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Malvinas claim 'enshrined in the Constitution and supported by all political parties'
Argentine ambassador in London Alicia Castro in a letter published in The Times, defended the “peaceful call” from President Cristina Fernandez to dialogue and negotiations on the Malvinas Islands issue and underlined that the sovereignty claim over the Islands is 'enshrined in the national constitution'. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell Alicia, it's good to know that even when Argentina is in dire financial straits, you can still find a useless way to squander the money.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some corrections to the 'letter' are required.
The UK has stated it will sit down and talk with Argentina, but the UK cannot discuss sovereignty of the Falklands unless there is a representative of the Falkland Islands Government present.
It is Argentina that is refusing to sit down and talk, not the UK. This is known internationally, when your clownish Foreign Minister - in front of the world's press no less - didn't turn up for a meeting.
Secondly. The UK cannot return the Falklands to Argentina, as the Falklands have never been Argentinian - no one counts the illegal military incursion in 1982.
A sudden plethora of stories regarding the Falklands. It's almost as if the Argentine government is trying to distract the population of Argentina AGAIN.
Must be from the high bread prices. I mean you can't have bread and circus's if you haven't got the wheat to make the bread.
I also like the desperate 'the hydrocarbons are unviable without direct link to the continent'.
That is so funny, because the Falklands and the oil companies have already found a way around that, and because as soon as the black gold starts pumping your 'friends' in Chile and Uruguay will be more than happy to get in on the action.
And why wouldn't they? If Argentina actually ran the Islands there wouldn't be any hydrocarbon business, because you can't even get your own gas and oil out of the ground ON LAND, through your inept and corrupt practices.
At least dealing with the Falkland Islands, other countries KNOW that their investments and business deals will be safe and honoured.
The same certainly isn't true in corrupt Argentina.
BTW Alicia. Do you think anyone in the UK actually believes your lies? Pathetic much?
and as battle says in the other article once kretina is gone more serious people will hopefully be put in place.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Taking into account that the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands are British, but the territory in which they inhabit is not,”
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0remind me again which indigenous peoples had spain AND argentina displaced and murdered to settle on the lands they stole??
Alicia, your letter in the Times wasn't worth the effort I didn't put into writing this comment.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Taking into account that the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands are British, but the territory in which they inhabit is not, undoubtedly a relation of dialogue between Argentina and the UK would certainly improve their quality of life”.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have a far better quality of life than the average Argentine.
Nevertheless it also argues that the “confrontational language from Cristina Kirchner towards the UK regarding the Malvinas Islands has been widely criticized by Argentines as a way to distract people's attention from domestic difficulties”, complained Ms Castro.
What she is actually complaining about is that the general public have finally caught on to it.
“hydrocarbons exploitation is unviable without an adequate relation with the continent”
As Lep already mentions, an idiotic statement. Companies wouldn't have invested over a billion pounds if they didn't think it was viable.
My god this woman is a moron. Complaining about moderate politicians wanting to cooperate in developing oil which will bring money into a financially failing country instead of demanding their return which isn't going to happen and they get nothing.
Is it time that the UK passed a law to enshrine the protection of the Falkland Islands, The Argentina (Nuclear Annihilation) Act, with section 1 providing.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0”1. The Right to destroy the Republic of Argentina.
(1) Should the Republic of Argentina engage in any hostile military activity against the UK or the Falkland Islands, or in connection with the Falkland Islands, whilst the inhabitants of those Islands have not expressed a desire to change their current governance arrangements and come under Argentine sovereignty, then Her Majesty's Royal Navy shall take such steps as are necessary to destroy the Republic of Argentina and all those who adhere to her Constitution until the danger to the Falkland Islands has been permanently eliminated.
(2) No provision in any law or treaty, whenever passed, preventing the use of nuclear weapons shall have effect to prevent any action being taken under sub-section 1 above.”
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Seems fair enough to me. They were lucky not to have got a Polaris in 1982.
I should stick to chicken or beef love, you will be on firmer ground there...
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile over the River Plate, some frank advice.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/11/01/argentina-will-again-be-a-normal-country-when-cristina-fernandez-is-out-of-the-political-stage
“Malvinas claim 'enshrined in the Constitution and supported by all political parties” - A declaration of war in all but name.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 01. “Our president who rejects the military junta which launched the 1982 armed conflict is calling for a peaceful dialogue and negotiation....“ What about the pictures of her and the one eyed loon celebrating in front of the Casa Rosada at the time of the invasion. What kind of rejections is that ?
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 02. ”In another paragraph Ambassador Castro recalls that the Argentine government offered direct flights between the Islands and Buenos Aires, besides working jointly in the conservation of fisheries resources.“ Indeed they did offer flights, which were politely declined on the grounds that Islanders did not want their air access controlled by Argentina. Do you think we are stupid ? Argentina has definitively not offered to work jointly in the conservation of fisheries resources, indeed quite the opposite. It pulled out of the SAFC, stopped exchanging data, refused any further joint research, stopped co-ordination on closing the illex fishery, choosing instead to encourage their fleets to fish it to extinction to try to harm the FI economy. And the sole reason there is no international maritime fisheries protection mechanism in the SWA is because for two decades Argentina has refused to co-operate in its creation.
3. “Taking into account that the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands are British, but the territory in which they inhabit is not, undoubtedly a relation of dialogue between Argentina and the UK would certainly improve their quality of life”. How exactly ? The biggest non sequiter I have seen for ages.
4. ”Finally she points out that the “hydrocarbons exploitation is unviable without an adequate relation with the continent” . I think what she means is she wishes it was unviable. Several billions of investment from Premier, Noble, EDF/Edison, Rockhopper, etc says she is wrong.
What a waste of space.
And the fact that it is 'enshrined' in the Constitution acts as a bar to the issue ever going to the ICJ !
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or indeed any other negotiation on sovereignty !
shot + foot :-)
Dear Argentines, you are Spanish, Italian, Nazi, but the territory in which you inhabit is not.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why can they not see the utter stupidity of their argument!
@11 Lord Ton
Nov 01st, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree. The fact it is contained with their constitution gives it no merit outside of Argentina as we all know. I might as well buy a live chicken, name it Trevor and give it a certificate of ownership of the Falklands, with option to have the SSIs turned solely over to chicken runs.
@ 13, super, but at least your chicken wouldn't commit rape and murder on invading 'its' territory, unlike the usurpers of the past, and then its heirs return to commit more murder and lay waste vast areas with mines.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This stance of the current RGland government to not allow the Islanders to take part in 'negotiations' is rather laughable. They have taken part in the past, as an example in 1973, confirmed on page 186 of UN document A/9023/Rev1 Volume V Chapter XXVII.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has changed?
@10 GALlomosa I have never seen the pics you mention and would be interested in a link as to where to find them
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Alicia has forgotten that the cesspit's illegitimate “claim” to British Falkland Islands is a “TEMPORARY PROVISION”. Argieland is all shit and wind.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0S Korea just bought wheat @ US$ 300.00 a ton
Nov 01st, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is fuck all to talk about! I could demand “peaceful talks” with my neighbour because I think his nice house should be mine, I don't think ill get very far lol.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So stating the obvious: The Argie complaint about British militarisation in the South Atlantic really means “move your military so we can invade”.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0err..... NO
Then change your Constitution you silly person.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simples.
@19 squatterbart
Nov 01st, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if your whole neighbourhood - and other surrounding neighbourhoods - understand your neighbour´s nice house is nice but yours (and not your neighbour´s), those peaceful talks might go further.
Living in a neighbourhood where all neighbours know your neightbour´s house if yours might make your squattering neighbour rethink his stance.
So don´t give up.
http://images.pablasso.com/201002/turba_iracunda.jpg
“Our president who ***rejects the military junta which launched the 1982 armed conflict*** is calling for a ***peaceful dialogue and negotiation, supported by the international community,*** while the UK government insists in militarizing the South Atlantic to dissuade an invasion that will never occur”, pointed out ambassador Castro.”
Nov 01st, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a 2 peso coin that celebrates the Junta's invasion and move to prolong the junta's rule in Argentina that puts that first lie in sharp relief. Even today, the Argentines would pay any price, have more disappearances, more repression, more Juntalicious goodness so long as they got to step in the necks of the Islanders too while they were at it.
