MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands oil exploration exposed to jail and fines according to Argentine law
Argentina has threatened oil firms seeking to operate off the Falkland Islands with 15-year jail terms, huge fines and confiscation of assets in a fresh salvo in the dispute with Britain over South Atlantic islands sovereignty. But UK reiterated that Argentine law does not apply to Falklands or British Overseas Territories. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment ruleshahahahahahahahahahahaha....pmsl.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahahahahahahahahaha....roflmao
Like we care what the Argies think.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next they will be ordering the Falkland islanders to drive on the Right Hand Side.
You cannot make or uphold laws in/on lands you don't control.
Bahahahahahahahahaha LMFAO!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentine domestic law does not apply to the Falkland Islands or South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, which are UK overseas territories.“
Derrr! I'd be embarrassed if this was my government making laws for the country next door.
It is quoting a 37 year old resolution that states
”Calls upon the two parties to refrain from taking decision that would imply introducing unilateral modifications in the situation while the islands are going the process recommended in the above mentioned resolutions”
And what the hell was the Argentine invasion in 1982? If that wasn't unilaterally introducing modifications in the situation then what the hell is?
Economic development by the inhabitants is well within their rights. Much to Argentina's continuing frustration.
Not this again!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many years have they been saying this?
They don't seem to understand that everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, knows that Argentina has no AUTHORITY over someone else's territory. Even the Argentine government KNOWS this.
More rubbish to be swallowed up by the La Campora trolls and other deluded types like the Malvinistas.
In the meantime, the people are bearly able to make both ends meet.
This poor deluded woman and that poor deluded country. When will they learn that the UK is not Uruguay or Chile or Paraguay, we don't have to be nice to Argentina and tell them what they want to hear to keep the peace.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't give a toss what Argentina say or do.
Another pathetic Argie measure... all bark and no bite, as the old saying goes.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahhaah you invaded you fools thats sort of runs a small armoured car over the resoultion, that promptly got bogged in and got used for target practice 20 years later.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and the confiscation of equipment and any hydrocarbons that would have been illegally extracted.”
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0And how exactly are they going do that then, invade Falklands waters?
Christ, a drilling rig WILL be going to the FALKLANDS at the end of 2014 to carry on drilling. The whisper is that the“ LIBERTAD ” is going to be sent to the FALKLANDS to sequester the rig and tow it to BA. I have booked a flight to watch the comedy drama unfold.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such thing as the “Argentine continental shelf” in the immediate area of the Islands.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10482599/Argentina-issue-threats-over-Falkland-Islands-oil-exploration.html
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they realise how stupid they appear to the CIVILISED world?
Argentina will continue to knock on doors and windows over the Falklands for as long as it doesn't want better trade and relations. So be it.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where is Marcos, Thunk, the sage of Dover, Dunny Bugger and Toby the tit. Take up your pens, Gollum is waiting ! The Banana Republic of Colonialists just keeps on giving... Rglands continental shelf was insecurely fixed and fell off. Hahahahaha etc...
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly, have we not PNG-ed her yet?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I appreciate a good comedy act as much as the next person, but the same joke wears a bit thin after a while.
ldiots!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they really think that we give a brass razoo what stupid laws they pass?
Maybe our Police Force should summons the whole shower of thems for driving on the wrong side of the road.
So now just when they may be getting things worked out with Repsol they go and shoot themselves in the OTHER foot!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0With the way O/G companies form partnerships and have lots of inter-related entries working on multiple projects this will limit lots of the biggest and best O/G companies from WORKING IN ARGENTINA.
Their STUPIDITY AND ARROGANCE is flabbergasting.
Who agrees that it is time that Alicia Castro should be asked to go home because of her Undiplomatic activities in the UK?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shit, this is serious. Does it mean I will not be able to go to Argentina ever again. Oh no.........my life is bereft. Oh well, I'll just stay here, or go everywhere else instead. Ho hum, silly Argies, what next ?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I always thought argies spoke spanish. Has Brunette Barbie changed argieland language to barking because of their crisis and created laws to foreign, independent civilized countries?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with #16 yankeeboy above what a stupid move!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many of the big 'majors' have they now put an obstacle in front of should, in the unlikely event that any (the big 'majors') have contemplated investing in the Dark Country.
These RG's just do not seem to 'think these things through'.
The British public are starting to get sick of this crap, Argentina should have been destroyed in 1982.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its illegal to burn an Argie flag.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im going to burn (another) one today. Come get me weak argies.
21 that option would have been a lot more simple, give it back to the native population i say. bunch of bullys, Do what we say. least we can use it to justify increased naval presents in the area to protect shipping routes from Pirates.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooh can we go to war Argies?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all we're only 'pirates'. Arrgh jim lad
“15-year jail terms, huge fines and confiscation of assets” Wow, that's scary. How about Britain responds with “Any actions against British/Falklands ”assets“, or companies contracted thereto, may be met by a salvo of 120 Tomahawk cruise missiles”?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But jail terms, huge fines and confiscation of assets depends on getting something before a court that has jurisdiction. Guess everybody avoids argieland. Would another latam “state” like to get involved? How many are ready for the RN to be nearby and the RAF overhead? And the attentions of RM Commandos and the SAS? Ecuador maybe? Breaking off diplomatic relations? Expulsion of diplomatic mission from UK! Seizure of whatshisname! Or will he be shot trying to escape?
Not sure if anyone agrees but Castro often looks in certain photos a nasty hard faced cow.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Confiscation of assets? Like to see them try.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take it to the IC J or let it go. Oh yes. Argentina would loose big time.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....almost spilt ma early mornin java into ma lap....Cant beat starting off the day with a good laugh...erm,dont these Argie dwarfs get it?..NO ONE really cares what these lunatics keep bleating about,and sooner or later(once again)they will step completely outa line and“once again” get slapped down...its just a matter of time...!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 31/49 in pdf
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/302/32/IMG/NR030232.pdf?OpenElement
Entry to the list of Resolutions 1 December 1976
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/302/32/IMG/NR030232.pdf?OpenElement
Resolution broken by Argentine military forces 2nd April 1982
In other news, Alicia Castro attempts to return her library books 20 years overdue but claims 'I'm not the person now that I was then so I shouldn't be held to account for the fines'.
@30,
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the 1982 invasion wasn't Argentina so it doesn't count.
@31, it never counts when Argentina violates or walks way from a UN resolution binding or otherwise. 1982, this year in February. Compliance is always for the other guys - and it has been. The UK (while some Brits dismiss this) has been in true-UN-baby-blue compliance with binding and nonbonding resolutions and the charter the whole time while AR has lied, broken them and blown smoke through it all, because they know they have no claim on or right to the Islands.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0knarfw
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was the point I was trying to make with the 'library fine' ''news''.
Now we know why Argentina's neighbours hate argies
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first 33 responses gives me the mental scence of a huge teenager's hair parlor, women with perm machines on and others full of curlers, hearing Luis Miguel or Diego Torres is outside the door. All the hysteria, running around, scurrying, clamoring.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These laws are not to prevent anything in the Falklands.
These laws are to prevent BRITISH law to take effect in Argentine territory, which is what the British government has been pushing, basically since forever.
@35 Tobias
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British aren't trying to push British law onto Argentine territory.
Argentina hasn't got the right to try and push Argentine law onto British territory: namely the Falkland Islands and it's Exclusive Economic Zone - as recognised by United Nation Convention on Laws of the Sea.
Argentina are appearing petty, stupid and weak to the rest of the world, 1stly by making these statements (which they have been making for the past 3 years anyway), and the fact that EVERYONE KNOWS that Argentina can't enforce these laws onto someone else's territory as they HAVE NO JURISDICTION.
The only way to try and enforce your will on someone else's territory is militarily (you tried that remember? And you LOST, LOST, LOST!!!!), or economically...which you are trying but the only people noticing any
negative effects are Argentine's.
Your government is like a fly. Slightly annoying buzzing around impotently, but one day it'll get swatted and be put out of its self inflicted misery.
By the way are you the real Tobias? Your spelling and grammar appear BAD today.
Maybe your just embarrassed at how pathetic and impotent your government make Argentina look to the whole world.
