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Sunday election, an anticipation for the 2015 post Cristina Fernandez chapter
Sunday's midterm election in Argentina has become crucial for the government of President Cristina Fernandez who must retain control of Congress in the last two years of her mandate ahead of the 2015 presidential election, otherwise she runs the risk of becoming a lame duck accompanied by a most unwished end for the legacy of the Kirchner couple decade-plus rule. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMy beat is Massa is going to overcome Insaurralde between 8-10% points... An Argentine journalist defined this as “the arm (Massa) that dis-attaches itself from the rest of the body (FpV) in the 44th minute of the second half”
Oct 26th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There might be a short lived honey moon after, but the divorce is inevitable, profound contradictions are admitted by them and defections are being highlighted daily by the melting power house.
May the Gods help us when the next government allows the evil northern foreigners to come in and destroy us out of their racism, beliefs of cultural supremacy, and bleak dearth of respect for all other societies, species, and ways of thought.
Oct 26th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't more than 40 years enough? Brainwashed, dumb, ignorant, uneducated argieland believed the lies of its nazi hierarchy. Shouldn't the people of argieland look around the world? Germany is now a “friend”. Japan is now a “friend”. Italy is now a “friend”. Although some are more “friends” than others. For example, Italians have always been cowards. But it is most important that those who believe in the argie supremacy ethic are killed/executed. Let there be no mercy. Kill!
Oct 26th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Germany, Japan, and Italy “owed” you. More precisely the Americans. They were reconstructed. So was Britain and France.
Oct 26th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally different situation with Argentina. We owe you or the others no favors. You never did anything “kind” for us. WE don't want you to do anything kind for us.
We don't owe anyone any friendship.
#4
Oct 26th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy your misery and martyrdom....it suits your personality.
You really are a bundle of joy! I refuse to play with the rest of the world. They are mean to us......we are blameless. Grow up and get a life outside the internet !
You have effectively destroyed your country without any foreign interference. Meanwhile in the REAL world your country MAY just pull through if it can sort out its lunatic politics instead of chanting failed dogma.
The rest of the world -even in the North-doesn't hate you.
5) I don’t want to be want to be playing the cop here, and middling in other people’s business and certainly taking of what other folks say. I don’t agree with TTT in perhaps anything, but the only thing he is saying and proposing, based on his distrust to the outsiders whatever it may be he calls them “Northerners, Anglos and Latin-Americans” (regardless if it is unfounded or not) is to isolate Argentina from the world like the Ming dynasty did in China or the Tokugawa shogunate in Japan. It’s a perfectly fair and respectable stance he has….I haven’t for the time I’ve being here seen him saying and going about the need to kill anybody and talking about Argentine ethnical supremacy.
Oct 26th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 06) Yes, you haven't been here long enough. He used to be quite interesting to debate with but he has aired some pretty extremist and offensive views. Not that he should be taken too seriously. TTT is angry at the world and full of self-hatred. He could start a fight in an empty room.
Oct 26th, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He went from someone with some interesting ideas to a person who will say anything to get attention. He doesn't actually believe half the things he says. Just sayin'.
A succession war is coming up in the Peronist party after the elections. Hopefully Scioli, Massa, De la Sota and Uribarri kill each other on the process, but I reckon Massa will just wait and see the whole thing unfold and eventually the Peronist party will come to him either way. However I believe if things may get to dirty and unclear amongst them, there will be a fair chance for a coalition UNEN, UCR, Socialists to present a formula composed by Cobos, Binner o Carrio with a clear opportunity of accessing power in 2015.
Oct 26th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were increasingly becoming like Venezuela, now slowly will start moving away from being like them. Argentina, having prevented itself from being transformed into a total dictatorship, the remnants of Republicanism can have some breathing space, enough to start all over again.
@7 Elaine you forgot to mention he doesn't even live in rgenweener anyway
Oct 27th, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3“But it is most important that those who believe in the argie supremacy ethic are killed/executed. Let there be no mercy. Kill!”
Oct 27th, 2013 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Cabezadura
I'm assuming those are the extremist views Elaine is decrying. Too bad they are the views from a guy on her side of the pro/anti Argentina debate!
