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Falklands government contracts London's fastest growing communications agency
London’s fastest-growing communications agency, Pagefield, has been appointed by the Falkland Islands Government to provide strategic and tactical advice in relation to all public relations and media issues in the UK, following a competitive pitch. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOk. I got it. Pagefield is looking forward to spreading the Falkland Islands PROPAGANDA in the UK.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 .
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is looking forward to dismissing the misconceptions of the Islands and the airbrushing of history by Argentina.
Argentina has spread ill researched racist propaganda about the Islands for many years.
You learned this via Peron from Hitler and Mussolini.
Now the tide is irrevocably turning as the truth emerges.
Islas - as Pete says at 2 - Pagefiled will be involved in spearding the TRUTH and REALITY of the Falkland Islands - the same stuff that our elected members have been spreading around South And Cental America which is backing up the reports made freely by the media of those nations who all came pouring in here a year ago in response to all the fantasy bullshit put out by your clever president!
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your Cristina is doing the PR job for us in the rest of the world - we just need to work in UK!
9th November 2013.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0England v Argyland.
Be afraid Argies. Be very afraid.
Swing low sweet chariot......
Woooooooooowww………………
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0”London’s fastest-growing communications agency, Pagefield, has been appointed by the Falkland Islands Government to provide strategic and tactical advice in relation to all public relations and media issues in the UK”
Those guys ain’t cheap!!!
(Maybe a case for John Birmingham ;-)
Some of their clients (and what they are lobbying for)…:
BAE Systems… (More weapons to the People.)
EDF Energy… (New nuclear power station at Sizewell)
Food Advertising Unit… (Junk food marketing to children.)
Jersey Finance… (Top rated offshore tax-haven.)
Kellog’s… (More junk food to our kids.)
FIG[leaf]… (How to be an English Pirate and get away with it)
Chuckle chuckle.........
#5
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's communications industry.....Kirchner, Timmerman, Alicia Castro ? How to lie on the International stage. What's the difference ?
Guffaw, guffaw !
TWIMC
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0A bit of ”Googleing” gave some interesting results about some of the Countries in Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa paying “Pagefield Diplomat” to improve their ”Image” in the UK….:
Democratic Republic of the Congo…
Sierra Leone...
Kazakhstan...
Kyrgystan...
Myanmar...
Nice portfolio of customers!
Chuckle chuckle©
@1 What's the matter? You have a problem with the truth? Surely, having visited here so often, you are accustomed to being forced to accept the truth. Remember how argie PROPAGANDA used to say that an argie population was evicted by force in 1833? Then the “by force” element was dropped as the real evidence showed that not a shot was fired. Now the “argie population” has become an “argie administration”. Because only 4 civilians, by their own choice, left. But then, the argies had to send another “expedition” because the “argie administration” turned out to be murderers, rapists and thieves. How lovely that argieland has a “Gaucho Rivero” law. Applying the name of an argie murdering shitbag to anti-Falklands, anti-British illegitimate legislation. Why “illegitimate”? Go read the UN Charter. Article by Article. How many breaches of the Charter is argieland guilty of? For breaching a Security Council resolution, why is argieland a member of the UN? Shove Alicia's noisome knickers down tinboy's throat. Assuming she wears any! Shove tinboy's pants down Kirchner's throat. Return the shit to where it came from. Shove Kirchner's head down a WC. Then crap and flush.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Indec........everything's a lie.
Argie “government”......everything's a lie.
Argie “inflation”.........Trust us, it's a lie.
Argieland is “self-sufficient”......Except for food, energy, money.
Argieland is a “democratic” country......Har har har har har har!
Ha ha ha
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pagefield throwing money and wasting money in useless trips seems to be the new strategy of corrupted FI colonial govt.
Poor Islanders working so hard to make some money and then to be wasted in corrupted agreements with propaganda agencies.
At least the site was made by Think ha ha
Chuckle chuckle©
@Conqueror
No army, No carriers, No economy, No Jobs, No freedom for the media.
Wow!!!!
banana republik where?
You still don't have them and you never will!
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle, chuckle.
Oh DopeyBugger you are funny....
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think of all of your (well actually Argentine tax payers so unlikely to be your) money your government has wasted on this propaganda myth...and for what.