@35 The Truth PaTroll why were these two people judged to be the sexiest couple in Argentina 1954 jajaja
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKKAqo21h5Q
Dam these two belong in the horror section in Madame Tusards.
@36
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no concerns of how the rest of the world views Argentina. All I am concerned about of ensuring is that there is never rapprochement between argentine people and Europe.
I don't agree with this law, but not for the law itself, which is sound. I just don't believe the Falklands are our territory, so this law is superfluous under that context.
The only reason I believe that is because of the Falklanders wishes, that is it. I have no interest in meeting or engaging with them, they are a meaningless, microscopic community to me with no effect on my life.
The British and Europeans can go to hell as far as I'm concerened, however.
“”“These laws are to prevent BRITISH law to take effect in Argentine territory, which is what the British government has been pushing, basically since forever.”“”“
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0glad to see that Tobias now admits the Falklands have been British ”basically since forever.”
Took his time to get in line with the rest of the rational world but he made it finally.
Meanwhile, back in the Asylum... Castro and cronies are still playing with toys in make-believe land.
its rather funny how much good free press the Argentine government give the Falklands. :-0
@39
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are far more dimwitted than I thought then. From day one I have said the Falklands are British.
That is what you lot fail to understand do you. You can't get in your thick little skulls that someone can dislike / hate Europeans for other reasons, but the Falklands. You think I want nothing to do with the British because of the islands? You are stupid.
I have always said I want the islanders to have their wishes respected.
I want nothing to do with the British people, or the German people, or Italian people, or Spanish people, or Polish people, or French people, are ______ from Europe people, out of principle of wanting nothing to do with people that are ennemies of my country.
@40 Tobias
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's those bloody Albanians you've really got to watch out for.
Yes yes yes little Poland==Saddam.... Buts now you say that the Islands have the right to be left alone but no right to their own waters... Stupid angry little racist isolationist boy. You can't have isolation AND claim right rights to other peoples EEZ.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet the Poles don't even realize they are an enemy of Argentina.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I watch out for all of you. Shocking I know, but people tend to really dislike those that think are culturally, morally, physically, spiritually, and genetically superior to you.
That is what Europeans think by default, end of story.
What is verily quite shocking is why would anyone endowed with an ounce of common sense, want anyone else (me or argentines in this case), to foster “friendly” relations with people like that, when we all know, as soon as you leave the conferece room where the colloquy (or should I use “palaver”) transpired, you know they will immediately talkup the absolute worst opprobrium and derogation of how “inferior” we are... (and then make policy decisions towards us that subliminaly and not so covertly convey those philosophies. That's how the British think, the Germans, the French, the Spanish, and all the rest. Argentine people are inferior, and we should screw them and their country whenever we have a shot at it.
Same for the last 200 years, really.
Well we wised up.
@Gordo1
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in the real world in the uncivilised Dark Kingdom people are arrested and injured because they act like crazy monkeys desperate for bananas trying to buy goods with discounts in supermarkets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/10484012/Black-Friday-arrests-and-violence-as-shoppers-clamour-for-discounts.html
Well I guess that Argentina can enforce her law in other countries and expropriate oil, assets, etc. from companies and individuals that have been identify to participate in oil exploration in Faklistan.
Since when are Argentinians not European?, did i miss something?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From they one I have said they have the right to their government and to their EEZ.
As the wicked pirate that you are, you fail to comprehend that Argentina not giving up HER EEZ to you Brits (in engaging in cooperation and fishing treaties with you), is not the same as denying the EEZ to the Falklands.
The Falklanders can have their EEZ. What you will not have is OURS.
They don't WANT your EEZ and you know it, Poland==Saddam. YOUR country wants the Falklands EEZ AND the Falklands themselves, and that too you know and likewise you know that *that* is what the O.P. is all about. Stop lying to us and most importantly to your paranoid self, pretending that it's otherwise.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you do. You have tried many times, directly, or indirectly, to control the territory today called Argentina. Militarily, with invasion, with economic blockades, you even tried economic investment for a time, then again blockade, then sleazy negotation through “Fishing agreements” designed to take the Argentine fishermen out of business and leave the entire ocean for your pickings, including our EEZ.
Of course my government wants the Falklands, and I completely reject this policy. Or do I have to agree with everything my government does?
So I guess you were for invading Iraq and preemptively kiling 100 thousand children there right?
“I want nothing to do with the British people, or the German people, or Italian people, or Spanish people, or Polish people, or French people, are ______ from Europe people, out of principle of wanting nothing to do with people that are ennemies of my country.”
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then why Toby, do you spend so much time on this web site? Please explain? And how are you getting on surrounded by them, you are certainly not in RGland, thats obvious.
And Dany, are you jealous that we have the cash to splurge out on days like today - sounds to me you are. Even if you actually have any money you cant even get abroad because of CFKs $ clamp.
Life sucks for RGs dont it? Carry on picking up cardboard by night....
@49 I've told you before Tobes, we *really* don't want to take over Argentina - it's far too infested with morons, brainwashed drones and lazy Campora scum. I feel pity for the minority of the population who are actually rational and intelligent. We're keeping the Antarctic though ;)
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since when are Argentinians not European?, did i miss something?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really don't understand how Mr think, thinks Argentinians are anything but Europeans (with a tiny amount of native DNA).
52)
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 % of Argentines have at least one indian ancestor
http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2005/01/16/sociedad/s-03415.htm
56% is fairly the same amount of 54% people that voted for Kirchnerism in 2011
Sra. Castro 'on a mission'.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her photo could only be bettered by actually putting a bit between her teeth ... but then ... who would want to?
#45
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can certainly agree that it is the Dark Kingdom just now. It is 1610 GMT and it is pitch dark. More from the Dark Kingdom.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24970066
Over and above this £33 million has been donated by the public.
I tried to find figures for Argentina but failed. Could you help me with that one. As you spend a good deal of your time trolling, you should find this simple.
Here is one about the conduct of Argentinians randomly picked from the net. Like you I could post meaningless items about how crap Argentina is but it would only make me as sorry an individual as you.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/feb/15/philippines-argentina-boxer-johnriel-casimero
@44 Tobias
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I confess I was being facetious - if you can find the film adaption of Mario Vargas Llosa's book Aunt Julia and the Scriptwriter the humour will become apparent.
I can't speak for anyone else, but all I would want for Argentinian's ( if anyone asked me ) is what I would want for any people anywhere - to be able to live their lives in peace and and at least have the opportunity to find prosperity. It seems to me in order for that to happen treating it's neighbors and the nations it maintains diplomatic relations with, with respect is part of the deal. This law is simply perverse.
Despite your suspicions regarding Europeans, it could be a lot worse. Witness what is occurring in Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Afghanistan between supposed brothers.
If isolation will provide your nation with the independence you crave - along with prosperity and security - I wish you luck, but I have yet to hear of a convincing argument that this is achievable.
The man himself, Ban Ki-Moon confirmed on 12th November 2012 that the UK was not in breach of ANY 'relevant' UN resolutions over the Falklands.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.worldpress.com/2012/11/12/un-confirms-that-britain-is-not-in-breach-of-resolutions-over-the-falklands/
Argentina is firmly entrenched in La, La land.
Little wonder that the country is rated down in 102nd place in the World's Corruption Perception Index, sandwiched in between Benin and Burkina Faso. Lol.
18 what a pity we wont be able to enjoy of your presence......
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Link to 57
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/un-confirms-that-britain-is-not-in-breach-of-resolutions-over-falklands/
@53 CD, most diversity experts (not to mention first nation folk) would disagree with that line, and this New-world Old-world schism to justify double standards or judgement against Europe is so overrated and lame, especially since there are no fully sovereign first nation nations in our hemisphere. At the national scale are all implanted cultures and populations.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have family that came over on the Mayflower and like your cited article, I also have Berengial pedestrians in my family tree and only about 3-4 generations back. But I am still classified (and identify) implicitly as being of European extraction genetically and culturally as do most Argentines. I vote in a republican form of democracy that was extracted from European mindsets as do you (though our models and their application have clearly diverged in various ways and no republic is exactly alike). I may be an atheist and neither pray to Jesus nor sacrifice people to make sure the sun rises but I still cannot deny my judeo-christian upbringing moral background code and hangups which, despite what the LDS claim, is as implanted from over the Atlantic as English, Portuguese and Spanish. I support the out-of-africa migration theory and not the New-World Creationist politically correct accommodation mythology. And it still isn't obvious, and I grant you that in a written media, I still dress right out of the Preppy Handbook. (Some would say that if the last two items don't disqualify me as being “fist nationy” nothing will!).
