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Argentina steps down from major air exercise in Brazil fearing repeat of flagship Libertad incident
Argentina admitted that it stepped down at last minute from participating in South America's largest military air exercise in Brazil, Cruzex 2013 to avoid any possible injunction situations as that experienced by the Navy's three mast frigate that ended retained in a port of Ghana. Read full article
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Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina to send troops or equipments overseas needs of a bill and the approval by Congress. We drafted the bill the whole year so that we can request authorization for a whole annual package, September to September and Cruzex was included” added the minister.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0For training? You need congressional approval for training? Give me a break! No wonder the RG military is such a feared power. Explains why the ships sick in dock and jets can't fly..........the military is managed with the same expertise as the economy.
I thought Brazil was their BBF.....why would they fear equipment being seized in SA? hahahahahahahahahahaha
Come on, argies, where's your sense of humour? So someone tried to take the only boat you have that can float. No need to be scared. Wait a minute, you were going to send a KC-130? You only have one! Could have crippled your entire “air force”. Hang on a minute, isn't most of your “air force” “grounded”? Might it be that those “Fightinhawks” would have been grounded the moment they arrived in Brazil?
Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no way Brazil would detain Argie assets. Brazil is Argie's closest ally and supports them on foreign policy. The real reason is their airforce it totally unairworthy.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rather than waste money on military toys the Ks have spend resources wisely on improving the nation's infrastructure, like, er...... for example the new, er ....
yeah this doesnt ring at all true... if Brazil are their best buddies why on earth would they be worried about seizures?
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, either Brazil aren't their best buddies, or their air force is so desperately short of everything from fuel to parts to pilots, that its totally un-airworthy.
hmm..
yeah, probably both now I think about it.
You know things are bad when admitting you are scared of impoundment is seen as a more palatable excuse than the truth
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think faced between saying you grossly neglected national defense versus saying you are concerned over confiscation....they choose confiscation as an excuse.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes no sense. Fighter jets are clearly military assets so would be exempt from seizure under any jurisdiction. The Libertard was only detained because it could be argued it wasn't.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect others are correct - they would have made fools of themselves through lack of airworthiness and lack of training. If your airforce is rubbish it's better to keep it a secret or it loses any deterrent value. Uruguay might consider invading!!
Argieland should speak to their Iranian chums for a little assistance with this problem.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2277412/Fake-stealth-plane-Irans-Photoshopped-fighter-jet-spotted-air.html
Since when did anyone other than CFK (i.e. Congress) make any decisions anyway. Am assuming it didn't get to the top of her pile quick enough, and was stuck behind “neck saving”, “anti-uruguay strop” and Gucci.com on the priority list.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Nov 07th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your obsession with military weaponry is frightening. This applies to all of you. That is the only thing most of you here think about, weapons and how and when you can use them.
You are ill, warped societies.
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Nov 07th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby if not for the USA and UK weapons you'd be speaking German or Russian.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are ill, warped societies.”
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troll, remind me who was it who brought napalm bombs along with thousands of landmines to the peaceful Falkland Islands.
Oh and that sound like militarization to me.
And the article is about a military exercise. So discussing military matters is rather appropriate.
Of course we actually have a military worth talking about. they are not perfect but far superior to anything the Argies have.
Of course you could comment of the PRC warship that visited Arieland recently. You know the one equipped with Nuclear weapons.
Surely that should has caused uproar...
So take your best shot. Though possibly the wrong vowel.
@13
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure. Can I laugh on the floor for 6 minutes now?
@15 You certainly need to laugh.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not concern yourself about my risible parameters or levels of cachinnations.
@14
Argentine society no longer believes in having a military. I find it sickening and complete confirmation of how debauched and degenerate your societies are that you make fun of countries dismantling their military and weapons. Further,, you people don't talk about military and weapons just in this topic, you do it ALL THE TIME, in all topics.
You are violent, bloodthirsty, deviant, and tribal societies. Those are the facts based on your commentary here and your actions the last 500 years.
@17
Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talking to yourself now? ; )
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Nov 07th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not dismantling it's air force, its falling apart!!
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ROFLMFAO
@17
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet you still have a military. Cast your mind back a year or so to the impounding of the AR Libertad and the sentimental outrage that accompanied the whole sage. It's not pacifism that has kept your military relatively weak, it's because your country cannot trust itself not to act on it's worst instincts. Plus you can't afford any expensive new toys.
As your rest of your comment - it's been demonstrated time and again to you just how violent your country really is, and whenever you are presented with irrefutable evidence of such you either change the subject or disappear to consult your dictionary. Or sulk.
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Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Quote “ You are violent, bloodthirsty, deviant, and tribal societies ”
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes , but what's your point ?
@ 8 Idlehands
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you been intercepting my TOP SECRET emails, the one ordering 100 Eurofighters for Uruguay?
I demand an answer before I conclude the contract with Airfix!
Argie Military: the gift that keeps on giving (us all stitch through laughing too much).
@21
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina ever bought military equipment, I would be the first on the street rioting. I will not let my tax money go to enemies of this country. And more fundameentally, into military. That's for countries with penis envy and who only feel “self-confidence” by parading some aircraft or boat. Quite pathetic mindset for the 21st century. That however I expect from backwards countries still clinging to cave-men mentalities.
The rest of your comment is drivel. The UK is thousands of times more violent and bloody than Argentina. Or do we need to put both histories and count the dead?
@20
The reason being it would not be wise to just “dismantle” immediately, and have tens of thousands without jobs. Attrition. Just let the military slowly die and not hire or train any new staff.
We really seemed to have touched a nerve on this one.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I see my questions about the napalm and landmines the Argies deployed to the peaceful Falkland Islands
and the Nuclear Armed warship the Argies recently hosted
have been completely ignored.
However two “truthful” posts have been removed by the editor.
Given the rubbish he has been writing I can only imagine what is so bad for editorial removal.
Time to start annexing - one small piece at a time.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason Argentina 'cant' take part in this exercise is because you cannot afford it and you are afraid to suffer the embarassment of the aircraft not being airworthy. Instead of pretensions of land grabbing and insular trade policies, your country should be taking a long hard look at itself.
@25
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? You're gainfully employed? A taxpayer? Good for you. Your govt. just purchased 170million euros worth of Mirage F1's. Time to don your Anonymous mask and do some dancing in the street.