There was a meeting in February where Argentina ran away away from a meeting that would have *fully* satisfied the letter and spirit of 2065 proving that they have no interest in pursuing that claim, putting that second lie again into sharp relief.
Then there is the quote from one of their government's own people saying clearly that the military presence in the falklands is keeping them from repeating 1982.
Stupid Irredeemable Lying Colonialist Fascists.
@22 Maldive Islands
Nov 01st, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because your neighbours have bought into your lies, doesn't make someone else's property yours.
Tell you what, why don't you take your case and prove it in a court of law? Let's say the International Court of Justice, which is the ONLY international body that can order a change in sovereignty. Why do you instead insist on wasting everyone's time and money at the UN when you know there is nothing that they can do to help you?
Come on Maldive Islands. If your claim to sovereignty is SOOOOOOO strong, you should be slavering at the mouth at the chance of getting the Islands. Oh wait. I forgot. Your claim to sovereignty is a lie, based on lies and fairy tales, wrapped up in another big whopping great lie.
“while the UK government insists in militarizing the South Atlantic”
Nov 01st, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This nasty ass cunt needs to take a look in Argentina and asak what the hell are the People's Liberation Army/Navy doing there with war ships? Perhaps they are securing their investments to make sure the RGs pay it back.
@24
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps our neighbours bought out lies becasue they´re more convincing than the British lies.
I would be more than happy if we could take this to the ICJ. It happens that both party must agree before the ICJ can take the case. But the UK´s hiding behind implanted islander´s “wishes”. So, no chance to take it there unilateraly.
The UN helps questioning British rights over the islands every time it issues a resolution calling the UK to negotiate sovereingty with Argentina.
If Argeninta´s claim was based on lies the international community wouldn´t be calling the UK to resolve the colonial situation be negotiating sovereingty with Argentina.
@25 Captain Poppy
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Steady on with the language there! I dislike the use of the word ass!
”the BP disaster (2010 in the Gulf of Mexico) would be equivalent to a drop in the ocean compared to an oil spill in the Malvinas Islands”.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming it ever happens, why should an oil-spill in the Falklands be so much worse than the Gulf of Mexico one? Only if it is DELIBERATE SABOTAGE..!
The appropriately named Castro's statement can only possibly be interpreted as a veiled threat to sabotage an oil platform. ..!! This contradicts her earlier remark - supposedly official Argentine policy - that they will never use force again in the dispute. The word of an Argie is truly as worthless as their former “Austral” currency.
“Our president who rejects the military junta which launched the 1982 armed conflict is calling for a peaceful dialogue and negotiation
Nov 01st, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why did she celebrate the so called “recovery” of the islands. its plain for anyone to see that argentina are just pissed of they LOST they should have the balls to admit they LOST and move on
Wasthe letter reprinted in its original crayon format, or did someone at the Times have to decypher the scrawl and type it up?
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 Islas Malvinas (#)
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not so, the international community will say that about any potential conflict, its not a vote confidence for the argentine case.
If your totally honest about this issue, the you will see the rest of the world doesn't really give a shit and certainly don't buy the “colonial Britain robbed us” line
“Peaceful call” from President Cristina Fernandez
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So we threaten and abuse the islanders,
“Peaceful call” from President Cristina Fernandez
So we intimidate and tell abhorrent lies abt them,
“Peaceful call” from President Cristina Fernandez
So we ban all ships from them, refuse trade , and harass them at every point,
“Peaceful call” from President Cristina Fernandez
[Define peaceful ]
On the other hand, would argentina really want a peoples that do not want them , and would in time cost you billions in garrison troops a blowup navy and an air force you would need to keep them in order,
And the inevitable violence that would follow,
Think abt that.
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Willy, (Hague) go round her embassy, grab her by the short and curlies and pack her fat ginger arse (no offence normal ginger people) on the next flight to rgenweener end of. How can one person talk so much shite? Unless you names Think or TTT of course
Nov 01st, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Finally she points out that the “hydrocarbons exploitation is unviable without an adequate relation with the continent” and quoted The Times which last April published that ”the BP disaster (2010 in the Gulf of Mexico) would be equivalent to a drop in the ocean compared to an oil spill in the Malvinas Islands”. ”
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sounds like a desperate threat of sabotage.....if argentina cant have a hand in the oil then nobody can, good to have an insight into the current argentine govts way of thinking......corrupt to the fucking core with no way of getting their grubby hands on falklands black gold, that must be frustrating as hell :)
The 'Malvinas' claim is Argentina's 'Primal Lie' which inspires falsehoods like official statistics on inflation, poverty etc. , as well as refusal to pay the countries debts and 'nationalising' foreign companies without compensation. How does 'Primal Lie' work? Basically, Argentine politicians believe that ”If we can lie to the UN and get away with it, then we can lie to anyone about anything ... Ans when things go wrong (because governments are chosen on the basis of cronyism rather than talent), it is 'really' because we were the victims of the IMF, British or Spanish colonialism, or whatever”. So, no political party in Argentina is going to denounce the 'Primal Lie' because that would undermine a whole way of life based on lying and cheating and then playing victim when things go wrong.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even Thatcher back in the 1980s said that if Argentina proposed taking thevFalklands case to the ICJ, the UK would respond favourably. Yet you have never asked. Just imagine the propaganda victory if you did and the UK refused. And yet you let this opportunity go by. Why do you think that is?
@35 - the “Primal Lie”...! You just nailed it, Rule Britannia..!
Nov 01st, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Legal Issues Involved in the Western Sahara Dispute - the Principle of Self-Determination - Committee on the UN 2012 - New York City Bar Association
Pages 51 and 58
'To summarize, according to the UN ICJ, 'a state's right to acquire a non-self-governing territory against the will of the people under the theory of 'historical ties' is severely circumscribed, when applied to a non-self-governing territory the requirements are strict; it requires proof of continuous, important and formal ties of a political and economic nature in the few instances where it has successfully defeated the right of the inhabitants to self-determination.'
http://www2.nycbar.org/pdf/report/uploads/20072264-WesternSaharaDispute--SelfDeterminationMoroccosLegalClaims.pdf
Argentina's sovereignty case is a non-starter. Argentine politicians know this but they continue to spin 'the Great Malvinas Lie.'
@ 38 Brit Bob.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not forget that twice (that is two whole times) the ICJ has said that ALL NSGT's have the right to self determination.
Paragraph 54 of the 'Western Sahara' advisory refers:http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6195.pdf
Now as the ICJ is a principle organ of the UN as per Article 7 of the UN Chater thus:
“1. There are established as principal organs of the United Nations: a General Assembly, a Security Council, an Economic and Social Council, a Trusteeship Council, an International Court of Justice and a Secretariat.
2. Such subsidiary organs as may be found necessary may be established in accordance with the present Charter.”
I would think that those advisories trump just about anything the RG's can dream up!
If the peace loving/non militeristic Argentine are so frendly why are they buying new fighter/bombers......
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Islas Malvinas, Tell me like I was a 4 year old why any country would want to sit down with a backward country like Argentina who as written into it's constitution a pre determined outcome of negotiations? this is the United kingdom your talking about not Somalia you IDIOT.
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 even if they are out of date, from Spain, cant air to air refuel , won't last a week and are a easy target for any decent fighter on earth these days let alone a typhoon, the only way a typhoon pilot would lose to one of these if he had a heart attack laughing
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ slattzzz I heard Crissy got the planes on easy terms £50 per month
Nov 01st, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicken or pasta 'enshrined in the Constitution and supported by all political parties'. Signed Alicia
Nov 01st, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is hilarious that Argentina on the one hand has sovereignity over the Falkland Islands 'enshrined in the national constitution', and on the other deny the islanders the right to participate in the negotiations - according to the Argentine postulate, they deny their own citizens the right to negociate 8
@41. Uh.. That would be the UK. Remember? February? Bill Hague's office with nice comfy chairs and tea all ready?
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be precise, no “negotiations” per se happened. Why? Because Argentina ran away in fear of having to face eye to eye only two -- TWO! -- elected representatives of a mere 3000 -- THREE THOUSAND -- free people with whom right and international law and UN founding principles of self-determination side.
Proof once again that Argentina doesn't really want to comply with UN resolutions calling for the parties to talk. They don't want the Falklands. They just keep it on the table at home to manipulate permanently gullible suckers like Islas Malvinas here to distract them from the domestic train wrecks of their own making.
