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Botnia/UPM conflict: Argentina retaliates against Uruguay with trade and port measures
Argentina has made public its first retaliation against Uruguay over the Botnia/UPM pulp mill controversy and has banned Argentine exports from being trucked to Montevideo for shipment overseas. The resolution was published Tuesday in the Official Gazette and invokes maritime transport agreements in the framework of Mercosur. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHow childish, this is Latam solidarity?
Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another case of Argentina cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Argentina isn't exporting because it hasn't got enough produce to feed their own people, so are holding it back.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay will continue normal jogging as usual, I'm sure.
Argentina will continue to implode, at an ever increasing rate.
i'm sure the whole of Argentina suffers with Bipolar disorder.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is why Mercosur is such a failure!
Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe has let CFK walk all over him for many years. The old drunk commie gets what he deserves.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a foolish man.
It is sad for Uruguay that he is so weak and stupid.
I read this and tried to understand where argieland was going. “As of the signing of the resolution Argentine shipments to Uruguay arriving by land and to be loaded in vessels to other continents are banned”. So no more argie shipments to Uruguay then! The straightforward response in order not to discriminate. Abandon all argie suppliers and import from Brazil. Of course, we'll have to wait to see what other “measures” argieland comes up with. But here's a good Uruguayan response. Close the bridges! A few dozen concrete blocks for each bridge. Nobody and nothing gets across. What a wonderful, reasonable, diplomatic state argieland is...NOT!
Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile: We support your claim to the Falklands!
Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina: We welcome your LATAM solidarity-now I hope you don't mind, to reward you for that we are going to help Cowpat claim some of your land.
Uruguay: We support your claim to the Falklands!
Argentina; Thanks for that. To reward you for your solidarity we are not going to show you evidence that we are polluting the river, but are going to punish you for not polluting it as much as we are.
UK: Pepe, you still don't get it why we have to station our forces in the Falklands Do you mate? You never will.
One question Pepe. Do the UK and a population of 3000 get bullied by Argentina?
Answer=NO.
Work out why, your socialist principles cut no ice with Argentina, you still get bullied and stabbed in the back.
However, you are not alone.
I see another own goal by Argentina.
@7 Pete
Oct 30th, 2013 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have noticed just lately thst much less hot air is being wafted your way and the wind has changed to blow across the Plate
Neo Fascist type governments always need an enemy. They have finally realized they are getting nowhere with you lot so find another weak link, us
Whoops did I say neo Fascist? That must be wrong as they are Socialists elected by popular vote. Sounds like a rerun of elections in 1934 in Germany. Yes the National Socialist party led by one Herr Adolf Hitler
redpoll
Oct 30th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay a weak link? And you call yourself Uruguayan? Or was that the little expat in you taking the stick for a sec?
The Deep sea port will, if built, nullify the importance of BsAs port.
The paper mill is an Argentine neighbour, with all the downsides it brings with it and at the same time it offers nothing to that side of the border.
I defend Uruguayan interests, but calling Uruguay a weak link is just way off.
And Argentina will have to do what they can to ensure their domestic production in the future, because like it or not, the Uruguayan decisions will affect them directly.
Regasification plant.
Mining industry.
Deep sea port.
Railway system.
Weak link...
There is no reason to blame Argentina.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The country is in a desperate situation and the poor, poor widow (sob, sob) has to stay in the asylum ... ehrm, hospital, for another 3 weeks.
The Maoist guy is in charge, right? In every global downturn, the hyperinflation countries may get fiesty. Grab some popcorn.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as CFK is concerned,
Oct 30th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s my way or the high way,
Loyalty only extends as far as it suits me,
Allies,
With allies like argentina, who the hell needs enemies lol.
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Stevie who wants CFK re-reelected even more so than the Argentine K posters here is saying that he defends Uruguayan interests.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do I want CFK re-elected?
Oct 30th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cabeza, I understand you are in desperate need of arguments, but telling ME what I want according to YOU is a little cheap, don't you think?
Agency tasked to protect Great Barrier Reef lead by cheerleaders of the mining industry
Oct 30th, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/42542-australia-probes-great-barrier-reef-board-over-mining-links
HAHAHAHAHA. Only in Angloland could these things happen. No wonder the enviromental record of Anglo societies is atrociously abominable.
Barking!!!
Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect that the data, if ever published, will show that this mill is the least of the pollution problems of the river Plate.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately Argentina is probably in a position to do quite some damage to Uruguay.
And because of that, CFK & Co will not let this go, not if they think they can batter Uruguay into submission.
Nature of the Beast.
Half of the Great Barrier reef is GONE since 1986 and these people concerned about a stretch of the Uruguay river.
Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo minds are a treasure-trove of quiddities.
TTT
Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't care a bit, their only aim is to plant the seed of division.
Big hug to our Brothers across the river, we might forever disagree, but our disagreements will always be the exception and the driving force that unites us in our equal rights.
Our equal rights to be different.
Are Argentines the only ones to have figured out the deleterious, albeit furtively sophisticated, geopolitik-psychological games the 5 anglo nations perform and have performed for decades in order to put the kibosh on the rise of non-anglo nations and cultures?
Oct 30th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been a lonely fight, but I think Latin America has been waking up, and now Europe is as well, and probably China.
Ooooh looky looky!!!
Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two mad frogs have jumped the box. Perhaps in the case of our juvenile mendocina isolationist, an insult to any self respecting frog. Recently spawned, his mind hasnt yet developed beyond the bullfrog tadpole stage and seems unlikely to metamorphise into amphibain adulthood before he croaks
And as for our Stevie, an Urugauyan expatriate telling those of us who live here what should be done.... Do I need to say more? The Uruguayan equivalent ofAlejandro Betts?
redpoll
Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that your futile argument? That's it?
You have no clue whatsoever where I am or what I do, but still you use that to defend your outrageous juvenile attacks on a Brother nation, calling your own supposed one for a “weak link” in the process.
No redpoll, say no more. In fact, the more you say, the more expat you become and less Uruguayan you are...
