again you no nothing.
A message from Bette Davis to the US http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHUGvde7KU
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Conor, Iraq and Afghanistan are merely a proof that the empire might have ended, but your lots endless goodwill is still in full bloom...
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@95
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you even read what I said? No because clearly you haven't grasped what I was saying, true imperial policies would haver sorted those two countries (if you can even call them that) out.
And with that you admit defeat. No evidence, no admission that I'am right, a simple sentence to try and quickly bail as you know nothing of history. I don't think I have ever met any one in my life who has actually openly admitted when they are wrong and uninformed, you can now join this list.
But in 100 years time all historians and not just a divided amount will look at the British empire the same way they look at the Roman empire today, envy, awe and regret that such fine examples of civilisation building are gone.
And just maybe your grandchildren will look back and realise that the Spanish empire was good for them as well. You obviously wont because you're not very intelligent.
85 Conor J
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“When we arrived in India ...”
When you left the dead count was in the millions.
Do you have a flag?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8
@97
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you should read what I have previously said sponger, regarding the famines and realise the Indians carry blame for those disasters as well.
Nice clip btw I love Eddie.
98 Conor J
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you should get on your knees and ask for forgiveness.
@98
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha from who? God?
One: he's not real and two if he is real then he's definitely a Briton as Al Murray so eloquently puts it.
Now neither you or Stevie has provided any actual evidence to refute my facts and so I have won once again. Now its late and I'am going to bed. Oh and one last thing, your video of Eddie Izzard actual supports my argument regarding India further- there was no flag because there was no country called India, we British created it and the Indians seem to be loving just fine. :)
Rule Britannia Mother F-cker
Good Night
100 Conor J
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
@101
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its certainly worked for you muppet Marcos.
Conorhow can you expect meto take you seriously when you are telling me the Africans should thank you for using them as Trading goods, that the Indians merely took a lesson in organisation.
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that you believe this delusion is no surprise though, the world will be a much better place with coming generations.
And Brittania will rule... Brittania, which is more than it can be said about it today. That's the problem with your generation, so thirsty for power you forget right and left, and there you are, under the foot of USA in general and the bankers in particular.
Rule Brittania...
As for the rest of your waste print, I simply can't take you seriously.
Killing millions of people is not a favour, but if you truly believe it is, I will not stop you in your delusion...
#103
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain how it was that a country with a small population could control a country the size of India without the acquiescence of the Indian population. The Indian Army mainly consisted of “native” troops. We could have been forced out at any time if the people rose up against us.
And so you were... surprised it wasn't by force?
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I fully understand you...
@103
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again you know nothing. And you still haven't learned anything from what I have said.
“you are telling me the Africans should thank you for using them as Trading goods, that the Indians merely took a lesson in organisation.”
When did I ever say anything positive about slavery? Oh I didn't in your desperation to disprove me you end up putting words in my mouth. My country freed 100,000s of thousands of slaves and took them back to home to freedom while most countries including yours did nothing. The decedents of those who were freed now now number in the 10s of millions.
Oh and if the Indians don't like living in an unified sub-continet why do I see no protests to re-establish the 500+ Princely states? Oh thats right they love their country, a country of democracy for 1.2 Billion people which we created. I have mentioned this twice now and you seem unable to grasp it, are you retarded?
“The fact that you believe this delusion is no surprise though, the world will be a much better place with coming generations.”
Oh we agree on something regarding your generation, my current generation is gradually sweeping aside the chaos and fuck up of your generations extreme poverty, racism, homophobia and financial crisis. Hurrah for us 90s-00s children.
All that stuff about bankers and the US is non-sense claiming the UK is submissive to the US is like me saying the same of little Uruguay to Argentina, it simply isn't true is it? Oh and as for bankers the last time I checked they have buggered the world up and not just Britain.
“As for the rest of your waste print, I simply can't take you seriously.
Killing millions of people is not a favour, but if you truly believe it is, I will not stop you in your delusion”
Again you don't listen, most people claim the empire killed millions but they cant seem to remember were. The Famines in India were the result of negligence, while natives died of disease- not on purpose. Anyway it created your country so you can't complain.
#105
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think you do !
It's like your history starts when you lot realized that trading with people is a bad thing, as if it wasn't obvious.
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hence you are the good guys and the Africans should thank you...
And look at the Indians, you talk about having formed their destiny as if they wouldn't have had one if it wasn't for you lot.
Your arguments are despiseful and totally surreal...
@108
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It's like your history starts when you lot realized that trading with people is a bad thing, as if it wasn't obvious.”
You're such an idiot aren't you? Have you payed attention at all? Yes slavery is evil but what you do to make amends speaks volumes. Britain did more then anyone else, Spain and its Uruguay offspring did nothing, you fucking hypocrite colonial implant.
Yes the Africans should thank us, under British rule Zimbabwe had a very high GDP per capita (in the 60s remember), a life expectancy in the 60-65 region and virtually no unemployment, and now today= under African own rule, GDP as low a $400 per person life expectancies in the 40s and unemployment and inflation through the roof. Kenya under British rule was regarded as the bread basket of Africa and now the country has regular food shortages.