@44 Don ignore her she's like a case of tinnitus annoying but it can be cured, plus she ugly as sin and how the fook she was a trolly dolly is beyond me
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@43 50 quid a month she's been watching antique road show
don't cry for me argentine
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0the islands will never surrender
all what you throw at them
you always be remembered
your bullying ways and tactics
will always get resistance
you broke your promises
now keep your distance
don't cry for me argentine
its time you really quit
brain washing your people
with loads of bull sh***
president Kentucky fried chicken
will not acknowledge the Falkland existence
you broke your promises
now keep your distance
@ 46 slattzzz
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“how the fook she was a trolly dolly is beyond me”
Fly Aerolineas and understand :-)
Enshrined in the Constitution? Like the Republic of Ireland and the six counties? Like the 1945 Guatemala constitution claiming the whole of Belize? Both of those problems seem to have been sorted out.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 redpoll
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed. It's not as if the 'enshrined in the Constitution' actually means anything.
They couldn't even be bothered to add it until the 1990's.
As just because you 'enshrine' your desire for someone else's property in your constitution, doesn't make it any more legitimate.
Take it to the International Court of Justice, Argentina. If you won't then you are tacitly acknowledging the British sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
Argentine would be better off Enshrining the Malvinas in the toilet - that way they can flush it down the pan along with their hopes & dreams every day.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alternatively - take it to the ICJ
(oh yeah, you'd lose)
or the UN
(oh yeah, you're getting nowhere in what? how many years?)
oh my.
Of course, rather than persuade the entire world, you could just persuade a couple of thousand VOTERS in the Falklands... that would be MUCH easier...
(Isnt it odd why its so hard for Argentina to persuade so few people to vote for them and decide their own future? Perhaps its because Argentinas leaders have been antagonistic pricks rather than friendly neighbours?)
@26
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ But the UK´s hiding behind implanted islander´s “wishes”.
An Argentina has implanted Spanish, Italians Germans etc etc etc and even implanted British people there too.
So one set of implants does not agree with the others wishes.
”The UN helps questioning British rights over the islands every time it issues a resolution calling the UK to negotiate sovereingty with Argentina. ”
But as you are incapable of reading 2065, you forget that Argentina's invasion of 1982 broke 2065, then Argentina broke 502 and it's not the only UN resolution ofr judgement that Argentina has broken.
2065 is conditional on the rules of the UN charter (with which Argentina disagrees) and the resolution does not state that the interests of Argentina or the UK have to be taken into account but the interest population of the Falkland Islands.
As Argentina has no intention of considering the interests of the Falkland Islanders then it breaks all the UN resolutions.
If we tipped Alicia Castro upside down do you think she would still be a ginger????
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a bunch of British spastic retrobates on this site - ha ha ha
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go and jump in loch ness before those insignificant little islands are broken up and your country is run by Muslim law
The economy is terrible and the military is full of rapist cowards and gay men
Viva Argentina - we always win in the long run - history cleary shows that just as it shows the decline of those gay racist islands in the blue sea - I salute you not
#54 Hahahahaha that is one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really do honestly feel sorry for you, you've obviously been fed propaganda, and lied to all your life.
@54 When a person resorts to petty insults it is pretty obvious that they have no argument. Just like Argentina...
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Inthegutter - what a great appropriate name
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britbob - one does not argue with thieves one destroys them
May your islands be prosperous and merry based on the exploitation of others including slavery - what a great history you have in the Muslim state Bob - you must be very proud of your country
May he without sin cast the first stone
@ 54 Muslims? Like Menem and Coronel Ali el Sainhedrin?? One seemingly as a Syrian, had his conversion on the road to Damascus. Not much choice in RA where catholism is the state religion and he wanted to get anywhere in politics
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Ali, didnt he try to instigate a mutiny against his commander in the Occupation of the Falklands and later revolted against the elected government of Argentina as head of the cara pintadas?
Another Muslim devout Christian of course
@57 El Diego
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say 'one does not argue with thieves you destroy them'.
So, since Argentina is full of thieves, then by your own 'argument' you should destroy them.
But here is a warning for you, my Argentine coward (so scared of the big bad muslims): Try to steal the Falklands again, and Britain will destroy you.
As if being humiliated wasn't enough for you in 1982, you have subsequently allowed your politicians to continue with the humiliation, as they crawl and beg on the international stage.
The Falkland Islands will remain British until the people who live there decide otherwise. Argentina has never had a say in the Falklands and never will.
But at least we can all laugh at your pathetic clownish antics.
Cristina for a 3rd term!! Come on Cristina - you still have plenty to destroy in Argentina!
Cristina - the best President Argentina ever had - from the Falklands point of view.
Ooo Leprecon - my dulce de leche is melting at your threatening words - such elegance from the British military state who kills and murders every day - you should really be ashamed and let's not forget Istanbul or the murder of British royalty - a nation of more cowardly despicable retrobates could not exist - I spit on the dead bodies of your filthy cowardly thieving military so that the killing stops
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Carlos is not a Muslem and even if he was who really cares
Tonight I light a candle in memory of Juan Domingo
#57 Given your homophobic rantings it doesn't surprise me you don't get my name reference.
Nov 02nd, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this vitriol and hate really is just sad, and I do honestly feel sorry for you, a life wasted by hate in pursuit of something you will never have.
@60 El Diego
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh look, unsubstantiated ranting!
You must be in the pay of La Campora.
Tell me, El Diego, why won't Argentina take this dispute to the International Court of Justice?
I mean you do want the Falkland Islands don't you? So why is your government spending all it's time and money crying and begging to international bodies that cannot help them in the slightest, yet avoids like the plague the ONLY international body that could help them?
There are only 3 possibilities:
1. Argentina doesn't really want the Islands, the government of Argentina find them too useful to distract the masses, whilst they're stuffing their overseas bank accounts with embezzled money.
2. Argentina knows that it actually hasn't got any evidence to back up it's sovereignty claim - so won't attend the court.
3. Both of the above.
And everyone knows that it is both of the above. Even the records in Argentina's national archives backs up Britain's sovereignty of the Islands.
By they way, why are you so afraid of muslims? Your government likes them, especially the kind that murder Argentine citizens. Your government crawls before the Iranians like dogs, whimpering and simpering, whilst at the same time spitting on the memories of the victims of the AIMA bombing.
What does it feel like to know that your government supports the very people who murdered Argentine citizens?
El Diego
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am intrigued by one line in you illiterate racist crap....“history clearly shows that Argentina wins in the long run”
The facts would suggest that the polar opposite is true.
The original Argentines (Amerindians) were massacred in a continent wide genocide. They certainly didn't win in the long run.
The current crop of Spanish-Italian Argentines stole a mineral rich, high potential land and post the genocide of the indigenous population, have squandered the lot. There is mass poverty on a biblical scale, crime, corruption, dishonour and shame. They managed to default on the largest debt in history, and have shamefully harboured Nazi torturers, thrown nuns from aeroplanes and continue to attempt to colonise land which is clearly not theirs...this is not winning in the long run.
For a nation with its potential you'd expect medical, scientific, engineering or technical invention and innovation to be commonplace, but one would struggle to find a single example of what an Argentine has added to humanity...this is not winning in the long run.
Militarily the story is the same, backed the losing team in WW2 then swapped sides, and the Falklands invasion in 1982 was pathetic and shameful, failing to hold an island group from an enemy you outnumbered....cowardice from your officers and lack of training for your troops....unmapped mine fields and shitting in peoples homes...that's not winning in the long run either.
Argentina could indeed win in the long run, but it will probably take a generation.
Argentina needs to boot out the Peronists.
Argentina needs an honest government.
Argentina needs to lose its superiority complex and see itself as realistically.
Argentina needs to drop it “claim” to the Falklands and apologise to its people for the decades of lies.
Most importantly Argentina needs to admit it has failed as a state and beg for help, encourage investment based on mutual benefit and not corrupt backhanders.
#57 gays in the UK military represent a very small minority. They are allowed to take up any career they want in the UK, so no doubt they will be represented. The main exclusion we have discriminating people against joining the UK Military is against cowards, Argentina is more liberal with their military ranks recruited from the cowards, the incompetents, the lazy and the psychopathic.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am surprised that as an Argentinian you are so homophobic given the governments official position of being pro-gay rights. But then Argentina and Argentinians being hypocritical by saying it supports human rights at the same time as in reality it trashes the rights of minorities should not come as a surprise.