Putting aside the Barrier Reef which nothing whatsoever to do with article, do you support the Argentinean government actions Stevie?
Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple question. Do you support the actions (as reported here)? Or not. A one world reply will do. Mine is NO. Do we agree or disagree?
As reported here?
Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglolatino, the real world has little to do with what is reported here.
I barely agree with the date on this site and you ask me if I agree with what is printed...
One word.
No
@ 9 Stevie
Oct 30th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do not defend Uruguayan interests because you don't live here or even pay tax here.
You also defended TMBOA when she first kicked Pepe in the nuts over a perfectly run pulp mill with the world’s best environment record.
You must be out of your mind with this statement: “The paper mill is an Argentine neighbour, with all the downsides it brings with it and at the same time it offers nothing to that side of the border” WTF are the downsides? It’s an International Waterway and the mill operates as above. As far as I am concerned offering nothing to the argies is a point well in its favour – you are supposed to be Uruguayo FFS, start acting like one, I am more Uruguayo than you.
As for “The Deep sea port will, if built, nullify the importance of BsAs port” is like saying windmills will produce electricity IF the wind blows. It rarely happens and they are as much a joke as Pepe. He has failed with the Chin and is now looking at Brazil for finance. If he had not, and continues to, waste money on the “social inclusion” crap and rolling over two generations of sovereign debt in four years of his misrule (don’t forget Vasquez left a really good economy to these twats) he may well have had enough money to encourage TWB or a similar organization to cough up the balance.
AND, Redpoll has hit the nail on the head “The Uruguayan equivalent of Alejandro Betts?”
Shame on you, shame on you.
Chris
Oct 30th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there is something we Uruguayos do have, is respect for the opposition. Respect for democracy. And we will defend it with our teeths if need be.
I understand you feel the need of belonging to somewhere, which you do, by choice. Because you choose not to belong to your former nation. That's fine and understandable.
But don't project your insecurities on me, I know perfectly well where I belong to, where I am and where I'm heading.
You can aim all you wish, as you can fish all you want.
You are not hitting that target, simple as that.
@21 redp0ll
Oct 30th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I heard Argentine tadpoles turn into butterflies!
@25 ChrisR
Struck a nerve there Melchard, eh what!
Stevie Weak link. Well that is how the Argentine government sees us in thier quest for porteno hegenomy, to be bullied at will and I havent seen any dissenting voices here in ROU on that
Oct 30th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I agree on democracy. I have my views on Pepes poor performance, but he was elected by democratic vote and that I will defend, like him or not, if putsch comes to shove. Nunca mas!
Pepes slogan Education, education, education. Wel alot of money has been channeled into that sector but educational standards have just got worse and worse
Plan Ciebal was a great idea. Trouble is many of the rural schools dont have electricity and many of the teachers themselves are more computer illiterate than the kids they are teaching.
Regasification plant. Perhaps you havent been keeping up with Uruguayan news. ther have been quite a lot of local protests about that. Even Rucks the head of DINAMA says the decision was rushed through before a full study could be made. Originally it was supposed to be a joint project with Argentina, but like the dredging of the canal Martin Garcia, Argentina dragged its feet for so long that Uruguay elected to go it alone
Railways? One of Pepes priorities and rightly so. So what happened? Yes the rails on the main line were replaced, but nothing was done to the track bed or the ties, some of them more than a century old so theinfrequent cargo trains still trudle along at 20 kph
The timber trains to Fray Bentos had to be suspended after three derailments on a single journey
And the toy train from Argentina to Paso de los Toros, announced with bombas y platillos? Only once did it arrive hours late at its destination, and that on its inaugural journey. On the return journey two intrepid passengers boarded the train. I will go into your other items on another post about mining and deep water ports on the Atlantic
Go on, redpoll, this is bound to be fun...
Oct 31st, 2013 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well we're all on Uruguay's side it seems.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should be interesting to see what happens. One thing is for sure, this will drag on for quite a while.
No Stevie I dont think its fun.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pepes policy of being a good nieghbour hasnt worked.
If Argentina wants to go to hell on a handcart thats thier affair but thats no reason why Uruguay should be tethered like a dumb ox behind them.
Mining Yes I have been monitoring this for a number of years, particularly gold mining which uses a cyanide process. So far they dont seem to have put a foot wrong and thier land reclamation programs have seen animals and flora we thought were extinct recolonize these areas.Minas de Corrales would not be the prosperous little town if it was not for the mine.
I do have my reservations about Aritiri against which there have been local protests on a large scale, culminating in various departmental resolutions banning any mining activities
Its an Indian company with very little experience in mining and I suspect even less concern about complying with DINAMAS strict environmental rules
To be honest its a gut feeling but I am not happy with Aritiri
We have to get this right and if it takes a year or two the ore will still be in the ground and maybe we can get a better deal commercialy and environmentally
Deep water port on the Atlantic coast? Great idea and it would certainly get Buenos Aires portenos out of our hair. But its still on the drawing board
Montevideo and to a lesser extent Nueva Palmira have always been our export hubs. To skew that hub east will mean immense invetment in road, rail and logistic infrastructure. Can we do it?
Means diverting funds from other social projects. Can we do it?
To quote Obamas election slogan “Yes we can”, if we have the will to do so
What’s so funny to me is this poor guy Stevie, he might get bum raped, but as long as its Argentine or Latam doing him it’s ok for him, he will always find away to spin this around as a matter of fraternal Latam bondage... He won’t tolerate anybody from outside actually warning him or watch him over going this, those are the enemies for him. LOL
Oct 31st, 2013 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even for me as an Argentine it is clear this is retaliation for Uruguayan government authorizing UPM paper mill to increase production by the bullies who are in charge. Everybody knows how the Ks abuse power and how dirty they play here with those who do not submit to them.
However his love for Argentina has its limits, it is clear to me it’s the Argentine government which he really loves.
He wants re-reelected a government of which 70% of its population doesn’t approve any longer and he will become an expert in Argentine politics simply because he refuses to face up to reality.
