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Pro-Malvinas militant groups told by winch workers to keep out of the port of Buenos Aires
Pickets organized by the Argentine fundamentalist group Quebracho to protest the docking in the port of Buenos Aires of the Bahamas flagged cruise “Seabourn Quest” which includes the Falkland Islands in its route were displaced by the union of winch operators in conflict over pay, work conditions and official registry of their grouping. Read full article
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Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL
Today's piss up has been cancelled due to a double booking, reported brewery staff.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well burning union jacks flags is becoming a new kind of export here.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope they get a little bit more organised and we can see on telly the first world cup of union junk burning championship.
Part of CFK's return from sickness to the one of regular media manipulation.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I often burn Argentinian triband flag.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no its illegal in Argentina I will be getting legal letters soon.
Oops goodness me Ive just wiped by arse on one.
#3
Nov 21st, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Burning the Union Jack is just an demonstration of the impotence of Argentina when it comes to the Falkland Islanders. You know you have night legal or moral rights to the islands (or else you would have taken your claim to the ICJ) so you [Malvinistas] just moan, burn flags, and try to piss off every British person or company you can find. Bravo.
Yeah burning Union Jacks is having an amazing effect in Argentina.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh hang on a minute……. what has Argentina gained exactly?
C'mon name one thing! It should be easy.
We can definitely say that it hasn't the Falklands that is for sure.
Burning Union Jacks is bad for the environment, increases global warming but the british flag export businesses are doing a roaring trade, cheers Quebracho! (mindless bunch of no-hopers with as much chance of success as CFK winning the Nobel Prize).
Nov 21st, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0So which are the 'militants' that Cristina is warning us about?
Nov 21st, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0- the union strikers or the Quebracho hoodies?
Perhaps both!
one lot of idiots without jobs told to fuck off by idiots with jobs that dont want to work.. argyland going down the khazi.. loling
Nov 21st, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Nov 21st, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Today's piss up has been cancelled due to a double booking, reported brewery staff.”
LOL.
Some stupid Iranian inhaled the fumes of a burning USA flag and died.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I laughed.
Brand UK is massive, our flag is probably the most branded and marketed flag in the world today, so please keep buying them and burning them and buying more.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it a sad fact that you only see people burning flags in the street in desparate third world countries where society has broken down and lawless thugs are allowed to rampage through the streets and cause misery to their own people!
@ DanyBerger, So third world burning flags - seems like a bad habit you have in common with your new mates the Iranians
Nov 21st, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People from “Quebracho” are a sort of “kindheads” of the third world.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are extreme nacionalist that bother regular citizens by picketing in the streets causing traffic jams. They also like to organize demonstrations that end in riots....
They are usually young, non educated and unemployed people.
They shouldn't be a problem by a “regular” government but they are, for sure, a problem for regular citizens that must work daily to make their living.
But CFK is not a “regular” president and she likes to take risks and challenges with dangerous people.
They had plenty of impunity to do stupid things such as burning flags or tyres, picketing in the streets and breaking windows. In addition, they were given plenty of influence in the University of La Plata.
Burning the Uk flag is a stupid thing since it's useless, it's highly offensive and goes against any regular relationship with the UK government and their people.
By doing these stupid things Argentina is increasingly away from any understanding with the UK. And most probably, that's what they want..as any extremist any kind of dialogue or understanding is dangerous for their delusions.
@15
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe if there was a tangible or even tantalizing ADVANTAGE in a “regular relationship” with the UK government and people...
Since there is no advantage or benefit, then what does it matter.
When you have made yourself irrelevant, like the UK has in Argentina, then you have no leverage.
Flag burning is a clear sign of national impotence. Just look at the principle flag-burners in South America:
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Bolivians burning the Chilean flag ... result: no sea for Bolivia
2) Argies burning the UK flag ... result: no little islands for Argie.
There is one exception to this rule. In 1998 Chileans burnt the British flag after the arrest of Pinochet in London. Evidently Chileans are better at burning flags 'cause Jack Straw send the General home.
“When you have made yourself irrelevant, like the UK has in Argentina” ??????
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you quarrel with the UK you quarrel with Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the whole Commonwealth.....
Due to my profession I had to travel a lot so let me correct you, ARGENTINA IS IRRELEVANT TO THE WORLD and the UK.
Travel the world and WEAK UP !!!!!
@17
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your arrogance is laughable.
Pinochet got sent home because the British have no interest in Human Rights. Pinochet = Chagos = Iraq = UK surveillance state.
When it does not suit the UK government, then all dictators are to be prosecuted, all people have self-determination, no country should go to war preemptively, and privacy should be protected.
But when it does suit the UK gov, then forget human rights, self-determination, the United nations, and democracy.
There is one level of impotence worse than flag burning though: when your own citizens openly consider seceeding and joining your hated neighbor (Magallanes, Aysen protests 2011, 2012). That's far more humiliating.
Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol.....06:25 am here in BC Canada...just sippin on my first cup of java and getting my laughter fix for the day...Yup a really convincing show of how a “democracy” really works...One group of thugs putting the run on another group of hooded thugs while burning Union Jacks in the streets.....lol...You cant make this shit up,and its all par for the course in Arjuntina,along with other third world shit heaps...Gotta laugh though...!!
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you quarrel with the UK you quarrel with Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the whole Commonwealth.....”
Upon readin this was I supposed to bow or genuflect, to cower and skulk in fear, or just beg for my economic life?
What does Argentina care about the Commonwealth? We have no relations with them, and economically they are irrelecant to us.
Ok, Argentina is irrelevant to the world and the UK. So.... ?????
Does not change the facts of what I said. Irrelevant back at you :)
If not for Andrew Lloyd weber nobody in the USA would know anything about Argentina.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another who believes their presence here, or his representation of his country, matters one jot.
Most Argentines think the US capital is New York or Miami. That's how relevant you are these days, they don't even teach North American geography anymore. My mother said that was required in her time. Now, they teach Asian geography.
@21 By being an unemployed person that lives from subsidises thank to CFK you became someone who doesn't care the world or someone who doesn't care a dignified way of making your living. Keep on begging for change pennies !!!
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To work daily, to fed my familiy, to raise my children, to become someone usefull to my society, to make a professional career I need the World.
Your attitude is decadent and of a frustrated person...travel the world and WAKE UP BOY...grow up boy !!!!
@24
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, you love jumping to totally unproven, unsubstantiated conclusions.
You need the world? Well, that's you. Go beg that world that sees you as lower than a rat (you just said that yourself), for crumbs.
Yeah I'm the one frustrated and what about all the foreigners here trashing Argentina every second of the day? They are self-assured, confident, succesful citizens??
hahahahahahaha.
@ 25
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0travel the world and WAKE UP BOY...go to scholl and grow up boy !!!!
@26
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For what? You just told me they think I'm irrelevant. So I have no further need to go further. THank you for sparing me the money, who wants to travel to nations where they don't even know you exist?
@ Toby
Nov 21st, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your arrogance is laughable. ”
I'm arrogant because I jest we achieved more by flag buring, lol.
I can see you're all wound up today. Take it easy. Go to that nice Jumbo supermarket in Mendoza and by some expensive “Mate”.
TTT the worlds Joey Essex, keep talking from your Canadian home every statement is a gem pal
Nov 21st, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27
Nov 21st, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never wrote “they think I'm irrelevant”...they don't think about you. They even don't know you exist but you must undertand the World to start existing.
Boy...put on your clothes.....It's time to go school !!!!
@30
Nov 21st, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are laughable.
Thing is, I don't care whether they think we exist or not. It merely speaks to how pathetically poor their education systems are, and how ignorant, provincial, and uneducated they are.
But boy do “they” get upset when I tell them that for Argentina they are in fact irrelevant (which is a fact).
Tell me if Europe or the UK were so important to us, why are we doing everything to push them away? You would think if our economic, social, cultural, political, or military lives depended on them, we would not do that.
Just face it, you can't stand the fact that “irrelevance” is a two-way street. You want to insist that the rest of the world does not even know we exist, yet they get utterly pissed at our actions.
@28
No one cares about Chile here. That's why you are trying to insert it in the conversation. Your behavior is obvious and reeks insecurity.
@29slatzz
Nov 21st, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ultimate insult that is! But Joey doesn't like to 'confrontate' !
These two fools at 29 and 32 think I'm going to know who Joey Esxex is! I guess just because he is British or something, and “everyone must watch our shows and listen to our music”.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quizzically quaint.
I really seriously don't even know what them two are talking about.
But word of advice: “jokes” and “humiliations” don't work when the intended party has now f-ing clue what the factors used in your derogating multiplication mean.
Toby,
Nov 21st, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”But boy do “they” get upset when I tell them that for Argentina they are in fact irrelevant (which is a fact).”
Even your dear leader today stated that Argentina needs billions of USD to develop, she also stated that it had to come from outside Argentina. That means the countries that would invest in Argentina are very relevant.
Pgerman is absolutely correct when he tells you that Argie hostility to the UK harms no one but Argentina. Chile has received billions in investment from the UK over the last 20 years and even more from the Commonwealth countries. Even your dim-witted leadership are coming to the realization that they need to replicate Chile's success in this area - sorry if that offends your Argie ego.