Hahaha - why won't Argentina take this to court ? The hypocrtits talking. Out of their arses again saying one thing and hidin behind a facade nut always doing the opposite - look at what one does and not what one says - why did the poodle Brits murder Iraqi people against international law? Look at yourself and Ask your own people before writing anything here. Go research the mass genocides of American and Australian ethnic Indians by your country. Or have a look at the global misery you created with trading in the misery of black Africans and the slaves on the back of which you built your economy. Go to India and praise your military for all the killing down there over the years and despite the huge military machine it was defeated by one small man in a loincloth
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahah - read your own history before writing your rubbish and colonial crap on this page - pathetic bunch of retrobates fantasizing about an insignificant little island moralizing from a very inglorious and shameful past trying to lecture South Americans! Hahah what a joke!
El Diego
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is neither ashamed of its history nor attempts to hide any of it.
Britain certainly does not murder women and children in Iraq against international law. Britain has actually helped remove a tyrant who used chemical weapons against his own people and restored democracy to country now run by its own people for its own people. I understand how you'd find this confusing.
There were indeed genocides to some degree in North American areas and in Australia, we have never denied this, I suggest you take it up with the Americans, Canadians and Australians who now self-determine their own futures in line with the UN Charter.
Black African slavery...where do you think all the black Africans in Latam came from? A greater number for a longer period, and there was certainly no William Wilberforce in Latam trying to stop it either.
Britain had already committed to returning India as part of the WW2 UN formation agreements, In fact, except for the US (and arguably Eire), Britain manged to break up it Empire peacefully and keep excellent relationships with the commonwealth. Argentine has expanded its empire and longs to do it further.
Interesting you mention international law, because the only international law that's relevant are UN security council resolutions and ICJ judgements. Argentina ignored UNSC resolutions in 1982 and the ICJ found against Argentina last time it asked about the Beagle Channel.
You are also wrong about the ICj, Argentina could request guidance (non-binding) at any time...it would add weight to their claim, but they already know the result.
I have said before, British history warts and all also needs to be taken into context with the enormous amount of good it has done (only racist turd Stevie hates this). Sadly Argentina had done almost no good...
So, sadly your rant doesn't wash with us...and we will defend the islanders right to self determination to the last. Crawl back under your rock.
If you think a history based on the deliberate stealing of other countries resources, enslavingand exploiting and murdering their people as having good aspects about it we as South Americans should listen to you then your are seriously deluded - psychotic even.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should hang your head in shame and leave this forum of Brtish hypocrisy
@67
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you care to explain how you, as South Americans, came to be South Americans and owners of the resources of that continent?
Er by rightful conquest? Oh no that would be te British answer but hey we brought a lot of good!
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Off for a cafe con leche and a media luna
Las Malvinas son Argentinas
@69
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No answer, huh? Tsk, tsk, tsk. I know it's difficult.
Let's try it this way. How many former colonies of the Spanish Empire are now independent countries governed by their indigenous inhabitants?
Hans - are you German?
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not get into your countries great history of shame and evil - we will bit accept the bullshit European hypocrisy in South America - we are free people entitled to develop our own future without the interfering of colonial hasbeens or Europeans who developed and promoted natzism and facsism - keep your murderig cultures in your own countries and stay out of South America
#69
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your coffee may sober you up a little, but look in the mirror you are still an argentine and the Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders.
Have another cup of milky coffee dear.
@71
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure you'll all be fine and at some point in the future will rise above your 1930s political culture and 19th century world view.
A good place to start would be to try to develop a modicum of self-awareness as to your own origins and past.
In the meantime, please excuse those of us who derive unending amusement from your claim to ownership of the moral high ground. It's every bit as specious as your claim to ownership of the Falkland Islands.
Britain illegally attacked Iraq a sovereign free state - this happened only a few years ago. The majority of the world disagreed wih you. Your soldiers illegally executed Argentinian, Irish and Iraqi civilians among others. What can you tell us about morality in South America - it is you on this board that would have us all march to the beat of your huge hypocrisy - but you are right this is no longer 1930 and your behavior is still rejected by the worlds majority as you yourselves become a pathetic colony of the USA no longer fit to defend yourselves and totally irrelevant in the post modern era. Our future will be decided by us and not some stupid little non entity islands that even the scots want to leave
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shameful hypocrites but truly exposed
@74
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allow me to point out the point you're missing here, since it's another telling example of your own lack of self-awareness.
It's YOU who's attempting to give lessons on morality, a phenomenon which is all the more hilarious given your own history, and the fact that all you have to back it up is standard issue foaming at the mouth Argentine anglophobia.
That's no way to get your hands on somebody else's islands.
#74 Hypocrite. What was Argentina's invasion of the Falklands then? The only body that matters, the Security Council, decided it was illegal.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Face it, your country has achieved nothing but infamy. It is a bunch of Spanish, Italian, German, colonists squatting on stolen land. In its almost two hundred years of history it has achieved little of any merit. The United Kingdom has done lots of things wrong but it is also responsible, for one thing, for much of the science and technology that underpins the modern world.
The majority of the world disagree with you as does all of South America - your smokescreen for self determination is false and you know it. Yet again like Iraq you cheat your own people with lies and deceipt in a new race for oil but it will ultimately fail because again it's illegal. All this posts talking about legality etc are pathetic and bravado but you will be gone from this island or you will forfeit all trade with Latin America - today Brazil is stronger than your feeble economic and others are following your continued descent into irrelevant poodle status
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world will shame you into abandoning an illegal occupation once again - if you don't believe it look at your history - it's happened many times over
@77
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the most delusional aspect of your Malvinas delusion is the delusion that the whole world shares it. In fact, most of the world couldn't give a hoot that your murderers, rapists, and mutineers were politely invited to leave somebody else's islands two centuries ago, and is indeed rather perplexed that your society is unable to get over it.
@ 77 El Diego
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be forgetting one very important body that agrees the Islanders' have the right to self-determination.
The International Court of Justice has said, on two occasions, that ALL the Non-Self-Governing Territories have the right to self-determination.
Paragraph 52 of:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/53/5595.pdf
Really - your American bosses disagree with you and support Argentina - relations with Latam are more important than the toothless poodle in the north sea - you have no support and you will leave sooner rather then later - it's inevitable and your own long history of decline shows it to be so -
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@80
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from the fact that it's false, the problem with this thesis is that it is Argentina itself which has made it impossible for the UK to give up the islands in any foreseeable time frame. In fact you couldn't even negotiate a transfer when British governments actually wanted to hand them over to you. One failed invasion and 1000 deaths later, you have no chance. Indeed, it's hugely ironic that it's your own misplaced sense of entitlement which ensures you will never get the islands.
Biguggy - nobody recognises the right to self determination - not in Latina America, not in UN and not in USA - maybe North Korea could help you out as they are used to running types of self-serving ballots
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will be shamed once again to giving these islands back - you have no option - it's in your destiny as a declining imperialist poodle state
@82
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again. Everybody recognises the right to self-determination, and has done so formally and repeatedly. Only self-proclaimed champion of human rights Argentina alleges that the right doesn't apply where it calls into question the Argentine national myth, but this position has already been formally rejected by the UN General Assembly.
@82
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh you are so stupid its almost tragic. The empire may be gone but Britain still holds more economic, political and military power than any other SA state, your countries have no power or influence to put Britain in a position to surrender the islands, thats why the Falkland Islanders sleep so well at night.
@82 So nobody recognizes the right to self determination? Presumably in that category you include the Chagosians whose rights you and other trolls rabbit on about? I would be interested to see how you squirm out of that one
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody recognizes the rights of the Falkland island to self determination - half of those morons weren't even born there and they are all subsidized by the UK to live on the island - only North Korea and UK try this type of pseudo democracy - just another sign of the decline of UK poodle power - the US doesn't support it because they know that LATAM economies are much more important than poodle land - that's how they repay you for sacrificing your people in that illlegal war in Iraq - what a bunch of suckers you Brits are. Each year you become more and more insignificant whilst Latin America grows and takes its place on the global stage.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess it's understandable that another part of your delusion is that someone else is going to fix everything for you, given that you've already failed yourselves legally, militarily, and diplomatically. Sometimes it's the Chinese to the rescue, sometimes the Russians, sometimes the US, and sometimes your LatAm brothers. But perhaps you ought to think about refraining from stabbing the latter in the back if you want anything more from them than support for “dialogue” and “peaceful resolution”.
