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Falklands: Argentina's call for dialogue and cooperation “rings hollow”
Argentina’s call for dialogue with UK rings hollow, Romford MP Andrew Rosindell argued in a letter published in The Times in which he said that Argentine claims that the UK is increasing its military presence in the Falklands are false. Instead he argued that the presence there is the minimum necessary to defend the Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI'm not sure what is more mortifying!
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0That Argentina is represented by such an inept diplomat or that the tiny number of troops on the Falkland Islands is considered enough to repel Argentina's military.
The most mortifying thing of all is that under Anglo surveillance, the world's largest living organism is going the way of the dodo.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another find example of anglo environmntal stewardship.
Huh?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do mental health issues run in your family? It is quite common for many mental health disorders to manifest in late adolescence.
You just can't escape the persona you have created on here. It is quite amusing to see each new post since you flunked out of whatever you were studying.
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Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aaah yeah, that sort of just proved my point mate!
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go on, say something totally unrelated to the article again.
@4,
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You truly are a carbuncle on the backside of humanity.
I think the world's largest living organism is a tree. The Giant Sequoia. The largest of these is called the, “General Sherman Tree”.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is in the Sierra Mountains of California.
TP, you have posted far more interesting comments than your #2 comment here.
The amount of personal attacks is inversely proportional to the ability of one's detractors and opponents to succesfully parry commentary and fact by adducing or fournishing evidence.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0In English, I'm too much for all of you, thus the lone remaining refugia is in the realm of uncouth scurril and character assassination.
You brought up, “largest organisms in the world” when the article was about Argentinians demands for dialogue vs. their actions related to dialogue.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0That demonstrates your superior argumentation skills?
I only discuss argentine politics with foreigners that actually know, have followed for years, and understand Argentine politics.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you see anyone in this section that meets the requirements? I do not.
And if someone here does meet the requirements someday, then I will just simply inform them that I do not discuss domestic affairs with foreigners.
@10: talking about the Falklands is hardly domestic affairs.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0That may be indeed the case, but I'm not remotely interested in the Falklands.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the past Islanders' have taken part in the 'negotiations', 1973 being an example and recorded on page 186 of official UN document A/9023/Rev1 Volume V Chapter XXVII. One has to ask if it was OK for the Islanders to participate then on what grounds does RGland attempt to deny them now?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Further, I believe the Islanders and the UK Government, do not stress anywhere near strongly enough that the ICJ has, on two occasions, in advisory opinions, stated that ALL (my emphasis) NSGT's have the right to self-determination. They (ICJ) make no reservations or conditions on this right.
Further, in his written dissenting opinion, the Argentine judge, Dr. Ruda, does not even mention paragraph 54, (the one that deals with the right of self-dtermination), of the opinion. His dissenting opinion is available here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6217.pdf
The courts opinion, and the opinions of the other judges are all available through this website:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6217.pdf
@2 Tobias
Nov 06th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that the worlds largest living organism is a fungus that resides in Oregon. It is estimated to be anywhere from 2,400 - 8,500 years old.
So do enlighten us as to how UK surveillance is destroying this organism?
Come on, Tobias, you keep telling everyone how 'big' your brain is, so reach into it and explain how?
Or are you just a little troll who is desperately trying to divert attention away from Argentina's p!ss poor performance, with your hate filled racist rants?
Oh, and for your information, the Falkland Islands aren't a part of Argentina, never has been and never will be, so when Argentina keeps interfering in someone else's country, expect retaliation in KIND.
Surely your massive brain has worked that out?
@7 bushpilot
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't the world's largest organism a fungus as LEPRecon says. It covers many square miles (even more square kilometres). And was also the guest star in an episode of the X-Files.
Tobias, you are easy meat and the reason you have so many opponents is because your argument is indefensible and no matter which way you turn, your viewpoint can be dissected and discarded.
Argentina's claims are as hollow as TTPT(tobias) skull cavity. British forces defend the islands from the local bad boy Argentina. British forces are needed because Argentina proves itself an untrustworthy state, spewing poisonous, undiplomatic rhetoric for an unmerited cause. CFK and her cohort take hypocrisy to new heights.
Toby : Why not try your hand at fishing in the Riachuelo ? According to your Campora paymasters , trout have been spotted there .
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/matanza-riachuelo-basin-one-of-worlds-most-polluted-places/
Argentina's macro economics are unwinding faster than you can say devaluation, and Ttt and marcos are deflecting with obscure eco stories and quirky regional news items about bananas. Great priority setting.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you check the weather in Timbuktu before phoning for the fire brigade when your house is burning down?
@12 The Truth PaTroll That may be indeed the case, but I'm not remotely interested in the Falklands.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0if that is the case then don't bother commenting on Falklands Issues Mr clever dick.
I just can imagine the dialogue with the Islanders.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Islanders...
I want to be British
FI belongs to Ukistan
We are not a colony even if we have to suck Ukistan xxx.... every day.
We have more than 5000 generation living in there even before Britain exists.
Uff! Quite boring why no just copy &past MP’s posts and we can save all this time in unproductive stuff?
@19 Falkland Islands
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I remember one of TTT's famous posts, where he stated that the NEVER commented on Falkland related articles.
Guess what? The very next article he commented on was regarding the Falkland Islands, so he couldn't even remember his own assertation, let alone keep his word.
TTT just uses this forum to vent his anger and impotence, because Argentina's economy and future is so crap at the moment.
If only danny would stop posting ..............
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”“”“Do mental health issues run in your family? It is quite common for many mental health disorders to manifest in late adolescence. ”“”“
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0hes at bottom-rung of Argentine class system, trying to appear to be higher by claims of hyper-intelligence and academia.
he'll never be playing polo with the true ”elite” of Argentina though, and its they who make the decisions. People like TTT just do what they are told to and do so, like good little munchkins.
its what the lower classes are for ateotd.
so dont expect sense, he's just following the role he was born into, which is to do what hes told and dont bother the polo ponies.
Argentina's call for dialogue and cooperation fools only Argentines.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, the MPs letter comprehensively destroyed all the trolley dollys arguments which were reduced to smouldering ashes. She seems to have retreated into shopping mode again. The time is coming when she will be reduced to bag lady, pushing a shopping trolley around the West End crying “chicken or beef?” Timerpunks store of $ must be getting low.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0#22 if he wants to play Polo with the Argentine elite he will have to come to the USA and UK in the winter and South Africa in the Summer where the elite is trying to appear more sophisticated by sucking up to the British aristos and American money.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems if you know the right people you have no trouble acquiring foreign currency.
@1 No need for concern. In 1982, argieland found it necessary to deploy 66,000 troops to overcome 80 Royal Marines. They managed it only because the late Sir Rex Hunt, the Governor, ordered the Marines to lay down their weapons. Now there are 1,500 troops, combat aircraft and warships in place. Occasionally the ARA Drummond ventures out of port and regularly gets warned off because the numpties on board can't navigate.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 You have to understand that, despite what we say publicly, we don't give a toss about CFK.
@8 Sonny, you couldn't cope with a 5-year old. Whilst most of us try to adhere to the rules of the site, a difficult task given the presence of the arses from latam, a 5-year old would probably be blunt and to the point. Neither would they be impressed by your quasi-erudition. But then, neither are we!
@10 Then you're just wasting our time, aren't you? Sounds much like the slop bucket you occupy.
@19 Please just go away, slutburger. You're not funny anymore.
@22 Is it possible that he's born to clean up after the ponies?
But argieland has been offered many opportunities for “dialogue and cooperation”. Wasn't there “dialogue and cooperation” over fishing and hydrocarbons until some brain-dead argie tore the agreements up, tossed his dolly out of his pram and stormed off in a huff? Wasn't Gollum offered an opportunity for “dialogue” early this year? And he stormed off as well. Trouble with the saggy bitch of the pink is that her idea of “dialogue” is that she talks and everyone else listens. Wouldn't be so bad if she had anything worth saying. Suggested improvements to CFK and her bag lady. Drill holes into each ear. Staple mouth closed. Administer high pressure flush through suitable orifice.
Feburary. Hague's Office. Comfy Chair. Catering. Photographers that could even make Timerman look like a statesman. The interests of the Islanders explicitly taken into account because two (JUST TWO!!!) islanders were there. All parts of the UNGA 2065 they adore was checked with smiley faces.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina ran.
They don't want dialog. They don't want the Falklands.
They just want to tease and string along the suckers at home who believe lie after lie after lie.