While the first nation dependency in my can be counted in a middle school wood shop teachers hand, I could never be considered or mistaken for a native american, not even an “apple” as some of my contrarian but more genuinely native american colleagues are. And most white new-worlders with smidgens of those otherwise “special” haploids are the same, including Argentines who by demographics likewise identify in practice, if not by acclimation, as “white” not “red”.
The White Argentine is a myth perpetuated by foreigners to justify deprivation of seisin to 40 million “inferiors”, as the Euros and North Ams see us.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines are not European.
We ain't going anywhere.
The North Americans are the ones who should start packing. Anyone met a “red” native American in New York, Washington, Chicago?
No, because they were exterminated by the English and then their bastard offspring.
Fact
Nov 29th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentinian government passes law that could see oil company executives imprisoned if they set foot on Argentinian soil”
Result
“Most of the oil ”majors“ such as BP have so far steered clear of the area fearing it could jeopardise their chances of working on the mainland”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/28/argentina-jail-threat-over-falklands-drilling
@26 Oh, I agree. Stupid as well.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 It's “lose”, not “loose”.
@30 No General Assembly resolutions are binding.
@35 You mean because it's fair and equitable. Can't have that in argieland. CFK would have been in prison for the last 10 years.
@38 Now you know how we feel about you. Difference is in what we CAN do to you.
@40 “enemies of my country”. Best you remember that!
@44 Okay, so why don't you toss anything “European” in origin out of “your” country?
@61 I don't see the problem. Do you have a problem admitting that you are inferior? Virtually every comment you make proves it!
@62 Don't be silly. Warships from every “concerned” nation off “your” coast and ready to open fire? How to watch argieland running scared. We've been playing hardball a lot longer than you.
(56) Mr. Heisenbergcontext
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”I can't speak for anyone else, but all I would want for Argentinian's ……… is to be able to live their lives in peace….....
It seems to me in order for that to happen treating it's neighbors and the nations it maintains diplomatic relations with, with respect is part of the deal. This law is simply perverse.”
I say…:
I think to remember that you are an informed Australian quite proud of his young Country’s stand and intervention in the Timor-Leste troubles….
Let me put it this way…:
What if, somebody (Let’s say…. China) had profited from that newborn Country’s weakness and, using their military might, taken a little pretty island (Let's say.... Pulau Jaco) and ”transmigrasi”(ed) some thousands Han chinese to it….
What if, on that basis, they were now claiming full territorial, mineral and fishing rights over half of the Timor Sea?
Would it, in your opinion be ”Perverse” for the Timorese to pass legislation defending themselves from such foreign encroachment?
@63
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can do nothing to us without destroying your country in the process (economicaly, politicaly, internationaly)
2014, not 1804.
It was a simply naughty racist joke my comment No 53 .... But I see what you mean. Yeah it doesn't make any sense to blame modern European's for genocide when its in our own genes we carry the ones whom are to blame for.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not so long ago Argentine general culture classified itself as of “European ancestry”... During the last decade Argentina has become more anti Western and Anti European and more pro-Latin Americanist and writers like Eduardo Galeano pointing fingers at the outsiders for everything.
Whitening policy was conducted by the ruling elites in the XIX Century but failed as most of the immigrants from Europe were single males or soldiers that arrived at the indian encampments raped every girl that was found.
Yes into different extend we are implanted peoples and cultures in all of the Americas.
The Truth PaTroll (#)....Man oh man...what a lunatic...!!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 : you will nevef get the falklands without destroying your country in the process (economicaly, politicaly, internationaly) and still failing
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English Mike
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That be the same major companies that are biting off YPF's hand to invest, would it?
Result.
56 Heisenbergcontext
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......slipping
Neighbours, Everybody needs good neighbours
With a little understanding
You can find the perfect blend
Neighbours...should be there for one another
That's when good neighbours become good friends
Ooh Neighbours, should be there for one another
That's when good neighbours become good friends.
@ 62 Marcos Alejandro
Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders have got all the investment they need to get their oil out of the ground, it’s going to happen and nothing Argentina can really do about it
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All oil companies, big and small, have stayed away from Argentina, for fear of being “Repsol’d”. The only exception being “over an Ecuadorian barrel” Chevron, who cough up a pittance.
Do you really think that arbitrarily threatening to throw people in jail for 15 years at a stretch, is going to encourage anybody to invest in Argentina?
@22
Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can I just say, why burn an Argie flag. Just piss on it because you can do it whenever you like, not illegal I think.
@The Truth PaTroll ,How can you hate Europeans when your granny obviously screwded a Spanish pirate or was it a Nazi?????? is your hatred more to do with shame?????
Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously 'no', Pugol,
Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but I do think that some time, sooner rather than later, the present 'democratic' leadership will be no more.
Then 'we' will all shake our heads in amazement that 'we' supported such aberrations and thought they were right and good.
I think many a good man in post-war Germany or in post-Cold War East Germany (to name but two examples of thousands) must have thought the same.
One day I hope to see the same sort of recognition in the faces of Bush and Blair that I saw in the Frost interview with Nixon.
But I doubt that Bush, Blair or Cristina will ever come to terms with the fact that they destroyed their respective countries.
These laws are totally invalid outside of Argentinian waters,
Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They can only be enforced against companies that are trading or sited on argentine territory,
The simply answer to that little problem, is that all personnel, companies ect who wish to go to or trade with the Falklands, just withdraw or not go to argentina, full stop
Let’s see how much of an impact that has on her silly childish ideas …
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Not sure I would put any world leader in the same category as the botox queen-she's simply a nasty cow.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicken or pasta?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fcuk That woman makes me laugh!
Argies on a hostage hunt?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These news dont even come out in Argentina and they are oriented to companies outside Argentine jurisdiction.... I just dont get it.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the Argentine gov't that serious about this in London??
Marcos, guess with you not understanding how the oil industry works it is fair for you to assume that the oil majors are frightened off the Falklands by your ranting presidenta - but, and Beef can correct me if I am wrong- The Falklands is still a frontier zone with some potewntial but not yet ascertyained for sure if there is more. Hence the big boys quite often stay away from these areas until they see what the small boys turn up. So far enough has been found to interest some medium sized boys - 1 Brit 1 US and 1 Italian/French.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets see what else is found when more exploratory drilling gets underway in 2015 - maybe in 2016 the Big Boys will see a benefit to themselves in moving in - or maybe they will not.
The money potential will decide what they do - not some have demented ranter in the Casa Rosada.
It could just be Alicia trying to pot bang and show she is doing something other than spend her money in Knightsbridge.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need to feed argies to pigs whilst theyre alive.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How could pigs eat if they were dead?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been out all day and have just come to this little house of lunatics approach that The Dark Country has gotten itself into. PMSL at most of the posts, especially the argies.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You couldn't get more laughs if you tried. And GeoffWard2 you naughty boy for that mental image of “chicken or pasta” with a bit between her teeth and being “ridden”. Well I would with a saddle but no other way, if you catch my drift.
Must go, you've all done very well! Now THAT will confuse the argies.
Re @61. You know, a little swab and a little science would pop little Saddam==Poland XIII's red-washing balloon if he only had the teensie weensiest grip on reality even when he's on his medication... There isn't a rubber room in the universe that can contain that much crazy, how his poor parents cope with him is a question I can't ever hope or want to fathom....
Nov 29th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79. Maybe they share the same pharmacist as someone we all sadly know.
Nostrils says:
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I watch out for all of you. Shocking I know, but people tend to really dislike those that think are culturally, morally, physically, spiritually, and genetically superior to you”
Which is exactly how he acts. It is bad enough that he loathes himself for his genetic and cultural heritage that he can't shake off, but now loathing himself for his own actions?