@86
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again an “I'm with stupid” t-shirt would apply nicely to you.
“Nobody recognizes the rights of the Falkland island to self determination”
The commonwealth of nations (54 countries) would disagree with you as they all recognise the FI right to self-determination. The European Union (27 countries, all except Spain) recognise the FI. So thats 81 countries out of 190 in the world that do, not to mention other states across the world who have vocally supported Britain and not Argentina. So not only are you horribly inaccurate in your claim but you are also a liar.
“all subsidized by the UK to live on the island”
They are entirely self-sufficent and are one of the few states that operates on an annual budget increase and Surplus (All raised in the Islands btw). The also offer the best qualities of life in all of South America. GDP per capita, HDI, Life expectancy etc.
“only North Korea and UK try this type of pseudo democracy - just another sign of the decline of UK poodle power”
That statement makes no sense as North Korea doesn't recognise self-determination for South Korea while the UK does.
“the US doesn't support it because they know that LATAM economies are much more important than poodle land”
The UK has the most advanced military machine in Europe and will continue to remain a great power for decades to come, sixth largest economy in the world and the capital city for all major money transfers, banking and financial services in the world, if Britain fell into the sea the world economy would go down with it. The Americans are cowards as they don't want to upset there new found friends in their back garden.
As for Iraq; illegal or not we went of our own accord and it was the US that was on its hands and knees looking for allies not the UK. See the way they reacted to France not joining? Freedom Fries?
“insignificant whilst Latin America grows and takes its place on the global stage.”
You mean Brazil? While Spanish America remains in abject poverty?
Sounds to me the delusion is in London - deluded that the UK is still a global power but facts show that it's only a colony and poodle of USA when they need you but no support for Malvinas - hahahaha
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deluded that the world would take seriously a rigged referendum for a bunch of imported “ islanders” - just like those referendums in north Korea with 99.9 % of the votes going the regimes way
Deluded in thinking they can keep those islands and expoit the oil reserves in the style of former colonies that they eventually had to leave with their tails between their legs as world opinion moved against them
Sounds like poodle land is more and more like a bankrupt banana republic
“Sounds to me the delusion is in London - deluded that the UK is still a global power but facts show that it's only a colony and poodle of USA when they need you but no support for Malvinas - hahahaha”
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Care to name these facts? Oh wait there aren't any.
“Deluded that the world would take seriously a rigged referendum for a bunch of imported “ islanders” - just like those referendums in north Korea with 99.9 % of the votes going the regimes way”
The independent reviewers from the UN and other un-biased organisations said that the referendum was 100% democratic and legitimate. So you are lying again. Oh and btw there are no popular referenda in North Korea you clearly aren't very intelligent.
“Deluded in thinking they can keep those islands and expoit the oil reserves in the style of former colonies that they eventually had to leave with their tails between their legs as world opinion moved against them”
We have been there for 180+ years, whats stopping you?????
“Sounds like poodle land is more and more like a bankrupt banana republic”
The UK is not a poodle state there is no evidence but your deluded spic claims, we have the fastest growing economy in Europe now and we are a constitutional monarchy so hardly a republic.
I think you need to read more, poor boy. Unless you provide evidence for your wild claims you have lost the argument are are therefore unfit for intelligence required for a forum such as this.
@89
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've obviously not started yet, but if you ever do decide to research this issue, a good place to start would the the 2008 UNGA resolution on self-determination. Spain and Argentina attempted to get a resolution passed limiting the right of self-determination in cases where a dispute exists. You failed miserably. The only support you got came from your fellow implanted Italo-Iberian populations of Latin America, nutters such as this North Korea you keep citing, dictatorships such as Syria and Belarus, and a few others such as China and India who also hold or covert territory against the wishes of the local inhabitants. Fine company to be in, but only about 20% of what you needed to get the resolution passed.
@89 Actually old devil the USA as formerly a colony of Great Britain.They did fight a war for their independence,don't you know?
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To quote one of your favourites Chavez speeches to the UN. I smell the smell of sulphur here.he is dead though apparently appears to travellers on the Caracas Metro from time to time
The sulphurous pollution you permeate on these blogs is illuminating.
Travelled on the Sarmiento line recently?
The poodle does not get the support from its US master on the Falklands issues because its an insignificant power and only the egos of British prime ministers and the posters on this forum keep the delusion of being a global power going -
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A referendum of 1500 imported islanders who get their subsidies from the poodle state vote to stay in poodle land and you consider that legitimate - give me a break - this is a joke referendum by any standard and simply a publicity stunt by poodle land and hence it's not been accepted by the wider global community
The islands will be back in Argentinas hands sooner rather than later
Anyway last post for tonight as just got the parilla fired up and opended a lovely bottle of malbec - hugs and kisses to you all xxxx
You have been given examples and evidence as to why you are wrong and as you cant seem to grasp the facts it only proves how much of a deluded idiot you are.
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The islands will be back in Argentinas hands sooner rather than later”
Keep dreaming weakling.
I don't usually use bad language to any poster, but I this case please. Stuff your immature opinions up your own fundament
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha - this is the first time the imperialist Brit morons have had a taste of their own medicine and I detect a hint of desperation creeping in
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regurgitating Briish propaganda amongst yourselves and passing it off as some kind of intellectual debate is totally deluded. Poodle landers don't like their own medicine - it's allright to slander Argentina and Argentinians in your deluded minds but you know nothing about my country or your own for that matter
British murderers and colonist of the 21 rst century will be tried for your war crimes
Mmmmm - the bife de chorizo is coming along nicely - peace and love to you all
El Diego
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please can you show me any evidence of the US supporting Argentinas “claim”.
1982 suggests, when pushed, the US comes down with the British.
a recent vote in the UN GA found the majority of the world supports self determination in ALL non-self governing territories....so you are wrong again.
“British murderers and colonist of the 21 rst century will be tried for your war crimes”
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you think that Argentina even came into existence as a nation?
Did Argentina drop from the fucking sky?
Or did your Spanish forefathers arrive?
And then proceed to colonise?
And then slaughter?
And Subjugate?
And then rebel against the authorities that sent them to establish there own nation?
Argentina is a product of colonialism without which you would never have been born. If you don't like colonialism, pack your bags and surrender your property to pure blooded native Americans whose land you currently sit illegally upon, after all we are using your logic aren't we? Any country like Argentina that has been created by colonialism has no right to be so hypocritical to the Falkland Islanders who live on land that was never owned by anyone before them.
The British empire is the reason why you and I can have this conversation 8000 miles away. Imperialism spawned Britain's industrial revolution and in turn all the inventions you see and use around you. If you don't like Britain then stop using OUR language, OUR innovation and the modern world which WE created for you.
@96
Nov 03rd, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hate to disillusion you further, but this isn't the first time we've had knee-jerk anglophobia deployed as the last resort of the sinking Malvinista. The only difference in your case is that it was the first resort.
Poodle land illegally invaded Iraq and was respsonable for the deaths and murder of thousands - hang your war mongering heads in shame
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trying to justify imperialism in the 21rst century is totally deluded and living in the past - today you are a third rate hasbeen poodle of the USA who doesn't take you out for walks anymore. Las Malvinas son Argentinas and the majority disagree with you!
@100
Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, Iraq was invaded by a coalition of which the UK was very much the junior partner. The invasion took down a world class asshole who'd already caused 1.5 million deaths just in the first war he started. Your own horrors such as Videla, Galtieri, Isabelita et al, are pure Mickey Mouse in comparison to that. The majority of deaths in Iraq are the result not of the invasion, but of sectarian violence by other Iraqis. It was criminally reprehensible not to have anticipated and prevented this, but on the other hand coalition incompetence in Iraq entitles Argentina to precisely nothing in the South Atlantic.
You're right about imperialism though. That's why I find it intensely amusing to see Argentina standing up in front of a decolonization committee arguing that the principle of colonial inheritance allows it to colonise some islands hundreds of miles away that have never been Argentine, against the democratically expressed wishes of the inhabitants. You really do have a chronic problem of self-awareness.
But do keep it up. It's clueless arjihadis like yourself who ensure that the Falklands will never be Argentine.