Timmerman has had nice trips round the world
A few other Latam nutcases also have all expenses paid trips to the UN
CFK gets shopping trips
Castro gets to go on a plane where she doesn't have to push the cart
But what has the average Argentine got from it all....700 dead...years of broken promises....sunk battleships...millions of lost tax dollars...and a propaganda smokescreen to hide more important issues behind....and the islands are further from being yours than ever.
It's fucking hilarious, successive governments are shagging you up the arse without the courtesy of a reach around and you are thanking them for it....you silly silly little man
@9 Is that right, dumbass?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you could explain the 129,450 + 121,800 reserves (252,250) compared to the argie 44,233 + 16,000 reserves (60,233). Seems like Britain's “non-existent” army is four times the size of argieland's official cowards. And Britain does have carriers. Two of them. And argieland has how many? None. Isn't that right? Not one. In fact, it only has a couple of vessels that float. Isn't that right? Our economy? Didn't the IMF recently say that Britain's economy was far better than they had thought? Didn't the IMF r4ecently say that argieland is a lying toe-rag? I don't need a job, thanks. I'm retired. If there's “no freedom for the media”, how come I can go online and say what I want? But then argieland suppresses free media, doesn't it? Of course, it doesn't matter what you say. It's not as though you “live” in “the cesspit”. You're off somewhere, probably Europe, soaking up “the benefits” paid for people a hundred times better than you. Argies are best classed with Roma. Criminal, dirty, illegal, lying, kidnapping, necrophiliac, puerile, queer, thieving, xenophobic.
Some of these comments make me laugh.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The simple fact is, it is Falkland Islanders running the show and spending their money and not an Argentine.
And articles such as this are a constant reminder that in 2013 the Islands are still not Argentine. And look how much money Argentina waste trying to alter that reality.
@9
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No army, No carriers, No economy, No Jobs, No freedom for the media.
Wow!!!!”
Yes, Dany, that's described Argentina!
Argie armed forces songs:
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Army - Run rabbit run rabbit, run run, run.....
Navy - Roll me over, roll me over, do it again...
Air Force - err.... no airforce therefore no song!
Excellent news.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More people in GB will be made aware of the islands situation.
Although they might get a one sided story pitched to them, in the long term that can't outlast them now at least knowing where the islands are and whats going on.
Awareness, questions and public debate will thankfully follow.
@16 Vestige
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They'll get the truth.
Perhaps you should visit Argentina's national archives. You may even learn the truth from them.
But then you're Argentine. You wouldn't recognise the truth if it danced naked in front of you waving those rare US dollars, that you are so desperately short of.
@16
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find most in the UK remember a certain country invading the FALKLANDS in 1982. But it is good that the younger generation will know the truth about the FALKLANDS. The more people know about it the better. It is up the FALKLAND ISLANDERS to decide their future. In 2017 when the oil flows, they will be able to pay for the defence of their country.
@ 8 Conqueror who writes:
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Because only 4 civilians, by their own choice, left.”
These four civilians were NOT Argentines by a long shot, as they were two Brazilians and two from Banda Oriental (now Uruguay), as stated in their affidavits in Archivo General de la Nación, Buenos Aires, Sala VII, legajo 136.
@19 I think was a Charrua who didnt want to be deported to Argentina as he thought as if he was better off in Montevideo.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 20, they were:
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Joaquín Acuña y su mujer Juana, de Brasil.
Mateo Gonzáles y su mujer Marica, de Uruguay.
Acuña and González had arrived together with their wives in the Falkland Islansds 15 July 1831 on board the British ship 'Elbe', chartered by Luis Vernet.
“ Their experience and energy will help us to tell our story and provide the UK public with a better understanding of the Falkland Islands”.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why?
Not even in Britain they believe their story, lol.
”Las Malvinas belong to Argentina”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9113342/Pink-Floyds-Roger-Waters-says-Britain-should-return-Falklands-to-Argentina.html
Las Malvinas do indeed belong to Argentina.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Falkland Islands belong to the Falkland Islanders, who Argentina can't seem to control.
The Tory Telegraph
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Should Britain return the Falkland Islands to Argentina?
Yes 62.07% (19,828 votes)
No 25.23% (8,058 votes)
Islanders should hold a referendum to decide 12.7% (4,057 votes)
Good luck Pagefield LOL
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9113342/Pink-Floyds-Roger-Waters-says-Britain-should-return-Falklands-to-Argentina.html
@24
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some folks will believe anything.