The rest of comment contains your trademark hyperbole. Plus got your tenses wrong. And even if you stated “...the U.K. HAS BEEN thousands of times more bloody and violent than Argentina”, you would still be wrong.
That's funny hearing tobi the titti tot saying he would be the first rioting in the streets of Argentina.....you have to be there to do it. Why do you all encourage this out of touch with Argentina RG wannabe to continue with his meaningless diatribes? He has no idea what is going on in Argentina....at all!
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a shame that our neighbor could not come and join us.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On any such joint-training exercise, abundant fuel is provided by the host country. I am sure that our neighbor had other reasons for not attending at the last minute, than stated by MD Rossi.
As Condorito wisely points out, we would not have allowed any such nonsense to occur similar to that of the frigate Libertad. Argentina may try our patience now and then, but she is our neighbor.
@31 BOTINHO
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you state “...we would not have allowed any such nonsense to occur similar to that of the frigate Libertad.”, does that mean that the vulture funds would have no case under Brazilian law ( or for that matter Chilean law )?
Although I can't imagine even NML having the chutzpah to try it anywhere on the South American continent. It would be amusing to see them try though.
Truth is, they do not want to risk being embarrassed.
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Nov 07th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Nov 07th, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comon Conc say it as you really mean it.
I guess I have been on the streets *protesting* - rather than rioting - massively more so than TTT.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You not only have to be there, but you have to be prepared to put your body on the line.
From the Vietnam war to the Mensalao, I have done the street thing and have come through unscathed ... even when - unintentionally! - being caught up at Orgreave!
This is the English way; less successful but less 'heady' than the French Revolution.
@25 : “The UK is thousands of times more violent and bloody than Argentina”.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes , of course it is , that's why 5000 British ground troops were able to defeat 18,000 Argentine troops in 1982 and why you shouldn't f*ck with us now.
@36 : Lets show the Argies what a real fisticuffs looks like : Orgreave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsRmDLD089M
TTT: In the 70's Britain was like Argentina , strikes , pickets , violence you name it . Not anymore .
@31
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeh, dead right they have other reasons, the main one being their credit card is maxed out and their transport failed it's MOT!
Casper -
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The legal argument is between Argentina and the USA, and being judged in the US courts. Until a decision is finally rendered, any request by NML for property confiscation would be denied here.
I cannot comment on the legality of Chilean law, but with the NML case in Ghana later falling apart with the Libertad finally being released, I would doubt that any country in Latin America would even want to hear such an argument. Not worth a moment's gossip.
All Hail!!!!!!!!
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the newly formed “argentine defence force” or adf. ready at a moments notice to repel any and all invaders ( just as long as they don't have to chase them beyond their own borders ).
Falkland Islanders rejoice!!!! If there any attempt by argentina to invade, just stand on the beaches and wave injunctions at them!!!
Then just sit back and watch the cowards turn tail and run!!!
Botinho
Nov 07th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't Brazil have separation of powers between the judicial and legislative?
If it does, it doesn't matter what you or your government wants as long as anyone seeking Argentine assets acts within either Brazilian law or within international treaties signed by Brazil.
Well,
Nov 07th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They could always put their military under another nations flag..lol
At least it wont get confiscated lolol..
@25 better start rioting then Rgenweener have just bought a load of Mirages from Spain. You won't riot though will you as you'd be arrested for it, the Canadian police don't take kindly to rioters
Nov 07th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oi Anglotino -
Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes there is a separation between our judiciary and the legislative.
However, the judiciary can be somewhat independent, as can our elected officials, to the point of disagreements with Interpol, for example.
On the subject of anyone seeking assets of another country, you are quite correct. It does not matter what I, or others think.
No one can just arrive at GRU and slap a court order down on the desk barking orders, and snapping fingers. That type of disrespect has earned some a week as a guest of our Federal Police, culminating in a swift return one-way ticket and passport stamped “ Persona Non Grata. ”
It is up to individual case review and the decision of our judiciary, which in most cases is a cautiously slow process.
@25
Nov 07th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If Argentina ever bought military equipment, I would be the first on the street rioting.”
You're nearly as funny as Timerman.
Hope you are standing for election to be the next Argentine presidemt.
It was reported about a year ago that Argentina's attack air force consisted of only 6 remaining airworthy Skyhawks. If this report was accurate them maybe today there are even less and that's perhaps why the Argentines dropped out. Certainly it wasn't because they feared the repo guy.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose with such a small defense budget and a nuclear submarine on the horizon there's no money for the air defense of the nation.
Argentina is sitting on reserves half the size of Saudi Arabia’s ones and next door a neighbor ever growing and succesful that is a candidate for replacing us in the G-20 and energy dependent from abroad…. And we don’t have an air force. That, together with the advance of drug-trafficking cartels in the whole country are the most serious and alarming threats the country has, but all the focus is in the useless islands and some chunks of ice that no one ever is going to exploit nor is interested in, and of course the REAL DEFENSE BUDGET is only spent on spying internally. The society is not even aware of the real threats it’s facing. Indeed this is alarming
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0A State that cannot provide minimal security levels internally or from external players is a failed State
@47
Nov 08th, 2013 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do we need an airforce? Start by answering that please.
@48
Nov 08th, 2013 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you ask your Defence Minister Augustin Rossi? He's the one who announced the purchase.
p.s. How's your rioting going?
B.t.w. there's an excellent Sly and The Family Stone song called 'There's a Riot Going On'. The track is timed as 0.00. The perfect soundtrack for your brave and principled stand.
@48 : If you read CD's post you would see why . To defend yourselves , silly .
Nov 08th, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is sitting on potentially the the third biggest shale gas deposits in the world .
Once YPF/Chevron /Bridas strike oil and gas in Vaca Muerta , the whole world , including us English pirates will be invading you for the oil and gas .
As it is , with the Chinese navy making courtesy calls every other week nowadays , WWIII could be fought in Patagonia ( hence the reason the West needs the Falkland Islands as an airbase ) .
You are violent, bloodthirsty, deviant, and tribal societies. Those are the facts based on your commentary here and your actions the last 500 years.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont forget that fact, the flaklands is our precious yes it is and we will defend it
#48
Nov 08th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Si vis pacem, para bellum”
@52 : All he wants is state handouts and free asados , like about 60% of the population ( and not just of Argentina either )
Nov 08th, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Actually he's Canadian...I don’t know how much he knows of Argentina, he doesn't speak in Argentine slang either you can tell by the way he writes. He studied languages in some Canadian academy so he is very formal and structured Spanish he has.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He will not have problems with a Latin phrase
Mass illegal immigration is also a security problem which is linked to drug-trafficking. There is no point in investing in public health and education when you are giving away passports for nothing to Paraguayans, Bolivians and Peruvians to settle in the shanty towns for a vote
Nearly fell off ma bar stool when I saw this headline.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMFAO!!!!!!!!