There again the classic poodle propaganda in Iraq - the dictator had to go becaus he was a mass murderer - but nobody legally authorized you to do it so it was another illegal war crime that poodle land got sucked into because chief poodle Bliar was mesmerized by the power machine of your USA masters and just followed along and joined in the mass killings becoming the same or worse than the regime you were trying to remove - the whole world was against you on that and Bliar got kicked out of government on his ass - and guess what here you go again rigging polls in Malvinas that your USA master disagrees with and is going to clip your poodle hair and you will eventually retreat from the islands because world opinion is once again against you
Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no British empire or military power today - it's all highly deluded and your country is not even British anymore with all the immigration
You need to leave the south atalantic now you bunch of imperialist pirate cowards before you get your asses kicked out of there - history shows you as a declining hasbeen poodle power but the delusionists on this site haven't figured it out yet. Perhaps that's why my postings are striking a chord with you all ?
Off for my desayuno now - media lunas and ensalada de fruta - mmmm
There are a number of reasons why the UK will never hand over the Falklands .
Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are one of only 8 places in the world where uranium is mined. Opened in 1994 , Billiton BHP has a mine employing over 400 chilean miners , which is why the UK and the US are happy to subsidise LAN to fly there , so the workforce can rotate in and out . The 1982 invasion was an attempt to capture this uranium source , as the Junta were going to build their own Manhattan Project on the islands in order to threaten Pinochet with a nuclear strike over the Beagle dispute .
The uranium ore is transported to both the US and the UK from a secret submarine base in King George Bay , near Chartres . It can be seen on Google Earth .
Furthermore , the UK have set up their equivalent of Guantanamo Bay on the Islands . Currently , over 2000 Afghan taliban prisoners of war are held there , plus about 300 Somali immigrants rounded up in Birmingham . They are guarded by convicted murderers , who have been promised a pardon if they serve there for 10 years .
Due to the closer ties between Iran and Argentina , the American NSA have set up a listening post at Sea Lion Islands , it can be clearly seen on Google Earth . It is manned by approximately 120 Americans .
They are only allowed in Stanley in small groups , and only on condition they don't spend US currency , so as not to alert any argentine tourists .
In May 1945 , the U9716 , heading for Rio Gallegos , made a land fall on the Islands by mistake . The sub was impounded by the islanders and found to contain over 30 tons of gold . The islanders kept the gold and killed most of the crew , though some were spared , for breeding purposes . A lot of this gold was paid in to Margaret Thatcher' secret account in Lichtenstein for having liberated the islands against everyone's advice .
Julian Assange was going to expose all of this, hence the US and the UK will not let him out of the Ecuadorian embassy , ever .
@103
Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0For Christ's sake, don't tell them about the secret tunnel to Fray Bentos. Or that BOTNIA really stands for the British Overseas Territory Nuclear Invasion of Arjuntina.
@104
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or that ARA Santissima Trinidad was actually taken out by SEAL Team 6 as a warning to Argentina for signing those accords with Iran ....
CFK will not fly in the presidential plane for fear that the US has tracking devices on board .....
El Diego
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't need your authorisation to do what ever we want.
However, I notice in the democratic elections held in Iraq (the first for decades) they elected their own government and are not a colony of anywhere.
But in living memory Argentina invaded the Falkland islands, and wanted to deny and remove the elected assembly of the islands and replace it with your own colonial government.
When will you be returning Patagonia to the people you stole it from in 1880?
I note that you believe that there is no british military power today...but you government got that wrong too in 1982, and are accusing us of militarising the South Atlantic...more Argentine hypocrisy.
Keep en coming El Diego....this is hilarious.
In 1934 Germany enshrined the persecution of Jews in its constitution .
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is unthinkable today , yet Argentina enshrines hostile colonialism in its constitution in 2013 .
Do they really think the UN support that ?
@105
Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But let's not be complacent. If ever they were to grasp the concepts of fact-based analysis and logical thought, we might end up in trouble.
Has the sock puppet “El Diego” not run out of steam yet.!
Nov 04th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can only imagine he called himself “ El Diego ” in tribute to Marradonna .
Nov 04th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all , what other country in the world would hero worship a coke fuelled cheat ( sporting and marital ) who owes EUR39M in unpaid taxes ?
@102 El Diego
Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were you attacked by a rabid poodle as a small child?
Quote “ El Dago ” : “If you think a history based on the deliberate stealing of other countries resources, enslaving and exploiting and murdering their people as having good aspects about it , we as South Americans should listen to you, then your are seriously deluded - psychotic even”.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why did your ancestors do it then ?
Why do you continue to do it :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Argentina :
“As of 2011 many natives were still being denied land and human rights. Many of the Toba Qom native community had been struggling to protect the land they claim as ancestral territory and even the lives of its members. A leader of the Aboriginal Community Felix Diaz claimed that his people were being denied medical assistance, did not have much access to drinking water and traders keep raising food prices. He also claimed judges would not even hear the native's complaints ”
Let me guess , the Indians are all liars ?
@50 “They couldn't even be bothered to add it until the 1990's.” This is all part of Argentina's Primal Lie. Rosas gave up Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands in the Arana-Southern Treaty (aka Convention of Settlement) signed on 24 November 1849 and ratified by both sides in Buenos Aires on 15 May 1850 and the matter was not raised again before the Argentine Congress until 1941. Argentina says that the Falklands belong to Tierra del Fuego but that is impossible because it was not until 1990 that the “National Territory of Tierra del Fuego, the Antarctic and the South Atlantic Islands” was declared a province.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The claims get bigger too . There was no mention of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands till the 80's and now they want those too , along with Antarctica . It'll be Australia next, they are in the same hemisphere .
Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ah the collective psychosis of all the deluded Poodle Brits living in the past continues unabated here - its hilarious watching you all debate the same delusions of Brit grandure over and over between yourselves and everybody agreeing with each other - hahaha
Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sad decline of a once great nation from bulldog to poodle status - it would be hilarious
Oh time for my merienda and off to play some polo now
Diego , you wouldn't know a polo pony from a donkey....
Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh dear the ursurping pirate with the racist comments - spic and dago - what a lowlife moron that resorts to that
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@115. Be very careful who you call poodles. They don't drool on command when their government rings La Malvinas lie like a well trained pavlov's dog. That would be you.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islands are the Islanders'. So says International Law. So says the UN despite your country telling you that they won the vote they lost in the UNGA -- hard. Self-determinatoin applies to all and trumps all. Get over it, and find something you're good at. Because parroting the same fascists lies you've been taught since childhood just isn't working for your country or you.
El Diego
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly for you, you have humiliated yourself and yet again underlined why the Malvinista cause is so weak, yet in Argentina the brainwashing continues.
Simple question:
The last time the Falklands were voted on in any way by the UN General assembly was when Argentina proposed that the right to self-determination be limited to only those countries where no sovereignty dispute exists.
How did that vote go?
What did “the world say”?
Where the words “where no sovereignty dispute exists removed”?
Who voted with Argentina? Who voted with the British amendment?
Seems like the “whole world” doesn't support you. In fact a considerable majority support the UN charter (us).
However, this is only the General Assembly...not international law.
The international law would come from the UN Security Council, which has again only voted once. That Argentina leave the islands in 1982. They didn't thereby irrefutably breaking international law.
So you see El Diego, you have been fed a pack of lies by your government.
The world doesn't support you and the only ones breaking UN resolutions is Argentina.
Pity you are too stupid to see it before spouting your ignorant shit all over this board.
@117 “... racist comments” ? That's a good one coming form someone who uses “spastic” ... “Muslim” ... and “gay” as terms of abuse all in the same message @54
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not be too hard on the kid. Nobody does a better job of discrediting the Arjuntine case than a rabid Malvinista.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British racist poodles in decline into irrelevance - Obama will decide what goes on in Malvinas and we know what way the wind is blowing from the poodle master in Washington - oh guess what he is a black president and he runs poodle land - hahahaha
Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmmm - Just back from a few chukkas and enjoying a glass of Malbec
@122 “Enjoying” means that it's Chilean Malbec you drink, right? Chile is now also producing some very successful Malbec - as is South Australia - while other countries price themselves out of the market with fictitious exchange rates ...
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it's from the family vineyard in Mendoza - we export all over the world and business is booming....
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Diego : How many Indians did you dispossess to build your vineyards and your polo fields ?
Nov 05th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming any of it is true , of course .
Enjoy your merienda ...