Ever seen Elaine or the others call Conqueror out? Think about it really hard, because you haven't.
But extremist comments like @3 are totally glossed over and my “extremist views” from 6 months ago still resonate with them. Unbiased?
First of all I do have a deep respect for ElaineB, she is NOT like Conqueror nor the other extremists around, she clearly is a very well educated and traveled and respectful woman.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0For what I have seen only on this thread I have to agree with you 100%. I think you are perfectly entitled to your opinions but I warn you, you are trending on thin ice when you add many adjectives to the word “foreigners” or “northerners”. I recommend you to avoid those adjectives it will help you a lot more.
Whatever you do in your private life and wherever it is you live is your business. However I don’t understand that you call for Argentine isolationism and hold these particular views living abroad. I’m afraid you do have to practice what you preach in order to make yourself believable. But still, it’s no reason for to be bullied around.
I only advocate isolationism because those countries do NOT want to help us, or be productive partners with us. They just want to dominate us politically by making sure they keep their firepower and we develop none, force us into trade agreements where their products enter unrestricted but they can keep subsidizing their markets so our products can't compete, or outright keep many products out of agreements; and to drag us into their imperialist conflicts of the Middle East and other places when they want to build “coalitions of the willing” so they can hide behind us to use military force against civilians and call it “internationally sanctioned” (and not a go it alone measure).
Oct 27th, 2013 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do we get in return for that? Defenselesness, mass unemployment, and the drawing of a target for terrorists.
I say no thank you.
They simply have the budgets and the industrial military complex to be on the edge
Oct 27th, 2013 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0But they don’t have to help us?? We should take responsibility of our own selves and make our own decisions, that’s why we are an independent and sovereign nation.
I think people want to make money wherever it is to be made and establish commercial and economical relations beyond their own borders, it’s an irreversible tendency I’m afraid it’s called globalization.
The Americans tried to force as in into ALCA a decade ago, most of the people clearly didn’t want it, and we said no, and that was the end of story.
“where their products enter unrestricted but they can keep subsidizing their markets so our products can't compete, or outright keep many products out of agreements”…All countries do in larger or shorter extend, but how do you explain the countries in question have the largest trade deficits on earth and they have woken up sleeping giants over night that are no challenging their economical hegemony?
It was Menem who got interested in mending the relationship with the west in the early 1990s, he send over ARA Almirante Brown to the first Persian Golf war; it probably was the cause of having his own son murdered. The reason he did this was because during most of the 1980s Argentina remained isolated from most of the world after the war. Obviously when the wall came down and he came to power he must have felt he had to befriend the winners and be on their side.
“What do we get in return for that? Defenselesness, mass unemployment, and the drawing of a target for terrorists.”
Save for the latter, most of it is our own fault.
I hope you can come back whenever you can, live and work for some time here and learn about Argentine history, society and politics you may realize things are a bit more complicated than they seem.
@10 Oh dear. You do walk straight in and shoot yourself in the head, don't you? You remind me of Goebbels. Your most notable comments are that you hate all “northers”, “europeans”, north americans. Argieland is self-sufficient in everything and “needs” nothing and no-one. Argieland wants to be “isolated” and not have to put up with requirements from elsewhere. Argieland also sees itself as so “advanced” that it can ignore laws, responsibility and so forth at will. I compare this to all the segments of humanity that the nazis hated. If argieland is so self-sufficient, explain the lack of bread, due to the lack of wheat. Why is argieland having to buy and import so many cargoes of LNG? If argieland wants to be “isolated”, why does it trade with other countries? Why does it bring up cases at the WTO to say that other countries aren't being “fair”? If it's so self-sufficient, how did it get into so much debt? Why does it ignore its responsibility to repay the money it borrowed? How many laws does it regularly breach? The UN Charter has the status of international law. Why does argieland breach it so often? So much like nazis. Until they got the new idea of taking over the world. I could say that argieland is headed toward the nazi ideas about a “solution”. But what need? It's where argieland started. And how many times has it done it? Recalling that argieland existed before it had its current name, murder started before the Viceroyalty. The civil wars. The wars of the desert. The seizure of Patagonia. The Dirty War. The Falklands War and attempted ethnic cleansing. And it hasn't stopped there!