There's more military power in one typhoon based in the Falklands than the entire Argentine military.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder the Argies were upselt when HMS Dauntless appeared.
@54
Nov 08th, 2013 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you have also descended into making unprovable assumptions about others when your power of conviction and cogent persuasion is rendered nugatory. How disappointing.
#50, 52
You both need a humble lesson in elementary common sense.
Would you buy a beautiful 100.000 Porsche Carrera, convertible, loaded with all the add-on... but WITHOUT a motor????
Would you buy a 20.000 Fiat, basic features, but able to get you from A to B, without the four tires?
Would you spend 10.000 on a treatment for your cancer illness that extends your life not 2-3 years, but 48 hours?
Think about the examples above. There is only one answer possible ouf of two for all three. One of the wrong answers is “yes”. The other, to give a hint, starts with the letter “n” and ends in “o”.
If you responded and got “yes” to any of them, you need to see a specialist.
If you responded “no” to all, then you now understand that it is a waste and utterly pointless to spend billions on a military that is about as useful as speding 50.000 keeping yourself warm in winter... by burning Agarwood.
Ratiotinate, cerebrate, rumimate, deliberate, adjudicate.
@ 25 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 08th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Far better your “tax money” goes into some Kirchnerite Swiss bank account, or properties in Uruguay and Miami.
@ 57 The Truth PaTroll
The defence industry in the UK is a big employer and exporter, a big earner.
At some point in the not too distant future, if things continue on as they are, you’ll be burning anything you can get your hands on to keep warm in winter in Argentina.
You won’t have dollar to pay for gas, that much is certain.
@58
Nov 08th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no tentative idea how anything you typed has to do with my presentation @57.
Wrong analogy….Argentina doesn’t have the 10.000 Porsche’s with no engine, nor the 200.000 Fiats, so it’s unable to go from A to B
Nov 08th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1635764-las-vias-que-nos-llevan-a-ser-un-pais-narco
This are Argentina’s real and urgent problems, these criminals are the real enemy of Argentina, and you are just selling smoke from Canada and know shit about anything
And just to make it easier for the cartels , Crissy passed the tax amnesty laws encouraging them bring their profits back in and launder them .
Nov 08th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Nacion article makes no mention of the frightening quantities and quality of weapons these people have .
#61 I think that, just like happened in Mexico the advance of the drug Cartels is very silent and discrete when they penetrate the local authorities and establish their influence upon politicians, judges, intelligence services and security and policing forces and gendarmerie, so when the cartels start fighting amongst themselves for the control of the routes and markets everything will become a blood bath very fast. It might be too late by then
Nov 08th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 057..
Nov 08th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Starts with the letter “n” and ends in “o”.==Nero..lol
Sorry
Couldn’t resist it,
the real reason behind the Argentine desision,
may never truly be known..
@62 CD
Nov 08th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite correct in most of what you say. The alliance of convenience between the K-mafia and the narcos is the biggest threat to our society today. Common acceptance of police corruption makes it too easy for the cartels to take root deep in national institutions.
Someone living in Mendoza would be aware of that:
http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/11/8/iglesia-pidio-tomar-medidas-urgentes-contra-narcotrafico-749099.asp
Someone living in Mendoza in denial is a fool.
Impostor, the drug cartels CONTROL the United States far more than they control Argentina.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still am waiting for a response from someone, anyone, as to why Argentina must spend billions in an air force, or navy for that matter, that would be good for nothing.
I agree liar, the drug wars have the US by the balls with regards foreign policy.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for you second point; well as long as you have no intention of taking the Falklands by force then don't bother.
However you yourself have stated that everyone is out to get Argentina so maybe it would be prudent for Argentina yo re-evaluate national defence, have you ever considered running for President?
Of course I believe everyone is out to get us. However a modicum of international self-respect restrains countries from doing so, because they would be ostracized and probably face huge economic sanctions, if the UK just decided to invade us for example.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I am also intelligent enough to realize, and I've said this many a time before, that our military would be useless against another army simply because most countries that would attack are far more populous than us, thus have automatically larger GDPs. Smaller countries around us woudn't invade us because they would not be able to hold the country.
Thus, if a military force would be useless against a larger enemy, and a smaller enemy just won't invade, then I see no point is sending billions down the drain in a useless institution.
#59 Look at the juicy one that came out today, this one touches some nerves above…
Nov 08th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.urgente24.com/220683-zacarias-la-linea-blanca-en-la-ruta-del-dinero-k
#65 The only imposter here is Canadian you… Why should anyone respond to you further than we have already??? You are a fool, who knows fuck all apart from useless languages…
@67 Troll PaTroll
Nov 09th, 2013 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you filling up on water?
As for your air force question there are many reasons, but I will give you one relevant to arguments you have made on this site previously. You have previously claimed that a large wedge of Antarctica belongs to Argentina. Argentina's claim is weakened and will be further weakened by the inability to project power over the claimed territory.
What you can't hold you can't keep.
You might not be able to foresee the circumstances of a future conflict, but the sparks that ignite military confrontation are seldom foreseen.
Pathetic talking to yourself. We all like you better as brassie.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@68
Nov 09th, 2013 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad to know the useless knowledge that I know. My life is 10000 richer than yours will ever be, my monolingual friend (think of monolingual as the mental version of physically handicapped). Missing two legs and an arm, basically, but cerebrally.
@69
OOOOHHH.... But I thought your morally immaculate, rule of law flawlesss, intellectually sublime, and racially superior nations of the north RESPECTED other people's land. So now you, and I appreciate this frankness of which all your other recreant northern compratriots show a sordid paucity, admit that if Europe, the USA, and the others see Argentina as sufficiently weak, you will steal from us, and subjugate us.
So in effect, you are the devious societies I have always claimed you are, and most of you have so weakly denied.
“What you can't hold you can't keep”
That says it all right there. Europe never has changed its spots. I rest my case.