The gaudy, clamorous vaunting and uncouth self-aggrandazing on display by the Anglos in the last 10 responses here is one of the most manifest examples of deep cultural and societal insecurity one will ever encounter. A comportment expected only from societies with the most wounded of vanities.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no! Tobias the twats language has suddeny regressed about 3 centuries. Someone get him a modern English language book...
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And, stop trying to digress, no-one is interested in you, the subject is the demolishing of Castro.
@28 Tobias
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't answered the question I asked at post 14.
Why is it that you don't answer questions?
But I see you've been at your Thesaurus again. But using big words does not make you intelligent, and neither is your post above.
Tell us, why won't Argentina sit down and talk with the UK? As GFace stated it was all in place to go in Feb this year?
How can anyone believe in Argentine sincerity when you run away from the talks that you asked for?
Are you actually going to answer the questions, or are you going to post more irrelvant drivel?
@29
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's funny you Brits believe yourselves Einstein because you have “unmasked” Castro's intentions.
She has no cards to play here, she does the best she can. She has no cards to play because you are all correct, Argentina is not interested in dialog with the UK.
Dialogue about what? Nothing you wish to discuss interests us.
@27GFace
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As witty as usual, however I'm not convinced ANYTHING could turn this poor sap of a man into a statesman.
@31
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So if you agree that Argentina is not interested in dialogue, why do you think Argentina is continually clamouring for it?
Let's all just ignore Toby the tit-twat for the next 7 days. Has IT ever said anything of worth? Apart from the pleasure of winding up the TiT so that he displays what a prat he is?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To make you look bad. Politics and geopolitics are neither arcane nor encrypted. They are pursued by men, and usually not very intelligent men at that.
The UK will not discuss sovereignty with Argentina. That is something you do not wish to discuss.
You wish to discuss about stuff like fisheries, flights, and cultural exchange. Argentina has no interest in discussing its territorial waters outside of your area in the Falklands with you. They are our waters just as much as the Falklands are yours. I still do not comprehend what do the British fail to understand about that when they accuse Argentina of abrogating fishing agreements. We made a mistake, we negotiated OUR waters (again, outside the Falklands EEZ) with you. It was dumb, I admit it.
We will not be doing this anylonger. They are out waters, our resources, what is there not to grasp there?
Flights? Who cares about flights, I have never heard anyone in Mendoza say “I'm going to the Falklands on vacation”. We need more flights to Porto Seguro, Florianopolis, Punta del Este, and Vina del Mar, not to Stanley.
Cultural exchange? Argentina is no longer interested in European culture. We have grown up, and steered as a society away from what is a continent full of crimes against humanity and which has yet to apologize for them.
I hope that assuaged all your queries.
@ 35 the reasons for not discussing sovereignty are simple.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The Falklands are under British sovereignty.
2. The Islanders (us) live here and have lived here for generations, so why would we give up somthing we own.
3. Why would we want to be Argentine?
4. We don't trust Argentines.
5. Arg invaded us twice, once in 1832 and again in 1982, we won.
6. Arg also claim South Georgia, South Sandwich and Antarctica, those claims are false too.
7. Arg try to bugger our economy.
8. if Arg had the whole of this area, they would control the world.
So “NO” we will not discuss it.
@36
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you didn't need to enumerate the last 7 reasons. The first is sufficient for me and I respect it.
Now you respect Argentina's non-desire to talk “fishing” with you.
fine by me, but please do not plunder the sea just to spite us.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 Thats because you dont live in Mendoza you little twit! You know nooothing...
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How funny, you want us to not exercise full sovereignty over our waters, with or without agreement? You people are just absolute megalomaniacs.
@39
You have not even left the east shore of the Atlantic Ocean. You can't even speak about anything this side of the world.
@35
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Goodness. Surely you don't mean to imply that the Argentine position is a barefaced lie?
You're wrong about the British position, incidentally. The UK's position is not that it will not discuss sovereignity, the position is that it will not discuss sovereignity without the agreement and participation of the Falkland islanders.
The problem with fish, of course, and also hydrocarbons, is that they are no repecters of national boundaries. It's in recognition of this pesky fish behaviour that the more mature, civilised countries have often chosen to cooperate in their management, to mutual benefit. But of course one can understand why Argentina would not want to enter such an arrangement, given that it doesn't meet the minimum standards of responibility necessary.
I do understand however that during her convalescence CFK has been working on a scheme to brand all Argentine fish, like cows, and I'm sure we all wish you luck with that.
Tit, I have visited four SA countries including RGland. I will be in Chile for the first time in February and I leave for Delhi this evening. You are not in Mendoza, you have no knowledge of it. You are simply an incompetent brainwashed, slightly nutty troll dedicated to changing the subject. Entertainment!
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32... Well there IS photoshop... but seriously, he could have showed up. He could have been a total douche and not recognized the presence of the islanders and talked passed them to Hague (ironically making him the the WASPiest person in the room). He could have even taken the high road went Nixon-Goes-To-China and actually had the handshake shot with the Island representatives. But he didn't. If he had, his office and country would still have the teenie-tiniest-nanometer-of-a-sliver of credibility on 2065.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But no. Argentina officially vacated 2065 that day. They will not go to the ICJ. They don't want the Islands. They won't pursue the Islands. Period. Anyone who believes it in Argentina might was well invest what's left of their personal and national credibility (and bank account information) to the next 419 email scam they come across and just get it over with.
#2
Nov 06th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will have to spell this out for me.
under Anglo surveillance, the world's largest living organism is going the way of the dodo.
Which “organism” are you talking about ?
@35 Tobias
Nov 06th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To make the UK look bad?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The world can SEE what Argentina is doing. They are not blind nor are they stupid.
Argentina asked for talks. The UK set them up. The UK then had the world's media waiting. Your beloved Hector ran away. The world's media then took lots of lovely photographs of Hector running away, and the empty chair.
Argentina has shown itself to be insincere. The ONLY reason Argentina asks for talks is so that dupes like you, Tobias, actually believe that they are doing something. Then when they don't turn up for the talks, they blame the British, again believed by dupes like you.
The world, however, see Argentina for what it is. NOTHING.
Is that why you are so angry, Tobais? You have no hope and no future (certainly not in Argentina anyway).
Is that why you desperately try to persuade people that you are an intellectual? You look up 'big' words in a Thesaurus and use them believing that you will astound the 'plebs', with your brilliance.
The only problem Tobias, is that you are NOT an intellectual. You are, at best, just an average person, ORDINARY and deep down inside you know it.
At that is why you hate so much. Because we all see right through you.
@43
Nov 06th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol - I didn't think about photoshop. Mind you, given the individual in question he would probably adopt the Chinese/Iranian version. He is the Clouseau of international diplomacy.
Sooooo Arjuntina is still babbling about “Dialogue” with respect to the Falkland Islands..!(An exchange of opinions on a particular subject)..Seeing as Arjuntina has enshrined in its “constitution” (lol) the Falklands issue what is there to discuss? Without question Arjuntina would have to change its “constitution” and delete any reference regarding the Falklands before any “dialogue” could take place.Once again Arjuntina has shot itself in the foot and this time really outsmarted itself.There would be no point at all to proceed with “dialogue” when the very issue to be discussed is in fact “enshrined ” in their constituion.By doing what they have,they have infact slamed the door shut,as to delete the Falklands issue from their constitution would be political suicide.Bottom line being that the Arjuntinian interpretation of “dialogue” can only mean...“Its our way or the highway”..That being the case why would anyone consider “dialogue”when one party insists thats its position is the only ligitinate one??
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Astute observation. Which is why no one negotiates anything with the UK anymore. Or haven't you noticed, NO ONE negotiates with you anymore. When was the last time the EU asked you for aynthing? Or the USA? Or China?
The UK wants its way or the highway, in every single solitary item someone else may wish to discuss with them. That is why now you are totally isolated from the EU, the USA has given you a cold shoulder, and Latin America asks as one front to shut you away from the continent.
You never EVER have shown as a nation or society the willingness to COMPROMISE. As the Germans say “Nun hast du deinen Salat”.
Example: The Fallkanders and the UK want Argentina to sit down and discuss fisheries with them, so that you have more fish for yourselves. So you want Argentina to give up some economic benefit... Have you ever considered what YOU are willing to give up?
That's right, nothing. In all this time the UK has called for dialogue over ”issues of common interest (outside sovereingty), I have not ONCE heard something like “Ok, we as the UK / Falklands are willing to give up, or compromise on X, Y, and Z if Argentina restrains its fishing quota”.
