MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands government accuses Argentina of yet another attempt to undermine the Islands economy
The Falkland Islands government said on Friday that Argentina's latest illegal attempt to undermine the Islands economy is in direct contradiction with its alleged claim that it wants to establish a dialogue and is yet another effort to disrupt the lives of 3.000 people who want to live in peace and with good neighborly relations. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat an excellent response, so measured.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Argentina can confiscate the oil and other assets when the get out of FI
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 02 Dany
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Well Argentina can confiscate the oil and other assets when the get out of FI”
Actually, no they cannot.
SYL
Oh dear oh dear, now he's back on the piracy tack.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leave it to the experts Dany.
Ahrrr jim lad!
I have given Gollum and TMBOA the black spot. Sink the Libertad!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Correction to the official release from the elected Falklands government in response to the Argentine Government’s imposing criminal sanctions on oil companies operating in the Malvinas Islands...:
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are NOT a Country....
You are a BOT...
BUB's !!!
l don't care what you or your silly country thinks, Think.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can pass as many meaningless(to us), ridiculous laws as you like.
ln fact, l encourage you to waste your time & resources doing so.
However, your writ doesn't run here & we will not only ignore your childish stupidity, but will laugh at you also.
Some people have to pay good money to see a comedy show like Argentina, but we have a ringside seat & can watch for free.
And, Think, YOU are a squatter.
smirk.
(7) lsolde
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep watching an laughing from your “free” ringside seat, dahling...
But just remember...: there ain't no such thing as a free lunch (or seat)...
(By the way, the best way into a woman's heart is making her laugh ;-)
@2 Really? How is argieland going to do that? With its unseaworthy “naval” vessels? Let's see. ULCC (Ultra Large Crude Carrier) loads its cargo and heads north-east toward the African coast. Argieland sends “naval” vessel to attempt act of piracy. ULCC alters course and rams argie vessel. Alternatively, ULCC calls for assistance. Argies unable to act. Firing on the ULCC could result in fire/explosion. Charges of piracy and murder. RN vessel closes and opens fire. Meanwhile, RAF Typhoons are launched, supported by air-to-air tankers, locate argie vessel and prepare to launch anti-ship missiles.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Correction to the Wanker @6. Your ignorant “definition”, not OURS. The duly constituted and elected Government refers to the Falkland Islands as a country. They have that right. Argieland does not. Nor will it ever. Because every time argieland opens its stupid mouth, Falkland Islanders and the British people hate argieland more. I reckon that every single action by any argie against the Falklands pushes “relations” with argieland at least another 10 years away. Fortunately, the Falklands are, per capita, far wealthier than argieland. By about 300 or 400 per cent. Examine the activities of stupid little argieland. Argieland “punishes” companies operating in argieland for having activities with the Falklands. Effect - Nil. Argieland states that Falklands oil requires mainland support. Except it doesn't. Effect - Nil. Argieland promotes its ownership of non-existent islands with other countries. Effect - Nil. Argieland threatens companies with prison sentences, fines and discrimination. Effect - Nil. Effect of argieland on FALKLAND ISLANDS. Nil. Right of any argie farting paedo to have an “opinion”. Nil.
@7 Twinky doesn't have a “country”. Is it still trotting around Scandinavia trying to avoid the police and immigration? Has it returned to its overflowing cesspit? Cesspits should be emptied. Fortunately, the Atlantic Ocean can take the lot.
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0to mr stink, if we want to call OUR islands a country, we can, we can call it whatever we want, just like you have a silly name for our islands and we can't stop you calling it that. Just like you can call Argentina what you want, we have our own names for that.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The bully is getting twitchy again, must be getting close to elections, however, making threats like this simply put business off dealing with the uppity RG's and the only country badly effected is Argentina itself. Self destructing behaviour that the whole world has learnt to expect from a immature corrupt and inept government run by buffoons. The FIG once again has shown maturity and perfect diplomacy whereas they have made Argentina even more foolish.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think, You have to laugh at these European immigrants like Castro and Kirchner clinging on to anything in desperation.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know as well as the rest of us that nothing will be changing,now or anytime soon.Let us all know when the first prosecution is but for fooooks sake don't hold your breath
I agree not to apply 15 years in prison Pirates predators of our oceans.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am rather drastic torpedoing the entire oil platform who is without authorization in the Argentine Sea and any vessel or device for this purpose.
Final settlement and no more chatter.
Think says:
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are NOT a Country....
You are a BOT…”
Wrong AGAIN Think. Getting slightly repetitive.
The Falkland Islands can be both a country and a BOT. There is nothing that says it can't.
A BOT is a British Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom. That is its legal personality.
A State (with a capital S) is a self-governing political entity. The term State can be used interchangeably with country. However a country does NOT have to be a state.
No one is claiming the Falkland Islands are a State.