Just amazing
I do try to reply rationally to my supposed compatriot Stevie. He says he knows where he is going. Perhaps his ambition is to be the next Gaulieter of the province of the Banda Oriental?
Oct 31st, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The behavior of the kitchenrist (
Oct 31st, 2013 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm on whatever side benefits Argentina, which almost always is the opposite side where foreigners stand on. Neither my position nor the position of foreigners should be of any surprise to anyone.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Position snotty? The missionary one?
Oct 31st, 2013 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cabeza
Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0My love is not for Argentina, it's for Latin America.
And as long as I see this lot destroying the world with their invasions, banking system and then selective argumentation, I will defend and throw the truth in their face.
Like with you now.
Your mentioned 70% is the total amount of the electorate, in relation to the whole country which is 100%, living in the districts where the opposition beat the officialism.
Tis does not mean that bloody all of them voted for the opposition.
See what I mean?
redpoll
Plan Ceibal - Wonderful idea, and the fact that the teachers are more computer illiterate than the kids is normal and part of the process. You have to start somewhere and this particular issue had presented itself in every part of the “computer literate” world.
Regas plant - Works with LNG, as in fossile fuels. Great idea for gas turbines but in the end it's a stopgap. Useful for peak load.
Railways and Deep sea port - This two are connected. Let me paint you a map:
Imagine Railways in Mercosur countries.
Imagine a Deep sea port outside Nueva Palmira.
Imagine a Canal in Guatemala.
Imagine all paid by the Chinese...
Why would they do that, you ask? Food. And the infrastructure to make it happen.
Open mines - Horrible idea. That project should end as a project. The quicker, the better.
You see redpoll, not al these Projects are great, or even good. Some of them aren't even ours, but we are dependant on people from other parts of the World to make them happen.
Still, Uruguay takes the decisions and in many cases, these decisions affect our neighbouring Brother nations directly.
These nations have to, precisely like Uruguay, make sure they to have a functioning production in the future.
Saying that Uruguay is a weak link is plain wrong, although I appreciate your explaination on the matter.
But attacking these other nations for doing what they feel they have to do is just as wrong, like Arg attacking Uru for the Deep sea port, claiming bullying...
@ 26 Stevie
Oct 31st, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like I “hit the target” to me and others on here.
@ 37 Stevie
Disingenuous to say the least!
I won’t bother with all the crap about “us lot” and your nonsense about the electorate BUT I will remind you that you threatened that if the risk of capitalism came back to Uruguay there would be three million “Tupas” this time. Ha, ha, ha. No there would not, there were only three THOUSAND at the end og the last fiasco that let the military in to rule the country. That was some success there, eh?
Regas LNG – gas turbines – REAL POWER ON TAP! Beats the piss-poor windmills hands down.
Are you a Beatles fan imagining all these imaginings? That is all they are and will ever be: imaginings while we have the commies in charge. Commies and imagination are an oxymoron.
In the UK there are a number of quarry sites and open cast coal mines that when they are won out they are restored to lovely nature reserves that will international prizes for the mine / quarry owners. It does not work in SA because nobody wants to have the expense of restoration.
And I thought this little gem was priceless: “Still, Uruguay takes the decisions and in many cases, these decisions affect our neighbouring Brother nations directly. These nations have to, precisely like Uruguay, make sure they to have a functioning production in the future.”
So the twats across the Plate closing ports and most likely bridges as they did before, whilst polluting the very same water with their industrial effluent that you claim Uruguay pollutes with the pulp mill is OK because of “Brotherly Love”.
There is only one answer to that. Don’t be so fucking stupid, the argies think we are dogshit.
37. If the railways, ports etc aren't also maintained by the Chinese I see them all crumbling in short order just like they did when the British left in the 1900s.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW what happens when China figures out it doesn't have any $ to pay for other country's infrastructure?
My guess is they have a credit bubble just about ready to burst.
I hear the non-federal gov't is debt is imploding right now.
Because really how many White House replicas does one country really need.
Stupid commie
Strong language Chris.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our Stevie is a romantic idealist who hasnt got his ideas sorted out. Possibly thinks we should all speak Esperanto?
Possible well intentioned but as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. He drops himself in the ordure every time with his half baked comments
For instance his remark about computer illiterate teachers. In any other profession you have to constantly update your skills to meet an ever changing world. A lot of teachers, I dont say all of them, have no interest in thier profession which is to educate and teach thier pupils how to think. These deadbeats just regard it as a job to be held onto rather than the excitement and reward of seeing a child progress.
IMHO all teachers should have to take a biannual test of thier competence as teachers.
Regarding mining, I think miners here have to post abond with the government for site reclamation in case they go bust or cut and run. Think in the case of the predeccors or Orosur it was 10 m dollars and I would imagine that money has long since disappeared into the black hole of rentas generales
Most politicians live from one election to another and could not care a hoot about long term consequences to the country
I once asked apolitician what were the plans for my community once the gold was worked out as the government was taking 10% royalty fees on the project, some of which should be invested back into the community for future development. The answer I got was No se aflije, Gold will never run out as the company will find more resources to exploit.
Needless to say thatI did not vote for his party at the elections
As to Stevies half baked dreams on railways, ports and canals, all I would say is wake up Stevie. Its all been done before and has been allowed to lapse into decadence and dereliction mainly for crazy political ideaology because they were constucted by dirty Yankee imperialists or money grubbing British and French capitalists.
40. There seems to be a lot of SA dreamers on this board. For some reason they can't look to their history to see what is bound to happen with their future.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They've had the same amount of time the USA has to develop their land and educate/train their workforce. Yet most of them are worse off than they were just 75 yrs ago.
There is no innovation, corruption is king, they devalue their way to riches and default often so what has changed?
Maybe, just maybe the USA aligned PA countries have finally left the Caudillo mentality behind. It will take some time to see how that pans out though.
Alba/Mercosur are still desperately clinging to the same policies that have destroyed their countries. Stupidly hoping the Chinese will bail them out this time.
It's Sad and Pathetic.