I take it you don't shop at Jumbo. Pity, it is the best supermarket in Mendoza even if more expensive than the others.
@3 Not a problem for the UK. You see, we aren't wedded to our flag like Americans are. That's because we have THE Queen. Who is far more important. And have you ever thought of this? In order to burn a Union flag, you first have to go out and BUY one. So intelligent to spend what little money you have on something and then burn your own property. It's a difference in mentality. We have brains. You don't!
Nov 21st, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Let me suggest something to you. The United Kingdom is a NATION that, together with other NATIONS such as the United States, will be voting AGAINST the IMF giving argieland any loans. As of the current date, the UK controls 4.29% of the votes. The USA controls 16.75%. That's 21.04% AGAINST argieland before you start. Just to get that into context, that's the largest and 4th largest vote control blocks in the IMF. Ah, you say, but what about the 2nd and 3rd largest? That would be Japan and Germany. Who are also against loaning argieland any money. That's another 12.04% against argieland. That's 33.08% against you! But what about your “friends”? China only has 3.81%. Iran only has 0.62%. Brazil only has 1.72%. The WHOLE of latam can only manage 5.15%.
Now I don't know whether Canada, Australia and New Zealand would support the UK. Hang on, Canada does. Nor am I convinced about the whole Commonwealth. I can think of some sad “states” that might not. Jamaica is pretty “sad”. Then there are the few that are like you and like to have crims in charge. The ones up for a bit of bribery and corruption. Bit expensive though!
Overheard in BA was one Quebracho militant to another,“ what are you doing? ” I am making an English flag was the reply“ ”Why?“ ” Beacause I want to burn it? “ Why bother making one then ” was the reply. Had a point there, clever fellow.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damned clever these Argies, never thought of that. PMSL
Cheapskates, the least these militants can do is support their economy and buy the Union Flags. Supply and demand, that's the way to do it!
Nov 21st, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Nov 21st, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I only shop at small stores. Nothing against big stores though.
The countries are IRRELEVANT. What matters are the international corporations.
You don't get it do you? This is the 21st century. Why do you think they are now called MULTINATIONALS??? These companies are now MORE IMPORTANT than the countries in which they began!! And most of them don't belong to any “one country”, not formally, not de facto even, because most have their resources spread far and wide all over, and many now have their headquarters in some offshore atoll or coral reef.
So you see, yes, the UK is irrelevant. Spain is irrelevant. Germany is irrelevant. Italy, Russia, China, Brazil, gasp even Chile. We need nothing from those countries.
We easily bypass them and make our deals with the MULTINATIONALS, which you can't control.
Again, welcome to the 21st century. Yes, the UK and Europe are irrelevant. Multinationals will invest in Argentina no matter what they say, and they will make deals with the devil because GREED does that to you.
But I thought you liked greed.
@38
Nov 21st, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't commented on here in ages as I got sick of reading the bull coming from all sides but your comments on this article prompted me to return to the fray.
Your President speaks for all of Argentina whereas you speak only for yourself. Therefore your opinions are irrelevant compared to hers. You said that “no one cares about Chile here” but your President “mentioned her 'good friend' Michelle Bachelet who last Sunday won the presidential first round in Chile”. So apparently Chile is more important than you believe if Christina wants to be friendly with their new president.
As for companies not being tied to their country of origin, I doubt that's true as your militant groups are “constantly organizing pickets next to visiting cruise vessels flying the red ensign”. That would suggest the flag has importance and therefore the country that flag belongs to has bearing on how your fellow countrymen react.
Also interesting to note that your President said: “we will associate with whomever we need to associate, because we have no prejudice”. It would seem she was not speaking with yourself in mind when she made the above comment.
Yeah, it's all very silly. Burning flags is so passé.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm surprised you haven't noticed that not only do the Chilean contributers to this site possess the driest wit of anyone who posts here, have a deep knowledge of not only their world but the larger one without, never lose their cool and never, ever take crap from anyone. And anyone not interested in what is happening in Chile right now doesn't have a pulse. IMHO.
@39
Nov 21st, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's called diplomacy, just like Cameron says he wished “friendly” relations with Argentina but behind the bromide he asbolutely hates Argentina and anything remotely associated with it, both for reasons provoked by us (I do admit), but also just because as an ultra-conservative Brit he believes anything non-British is inherently inferior.
@40
One can be interested in what is going on in Chile without being interested in replicating it here. To compare Chile, a much smaller unitarian country with no racial or ethnic diversity whatsover, with Argentina, nearly three times more populous, nearly 5 times larger, and with far many more ethnic groups and immigrants (Chile does not allow immigration), is beyond a joke.
@41 Tobias
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't compare your two nations and I wouldn't dream of suggesting to you that Argentina implement what works in Chile. You'd simply disagree, at length. On principle.
I'm simply interested in what happens in Chile as a human being interested in other ( very interesting ) human beings. And I've assumed you might be too.
@42
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do. I learn languages, I learn about other cultures, I inform myself on the happenings on there.
That is much more than I can say for the ignorant losers here, who never having stepped foot in Argentina, never having met an Argentine, not knowing a word of Spanish to read the news, and not having read a single book on the matter, come here as self-proclaimed experts and there to suggest they know more about it than I do.
Maybe that's why I act so belligerent towards them. You won't make many friends if as a layman you go up to a doctor, lawyer, plumber, meterologist, linguist, make-up stylist, hairdresser, economist, policeofficer, _________ , and tell them you know their metier better than they do.
And does any of your second paragraph apply to the gentleman whom you first described as “arrogant”?
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Are you going to explain the connection between the UK and something that happened in Chile? Can I ask you this? On 11 March 2011, the fuse in the electric plug for my washing machine blew out. How is this connected to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster. I thought that perhaps the power fluctuation in Britain's national grid resulted in extra demand from Japan's nuclear reactors and that caused equipment failures. The tsunami was actually an effect, not a cause. I'm fairly convinced of this and I don't know who to blame. The manufacturer of the fuse, the plug, the electrical wiring, the washing machine, the house wiring, the electricity company's fuse, the main cabling, the national grid? Desperate dumbo!
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Crap yourself would be best. Nobody would notice. Same aroma as your deodorant!
@23 Always best to know where your masters are!
@25 You are mistaken. Nobody is “trashing” argieland. “Trash” is unwanted or undesired waste. The difference is that “trashing” implies denigrating something worthwhile. On the other hand, argieland is undoubtedly unwanted, undesired and waste. So all that people are doing is telling the truth. You find that difficult to accept. Not surprising. You have neither the experience nor the knowledge to make a valid comparison.
@27 We know you exist. We can smell you. Lot of British troops mentioned how they could detect the faecal argies!
@31 Do tell us what happens when your shipments of gas don't turn up? Why are you pushing Europe and the UK away? Because you're brainless, commie terrorists.
@38 Little point you missed, dimwit. Even “multinationals” have to be based somewhere. And when the “host” country imposes punitive taxation, regulation and so forth? Or, dare I suggest, expropriates or nationalises? And then repudiates “selected” contracts. The argie ones. Conferences, international agreements, pacts. Result? DEATH TO ARGIELAND!! You'll get it when you grow up.
@44
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It applies to 99% of all of you, who I know for a fact have NEVER set foot in the country.
Argentina allows unrestricted immigration because it political class (mainly populist and Peronist ones) need to politically exploit poverty through subsidies.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is a populist leader without people that follow him/her with devotion?
What is a populist leader without people that attend his/her events?
What is a populist leader without people that loudly clap his/her speeches?
Mainly when these people don’t demand honesty and actual achievements
Argentina allows unrestricted immigration because their industrial, and businessmen, need to exploit the poors. As stated by Karl Marx in his book The Capital: they “need an army of unemployed poor people willing to take jobs almost for free”
Argentina allows unrestricted immigration because the so-called “community leaders” who are truly mafia and drug dealers than need great slums where they can reign as lords in a territory where the state does not impose law and order.
@46
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that's what you were thinking when you sent that post? Is the gentleman concerned part of the 99%?
WAIT!!......don't burn the Union Flag, they could become a collectors piece next year...
Nov 21st, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The blue Saltire would be removed leaving the red St. George's cross...
Which has many uses...stick it on top of your house and you shouldn't get bombed....unless of course it's Yankee pilots....they get confused with X marks the spot....
Don't you just love the photograph!
Nov 21st, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hundreds of protesters (according to INDEC) and no Policia in sight!
If you wanted a pictorial representation of a bunch of cunts then you have it there!
Spain & Argentina can kiss my arse quite frankly they can f**k the f**k off with there shithole backwards arse nations of fascists and Nazis.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A_Voice while the Satire represents Scotland, it technically represents St Andrew & is highly unlikely to be removed from the Union Flag no matter what the outcome. Being as its the UK flag, the whole nation would get to decide if that was the case!
@50
Nov 21st, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should the police arrest and beat up a peaceful protest? Just because that's done in totalitarian England, where the right to free assembly and public issuing of grievances died circa 2000-2005, other countries still respect this.