86) Sure, and you make up such a humble and modest team with Yankeeboy
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 082 brasherboot
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you trying to copy cat the 'Ndrangheta?
83 A_Voice Good question :-))
83) Answer.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUynRdzzsM
@66
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EXACTLY.
I have been trying to tell these Euros for over a year now that the new generation of Argentines, if they thought the prior ones were hostile, is FAR more anti-European than any before by a league.
The last 10 years have seen a MASSIVE sea change, from a country that was friendly to Europeans to one that will actively seek to shame them and eschew them at every turn.
My generation is out of reach for them...
... UNLESS, they publicly apologize to the Earth for their execrable crimes, beg for forgiveness, and pay at least some reparation.
They all kept saying I was making it up, the whole Anti-European explosion in Argentina. They are in for a shock when my generation takes power.
It will be hell for Euros if they dare approach our shores.
@89 Not like that. The Brutish @82, brasherboot, read this article about his Europeans cousins.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10480945/Mafia-fed-rival-to-pigs-while-he-was-still-alive.html
@ The Truth PaTroll Someone with your amount of bitterness as something to hide or are ashamed of, Your dads a NAZI admit it
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O ye of little faith. What makes you the only Immaculate Conception ever occurred in the Middle East?
Do you watch porn of women in flamenco skirts being lifted by males dressed in very tight Nazi uniforms? You keep making sexual references about it...
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bitter? About what?
@74 GeoffWard2
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the differences is that Bush and Blair specialised in (and will be remembered for) destroying other countries, and only really dented their own.
Whereas CFK has certainly dented Uruguay, but is in the process of trashing her own country.
I honestly feel for the Argentinian people.
But that’s strictly between you and me, don’t tell anyone I said that.
@90 The Truth PaTroll
“It will be hell for Euros if they dare approach our shores”
Don't worry they won’t, if the Euros owned hell and Argentina, they would live in hell and rent out Argentina.
@92, Well given his racist views, rabid hyper-nationalistic xenophobia and other various frustrations I suspect his dad's just embarrassed. But he probably would have been the Littlest Eichmanny Eichmann around given the opportunity; such types are so easily entrained into such movements. Oh to be able to deal with all those foreigners so decisively, he of the pure Master Argentine race, so clean of fault and sin (and that Genocide of the Desert was just another final solution, no longer a past to deny or try to cope with like the rest of the western hemisphere has to do, Conquistadores are awesome when what they did was to ensure the future of La Rasa). Not to mention those awesome perks of being able to turn people who laugh at him on a daily basis over to the secret police. Yeah, that would show us and everyone else how important he is.... he might even kiss a girl someday.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ The Truth PaTroll, You come across as more bitter than Alicia Castro's puss after she's squats on a lemon-I have sailed into Argentina on a cruise your women are dirty and hairy, your men stink and have the appearance of a pauper or a vagrant they burn tyres at portside to keep warm they beg for money and food then curse you when you refuse,what is it with you Argentines where you fail to wash where you feel the need to be paid for without work where you constantly cry like a child because you feel so badly done to ,I feel desperate for you because you say you hate Europeans yet your a nation of European immigrants so, I say again what is it that makes you so angry or ashamed ?? some where along the line your granny or great granny messed around with a Spanish coloniser or a Nazi that your country offered shelter to did your European father play around with you as a child?? tell us where your bitter and twisted mind comes from I will try to help you.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the last 2 replies elucidate perspicaciously why I shun Euros.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I rest my case.
@98
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't rest your case. Surely you owe it to the world to explain how the descendants of conquistadors and the carpet baggers who followed them have achieved moral superiority over those who stayed home?
@98 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to do with anything provocative you might said then, entirely down to mindless barbarian Euros, carrying out another execrable crime, against you.
Do you feel persecuted enough now, we aim to please.
How did you achieve moral superiority over the actions that YOUR goverments sponsored around the globe last 3 centuries or so?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0And btw, aren't you Brits so democratic, and supposedly pioneers of it? Since 1700 or so if I remember correctly according to you all?
That makes you as a people even MORE responsible, since you ELECTED those governments of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries... From Boston to Boer South Africa, from Ireland circa 1845 to India in the latter part of that century, from Australian aborigines to Canadian natives, from Chagos to Iraq 2003...
AREN'T YOU RESPONSIBLE??
@90
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0So no chance of the next Ozzy Ardiles or Ricky Villa coming to Europe then? Or is China the new best friend of Argentina?
@102
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0China is a partner of convenience. I don't trust them, but they have not commited crimes in other continents like Euros have, so between a dirty towel and a urinated one, I'll go for the dirt.
@101
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see you're still struggling with the usual logical fallacy, which is to claim that you can't be guilty of X, because somebody else is guilty of Y.
But that still doesn't explain how it is you've acquired this remarkable moral ascendancy. Or indeed how it's reflected in your everyday behaviour. Surely you can up with some properly saintly examples? How about vast amounts of aid sent to the Philippines, maybe? Vaccines to Africa? Famine relief? Redress for the dispossessed indigenous of South America?
I want to believe you, really I do. How wonderful it would be to find there is hope for humanity, and it lies in Argentina. Just show me some beef?
103) You are naive....“Euros” and Yanks are philanthropists compared to the Chinese... Leaving aside Tibet and their own minorities
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TedKQrEOYs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TedKQrEOYs0
We don't have the resources to aid other countries. Simple as that.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0And lets be real here, the west doesn't aid to aid, they aid to aid their image.
@105
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see. The Chinese are OK because they have kept their crimes to their own continent? I wonder what the Tibetans think of that?
And could you explain to me, o enlightened one, just where to position in the annals of villainy, the Mongol Empire? Or the Greater Asia Co-Prosperity sphere? Or the Ottoman Empire? The Muslim armies that came from Arabia? The Incas? The Zulus?
The Spanish?
107) NO, You dont see my point at all I was answering TTP that said the Chinese only kept their shit in Asia, which happens to be un true
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTP said in no 103 and I quote “China is a partner of convenience. I don't trust them, but they have not commited crimes in other continents like Euros have, so between a dirty towel and a urinated one, I'll go for the dirt.”
Sorry, CB, my bad, I meant to reply to @103.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus Tobias. You really don't get it. We are shamed of those parts of our pasts, be it colonialism, slavery or whatever. We struggle with what happened, fought civil wars on it on both the real battlefields and in our legislatures, and we continue to deal with those past demons and how it reverberates into the state of affairs today. But struggle and confront it we do. It's not easy but we deal with it. Argue it, debate it and otherwise look it in the face and when see the foundations of those problems emerge our vibrant civic protest culture kicks in -- something you also clearly don't seem to get. You Tobias, well... don't. You are the perfect Argentine specimen of the master race as you have laid out over and over in post after post. No flaws, no past, no baggage, no mistakes, unlike the rest of us untermench who have committed THE original sin -- not of conquest and colonialism (you collectively did that but you deny it), genocide (you collectively did that but you deny it) and the rest, but by just us not being perfect, misunderstood, angry little you.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The truth I told hurts doesn't it. Most of us have been here long enough to suss you out... Everything I said was true or your online persona is one heck of an act or just a self-parody so bad Jerry Lewis should throw a telethon for you, so bad even the makers of the Bound 2 video want to talk to you for pointers. You're hyper nationalist, racist, errantly narcissistic, frustrated and a perfect recruit for the brownshirt movement that hits your right buttons, history is filled with people like you, even in your own country as recently as 1982.
You really are messed up. Get help or grow up.
I will state it one more time: the reason OUR crimes of the past don't count here, is because they all occurred WITHIN ARGENTINA.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Name one country that punishes SUICIDE or the attempt to commit it. NONE. So our crimes are not punishable or relevant since we did them to ourselves.
I knew it, a son of a Nazi
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@111
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine School of Moral Philosophy is colocated with the Argentine School of Economic Management, the Argentine School of Diplomacy, and the Argentine School of Military Science. It all used to be the Navy Mechanical School, I believe.
@111
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0India treat attempted suicide as a crime, so does Singapore. Middle Eastern countries are little different.