Stevie
Oct 31st, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I guess its NATO that’s blocking your bridges, it’s the US that is asking you not to increase your paper production just like it demanded the Iranians not to continue the uranium enrichment program, it’s UK that’s taking you to the ICJ.
Don’t forget either that the EU also retaliates prohibiting the use of your Uruguayan of its ports by its land products. LOL.
Stop bending over to us like that please!!! It’s embarrassing and pathetic. Stand up for your country you stupid fool.
@ 42 CabezaDura
Oct 31st, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are adressing somebody who claims to be an uruguayo, who claims to ”defend Uruguayan interests (in #9)” but does not live in Uruguay.
43) I don’t know, but I don’t think he is Argentine due to his complete lack of understanding of its political reality and its main districts; he became an expert overnight when he refused to accept that CFK is gone after Sunday’s election. Not even the K users here who are Argentine make up the same kind of wishful thinking he does.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 40 redp0ll
Oct 31st, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Strong language Chris.”
Absolutely and totally deserved. I really, really wonder about anybody earning the USD 150K that Stevie must do and then cannot understand why the local people here are flat broke: they live in a commie Utopia after all!
One of my friends is the general manager for six Movistar outlets and she was telling me what she earned and how much tax she paid. It is disgusting the amount people are taxed here for the level of pay they earn. She was also critical of Stevies favourite programme “Social Inclusion”; she understood that people who could not work because of short or long term health problems must be supported but she says that several people near to where she lives are very healthy and brag about how much money they have under this scheme and says it is unacceptable, to which I totally agree.
If the commies keep getting into power in Uruguay it will go the way of all the other wacko countries on the continent. That needs to be avoided at all costs.
I have our Stevie as an interllectual fluffy head with his head full of woolly ideas, almost totally divorced from reality. But unlike our snotty tadpole from Mendoza there is a possibility that he can be educated so I will continue to debate with him
Oct 31st, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 045) Yes but regardless of Stevie’s behavior and stupidity, Argentines do not think Uruguayos are dog shit, that’s something that you made up.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Oct 31st, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hate to break your little star-striped heart, but the USA stopped developping around 1960.
It reached it's economic peak in worldd weight about 1950, and in overall living standard (middle class size, income distribution, inequality gap, mobility) about 1964. Ever since then your GDP share has plummeted, your middle classs shrunk, and inequality gone from 40 to 1 to 600 to 1 rich : poor.
It reached its education peak around 1958, when it was top 5 in lower, high school, and upper education. Today it still retains the latter, but it has gone from 3rd in the other two to 36th in math and sciences, and falling.
It reached its cultural zenith in the 1960s. Since then your share of dominance of music hits, writers, and general fashion has declined steadily. Only Hollywood retains a firm monopoly but most people today see those films as cheap escapes and not serious art.
You reached your technological peak around the 1960-1980 period. Since then you have lost your ability to go to space, have COMPLETELY lost relevance in car manufacturing with Germany and Japan leaving you in the dust, lost dominance in telecommunications with Korea, Scandinavian companies leading the way, lost dominance in manufacturing with rust belts all over the place, lost home electronics and appliances leadership to Japan (home theather), Korea (televisions), washers and driers (Germany, Italy). You have lost your leadership in train technology from the early 20th century to the French, the Spanish, the Japanese, and Chinese. You are no longer relevant in innovating in the wine and spirits genre, when your cocktails and culture dominated earlier. All new drinks and trends come from Europe, or even South America.
Financially, you were the world's biggest debt holder in 1960, now you are the world's biggest debt ower.
And politically, no one respects you anymore. First Bush, and now everyone so dissapointed with Obama.
In short, you are a rusty shell, and entering the friable stage.
:(
48. Yet no links to prove any of your statements. Are you dreaming of our demise or thinking we are like Argentina?
Oct 31st, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lots of words from someone who could only dream of coming to the land of plenty some day.
Always the same arguments from you lot.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which is a constant reminder of your lack of the same.
Bloody hell guys, give me something to work with, your childish remarks are silly and boring...
Cabeza, the people blocking the bridge are inhabitants of Gualeguaychú, and I promise you they aren't there because they all vote for CFK. You show more respect for your own people.
In Uruguay we are fine, we don't need to address them because between you and me, we are in the right here and Argentina can take the case to ICJ if they want. Twice over if need be. That will change nothing.
But the fact that you wish for me to insult Argentina with this lot reading makes me think you are nothing but yet another expat.
My issues with Argentina I take with Argentinos.
You lot are nothing of the sort.
Here I will defend Uruguay, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Paraguay, Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador and bloody Surinam if need be.
At the same time I will most surely expose your own lots double morals straight in your faces.
Bon appetit.
Stevie, there is a difference between defending your country and needlessly insulting Argentina like everyone here does. You should check my comments with redpoll about this matter in which you even concurred, but of course your memory seems to be selective. Should I refresh it for you?
Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/10/03/argentina-will-challenge-uruguay-s-decision-to-expand-pulp-mill-production-at-the-hague-court-of-justice#comment278912
Otherwise people say here that the only real expat is you. I believe there should be mutual respect, good will amongst us and be friendly neighbors. I don’t respect nor want you kneeling down and sucking the Rosada’s co%&ck like your president has being doing for so long and you, yourself Stevie do here. I guess that the bon appetite you talk about?? It’s pathetic and sad..
Cabeza
Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go on, I will STILL not have a go at Argentina.
But I can have a go at you.
Look.
You say... a lot of crap. Take this for instance:
“He wants re-reelected a government of which 70% of its population doesn’t approve any longer and he will become an expert in Argentine politics simply because he refuses to face up to reality. ”
Where did I say I wanted CFK re-elected?
And pray tell me, where in Argentina did the opposition get 70% of the votes?
See?
Lets take yanqui.
He's yanqui. Enough said.
See?
Lets take Chris. He fled his country in order to save Money. Now he talks about Little else than the Brit superiority. He must be missing home...