51
Nov 21st, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I very much doubt that ......St. Andrew is the official patron Saint of Scotland not the UK....
I don't see how the whole of the UK would get to decide....
.....do you mean like the whole of the UK gets to decide on Scotland being part of the UK....?
The Union flag would obviously need to change......
@52 ? wtf you on about!
Nov 21st, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That be the totalitarian England that disappeared thirty thousand of its citizens in the 1970's would it? The same England that arrests and prosecutes people for publishing economic data, would it?
Nov 21st, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@A_Voice / @Nostros The Union Flag would remain the same after Scottish independence, one reason being the retention of the Queen as head of state, which Salmond wants, as the act of union is the only link to the Scottish Royals now.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also think this article explains it well: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-what-would-happen-to-the-union-jack-1-2967494
It would be up to the UK gov and no one else, a public referendum would probably vote to keep it in any case, as the article says the Union Flag is on a lot of nations flags anyway.
Yes, #55
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UK also has its 'Disappeared'.
In Northern Ireland 14 people were 'really disappeared' during the Troubles; seven bodies are still missing. Many more just disappeared by migration to avoid trouble - still alive but somewhere else.
The difference between the UK and Argentina is that the Irish were 'disappeared' by sectarian civilians, and the government forces were trying to stop them doing it;
in Argentina the 20-30,000 were disappeared by the government.
@48
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And that's what you were thinking when you sent that post? Is the gentleman concerned part of the 99%?”
I was wondering the same. Toby is on very shaky ground if he thinks I don't know Argentina. In fact I possibly know it better than he does. I remember (when Toby was tobias and would often engage in interesting posts) he said he would like to drive the ruta 40 all the way south one day. He also stated that he had never driven up to Aguas Negras - a spectacular drive over one of the world's highest roads. So he's not been south or west and he doesn't like BA to the east - I wonder how much of the country he knows.
@Toby
You say:
“ I inform myself on the happenings on there.”
and then say:
“Chile does not allow immigration”
You should inform yourself better.
When has Chile not allowed immigration? Chile is now the largest recipient of intra Latin American immigration. The largest groups are Peruvians, followed by Argentineans followed by Colombians.
Regarding multinationals you make a fair point, but you are mistaken that there is no link between them and there home countries. Earnings, dividends and other revenue generally filters back to the home nation one way or another. Why do you think Piñera intervened in the case of Campora thuggery agains Lan (I know he has a personal interest, but Bachelet would do the same). The Spanish government will fight for fair compensation for Repsol and so on.
Countries will fight the corner for “their” corporations if they are of value to the country and if they are being bullied by other national governments. Argentina need to fix international relations on many fronts to get the much needed FDI flowing.
MPR Quebracho's impotence on full display here. I'm sure they'd rather burn British people or even Falkland Islanders, but they have to make do with tyres and British flags instead.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is better off without FDI than with it.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is better off without FDI than with it.”
I doubt even you really believe that. I am sure all the people whose jobs depend on it don't share your opinion.
Even CFK has realised that it is required:
CFK: Hay que impulsar “la inversión extranjera que venga a ayudarnos”
Looks like bcra is having a hard time keeping a lid on the peso.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gee I wonder why?
The FDI model was tried in the 1990s and it failed. So between the 1990s and 2000s the only difference is that at least in the 2000s we told the entire planet to stuff it and they coudn't do anything about it.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the 1990s were were so thoroughly dependent on FDI, bond markets, the U.S Fed, IMF, European bond holders, that we lost our entire sovereignty, and had to obey what they said. We had lost our independence.
So I prefer the 2000s option, with all its “problems”, like inflation. But at least they are our sovereign problems.
Oh so easy for lambs to be led,
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will ruin there own country for something that does not exist, so they can never own it ,
And eventually shipping companies will just stop going to Argentina,
As it is far to dangerous,
Still
Docking in Brazil and going by road will have to do, then .lol
ouch
56
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha I read one of the comments following that link.....
Got to laugh at this one....
“The answer is simple. The flag stays as it is. It's our trade mark around the world and its not for changing. You will be foreigners and your wishes will be thoroughly ignored. You should start getting used to it. Post independence, who cares what you want. You made your bed, now lay in it.”
...Well there's no arguing that point.....;-)
@65
Nov 21st, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like oh so friendly neighbors, those english.
The unions and corruption killed Argentina in the 90s.
Nov 21st, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look to Venezuela to see you future.
Although it may even be worse than that.
Hard to say now.
Run peso run.
whats this to do with the blog,
Nov 21st, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or do argies love to change it lol
@Toby,
Nov 21st, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What failed in the 90's were your institutions and management of the economy. You are also confusing FDI with government issued debt.
FDI is for example that nice aforementioned Jumbo supermarket in Mendoza, or the Toyota plant in Salta or the defunct Vale mine in Mendoza. All these things create jobs and tax revenues.
It was the government issued debt that you defaulted on.
If you think you are less sovereign because of foreign investment, you are going to have to brace yourself, because with the exception of yourself everyone knows the investment is needed.
@69
Nov 21st, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There 200 billion in Argentine assets overseas. That could sustain the economy for two decades at 10 billion “FDI” a year.
That is one of the highest numbers of overseas money in the world for any country. Just bring that back and problem solved.
So no, we don't need FDI when we can get that money home first.
And why is that money overseas? How do you think you'll get your grubby mitts on it?
Nov 21st, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You won't and people will keep exporting the u$ even faster in the next couple of years.
“There 200 billion in Argentine assets overseas. That could sustain the economy for two decades at 10 billion “FDI” a year .”
Nov 21st, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Just bring that back and problem solved.”
“So no, we don't need FDI when we can get that money home first.”
Ha ha ha ha !!!!.it's so funny...yes....bring the money back home !!!
By the way if Nestor K took the money of Santa Cruz province out of the country we HE was the president of it...why would I bring money to Argentina?..by the way the money have never returned...
If Nestor took the money of a province (I'm not even refering to his private money) out when HE was the president...why would other honest citizen bring their money back?
To get it stolen? To get it forcefully changed into Argentine Pesos with the face of Evita?
Quote from the winning essay in “Malvinas in the University 2012 Essay Contest”:
Nov 21st, 2013 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“even when the Argentine stance is based on not very accurate premises, it reaches the right conclusion”.
This was the winning essay, mind. They even had it translated into English. Read it at:
http://informacionpresupuestaria.siu.edu.ar/DocumentosSPU/malvinas/LIBRO_MALVINAS-ingles.pdf
@3
Nov 21st, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Well burning union jacks flags is becoming a new kind of export here.
I hope they get a little bit more organised and we can see on telly the first world cup of union junk burning championship.”
Go ahead, burn as many Union Jacks as you like. It has the same effect on Brits as Gollum with his non existent threats to sue the oil companies operating round the Falklands, ie zilch, zero, Jack Squit, waste of time and breath.
“ but we are not going to let Quebracho to come around messing things. They have the Foreign ministry”, insisted Coria”
Shouldn't that be, “They have the Foreign ministry,” laughed Coria”?
52 The Truth PaTroll (#)
Nov 21st, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..PMPL....is this lil dwarf really serious,man oh man what the foook is he/she/it on..??Protests not allowed in the Uk but order of the day in BA?....lol...Like I said...one cant make this shit up...!!..lol
@andy65
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“DanyBerger, So third world burning flags - seems like a bad habit you have in common with your new mates the Iranians”
I have? I have never burnt any flag but you are right burning flag is a habit of third world countries.
But these guys seem to be copying this activity from Britons where it is a burning flag place like in many Third World Countries.
Britons burning flags in UK
England Hooligans burning German flag in London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukqo_3f-sB4
Flag-burning law plan criticised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukqo_3f-sB4
Just another sad images from the Third World I guess...
Danyyy !!!!
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You still owe me a theoretical explanation about the monetary base that could be increased that could be increased the same size of the GDP...Do you remember?
Still preparing it?
Hurry up..you are a little bit late
Well at least Dany admits that people who burn flags are “hooligans” - perhaps he should take a walk down to the port and tell them that.
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are they complaining about? In their beloved Tesco they seem to love the Union Jack Toilet Seat.
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.tesco.com/direct/tesco-union-jack-toilet-seat/209-5995.prd
@pgerman
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0First this conversation started from an older post were you said that printing money cause inflation and devaluation per se.
I said that is not true and that you can print whatever amount of money you want and even the size of your GDP and nothing will happen.
Then you started with vague explanations and since then every time you ask me the same thing, your question become more crappy.
Well I guess that you have heard or read somewhere the tale from Milton Fridman “Inflation is
always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon” that then have been turned in many interpretations sayings “Inflation is always a matter of money supply, printed, etc, etc” and I guess that you have made your own interpretation of this.
Then you have the theory of QtoM represented in deferent ways most accepted by necons
As MV=PQ or P=M.V/Q ,etc, etc.
Well now what is currency or money?
What is GDP?
What is a bank?
Answer you this questions please and then I will explain you with simple examples how I can create inflation, recession, debt and whatever you see in economy.