Anyone ever hear the UK compromising and willing to give and take? No.
Thus, why you are isolated in so many global spheres today.
It is very impolite to write that an ambassador is utterly stupid.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Alicia 'chicken or pasta' Castro hadn't been an ambassador, I would have written exactly that.
#48
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We gave away most of our fishing grounds to the EC.
We decommissioned many of our fishing boats to preserve our stocks only for the EC to ignore this fact and we were required to decommission more vessels when Spain did eff all and gained at our expense..
The CAP policy is swayed in favour of France and Germany... help for our sheep farmers was virtually excluded from the Agricultural policy because it was decided that “sheep” were not really farm animals !!
Have you looked at your own governments's policies towards it's own S A partners ? Do you think that is the model of cooperation and understanding.
Uruguay ? Brazil is fed up with your antics. I'm sure Chile would wish that you disappeared up your own bolt hole.
You are the laughing stock of the UN. Take your xenophobic blinkers off and have a good hard look at yourself.
To quote the poet Burns...in an anglicised version
Oh would some power the gift to give us, to see ourselves as others see us
it would from many a blunder free us and foolish notion
As the French say: “Qui seme le vent récolte la tempête”. Of all people, the water-enclosed British should be quite familiar with making dirty deals the wind.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 048 The Truth PaTroll (#)
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he he isolated on world issues? because we wouldn't go to war against Syria America couldn't either, also our permanent seat on the un security council. you talk nonsense its clear the uk is a more respected country than argentina
Tobias' posts demonstrate that he is just a small boy seeking attention from the adults. Ignore him.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IF what you say is true, then you got shafted. And I tend to believe you, since you Europeans behave in exactly that way, backstabbing each other. Have done it for how long now, almost 2000 years since Rome broke up?
So you do understand why Argentina wants no negotiations with the UK, no deals with the EU, and tells Italian and German bondholders to stuff it. You are never to be trusted again.
@52
I never said you are not more respected, although that is a subjective opinion. More factual is the fact the the UK is rather isolated at the moment. As mentinoed above, whether your doing or continental Europe's matters not much, since as aformentioned, Europeans have a culture of backstabbing and abrogating all treaties they sign. One needs only to ask the native Americans, the Indians, the Africans and the Aborigines how their dealings and treaties with the English, French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, and later Germans, Italians, and Belgians went.
Tobias wants more flights to “Vina del Mar” which does not have an airport. the nearest one is Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez International Airport in Santiago, 127 km away.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby doesn't know Mendoza (where I am right now, in 36°C).
@55
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Let me guess, that observation makes you eligible for the Nobel Physics prize now.
It is terribly amusing how all I read is how you all correct my “spelling mistakes”, or split hairs with my statements (as above) because they were not precise enough for your little hearts, or dwell on picayune nonsense like my coordinates.
The only thing all of that demonstrates is your noetic smallness, and your vacuous ratiotinations. It is almost an algedonic sensation, to read such impotence and dearth of argumentation.
@48 The Truth PaTroll (#) (((((Laughter)))) @ TTPT... What a confused lil fella this reptile really is...Me thinks he should really get out and explore the world,talk about blinkers...!!
Nov 06th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tut, tut, Tobias Big Nostrils.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow!!!!!
Nov 06th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems Illex argentinus are not longer going to...
Must be sad...
Listening to some of the argie comments,
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One would have to ask,
Would you wish to be ruled by people that directly insult you?
A people who seem to hate you and everything you stand for,
A people that would forcibly convert or get rid of you,
If this CFK lead country called argentina hates you so much, then why oh why are they so dam keen to own you,
OIL , OIL , OIL , MINERALS , MINERALS , MINERALS , WEALTH , WEALTH , WEALTH,
Says it really, does it not..
Stay safe, stay free, stay British…
.
56 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The only thing all of that demonstrates is your noetic smallness”
and you are trying to make up for your lack of interlect by hiding behind big words.................
But even that's not working..........Clown
Nostrils
Nov 06th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Germans say “Nun hast du deinen Salat”.
French say: “Qui seme le vent récolte la tempête”.
In English we have a saying 'To cut your nose off to spite your face'!
Which is exactly what Argentina does when it comes to anything to do with the Falkland Islands, especially fishing.
And is exactly what you do. You are such a child of Kirchnerism and don't even realise it.
For someone who claims to be so much more intelligent than anyone else on here, you are unable to realise that your current personality is shaped by your own government and those you claim to hate the most.
Your personality is so fragile and weak that you loudly proclaim ad nauseam that you changed to your current outlook and persona because of what people wrote on this unimportant and, let's be frank, repetitive forum.
Nostrils, we made you!
Dozens and dozens of times you have posted about how open minded and friendly you once were when you first posted on here. And dozens of times you have said you changed simply because of how others treated you.
The farcical result is that your personality and morals are so weak that they didn't last very long when confronted with something new and stronger.
We've all watched your descent into bile and vindictiveness. You wear it is a badge of pride to be strutted in front of others to show how you too can play the game and highlight the undesirability of other's actions and thoughts.
But in the past year we created you. Slowly and bit by bit, week by week, the people you claim to loathe the most crafted and shaped your pathetically weak personality into this. Your lack of life experiences left you extremely vulnerable.
As such a malleable person it isn't surprising that people shy away from you. People don't hate weaklings, they just feel sorry for them.
You, as a person one step away from being brainwashed into a potential bomb-strapped fanatic, are definitely the weakest person Mercopress has seen.
Your intelligence was no obstacle.
#54
Nov 06th, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We agree again. We don't want anything to do with Argentina. It is a poisoned chalice. Your country's problem is that almost nobody wants to have anything to do with you....this even goes for the rest of S.A.
Keep this up and you will regress into a real third world country with no access to new technology, engineering ,medicine etc.
That would probably suit you but how about the rest of the population
You will be like the Amish in the USA, fossilised in time.
Tobias
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either you are trolling for trollings sake, or you really are thick....I am not sure which, maybe both.
Your isolationist dream for Argentina is fantasy. It would lead to poverty beyond which even Arjuntina would struggle to hide.
Look around you, you will see products and services from around the world. Things Argentina wants and needs supplied by companies from countries which you profess to hate.
Whatever device you are using to type your ridiculous tripe, the software you are using, the communication system, probably the power to run it...all supplied by foreigners you hate. The car you drive when you grow up, the medicines for your family...all from foreigners.
So forget the ridiculous isolationism ideology it makes you look a twat.
Of course when you do a deal, you want the best deal for you.
So, you want BP (for example) to invest in Argentine oil fields, what's in it for them?
You want Glaxo to supply pharmaceuticals, what's in it for them?
You want Ford or GM to build factories, what's in for them?
If the answer is to have their assets stripped from them and nationalised as soon as you President is having her monthlies....perhaps they won't bother.
Argentina without foreign investment would be poverty striken beyond what your tiny brain can fathom. Companies want to come, and want to do business and make a profit....Argentina wants to cheat.
They will go elsewhere...you are too dumb to realise it Toby and for that reason I pity you.
Perhaps, one day, when you have your isolationist dream, and you sick child is desperate for the most modern healthcare...and the doctor turns to you says...sorry Mr Turd, that treatment is available in isolationist Arjuntina as we don't do medical research...perhaps a few leeches...or a CFK poster?
Don't be a moron all your life...at least have a day off
I have to laugh at the Brit Poodles delusions - reminds me of the old and tired boxer who thinks he can get back in the ring again but didn't realise his time was over. Quite humiliating really for a once great power to end up the poodle of USA who doesn't support him any more even after sending his army illegally to die for them in Iraq against the wishes of their own people and after killing so many there for his master but gets slapped in the face and told to negotiate a solution to Malvinas - hahaha - what a superb and shrewd government poodle land has and another disasterous foreign policy!
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please Poodle Brits - go home and forget about your playground stunt referendum charade and the imported islanders - it's sad to see the UK behaving like North Korea
Mmmmm - It's a quiet night tonight in Patagonia - tomorrow we will go riding with the local Indians to round up cattle - my French cognac goes well with our lovel malbec hat we shared earlier. The Kitcheners will visit the ranch for asado and polo match on Sunday - should be a fun day
What is it about Mendoza? Is it something they put in the water, maybe?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Quite humiliating really for a once great power to end up the poodle of USA who doesn't support him any more”
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA don't particularly like Argentina either.
LMAO
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is a poodle and STILL Argentina can't beat them militarily or diplomatically.