So far off the grid that he think the Tupas lost, disregarding the fact that they today hold the President post and quite a few minister posts. And where are our historical foes? Well, those that aren't in jail are painting there asses pink for the upcoming elections.
Was that the comments you were so upset about, Chris? Read some Uruguayan history, the Pink party is historical prostitution. For ages we branded them same shit of different colour and now it seems they have another thing in common.
The colour.
Pink.
@ 47 CabezaDura
Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentines do not think Uruguayos are dog shit, that’s something that you made up.”
Regretabbly no, it is not, it is something I have experienced for myself and I am only in my third season here. Try walking in the shopping areas such as Punta del Este during the season and see what your compatriots get up to.
Podging the queue, even in front of children is very common as is arguing with the staff and parking with no regard whatsoever for others. On one occasion I was crossing on a pedestrian crossing in another resort and an argie plated Beemer crossed right in front of me sounding the horn for all he was worth: he was in the middle of the road!
Is that not downright disrespect for the locals or is it normal behaviour for your countrymen?
Yes, there are some very nice Argentines, my next door neighbour and his family for starters, the lady who runs the best restaurant in town and her mother and one or two others but the people who come over only for the season are another breed.
Yes Chris, because the Argentines in PdE are so very representative for the Argentine total population.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like me taking a failed abortion like conq and blaming the entire UK population...
Whilst I agree that some rich and arrogant porteños in Punta del Este are not the average Argentines I will reply this...
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last the Sunday it was proven that 70% of us do not agree with this government, do not spin this... You will suck up to Cristina or whoever is left wing and speaks this empty brotherhood talk. You said Menem was nothing but a thief, yet he respected your country during his mandate and was a good partner of Lacalle, two of the founders of the original Mercosur. Why are you acting like a slave to the Ks will? It’s beyond me
Cabeza
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you automatically think that avery vote that didn't go to FpV went to the opposition?
Quite a quiet opposition you got there, especially regarding the fact that they are so heavily backed by the [almost] entire population...
Tell me, are there parties further left to FpV? How many votes did they get?
Your problem is that you wish to play with statistics.
I tell you this much, even more people disagrees with Massa and Macri than with CFK, according to your logic. Because far more than 70& did NOT vote for them.
And Menem was a thief.
Lacalle was a thief.
Neither of them will ever Again come even close to power.
Ever.
I'm no slave of CFK's will, I have an even better President in Pepe Mujica...
But Stevie Massa and Macri are not in sitting in the government in the Casa Rosada, both of them are only mayors, they run against central government backed candidates in their districts and defeated them clean square. Why do you make all these retarded analogies ??
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cabeza
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The retarded part comes from your lack of understanding when dealing with statistics.
That the ruling party gets 30-odd % does not mean that the opposition gets the rest. Nor does it mean that the ones that didn't vote for FpV disagrees with their politics. They merely agree more with someone elses.
When talking about Macri and Massa you wish to keep it local but you have no issues in nationalising the elections when it comes to FpV.
As if they participated in another election entirely.
So your 70% are only representing a widely dispersed mass of people that aren't whatsoever unified in their views, and much less an opposition.
That's not even taking into account the amount of votes that went to parties further to the left than FpV, although I'm sure you'd call them your Allies in order for your arguments to make sense...
@ 50 Stevie
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the people blocking the bridge are inhabitants of Gualeguaychú, and I promise you they aren't there because they all vote for CFK.”
No, they are all misled about where the pollution in the river comes. The Argentine government represented by Timerman claims it is a result of UPM's operations, but they will under no circumstances let the public read the scientific report about the pollution. Guess why.
“Argentina has systematically denied to release the four reports from international labs, arguing that is disagrees with the criteria to measure and assess the temperature ...”
Argentina disagrees with the FOUR reports from international laboratories - if you were forced to be quite, QUITE honest, who do you think is right?
The unpleasant truth is that the majority of the pollution stems from Gualeguaychú.
“A huge pulp mill, UPM, which has been at the heart of a several years’ controversy between Uruguay and Argentina, does not contaminate revealed Uruguay’s Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro before the Uruguayan parliament.”
”UPM does not contaminate, as was established in the ruling from The Hague International Court of Justice”, said Almagro
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/13/it-is-official-uruguay-s-upm-botnia-pulp-mill-does-not-contaminate-never-has
@50 Stevie
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really do have a “them and us” mentality, such as Tobias has been cultivating.
The real laugh is that you are a European Planter in S. America, same genetics as the “them” you love to hate, absolutely priceless.
Control of the river Plate has been the prime Argy strategic objective, ever since there has been an Argentina.
Malvinas is and always has been an opiate for the masses, how many times has Uruguay been occupied by Argentina, answer, more times the Malvinas have.
Whilst there may well be a spirit of “Latino Brotherhood” amongst the common peoples of SA, if you think that extends to this Argentinian government while dealing with a disobedient Uruguay, with a big stick in their hand, you are seriously stupid.
There is a big difference between defending what is right, and just defending anything S. American, that is just another form of bigotry.
I personally have no problems slagging off other Europeans, if I think they are wrong, or supporting things S. American, if I think they are right.
What do you think you will have achieved, if you have your “Latino Brotherhood” love for each other, and all of you hating foreigners.
Don Alberto
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I KNOW who is right.
Even if I don't agree with the eucalyptus mill for other reasons entirely.
What is your point?
Stevie you wrote ““the people blocking the bridge are inhabitants of Gualeguaychú” What is your point?
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I KNOW who is right.” reminds me of “Recht oder Unrecht, mein Vaterland”. How do you - not know - but KNOW?
@ 53 ChrisR
“an argie plated Beemer crossed right in front of me sounding the horn for all he was worth: he was in the middle of the road!
Is that not downright disrespect for the locals or is it normal behaviour for your countrymen?”
This is normal behaviour in Argentina, not only in Capital Federal but also in several provincial capitals.
I have observed the same behaviour in Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Rosario, Resistencia, Córdoba, Mendoza, Bahía Blanca, Bariloche, and a few other places, and coming from Chile, I was shocked in the beginning.