By the way, genocide of your own people is OK then when committed in Argentine borders?
Seriously I love taking the P... out of Nossy I can just imagine he's an ugly misfit bespectacled creep
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@114
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not so much today, but back then, yes. No laws against it, no crime.
However it has been ALWAYS a crime, since the hunter-gatherer era, to INVADE others and oppress or kill them off.
That's the difference between Argentina and Europe/USA.
@ The Truth PaTroll ,Some breaking news here nossy A police helicopter has crashed onto a pub in Glasgow tonight -remember when your kin folk used helicopters to sling your neighbours out-do you still play that sport or did it not catch on
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0116)
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually there has been here and there some dirty work done by Argentines outside but its secondary and common in the context of the Cold War.... You do have a point in your last paragraph.
Why was The dirty War DIRTY did you all fight unwashed?? JAJA
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0119) Too pointless and out of touch
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@116
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm quite willing to accept the Immaculate Conception Theory of Argentina's origins, but I'm still rather curious to know just how so many peaceful hunter-gatherers of european extraction came to be in the Southern cone of South America at all? Were they ship-wrecked, maybe? Aid workers? Johnny Appleseed sort of folk? Some of Santa's elves that unfortunately fell off the sleigh?
121) Between me and you. Do you remember the lost tribe of Israel?? Just sailed over to the River Plate and settled peacefully milleniums ago when the mongoloid tribes hadn't even arrived, and here you have us....But dont tell anybody
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0There were crimes commited against other groups by those of “european extraction”. But again, since the birth of nation-states there has been a de facto and eventually legal concept of:
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In international law, sovereignty means that a government possesses full control over affairs within a territorial or geographical area or limit.”
That's what you fail to understand, one can do as one pleases within their sovereignty. Otherwise, it is not sovereignty.
That may not be the case anymore today, but back then yes.
But back then it was certainly a crime to cross an ocean as a nation, and take over another nation. Allow me to sketch it out further for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg
Sorry to expound the facts.
@118
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The trouble is that there are very few nations on planet Earth whos peoples and borders have NOT been defined by invasion/conquest/suppression. We all have blood spilt in our histories. TTT trying to deflect it with 'It was all in our own backyard' doesn't work so well.
117
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know that pub it's just down the road from the indoor parking at the Enoch centre .It's only a single storey with a flat roof, a helicopter would go straight through it....there's going to be fatalities...
124) I agree with you...Just look at the Mongols, they had the largest empire of all history and killed up to 60 million people. Today they are just the same old herdsmen that are living very much the same way than a 1000 years ago.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0However having done the shit in one's own backyard prevents other modern states actually blaming you and holding you account for these crimes perpetrated against them.
Thats a problem with many European countries today they are too embarrased with themselves nowadays.
@125 A_Voice lets hope there were no Argentines close by they would make a B line to rob from the injured. the thieving nation they are.-LOL reminds me when x Uruguayan president called them all a bunch of thieves-never a truer word said.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is all I have to say, SHORT AND SWEET:
Nov 30th, 2013 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't cry for me Argentina,
@64 Think
Nov 30th, 2013 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Think, I was in the land of nod when you posted. In the extreme unlikelihood China did anything so reckless the whole of SouthEast Asia would be in an uproar. Not to mention the rest of the world - it simply wouldn't be worth their while.
However, if moral indignation failed, we have a secret weapon to assist our Timorese brothers - my ferocious, flirtatious compatriot in the East would be dispatched to threaten the dastardly Han with his terrifying cheek- squeezing technique.
The Chinese, of course, trembling before him, would immediately retreat to their homeland, muttering about these crazy Anglos, and take up opium smoking again.
@70 Think
Now you're just being cruel. Do you have any idea of the lengths I will go to so I never hear that horrible little ditty again? Agent .035 Licensed to cheek-squeeze can just as easily be dispatched to Patagonia you know.
Why do the Europeans always try to paint the Chinese as so sinister and evil?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where is the evidence?
Yet when the same is said of them, they claim not true, when there is evidence in every square centimeter of land in this planet.
130)
Nov 30th, 2013 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7yEd97bA4o
@130 Tobias
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ask the Tibetans. Their women are being forcibly sterilized to prevent them having more than one child, the P.R.C. border patrols shoot refugees fleeing to India - I have seen the video evidence of them laughing over the corpse of a 14yr old girl they just shot. They go into an apoplectic rage whenever the Dala Llama comes to my country to talk. The same when the Uyghur leader in exile Rebiya Kadeer arrived here. The Han frequently suffer from altitude sickness in Tibet - what more evidence do you require that they don't belong there?
Do I need to add what they do to anyone who try's to promote Democracy. Ask Sebastion Coe what he thinks of their thugs beating up harmless buddhist protesters when the Olympic torch passed through London. Our P.M. at the time - Bob Hawke - wept when he talked about the massacre in Tiannamen Square. And instantly provided asylum to any Chinese student who was afraid to return home.
I don't hate the Chinese people - they're just human beings after all. Their leadership, though, cannot be trusted.
123 Snotty Nostril
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0An atrocity or amoral act is still reprehensible, whether it takes place within your own borders or not.
Is that the point you were trying to make?
(129) Heisenbergcontext
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”In the extreme unlikelihood China did anything so reckless the whole of SouthEast Asia would be in an uproar. Not to mention the rest of the world - it simply wouldn't be worth their while.”
I say…:
Well, the World was obviously a different place in 1833 when the English did the very same thing in Malvinas…
We Argies are just doing our best to make them Malvinas Islands not ”Worth their While” for them Poms…
You say further…:
”@70 Think”
I say…:
Sorry mate but post (70), good as it is, is not mine…. Is from Mr. A_Voice, nationality unknown….
Remember when your ” Ferocious, Flirtatious Compatriot in the East” (aka Anglolatino) used to ”Think” that you and me were the same person?
He was wrong…………….........................…. Wasn’t he?
@133 it be funny if the broader ramifications weren't so bloody obvious and repulsive. Does that mean that Manifest Destiny, like the Conquest of the Desert, was superwickedneatokewl because it was in US territory? Somehow I'm sure little angry racist brownshirt-bait Tobias will claim “That's Different™” but for now, news of my new sense absolution just makes me want to sell hard liquor to native americans to celebrate. (Is that too much? I never know, but apparently for now, I don't have to care! It's great to not have a conscience! Mind you though I did just delete something absolutely monstrous. I have limits even now in this fleeting moment of jubilee before I come back down to earth.)
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0God, what a jaw-dropping disgusting morally vacant little twerp.
@134 Think
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Para a): Do you REALLY care what I think about this bizarre hypothetical situation? If and when something of this nature actually occurs I would be honored to debate the subject.
Para b): Mea culpa - I automatically assume when communicating with either Think or A_Voice I am responding to the same individual. Can't imagine why. I apologize for this appalling breech of MP etiquette and will try to avoid making the same mistake again.
As for your last sentence - have you mistaken me for a trout?
134 ThinksVoiceOver
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Well, the World was obviously a different place in 1833 when the English did the very same thing in Malvinas… ”
Britain did nothing wrong in 1833, triggering international, or even local repercussions.
The murderers and rapists taken away by UP authorities were regarded as criminals by the UP.
Think
“We Argies are just doing our best to make them Malvinas Islands not ”Worth their While” for them Poms…”
Thanks for admitting that you “Argies” are doing your best to make things as difficult as possible for the rightful inhabitants.
Ok, so China is doing to Tibet exactly what England did to Ireland... to the t's and i's. Shoot people that try to leave, force them to speak their language, famish them.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has England yet made up for that, in order to gain the moral high ground over China's reprehensible acts?
@138 Tobias
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you'd be better off asking someone from Eire. I would suggest though, that Britain's relationship with the Irish is at least as healthy as the relationship Argentina has with any of it's neighbours.
I don't believe that judging our ancestors by the standards of today is very useful. As much as we can make amends where possible, we can't change the past. I like the attitude of the Navajo Indians - they don't believe in holding on to bitterness or resentment, and as a result their culture is still very strong.
Where do you think the line should be drawn - how much amends do you think England needs to make before they can say to China we don't think it's ok that you treat Tibetan's with contempt?