We can thank El Diego for highlighting how powerless Argentina really is.
Enjoy your French Cognac and polo. Economic crises in Argentina hardly affect the rich so you have little to worry about.
@Monkeymagic
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Your isolationist dream for Argentina is fantasy. It would lead to poverty beyond which even Arjuntina would struggle to hide.”
Ha ha this is the more stupid argument that I have ever heard from Britons especially when they want to isolate themselves from Europe and SA.
Where are you gonna get new technology, medicines, food and the other stuff that keeps alive little Ukistan?
Really silly argument
Thank you for the thoughtful comments everyone. Even though I may only agree with 3% of their content, I do value thoughtful remarks, even when brimming at times with hyperbole. @62, 63, ad 64.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@69
That's what I find amusing. The Brits, Europeans, and Americans think they can isolate themselves and keep their same living standard, and all the other stuff they mention about access to technology. These nations trully believe they invented everything around them, just look at the example of the automobile: the Germans, Americans, Italians, French, Japanese, and British among others believe they all invented it.
If their nations practiced isolationism they would collase FAR FASTER than Argentina, because most of them can't grow nearly as enough food as we can, which would lead to riots in no time, and also because they are far more dependent on the flow of credit to run their bureaucracies. Virtually all of them are trillions in debt and running deficits, so cutting credit would collapse their economies public and private in a matter of 48 to 72 hours.
Argentina has gone on for OVER A DECADE without credit.
So they make fun of us because they believe we have no shot at isolationism, because we are backwards, have no technology supposedly, our economy is shit, etc. The fun is on them because as I elucidated above, they wouldn't last a fraction of that time!
65 El Diego (#)
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0are you an alcoholic?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-britains-secret-listening-post-in-the-heart-of-berlin-8921548.html
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would suggest to the Germans to rethink bringing back operation Sea Lion.
72 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0its all bullshit anyway, they are all at it.
So the Germans are also spying out of their London embassy?
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 074 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would say so, yes. Every government is at this, i would be baffled if they werent!
Then the Argentine opinion of Europeans as backstabbing, unstrustworthy, perfidious Turncoats is accurate. Mind you, not that Argentines invented the wheel here. The native americans, the aborigenes, the Africans, and the indians know full well what signing “treaties” with the European actually means (they will tear it up and stab in the back).
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 076 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government will surely be doing the same, they wouldn't be doing their jobs properly if they weren't! I find it funny how they are all saying how terrible it is to spy on friends etc when they know that everyone else knows they are doing it too!
So your just trying to twist this into yet more anti UK/Europe rants? Argentina arent exactly know for their honesty now are they?
Argentina are only dishonest with those that are dishonest. Not my fault all of Europe just happens to be dishonest, thus get no honesty from us.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 078 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Argentina is made up from Europeans, if there is a dishonest gene, you will surely have it too?
For the billionth time, I am not European.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 080 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you then? I dont think any race can claim to have a better morality than any other.
You just said no race can claim better morality (I would argue European races can't preach morality to anyone). Based on that, what does it matter what my race is? It is irrelevant to my message here.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 082 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your message doesn't hold water, your trying to say that Europeans are especially untrustworthy. Your claims just show that you are racist.
Why wont you tell me your ethnic back ground?
What does history say about European encounters in Africa, America, Asia, Australia? Did they go well for the natives? Does such evidence mean nothing?
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 084 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Back in the days when they used to burn witches at the stake, the technically advanced culture always takes over the less equipped it is really a natural process, wouldn't you say?
I would say it did go well for natives in the long run, now they are driving cars and have electricity.
The world has moved on and you cant really compare yesterdays practices to today's, we no longer believe in witches.
@84
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What does history say about European encounters in Latin America?
Dopey Bugger
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have already proved you are thick...thick beyond comprehension.
Is Norway isolated in Europe, Is Switzerland? Are either in the EU? Are they two of the richest countries in Europe with very healthy trade relationships with the rest of Europe.
How thick you are!!
Britain has a very healthy trade relationship with Europe which would exist whether we are in or out of the EU. It has an excellent trade relationship with North America, the Commonwealth countries, a growing relationship with the Far East and the Arabian peninsula. As I pointed out to Nostril, even in Arjuntina you will see British companies operating successfully.
So, Britain is one of the least “isolated” countries in the world..Dopey.
Trolley
Please tell me a single Japanese or Italian who believes they invented the automobile. Or are you lying again. Most would credit a German.
@Monkeymagic
Nov 07th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain has a very healthy trade relationship with Europe which would exist whether we are in or out of the EU”
But your politicians want to pull out from EU and if that happens, you will no be treated like the countries you have mentioned.
So forget about your financial preferences, market access, etc.
Complete isolation for Britain.
“Complete isolation for Britain.”
Nov 07th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course! Because the EU will totally ignore the world's 5th largest economy right on its doorstep.
The EU has put nearly 15 years into a FTA with Mercosur but will ignore Britain out of spite.
PMSL
@88
Nov 07th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK's attitude to the EU is somewhat different in its motivation from the Nostril plan to isolate Argentina from the cruel, cruel world which has so shamefully failed to take poor Argentina at its own estimation.
Norway and Switzerland are not in the Eu fuckwit. Britain if it pulled out of the EU would be the same...in the continent of Europe but not in the EU.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly the same as Norway and Switzerland.
And Norway and Switzerland are (together with Luxembourg) the highest GDP per capita countries in Europe.
So it hardly hurts them does it fuckwit!
Really Dany, you are a complete moron...how is your fantasy plan to sacrifice 100,000 Argentines (but not yourself) in a vain attempt to militarily take the Falklands going?
Have you worked out that you are an imbecile yet?
Hows your comparison of japanese standard of living with Argentine going?
Have you worked out that you are an imbecile yet?
Now we have that Switzerland and Norway are isolated in Europe because they are not in the EU...pmsl...you are a cretin!!!
#65
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Kitcheners will visit the ranch for asado and polo match on Sunday - should be a fun day
Kitcheners ? Are you going to hold a seance or are SO pissed that you cannot think straight. Who are the Kitcheners ....are they real people or have you just got the names misspelled ?
80 The Truth PaTroll (#)......“ Transplanted European”........period....!!
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65
Nov 07th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Horatio Herbert KICTCHENER 1st Earl KITCHENER died on 5th June 1916. Are you saying their descendants are going to have an asado with you. how quaint, how much is the beef ( expensive I bet )
Not that this has anything to do with this blog,
Nov 07th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or the Argies who keep changing the subject,
But the British were around whilst most of south America was still a twinkle in their mothers eye,[Spain]
And we will still be here defending what’s ours, long after you indocronoughts are long gone to the imaginary world in the sky.
Just a thought.
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@65
Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ The Kitcheners will visit the ranch for asado and polo match on Sunday - should be a fun day”
That's fun?
@Monkeymagic
Nov 08th, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0First I never say that Switzerland or Norway are Isolated I said that you will be isolate that is another thing
“Norway and Switzerland are not in the Eu fuckwit. Britain if it pulled out of the EU would be the same”
Will not be the same...
EU will not allow UK to keep being a financial centre for EU and the first to kick you out from EU market will be Germany.
UK’s politicians position and supporters are just like a children.
UK wants to enjoy the benefits from EU market but not to share the responsibilities and costs of it.
The only moron here is You.
LMAO
Nov 08th, 2013 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because the EU can stop companies using London.
97 DanyBerger (#)
Nov 08th, 2013 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0the UK will walk away from the eu if they try to tax the banks, they wouldnt wait for germany
#97
Nov 08th, 2013 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm hesitant to say this but I agree that leaving EU would be detrimental to the UK. Several of my research staff are funded by European Science Foundation grants which if we left the EU would disappear and probably not be replaced.
However, to use a generalisation that “UK politicians” want to leave the EU is simply a lie (which for you isn't out of character). Neither Labour, the Lib-Dems, or even most Conservatives want to leave the EU. Some minority of Conservatives and UKIP (who have no MPs, though 9 in the EP). In terms of number I suspect less than 20% of “politicians” would want to leave EU. Of course, a much higher number is interested in a referendum (though I suspect this is a populist gesture).
Those who don't support the EU have valid concerns, we do contribute a lot more to the EU than we directly get out. However, I believe this view ignores the wider benefits of the EU.