Stevie
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is retarded is that you insisnt in something you know nothing about. Again I will answer; because its not the opposition who is in national power. The 4 main players in Argentine politics can be the Ks and allies who are already in power then there are the Peronist dissidents (Massa, De la Sota, Rodriguez Saa, Das Neves, Duhalde, etc), Macri’s PRO center right which is becoming a national party and a center left coalition (Binner, Cobos, UNEN), all of them disagree with the governments core fundamentals . And they have the backing of the 70%.
If CFK doesn’t get another run in 2015 they present Urribarri, Capitanich or Scioli the K left vote will go to the center left coalition (Binner, Cobos, Solanas, Carrio) and the votes of the suburbs of the BsAs are going to the Peronist dissidents like Massa
With that logic Cabeza, CFK, together with Massa, Cobos, Binner and UNEN have the backing of what? 85%?
Oct 31st, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds great, doesn't it?
I suggest you take a course in statistics before trying to fool anyone with it...
Though shit it doesn't work like that for CFK, isn't it Stevie???
Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would work just as good for CFK as it would do putting the rest of them in the same lot...
Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your arguments are awfully selective, Cabeza...
F&%$ what a retard you are Stevie
Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go Cabeza! Leave the selective arguments behind and fall back to your most intellectual of the sort...
Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm done with you.
Who's next?
Pugol?
Pugol!
You lot are you lot posting the usual drivel. Nothing to do with any borders as you lot represent nobody but yourselves. I can't stress it enough.
Don't bloody blame your countries for your flaws. I don't.
And you should stop reading those comics... When did Argentina invade Uruguay, you say?
Wait!
You mean PdE, don't you?
Darn boy...
When is it going to fit in to your head that Macri, Massa, Binner, Cobos, Solanas, Carrio are not in power?? CFK is. The local elections for Santa Fe, CABA, Cordoba where in 2011. Man what a retard you are, you trully are.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cabeza
Oct 31st, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right. CFK is.
And she retained the Congress.
And the Senate.
Not Macri, Massa, Binner, Cobos, Solanas or Carrio.
And you are right. They are not in power.
And the ONLY way they would ever get 70% of the votes, would be if they merged into one.
A bit like you in your final post, merging the selective arguments with the more intelectual of the sort...
Nope retard, any of those will only need 31% of the vote assuming the kirchnerites retain the 30%, that is. As she can’t get re-reelected my bet is that she will lose that electoral floor and pass on to her successor (who ever he/she may be) a lost war in 2015
Oct 31st, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did your 70% go???
Oct 31st, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets say your scenario happens and your guy gets 31%.
Then you have a mathematical dimwit trying to convince you that the losing parties, FvP included, I quote:
“ all of them disagree with the governments core fundamentals . And they have the backing of the 69%.”
See? That's playing with numbers.
And if you are Lucky, someday, you will learn how to do it properly.
Your refusal to recognize that 70% is not voting the Ks and the fact they are the ones in power is what makes all your argumets mute Stevie.
Oct 31st, 2013 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 70% will remain there if not increase with the next two years. But for the time being you can continue to kneel and suck up to a foreing government that treats you like rubbish
Cabeza
Oct 31st, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That 70% wont remain “there”, they'll remain all over the political map, and as
things are, FpV is the biggest minority.
And I'm kneeling to no one.
Is Uruguay expanding the pulp mill? Yes.
Is Uruguay building the Deep sea port? Yes.
Are the Argentine rich ones spending their (?) cash in PdE? Yes.
You see Cabeza, Pepe has this ability of getting what he wants.
Let me tell you a story.
A guy was on his way home. He was thinking of having a cup of coffee with his wife and as soon as he gets home, the wife asks him what he wants to drink.
-Tea, he says.
-But dear, can't we have coffee instead?
-But of course, as long as you make it...
Stevie not even the Ks here come around with those fairies tells, go to LNOL and check the comment section there. What you are saying is so farfetched that is clearly wishful thinking. If you think that opposition vote is not going unify under the candidate who has the best chances of beating the Central government candidate (that will be never left enough nor peronist enough at the same time to retain the 30%)
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, if you consider that as an accomplishment and a testimony to independence you clearly are a slave to us. Wow Pepe the guy that said a couple of things behind Cristina’s back. All that stuff URU wants has to be begged and consulted with Cristina. LOL
He said he would not apologize, he did, and he even hitched a ride on the Tango 01. Poor man. I think he is rubbish Stevie.
You are happy about the money that goes to Punta del Este??? What about the black money that was robbed from the Argentine people and was flown over to URU in complacence with your authorities, what about all the property and estancias the Ks have bought there?? Your old gaga president doesn’t fool me, the old fox claims to be a virgin and not realizing who these people he went to bed with for all these years.
Im starting to wonder if the nationalist are right, maybe you are another province after all, F!$#ck it, let’s just run over you weaklings....
Did I say I was happy about PdE? I can't stand the place...
Nov 01st, 2013 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are parroting Lanata. That guy is your problem, don't involve us.
You wish to keep Gardel, Fine, but keep Lanata to yourselves in the process.
Yes Cabeza, we are just a province.
And so are you.
And Brazil.
And Chile.
And you will be running over no one.
Personally, you'd be heading towards Bolivia in a frenzy geographical rage...
@68 Stevie
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get a grip man, you’re unravelling.
Of course I only speak for myself, and offer only my humble opinion of things, as I see them.
“When did Argentina invade Uruguay”, look up the history of the river Plate, it’s happened a few times, also Brazil for the same reason, control (even partial) of the river Plate.
Don’t forget the British capture of Montevideo in 1807, although I’ve never heard of a Uruguayan calling this an Invasion, as the capture of BA in 1806 is commonly described in Argentina.
Just one question, are you predicting that either CFK or her do fan will win the next election, yes or no will do.
And you must admit Pepe is not exactly a testament to Uruguayan independence of thought or action, admittedly he has had to walk a tightrope, but still there are limits.
He had to wait until “she who must be obeyed” was hospitalised before announcing the decision on the mill.