Nostrils says at post 111:
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I will state it one more time: the reason OUR crimes of the past don't count here, is because they all occurred WITHIN ARGENTINA.
Name one country that punishes SUICIDE or the attempt to commit it. NONE. So our crimes are not punishable or relevant since we did them to ourselves.”
Well supposedly the crimes that you talk about “England” committing in Ireland and India are then not crimes because they occurred within the BRITISH EMPIRE.
So because Argentina invaded and incorporated territory that it will now not abandon it is impossible to count its actions as a crime. Because they are STILL internal and domestic.
But because the UK invaded and incorporated territory and then did abandon it to self-rule, its actions are counted as a crime. Because they are NOW not internal and domestic.
How was the UK's incorporation of neighbouring Ireland different to Argentina's incorporation of neighbouring Patagonia?
Because the UK gave the Irish independence and Argentina decimated the population and replaced it with its own and made independence impossible.
After a year I repeat yet again….YOU CAN'T ARGUE!
Wow 15 years in jail for looking for oil...
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just wonder if Argentina can issue a warrant and catch the company guys abroad?
I guess that it is possible.
What do you think guys?
(136) Heisenbergcontext
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say in para a)…:
”Do you REALLY care what I think about this bizarre hypothetical situation? If and when something of this nature actually occurs I would be honored to debate the subject.”
I say…:
“Something of this nature” DID occur anno domini MDCCCXXXIII in the Islas Malvinas…
I just wonder why, in many Anglos books, it is right for them Poms to invade and pilfer territory but wrong for them locals to react and defend themselves…
You say in para b)…:
“Mea culpa - I automatically assume when communicating with either Think or A_Voice I am responding to the same individual. Can't imagine why....”
I say…:
First exchange I had with Mr. A_Voice he accused me of having too much fun with all those mistakenly assuming that I have some other “nom de plumes”…
If memory serves me right, he has expressed some irritation about them Turnips not being able to differentiate between his more than adecuate English proficiency and my pathetic efforts with that bloody language…
You say, at your last sentence…:
“As for your last sentence - have you mistaken me for a trout?”
I say…:
That worm was meant for our mutual admirer, that cheeky, cheek- squeezing, ferocious and flirtatious Ozzie from the East, aka Anglolatino….
As we can see in (140), that ”BUB” didn’t take the bait…..
Chuckle chuckle©
@142 Think
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a tangled web you weave! The tone of your posts are so arch and so full of implied jokes, the punchlines of which are known only to you, that it is impossible for me to know what your agenda really is. What do you really care about? You have demonstrated that your mind is flexible enough to argue a point from two completely opposing points of view and be equally convincing in your convictions.
The danger in responding to you with sincerity is one can never be completely sure one is being manipulated. Do you get my drift? You are extremely interesting with a remarkable frame of reference and a quick wit. And in my opinion completely untrustworthy.
When I can detect some actual feeling in your queries I'll be happy to respond. Until then...happy fishing. Oh and if you want to try to separate Anglotino from whatever squirrels are running around his brain feel free, just don't expect any assistance from me.
@123
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think your linguistic skills aren't quie at the level you claim. What you describing there is not sovereignity, but impunity. They're not quite the same thing, although Peronists in particular seem to have got he idea from somewhere that they are.
@140
I don't think you've quite got the whole story. British behaviour in previous ages is to be judged by the standards of today, whereas Argentine behaviour of today is to be judged by the standards of previous ages.
It's quite simple once you get the hang of it, you just have to abandon any notion of logical consistency.
@144 HansNiesund,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0lts straight forward, really.
You just don't believe anything that a malvinista says.
lf they told me that the sun was going to rise in the east, l'd question their thinking & wonder what their angle was.
(141) DanyBerger
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”Just wonder if Argentina can issue a warrant and catch the company guys abroad...? I guess that it is possible…..What do you think guys?”
I say…:
Not feasible at present, BUT…….. in case of a mayor accident (Deepwater Horizon kind of….) definitely a possibility…
(And the ”Company Guys” do know now that ”Shit Happens”)
(143) Heisenbergcontext
You say…:
”The tone of your posts are so arch and so full of implied jokes, the punchlines of which are known only to you, that it is impossible for me to know what your agenda really is.”
I say…:
You have just described the average Patagonian Camp person ;-)
(145) lsolde, my favourite Squatterette…
You say…:
”You just don't believe anything that a Malvinista says.”
I say…:
Ditto for anything a Falklandist says…
Have a nice weekend...
@146 Think
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok I'll bite: ”Patagonian Camp person'?
@ stink and TTT how many times do we have to point out that Argentina did not exist when we claimed the Falkland Islands, you invaded British territory in 1833 and again in 1982. just because we are close, does not mean you can claim us, Chile, Uraguay and others are 0 miles to you, are you going to claim the whole of SA??
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0(147) Heisenbergcontext
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Ok I'll bite: ”Patagonian Camp person'?”
I say...:
No hook in that one....
I was just referring to that dry, street wise, triple edged, end of the world bushwalker kind of humour that characterizes many of us Patagonians......
@149 Think
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wondered where all the beatniks disappeared. Patagonia! Lawd a mercy...
“I was just referring to that dry, street wise, triple edged, end of the world bushwalker kind of humour that characterizes many of us Patagonians......”
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Think but that is bollocks.
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least when the Riojano stole from us, he had charisma and humor. Lazaro, Rudy Ulloa, De Vido and the old cyclops had less grace than a ironing board and stole much, but much more...
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(153) CabezaDura
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you read my comment (146) again, you would notice that I was referring to “Patagonian Camp Persons”
Not Patagonian City Slickers....
Do you get humoristas Cordobeses like El negro Alvarez, Flaco Pailos and Buenaventura in Chubut??
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://tn.com.ar/sociedad/hospital-en-ruinas-radiografia-de-un-sistema-colapsado_424087
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Distract Distract
But even the Rgs dummies can see what's really going on.
(155) CabezaDura
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course.......... Thanks to the Televisión Pública Argentina....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvmN5TbS0c
Think (#152)
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'... Only the best survived ;-)'
So, Think - 'The best of the best of the best, Sir!'
Somehow can't see you as an MIB.
Anyone notice the Peso is up to $6.15?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty sttep decline in just a few days
Are they trying to get it to 7 by eoy?
I hear no Christmas bonuses this year.
That can't be right..can it?
@146 Think,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to be more original Think dahling & don't parrot everything that l say.
Have you no mind of your own?
What do you mean you dont have radios over there ?? You get them once a year?? Ahh they are all bought over by the gov't & friends.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJObEQRaYc
(158) GeoffWard2
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm, definitely, not a MIB.....
And I, certainly, was never a MOD.... ;-)
Do you not think it makes perfect sense to build an oil refinery in Argentina and buy FALKLAND OIL, must be very cheap as it is on their “ continental shelf ” ( I said that with tongue in cheek ). But seriously does it not make sense, after all they need to import oil for the foreseeable future.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually when argentina was Being economically controlled by the evil british it was on track to being one of the richest countriesin the world.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pity the argentine elite couldnt run a whelk stall or plan an invasion.
@ 141
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Just wonder if Argentina can issue a warrant and catch the company guys abroad?
I guess that it is possible.
What do you think guys?”
If Argentine law is legitimate in the USA, France and Italy, but you might have a problem if the country( in which your fictitious Argentine cops operate) do not accept what you say is a crime, is a crime in their country.
Are you going to send Tango 1 to arrest the oil dudes, or will you have to hire a Canadian jet belonging to a British company again?
I have heard they are going to paint double yellow lines around the islands and issue fixed penalty notices to anyone who parks there.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God! Just think of the absolute joy of telling an Argentine Traffic Warden to, “Fuck of you wanker!” and there's nothing he or she could do about it!
Died and gone to heaven.