71) Sure your languages are very useful here. It prevents you from getting OWNED by everybody…
Nov 09th, 2013 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You still have not answered how Argentina investing in an airforce would prevent Brazil, China, the USA, the UK, Germany, Italy, France, India, etc, etc, etc, from invading us if they wanted to.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or would that mean giving me the baton of reason. Because we would have to invest tens of billions, if not a hundred billion, to have an airforce capable of deterring those nations.
Since we can't do that, anything under that is a waste of money. Again, if you don't have 20.000 for a new car, would you spend 15.000 for a new car that has no steering wheel and is missing the fuel tank?
That's what our airforce would be, 15.000 wasted in something that can't ever work.
@73 Tobias
Nov 09th, 2013 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Urban Dictionary defines a Troll in these terms: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
You have better manners than most, but the definition fits you like a glove. Your arguments have no substance because you don't have the courage of your convictions. You're never going to march on La Casa Rosada to protest the purchase of those Mirage's are you?
Your comments, therefore, are simply a form of auto-eroticism. The real underlying issue is: what are you so angry about?
You know, the one time I actually keep to the topic, and have tried HARD to keep the threat on-topic, and what do you muppets do? CHANGE the subject, to be about ME!!
Nov 09th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same people that have bewailed my topic changing. Now none of you have kept to topic, the military especifically the air force.
Never disappointed by Euro intellectual fickleness.
He's angry because his parents chose Argentina when they emigrated and not a rich functioning country.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0And now he is trapped by his parent's decision and can't escape from Mendoza let alone Argentina.
@75 Tobias
Nov 09th, 2013 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually the subject of this article is Argentina's absence from a military exercise in Brazil. None of your posts have addressed that specific issue. You screwed up when you claimed you would be the first in the street rioting if Argentina ever bought military equipment. It's really not your style is it?
And when challenged you studiously ignored all your interlocutors.
The subtext of ALL your posts for some time now is what you are upset about. Which is why your last post is so refreshing. Real feelings instead of this lofty pseudo-intellectual finger-pointing judgemental persona you've contrived to conceal the reality that your feelings have been hurt.
You're much more engaging and interesting when you're honest. There is hope for you yet Grasshopper.
Tobias
Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The question you pose is an interesting one (for a change)
Why does Argentina need a military?
Firstly, the most common use of a military nowadays is as some part of a UN Security Council peace-keeping force. Argentina has shown through actions that it couldn't care tuppence that a dictator might be gassing his own people, or that a genocide might be occurring somewhere in the world. So, there is certainly no need for an Argentine military there.
The second would be to attack someone, although Argentina is clearly colonialist, history tells us that unless the enemy is scarcely armed Amerindians that can be slaughtered in their tens of thousands, Argentinas troops are useless. They couldn't even take and hold the Falklands against an enemy with supply lines of thousands of miles. Argentina coverts Uruguay, Chile and Paraguay too but is impotent to do anything.
Would anyone attack Argentina? Clearly not. the UNSC would resolve to defend Argentina even when the country doesn't deserve it. Recovery of the billions Argentina owes the rest of the world would be reason enough, but it will never happen.
Finally, is a military required for internal peacekeeping, the 1970s showed us that the Argentine people need protecting FROM their military not BY their military.
So, you are correct...Argentina should disband its entire military and NEVER reform it. For its own good...it is like a child playing with razor blades.
'Would anyone attack Argentina? Clearly not.'
Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Monkey #78
but, sure as hell, I'd hit them back hard if they came for me.
They do need military of some small sort to defend themselves, eg if Paraguay decided to play a second half.
Unlikely, but none of us can ever tell when war-games will enter the mind-set of our neighbours.
But Paraguay would do a far better job at running Argentina...it is in Argentinas interest to let them invade....with the exception of possibly Mugabe and Kim Jong UN, nobody is doing a worse job than CFk.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobi Titti Tot....riot in the streets huh? What do you suppose is in the 32 procurement programs with China in the 2014 defense budget?
Nov 09th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.readdailynews.com/news-5603913-Argentina-Open-2014-defense-budget-purposes-including-restarting-the-submarine-plant.html
Where will you be rioting at? Mendoza where you pretend to live?
”Argentine Navy plans to restart 'Santa Cruz' class (TR 1700) submarine shipyard construction and production of new patrol boats and auxiliary vessels. Argentine Air Force plans signed with Spain under $ 90 million contract, the use of 16 hand up Search 'Phantom' F1M aircraft to replace its Dassault 'Mirage' III fleet, as well as Argentina's national UAV under re-development of the 'Argentine UAV systems.' (Tian Han)“
I think we ALL will be waiting for your words to come to fruition.........
”25 The Truth PaTroll (#)
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:15 pm
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”If Argentina ever bought military equipment, I would be the first on the street rioting. I will not let my tax money go to enemies of this country. And more fundameentally(sic), into military. That's for countries with penis envy and who only feel “self-confidence” by parading some aircraft or boat. Quite pathetic mindset for the 21st century. That however I expect from backwards countries still clinging to cave-men mentalities.”
Rather than penis envy, would this not be clit envy? But then, maybe asslips kirchner does envy some penis now and then?
I am loving the hatred towards Argentina shown by the cheap attempts at humiliation seen in most of the last responses.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#82
Nov 09th, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Si vis pacem, para bellum”
@83
Nov 09th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you plan to ward off an invasion by China, the USA, the larger EU nations, India, Brazil.
Tell me, HOW? I am still waiting for you to tell me how, with the financial budget available, can you build a military capable of deterring the enemies. That's what YOU said we needed a military for.
So please, I'm all eyes.
Save for the case you mentioned of Brazil, that might be analyed in future, Im talking about REAL and substantial threats the country has, not something that is not going to happen.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile right next Vaca Muerta and the advance of drug trafficking cartels in the whole country, we desperately need security forces to strengthen our defenses.
Hahahaha under your analogy if a rich guy on the street rides a Porsche and wears clothing like say Guchi, Levis, Calvin Klein, Addidas or whatever hush hush clothing’s are nowadays you are going to walk naked on the street because you can’t afford to buy a car that can rival his nor dress up as fancy as he can
@85
Nov 09th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gotcha. Twice.
Gotcha #1: In military science, the one thing you are told to NEVER do is? Say “it's not going to happen”.
You have had Brits here admit openly that we SHOULD be invaded. Do you thnk they are actually joking? These are not nice people you are dealing with here. Many have true grudges or were or know Falkland's veterans. The governments of Europe are full of extremists that want a return of Empire building.