Allow me to supply your money and I will not care who govern...
@58 Condorito
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Tobias was perfectly aware your knowledge of his country greatly exceeds the '99%' of people who post here. He is just very angry and has found a unique way of expressing himself. Polysyllabic invective.
(73) rule_britannia
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear fessor......
Good link…
Excellent essays…
Have you read them…?
Have you contributed…?
I didn’t want to link to them because ANY sources other than highly chauvinistic Anglo ones are characterized in here as brainwashed propaganda....
But nobody could accuse a high academic Anglo as yourself of linking to Chauvinistic Propaganda... Ain’t that so; Mr Rule Britannia?
Anyhow...., I second your recommendation of reading this excellent work by some young, bright Argentineans…..:
http://informacionpresupuestaria.siu.edu.ar/DocumentosSPU/malvinas/LIBRO_MALVINAS-ingles.pdf
Shame the Quebracho demonstrators ran so fast , we could have had a mini Ezieza if they had stood their ground .
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0A thorough house cleaning is long over due .
@65 A_Voice, lol yeah I seen that, you do get some muppets aye, not much we can do about them far right nats mate haha.
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@81 Heisenberg
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, polysyllabic invective, usually preceded by sesquipedalian obscurantism, which while both impressive and entertaining is promptly undermined by his shocking lack of knowledge of the world around him.
@85
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol. “Sesquipedalian obscurantism”. Had to look it up. Can't top that.
Thank you, Think, for this link @ #82. It has caused me thought.
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am pondering the requirement of a 'population entity' in sole control of landmass to be considered 'a people' - such that it is acceptable to the apparent sole arbiter in these matters, the UN General Assembly or its judicial arm, the ICJ.
The requirement of having an internal integrity such as a mix of common language, race, heritage, culture, etc apparently satisfies the UN/ICJ.
If a colonial expansion embraces existing ‘peoples’, and the existence of a ‘people’ is necessary for self-determination, would the influx of the many races, heritages, cultures, etc, - especially if it involves the expunging of distinct extant cultures – constitute a removal of this central feature of ‘a people’ – the commonality and internal integrity - that might afford the new colonial occupiers self-determination?
If there were no prior occupying ‘people’, then the greater the internal integrity of those establishing a ‘population entity’, the more that population might be considered a ‘people’. - this, in spite of the same basic genome and culture exiting elsewhere. It is not necessary for the millennia of biological evolution to drift the gene-pool to establish a new people. And if there is no pre-existing indigenous population-entity, then a new gene pool cannot come about by social hybridization.
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@86
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like this definition: a sesquipedalian is one who would call a spade a manuo-pedal excavationary implement. lol.
@80
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never wrote that “printing money would bring a devaluation” but I did write that “printing money usually brings inflation”.
In the particular case of Argentina, nowadays, the cause of the 25/30% of inflation is clearly the colossal, and uncontrolled, increase of the monetary base at a rate of 40% per year.
Saying that printing money brings inflation is not a “monetary tale” as you mantioned.
It's theoretically proved and it was also mentioned and explained (at a basic level since he was not an economist) by Karl Marx in two of his books: “The Capital” and “A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy”. So I wouldn't call Marx a monetarist..would you?
Paul Krugman, a well known keynesian, in his last book also mentioned the effect of printing money in the economy and inflation. He also support the idea that “some inflation” is good...but he refers to an inflation of 5% instead of the 2/2.5% of the inflation in the USA nowadays. He has never mentioned 25/30% of inflation !!!!
If you are going to explain with figures or ecuations that ”you can print per year as much money as the GDP of a country (during the same period of time) without any inflation” you must proof it. I remember it quite clear, that's what you mentioned and wrote at that time.
So, you must use this site to explain your theory. Don't ask me for concepts that can be easily taken from any book or web site. Just try to be brief and clear...you might be right and you can be honoured with a Nobel Price..who knows?
Usually, people like you, CFK fans and peronists, tend to repeat, like parrots, concepts said at a loud voice by some peronist journalist in the media without any theoretical base. As if they were truths beyond doubt
So, please, take your time and try to be clear. I'm ready for your explanation.
In addition, try not to be rude and start calling names doing this is just a proof of your frustration.
#87 [cont.]
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For Argentina, the question arises ‘has the expunging of peoples and their replacement by a ‘rag-bag’ assemblage of many peoples removed the central rationale for self-determination by the ICJ/UN’?
For the Falkland Islands, ‘has the absence of a prior population removed the possibility that an incoming internally coherent people might be recognised by the ICJ/UN’?
Common-sense dictates that the passage of generations defines a ‘people’s’ right to exist – especially in the absence of other or prior population-entities.
Common-sense dictates that colonial expansion into other ‘people’s’ territories can only hold good under force majeure/eradication, maintained by necessary power until the prior population is eradicated, cowed, absorbed or otherwise removed.
The tenets of common humanity, as well as law, the ICJ and the UN, affords more credence to one common-sense claim than the other.
I leave you, not to judge, but to comment.
@88
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're killing me. I nearly choked on my caffeine-infused beverage and my felis silvestrus catus is looking at me strangely. I hereby testify that anyone who underestimates a Chilean does so at their peril.
@ 87 GeoffWard2
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are being uncharacteristically cruel on an old man of at least 82 yofA expecting him to hold that argument in his head!
But it is simpler than you post: the UK Forces kicked the arses of the argies off the islands in the 1982 war.
The argies have not tried it again, nor will they for a long number of years.
Game over, the Islanders win.
@pgerman
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Printing money does not create inflation per se and there are not equations or any math formula to explain economy activities.
Why? Because economy works by people expectation, needs, is chaotic irrational like humans.
That is the reason why for one economic problem 3 economist will provide 10 different explanations and all will seem to be right and in the same time will contradict previous explanation.
Like Milton Frindman and the equation above.
“Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon”
Saying that above is the same as saying “death is always and everywhere a living phenomenon”
So to explain why printing money does not create inflation per se and give examples of how with same amount of money you can create inflation, recession or depression....
I need you to answer the above simple questions.
I will give you just a rod map...
Suppose that I print a lot of currency to give through credits just to buy air do you think that this will create inflation?
“Usually, people like you, CFK fans and peronists, tend to repeat, like parrots, concepts said at a loud voice by some peronist journalist in the media without any theoretical base. As if they were truths beyond doubt”
Then you said...
“In addition, try not to be rude and start calling names doing this is just a proof of your frustration”
Can you see?
This is irrational you are asking me what you are not willing to do.
In economy always happens the same...
Can you provide me your math formula of this?
Idiot? Oops!! (se me escapo)
SYL
73 rule_britannia
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Like the dulce de leche, the Malvinas Islands are one of the most
important identity symbols of the Argentine people. Their still being a
British colony means an unpaid debt, a wound to the pride –not just for
each of us Argentines but also for each Latin American. It is up to us to
recover our “lost little sister” and break free from the imperialist ties.”
these people are just unbelievable, fecking colonial implants talking about imperialism, it's a joke!.
(87( & (90) GeoffWard2
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To make it short....:
1) The British squatters in Malvinas are NOT a distinct People....
2) The British squatters in Malvinas are, though, British People....
3) The British squatters in Malvinas share a common language, race, heritage & culture with the British People...
4) The British squatters in Malvinas have clearly expressed all the above in their recent Referendum...
5) As British People, they are entitled of all the rights British People enjoy.... in Britain...
@Think
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For your sake I hope there is an afterlife....
“My name is Thinkus Maximus Suecus, commander of the sock-puppet army to the north....and I will have my Malvinas in this life or the next”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_-p3Z4Ofy0
Think.
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thought you said you would make it short?
There are no Malvinas, ergo, no British squatters, etc, etc, etc.
@93
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Printing money does not create inflation per se and there are not equations or any math formula to explain economy activities.”
@ 95 Lunatic
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You claim to be from Sweden, or is it Chile, THEN you went to The Dark Country.
You have no say at all about the future of the 9 generations of Islanders on the Falkland Islands, so urinate on your way out of the country you are attempting to colonise.
@98 - The effect of money on inflation is most obvious when governments finance spending in a crisis by printing money excessively. However, money supply is also thought to play a MAJOR role in determining moderate levels of inflation, although there are differences of opinion on how important it is. For example, Monetarist economists believe that the link is very strong; Keynesian economists, by contrast, typically emphasize the role of aggregate demand in the economy rather than the money supply in determining inflation. That is, for Keynesians, the money supply is only ONE determinant of aggregate demand.
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'“The right to free determination belongs only to indigenous peoples, with an unmistakable personality, and not to the adventitious populations coming from the colonial power, either related to it or at its service” .
In the case of Malvinas, this requirement is not met. '
Ahem. In the case of Argentina, this requirement is not met either.
If these are your 'young, bright Argentineans', God help you.
The vast majority of what has been said above pales into insignificance in view of the fact that twice the ICJ has stated, in advisory opinions, that ALL (lovely three letter word that ALL) NSGTs' have the right to self determination.