My, my, my, the peasants are getting a little hot under the collar on this. Touched a nerve has it? Might CFK and Hector the implanted Ukrainian be exposed as liars? Might truthful information reach your shores?
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very interesting that such vitriol and venom be directed at a story about a PR company. Pretty transparent in fact. Think/Dany/Marcos ... afraid that someone will do a better job of your job? Only this time with the truth? No wonder the panic has set in. Very interesting indeed.
@ poor 24 Marcos Alejandro who as usual understand nothing.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands cannot be returned to Argentina, simply because Argentina never owned them.
Marcos, is your straitjacket so tight at the neck that it blocks the oxygen supply?
Gosh all this verbal diarrhoea from supercilious Argy no hopers. Facts are Falkland Islands are British and the Status Quo will be maintained by whatever means. Argyland will feel our full wrath when they get smashed hard into the Twickers turf. No mercy to Argy pretenders.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it had ready been established that the Telegraph Vote was an Internet vote and that a vast percentage of the pro Malvinas vote originated from, yeah you guessed it, Argentina!
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plank!
24 Marcos Alejandro
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The survey/opinion poll you refer to was an online survey, NOT a scientifically conducted poll using a representative sample population. Presumably thousands of Argentinians logged on and voted after being tipped off by their friends.
A similair and equally pointless online survey concerning Gibraltar resulted in 5000 votes being registered from the Spanish defence ministry.
Since the Falklands have never been a part of Argentina and no Argentinian authority has ever existed on the islands, no return of the islands to Argentina is possible.
The only poll that counts is that taken by the islands inhabitants.
30 rupertbrooks0
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British living in Britain were allowed to vote in that British poll as well.
“The only poll that counts is that taken by the islands inhabitants”
Like Chagos?
(31) Marcos Alejandro
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or Ascencion Island.....:
“The British government has asserted that there is no ”Right of Abode“ on Ascension Island.[30] As the local newspaper The Islander reported at the time,[31][32] it is an issue that was disputed by some former Council members and some of the long-time expatriate employees.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island#Demographics
@32
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would suggest that you would have no “ Right of Abode” in the UK even if you wanted to live there. We are fussy who we want to live there.
In the digital age, conflicts are being played out increasingly for the hearts and minds of the people throughout the world.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turns out there are similar poll results for Britain returning northern Ireland to Ireland. Seems like the people of GB just want to be left alone as an island from all foreign problems and foreigners and the EU.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think much of the time that sentiment is returned, nobody wants to meddle in GB's affairs or have GB meddle in theirs.
So wheres the problem in cases like the Malvinas and the north of Ireland. The vast majority seem to be of agreement by these polls.
I'd guess its to do with the awkward minority involved in these cases who say 'no surrender' with a victimized tone while squatting colonized land taken by force. Holding back GB and bringing it hassle.
35 Vestige
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, speaking of Northern ireland opinion polls, the 1998 refendum in Ireland on the Good Friday peace agreement produced a 71% vote in favour of the agreement in Northern Ireland and a 94% vote in favour in the Republic.
The agreement included removing the Republics claim of sovereignty over the North from the Republics constitution. It would seem that although some Northern Irish republicans may hanker for a united ireland, these sentiments are not recipricated in the republic itself.
@36
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige would evidently have preferred a solution whereby the majority population of Northern Ireland was bombed by a minority of the minority of the minority into another country which didn't want them anyway.
37 -
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think those sentiments are reciprocated in both south Ireland and .... of all places .... Great Britain.
Id be very willing to bet that the majority of people in both southern Ireland and GB itself wish for a united Ireland.
Together with a sizable minority of North Ireland.
Leaving - what I described, an awkward relatively very small troublesome number causing problems for the vast vast majority.
@38
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd suggest you read rupertbrooks0 post 36 again, which lucidly describes the democratic position.
The 'relatively very small troublesome number causing problems for the vast vast majority” are still around of course, but thankfully they are much removed from their heyday, when they thought they could advance their cause by blowing up Pakistani newsagents in London.