You are the naive one here, not me.
Gotcha number #2: “we need a military to fight the drug cartels”.
You can't be that naive, you simply must be utterly clueless (that is not an insult, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you are so productive you can't read books or watch current event shows).
Tell me, how has the whole using the military to fight drug cartels worked out in Mexico? Colombia? Peru? Afghanistan? United States? They are either hellholes of violence, or they are countries totally under the control of drug taffickers (USA for example). Last time I checked, one can get ANY drug they want in North America. And they have spent hundreds of billions trying to “fight them off”.
And you want to use the military for a COMPLETELY DISPROVEN strategy?
Oh boy, I hope you are not the next president.
Toby
Nov 09th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the governments of Europe are full of extremists that want to return to empire building”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...you fucking loon.
Name one example of a European country gaining an Empire since 1945 and I'll give you 100 of them peacefully walking away from one.
You are a penis mate....a fruitcake.
If we were going to invade Argentina we would have done it in 1982. Had the roles been reversed I have no doubt Argentina would have.
Nobody outside of Latam is going to invade Argentina. The only ones who might are those will historic grudges over land Argentina has grabbed...Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Brazil....
And as they haven't yet, it is unlikely they are going to, and with or without an Argentine military, we'd probably come and help you...and then be abused for it.
Stop Making such a penis of yourself
1)It does it matter what Brits in MercoPress say?? Most of them hate Argentina but they are not decision makers… If you consider what the UK has in place in the islands it’s clearly a defensive conception they have, if there were plans of invading Patagonia you will see military deep ports, much more ships and heavy cargo transport planes, more barracks fielding up to 20.000 troops on the islands, more air fields, etc. I don’t know for sure but RAF Mt Pleasant isn’t even close to any of that as a whole.
Nov 09th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peoples in those countries will never accept another foreign invasion in a long time, they have a deep distrust in their political class after the Iraq experience, and they are becoming paper tigers very fast do to mass immigration and political correctness.
2)The US is not under the mass advance of the Cartels because they are a market, not a route in itself; the Mexican Cartels know damn well that if they take their violence to the US, the American public opinion is going to be alarmed. When the US leadership is going to be forced to take action beyond its borders because it will have to defend itself from external threats and will have to take an active involvement in Mexico (as I believe it will end up doing… either the Mexicans ask them to do so or the US is obliged to defend itself )
Don’t forget that despite all the gang macho culture they portrait, the Mexicans are just the same indian and Aztec cowards that half a millennium ago, 5 million of them where submitted to only 500 Spaniards. They voted in Peña Nieto to sweep under the carpet the war that Calderon inaugurated (rightly so), but it’s too late for them, they are mostly to blame, and if we don’t learn about their mistakes we will face the same bloodbath
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Nov 09th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Immigration to UK:
Poles...........0.5M..........31 Jan '13
Muslims......2.7M..........End '11
Romanians..0.6M........Est Oct '13
Bulgarians...0.7M*.......Est '11
Total............4.5M
*could be many more. UK Immigration admit not knowing the real number.
TOTAL population of UK as of Oct '13 = 63M
% of immigrants = 7.17%
A good many countries have called Britain a “Paper Tiger” but none of them have tried to set fire to it, I wonder why?
The last episode tried by your country ended in complete humiliation for you.
NEVER underestimate what the armed forces of the UK are capable of.
I agree with you that the real threat comes from within your own borders and totally agree with your final paragraph.
89) ChrisR
Nov 09th, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was refering to “paper tigers” in a general concept to the EU powers that TTP mentioned, of course Britain included.
You are adding up numbers which are already growing at very fast rates while the natives have a negative birth rate. Plus you are forgetting East Asians, Hindus and Pakistanis, and blacks from Caribbean countries to African countries already in the population and growing in percentages.
Already you are a multicultural society. The UK is in a place of no return by now, no real identity nor real national conciseness. Plus you have the Scots standing on the fence trying to get the best deal they possibly can…
I think the Muslims have grown in number 75 % since 2001, I can’t remember well I talked this over with Redrow and LEPRecon
I have a deep respect for British armed forces and the professionalism they have, but this is beyond the question at hand, you have shot yourselves in the foot.
And you have retarded politically correct ideology and laws holding together the society at uneven relations within itself, history proves that multicultural/ multinational societies only functioned when there is a good economical aspect and a structured and complex state holding them together.
I don’t think the UK has a bright future at all it seems to be a real mess, and I seriously doubt it can use any of its military assets to project its power globally
[ Do we still need a navy ]
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Lol cabeza
Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is in a right mess....PMSL...from an Argie
All things are relative I suppose and Gordon Brown did his best to blow the countries pot of gold, but which aspect of Britain is “in a right mess”?
Compared to whom?
Our Economy
our Health Service
our education system
our Universities
Our R&D
Our large multinationals
our financial centre
our media and sports
Our military
Our crime rates
Can't see anything there that isn't far superior to pretty much anything in Latam, and on a par with the best in the world in many of them too.
We have plenty of national identity thank you for your concern, we have a rich and proud history from Shakespeare to Brunel, from Newton to Faraday, from Nelson to Wilberforce.
We are proud of our links with the commonwealth and that many of our former colonies are represented in our population.
The multicultural picture you misunderstand completely. There are indeed parts of our major cities where the number of immigrants exceeds 50%, but the vast areas of Britain, immigrant levels are less than 2%.
Sadly, as your country men did in 1982 and others before them at great cost, you underestimate and mosrepresent Britain...perhaps there would be a job for you at the Guardian...but certainly the country you depict is nothing like the one I live in.
It’s sad and pathetic the denial you are in … Money and rankings is that what a country s to be about??
Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes from an “Argie”… You know why??? Because if any of your country men in Britain said what I say in public or in the media he/she would be scrutinized and chased by the PC fascists lawyers and media tycoons that govern the mindset of the country… The guardian?? ha!!! You cant be more mistaken...
All you mention counts for nothing if you don’t have no children and it’s the foreigners children are going to take control of all of that and inherit it???
You must understand history and demographics.
None of the foreigners will identify with your forefathers and ideals, they have the hearts in India, Jamaica, Africa, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Romania, Egypt, Nigeria etc and they worship Allah, Hari Krishna, or other Gods. They have different mindsets, different values, different cultures which with modern technology they can keep at much closer links with their country of origin, they don’t have a need to melt in and emerge into a new society like what happened in the American nations a century ago. They just have to construct their conclave in your country and grow from it.