@165-6. Like I said on the more recent thread. That's like extraditing me to a dry Kentucky county for drinking beer while visiting NYC. Yeah. Right.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People on these Islands are breaking Argentine laws on a daily basis. Just by driving their cars on the left side of the roads, for instance. But it is of no significance. There are no Argentine police officers, no Argentine prosecutors, no Argentine judges and no Argentine prison wardens there. Argentine laws are totally irrelevant and will of course not be enforced in this territory. Therefore the Argentine political system could produce any laws they want, but it is totally useless.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is impotent
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is the British Squaddie shall bayonet any Argie that tries to change the status quo
@168 That's why I've been goading the Malvanistas to put up or shut up. When a native Falklander goes on diplomatic walkabout in Latin America their hosts should be arresting them and deporting them to their “native” Argentina (or I'll even throw them a bone and have them throw 'em in the first plane to London) for tax evasion, watching undubbed Dr. Who in the original English, and yeah, driving on the wrong side of the road, heck anything. We live in a six-felonies-before-breakfast-world and we see no imagination from them at all. Quite disappointing actually.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@164 Martin Woodhead,
Dec 01st, 2013 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0l read that in 1900 Argentina had the highest standard of living in the world.
To descend to their present ranking in just 113 years, they must be a nation of super-bunglers.
Such a pity as it could be a great & prosperous place to live if it was managed properly.
What happened?
I think, Isolde, that B.A. of 1900 - which was an implanted extension of the Europe of Empire - had a high standard of living, but for the moneyed classes only.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am aware that the gauchos and out-of-towners were desperately poor and uneducated.
It was the same in England of the early Industrial Revolution - only the moneyed classes counted.
Social history detailing the lower classes was written largely retrospectively, in Argentina, in England and in most other countries.
@172
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0A screw-up of that magnitude generally requires more than one cause.
This guy attributes it to inter alia, initial concentration of power in an oligarchical landowning class, Peronist autarky, a mania for borrowing more than could be paid back, 'an elastic sense of victimhood', failure to export, obsession with symbolic issues, etc, etc.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/778193e4-44d8-11de-82d6-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2mDSJXMgf
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/778193e4-44d8-11de-82d6-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2mDhbsmzq
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0FT MAGAZINE 'Argentina: The superpower that never was'.
Alan Beattie. May 23, 2009
Thanks, Hans #173.
A wonderfully well-written article that should be required reading in schools, colleges and government throughout Argentina.
@173
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if the leaders that presided over this litany of short-term populist self-interested policies ever considered the effects on the generations who would inherit the results.
(172) GeoffWard2
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Geoff....
I have tried to explain this to the lovely young lady but I “Think” she has problems understanding my bad Engrish.....
(175) Heisenbergcontext
Most of them surely did...
And they couldn't have cared less...
That's why, fully aware of the shortcomings of our present administration, I challenge anybody to mention ANY other Argentinean administration of the last sixty years that has done nearly as good as the present one...
Just read that amazing article and it filled in a few blanks I had about Argentina but already knew the gist of it.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is why I laugh when Nostrils keeps highlighting Australia's economic problems in the 80s. All the things we reformed and got rid of are what Argentina is STILL now implementing and operating under: high tariffs, currency controls, nationalised industries etc.
Argentina cherry-picks and implements parts of an economic model and then complains that it doesn't work and dumps it.
It is funny that Argentina was once comparable to the US and Australia and is now considered such a frontier economy that it is hardly comparable to places like Chile and Colombia these days.
You would think that Argentineans would attempt to halt the century long downward slide but it is now so part of their national identity that they have not only accepted it but justified it as part of their natural order.
The natural path of a country is always up. Sometimes it is deflected from this by something outside of its control. Sometimes this path plateaus or dips; then you reform to reattain that upward path. In Argentina, it is as if the ruling class has convinced the masses that this is impossible so they should be satisfied with what scraps they are flung while the ruling class continue to entrench themselves and protect their lifestyle.
Rich in a rich country or rich in a poor country is still rich.
However, poor in a rich country is much much different to poor in a poor country.
@176 Think
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a point.
174) I agree fully with the article, but the problem is that many, many Argentines dont see it that way...They will brush that aside as neo-liberal trash in a second.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will keep on repeating in denial to themselves that in 1900s people were ignorant and impoverished but half of those people were poor Italians and Spaniards from Europe and a couple of very wealthy landowners controlling the country but that was true at the time for every other country in the world at the time. And the irony is that still today the economy is highly concentrated, though not as bad as Chile or Brazil.
Overall Peronism was a inflexion point
(179) CabezaDura
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“I agree fully with the article, but the problem is that many, many Argentines dont see it that way...They will brush that aside as neo-liberal trash in a second.”
I say...:
Well..... this Argentinean agrees, in part, with that FT article but brushes aside many of its postulates as it is evident that the author and the Financial Times “grossly ignore empirical evidence that contradicts their mainstream theories in favour of some overly technical nonsense*”
* http://www.progress.org/news/activism-news/economics-students-demand-orthodoxy-alternative-theory/
.
180) I dont understand what has this complaint against the Manchester University have to do whith this article.... When are you going to accept that Argentine conservative-liberal elite and even the UCR was much better ruling the country than the peronists?? From 1945 onwards Argentina was a cosmical f%$ck up
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(181) CabezaDura
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“ I dont understand what has this complaint against the Manchester University have to do whith this article.”
I say...:
1) Just plain good old maners pibe.... When using other people's words, one usually puts them in “quotation marks” and mentions the source
2) That link was also meant for Mr. GeoffWard.... I “Think” he will understand its relevance better than you....
You say further...:
“When are you going to accept that Argentine conservative-liberal elite and even the UCR was much better ruling the country than the peronists??”
I say...:
Hereby I fully accept the fact that the Argentine Conservative-Liberal Elite were much better at ruling the Country than the Peronists.... for the sole benefit of the Argentine Conservative-Liberal Elite, that is....
@180
Dec 01st, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beattie might have added an inability to learn from previous mistakes, which may be related to the inability to admit that a mistake was ever made in the first place.
One of those mistakes is the relatively recent one that there are no choice except that between Peronist isolationism and neo-liberalism in its extreme form, when empirical evidence would suggest that the most successful economies exhibit neither extreme whilst being sensibly well removed from the Peronist end of things.
You may be right about the present government though, even though it's just another swing of the pendulum between the oligarchy and the populists.
On full moon nights my bedroom is too bright.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could we get the Argentine government to dim the Moon a little?
I am sure they Think they can.
182) So why did you adress me muppet?
Dec 01st, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think Mr “You say , I say”.... If you dont have a point nor anything interesting to argue then please make yourself a favour and shut up
(185) CabezaDura
Dec 01st, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Think Mr “You say , I say”.... If you dont have a point nor anything interesting to argue then please make yourself a favour and shut up”
I say...:
Just trying to educate you, Cordoóooobes........
Who knows...... With the interest you show for politics.... you could become the mayor of Tilquicho or something....:-)))
And Think, during those Conservative-Liberal-UCR years Argentina was a great country. With a little bit of entrepreneurial spirit and hard work you could become easily well-off and live your own Argentine dream. Somehow people believed after Peron they could get it all for free or by stealing
Dec 01st, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(187) CabezaDura
Dec 01st, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Somehow people believed after Peron they could get it all for free or by stealing”
I say...:
Quite right............. And who did disgovern us AFTER Mr. Perón?
A clue...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWD2D2cQHEw
188) Who governed after 1955?? Well how else but the Peronists from abroad and from the Unions and armed peronist movements from within the country like Montoneros and others. All the time they were there and have being so continuously since. Always behind the scene they had the real power and still do....The damage had already being done by then, even Peron recognized the damage he had done to the country when he returned in the 1970s.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 01983 Alfonsin (radical) = Argentina Collapse
Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 02001 De La Ruina (radical)= Argentina Collapse
No more to say I guess...
(189) CabezaDura
Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O RLY ???
Silly me….........., I was under the impression that it was the International Communist Conspiracy controlling, sapping and impurifying all of Argentina’s precious bodily fluids through water fluorination!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY
Chuckle chuckle©
190) And how about the Peronists let them govern for a change ???
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why Argentina is poor??.... The vicious circle of poverty and clientelist expenditure... Since 1950s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9V--1fDOD4
No more to say I guess.
191) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9V--1fDOD4
@188 Think,
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Catchy tune.