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now as a result of the lies told to sub-committee III way back in 1964 by the representative from Argentina, Dr. Ruda, the UNGA passed resolution 2065, which the Malvinistas' just love, but that resolution also confirms that resolution 1514 applies to the Falklands thereby confirming that they (Falklands) are a NSGT.
The amusing bit about all this is that in 1975 Dr. Ruda was a member of the panel at the ICJ that stated, for the second time, that all NSGTs' had the right to self-determination. Although Dr. Ruda wrote a dissenting opinion he made no mention of paragraph 54 which is the one stating that ALL NSGTs' have the right to self-determination. His dissenting opinion is available here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6217.pdf
The full advisory is available here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6217.pdf
Enjoy you reading!!
So the people that live on the Falklands are distinctly British according to Think!
Nov 22nd, 2013 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what identities make up the British?
His favourite one first is the SCOTTISH.
Followed by his least favourite the ENGLISH.
Also includes the WELSH who he is fond of.
Doesn't care much for the IRISH though. Probably because some think of themselves as IRISH, some as NORTHERN IRISH and some as ULSTERMEN.
Who else?
Well there are the CORNISH. Then I suppose we should take into account the Channel Islands, Manx, Hebrides, Orkney, Shetland and so on.
Then we have the GIBRALTANS who are called Llanitos and also call themselves Llanis!
But poor Think has difficulty is understanding how the Falkland Islanders can think of themselves as anything but British.
According to his extremely simplistic thinking, everyone in Britain has a “common language, race, heritage & culture”. Which would be news to pretty much every Briton I am thinking. For having one of those in common with another people of the UK does not automatically make the others common.
So what did Think do here? Well he just helped show that the Falkland Islanders can indeed be British and yet at the exact same time be something else… Falkland Islanders.
I mean, it seems everyone else in the UK can do.
94 cornishair (#) Not to mention: ”The European public law then recognized the Pope the necessary authority to dispose of the territories not subjected to Catholic princes, and give them with full sovereignty to those willing and able to spread the Catholic religion”.
Nov 23rd, 2013 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And to think that this piece of shite won a national essay competition!!!
We always try to be Solomon-like and even-handed in our arguments, don't we, Think?
Nov 23rd, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I perceive your unwillingness to address the corollary of the Falklands Island argument - the 'Argentina Question'
You fail to address this other half of my response to the issue so eruditely composed in your link-posting at #82.
Your young man speaks 'educated' and lawyer-like, but that does not make his argument sound [and don't give me “It must be sound, it won a prize!”]
So now let us turn to the 'Argentina Question' ...
with time and subsequent events being no constraint to judgement, does Argentina's declared status as a 'nation' worthy of 'self determination' meet central thesis - the 'people' criterion, argued so beautifully - but wrongly - in your link-article?
Knowing what your answer must be, can we now accept that the 'people' criterion is a failed determinant of nationhood?
[Much follows from your acceptance, as I'm sure you can see!]
@ 104 rule_britannia
Nov 23rd, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And to think that this piece of shite won a national essay competition!!!”
I have to agree but it does prove that RGland are doing 'something right' and that something is indoctrination from an early age.
What they fail to note is that two devoutly Catholic monarchies (England and France) sent expeditions to the 'New World' to claim whatever they could find. I do not know what the French terms of reference were but the English, from Henry VII forbade taking action against anything christian, other than that the explorers had pretty much of a free hand.
(105) GeoffWard2
Nov 23rd, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”I perceive your unwillingness to address the corollary of the Falklands Island argument - the 'Argentina Question'”
I say…:
There ain't any 'Argentina Question'.............
............... The only “Question” here is that the UK is using ~2,000 British long term squatters and British long term overseas employees as spearhead for their Neo-Colonial ambitions over the South Atlantic and the Antarctic.
@106
Nov 23rd, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's hard to think of any other country where a student could win a prize by attempting to demonstrate that a certain group has no rights. Especially when the argument is riddled with unverified assumptions, errors, misconceptions, and evident logical contradictions.
Further proof, is any was needed, that Malvinas Syndrome is a malady of the higher cognitive functions.
@95 Senor Think, Paraphrased...
Nov 23rd, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To make it short....:
1) The British residents in the Falklands (no Malvinas) are NOT a distinct People....
They are, =Falkland Islanders, (i.e. not Scottish, English, Northern Irish, Welsh, Pitcairners, St Helenians, Tristan Da Cunhans, Bermudans etc).
There are no British people without a sub-race.
2) The British residents in the Falklands (no Malvinas) are, though, British People....
St Helenians, Tristan Da Cunhans and Pitcainers are also British, though now where near the British Isles. And your point is?
3) The British residents in the Falklands (no Malvinas) share a common language, race, heritage & culture with the British People...
Mostly, but my Uncle was English and he did not describe the gear for his horse in Spanish.
I am not aware of any camp sports run in the surrounding countryside of Staffordshire.
You cannot eat Teaberries in the UK.
The culture is not totally the same as in the UK as the Islands are in the South Atlantic-The Argentine, Chilean, St Helenian and other sub groups of Falkland Islanders do not share UK heritage/culture as they did not originate from the UK.
The Argentines share a common language, race, heritage & culture with Spain-so they are squatters too then? (There is no such language as Argentinian).
4) The British residents in the Falklands (no Malvinas) have clearly expressed all the above in their recent Referendum...
They are entitled to continue an attachment to the UK as the UN say that NGSTs have the right to belong to other countries.
5) As British People, they are entitled of all the rights British People enjoy.... in Britain...
As British people they are entitled to all the rights they enjoy in the Falkland Islands as well, because of Self Determination.
I was not aware that the Falkland Islanders have the right to vote in a UK general election-any islanders here confirm or deny that, before I can make my next point?
Mmmm interesting point! Why are Argentineans considered a people?
Nov 23rd, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to Think's ill thought out logic, they are indeed Spanish.
@110
Nov 24th, 2013 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's because there are different rules for Argentinians. Hadn't you noticed?
'I say…:
Nov 24th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0There ain't any 'Argentina Question'.............'
I trust you are joking. Most people here seem to be questioning the validity of Argentina and its governance most of the time.
The 'Argentina Question' is straightforward and philosophical ..
It is simply questioning Argentina's right to exist.
@107 Think
Nov 24th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has NO colonial or imperial ambitions - we are perfectly happy with the status quo and are perfectly relaxed regarding the possibility that the NGSTs might eventually declare independence. The only country in the area that has imperial ambitions is Argentina - you know it and it eats you up.
As for the British having a common language - you are obviously unfamiliar with parliamentary constituencies such as Na h-Eileanan an Iar in Scotland and Ynys Mons in Wales. Your Maoist notion that every Brit must look and sound the same is the antithesis of what being British is about. Being British means having the right to individuality and not having to confirm to ideology, Nazi, Communist, Peronist or otherwise.
(112) GeoffWard2
Nov 24th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“I trust you are joking.
Most people here seem to be questioning the validity of Argentina and its governance most of the time.
The 'Argentina Question' is straightforward and philosophical.
It is simply questioning Argentina's right to exist.
I say...:
I trust YOU are joking...
Most people here are Turnips questioning the validity of anything going against the Anglosphere interests...
The ”USA/Canada/Australia/New Zealand Question” is also straightforward and philosophical...
It is simply questioning USA's/Canada's/ Australia's and New Zealand's right to exist...
Do you get my drift?
Agreed Think.
Nov 24th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See how your simplistic view of the Falkland Islanders can be extrapolated out!
Wow, the Falkland Islanders must be more than you say then.
Turnip!
Think #114
Nov 24th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0L o l
we were getting just a bit too serious.
I can just see you as a terminally damaged Predator, saying “What the hell are YOU”
(116) GeoffWard2
Nov 24th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“I can just see you as a terminally damaged Predator, saying “What the hell are YOU” “
I say...:
And I see you as a maturing Englishman, strained by life’s reality to partially abandon his haughty ways and trying hard to avoid the realization of the Anglos being the baddies of this movie…..
Funny, I thought the baddy was the terminally-damaged Predator.
Nov 24th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know me as the silver-maned alpha male, unphased by the stresses of life. My doppelganger just happens to be a buff Austrian.
(118) GeoffWard2
Nov 24th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It never ceased to amaze me.............. that English fascination with Mr.18.
Well done YPF for another stellar business year and 136% rise in the share price - superb results !
Nov 24th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will celebrate with a glass of champagne in my Puerto Madero penthouse with beautiful views over the city - tomorrow is another day in this magical country
120 El Diego, haha, if you believe them figures....
Nov 25th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0120 El Diego, haha, if you believe them figures.... (from the NYSE ;-)
Nov 25th, 2013 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The figures are reliable and audited - there is no doubt in the transformation underway at YPF
Nov 25th, 2013 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think is getting his knickers twisted because he realises that his hopes & aspirations are just not going to be.
Nov 25th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think, you are a squatter, as has been pointed out to you numerous times.
You are squatting on land stolen from dead people--- have you no shame at all?
This is our land. lt does not belong to your failed rogue state of Argentina, no matter how much you wish it so.