For a nation to be itself it needs identity, culture and values to exist in the first place, not even to mention a common race or genetical component that is already in a extinction path, ergo it needs people who call themselves “British” with pride and thats what you will run out of soon.
As when I’m old I’m sure there will always be a country that I can call home and identify with. You are going to die sometime soon and Britain will be a very different one to which you were born to,
Its what your generation decided to give the country away when you didn't have a right to do so im afraid, and I know many of your people will agree with me in silence
What complete shit....
Nov 09th, 2013 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Racial purity eh Cabeza...lol
Seems not the guardian but the BNP would have a place for you.
As for Britains children, there are plenty thanks for your concern, and plenty of the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are very proud to be British.
Did you miss the Olympics
Mo Farah, Jess Ennos, Andy Murray, Christ Hoy, kath Granger, Nicola Adams,
All Beitish, which of the categories of not fitting in are they??
muppet
Hahaha you are in denial...The numbers are obvious as it is also obvious by now multiculturalism has failed in Europe, that’s why Marinne Le Pen, Gert Wilders, UKIP are rising in Europe, not neo-Nazi’s like BNP (only in Greece and Russia this is the case)
Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have related news absolutely every day , just have to check the tabloids and news and most importantely the comment section, as of course you will not accept your gilt nor responsibility, but young British people who have trouble getting work get it.
This is the same problem Yugoslavia, USSR, the late Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire and now Syria is facing… Multiculturalism and multinationalism doesn’t work on the long term, historically it never has, it only works for some time when you have a dictatorial State and a good economical environment that keeps things together, once you lose these factors, you are bound to have problems and the whole thing falls apart.
It simple as this….
You don’t reach the 2.1 fertility rate, and the immigrant communities are growing, who if analyzed independently have more positive birth rates against your native ones
And all the evidence you have is “athletes” who are paid to compete WTF (??) Ohhh and of course accuse me of being a racist LOL. I don’t know if you are brainwashed or you are in denial here, either way you screwed up in your life time..
Australia has 25% of its population born overseas and 50% were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.
Nov 10th, 2013 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So multiculturalism can work.
Is it perfect? No!
Is there still racism? Yes!
And yet there isn't a single country on this planet that doesn't have those problems.
“None of the foreigners will identify with your forefathers and ideals, they have the hearts in India, Jamaica, Africa, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Romania, Egypt, Nigeria etc and they worship Allah, Hari Krishna, or other Gods. They have different mindsets, different values, different cultures which with modern technology they can keep at much closer links with their country of origin, they don’t have a need to melt in and emerge into a new society like what happened in the American nations a century ago. They just have to construct their conclave in your country and grow from it. ”
What a complete and utter load of toss. You have no idea what you are talking about. Cultural affinities weaken with every generation and that is a proven fact. Immigrants try to recreate their homeland. Their children can sometimes speak the language but not fluently. And their children usually can't. Extremely common occurrence here. Added to the fact that marriages are usually outside their community by the second generation and the assimilation is complete.
I live with two Colombians, best friend has Greek parents, step mother was born in England and my ex was born in Chile. My boss's parents were born in Italy. My landlord was born in Malta. My Spanish teacher at uni born in France. My design tutor is New Zealander. My local baker born in Vietnam. I get served by a Sudanese born guy at my supermarket. I work with a guy whose parents are from Hungary. A buddy from uni is half Italian half Finish and yet you'd never know.
You have no idea about multiculturalism other than what you Google and it's pathetic.
PMSL.....I have being backpacking too, I’ve being told stuff by Dutch, British, French and German backpackers. So what is the problem with Google as long as it is the truth and fact??
Nov 10th, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will say Australia is different, its going through the same stage Argentina, Brazil, US, had gone a century ago, when these countries were scarcely populated, what was it 20 years 10 million people for 8 million square km?? It has enjoyed a remarkable growth and development all along since the 1970s or so.
It’s a completely different matter when you have a consolidated culture and society like the European ones have and little room left.
“German Multiculturalism has utterly failed”
Angela Merkel
(.....Or it happens to be Google lies and Merkel never said so??)
PS: I forgot to mention the USSR had many excellent athletes too, the Yugoslavs and Czechoslovaks had brilliant basquet ball and football teams at different times and all of the nations sportsmen used the same clothing and cheered the same flag. Now it didn’t make any difference, did it??
Your are a bunch of brainwashed politically correct idiots the lot of you....
Oh dear Cabeza, you are a little confused aren't you deary....lol
Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the Irish in New York...first allegiance to Ireland or USA
The polish in Chicago
The French in Montreal
The British in New England
The Spanish in New Mexico
The Kenyan via Hawaii in the White House
All seem perfectly happy to be American to me.
The examples you give a “super states” breaking up into their previous boundary lines. I can think of very few examples where an immigrant population has become in any way a dominant party (perhaps Israel) and then only because the immigrant population was an entirely unified single cultural group.
You are a joke mate, I used the sports person analogy because they are famous, and can be related to, but the examples of where 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation immigrants have total allegiance to the new countries are everywhere in all walks of life.
This pure blood nonsense is from Harry Potter and I'd have expected better.
So tell me, what do mixed race people (including my children) feel allegiance to in your pure-blood/muggle fantasy.
It's not perfect and a tiny minority of immigrants never leave their old communites, never become British...a handful.
So tell me, one example where in the modern world immigration has changed the majority of a country, so that the government is no longer representative of the indigenous people.
Even London, probably the most ethnic diverse city on the planet, democratically elected an old Etonian as Mayor. But of course in your mind Boris Johnson is actually allied to Russia...and his children Spain.
What a load of cobblers...
@ 97 CabezaDura
Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Blair was wrong to encourage multiculturalism because by definition you end up with all the immigrants’ cultures ensconced within your own country with all the mistrust and hatred from both sides.
BUT, the young people of immigrants, especially the females, realise early on that they are trapped in a failing ethnicity that is no longer relevant to their future. This is why there are so many “honour” killings and runaways attempting to forge a life for themselves.
What is troubling is the failure of the Muslim Council Of Great Britain (a self-appointed busy-bodies outfit now recognised by UK government) to condemn the bombings and shootings carried out by their young Muslim men who are completely out of control.
I am not a racist and if all the different ethnicities melded together why would it matter, it was always thus in England. What I am completely against is militant Islamism funded by the Saudis and spreading throughout the world: these people need to be exterminated before they kill the rest of us.