To call out politicians childish is laughable compared to those in Argentina (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index). Argentine politicians whine to every irrelevant organisation (and not the only one that matters, the ICJ) and other country in the world to be given the right to colonise Falklands and subjugate the Falklanders. When another country even talks to someone from the Falklands, Argentine politicians whine and stamp their feet, until that country shallowly responds that they “still support Argentina”.
The Argentine political class really is a disgrace. How you can't see this is beyond me, though perhaps has something to do with the state fed propaganda you are spoon fed from an early age.
97 DanyBerger (#)....I really do think that our lil munchkin “Dany” needs to return to school and finish his education...that is if one can get an education in Arjuntina...!!
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ inthegutter
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t know why you are so susceptible to the use of “politicians” as generic to don’t be naming case by case when you in the same post do the same like...
“Argentine politicians whine to every irrelevant organisation...” This also according with your own logic is a lie.
can you see?
That exactly explains my point always seeing the world from your little belly. I’m always right so the rest of the world must be wrong.
That’s is British’s autism logic due to earlier indoctrination.
I was really surprised to don’t see any post saying...
Bad luck for EU if we British pull out of the EU they will be Isolated from the world.
Indoctrinated who?
@El capitano
Männchen “El Capitano” trying to be funny ha...ha...ha
#102
Nov 08th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You made a generalisation which applies to small fraction of the UK's politicians, not one of the major political parties want us to leave the EU. On the other hand the frothing desire to steal the Falklands is enshrined in the Argentine constitution, the Argentine government constantly begs for support, and as addressed by this story: http://en.mercopress.com/2013/11/01/malvinas-claim-enshrined-in-the-constitution-and-supported-by-all-political-parties, it appears virtually all political parties in Argentina support this position.
My generalisation was then entirely valid where as yours is not.
“That exactly explains my point always seeing the world from your little belly. I’m always right so the rest of the world must be wrong.” - This is an utterly meaningless argument. Everyone believes they are right until they either proven wrong or *convinced* they are wrong. The only difference is whether they accept they were wrong in the first place. I would argue that everyone in the UK would agree that the UK has taken actions which are incorrect.
@97
Nov 08th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK wants to enjoy the benefits from EU market but not to share the responsibilities and costs of it.”
We put in more money than we take out of the EU, a philosophy totally alien to Argentina who like to scrounge money and refuse to pay it back.
How much foreign aid does Argentina give out ?
Mmmmmmm....It's a lovely evening at the ranch and just had some superb empanadas made by hand by one of the Indian ladies who lives on the estate washed down by a new Pinot noir out of Mendoza - tomorrow is the polo match and I need to get a few chukkas under my belt before the championships start in Palermo.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On Sunday our special visitors arrive and we will fire up the asado then - life is good!
105 El Diego (#)
Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect your an alcoholic, your always drinking. are there any true Indians left I thought the Spanish invaders had murdered them all?
@105 El Diego
Nov 09th, 2013 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't forget to check your wallet when your visitors leave.
El Diego lives such a privileged and glamorous lifestyle; enjoying the food and wine with wait staff at his beck and call and extremely important and rich people come and hang out with him.....
Nov 09th, 2013 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0WTF is he doing on Mercopress then?
Some people should really think twice before they create yet another sockpuppet whose sole purpose is to brag. With Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Google+ and 444 different flavours of blogging, this guy supposedly chose MERCOPRESS to gloat.
Wow what a sorry sad existence if Mercopress is where you are forced to bignote yourself.
PMSL.
@Pete Bog
Nov 09th, 2013 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why don’t you pull out and stop crying like a baby?
If you want to be out of the EU... what is stopping you?
Go away simple is your choice. What can we do. None is going to stop or miss you trust me.
#109 What are you mumbling about? @Peter Bog doesn't seem to be suggesting that we leave, just pointing our that we contribute more than we extract (and highlighting this is an alien concept to Argentina).
Nov 09th, 2013 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The United Kingdom is a representative democracy (I know you have little experience with this); if our representatives decide it is in our interest they will petition to leave the EU. A sizeable majority know that is not in our interests, this is despite the fact that we contribute more than we directly take out.
The same “argument” you made can be used to Argentina and Falklands. Your politicians continually moan about it but refuse to do anything that can actually change the situation. Why is that do you think?
@inthegutter
Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! inthegutter, please don’t play the card of superiority of the morons with me because I was borne I the most advanced and powerful country in Europe and the second in the western world.
Can you see that an ant in Argentina is more relevant that us than you crappy country?
We can swap your from EU just in matter of minutes sorry I know that this is quite shocking to hear coming from a German because we do not behave like that. But after so many years among Latinos now I don’t care a shit about to be polite. Ha ha
So we are still in power of EU like it or not and if you don’t like it you can go anywhere we will not stop you and we don’t want anything with you.
#111 What the hell are you talking about? You have lost any coherence. Are you now suggesting that Germany wants to throw the UK out of the EU?
Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Advanced and powerful” is a somewhat ambiguous term, that you shouldn't just throw around, don't you think? Popular definitions of “powerful” include the capabilities of the armed forces and the influence of a country in major international organisations. In terms of advanced, what is your criteria for suggesting Germany is “more advanced” than the UK? Our contribution to science and technology has certainly exceeded the bigger Germany over the last 10,50, 100, or 250 years.
But this is all beyond the point. As far as I can tell your entire world view is based around hatred of the UK. Why is that Dany? What has the UK done to you? What has it done to Argentina? What has it done to Germany? Why does this mean a few thousands islanders have to lose their homes to a bunch of despotic colonialist thieves?
In the best interests of cooperation I would like to invite malvinas residents to my Patagonian ranch where you can taste the home made empanadas (not the fried cancer causing greasy processed pie style the Brits like) and get a feel for the beauty of the land - we could visit the glaciers and take a boat trip on the lakes and you would get a feel for the genuine friendliness of the people followed by an excursion to our cultural capital BsAs where you can indulge in a heady mix of Argentina culture and Latin lifestyle - we could also include a visit to the polo championships in Palermo where you can meet and mix with the worlds best polo players and even royalty - members of the British and Dubai royal families will attend and I have a lovely apartment that overlooks the parks and would be happy for someone to use - think about it as it would give you a break from that windy and desolate rainswept isle - you will love the people here in Argentina and they will be fascinated to meet you - if you are an islander and interested let me know
Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet here you are on Mercopress.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL a luxury apartment and ranch owner that mixes with royalty and you grace us with your presence.
Very generous to invite all 320,000+ residents of Malvinas Argentinas Partido of Buenos Aires province. Or perhaps you meant the 8,000+ residents of Malvinas Argentinas in Córdoba.
Whatever would your wealthy and famous guests think when the riff raff of Argentina turn up.
PMSL. Too easy.
@inthegutter
Nov 09th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0F@cker now trying to playing the card of the smarty stupid we me, rigt?
Do you have any doubt that my country is more technological and economic advanced that your shitty country?
Oh! we are anglo saxon and our language comes from the Germans, bla, bla bla...
Use this shit with the argies may be you can find some stupid drunk that can believe that.
Idiot you are less German than the Taiwanese why you lot use us to bash other nations?
Especially when they are more German than you?
USA, Brazil and Argentina are the countries with more German background and habits in the world than any other places and you can feel at home in Argentina US or Brazil while in Ukistan you feel like in Africa.
I’m not saying that Africa is bad or emitting any judgement about Africa otherwise it is clear that UK has noting to do with Germany.
Do we want to kick you out of the EU?
Do you have any doubt about it? We are fed up of you like the French and the Italians. BTW Northern Italy more German than your invented anglo saxon world.
“Our contribution to science and technology”
What f@king contribution?
We have invented most of all modern things that the world enjoys today from weapons to modern cars, jet fighters, ballistic missiles, Cruiser missile, submachine gun, medicines, surgery, temperature scale, method to produce liquid hydrocarbons, polymers, plastics, earthquake scale, liquid propellant, trucks, motorcycle, electric train, electric tramp service, diesel engine, Air bag, gyrocompass, Krueger flaps, taximeter, Refractometer, Mercury-vapor lamp, Video game console, PVC plastic, other plastics, etc, etc, etc that we can be the whole day naming German’s contribution to science, mathematics, industrial sector, etc.
So please do not try to be smart or use your stupid tactics like you do with the Argies with we me because we know who is the dog and the master in this game.
I’m not a dog and I cannot make sounds like woof-woof so... jump idiot.
#115 My god, you're actually descending into insanity in front of us. At what point did I suggest that UK has a significant German heritage?
Nov 09th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What f@cking contribution?” - hahahaha...