And Argentina does not own the Antarctic either, for all of your spurious, ridiculous claims.
Nobody actually owns Antarctica according to the Antarctic Treaty, but the British would have a far better claim than Argentina, simply because we were there before you.
So, if we want to exploit some resources here, its none of your business & you don't have the influence, rights or the muscle to stop us.
l'd quit while you can, if l were you. Glad l'm not in your shoes(probably too big for my feet, anyway! lol).
So, as they say in Australia, “pull your head in, mug”.
Glad to see the YPF shares are keeping abreast of inflation.
Nov 25th, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pity all those poor shanty dwellers in BsAs don't have access to a share portfolio to help them beat 25% inflation and shortages of basic goods.
Thanks El Diego….. you are a shining example of an Argentinean! I myself, have difficulty highlighting the plight of the poor in Argentina.
But you do it so well.
#73
Nov 25th, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I tried reading this but from the first few pages but stopped dead when these quotes came up......
“” understanding the history of the usurpation in 1833;
knowing and expanding the legitimate Argentine arguments to demand the sovereignty over the South Atlantic;“”
It continues in the same way with quotes from the “respected”-( by themselves)- UN decolonization committee. Dare I say a rather biased view
This is the conclusion we will accept so write an essay of over 200 pages confirming it. Herr Goebbel's would have been proud of this “scholastic ”endeavour.
I see that A-hole believes Scotland will be leaving the Union next year.
Nov 25th, 2013 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course this will be down to the Scottish electorate, but so far every single opinion poll seems to disagree with him, by a large margin.
He also laughs at the idea that the whole Union should have a say as to Scottish independence...well lucky for the Scots that they don't...as far more English would like to see an independent scotland than Scottish.
The Union flag will remain as it is irrespective of the outcome of the referendum as it did after irish independence maintaining the St Patrick Saltire.
it is a shame that Scotland wont vote for Independence and England be spared any future risk of a Gordon Brown/Alastair Darling Economic fiasco...but it seems increasing likely that the common sense Scots see it as pulling off their nose to spite their face..and no spite to the English who couldnt care less.
#127
Nov 25th, 2013 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I would like to see Scotland paying the same amount into the coffers per person as the rest of the UK, and getting the same proportion back as expenditure.
The main reason why the English would (stupidly) vote them out of the Union is that they disproportionately benefit to the disadvantage of those living in England.
Surely its the same in Chubut, getting out more than you put in .. ?
@103:
Nov 25th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talking of multiple identities, don't you also go under the name of “El Diego”?
Mmmmm. How's the polo and the greasy meat pies?
123 El Diego don't worry it won't last long, NYSE opens in what, 2 hrs, heres betting they drop off before the end of say, erm Wednesday...
Nov 25th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25085753
The document referenced at # 73 above fall flat on its face at page 21 when it quotes paragraph 59 from the 1975 ICJ advisory opinion on Western Sahara. Paragraph 59 reads:
Nov 25th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The validity of the principle of self-determination, defined as the need to
pay regard to the freely expressed will of peoples, is not affected by the
fact that in certain cases the General Assembly has dispensed with
the requirement of consulting the inhabitants of a given territory.
Those instances were based either on the consideration that a certain
population did not constitute a “people” entitled to self-determination
or on the conviction that a consultation was totally unnecessary, in view
of special circumstances.'
What it fails to mention is paragraph 54 of the same advisory which reads:
“The Charter of the United Nations, in Article 1, paragraph 2, indicates,
as one of the purposes of the United Nations: ”To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples . . .” This purpose is further developed in
Articles 55 and 56 of the Charter. Those provisions have direct and particular relevance for non-self-governing territories, which are dealt with in Chapter XI of the Charter. As the Court stated in its Advisory Opinion of 21 June 1971 on The Legal Consequences for States of the Continued Presence of South Africa in Namibia (South West Africa) notwithstanding Security Council Resolution 276 (1970) :
“. . . the subsequent development of international law in regard to
non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United
Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of
them” (I.C.J. Reports 1971, p. 31).'
You have to love “ made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them”.
All the RG arguments that the Islanders do not have the right bite the dust!!!
There are two main debates around Scottish Independence.
Nov 25th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first is wholly sensible. Scotland returns a vast majority of Labour MPs and England usually returns a significant majority of Conservative MPs. There is a political gulf between what the two countries want and the way they want their countries governed.
Scottish Independence (or better still an adequate answer to the West Lothian question) would resolve this.
It is in both countries (and the Welsh too) interests to resolve the issue.
The second part of the independence debate is the ridiculous anti-English, Mel Gibson...nationalistic, jingoist bullshit.
The idea that Scottish independence in some way “spites” the English and removes Scotland from English colonial yoke. The English find these retards (probably which A-hole represents) a joke.
This is what drives the English opinion...stay or go...but stop bloody whinging we couldnt care less.
As I previously have stated...the best solution is to maintain the Union but with MAXIMUM devolution to Holyrood, Cardiff, Stormont...and all devolved issues only being voted on in Westminster by English MPs if that issue now concerns only England.
QED
If you Malvinistas ( 75% of Argentines no longer a give a stuff either way ) want these islands so badly , why not get Cristina to pay for them ?
Nov 25th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you offered every resident U$S 5 million to vote to become part of Argentina , you would surely get a majority .
2500 x 5000000 = U$S 12.5Bn .
The balcony speech would be priceless
“ Comrades , first the good news , we have recovered the sacred Malvinas . Now the bad news , we have doubled the national debt to pay for a worthless symbol of national pride , just like Peron did in 1948 , when he paid roughly the same amount in real terms for the tired and decrepid railways , at a time when trucks were rapidly replacing freight trains anyway” .
Peronism : Squandering Argentina's finacial reserves since 1946 .
120. Puerto Madero Penthouse? My guess is you've lost more on your PH than you could ever make in YPF stock.
Nov 25th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0127
Nov 25th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea what or who you think you are....
.... I do know what you are not....
.....a mind reader
....an Englishman
.....a Scotsman
....a Welshman
@127... “I believe Scotland will be leaving the Union next year”....Where have I ever said that?
......“as pulling off their nose to spite their face.”
No Englishman would ever confuse the idiom....“cut or cutting off their nose to spite their face”.....with “Pulling”...how do you even do that?
@132
....”.(and the Welsh too)“.....not us?
...”The English find“....not we?
....”and England usually returns “.....not we?
....“spites” the English”......not us?
.....“the English opinion”.....not our?
.....“concerns only England.”...not us?
So what are you and why do you think you know what the ”English or the Scots think.....?
I smell a Wannabe or Immigrant or both.....
What do I believe...?.....I believe you should mind your own business and stick to your bananas.....Stupid Monkey as you are not qualified to state what the Real English, Scots, Welsh or dare I say it...Northern Irish think.....
Will the real English, that live in England.....not Commonwealth Wannabes....Ex-pats or God knows what .....Please stand up...Please stand up....Please stand up....
......The White paper is late I'm sure they said 23rd Nov.....
.....Where is the 672 page.....comic book.....
.......Independence day?......24th March 2016.....
@133 That idea has already been suggested within the Argentine foreign ministry. They are (were?) thinking of offering U$S 1 million (not U$S 5 million) per head. Funny: the same guy who told me this got quite upset when I asked him if Argentina would be willing (say) to sell Misiones to Brasil ...
Nov 25th, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@136 : I don't think U$S 1M would tempt enough islanders to sell out .
Nov 25th, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Offshore oil , tourism and uranium mining will make them all very rich in the near future , so they'd might as well hang in there .
@136: That's what I told him. If the average income in the Falklands is U$S $55,400 now, just imagine in five or ten years ... Also, where could the Argentinean Government deposit the money without it being seized immediately to pay holdouts on Argentina's 2005 and 2010 exchange offers?
Nov 25th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha - I did really well with my real estate investments in BA and and in YPF - superb. Sounds like most of the commentators here wouldn't know how to make money if it was written to them in a book. Whilst you concern yourselves with average salaries I prefer to think about investments and how to make even more - oh life is so good here....
Nov 25th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoying a lovely champagne from Mendoza in the Puerto Madero penthouse with spectacular views over the Buenos Aires skyline - a magical city
#139
Nov 25th, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you admit to being a capitalist...Stevie and TTT will love you !
Do you keep your string of polo ponies (NOT HORSES) in your penthouse suite ? I presume that you just throw the horse shit on the peasantry below.
I'll give you one thing though, you produce more bullshit than your fellow Argie posters combined.
@139
Nov 25th, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is Rocinante these days?
Turnip at (130)
Nov 25th, 2013 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said this morning (about YPF)...:
“NYSE opens in what, 2 hrs, heres betting they drop off before the end of say, erm Wednesday...”
I say...:
Well...........
1) NYSE is close now and YPF sares went up 1,6% today...
2) YPF and REPSOL have just today signed an agreement over compensation...
3)Watch YPF shares skyrocket lets say, erm Wednesday...”
@ 120.... “in the Puerto Madero penthouse” .