Remembrance, 11th of the 11th of the 11th, as memories return each year:
Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.”
For my lost relatives, lost at Singapore.
For my relatives, my grandfather and father - damaged through life.
I think of you, and hurt.
For those that served across the world ...
on all sides.
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Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent, I salute you sir.
TWIMC
Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remembrance..., for those that served the beast..., on all sides.
Avoidance........., for those the beast may force to serve..., on all sides.
@97 CD
Nov 10th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The following is an excerpt from a sonnet written on the Statue of liberty and freely adaptable to any country that accepts migrants and refugees regardless of religious beliefs or country of origin:
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden doors
These ideals are still valid I believe and are worth aspiring too. There are positive and negative aspects to the arrival of large numbers of people with different values, but in a dynamic, ever-changing world the infusion of new blood is overall an asset I believe.
The choice is evolve or stagnate. Some newcomers are unable to adapt and some of us can't adapt to the newcomers but not enough to impede progress. I don't have a crystal ball - you may be right in the end. I guess we'll see.
p.s. None of the above applies to Justin Bieber, who seems to be enjoying himself in Argentina right now. Him you can keep.
98)Ohhh Do you think that in the USSR vast proportions of people weren’t forced to move to the republics?? Why did old India had to dived itself with massive immigration movements after the independence in between Pakistan and modern India?? Spain after it reunified the country from the Reconquista expelled the Jews, Gypsies and Moors
Nov 10th, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The old Roman Empire at the height of its decline was perhaps the most multicultural society in the world back then; you get absolutely anything in the streets slaves from Africa, Germania, serving in the Villas, estates and farms and traders from Judea, and Arabia, Greek academics, etc but you must ask yourself why did the Roman people’s identity and culture just melted in the face of the Barbarian and Germanic advance. No real national defense of the country emerged. Only 10% of the legionaries back then were actually of Italian origin.
I just think there is too many evidence that multicultural and multinational societies are not as vigorous as one national society with one single national identity.
You mention Israel and that is the excellent example of how a people’s culture and identity can rage strong and have a deep feeling of identity in silence for over a millennia and not melt definitely in wherever they were, so they had the need to reestablish a country that they can call their own.
“So tell me, one example where in the modern world immigration has changed the majority of a country, so that the government is no longer representative of the indigenous people”
This examples of this all over the US, but its branded as ideological, may be, but there is a clear racial divide too.
Cabeza
Nov 10th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a short memory. In 1982 a whole bunch of Nepalese gentlemen were prepared to fight and die outside Stanley for 3000 british citizens on the other side of the globe. Seems their loyalty was underestimated too.
In fact if yoy look in iraq and afghanistan the current BRITISH military doesnt seem to match your racial purity prescription.
Why do so many want to come. Because the British values and way of life are what they want fir themselves and their families...and they will fight to keep it .
No racial divide here and no indication that parliament is about to fall to immugrant anti beitish fundamentalists either.
Poor mokey, you are increasingly out of magic….
Nov 10th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do not understand the concepts I have put forward here which history teaches us. I said that only these societies function when there is one of these two factors; a general positive economical outlook and/or a dictatorial state that keeps society together. In your case the dictatorial state comes from this politically correct brainwashed mentality you have and display. The fact that you call “RASCIST” anyone who disagrees with your view, you have laws in place which enable the uneven relationship to exist within your country, and you are in denial and I’m lucky because I can see it from the outside so think of it as the same way you see the “malvinistas” here. This is why you are under a social dictatorship. You believe in fairy tales and some political establishment and mainstream media have sold you smoke and you effectively endorsed the country that took a millennium to be in one
The other point is that people don’t flock to your country nowadays because of you values, that’s a pile of rubbish, and I never heard in my lifetime people travelling somewhere because they like certain values, they go for one reason: TO MAKE MONEY.
The gurkas have a traditional links with the British Army and were paid to do so. It’s simple as that. They never really engaged the Argentine conscripts.
My great grandmother was Algerian and married to a Pied noir officer before moving to Argentina. The French did wonders in Algeria, why did the Muslims expel them if they were the backbone of the economy?? Why did they fear so much they had the need to return to France or travel elsewhere??
Why whites were stolen from in Zimbabwe and all over Africa while Europe opens its doors and fits them into their cities, provides them with laws in favor of them??
Keep up whith your magic, sepoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEPMmtG49Ho
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Nov 10th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... then there is always the 'white feather', which some wore with passion - even pride, and others committed suicide through shame.
... yet others sought shelter from the draft across the border in eg Canada.
... mostly though, you just accepted the 'shilling' and avoided starvation, or turned up when told to - and lived or died according to the vagaries of fate.
Yes, Think, this great life/death decision comes early to most men.
Some - today - chose to fight for their families in the home country's civil war, and are forever called 'terrorists' in their adopted home.
It's a bewilderingly sad old world.
Amen
Nov 10th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have a lot of comments from our Argie commentators about the justification for the second Iraq war and I would agree that it was fought on false premises.
Nov 13th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But didn't Argentina send naval and logistical support for that conflict?
Cabeza
Nov 13th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe I did call you racist, although your views are ridiculous and like something out of Harry Potter, stupid, cretinous, imbecilic, definitely all those but racist, who knows?
Your own arguments destroy themselves.
You talk about the French being kicked out of Algeria. What on earth has that got to do with immigration into the Uk. Absolutely nothing.
You are trying to portray the myth that the UK will become “overrun” with immigrants, and they will in someway all “club together” to change the very foundations of the country.
I say it is complete and total shit....
It is shit for the following reasons.
1) the UK is not being overrun at all, for a short period the Blair Labour administration lost control of immigration, it is now being regained.
2) the immigrants are from an enormously diverse set of backgrounds, there isn't a single entity that will club together, the Polish immigrants are as different from the Pakistani immigrants as they are from the West Indian immigrants, there isn't a single voice.
3) you have failed in entirety to give a single example of where immigration has managed to change the nature of a state, in fact you gave two examples (Russians moving into former Soviet states and the French moving into Algeria) where a large immigrant population failed to make a permanent change.
4) the is absolutely no indication in any of the UK democratic processes to support your view. The current Prime Minister is an Oxbridge Etonian, the Mayor of London is an Oxbridge Etonian, if anything our immigrant population is under represented not over represented.