This situation of course came about through democratic means, but I do understand that's a difficult one to swallow if you subscribe to the view that certain people have no rights because of the origins of their great-great-grandparents. Fortunately, however, this kind of thinking has been frowned upon most everywhere since 1945.
Well the similarities in both cases seem close at times. A British colony delineates an area as its own, calls itself a separate entity from Britain, while entirely making use of every aspect and resource of the people in Great Britain.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then the polls show dis-satisfaction from the majorities, one being G.Britain itself. Upon which time the tiny number call for democracy, not only calling for their own brand of democracy based on their terms but entirely ignoring history too.
All the while unwanted by Britain.
(come to think of it - this sounds somewhat similar to Gibraltar too)
@40
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Northern Ireland case is a good illustration of how to resolve such questions. The catch is, resolution requires statesmanship and a mature democracy. Maybe one day.
yeah its resolved alright. lol
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Refer to post 36 again.
There are still a few sick fucks around, of course, and their sympathisers, but then again, isn't there always?
38 Vestige
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your wrong. In the 1998 referendum which took place in the Republic of Ireland, 94% voted to remove the Republics claim over the North from their constitution. If you have travelled around Ireland, as I have, you will know that support for a United Ireland within the Republic is minimal and is mostly confined to an older generation of traditional Republican famililies. The electoral record of Sinn Fein (the party of a United Ireland) is a poor one with support in single figures.
The vast majority of the people of the Republic realise that forcibly incorporating the North into the Republic against the wishes of the (majority) unionist population would be a disaster for all of Ireland and would trigger violence on an unpresedented scale which would border on total civil war.
Most reasonable people in Britain tend to support the idea that the troubles of Northern Ireland need to be solved by the people of Northern Ireland themselves. After all they're the ones who live there.
As I mentioned earlier the current constitutional arrangement in Northern Ireland was supported by 71% in a referendum and most recent polls show an even higher support for the current political process.
43 -
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be less worried about the extremists on both sides and more concerned that Britain is pouring billions of pounds of tax payers money (from the people of GB) into a financial black hole to support a 'country' of which half the population holds no wish to be British and has no loyalty to Britain.
Rent-a-citizen.
Does that sound resolved ? (A deep frozen, quick heat, civil war on storage)
And why? Because the vast majority on both islands are held to ransom by an awkward relatively tiny minority.
And thats before the places local problems.
Not really so resolved.
(In the time you took to read this you have donated 1p to someone who burns your flag)
44 - Your second paragraph is correct, the rest either incorrect or a poor reflection of the truth.
If you like we can go on a statistics search for all relative countries.
But I can tell you in advance that the ROI returns consistent polls in favor of unification, as does GB.
I can also tell you in advance that the party you mentioned Sinnfein is sizable in both north and south of Ireland.
The 71% you mention relies on the status quo , whos going to change the political situation in a place where peace is always on the edge.
I read that such supporting polls dropped as low as ~50% during southern Irelands economic peak.
And that less than 50% identified themselves as British.
That aside - just forget the other ~65 million people in the British isles. Leave it to the locals, its not like they're British...they're somehow different.
@45
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm touched by your concern for my taxpayer pounds. Rest assured that I am happier to see it spent on a peace process, rather than forcing 1 million Unionists into a foreign country that doesn't itself want them. It's perfectly clear that most people in the UK and the Republic say exactly the same thing when asked, including indeed the majority of the former IRA.
Really - what might that be ?
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is it that is freely agreed upon ?
Oh yes, and your pounds aren't being spent on a peace process, they're spent on hospitals, schools, footpaths, etc.
That ~40% of the users of these facilities have no wish to be considered British might hint to you that the situation isn't exactly resolved.
Also I don't think theres any need for northern Irelands unionists to be concerned about being forced into anything, it increasingly looks like theyre not actually wanted anywhere in the British isles.
As per the Malvinas - an awkward tiny minority causing trouble for all.
@47
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the totality of that 40% were turning out for Sinn Fein, you might have a point, but in case you hadn't noticed Sinn Fein is an electoral failure on both sides of the border, but more especially yet in the Republic.
If money is being spent on schools, footpaths, and hospitals, I personally consider that money well spent. A reduction in the coffin budget is nearly always good news.
The Northern Ireland Unionists were never popular in the British Isles, for obvious reasons, but it was generally accepted that they had the same rights not to be blown up as the rest of us claim for ourselves.