We Brits literally discovered the air we breath (Priestley). To name a few others,
- Scientific method (Bacon, Newton, et al.)
- Gravity (Newton)
- The fundamental equations of electro-magnetism (Maxwell)
- Vaccination (Jenner)
- Penicillin (Fleming)
- The (Kelvin) S.I. temperature scale, the one that's actually used for anything useful.
- Dirac's equation (linking Special Relativity with Quantum Mechanics)
- Experimental verification of Einstein's* General Theory of Relativity (Eddington)
- The Jet Engine (Whittle)
- The structure of DNA (Crick, Watson, & Wilkins)
- The computer
* You know, that scientist you forced out.
I don't doubt that Germany has contributed amazing inventions. You are so blinded by hate that you can't see that the UK has contributed probably more, and at the very least not “What f@cking contribution”.
But again, really, why do you the hate the UK? I don't hate Germany (I worked their for 6 months and enjoyed my time) and I don't hate Argentina. I'm intrigued? You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder and your frothing hatred is bordering on the pathetic.
I could name an equally long list
@115 DB
Nov 09th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0German president urges UK to stay in EU”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/57fb6b76-7d14-11e2-8bd7-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2kAJ26j8m
@115
Nov 09th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet, despite that impressive list of achievements, Germany is better remembered for the remarkably efficient murder of six million Jews.
Forgiven but not forgotten.
they hate us, they loath us ,
Nov 09th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet they dont want us to go,
tough..lol
I understand that both the Falkland Islanders and the British Government are willing to enter into dialogue with Argentina at any time on any issue; yet their position on the choice of the Falkland Islanders is clear.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the British and Falkland Islanders do not challenge - yet should do - is the Argentine claims of disruption of national unity and territorial integrity which -to borrow from the article - “do not stand up to scrutiny”.
On the nationalism front, DanyB and others: It's nonsense to claim national superiority in scientific discovery and invention and its imagined “worthiness” of the state claiming the discovery or invention.
There is no monopoly on these virtues and most nations can point to their own pioneers who made the *same* discovery or invention in their own countries. As a result, national education curriculums tend to extoll the success of national figures, rather than international parallels. The truth is many countries “invented” or “discovered” the same things at roughly the same time. Sometimes, there are occasional “firsts” that are internationally recognized, but generally the international community of scientists and technologists are quite close to one another.
The fact is Germany, Britain, Argentina and all other nations can be proud of their own people who have succeeded in their chosen professions. However there is no monopoly on knowledge; thus my view is to celebrate what mankind has achieved, not individuals or nations
Getting back to the subject line of this thread.
Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK and Argentina could talk about the two ICJ advisory opinions that state ALL (please note that very important three letter word) Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGT) have the right to self determination.
Now the UN, via UNGA resolution 2065, has stated that the Falklands are a NSGT and further that in their own (UN) Charter, Article 73 states that the 'interests' (not wishes) of the 'inhabitants' (not people or population) are 'paramount'.
So I guess what they could talk about is when will Argentina recognise the referendum held earlier this year as there is not much else to talk about is there.
If the UN had any balls and truly believed in freedom and democracy,
Nov 10th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They would DEMAND Argentina obey the dame thing and get lost,
But then again they conveniently stay quiet,
WHY ??
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Er - because the referendum is considered a north Koreanesque stunt by many countries and silly in a Monty Python style - not too mention there is no appetite for British imperialism in 2013 as the emerging economies move to centre stage in world affairs - rather how could the UN possibly support it without losing total credibility
Nov 10th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@123 El Diego
Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What countries?
Beyond Argentina and it's South American cronies?
Where has the UN stated that it doesn't recognise the Falkland Islands referendum?
Come on, show us some actual evidence that supports your case?
The only country wanting to return to the days of imperialistic colonialisation is Argentina.
You want the Falklands. You want Antarctica. You want Uruguay. You want Chile. You want Paraguay. You want, you want, you want. But you can't have.
The world sees Argentina for what it is. I know it's difficult for you to understand this, as you are spoon fed National Socialist (aka Peronist) propaganda 24/7.
The world watched as Argentina DEMANDED talks regarding the Falkland Islands AND the world watched as Argentina then REFUSED to sit down and talk.
The world sees Argentina for the hypocrites that you are. The world knows Argentina to be the only party: regarding the Falkland Islands, to have ever BROKEN both UNGA resolution 2065 AND UNSC resolution 502.
In short, the world doesn't give a hoot about Argentina's imperialistic colonial ambitions. Cry, crawl, beg and humiliate yourselves all you want (that appears to be the tactic used by your current government) but it won't get you the Falklands.
The ONLY way to get the Falklands LEGALLY is to take your case to the International Court of Justice.
Now since your case is so solid, one has to wonder why you haven't taken it to the ICJ before, let alone why you won't take it now.
One can only assume that you have no case, and you know that an ICJ judgement against you would be catastrophic (even more so than the current bunch of inept clowns running your country) on international opinion.
So we can only assume that since you won't take the only legal path then you accept British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
El Diego
Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you have rich and famous people to hang out with on your ranch?
As for emerging economies taking centre stage. So far it is only China on the stage. Sometimes Russia pops up. And we all know why they loathe self determination now don't we.
Anyway, enjoy your wine and home made empanadas made with the hired Indian help and your mixing with royalty. So glad you take time out from such a hectic schedule to grace us with your presence.
@ #123 El Diego
Nov 11th, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ rather how could the UN possibly support it without losing total credibility”
Now there is a really interesting statement. Could it be because the legal organ of the UN, the ICJ, has said, on two occasions, that ALL NSGT's have the right to self determination? The referendum was, in my opinion an expression of that right of self-determination.
How would you have the 'inhabitants' of the Islands express what they believe their 'interests' are so as to comply with Article 73 of the UN Charter and exercise their right to self-determination as expressed by the ICJ?
One interesting fact about the second ICJ advisory opinion in 1975 is that there was on dissenting opinion and that came from the Argentine judge Dr. Ruda but what is really interesting about that opinion is that he makes no mention of disagreeing with paragraph 54, the one where the right to self-determination is expressed. What makes his lack of comment in this regard even more interesting is that this D. Ruda was the Argentine representative at the UN whose speech, full of easily proven lies, to sub-committee III resulted in UNGA resolution 2065, which is the one that confirmed that the Falklands are a NSGT.
The full 1975 ICJ advisory is available here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6195.pdf
and Dr. Ruda's dissenting opinion is available here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6195.pdf
Twist the UN as you wish but it does not support the referendum and neither does the US or Latin America - Obama does not support it or modern day imperialism -he can't - he knows the future is not with UK and he won't support you
Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will be shamed into leaving those islands just as you have any times in the past with other colonies - next year you will have your imperialist backsides kicked out of Scotland and become even more irrelevant - then will come Ireland and Wales
@ 127 El Diego
Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A typical troll's answer, i.e. not answering the question posed but going off at a tangent.
The question was:
'How would you have the 'inhabitants' of the Islands express what they believe their 'interests' are so as to comply with Article 73 of the UN Charter and exercise their right to self-determination as expressed by the ICJ?'
Answer that and you might retain some shred of credibility!
ROFLMAO at this El Diego lunatic...Just another gobby “DAGO” as far as I'm concerned...Talks a good fight but has absolutely no idea how to paticipate in one,let alone win it...Like all “Spicks” he/she has a big mouth and England/UK had to deal with them for many years...Did so..and its all part of history,but Spicks are Spicks and just cant let go...(whining lil b/stards)...I suggest this lil “El Diego” dwarf go read......“Drakes Drum”...Yup its all there for you“DAGO” and still applies...Ohh and for the record...who really gives a shit what Obama supports..??
Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 127 El Diego
Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0My apologies, I missed one very pertinent question in my post at # 128 above.
please show me one instance of where the UNGA has stated that it does not support the Islanders' referendum held earlier this year.
Time to invade the Falklands again.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0#127 “Shamed into leaving”, don't make us laugh. Even if we did leave the islands, we'd leave them to their independence (along with a promise of defence) and not to a thieving colonialist kleptocracy.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain to us why Argentina should have the Falklands. Even if we did kick out the legitimate Argentine authorities in 1833 (which we didn't) why does that mean they should be returned against the wishes of the current population? Between 1833 and now Argentina conquered most of Patagonia and vast swathes of Paraguay. I suspect you'll be too cowardly, like all your compatriots (Think, DanyBerger, et al.), to answer this, or you know we're right.