86 El Diego (#)
Nov 05th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they aren't subsidised and what business is it of yours if they were? get it into your thick head, the Islands are NOT Argentine and never have been, your economy is a basket case, they only country worth paying attention to in South America is Brazil ! the world is bored of your whining and laughs at your failed attempt to take the islands by force, nobody likes Argentina, the people that sheltered the Nazis, we wont forget!
@ El Diego Subsidised? You mean like 20% of Argentineans that live on handouts? Or the up to 60% in some provinces that “work” (haha) in the public sector?
Nov 05th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on guys - everybody knows the referendum was a pure publicity stunt simialr to those referendums in North Korea and that the majority of the “population” are imported and paid to be there - what was David Cameron thinking about but then again he did work for a PR company in London before he became PM
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually we live in harmony with the local indian community and help them sell arts and crafts to visitors and creat jobs for them - we also just released a cheap table wine made from the waste of the premium wines and it gets exported to the UK - aparently its considered a premium wine by the Brits and we make a fortune - evrybody happy - hahhaha
El Dago : Shouldn't you be out exercising your non existent polo ponies ?
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or do you get some imaginary exploited peon to do it for you ?
I shouldn't pretend to be an oligarch on here , the camporistas don't like oligarchs .
@ 128 El Diego You mean cheaper and nastier than the premium Toro, Toro Viejo or Vasco Viejo that you drink at home with ice cubes?
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmm - never heard of any good Poodle Brit wine - I guess that's why you drink all the cheap stuff and think it's premium - not very sophisticated but they dont know any better. The poodle Brits are the laughing stock of Europe with their binge drinking and neanderthal behaviour. Same with Brit food - it's total
Nov 05th, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Garbage and some of the ugliest women in the world serving it up. That could be the reason for all attraction to sheep - can't blame you hahaha
#54
Nov 05th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The economy is terrible and the military is full of rapist cowards and gay men.
Well that is one of the many things that you have to put up with if you live in Argentina.
Argentinian wine in the UK ? Scarcer than hen's teeth.
You would have to hunt in any of the large supermarket chains to find it. The best sellers outside EC wines are from Australia, South Africa and Chile...all quality and reasonably priced products.
By the way, are you from Mendoza ? We already have the Clown Prince on this site. Are you the Court Jester ?
#60
I spit on the dead bodies of your your filthy cowardly thieving military
Please come to the Falklands and try it.
Sorry, your filthy cowardly thieving military did already. What was the outcome again ?
If you think a history based on the deliberate stealing of other countries resources, enslavingand exploiting and murdering their people as having good aspects about it we as South Americans should listen to you then your are seriously deluded - psychotic even.
You have just described what was done in South America by the Latams !!!
#86
Latin America grows and takes its place on the global stage.......with Argentina playing the role of the clown.
#128
Actually we live in harmony with the local indian community and help them sell arts and crafts to visitors and creat jobs for them.
I am sure the Indians thank “Massa” for allowing them to live on the land you stole from them and the acts of kindness you show by selling their trinkets to tourists. Better than that, you allow them to do the menial labour that the “Grandees” would not sully their hands with.
It must make you glow with pride,
I have noted your notes on your diet.
cafe con leche and a media luna. the bife de chorizo
“The parrilla is both the metal frame and the method of torture that uses it.” The entertainment while you eat ?
Food Safety or Quality labels are rarely used in Argentina !!!!!
Hmm. Dodgy meat, sausages and croissants. I think I will pass !
#131
Nov 06th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0- This Neanderthal country (the UK) has made a large contribution to science, technology, and engineering than any other in the world.
- “British food...” You know nothing about the UK, British food as a homogenous concept does not exist and has not existed for decades. Our cuisine is, in a large part, driven by the diverse immigrant community in the UK. Any high-street in the UK offers a choice ranging from Fish and Chips (which are delicious) to hybrid-South-Asian to East Asian. Most large towns have even greater diversity. According to the Michelin guide the UK also has many more (145) world class restaurants than Argentina.
You're comments are driven by jealousy and insecurity. Grow up.
Mmmm - love the Indian food but then again that's not British and just another ex- colony that kicked your arse out on your way to global poodle status - I would have thought you would have leaned something along the way about stealing other peoples countries and resources and the follies of imperialism - but you are doomed to make the mistakes of the past once again
Nov 06th, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0El Diego@134: Interesting comment. I have never met a cuisine more limited that yours. Argentine cuisine is made up of grilled meat - now mostly imported from Uruguay (the local stuff comes from cows raised on antibiotics and growth hormones in filthy feed lots and is tasteless), Italian-style pastas which people eat mostly with tough pieces of beef stewed in tomato sauce [called “tuco”] and overpriced meat pies made with the left-overs of the grilled meat or the stew (British Cornish Pasties are much bigger, tastier and better). While most people in Britain can afford a roast beef dinner two or three times a week, the once legendary Argentine grill [legendary when Britian ran the country's agriculture] is now sadly a thing of the past - replaced with 'patys' (hamburgers) or 'choris' (sausages) . Although the unexciting plain cheese pizza ('muzza') is still popular, even that is too expensive for 50% of the population. (The truth hurts, doesn't it?)
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0#134 The “Indian” food you get in the UK is distinct from what you'd get on the sub-continent, there are several popular “Indian” dishes that you find in the UK and wouldn't in India. Face it, your comment about “Brit food” is completely wrong.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0How you can't see that modern Argentina is more a product of colonialism and imperialism than the UK is beyond me. Of course, given what we've seen of the indoctrination of Argentinian students, it makes sense (assuming you are in fact Argentinian).
I also see you had no retort about this “Neanderthal” nation...
128 El Diego (#)
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the falklands can whoever they please to islands, the islands are a very mixed gene pool, at the end of the day Argentina has no say in the matter. the only way you will have a say is by force and has failed before. the world doesn't care about the little islands, do you not see that? would you be willing to live there? its cold windy and wet even if you had the islands you wouldn't want to live on them Argentina has massive areas of land, why are you even wanting the cold, wet and windy falklands?
@134 - El Diego
Nov 06th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I don't know, Masala is a British invention.
We even EXPORT it to India.
Just like we (the British) introduced tea to India, which is now one of their main exports.
Just like we (the British) invented the country of India - there was no such place prior to the British arrival. And we only went to India to secure our trade routes from the Far East, which were under threat from the French and Spanish.
In fact, the whole British Empire was built purely to counter the French, Spanish and the evil of the Catholic Church.
It's a pity you are still under the yoke of an organisation that breaks the 1st and 2nd commandments EVERY day.
As for the Falklands. Keep crying, Argentina.
If you actually had a LEGITIMATE claim, you would've been at the International Court of Justice years ago. There is no legal path that Argentina can follow to gain sovereignty of the Islands, if there was, as I said you would've taken it years ago.
So you lie, and lie, and lie, and hope that if you lie often enough, that people will actually believe you. But the Falkland Islanders have counter your lies with the truth.
Every year that passes by weakens Argentina's already weak claim, and strengthens the Islanders rights to live the way that they want to.
So the only recourse open to Argentina is to cry impotently on the world stage and humiliate yourselves. You could try round 2 with the UK, but considering how round 1 went (and you were better armed and equipped last time), it wouldn't be pretty.
The point that you are all missing is that the Malvinas occupation is a moral issue just like the occupation and exploitation was of all the Poodle colonies in the past where you had to be kicked out on our ass or were morally shamed into leaving - the psuedo legality of the Cameron strategy is not serious and not supported widely - its more akin to something one would expect from the likes of North Korea - believe me you will leave those islands just as you left all your other colonies - cut all the bravado and go study your countries history and you will understand why your position is untenable and you will face the inevtiable - its written in your history. The world in 2013 and forward does not accept it
Nov 06th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bueno basta por ahora - I am off to the ranch in Patagonia - we are having the Kitcheners over for an asado on Sunday and need to prepare - mmmmm
By the way - stealing Indian cuisine and calling it British - hahaha - you guys are soooo funny. Anyway we still do good businss together selling our waste meats that you would understand as corned beef - even my dogs woudnt eat that stuff but you Brits love it with the cheap toxic wines - British haute cuisine at its best ! hahaha
@El Dago
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “Malvinas occupation”, ended shortly after it began, when the Islands were liberated by the British, both in 1833 and again in 1982.
The rights of the Islanders is the moral issue here, but you of course can’t see that.