However you can judge him by how he conducts himself from hereon in, as it gets really shitty with the Druidess back in action.
Pugol
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain never invaded Uruguay. Of this I can assure you.
Argentina never invaded Uruguay. Of this I can assure you.
I don't wish to be rude..... so I wont.
They did take Montevideo once though, on their way to BsAs, this is true. There are songs about some clashes in the lands of the Charrúas. They found it kind of awkwards that they loved to stand in lines when attacking. The Charrúas and their horses shared that love...
But the visit was short and the Charrúas never had the pleasure to learn the footies, which is kind of weird too, regarding the fact that our national team is referred to as the Charrúas... because in BsAs they has little luck too, and when they left the city, they surrendered Montevideo too in the haste.
...
You want me to predict an Argentine election...
I think the Peronistas will win.
As for Pepe... he has survived far worse things than la Vieja, in fact, I'm ok with the Argentines. Especially the ones in Entre Rios, Santa Fé, Correntinos, Cordobeses. I know of a guy from Chubut that makes me laugh. And Bs As is incredible. Beautiful city with extraordinary people. For good and bad...
Stevie your own defense minister admitted the existence of over 900 clandestine airfields that recollected in the black money from the other side of the river
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ntn24.com/videos/gobierno-uruguayo-denuncia-92229
Lanata has something you will never have and that is a pair of balls, he has the courage to confront and expose the mafias ruling Argentina for over 20 years http://www.ntn24.com/videos/gobierno-uruguayo-denuncia-92229
@49
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have to prove any of my points in my post. YOU have to disprove them.
@77
So landing troops with weapons and with the orders to march in firing, in an attempt to seize control of the government in place, set it aside, and put the area under the control of a military marshall IS NOT called an invasion in UK culture.
So what is it? A port call? A London marathon? Abbey Road? What?
Cabeza Dura mismo...
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0First you say
“What about the black money that was robbed from the Argentine people and was flown over to URU in complacence with your authorities”
then you back it up with
“your own defense minister admitted the existence of over 900 clandestine airfields”
and
“...that recollected in the black money from the other side of the river ”
The first part is true, but in no way an indication that our government had anything to do with any of Lanatas accusations.
The second part is Lanatas accusations and your parroting words.
Take that claim to a Court.
Complacencia??? Sos un nabo, Cabeza...
Exactly what the anglos want above. To divide, then conquer.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's right Cabeza.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here, have a hug.
Now get back and construct, we have a continent to build.
Remember, your most wicked argentine opponent is your brother, and a foreign newborn 2 hours old already your enemy.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0My previous post was accidentally deleted. Anyway, I just want to comment that this restriction from the KK government is unfair and will hamper argentinian´s exporters too. Not the best time to do it, by the way.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 080. You've obviously had indoctrinated Peronista education to the 6th grade like most of your countrymen and language classes thereafter.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have a piss poor education level.
I hope you can get a front desk job at an American Hotel someday. It is the best you can hope for.
83. A continent to build? What happened the last 200 years? Go back to turning your wrench you are obviously not a thinker.
Shut up Stevie, your government knew damn well about the airfields and the laundering of black money, if it wouldn’t of being for Lanata nobody would have known what was going on. The route of the K money IS in Court the problem is that the judicial systems are controlled by the executives of both sides of the river. Lanata is not a prosecutor he is a journalist.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I’m definitely not your brother @rsehole, Argentina is province of nothing and I have nothing in common with you.
Came across this site.informadorpublico.com/?p=37429
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The video would have appeared to have been hacked or censored
Political dynamite I think. The readers comments are pretty virulent also
It seems increasingly that this blown up out of spite because the Finns refused to pay bribes on which the Tuerto and family may have been expecting thier cut. To go back to the begiining the protests started when Battle was president and the Frente in opposition and against the instalation of Botnia. Nestor thought it was no point in dealing with Battle - “Ill talk to Tabare when hegets in” The firm line taken by Vasquez was not what the Nester Featherer expected. And so it goes on and on and ON.....
The honest, clean and very ethical Old Cyclops wanting a bribe out of something… No way, how could he ?? I’m so surprised, I cant believe it...
Nov 01st, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn’t know Lanata and Clarin made up the news in Uruguay too !
Why does the Argentines keep moaning about pollution but do nothing about it. They could get indepedent laboratories to check either side of the river to see who was polluting. In fact if ( won't hold my breath ) Argentina took Uruguay to the ICJ surely the ICJ would want samples anyway. I looked on the web and all the pictures of the pollution is on the Argi side. It does not help that the river that the Argie town is sitting on seems to end in a bay that holds the effluent and plastic crap. Argies clean it up for FFS.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 Independant studies and analyses have been carried out by a Canadian laboratory. the Argentine delegates on CARU refuse to allow their publication
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 091. That's because all of the pollution is upriver from Gualeguaychu from all the soap and chemical factories dumping raw toxins into it on the Rg side.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a nasty river I can't believe people swim in it.
Aw, come on guys, these toxins can't be that bad, TMBOA has been putting neuro-toxins in her neck, lips and anything else that is sagging (best NOT go there) and spraying herself with “Agent Orange” since she was 14 (she says) and nothing has happened to her.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, oh, just spotted a flaw in that statement!
@84
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, sorry, I'm getting all confused again. Are Uruguyuans foreign or not?
Stevie…….
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are conversing with a hamster ;-)
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Hahaha Think
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I'm still not convinced though.
That one can actually spell...
:-)))
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie are you a Quisling or Lord Haw Haw?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the latter, perhaps you could me what time the church clock in Paso de los Toros shows?
Mr Joyce was good at that sort of thing in his broadcasts
Hamster? I think you are
Spare stale mani in your cheek pouch to be consumed later and meanwhile on the treadmill of your cage,endlessly churning out the same useless ideas
As an expat you are often ignorant of what is really happening in what you call your native country
@ 98 redp0ll
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie seems to be returning to the bad parts of his alter persona, Guzz.