India was a hell hole of warring tribes who would be as divided today as they were then if we had not have showed up, these are facts and you haven't disproved them and so you have lost again.
If you keep coming back with the same narrow minded comments that I have disproved about 10 times now the I'am not going to reply to you my colonial friend.
So please do me a favour and admit you know nothing and kindly go away, theres another article running right now regarding the Chagos islands, why don't you come over and I will school you on that as well, hypocrite.
#107
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course India has a destiny but WHAT ?. If it's population continues to expand then it will die off from lack of food and resources.
If the bulk of the population do not become materially better off, then there may be a revolution. War with China or Pakistan is another possibility. These scenarios are entirely up to the people of India to sort out...Nothing to do with the UK or any colonial legacy.
As for Africa, yes colonialism was for OUR benefit and not the indigenous populations. Indirectly some good was done such as building some form of infrastructure, law and government.
Most of the African colonies, were still in the iron age when we arrived. The scourge of slavery was all but wiped out.
Decades after independence was gained, the continent seems to be going backwards with wars, massacres and massive corruption from their leaders. I personally don't feel any responsibility for this.
However, I am sure that your political dogma will ensure that it must be the fault of the UK.
China is now the dominant “colonial” power in Africa due to it's economic clout and need for raw materials and is increasing it's presence in S.A. Is this for the good of S.A.?
China is indeed the driving force in Africa today, and Africa is on the rise. Go figure.
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference with that lot and you lot is that they actually pay for the resources. Imagine that.
As for your “arguments”, they are so ridiculously way off there is nothing more to add than tapping you on the shoulder.
It's like you telling me the sky is green, expecting me to prove it isn't.
Live with your delusion, I'm ok with that...
#111
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it is. It is plundering the continent for its own agenda.
You say they pay for the resources....to whom ? Corrupt governments who siphon off the money into Swiss bank accounts ! Does the average African gain anything from this ? You go figure !
So you say that the UK does not pay for anything it gets from Africa.
Please explain this apparent anomaly. Africa generously donates all its goods to the UK for free ?
In WW2, the RAF painted the undersides of it's high altitude photo rec. Spitfires duck egg green/blue as the sky can assume this colour. in northern latitudes.
So live with YOUR delusions, you certainly exhibit a plethora of them.
Clyde
Oct 22nd, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the ducks do this to camouflage their eggs...
Africa donates nothing, they merely sign a paper that allows you lot to take their natural resources in exchange of baratijas.
We got them too for a long time...
#113
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we send the natives shiny beads , axes and cooking pots in exchange for raw materials and foodstuffs ? You are really in a class of your own in the ignorance stakes.
Exports from the UK to South Africa are dominated by turbo jets, turbo propellers, gas turbines, machinery, mechanical appliances, electrical equipment, vehicles (including aircraft and vessels),
Of course, all the above cannot compete with the advanced technology available from Argentina.....your damned ship hardly made it to S. Africa and had to be repaired by someone who knew what they were doing !
As for Uruguay ??????
@114 Peronists think iPhones are baratijas... seriously.
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And weaponry, crap loads of weaponry. Preferable to both sides of every drama on the entire continent...
Magnus
iPhone must be the most expensive baratija on the market today, regarding the relation between price, lifespan and usage...
#116
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we are perfectly neutral in this respect. The French and Russians seem to be rather involved in this also.
Yes, in an ideal world no one should sell arms. However it is a fact of life.
The Russians supply India with hi-tech weapons, also Syria where they are used to subjugate the people by their dictator.
Your chums in Cuba and Venezuela are good customers of Russia but of course, being socialists, that's OK by you.
China will supply any arms to anybody without qualms.
So we are back to your pathological dislike of the UK to single us out as the villains of the world.
OK, give me details - verifiable -of the “crap load of weapons” that the UK is flooding into Africa for use by both sides in current conflicts.
Not just “Stevie says it so it must be true”.
Until then I will have to believe that the crap is spilling from your over fertile imagination.
ps I also assume that you now believe that the sky CAN be green !
Hahaha Clyde
Oct 24th, 2013 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talking to you, the sky is a cacaphony of colours...
Russia is just as guilty as the UK. Pointing to and blaming eachother has given both nations, amongst others, the self-proclaimed right to do as they please.
'... a cacophony of colours'!
Oct 24th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, are you a synaesthesia sufferer?
#118
Oct 24th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You must spend too much time indoors. Get out occasionally and look at the sky. It can be blue-not too often here - various hues of grey, pinkish, red, purple and GREEN.
When I was on holiday in India, the sky was mainly yellow due to pollution from wood burning fires.
As “to crap load of arms”, I presume that is a technical term specifying a quantity or value. I am not aware of it's actual amount. Can you specify this ?
I note that you still dodged the question I asked. You were singling out the UK as the number one villain in supplying arms to the whole of Africa, regardless of how they would be used, but omitting to supply
details of same.
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