@192 CabezaDura,
That put the stupid Aleman in his place. Like it.
@Isolde are you there still ??
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course she's still there...
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where could she go...?
Fauchon...?
188 Think
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah...Mr. Think...there's that tune again....I like it, whistled it for a day the last time you posted it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6V1DSAbv2s
I think you Peronists are to obssesed with Gorilas ...
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlsFGtdSPcI
@CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your Radicals cannot govern because they cannot distinguish in between a farm and industrial complex like you do.
Do you remember genius?
And you want to convince me with your stupid video. Do you?
That video was made by Agustin Etchebarne (foro republicano) a former partner of Delphos investment AKA Martín Benegas Lynch a JP Morgan employee who managed JP Morgan “Siembra AFJP” and Republic National Bank of New York assets in Argentina.
Do you remember that they got jobless after congress nationalised AFJPs Scams?
Next what?
Are you going to show me a video from a wolf telling sheep how to handle their security at night in the countryside?
(193) lsolde
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Catchy tune indeed :-)
(196) A_Voice
You say...:
”Ah...Mr. Think...there's that tune again....I like it, whistled it for a day the last time you posted it...
I say...:
Hmm... Mr. A_Voice... are you sure you ain't me?.... I whistled it most of the day yesterday...:-)
(198)DanyBerger
Ohhhhh yesss…..
We remember Agustin Etchebarne, and Martín Benegas Lynch.
Members of the “300 Golden Boys group”…. Those “homo speculativus” that “shorted” Argentina in 2001 greatly aiding the debacle…
We do remember them well…:
Carlos Agote, Ignacio Álvarez de Toledo, Martín Benegas Lynch, Marcelo Blanco, Luis Blaquier, Pablo Calderini, Daniel CANEL, Federico Carballo, Carlos del Carril, Gustavo Domínguez, Federico Eisler, Agustin Etchebarne, Miguel Gutiérrez, Jorge Jasson, Daniel Marx, Guido Mosca, Pablo Pereyra Iraola, Ramiro Pérez, Raúl Ponte, Alfonso Prat Gay, Martín Redrado, Roberto Ruiz, David Sekiguchi y tantos otros más.
Real Patriots, all of them…............ from the ”Patria Financiera…..
http://hernanii.net/#275/custom_plain
Ohh boy cant take the facts ?? Attack the messenger but not the messege. DanyVerga and Think are the typical ultra K of the 678 mentality... So far DanyVerga dismisses all the following sources providided against his non existent arguments and all his lies...
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clarin
La Nacion
The Economist
Ambito Financiero
The own Minestery of Economy of the gov't he supports
Sociedad Rural Argentina (SRA)
Confederaciones Rurales Argentinas (CRA)
and now Foro Republicano
It speaks volumes of the kind of honesty (or rather the lack of) Peronists have
(200) CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, pibe.... The above speaks volumes about YOUR kind of honesty...
You insist in seeing only one side of the Argentinean reality and continuously link to texts and videos filled with outright lies about Argentina...
When I point those lies out to you, you get angry and insult...
Just have a look at my last link at post (199)....:
Hernán Iglesias Illa ……. An Argentinean living in N.Y.C., working for right wing media as “La Nación” and the “Wall Street Journal” ... but he is an intelligent and discerning guy...
Do you get my drift?
201) Ohhh Shut retard, im bored and tired of your crap. You (YOU?) and your double accounts or puppets or whatever they are, and cheap tricks are going to question my honesty ??? Please bitch. Give me a break-
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont care where anyone works or lives only in what they ACTUALLY SAY.
(202) CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“I dont care where anyone works or lives only in what they ACTUALLY SAY.”
I say...:
That's precisely your problem, pibe...
People can “SAY” a lot of different things but... where and how they live, where and how they work and what they have done through their lives tells us all about them....
Se llama trayectoria, pibe....., T R A Y E C T O R I A...
In a country under ideological dictatorship like Argentina when difamation is easy and cheap and has become a K hobby I will remit to what I say...
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has anybody of those you and Dany Verga speak of being convicted of any crime?? How about presenting someone else of “trayectoria” that says otherwise than the Foro Republicano video??.... I dont “think” so
(204) CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pibe, you really don't want to listen, do you?
I'm not speaking about their criminal track record....
Neither am I speaking about their conviction track record....
Those people were, until recently, the ones writing the laws in Argentina....
What I'm speaking is about their ethical track record...
What I'm speaking about is their moral principles track record...
What I'm speaking is about their common decency track record...
Aceptalo pibe....
Por más que te moleste, la Negrada se despabiló y se está lavando las patas en la fuente del Congreso...
FFS Think only a couple of these have being lawmakers
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.libertadyprogresonline.org/nosotros/consejoacademico/
Have fun looking over their entire CV's looking for skeletons in the closet like you the Ks know full well to do, whilts flooding the State with utter filth of “human beings”
You are just sick and resentful they are succesful academics and respected people and you dont haven't got anything of real substance to throw at them.
You further say...
“What I'm speaking is about their ethical track record...
What I'm speaking about is their moral principles track record...
What I'm speaking is about their common decency track record...”
Ohhhh really from which standard this is??...I dont see any of that. How knows who you are anyway?? How can anyone know for sure you pay all your taxes, you never have cheated on your wife, never commited any illicit,etc ?? The only thing I know from what I see here is that you are a smoke seller
(206) CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“You are just sick and resentful they are succesful academics and respected people and you dont haven't got anything of real substance to throw at them.”
I would put it this way...:
I was sick and tired of those “Golden Boys” destroying our “Patria Verdadera” with their “Patria Financiera”.... La Negrada and I have something of real substance to throw at them... Our vote.
207) Ohhh You ferking IDIOT, they are not running for anything!!! Apart from cheap lies and false arguments what have you to say against them ??? Nothing
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0La Negrada, better known lumpen (which you are included in and probably Dany too) is scared of WHAT THEY SAY, and it is this.... Cutting the breast feeding by the State to you class. This is what makes you so nervous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiN6UXwlLQQ
Simple and brilliant
(208) CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good liberalvideo, pibe……
I specially like the “subzidised worker” sitting under a rain of money between minute 2:40 and 3:10.....
He’s sitting on a original 1950 Charles & Ray Eames DAR Armchair from Vitra that, after all Argentinean taxes and duties are paid, must cost about 800€
http://www.atomicinteriors.co.uk/product/vitra-eames-dar-armchair-upholstered
Our Negrada has got class …
Thanks to Cristina…
Chuckle chuckle©
I dont know, Is here wearing a Christian Dior shirt in this one??
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H01XSGe1A7g
And this de-legitimizes the facts because......?
(208) Che, pibe…………………………. Seriously now….
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ain’t that Axel Jørgensen at the end of that video…?
If you know him, give him my best regards…
He’s the spitting image of his father…
Como crecen los chicos…
For helvede da!
@ 210 CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant link!
I dont care
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uyuyuyuy.....
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shenojó el CabezaDura....
@ Think
Dec 04th, 2013 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“from the ”Patria Financiera…..” ha ha
I would call then “Los pibes Chorros”
@ CabezaDura
I’m not Peronist and as Think says all your sources are biased and from the same people that have indebted Argentina or have profited for the casino game or people that have made fortunes from the state.
I will not be surprised if you use Robert J. Shapiro website to back your tales.
Your “Relato” is full of lies and distorted facts about what really happen in Argentina.
That is the reason why everyone despite if is or not Peronist is questioning your sources and posts.
My best advice for you is...
Before open your mouth investigate what is right and wrong and stop repeating like a parrot.
SYL
@ 215 DanyBerger the Dumb Ass
Dec 04th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0When are you going to wake up and realise that you have been brainwashed. I hate to use that term about you because it is clear that your IQ is 90 at best.
Why you think that the Lunatic from Chew Butt has any more brain that you is also beyond me given he is 82 YO and shows it.
If I were you I would take your own advice as in the final sentence of 215.
“The government of President Cristina Fernandez has issued repeated written legal warnings to firms”
Dec 04th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have any of the bosses of these firms, quit, soiled their underpants or jumped off a tall building yet as a result of these 'power-laden' written warnings?
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