#127
Nov 12th, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I presume you have a crystal ball that can predict the outcome of referenda.
Good for you. You obviously know bugger all about Scotland and the Scots. Another point, Ireland got its independence years ago. Don't you keep up with current affairs ? As for the Welsh, I have not heard of any overwhelming desire for independence from the UK.
Most of the citizens of Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland wish for their cultural identity to be recognised and not subsumed into an amorphous whole. This seems to be working for the bulk of the population. So, thank you for your concern but maybe you should look at your own doorstep. I don't imagine that the average Argentinian has much in common with you- playing polo with “royalty” and having the servants bringing you picnic lunches on your estancia
THE US DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR POSITION
Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE UN DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR POSITION
LATIN AMERICA DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR POSITION
What can you do?
LISTEN TO WHAT THE WORD IS TELLING YOU BY NOT SUPPORTING YOU AND FIND AN ELEGANT WAY OUT OF YOUR IMPERIALISTIC ADVENTURE THAT HELPS YOU SAVE FACE IN A WORLD WHERE EMERGING ECONOMIES ARE COMING TO THE MAINSTREAM (THEY THEMSELVES WERE ONCE THE VICTIM OF IMPERIALIST RAPING AND PILLAGING AND WONT ACCEPT IT IN A POST 2013 WORLD) -
LOOK HOW THEIR ECONOMIC POWER IS GROWING AND LOOK HOW THE US AND UN AND THE WORLD ARE MORE AND MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE COUNTRIES THAN WITH A SMALL INSIGNIFICANT EX COLONIAL POWER - THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FORESIGHT TO REALISE YOUR FUTURE IS VERY LIMITED ON THOSE ISLANDS THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM POODLE LAND
And yet the Falkland Islands are still British.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One for our friend Diego: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/life-style/food-drink/argentine-recipe-book-dont-fry-for-me-argentina/
Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134
Nov 12th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you actually read any UN resolutions, you will find that there is not one calling for anything more than “dialogue” and “peaceful settlement”. Who could possibly object to that? (Apart from Argentina of course, which has somehow contrived to form the impression that “dialogue” means “monologue” and an invasion constitutes “peaceful settlement”).
Meanwhile, Ban-Ki Moon has stated that the UK is in breach of no UN resolution, and the GA has rejected a Spanish/Argentine attempt to limit the right of self-determination in cases of dispute, and has gone so far as to reiterate that self-determination is a universal human right.
And yet the Malvinanverse remains convinced that the UN supports Argentina. I know you have difficulties with concepts such as logical consistency and evidence, but this is quite exceptional.
It's another delusion that the US is on your side. As a matter of policy, the US generally keeps out of territorial disputes. You might note for example, that they are also ostensibly sitting on the face over the Senkaku question. This is really just a means of limiting controversy and counts as a vote for the status quo. If they did support Argentina, you'd think they'd at least say so. If you want to know what US policy makers thought of Argentina back in 1982, check out these diaries of Jum Rentschler, a member of the Haig peace mission.
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/114324
That leaves your fellow implanted colonial powers of Latin America. At least these are prepared to actually SAY they're on your side. You can probably get e.g Obiango and Mugabe as well. Good luck with that.
#134 Too much of a coward to answer my question I see. Pathetic.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahaha - the poodles scrambling for some table scraps to try and defend the indefensible - I am afraid only a few blinded diehard radicals like you find on this site actually believe
Nov 12th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sundays chukka practice was good and gets me into shape for the Palermo open next month and hopefully can put up a good showing this year................I will camp out at my apartment in Las Canitas until the open is over and hopefully some of you may be able to join me. Just let me know and I will be happy to show you the great lifestyle you can have here in Argentina and will be a great break from those cold bleak wet windswept islands and all those boring sheep...
Saludos a todos
Just make sure your horse is back on the milk float the next day, you do not want to let your customers down.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should all be worried about what Obama thinks because the USA are the ones who pull your strings - the pupeteer if you like for the puppet and your masters
Nov 12th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 020% of the USA population are Latin Americans now and they are not being ignored by Obama - so cut your losses and leave Latin America whilst you still have an elegant way to get out of here before your fat poodle backsides get pushed just like whats happened to you in all the other colonies - look at your history and see that you always have to back down sooner or later. Thats a fact
#134
Nov 12th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which multiple personality troll wrote this childish garbage ?
Style and content from the Boy's book of Goebbels speeches and wisdom.
Please try harder !
Note corrections:-
THE US DOES NOT SUPPORT ARGENTINA'S POSITION
THE UN DOES NOT SUPPORT ARGENTINA'S POSITION
LATIN AMERICA DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR POSITION -on the last point, who cares.
#139
I agree, the Falklanders SHOULD have the chance to visit Argentina..say the slums of Buenos Aires. That should certainly make them enthusiastic about being taken over by YOUR country.
I would imagine that nobody in the Falklands is as poor as these people. Maybe they are perfectly happy with sheep for company.
At least they do not bleat as much as the Argies on this site.
By the way, do your ponies have names and which team do you play for ?
@ 134 El Diego
Nov 12th, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you care to explain how the UN does not support the Islanders?
Please, when answering, bear in mind that the ICJ is, according to Article 7 of the UN charter, a principal organ of the UN and that on two occasions they have stated that all NSGT's have the right to self-determination.
That sounds a lot like support to me and from a principal organ of the UN.
Further the last time that statement was made a judge from Argentina was 'on the bench' and he did not offer dissent about the statement.
#141 You've demonstrated that, like your politicians, and many other posters on this website, you are a coward. This is the last time I'll engage with you and I hope some of the other posters follow suit.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 134 El Diego
Nov 12th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In one sentence,
Argentina can come and get it anytime they feel they can..lol
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#139 “...I will camp out at my apartment in Las Canitas until the open is over”
Nov 12th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt you mean Las Cañitas (with Ñ not N). It's not that I care about spelling but the two words are vastly different (Canitas = grey hairs vs. Cañitas = canes) and N and Ñ are nowhere near each other on the Spanish keyboard. No Spanish speaker who really knows Las Cañitas would make such a bad mistake.
#139 “...I will camp out at my apartment in Las Canitas until the open is over”
Nov 12th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Selling choripanes and patties by 3 de Febrero station more like .....
The UN does not support the UK because it simply does not come out and say so - that's a fact. Twisting around some obscure legal discussions does not means the UN supports the UK and is just fantasy and lack of a real solid argument.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come and join me in Las Canitas this weekend for a parilla - you are all welcome and I can show you how our latin way of life can be yours too.......I can show you around the the stables and you can even ride my horses if you like - and you can forget for a short time about grimy slimy life in the UK and Malvinas - at least for a short while
#148
Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Care to answer my question at #142
By the way, do your ponies have names and which team do you play for
The UN does not support Argentina because it simply does not come out and say so - that's a fact. Twisting around some obscure legal discussions does not means the UN supports Argentina and is just fantasy and lack of a real solid argument.
Thank you for your invitation but why should we trade Argentine bullshit for horseshit ?
Hi the team is La Bamba de Oreco - I play from time to time
Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have many horse - 17 so I am not going to go through them all here but needless to say at least one is called Malvinas
TWIMC
Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I Think” that Mr. rule_britannia at (146) is right...
Mr. El Diego is evidently a Non-Spanish speaking troll...
Mostly everything he writes in Spanish, he writes wrong...
Anyhow, funny to see all those Britons being trolled by El Diego... again.. :-)
Takes one to know one I guess. After all, it used to take poor old Think at least two sockpuppets for him to start a conversation.
Nov 12th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what is worse?
Replying to an obvious troll?
Or....
Talking to yourself in front or others?
THINK about it for a while, when someone replies to a troll or someone else's sockpuppet it is still more constructive than sitting there typing with one hand and playing with yourself with your other hand as you keep juggling logins to vainly try to make a point.
Caramba - so I am non Spanish speaking - well what can I say my British amigos
Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something that I was told from one of the guests at the ranch over the weekend....
I have it from a very high level source within the British establishment (you woudnt believe who this person is by the way)that there is no appetite for a long term occupation of Malvinas - the referendum itself is considered misguided at best by many of your own politicians and are building the consensus for an exit strategy involving a negotiated solution and joint development of the oil and mineral right s in the area. The islanders themselves would be generously compensated and that there patriotic attachment to the UK could be bought at a reasonable price.
- un abrazo
Caramba indeed Mr. El Diego...
Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What can you say...., you ask...