Oct 27th, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Don't call me an extremist. You don't know enough. Old saying: “Do unto others before they do it to you”. And argieland, exemplified by TiT, is intent on “doing” everyone. Since I see what's coming, I believe in kicking it in the balls and then stamping on its head. If that doesn't teach it to grow up, hopefully it will make it incapable!
Look who has got his hand in his sock puppet, Boudou
Oct 27th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.perfil.com//export/sites/diarioperfil/img/ediciones/0828_fotos/0828_politica/0828_102613_g_boudou_telam.jpg_1586016621.jpg
14) You know I’m no fan of political correctness, but you can’t possibly account yourself as non- extremist when you have mentioned in various opportunities your desire to have Argentina nuked. You reap what you saw. Nuclear bombs dont discriminate between nationalist and non-nationalists.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t think TTT is the victim here as it turned out on the first comments of the “France and Germany demand….” thread wishing the total destruction of “Anglo countries”, but he has a right not to like you as just as much as you don’t like us. What I don’t like at all is double standards and people who are condemned disproportionately from stating their views when they are non extremist like I perceived in this case.
TTT said I don't condemn extreme views on both sides. This is selective memory as I have, on occasion, pulled up individuals where I think they are being purely offensive. Though it is not my role to act as a moderator. I have also talked in general about posts that drip venom and there are certain posters that I just skip over. They never contribute anything of any meaning but use the board to vent their personal grudges.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People have the right to express their opinion but if I see xenophobic, misogynist and racist comments, I am going to challenge that opinion.
I also think humour is often lost in translation on this board. It is a shame because some of the more witty comments are not meant to be taken literally.
You are quite right, you can’t be noticing, correcting and challenging extremist on both sides all of the time. Neither can one be the attorney of people who are old enough to be responsible for what they say and being able to defend themselves.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT asked me if I’m trying to dialogue, he continued and said to me he had tried to dialogue some two years ago and has given up on it. I think he has lost is moral high ground along the way by becoming an extremist but that is possibly due to he was drawn to fighting in the mud, and he got run over and bullied and it has now become personal for him. But I don’t know nor can I say this for sure. What I know for sure is once you loose the moral high ground with these kind of remarks in these forums in which there is a minority of the pro Argentina side you are bound to be run over.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/27/argentina-midterm-elections-cristina-fernandez
Oct 27th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't miss the pic of CFK.
A big up to all the FpV candidates, hope Argentina delivers a shock to the rightwing trolls on here!
Oct 27th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#19 Beautiful pic =) And when did you become a guardianista?!
I thought that scary witch was for Halloween but it was just CFK.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't read the Guardian I just went there for the pic.
The Ks have already conceded.
20) Just back from taking the trash out... A big pile of untouched FpV ballots where I voted.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a bit to late for that mate....
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/04/16/gentes/1366116652.html
Ashame we in the Islands could not vote- Christina would have got a very solid YES from here - she is just GREAT for us - she helps us a huge amount internationally, makes our job pretty easy - long may she reign!
Oct 27th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC...
Oct 27th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Election day is over...
FpV keeps its mayority in the Congress and the Senate...
Meaning that, from tomorrow, the blue dollar, bread and tomatos will see much lower prices...
Think is happy.... :-)))
23) Please take her as your President!!!
Oct 27th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 024) But you said you would not vote for Yahuar(FpV)…. And where is the support and love you had sworn to her??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqzybHX3VX0
(25) CabezaDura
Oct 27th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't vote for Yahuar....
If you have to know, I voted for Petersen....
Enijau...... 30 years of democracy...... Think is happy..... :-)))
I warn you Mr Think, she doesn’t take people abandoning her so easily; she is going to be very upset, she has never been upset with the penguins down south, now you will get to know her….
Oct 27th, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Abandoning her? Who is abandoning her?
Oct 27th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 035/72 senators
132/257 congress(wo)men
That's quite impressive regarding the fact she was all but moribund according to some posters here...