I hate to be pedantic, of course, but 1 million isn't tiny either. And one of the hallmarks of a democracy is the way it treats its minorities, whether tiny or not. You seem to be under the impression that rights, and especially the right to a defence against violence, are a function of the convenience of the majority, if not the origins of one's forebears. How very noble of you.
45 Vestige
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You’re wrong. My first paragraph is a matter of historical record. The two referendums held on 22 May 1998 were held to gain the approval (or not) of the Good Friday agreement which was torturously negotiated by Northern Irelands political leaders over several years. The referendum in the North covered approval of two new governing institutions: the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Northern Ireland Executive by which Northern Ireland is now governed. The referendum in the South was held to gain approval for the Republic to make the necessary changes to its constitution, including removing the Republics claim over the North.
The 71% approval did not rely on a status quo but created a new constitutional arrangement by which the catholic minority would share in a new Northern Irish government and which therefore abandoned direct rule from London.
The question of national identity is also covered in the agreement. The agreement gives the right for all people in Northern Ireland to identify themselves as Irish or British, and the right to claim British or Irish citizenship (and passports). National identity is complex in Northern Ireland as some people (especially some Protestants) see themselves as both Irish and British. Others see themselves as “Ulstermen”. The Good Friday agreement gives legal and constitutional legitimacy to all these positions.
Sinn Fein maybe the biggest Catholic party in the North, but in the south it’s pretty weak. It gained 9% in 2011 coming 4th, which was its best result for decades. This was a result of a general disillusionment with the main parties after the economic crash of 2007. Normally it polls about 6% of the vote, with its support concentrated in County Monaghan which borders County Armagh in Northern Ireland where a large number of old Republican families hold sway and where many republicans from the North have moved to.
Vestige A good pen name for a troll
Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Grabs the lies of anybody and presents them as the truth
Herr Goebells would have been proud of you!
Poor Vestige. Always wishing the world would be as he hopes and not as it is.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Northern Ireland - British and happy with it.
Ireland happy with the status quo.
Falkland Islands - British and happy with it.
Argentina powerless to change the status quo.
Gibraltar - British and happy with it.
Spain powerless to change the status quo.
UK, Canada, Australia, NZ - constitutional monarchies and happy with it.
45 Vestige
Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you need to distinguish between opinion polls and an actual referendum like that which took place on 22 May 1998, and which was accepted by large majorities. There’s a big difference between having an opinion and actually voting in a referendum which offers a real constitutional option.
As for the other 65 million people, I think most people realise that no solution can be imposed upon Northern Ireland by the UK government in London. Any workable solution has to be arrived at by the political leaders of Northern Irelands people themselves. The Good Friday agreement was negotiated between 8 political parties from the North plus the UK and Irish governments.
The agreement also clearly states that the desire for a united Ireland is a legitimate political aspiration, which both the UK and Irish government will support if the majority in both the republic and in the north desire it.
The agreement also covers other areas such as de-commissioning of weapons, policing, and the creation of cross-border institutions such as the North-South Ministerial Council which is made up of ministers from the Northern Ireland Executive and the Government of Ireland.
At the moment relations between the Republic and the UK have never been better. No major political party in the Republic is calling for a united ireland. The younger generation in particular simply have little interest in the issue. You can be sure its something we will not see in our life time.
“ Argentina claims a large part of Southampton ” Alicia de Castro claimed today that the Bassett area of Southampton rightfully belongs to Argentina. General Rosas had a farm there for 25 years , so 120 acres of Southampton , including parts of the airport and the University are obviously Argentine territory.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0William Hague did not comment , but looking at the TV cameras , looked upwards , shrugged and made a circular motion with his index finger around his temple .
The eminent statesman Roger Waters , formerly of Pink Floyd , was unavailable for comment .
Quick comment, full retort later.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redpoll-
Vestige A good pen name for a troll
Grabs the lies of anybody and presents them as the truth
Herr Goebells would have been proud of you!
51 Anglotino (#)
Poor Vestige. Always wishing the world would be as he hopes and not as it is.
Personal insults, the fallback for those who have no actual argument.
And that goebells reference walks the line of Godwins law.
These things reflect only on the tempermental mentality of the people saying them. You must try harder.
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