Nov 26th, 2013 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0In another thread El Diego had an apartment in Las Cañitas to which poor Falkland Islanders were invited to watch him play polo - except that he couldn't spell the name of the neighbourhood properly and his Spanish was full of full of mistakes.
'El Diego' and 'Think' are stylistically the same person and that person does not even speak Spanish. (Pretending to be Argentinean could be considered a form of mental illness, don't you think, Dieguito? Why would one want to be a chronic loser?)
(143) rule_britannia
Nov 26th, 2013 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“'El Diego' and 'Think' are stylistically the same person and that person does not even speak Spanish.”
I say...:
O RLY?
El Diego is a fake Argie all right....
But me?.....Why don't you try my Spanish, fessor?
Ps:
(For your info, I'm more Argentinean than the “lule le lele” AND I spent some of my childhood just uphill La Imprenta :-)
Hahaha - the British poodles can't bear the thought that YPF has doubled my investment and will go on further to increase - by the way my Las Canitas apartment is available for rent but I doubt any of you British reprobates could afford it - hahaha
Nov 26th, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Ridiculous A-Hole
Nov 26th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English ancestors dating back to before the Norman conquest...seems like your ridiculous amateur spewing is as far from the mark as the rest of the shite that you spew.
Currently I live in England and therefore return an English MP to Westminster. I am keen that this MP when voting on issues that no longer impact Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, isnt negated by a vote from a now totally unaffected MP.
Funny how you “smell an immigrant”, interesting turn of phrase from you A-Hole. Although wrong in this case...interesting insight into your real thoughts.
You are a penis, a ridiculous cock...even if I was a 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation immigrant (which I am not) why would it matter...would I not be entitled to an opinion?
Clearly not in A-Holes world...pure bloods only...hahahahaha...what a knob....although probably the nearest thing there is to being a “pure-blood Brit”, I see no additional merit to this versus being an “immigrant that you smell”...weird.
So there you go A-hole...youve made yourself look a total moron...yet again...why do you keep doing it to yourself?
#145
Nov 26th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite right. We could not afford to pay the local crime lords protection money for the dubious pleasure of staying in a 3d world country.
So Diego , how well will YPF perform when Cristina takes all the profit to make an interim payment on the deficit , or to pay for a ship load of gas , or meet some unions outrageous pay demand ? The price will fall off a cliff .
Nov 26th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks to the dollar shortage , your virtual ( ie non existent ) real estate investments are worth 35% less than 2 years ago .
Enjoy your imaginary polo and malbec while out gathering cardboard .
Don't forget to feed your cartonero horse , it won't do to have another one die in street . Bad for the national image .
I love that Think and El Diego only talk about when YPF etc go up. Take a look at anything BUT the 1yr chart and you'll see the real picture. Remember that stock used to be at U$60+. Funny how you can happen to invest in it at just the right time but be piss poor at timing the RE market.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I watch the BA RE market and NOTHING is selling. Your place is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So right now it may be worth 1/2 of what it was worth 2-3 yrs ago. Maybe not.
@ Monkeymagic
Nov 26th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So to clarify a little bit your emigrations status...
Are you Pakistani, Nigerian, Indian, Polish, Jamaican or what???
YPF is growing and making money and will continue to do so as this is strategic - that's why the share price more than doubled and I and other more intelligent people made a fortune - thanks to all you investment tips on here NOT - hahaha
Nov 26th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also made a killing with my various properties that have more than doubled in value !!! I even have some I rent out and get paid in USD with a yield that is one of the highest in the world - hahaha - more custard in the face of the dumb Brits -
Off to Puerto Madero for lunch to review some new property deals - making a fortune from dumb gringos who need money quick and selling at rock bottom rates to get there cash back - planning to sell it back to them in a few years time - hahaha - easy money !!
146
Nov 26th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That hurt didn't it Stupid Monkey....I knew I was right! I see you have avoided saying it again.....“I have British ancestors”.....“Currently I live in England ”...So what.
Not.... I am English!!!
Your opinions on the thoughts of English/Scots are now irrelevant....foreign Monkey you are just a Wannabe....I can smell your foreignness in your words...
Fee Fi Fo Fum I smell the blood of a...........Cuckoo
Where did you say you were born Stupid Monkey?????
Hahahahaha.....would that be England....tell me about Pulling your nose again...that was funny!!
It only takes one stupid monkey mistake to reveal yourself and unfortunately it can't be taken back...........Foreigner.....Wannabe.......Exposed....
151. Every Rgs with some U$ and a brain cell is buying property in the USA not in Argentina.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So that tells me all I need about you.
Perhaps you were one of those gringos who has to sell your BA apt at a giveaway price so you can get your USD out - hahaha - we love it - bargain prices at 40% of what they paid for them only a few years ago!! If you cant stand the heat and not in it for the long term dont invest in the country
Nov 26th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My own bank account just keeps growing and growing and helps pay for the team of polo ponys I am competing with this year!
Nope I got out long ago. Glad you are doing well but you are one of the very few. Most of your countrymen are living on less than U$1 day.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should help them.
The last time I was there the streets were teeming with cartaneros, it was sad to see the 5 y/o kids sorting cardboard. One little 5-6 y/o girl sticks in my mind, she was so dirty w/fi;thy clothes and was selling gum or something from table to table in the restaurant where I was eating lunch.
And this was a supposed boom time.
Disgraceful.
Simply disgraceful.
The poverty is just overwhelming in BA!
Diego : You are almost as good an economist as Dany Berger .....
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why invest in property that has lost 40% of it's value in 2 years , particularly as you can squat for free in Villa 31 with all the rest of your cartonero mates ?
you were lucky then but you need to have a long term perspective - I help as much as I can and so does the government and thats why they have won the last few election by restributing wealth to those in need - but thats considered to be marxist or something by some of the Brit reprobates on this forum - w
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that said you should go and have a walk around in Detroit or some of the other depressed US cities and see the poverty and suffering all around - I would say its much worse there and here kids dont go around in the schools mass murdering and shooting other children
Same in London or Paris and you will see lots of caroneros there also
Er, that's probably because the kids are picking through trash to find their next meal rather than attending school.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had an Rg maid that couldn't read or write!
I travel all the time the only other capital Ive been to that has more overt poverty than BA is La Paz although I've not been to Caracas. That may be worse but its too dangerous for me to go there.
I hear you should only walk in groups now in BA when it is dark since it is so dangerous.
156 Usurping Pirate - duh
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you ever heard the maxum buy low sell high?
Remember all the reprobates on this site slagging off YPF a year ago and nobody wanted to invest - well guess what - the share price has more than doubled in value. Thats what good investors do and obviously not many here understand that
Diego, The share price of YPF along with the rest of MERVAL reflects the limited ability for Rgs to invest in other vehicles, can't keep the money in bank, property is decreasing, rents are decreasing, peso is crashing so stocks even though they are super risky are increasing.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't expect it can last though
YPF will get de-listed from NYSE at some point in the near future, or maybe the Arg gov't owned shares will be seized by the holdouts.
A lot can happen in a year.
A-hole
Nov 26th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again, to my knowledge I have no foreign blood, although I am sure there must be some French, German DNA there.
So you are just making a cunt of yourself YET AGAIN.
It is your ignorant asinine spewings that are irrelevant.
I was born in Bournemouth, now Dorset, then Hampshire.
How about you dickhead? Of course you won't say will you cockhead,,,it's irrelevant anyway...buenos Aires or Glasgow or even Mars..you are still and ignorant peasant moron..,who makes a cock of himself every time he posts.
So dickhead...next ridiculous humiliation for you....lol...moron
Yankee - a couple of points - first you havent travelled much in Latin America or really understood the cities you have been to otherwise you would know that BA is one of the cities with less poverty in Latin America despite what you may see there - believe me by far this is the case
Nov 26th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second - I heard all the YPF stories before but the facts speak for themselves - the share price has more than doubled, the drilling rig count is the biggest growth story in all of Latin America right now and the goverment need to reduce costly gas imports and bit by bit new investment if going in there and they are closing a deal with Repsol not to mention the world class reservoirs in Neuquen and possibilities for more in other areas -
I would say there is nothing suggest here that YPF will be delisted and to the contrary will continue to grow - the results are there
Oh well ... its not as big as the London riots.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ooooooops......
Nov 26th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YPF shares UP by 10.21% today....
Still one hour to go...
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=662043
161
Nov 26th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too little too late, save your lies.....you were exposed and now at the top of the Wannabe list.....meaning any comment relating to opinions of UK folk are deemed irrelevant.
Off you pop....you are now dismissed....
Unless you would like to amuse, with some more “Strange” idioms....;-))))))
I've got a few for you to try.....
.....A French Fry On Your Shoulder:
.....Woofing Up The Wrong Tree:
.....A Leopard Can't Change His Socks:
.....Gravy Is Thicker Than Water:
.....Curiosity Killed The Bat
....Monkey see, Monkey poo
.....Hey ...steer clear of Hartlepool....they hang foreign Monkeys....
Think, How come you don't post about the falling and failing peso?
Nov 26th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give up already?