28) Do you think that those lawmakers are not trying to fix a ticket to the Massa or Scioli boat?? Even some top dogs of La Campora like Ottavis are doing so
Oct 27th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Massa up 10% over Insaurralde...
http://www.urgente24.com/220221-boca-de-urna-bonaerense-proyeccion-de-10-puntos-de-ventaja-para-massa
Hahahaha bye bye losers !!
“Meaning that, from tomorrow, the blue dollar, bread and tomatos will see much lower prices”...?...ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa !!!
Oct 27th, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, based on the peronist delusions “the market” doesn't exist...the monetary base doesn't exist....bread and tomatoes neither...we will prefer crackers and onions...
Tomorrow Argentine people will run to sell dollars and to buy argentine pesos (mainly with the face of Evita) !!!!..I want to get rid of dollars !!!......I WANT ARGENTINE PESOS !!!!
The BCRA will ban the trade of Argetine Pesos
For God's sake..think must be about 13 years old !!!!
Cabeza
Oct 27th, 2013 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How did Massa fare in the rest of the country?
Hahaha Stevie you know nothing. The Province of BA has 11 million electors, In CABA Filmus a permanent loser has being defeated there more times than San Marino in the qualifiers I will be surprised if he kept a seat, they have lost in Santa Fe, Mendoza and it will be an honor if Cordoba doesn’t send over a single K congressman this year as Baldassi takes over the third place. Those are the key electoral regions, but once you lose in BsAs province your time is up
Oct 27th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cabeza
Oct 27th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How DID Massa fare in the rest of the country?
LOL I know what you are trying to get at… Unfortunately for you it doesn’t work like that, you have to measure the FpV performance in each district against the local candidates.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But don’t worry Pepe can always get a job as a gardener in Cristina’s mansion in Patagonia, before she goes to jail that is. In the meantime you and Eduardo Galeano can travel and peregrinate and pray to the shrine of Nestor down there too, and pass by Chubut which is close by and have a couple of mates remember and talk about the good ol’ days…
I see you choose to paint a picture instead of responding with words.
Oct 27th, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's ok, a picture says more than a thousand words anyway...
So, that's how he fared in the rest of the country...
;)
I told you it doesn’t work like that It doesn’t work like that thicko, if you want to hace an idea you must add up to Massa’s millions in BsAs the votes Peronist opponents like De la Sota, Yoma, Das Neves, Rodriguez Saa,etc and that is the base of any Peronist alternative for 2015. LOL I will leave the maths to you ..
Oct 27th, 2013 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, because all those you mention are the people of Massa...
Oct 27th, 2013 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But indeed, feel free to leave the math to me... should be quite simple.
Or should I say binary... Either they stand alone, or they are nobodies...
Stevie you know nothing about Argentine politics, I'm not a Peronist, never have voted them, but you must understand how this works before you come around with wishfull thinking and coments that are looser than Monica Farro's underwhere. Believe you me when I say they Ks are history, they are history
Oct 28th, 2013 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0This are August results that and it will be worse for you tonight rest assured. Says it all bye bye Cristina
http://especiales.lanacion.com.ar/multimedia/proyectos/13/08/elecciones/mapa/index_resultados.html
Nice selective representation. Well worthy of la Nación.
Oct 28th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, I think 35/72 senators and 132/257 congressmen is a good indication that the history you mention is quite recent...
;)
LOL, If it was so significant as you think, have you wandered why cant they have the Constitution modified and Cristina re-re elected in 2015?
Oct 28th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Cabeza, the fact that you guys don't seem to have anyone to take over after Cristina might be a fact, but I don't see the opposition presenting an alternative. Massa might be a popular figure, but he definitively doesn't represent any majority...
Oct 28th, 2013 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because, how did he fare in the rest of the country? You are right when you say that he is up against local competition that isn't there on the Presidencials, but so is FpV, and how did they fare in the rest of the country?
The news tonight is that FpV is history. A political corpse. Maybe Macri launches his intention tonight of a presidential aspiration. The other option will rise between Carrio, Cobos and Binner center left pro republican alliance. Any of those options Im goin to consider in two years
Oct 28th, 2013 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0#42 “The news tonight is that FpV is history. A political corpse”
Oct 28th, 2013 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even though it won the most seats. Riiight...
