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Bank of Spain estimates the country climbed out of recession in third quarter
Spain climbed out of recession in the third quarter, growing 0.1% from the previous three-month period to end a streak of nine consecutive quarters of contraction, the Bank of Spain estimated Wednesday in its latest economic bulletin. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI do not like Spain. For me, it could turn into 200 nations. Since 1084. We fight against these “cabrones”. They are thieves treacherous.
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Who gives a shit what you think. For thieves treacherous look closer to home you loser.
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make a gesture of good faith: Return Olivença!
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain “estimates”. Says it all. Faggoty latino liars. Just like Portugal, argieland and Brazil. shit in a bucket.
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not everything is blue.
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not everything is blue.
What is the determination of accuracy value?
Oct 23rd, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus or minus 0.1% would be a minimum.
It's all SpIndec.
Hello again,
Oct 24th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see you’re still ‘at it’. Ranting and raving away like lunatics on the loose –doing your level best to alienate your allies and to turn your possible friends into bitter enemies. So I won’t bore myself to distraction, too, by trying to talk too much sense, here...
For: 4 Conqueror (#)
Please don’t be such dreadful drama queen, Dear. And do try to overcome your schoolgirlish penchant for hysterical histrionics. Not all foreigners are shits. Some Britons are too. In fact, YOU are NOT precisely a paragon of perfect virtue, yourself, Mate!
To: 3 Brasileiro (#)
You’re right about Olivença. Otherwise, kindly note my suggestion for Conqueror.
Cheers, Jim, in Madrid.
@3 You jest of course. According to some quick research, Olivenza was ceded to Spain under the Treaty of Badajoz. Portugal claims it self-revoked that Treaty. Did Spain? Portugal then points to the Treaty of Vienna. But Spain didn't sign the Final Act, did it? And did it ratify the relevant Article? We understand that Portugal is the oldest ally of the United Kingdom, but there has to be considerable doubt as to whether the United Kingdom is any sort of ally of Portugal. You may recall that the first actions of the Peninsular War were that Britain removed France and its allies from Portugal and went on to create a decent Portuguese army. Here we are, 200 years later, and what thanks do we get? Portugal also agreed with Spain to “divvy-up” the New World. A source of constant problems. Then, of course, we mustn't forget that the Portuguese, the Spanish and the Italians were well into the slave trade. Why doesn't that ever get mentioned? It's always Britain and the slave trade. But, authorised by the pope, Portugal was into the slave trade from the 1450s. The Spanish got into it in 1501. And Italy had the well-known slave markets of Genoa and Venice. Hang on, I get it. That's why you hate Britain. We banned it!
Oct 24th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Ex-pats are traitors!
For 8 Conqueror (#)
Oct 24th, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Pope ‘divvied-up’ Latin America between the Portuguese and Spaniards, long, long before the outbreak of the Peninsular War to which you refer.
I take it you’ve thoroughly read and understood the treaties relevant to Olivença in the native languages of all the signatories and that you don’t merely rely upon second-hand versions –each of which was not only discriminatingly distorted to suit the nationalistic propaganda of its particular promoter– but subsequently selectively edited yet again, to further the aims of so many so-called Historians, who’s main ambition was/is to make money from their ‘literary’ efforts.
I’m nominally a protestant with a tenuous connection to the original Quakers who fought so hard in the background to help Wilberforce & Co., abolish slavery within the British Empire and therefore, I’m certainly not a natural sympathizer with, nor much less an admirer of, Roman Catholicism. However, it’s a well established FACT that the Protestants treated their black slaves more inhumanely than did the Catholics. Even my erstwhile co-religionists sent emissaries to the New World with a specific purpose –that to try to persuade their Brethren to liberate their slaves– an enterprise that all too often, proved thankless and fruitless
Get real, Lad!
Cheers, Jim.
9 JimHandley
Oct 25th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may have to remind me what religion all these New World slave owners were: heretic RCs, radical Protestants and not forgetting all the other wacko nut jobs “all in the name of Jesus”.
What do the people of Olivença want?
Oct 25th, 2013 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately for Brasiliero, Brazil is too placid and domestic have any enemies. It also doesn't have any great allies either. Brazil is about as Portuguese as the US is British.
The days of border changes in Europe are pretty much gone. Maybe one or two new ones in Belgium or perhaps a new one in Spain. But Olivença and Gibraltar etc won't be changing.
As for Spain's lacklustre economic performance, perhaps it is a case of too little too late. The days of huge subsidies and infrastructures projects from the EU are probably gone. Couples with the low birth rate, ageing population and reverse migration; Spain's economy is now dealing with a declining population. Especially damaging as it is the youngest and educated that are leaving. Taking with them their education investment, future decades of tax paying and the next generation.
The Spanish government doesn't have it in them to tackle these problems. It's too busy chasing delusions such as Gibraltar. Catalonia might be the impetus for change but I'm not optimistic.
Hello,
Oct 26th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For: 10 ChrisR (#)
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Of course! According to the founding fathers of Judaism’s precepts, ALL Christians– who by the way, didn’t become ROMAN until the advent of Constantine the Great– were and still are, heretics worthy of nothing less than capital punishment.
For: 11 Anglotino (#)
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You pose a very interesting question, Mate!
However, as far as I’m aware,–contrary to the case of the ‘Llanitos’ of Gibraltar, who on number of occasions, have already democratically determined their political future– nobody has yet bothered to ask the ‘Olivençeros’ to opine which national affiliation they’d prefer –Portuguese or Spanish.
Meanwhile, the Madrid Govt elects to act toward Gibraltar in an emotionally hysterical manner appropriate to that of an angry ‘hormonal’, 13 years’ old schoolgirl who’s desperately trying to justify a mistake of her own making.
But that’s no reason why WE contributors to this discussion, should make fools of ourselves too, by responding in kind!!!
Cheers, Jim, in Madrid.
Agreed Jim.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0But the fact that the residents of Olivença have never agitated for a change to their 200 year status as part of Spain doesn't bode well for Portugal.
The days of exchanging land complete with a captive and unwilling population are now gone. Unfortunately neither Spain nor Argentina have cottoned on to this fact. It's why Portugal doesn't press the claim.
13 Anglotino (#)
Oct 27th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0From the times of the Salazar dictatorship to well into those of the present Lusitanian democracy, I was regular visitor to the Portuguese region adjoining Olivença and I can assure you of the local population’s deep resentment of Spain’s occupation part of THEIR ‘Portuguese territory’. This widespread sentiment extended from peasant farmers right up to senior police (GNR) officers, who –especially during the Fascist dictatorship– were/are highly influential members of the socio-political hierarchy. However, for reasons of which I’m unaware, it seems that the Portuguese media chooses to play the matter down rather than to ‘agitar mierda la española’ (stir up the shit, Spanish style)
On the other hand, the Spanish media have elected to prosecute vigorously a sycophantic, contentious, pro-regime, drumbeating, almost defamatory campaign against the free exercise of basic human rights by Gibraltar’s inhabitants.
I must say that not having visited Olvença for some 15 years’, I’m not au fait with current Portuguese feelings about the matter.
Cheers, Jim, in Madrid.
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