Diego, I have been 31 countries, which includes all of SA except Paraguay. I think you have not traveled much and are still living on the myth that BA is a top city. Maybe a generation ago you could claim that but not any longer.
Because the falling peso doesnt matter - my business is done in dollars or dollar equivalents - I buy YPF shares in dollars , my real state deals are done in dollars, my rents are collectedin dollars or peso equivalents pegged to the value of the dollar - who cares about the falling peso ?
Nov 26th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being in the city and understanding it are two different things - go check poverty statistics in other cities then come back and prove BA is the worst - I don't think you will find the proof
Go walk around Retiro and tell me about abject poverty
Nov 26th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go walk down any street in BA around 8 and see the children picking through garbage looking for dinner.
If you are not concerned about the failing peso you are an idiot.
I feel sorry for you, you sounds as dumb as my landlords who put all their U$ into a property I rented, they paid U$750K for it and I offered them 250K. They were devastated.
Even with your elaborate lies you still seem dumb.
Oh well that's why your society gets poorer and dumber every year.
Well they made a bad investment if it's fallen by that much - I can sympathize but again they should be thinking long term and be able to absorb risk in any emerging market before buying
Nov 26th, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I could say go and look at the favellas in Brazil, Bolivia, Colombia and Venezuela - they dont even have a train station in where to look for food - normally they search for food on the rubbish dumps
Never seen the dump but there's plenty of people going through the piles of garbage on every street.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BA is worse than what I saw in Brazil and Colombia better than La Paz but our town dump is a better place to live than La Paz.
FYI their property is in Recoleta and it still has not recovered its sales price and never will. Plus I know they've lowered the rent again. Those poor people should have bought something in Miami like the smart Rgs.
I would say to them don't sell unless they really need those dollars and wait for a better offer or for this to play itself out - a 750 k apt in Recoleta should generate a good rental income even at blue rate
Nov 26th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First, they can't sell. Nobody can. The RE market is worse than 2001. Especially on the high end.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The rental market was good for about 5/20 yrs. It is going down now. I just checked Topimobiliario and prices are way down as compared to when I lived there.
If they would have invested in NY, DC, Chicago when they did a 750K place would be worth 3-5X more than they paid and rents would have gone up tremendously. Now they are stuck with a property they can't sell with HUGE expenses and taxes every month. They are barely breaking even.
Unless you are doing something against the law or not paying your taxes there are really no good investments for the avg UNCONNECTED person in Argentina. You're much better off keeping your U$ out of the country if you can't move altogether.
@144. OK, Think. Here is is test question number one:
Nov 27th, 2013 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0¿Te acordás de Disneylandia los domingos? ¿A qué hora empezaba? [Si no tenés edad, preguntáselo a tu padre].
Hint: we are talking about 1967 or thereabouts.
Poor A-hole
Nov 27th, 2013 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having to deliberately lie now to add to your imbecilic drivel.
I have told you repeatedly that i am British, born in Britain with (to the best of my knowledge) entirely british ancestory.
You want to lie..fine by me..iot make you look a cock..but probably less so than the normal crap that you spout..so while you waste your time lying about me at least you a not polluting the boards with your other useless, pointless inaccurate shit.
Here is another strange idiom for you.
Ahole is also a useless cunt...how can that be??,,,two holes are better than one!
Off to Miami this weekend then up to Wellington and close a deal on some polo ponies I am selling to the gringos - mmmm looking forward to the weekend in South Beach with my Brazilian girlfriend - should get a chance to take the Ferrari for a spin - then plan my next investments in Argentina
Nov 27th, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Diego, be careful you're setting yourself up for a kidnapping. That's the reason I left that dangerous country.
Nov 27th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@176 El Diego is a fake Argie (see Think #144 ).
Nov 27th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0177. I know, he is so stupid to realize his wild stories don't make any sense to anyone who has actually lived and invested in Argentina.
Nov 27th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody and I mean nobody with a brain cell is investing in Arg right now, well unconnected people that is. Everyone I know is getting whatever U$ they have out as fast as possible.
BCRA is spending U$100+MM/Day supporting the peso AND IT IS STILL FALLING! They are going to what little reserves that have knowing they will default next year and will have a little more breathing room.
@Monkeymagic
Nov 27th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! poor Monkeymagic just another foreigner pretending to be English...
Ya ain’t Englishhhhhhhhhh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuhT155m2qM
So I guess here we need you to pass our Life in the UK test specially conceived for these cases.
To be fair here you can find helpful information about life in Britain so you can prepare yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuhT155m2qM
Questionnaire:
1-If in an English Pub someone performs a terrorist attack by throwing lethal weapons to the crow. What do you think will scare them more?
A) A set of tools to work harder in the construction sector?
B) A warning from BBC TV license unpaid?
C) A JSA note telling them that their benefit is going to be cut?
D) A letter from the local “Job Centre” telling them that jobs are available for them?
Note: This is a progressive test and according with your answer you will be entitle or not top pass to next level.
Thank You in Advance, we always happy to incorporate more Britishness to our nation.
178 yankeeboy = here comes the most uninformed comment of the day - not untypical for a thick Gringo or Reprobate Brit that know nothing about investing and have a superficial knowledge of Argentina and hence they lose money and assume everybody else is as stupid and dumb as they are....
Nov 27th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Nobody and I mean nobody with a brain cell is investing in Arg right now”
Er: Chevron, Shell, PAE, BP, Schlumbeger, Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Calfrac, Wetaherford, and the list goes on - they are all investing billions and making a lot of money - its the biggest growth market in Latin America right now!!!
The thing is that you reprobates are pure amateurs and dont know shit about investing - the best deals can be had now if you have USD
But alas you lot continue to talk down Argentina and the rest of us are making a fortune down here - hahaha - what a bunch of suckers!
Diego, Obviously you don't know the difference between fluff PRs and FUNDING.
Nov 27th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All together those companies haven't invested anywhere near U$1B! Plus the largest o/g , Apache is pulling out!
BTW Baker Hughes is showing DECREASED RIG COUNT MOM:
Argentina Gas Rotary Rigs Oct 2013 17.00 -26.09%
Argentina Inland Rotary Rigs Oct 2013 66.00 4.76%
Argentina Miscellaneous Rotary Rigs Oct 2013 0.00 -100.0%
Argentina Offshore Rotary Rigs Oct 2013 46.00 -2.13%
Argentina Oil Rotary Rigs Oct 2013 83.00 -4.60%
There is as much chance of those companies putting in U$ Billions as the bullet train to Rosario getting built.
You are a dullard.
Dany
Nov 27th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would any terrorist throw a lethal weapon to the crow or to any other member of the Corvid genus ?
What would any crow be doing in the pub ?
I can assure you from the highest of levels that much more than 1 billion USD is going in there and growing - you can try and be King Canute but we know what happened to him - for us the problem is we cant keep up with the demand for our equipment and services!
Nov 27th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a tip on rig count analysis - try looking at it year on year rather than month on month and you may get more of an insight - but then again you also believed that YPF was a bad investment 12 months ago but hey the YPF share price is up around 150% and a deal is reached with Repsol - but hey lets not confuse any Argentina bias and a simpleton media driven view of investing with the facts on the ground.............
Pemex will announce another large investment as will some others shortly and you guys will be blindsided once again while the rest of us are making a fortune - its my most profitable business right now and when the devaluation comes my profits will be even higher - hahaha
In Dec 2012 Baker Hughes had 420 Rigs in Latin American and in Oct 2013 they had 420 rigs in Lating America.
Nov 27th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 075 in Argentina
Gasp!
Wow yes it is growing like crazy!
Whew!
Dullard.
182
Nov 27th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's obvious what the crow was doing in the pub....
It was after a pint of Crow..n Lager...
or a pint of Scrumpy Jack..daw
or a pint of Raven Ale from the Orkney's...
...a loss of a D is nothing to Crow about anyway.......
At least Dany doesn't pretend to be English unlike some....Foreign Monkey Chops....;-)))
Yankee - there are 104 rigs currentl drilling in Argentina from 80 last year and will be 149 next year - check your data as it's wrong or talk with somebody who knows about the oil and gas industry in Argentina
Nov 27th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you think YPF increased production? How do you think the share prices and earnings have been growing ? With no rig increase?
You clearly are not in touch with reality on the ground my friend - there is a mini boom going on and you are stuck in your cognitive bias whilst those in the know are making money - hahaha
149 rigs drilling IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY!
Nov 27th, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Less than 2% of what we have going in the USA at any given time!
Bahahaha
Yeah you'll work yourself out of this deficit right quick.
Invest everything you have quickly!
#185
Nov 27th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How droll ! I gave her credit for meaning what she posted.
To stop this “typo” all that is needed is to read your post critically before pressing SEND. Simples !
As far as crowing goes, I'll leave that to you.
188
Nov 27th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not saying much on the Salmond thread...I thought you would be fighting the good fight...
Is Dany a she?
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Nov 27th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@190 OK, me convenciste Pero te perdiste los dibujitos de los domingos. El programa empezaba a las 19:00 [Tato Bores era para los adultos.]
Nov 28th, 2013 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Te mando un abrazo.
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