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Spain says Madrid and London reached an agreement on Gibraltar
Spain and Britain have crafted a joint declaration on Gibraltar for presentation to the UN General Assembly, Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said Tuesday. The text calls for Madrid and London to reach a definitive solution to the status of the Rock, “listening to the interests and aspirations of Gibraltar that are coherent and legitimate in accord with international law,” Spain's top diplomat said. Read full article
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Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did Spain shoot itself in the foot AGAIN?
UN Fourth Committee produces convoluted draft ‘decision’ for Gibraltar talks
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=31355
The same old story
At least Gibraltar is close to Spain when they play the territorial integrity card, not 300 miles away from current Spain or 1000 miles away from where Spain was when the British arrived.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody would be pathetic enough to play territorial inegrity then surely...lol
@3 Monkeymagic
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0And I suppose the Kingdom of Castille did used to own Gibraltar, at least for about 5 minutes anyway. However, Gibraltar has never been a part of the Kingdom of Spain. A little fact that the Spanish seem to conveniently forget.
Nah! Don't believe a word of it. The UK is in no position to create a joint declaration or resolution without the agreement of Gibraltar. Margallo whatshisname just makes it up as he goes along. http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=31480
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this not just an agreement in the framework of how they intend to talk to each other? Or have I missed something?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain would never ever sell out Gibraltar. Gibraltar's future is firmly in their hands. Whatever clap trap Garcia-margello may think he has, the people have spoken as is their right. Britain has had sovereignty over Gibraltar around 75 years longer than the sovereign entity of the USA has existed. It has had sovereignty 110+ years longer than Argentina has existed as a country. If Spain wants to renege on the the Treaty of Utrecht, let them give back other territories we ceded to it in other treaties. No, this embarrassment of a minister is whistling in the wind.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is just the Spanish interpretation of the draft presented by the UN C24 decolonisation body (fourth committee).
Nov 06th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These are issued frequently, as with the Falklands, that suggest all involved meet and talk.
“The General Assembly, recalling its decision 67/530 of 18 December 2012: (a) Urges the Governments of Spain and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, while listening to the interests and aspirations of Gibraltar that are legitimate under international law, to reach, in the spirit of the Brussels Declaration of 27 November 1984, a definitive solution to the question of Gibraltar, in the light of the relevant resolutions of the General Assembly and applicable principles, and in the spirit of the Charter of the United Nations; (b) Takes note of the desire of the United Kingdom to continue with the trilateral Forum for Dialogue on Gibraltar; (c) Takes note of the position of Spain that the Forum does not exist any longer and should be replaced with a new mechanism for local cooperation in the interest of social well-being and regional economic development, in which the people of the Campo de Gibraltar and Gibraltar are represented; (d) Takes note of efforts made by both parties to resolve current problems and to engage in a flexible and responsive form of dialogue between all relevant and appropriate parties, on an informal ad hoc basis, in order to find common solutions and make progress on issues of mutual benefit.”
@6 Britworker
Nov 06th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is. The wording hasn't changed much, but you know these desperate politicains, they will say and do anything to try and make it look to the gullible voters that they are actually achieving something.
Some of the people will buy it, but I think the majority of the people know what this actually means - nothing.
It's a declaration that allows both parties to maintain their current position while defusing the situation. It's called diplomacy. cf Argentina, whose efforts are clearly designed to inflame a situation rather than clam it.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I found this interesting ICJ judgement the other day and is relevant to Spain trying to deny that Gibraltar has any territorial waters. Gibraltar was awarded territorial waters by the 1958 UN Convention of the Sea.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I found emanated from the ICJ judgement in respect of the Delimitation of the Marine Boundary in the Gulf of Main area - Canada/USA of 12th October 1984. Para 112 (i)
'No maritime delimitation between states with opposite or adjacent coasts may be effected unilaterally by one of those states. Such delimitation must be sought and effected by means of an agreement, following negotiations conducted in good faith and with genuine intention of achieving a positive result. Where, however, such agreement cannot be achieved, delimitation should be effected by recourse to a third party possessing the necessary competence.'
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/67/6369.pdf
Seems to me like both sides are talking down the rhetoric and going back to business as usual.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if Spain's timid exit from recession and the UK's Q3 annualized 5% growth have anything to do with it.
One could easily get the idea, that the Spanish people is more interested in a reduction of the 27 percent overall unemployment and the 55 percent youth unemployment than in whether Gibraltar is British, Spanish or, for that matter, Norwegian or Greek.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Now we have begun to put the toothpaste back in the tube.”
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like a little homily that our fabled president is prone to do, or as I say: WTF?
There is no helping these spicks, is there?
It’s not what you say-
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But how it is interpreted,
Sadly Spain imaging’s that every time the British say something, anything, it means giving Gibraltar to Spain,
We think they have been chewing the backy again.
Gibraltar is British by choice,.
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“Now we have begun to put the toothpaste back in the tube.”
Nov 07th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's why your teeth keep dropping out G-Margallo.
All blow, no bite.
ha ha.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice one pete.lol
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