Btw how did Victoria Montenegro do? I saw about her, described as an “ultra-K”, in an article about children of the disappeared standing as candidates, she seemed absolutely lovely =)
Nice to meat you British_Kirchnerist, I'm an Argentine_Ukiper myself
Oct 28th, 2013 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean are you for real?
Victoria Montenegro? Never heard of her. The only mature the have which I like is Jiuliana Di Tullio
@Cabezadura
Oct 28th, 2013 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The other option will rise between Carrio, Cobos and Binner center left pro republican alliance”
Are you joking right?
I prefer Monica Farro at list with her will be not economic bottom line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMA7j9nLa_Y
can we change the musik now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMA7j9nLa_Y
#44 Here's an article you might like then Argentine_Ukipper, from the man I wish was Britain's PM =) http://redmolucca.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/scotland-farage-and-me/
Oct 28th, 2013 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The only mature the have which I like is Jiuliana Di Tullio”
Take it mature means child of the disappeared? Never heard of Juliana, thought I take it she's right wing if you like her?
#45 Nice to see you again Danny, you'll have heard of Victoria Montenegro right?
45)A lot of your kind will shift their vote to a center left coalition like that one, because there will not be a pure Kirchnerite candidate..... Oh wait a moment, Maximo “talked” for the first time yesterday attempting to fit in daddy’s boots. God he is rubbish.
Oct 28th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 046) I don’t like her that much, she is a lifelong bureaucrat I only said she was a nice milf of the FpV camp. I would cut my hands before voting her. Someone with Farage’s character, ideas and honesty is exactly the kind of guy we would need in Argentina… With so many hand picked auto-imposed noquis it would be priceless to watch him march in the entire Argentine state and demanding and saying to everybody: “YOU LOOK LIKE A LOW GRADE BANK CLARK, the question that I want to ask is WHO THE HELL ARE YOU???, WHO VOTED FOR YOU??!”
“Someone with Farage’s character, ideas and honesty is exactly the kind of guy we would need in Argentina”
Oct 28th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone with his character and honesty, but better ideas, is what we need in Britain too; hence my support for Galloway. In Argentina you're already lucky to have Cristinita =)
#46 BK
Oct 28th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#45 DB
“ Nice to see you again Danny, you'll have heard of Victoria Montenegro right?”
Nice friends you have ! Quote from Dany.....
Do you mean like poor, worthless Scotland?
Why anyone will bother to talk with you? Are you crazy?
As a lover of all things Argentinian, you probably agree with him but again what are your Scottish credentials ?
2 The Truth PaTroll
Oct 28th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“May the Gods help us when the next government allows the evil northern foreigners to come in and destroy us out of their racism, beliefs of cultural supremacy, and bleak dearth of respect for all other societies, species, and ways of thought.”
How many Indians were slaughtered so that you could steal their land?
Are you echoing their words there?
You might want to take a moment and think about it............
Clown
#49 Didn't see that! Maybe he's just taking my own opposition to Scottish nationalism a bit far!
Oct 28th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems that FpV and Allies are getting 39 senators...
Oct 28th, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the “big win” was to make FpV lose enogh seats to avoid a supposed change in the constitution.... well, that failed too...
52) Its funny to see you insist in wishfull thinking Stevie. And about a country of which its political system you do not understand and know nothing about. The FpV needed another 50% of the country’s vote to impose themselves changing the constitution and having CFK re-reelected in 2015. But this is out of the question not since last night, but two months ago after the PASOs.
Oct 29th, 2013 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The irony is that Urribarri wants to challenge Scioli for the electoral inheritence of the FpV. So you will have to support the biggest enemy of your country from now on for your own ideological fantazies.
And you will do this because It’s clear you will even sale your own mother to them.
Cant you realize that not enven the Kirchnerites of these forums are stating what you are??
GET REAL & GET OVER IT
In my ignorance, I remember Menem changing the constitution.
Oct 29th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now, I might be wrong, but I'm sure he didn't have that kind of majority you speak about...
#52&54 Very interesting. And of course the FpV majority was no les when the oil company was nationalised...