Well.... You could start translating your own text into Spanish....:
”I have it from a very high level source within the British establishment (you woudnt believe who this person is by the way)that there is no appetite for a long term occupation of Malvinas”
Shouldn't be so difficult for an Argie from las Ca?n?itas that plays polo in ?O?reco.....
Cordiales Saludos
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
si ustedes prefieren podemos continuar nuestro diálogo en español - esto no es un problema en absoluto. Como les decia yo tengo una fuente de alto nivel dentro de la clase dirigente británica (no van a creer a quien es esta persona) de que no hay apetito para una ocupación a largo plazo de las Malvinas
Nov 12th, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't doubt please my abilities in Spanish or English - I went to boarding school in Oxford and understand you better than you understand yourselves
(155) El Diego
Nov 12th, 2013 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not bad at all, Mr. Diego, but you are definitely NOT a native Spanish speaker…..
You just translated textually from English instead of using colloquial Spanish.
El Diego (# 155 ) “no van a creer a quien es esta persona” ... SERIOUS grammar mistake, Mr. Diego. “A” introduces an object but “quién” (which in this case is written with an accent as I have written it) is the subject - not the object -of the verb “es”.
Nov 13th, 2013 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, Mr, Diego: the missing accent can be excused (native speakers get them wrong all the time) but NO native speaker would use “a” in this sentence. I have lived in Spain and Argentina for 35 years and I run a postgraduate course at a Spanish-medium university.
Checkmate, I think, you sad little troll.
(157) rule_britannia
Nov 13th, 2013 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You missed the big one............., fessor.
He wrote (in English)...:
”... I have it from a very high level source within the British establishment ...... that there is no appetite...”
He translated (into Spanish)...:
“...yo tengo una fuente de alto nivel dentro de la clase dirigente británica ...... de que no hay apetito...”
He should (at worst) have written...:
“...yo sé, de una fuente de alto nivel dentro de la clase dirigente británica, ...... que no hay apetito...”
You see it now?
It's his Spanish that gives him away?
Nov 13th, 2013 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guys just read some of the nonsense he's written already. But he is fun.
I suppose when the UK gets tired from its “long term occupation” (after 180 years they still aren't tired), then the Falkland's could either find a country of which they could become a State in Free Associstion with New Zealand like the Cool Islands. Or perhaps a Self Governing Territory of Australia. That is if independence is not an option.
At no stage would becoming part of Argentina be an option. No matter what someone says. And honestly if you're blurting this around the internet it could hardly be a secret.
Very similar writing style to Hepatia.
Don’t worry boys....
Nov 13th, 2013 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0British MP visiting Buenos Aires and having meetings specially with SuperTimerman while talking about Malvinas...
Paving the road to see the way to return Malvinas to her legal owner Argentina perhaps?????
Dialogue has started but I didn't see any Islander there...
Just wonder why...
@160
Nov 13th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can stop wondering
“A group of visiting British MPs and Lords refused to organize a working group over the issue of Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty with their Argentine counterparts during a visit to Congress in Buenos Aires on Tuesday.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/11/13/falklands-malvinas-visiting-mps-refuse-to-organize-working-group-on-the-islands-sovereignty
#150
Nov 13th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0To anyone who knows about polo, they ride polo ponies, NOT horses.
My dear friends - you definitely have some traitors within your group actively seeking to Gina an elegant exit from the Malvinas mess and the embarrassing mess you have created for yourselves. Obama is not not happy with his little poodle and the North Koreanesque referendum - the Brazilians are piling the pressure on and some important people inside the Bristish establishment are very sympathetic. The US will no let you be a obstacle to trade with Latin America and the UK needs to open the trade doors there also or get further and further behind its competitors.
Nov 13th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed It was a topic of discussion at the ranch after we played a few chukkas llast Sunday and I can tell you this goes to the highest level inside your country including members of the British royal family........
@160 : Do Congressmen have the authority to make decisions on foreign policy ? No , didn't think so . Neither do British Members of Parliament .
Nov 13th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are merely there for a free jolly and so you can take them round ESMA and meet little old ladies with white hankies on their heads and they can all endlessly re-visit events of 40 years ago . At least one member of the group will want to go round the back of the Hipodromo late at night , but that will be an unofficial visit .
Britain's attitude to the Falklands is what it has always been , the Islands are strategically placed to enable the UK to keep an eye on events in the S Atlantic , S America and Antarctica . If there are big oil & gas strikes on the mainland , the Islands will be a platform to launch and capture those resources for the West before China can . The mineral and oil deposits offshore are a bonus that offset the cost of keeping this presence in the S Atlantic .
@158 I didn't read the rest of what he wrote but yes - that IS a howler. He struck me as bogus as soon as he started taking about Las Canitas ... obviously he has no Ñ on his keyboard.
Nov 13th, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0163 El Diego (#)
Nov 13th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think Obama cares one bit about the Falklands, your right though, he doesn't like the UK at all. Also remember that there are a large amount of American voters that are latino, so the usa will never back Britain publicly.
people like George Galloway support Argentina and I think alex salmond, but these are people with their political agendas, or course china will support Argentina too, where as Japan supports the UK, because they have their own agendas to back up.
I was surprised that Nobel joined the oil exploration in the Falklands, they must have had permission from the US authorities , who gave it is unclear to me.
The fact is that the world has much bigger issues than the falklands and doesn't really care, it doesn't buy the poor robbed Argentina line, Argentina are just trying their luck.
@ 148 El Diego
Nov 13th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You stated:
“The UN does not support the UK because it simply does not come out and say so - that's a fact. Twisting around some obscure legal discussions does not means the UN supports the UK and is just fantasy and lack of a real solid argument.”
The second sentence of that of that quote is really interesting because in 1977 Argentina misquoted/misrepresented paragraph 59 of the 1975 ICJ advisory opinion on the Western Sahara to the 'Special Committee'. To see exactly what they said refer to UN Document A/32/23/Rev1 pages 220-232. Then compare that with what paragraph 59 actually says, available here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6195.pdf
Now that 'obscure legal discussion' also states, in paragraph 54:
'The Charter of the United Nations, in Article 1, paragraph 2, indicates,
as one of the purposes of the United Nations: “To develop friendly relations
among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and
self-determination of peoples . . .” This purpose is further developed in
Articles 55 and 56 of the Charter. Those provisions have direct and particular relevance for non-self-governing territories, which are dealt with in Chapter XI of the Charter. As the Court stated in its Advisory Opinion of 21 June 1971 on The Legal Consequences for States of the Continued Presence of South Africa in Namibia (South West Africa) notwithstanding Security Council Resolution 276 (1 970) :
“. . . the subsequent development of international law in regard to
non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United
Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of
them” (I.C.J. Reports 1971, p. 31).'
Strange Argentina didn't mention paragraph 54 isn't it, but there again it is only an 'obscure legal discussion' except when Argentina does not want it to be?
#166
Nov 13th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you believe Mr. Salmond supports Argentina ?
I must have missed this.
“I can tell you this goes to the highest level inside your country including members of the British royal family......”
I can tell YOU the moon is made of green cheese but that does not make it true.
What kind of hallucinatory drug are you ingesting ?
hint hint - its a polo person
Nov 13th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Kitcheners will visit the ranch for asado and polo match on Sunday”.
Nov 13th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First, the name is Kirchner, not Kitchener (who was a British general); second, Mrs. Kirchner has been forbidden to travel anywhere by her doctors after having a subcraneal blood clot removed; third, her husband Mr. Kirchner is dead.
You really haven't a clue, have you?
yes we are fond of Cristina and wishing her a swift recovery and she called through that day to get an update on the chukka as her son was playing with us - it was a lovely day and the game was very close. We had some friends there from the British royal family who are also quite good at polo and an upcoming rider from Dubai - the are all in town for the championships in Palermo.
Nov 13th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Afterwards we discussed geopolitics and all agreed the British position was untenable and they would have to leave the islands as Latin America and North America were united in getting them to leave. Obama and Dilma are really quite annoyed with the poodle and behind the scenes Cameron has been told to get it sorted out one way or the other -
Let me know soon please if any of you want to join us in Palermo - I still have some rooms left with a great view
Tonight we have a barbecue on the terrace with some lovely prime Argentina steak and empanadas washed down by an outstanding malbec.........mmmmmm
wish you were all here
#171
Nov 13th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as her son was playing with us -
You would need a Clydesdale to carry him !
PMSL
Nov 13th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL, too. Her son's nickname among his friends is “El Gordo” (i.e. “Rolly-polly”).
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