The Falklands have never legitimately been Argy territory, is what a study of (real) history tells you.
Off to the Turnip farm in Argy occupied Patagonia, which you usurped from the Mapuche and now squat on. Argy Planter.
You’re not really on the same planet as the rest of us are you?
I mean even for an Argy Troll, you talk complete Bollox.
Worst case of penis envy so far, did some Anglo cop off with your wife or something, to get you all bitter and twisted like this.
I suggest you hook up with SussieUS, match made in heaven you two.
#139 You are seriously deluded. As the recent referendum has demonstrated the UK exercises sovereignty over the Falklands with the consent of the Falkland islanders. Were they ever to change their minds the UK would happily grant them independence, as such there is no “moral issue”. By no means will this ever result in the transfer of sovereignty to Argentina. What don't you understand here? How do you justify the Falklands being Argentine?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With regards to food, you still don't get it. Every person in the UK has access to a cuisine more diverse than most other counties. Modern British cuisine incorporates ingredients and influences from around the world, in much the same way that Italian cuisine today is strongly connected with pasta and tomato (neither of which are “native” to Italy). To claim that British cuisine doesn't include those of south-east Asian origin for example would suggest there is no such thing as Argentine cuisine, after all it is heavily influenced by the Mediterranean.
In terms of wines I have no idea what you are on about either. Most of the wine consumed in the UK comes from France. To claim that our wine is “cheap” and “toxic” is frankly stupid. Wine, as with most things, is of course on a spectrum. Of course there are cheap wines but most wine bought in the UK is neither cheap or toxic.
Still waiting for an answer to the “Neanderthal country” comment ... Frankly, most of your comments come across as highlighting your own insecurity with regards to Argentina.
Obama does not support his little Poodle and neither does Latin America and guess where the islands are ? Clue : they are not in the North Sea
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The so called special relationship with USA was a con to get you to send your troops to Iraq and now they pay you back with a slap in your face - a complete humiliation for you
There is a huge moral issue with imperialism and the referendum was a STUNT and everybody knows it or it would be supported by USA and its not - someone who you thought was your best friend in the world and they don't agree with you!
What a bunch of suckers sending all those poodle troops to their death in Iraq and they turn round and slap your face in front of the whole world -
You will be shamed into leaving - it's in your history and you have had it done to you time and time again - its there for you all to see and just a question of time
Mmmmm - sitting back here at night with the fire on under the Patagonian moon and enjoying a fine Malbec - one of the best I have had in a long time. The tira de asado was lovely tonight.....
@142
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep going little troll puppet - it will soon be your bedtime!
“Mmmmm - sitting back here at night with the fire on under the Patagonian moon and enjoying a fine Malbec - one of the best I have had in a long time. The tira de asado was lovely tonight.....”
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tommorrow and for the forseeable future the Falkland Islanders will enjoy their barbeques without your country's Imperialist ambitions ever being achieved.
And there's nothing Obama and you can do about it.....
@142 Is El Diego having another Argentine whine?
Nov 07th, 2013 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0139 El Diego (#)
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the modern world you think you know about, people have rights, the islanders have rights and it doesnt matter how they got there.
I dont touch corned beef, you can keep it.
@143
Nov 07th, 2013 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, this guy is such a compendium of clichés, you have to wonder if he isn't another work of fiction.
As for the Americans, if they haven't come down off the fence over the referendum, it's quite simply because there is no need for them to do so. Argentina's current Malvinas campaign has no prospect whatsoever of effecting any change in the status quo, and the only people fooled by it are the Argentine domestic population. Which is, of course, the whole point.
The others who are “fooled” into thinking the Islands will go back to Argentina - USA, Latin America, China, Russia, the UN and the list goes on
Nov 07th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it's the deluded poodle syndrome again
@148
Nov 07th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure. They all wake up every morning frothing at the mouth that the Argentine national manhood was called into question by a bloke in a rowing boat two centuries ago.
Perhaps you should go and read what UN resolutions actually do say, as opposed to what your masters want you to believe they say. But maybe you prefer being a dupe.
I thought el dago would be too busy digging up the bodies of the Missing ,or is he to ashamed Evil has a name and it is Argentine Do you expect anyone to trust your kind
Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0148 El Diego (#)
Nov 07th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0the deluded one is you, still thinking there is mythical place called Malvinas.
@142 El Dago
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn’t really matter now what Obama thinks, it what the next US president thinks you need to worry about, especially if he is a Republican.
Actually the statement from the US about the Falklands referendum, said “they recognised it as a truly democratic act”.
China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Indonesia and N. Korea probably do support Argentina over the Falklands. You are judged by the company you keep after all.
If you ever went out into the world, you would find that no liberal democracy on the planet will support the Argentinian position that the Islanders have no rights in this.
The referendum was a game changer, forced the Argentinian Gov to stop telling the world that “the Islanders don’t care about being British” or even that they were somehow “hostage to the British military”, and start saying “they have no rights, like the rocks on the beach.
Not an argument you can win in the modern world, deluded to think otherwise.
Then Argentina had to quietly drop the “Argy population was expelled” claim, after the Islanders produced the proof that the settlers stayed on the Islands, when the illegal UP occupation forces we expelled.
You’re a laughing stock on the world stage, over this and other matters.
@150 lornefirth
Listen to him, he probably helped “disappear” them, notice how he popped up just as they found all those documents.
Squatting on an Estanco of stolen Mapuche land, in Argy occupied Patagonia, tells you all you need to know. Another one of the Turnip clan.
The other day I met a girl called Malvinas.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There was a young girl called Malvinas
Whose brain was the size of Cristina's
It's really too bad
Malvina's old dad
Didn't tie a knot in his penis”
I'm thinking of calling my daughter Limerick
@152 Pugol
Nov 08th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Then Argentina had to quietly drop the “Argy population was expelled” claim, after the Islanders produced the proof that the settlers stayed on the Islands, when the illegal UP occupation forces we expelled.”
And they keep quiet about the fact that the UP although outnumbering the perssonel on the Clio, did not resist because most of Pinedo's sailors were ....yep you've guessed it...British born sailors(some of them English).
Wonder why the Argentines also never tell the world that of the UP authorities expelled, 10 of them were tried and shot by firing squad(in BA) for the murder of Mestiver (a Frenchman I believe)?
And they airbrush the British claim on the Islands prior to 1833 as if the Brits first turned up then, but not the Spanish or their own, despite the fact a claim is a claim is a claim.
Political theory doesn't not always state the more obvious and and indeed can work in reverse - I would be cautious about that. Niche once said be carefull which lands you conquer as they may be the beginning of a disagreement of grand dimension that results in paradox - underlying events could be move in this direction but I am sure you will disagree
Nov 08th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm....we had some lovely empanadas today made by one of the old Indian ladies on the estate washed down by a superb bottle of Pinot noir - tomorrow is the big polo challenge and need to get a few more chukkas under my belt before the championships start in Palermo -
Niche, huh?
Nov 08th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I go for Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm who also said “A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything”. I bet you never knew he'd visited the Malvinaverse.
Sorry damned spell checker - regardless Pardoxical situations fascinate
Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@157 “empanadas today made by one of the old Indian ladies on the estate”
Nov 09th, 2013 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm ... Indian-style pies ....deep fried and greasy ... the first 150kg polo player ... (poor horse)
I would like to invite malvinas residents to my Patagonian ranch where you can taste the home made empanadas (not the fried cancer causing greasy processed pie style the Brits like) and get a feel for the beauty of the land - we could visit the glaciers and take a boat trip on the lakes and you would get a feel for the genuine friendliness of the people followed by an excursion to our cultural capital BsAs where you can indulge in a heady mix of Argentina culture and Latin lifestyle - we could also include a visit to the polo championships in Palermo where you can meet and mix with the worlds best polo players and even royalty - members of the British and Dubai royal families will attend and I have a lovely apartment that overlooks the parks and would be happy for someone to use - think about it as it would give you a break from that windy and desolate rainswept isle - you will love the people here in Argentina and they will be fascinated to meet you - if you are an islander and interested let me know
Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#159 There is something that doesn't quite ring true about your story. I have been several times to Patagonia , where old Indian ladies with a less-than-rigorous approach to hygiene and dishwashing invariably offered fried greasy pies - not the oven-baked variety found in large cities. Whether these soggy heat attacks were cancerogenous or not I, of course, cannot say.
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