Oct 29th, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, exately he managed to do so because he was much more dialoguist, open and democratic than the Ks, he had true political habitily to reach consensus rather than just forcing with the majorities and decrees everething. Argentina was much more bypartissan back then, so for to change the constitution he could only do so whith the concent of Alfonsin. The negotiations and the political agreement was called the Pacto de Olivos.
Oct 29th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trolley
Oct 29th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to mistake these boards for “the real world”.
Most of the hatrid for the Argentine government and the Malvinista trolls that frequent it is based full square on the Falklands question, and yes..the “Malvinas son Argentine” doctrine...the vidoes of children being indoctrinated, the songs, cartoons, myths and lies...together with the recent memories for some of us of the conflict...stir a disgust and contempt, that CFK and Timmerman continue wallow in.
That aside, 99% of people who post on these couldn't give tuppence about a fairly irrelevant country half a world away, give or take Lionel Messi and Carlos Tevez.
Your view that the world has “got it in for Argentina” is laughable, as if the world could give a shit about Argentina let alone victimise it.
Look at Japan and South korea...traded with the “evil west” for 50 years and have the highest standard of living in their region
Look at Hong kong and Singapore...embraced capitalism and reaped the benfits.
China and Vietnam huge growth based on international trade.
Russia, India, Brazil, Mexico fast expanding and finally their population are seeing the benefits...none of them seem to be a victim of this “global conspiracy”.
They trade and deal on mutually benefecial terms:
So why is Argentina different?
What you are fed as strengths of your government...are fundamental and pathetic weaknesses.
Borrowing money and not paying it back by the legal terms by which you borroed it is theft...it does not make it easy to borrow again
Nationalising an industry and paying no compensation is theft...if does not make it easy to get international investment
Claiming territories where the people who live there dont want to be part of your country is theft...
Sadly you wish to blame the US or Europeans or whoever for Argentinas failures in the world economy...but China, Brazil, South Korea, India, Mexico, Russia, Japan, South Africa...etc etc etc all seem to be able to grow and prosper.
@Monkeymagic
Oct 30th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Sadly you wish to blame the US or Europeans or whoever for Argentinas failures in the world economy...but China, Brazil, South Korea, India, Mexico, Russia, Japan, South Africa...etc etc etc all seem to be able to grow and prosper”
Let me see...
Homelessness in Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
To get into an apartment you need U$s 9624
Rent U$S 1604 plus expenses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
South Africa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
South Korea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
Mexico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
Cabeza
Oct 30th, 2013 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Menem was a common criminal, lets leave it at that.
What's he up to now, by the way?
And say what you want, but there is no need of dialogue when you have own majority. An info meeting is sufficient..
;)
DopeyBugger
Oct 30th, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You wasted your time with the youtube links...they are ALL richer than Argentina, every country has economic issues...none have ever defaulted on a debt the size of Argentina...
Strange that!
@Monkeymagic
Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bull shit, go to live inTokyo with a salary of USD4000 and you will see how poverty looks like.
And who cares if country has or not defaulted?
And by the way South Africa is not richer than Argentina measuring by any mean.
BTW where are you from? fantasy land perhaps?
ha ha
Poverty in Tokyo versus poverty in Buenos Aires..you seriously want to make that comparison...hahahahahahahaha...what a moron.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares if a country has defaulted....hahahahaha...exactly your attitude dickhead...every other country cares, anyone who might lend you money in the future cares, only Argentina sees money lent as an optional contract to repay.
Hows your plan to invade the Falklands going Dany...wasnt it 100,000 Argentines you were prepared to sacrifice (but not yourself)...nobody has taken up your plan.
Hahaha Stevie Menem had charisma something the Kirchner couple never had and relatively speaking Menem was a poor chicken thief in comparison of Cristina and Nestor have stolen
Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0If there is no need for dialogue, then why haven’t they got the constitution modified with there own majorities ? I already asked you this and you deflected.
Why don’t you talk something you know about, let’s leave it at that.
@Monkeymagic
Oct 30th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only moron here is you in Tokyo some people live in extreme poverty it is expensive, overcrowded very cold in winter.
Go there and like the people from the video try to live on the streets or in this shelters without electricity, nor running water, no toilettes and then when your @rse gets frozen tell me if that is better than anywhere.