5) I have given you examples in sport and military where immigrant and second generation folk have happily and proudly represented the UK, you ridiculously dismiss this as “they were being paid to do so”. Hence the Victoria Cross awards for the likes of Johnson Beharry.
So you argument is piss weak, and ignorant..but indoctrinated...poor you
@110 monkeymagic
Nov 14th, 2013 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have to forgive CD. He's frightened of anyone who isn't white and catholic.
I live in Birmingham, which has a large muslim population, as well as a large West Indian population, and large Asian (Indian, Chinese etc..) populations.
I work with many people of different ethnic backgrounds, but I have yet to come across any that aren't anything but British. Proud to be British, loyal to the Queen, proud of British heritage and culture; and the freedom Britain brings that allows people to worship as they like.
I attended the Remembrance Parade held at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on Sunday. This was attended by many military personnel, and hospital staff alike (many who are not white or catholic). All to honour those that have fallen.
What people like CD fails to realise, because of his closeted views, is that many Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhists, Sikhs, Aethists as well as Christians, laid down their lives for the freedom of all. Many of them fought and died in the 1st and 2nd world wars, as well as the Korean war, Malaysia and other conflicts.
He is fixated on political correctness, but he doesn't actually understand what it means.
Saying that, he is one of the better Argentine contributors, and he does put forwards so compelling arguments, except when he gets fixated, that is.
There are examples of the main points I’m implying here, MULTICULTURAL AND MULTINATINAL SOCIETIES ARE NOT AS VIGOUROS AS COUNTRIES WITH ONE SINGLE IDENTETY, CULTURE, MINDSET, OBJECTIVE, and though current politically correct belief states the opposite, history has proven always that it isn’t the case. I’m sorry you don’t know nor understand history, go back to the collapse of Rome and the period of Germanic immigrations into the old Roman Provinces of Gaul, Hispania, Italy, Britannia, Pannonia and so on. Of course immigration has managed to change the nature of a state!!! It even did so in the Americas a century ago!!! On the other hand you better give examples of superstates that were so multicultural like the ones of today that have endured as the same entity along time and haven divided nor collapsed amongst themselves…
Nov 14th, 2013 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at the (all white) Tea Party in the US nowdays, they do not understand that they are already or if not very close to be a minority in their country, the State is changing do to demographic reasons.
What you fail to understand also is that despite all the different “voices” you don’t have uniformity… Just face the fact that there is a great degree of sectarianism that can’t be melted together today with modern technology which allows them to be in touch with their country of origin.
On the other hand countries with strong national identities and with fixed objectives and remain so during a very agressive globalization process are the ones that will have a great advantage and this is going to become a asset to them.
You better face the fact sooner or later that you are a paper tiger..
“MULTICULTURAL AND MULTINATINAL SOCIETIES ARE NOT AS VIGOUROS AS COUNTRIES WITH ONE SINGLE IDENTETY, CULTURE, MINDSET, OBJECTIVE”
Nov 14th, 2013 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Multinational state:
Switzerland
Belgium
Singapore
Canada
United Kingdom
Multicultural states:
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
United Kingdom
United States
All these countries are rich, successful, prosperous and innovative.
Stop making blanket statements that you can't prove.
So which homogenous countries without any immigration are more successful than these countries?
“So which homogenous countries without any immigration are more successful than these countries?”
Nov 14th, 2013 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, Italy, Iceland, Austria, Finland, etc. Poland and the Baltic states are successful and we will see many Eastern European and some Latam countries join in the developed club soon
Singapore, Switzerland and Belgium= NON COUNTRIES
Canada has great divide till today and even secessionist movements.
United Kingdom with Scotland standing on the fence and having a vote in 2014 over independence, which is already a forgone conclusion that they want to become independent but they are not sure if the economical side has any viabilidity so thats where the whole debate circles round….
Is that what you call love for a country or I’m fine Jack??
Blanket statement my arse Aglutino
The ones you brand as multicultural are beacons of patronization of minorities…
America is a disaster, and tell me with a hand in your heart have you seen any Africanamerican stand by Zimmerman case ?? How can it be that Obama has over 95% of the black vote? Why is it there is no blacks in the Tea Party?? And a long list of etc
I already talked about UK and I don’t know that much about the Canadians
And I’m sorry I don’t want to be disrespectful but to me New Zealanders and Australians are far less complex and sophisticated than British and Americans are. I’ve being there yes very nice, practical and open people, but both of them copy paste countries nothing really of their own save crocodile Dundee
CD has gone off the rails.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His arguments are very familiar also.
Reminds me of someone...
Psst...there are blacks, asians, latinos in the Tea Party. And The USA is a basket case...puhleeez what a ridiculous idiot you are.
#114 tobi the tit boi.........your momma's tit juice is making you dillusional. You really need to get off of lap and beg her to allow you to travel. You are absolutely clueless about the USA, Europe and even your own beloved political shithole you call Argentina.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The stupidest statement you have ever made by far:
“Why is it there is no blacks in the Tea Party?? And a long list of etc”
It really exemplifies your absolute ignorance on the USA and is a perfect example why being a world traveler vicariously through Google does not work. Put your bib back on and continue with your nipple suckling. you are by far the most pathetic and ignorant mestizo here.
I think Sarah Palin got humped by a NBA player in the 1980s.... You are right the Tea Party has transpolled the same propotion of American demographics into its ranks..... LOL
Nov 15th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give me a break, numbers speak for themselves. The only “latino” tea party are the Cubans and most of there supporters are old.
Tobi the tit boi ....again you show your ADHD disease by not sticking to the topic. Let's continue of being off topic. SO Argentina has no military because the are humanitarians?
Nov 16th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHERE ARE THEY IN THE PHILLIPINES?
BTW
I think the SP and the Teal Party are idiots and extremists......but I know about the and not from goggling, you should try that to, learning something from experience and not a virtual life trapped in mendoza googling away in your mama's basement when you are not suckling her nipples. That said.......I also support their constitutional right to exist. You are a real stupid fuckhole that your dad used way too often. Get a real lifde tobi.....you know nothing absolute of the USA or Europe because you've never been there or anywhere.........even in your own Argentina. You are a true example of a DNA mishap.
@118 I dont know who the hell is Toby, nor you have any idea where I have being or not and who I have spoken to.
Nov 16th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I do is discuss FACTS AND NUMBERS, If you dont know anything and you are a ignorant cunt then its your problem . Under your mentality you will have to travel to Madagascar before having any right to have an opinión about that country
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