We are all wasting our time trying to reason with him, his mind is set and only his lamentable views count:
Windmills GOOD
Pulp mill VERY BAD
British LOWER THAN A SNAKES BELLY
Commies VERY GOOD
“Social inclusion paid out of taxes” EXCELLENT (because he does not PAY tax)
Brotherly love in SA EXISTS WITHOUT BOUNDS
Economics WASTE OF TIME GIVE THE MONEY TO THE POOR
Argentina THE WONDER OF THE WORLD (well, it is a wonder after all)
Anybody not on Stevies level BENEATH CONTEMPT
Perhaps he will disappear for another few months and then return with his grey cells reset to “normal” because he most certainly isn't the reasonable guy who appeared on here a few months ago.
Chris, pardon me for not reasoning with war-mongering parasites calling my country a province.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or those telling me that our entire continent should be bombed into submission.
Or the ones defending vulture fonds just to see an entire nation they hate from their guts default.
Thinking about it, don't bother pardoning me...
100 Stevie
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never said UYU is a province and I think that it might be is overblown: the argies are proven cowards and Vasquez WILL enlist the help from the US (and perhaps the Brits!) if it looks like that would happen – then she the argies crap themselves.
I have never said the entire continent should be bombed into submission but I DO believe that at the close of the Falklands conflict the British should have destroyed the infrastructure (water, power and transit systems including airfields and railways) of Argentina: it was Ray-gun Ronnie Reagan that asked The Beloved Margaret “not to humiliate them”. The result of that poor advice is now for all to see. The argies really do think they won the war and next time the islands will be theirs.
You are wrong-headed to think Argentina had ANY right to treat the bonds holders as they did when they defaulted. The BANKS took the real hit AND PASSED IT ON TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. What about the vast number of Italian pensioners who trusted Argentina (because a lot of Italians were residents there) and they lost ALL their money. Do you think that was fair?
I think Singer is doing the correct thing and I hope (and think) that he will eventually take a lot of money off these crooks. It is abject nonsense on the part of Argentina to claim that ruling against them will leave other sovereign countries that are in trouble at the risk from the laughingly called “Vultures”.
TMBOA really has done a number on you, hasn’t she?
Chris
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will not invade Uruguay and will be the nation, together with Brazil, that we would ask for help should any other nation be that desperate for a chivito al pan.
The fact that he even got the idea wasn't well received amongst the people. You wouldn't remember that period but look at his popularity at the time.
If you think Argentinas infrastructure should be bombed, then you should go to jail for being a common criminal with no regard for human life. If you wish people misery, old man, then you are indeed miserable.
Re your second paragraph, well his position at the time does not seem to have the strong possibility that he will be elected as our next president.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't agree with him on many things, but at least he is patriot who defends our sovereignty as a nation, unlike you you Quisling traitor skulking away outside your supposed country
redpoll
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are an expat, you prefer selling out our nations one by one to the usual suspects, which happen to be the same nation you chose to leave.
United we are strong. Divided we are easy targets.
You prefer the latter.
Enough nationalism, leave that for the footies.
No Stevie I am Uruguayan though I did spend a bit of my early working life in UK.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't like to see my country sold up the river to Buenos Aires by people like you.
I think most Uruguayans of whatever political colour think the same.
If there is something I can't respect, it's a bunch of expats, like yourself, that leaves their own nation seeking something better, and when they finally settle in a new country, they start complaining.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is NOT our enemy.
People like you are.
People like you keeps us divided.
People like you... are old.
My family have lived inUruguay since 1825,so who is calling an expat? Someone who may have come the Rio de la Plata on the last shower?
Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that 25 minutes past 18?
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are an expat redpoll, and that's ok.
But stop complaining.
106 Stevie : “If there is something I can't respect, it's a bunch of expats, that leaves their own nation seeking something better, and when they finally settle in a new country, they start complaining”.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have just described , in a nutshell, just about every Latin European immigrant who ever set foot in the River Plate .
As for the region being sold out to the “ usual suspects ” you live 70 years in the past . It's being sold out to the Chinese .They are not planning the ports and railways out of kindness. It's a hard headed investment on which they will demand a solid return in soja and other foodstuffs , at prices they will determine , since they will control the movement of those products . Then , when the land is exhausted , they will piss off and do it to someone else .They already own or rent 5% of the Ukraine , so I guess they are next .
But hey , keep arguing about the pulp mill , it's what your abysmal politicians want you to do .
@ 102 / 104 / 106/ 108 Stevie
Nov 06th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I may be “old” but you are young’ish’ and and` most certainly foolish.
The Tupas are gone forever, and with them their stupid, stupid leadership. Biggest disaster for the country EVER.
The argies, with the Argentines hijacked by them are undoubtedly on a handcart heading for another big fall which WILL impinge in some manner on the Uruguayo, but you won't suffer, ALL TOGETHER NOW: because you are not here!
It may look as if I am complaining but that is only because you have your head firmly fixed in the social inclusion shit and cannot see the real picture. I “complain” not for me you pillock, I am wealthy and both of us are very grateful to Uruguay for the way we have been accepted into the society.
I do have concerns for my friends who work six days a week, every week, while the deadheaded government employees seemingly get every other day off with all the festive days that close the banks and every other department you can think of including all the monopolistic utilities. And this is a country that is secular by law, FFS! I never use ANCAP because of the ignorant morons who are supposed to “serve” you, so I no idea or care if they work or not, better if not and give Petrobras even MORE business, they at least know who the customer is.
But of course I realise that I am wasting my time with you because you are fixed in your views no matter what. I used to work for a director who was like you, no matter how much evidence I or my colleagues put before him he would argue and do the opposite and then he was fired: he didn't fit in you see. That was my first appointment as a director - I DID fit in and was a team leader.
The message is clear but I will spell it out: disparaging people whose family have lived here since the year 1825 (when your family was exiled for terrorism after the Tupas nonsense) and yacking “we” do this and “we” do that from Sweden while not paying a pesos in taxes here (unlike me) is downright hypocrisy.
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