In fact if I have some day to face extreme poverty I will choose Brazil close to the beach 1000 times before to live in a box in Tokyo or other places in Europe.
“anyone who might lend you money in the future cares”
Fine, as I don’t need your money and also will not in the future, now you can lend it to Japan and if in the case that they won’t pay you can have your own experience about to be a poor idiot in Tokyo.
64) You have to be a deluded retarded K to compare the dignity and the numbers of those Japanese homeless to MASS STRUCTURAL POVERTY of BsAS, Rosario or Mendoza. Nobody can take your comparisons seriously. I wonder if you have ever set a foot on a shanty town, I have.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Richest countries by CFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iubXSnJkg4
@CabezaDura
Oct 30th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- I’m not “K” or whatever this means for you, still Dany thank you...
2- 20% of the Japanese population is currently living in poverty in Japan let’s say close to 26 million people.
That is close to the total population of CABA(2 890 151), Buenos Aires(15 625 084), Córdoba(3 308 876), Mendoza(1 741 610) and Santa Fe(3 200 736) Total 26.766.457
And over a territory close to the size of the Buenos Aires Province (307.571km2) Japan(377.835)
What means to be in poverty in Japan?
Well people that cannot afford more than 1 meal a day (usually rice), homeless, people collecting rubbish or cans for recycling, People working but no earning enough to meet basic needs like food, to pay a rent, etc.
That is poverty!!!!!!!!!!!
“Cartoneros” made in Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3iQMUoFzMc
That is what you call dignity????
Japan suffered a financial crisis in the 90 and the govt. instead of allow the banks go burst they implemented the famous QE & bailouts (print money to save the banks) and that dragged Japan into 23 years of stagnation combined with deflation.
Does it sound familiar?
It is the same thing that are doing US, UK & co.
Do you want to see Shantytowns in Europe now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3iQMUoFzMc
DanyBerga; No you are right. You are not a K you are a KK
Oct 30th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If anything Japan may have a working class of 15% of its population that isnt going through a good time but its got the dignity to keep on working and not beg on the streets and the governments purse for a vote. Any single shanty town in BsAs is larger in number than 15.000 homeless that according to these YT documentaries exist...Your spin is laughable. ARGENTINA HAS MASS STRUCTURAL POVERTY, unseen in Western Europe and Japan and uncomparable by all means
@CabezaDura
Oct 31st, 2013 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well honouring your nickname right?
Japan= 23 years of stagnation, 20% living in poverty, etc
That is structural poverty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHv8ngrJQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHv8ngrJQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHv8ngrJQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHv8ngrJQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHv8ngrJQ4
The first is a LIE and BIASED
Oct 31st, 2013 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The second is crap.
THIS IS STRUCTURAL POVERTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mVCVmG0TY
@CabezaDura
Oct 31st, 2013 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You make a big salad to try to make your point and mix everything.
You are mixing poverty with violence, Hooligans, old videos from the 2001 arg. Crisis, illegal immigration, cultural matters, and reality shows programs like the “Policias en Acción”etc.
Anyway doesn’t matter “Simon” I guess we have this conversation before remember?
Still Japan facing 23 years of deep economic problems and with 20% of poverty and well hidden under nice bridges and cyber-cafes...
By the way how is like to live in poverty like you do?
Dopeybugger
Oct 31st, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Japans GDP per Capita is THREE TIMES HIGHER than Argentinas.
if they have stagnated it is from a base that you can only dream of...poor Dany..clueless to the last.
GDP shows the production of the country, it says NOTHING about poverty or lack of...
Oct 31st, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope most of the vids are 2011/2012. But you are right there is a single video that’s old, shanty towns have grown in double since 2003 when Nestor came to power.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a common denominator in crime, drugs like paco, domestic violence, lack of proper housing and homelessness and that is POVERTY. MASS STRUCTURAL POVERTY. Unlike seen in Japan.
You must suffer a serious dishonesty complex to point finger at Japan about this and deny MASS STRUCTURAL POVERTY IN ARGENTINA.
Btw….Is this the same Simon, the British users negatively compared me against?
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