A nation, however, is a tightly-knit group of people which share a common culture. Just because they share many facets of that culture with others does not mean the culture does not exists. So while the Falkland Islanders share many facets of English or British culture they don't share them all and vice versa. Therefore theirs is unique.
The Falkland Islands are therefore a nation.
A nation-state is a nation which has the same borders as a State.
No one is claiming the Falkland Islands are a nation-state. At least not yet.
A country is a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory or region and legally identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be independent and sovereign or occupied by another state or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics. Regardless of its physical geography, this is the modern internationally accepted legal definition as defined by the League of Nations in 1937 and the United Nations in 1945.
The Falkland Islanders being a nation and occupying a particular territory are therefore a country. They are also recognised by the UN as a distinct entity as a non-self governing territory.
It is very common for people to confuse and interchangeably use the terms: nation, nation-state, country and State.
The Falklands are a nation and a country but not a state or a nation-state.
Yet!
José Malvinero ,Is it wise to air your war fantasy's when you neither have the weapons or capability of such actions??? remember you are playing with the big boys here who could destroy your nation from hundreds of miles away DO YOU UNDERSTAND
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(11) Falkland Islands
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“To mr stink, if we want to call OUR islands a country, we can, we can call it whatever we want.....”
I say...:
1) The name is Think….., Mr. Think.
2) Her Majesty's Isles that is.... Read your own Constitution lad...., you know, that piece of paper written by Her Majesty's civil servants....
Think... the man who cant.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 and won't, Mr stink the man that does
Nov 30th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are not your islands though are they? Just as South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands and Queen Elizabeth Land is not yours. Lucky really, because you would have to hire more Russian Planes, Ships and Helicopters to support them.
Going back to Danny boys post, I have heard that their congress is considering employing Somali Oil Appropriation Contractors.
Thought the RG's didn't like piratas?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Jose
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just what is the Argentine navy planning to do to the oil platform? Sink infront of them?
Do you really think your naval vessels could make it that far?
As for torpedos, they'd probably expode in their tubes.
Keep dreaming Jose.
However, think on about what the retaliation would be from the British for this wholly illegal and violent attack upon British interests.
No more Argentine navy. No more Argentine Airforce. The British would bomb the crap out of every single Argentine military asset, including your flag ship the Libertad.
And after all of that, Argentina would be expected to pay compensation, and for any clean up, or the British might just take compensation from you themselves, namely seizing any and all Argentine assets wherever they may be in the world.
And who would come to Argentina's aid? Uruguay? Nope, you treat them like crap, why should they help you? Chile? Ditto. Brazil? Ditto. Paraguay? Ditto. Venezuela? Busy disappearing up it's own backside.
Luckily for you it's just a little fantasy that you have going on in your head.
You should get together with DanyBurger. He has a fantastic plan to invade the Falklands, sacrificing up to 10,000 Argentines in the attempt.
Keep up the comedy, we all like a good laugh. Argentina, the joke that keeps on giving and givning.
Poor Think the little man who as to comment about his homeland from as far away as the Falkland Islands are from London-must be getting cold in Scandinavia my friend.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, he keeps warm cultivating his turnip fields.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Think,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ln your dreams Think.
@14 José Mal,
Shouldn't you be out playing with all the other children?
Run along niño.
@23 well said andy amazing how these idiots comment whilst living in a free and democratic countries, instead off going home and trying to do something about it. Do you THINK he'd be on the first flight home to volunteer if it came to fisticuffs again......................NO. All mouth and trousers.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 025 lsolde
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I luuuuuv the way you “ignore” me, dahling..... ;-)))
Think says:
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are NOT a Country....
You are a BOT…”
Wrong AGAIN Think. Getting slightly repetitive.
The Falkland Islands can be both a country and a BOT. There is nothing that says it can't.
A BOT is a British Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom. That is its legal personality.
A State (with a capital S) is a self-governing political entity. The term State can be used interchangeably with country. However a country does NOT have to be a state.
No one is claiming the Falkland Islands are a State.
A nation, however, is a tightly-knit group of people which share a common culture. Just because they share many facets of that culture with others does not mean the culture does not exists. So while the Falkland Islanders share many facets of English or British culture they don't share them all and vice versa. Therefore theirs is unique.
The Falkland Islands are therefore a nation.
A nation-state is a nation which has the same borders as a State.
No one is claiming the Falkland Islands are a nation-state. At least not yet.
A country is a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory or region and legally identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be independent and sovereign or occupied by another state or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics. Regardless of its physical geography, this is the modern internationally accepted legal definition as defined by the League of Nations in 1937 and the United Nations in 1945.
The Falkland Islanders being a nation and occupying a particular territory are therefore a country. They are also recognised by the UN as a distinct entity as a non-self governing territory.
It is very common for people to confuse and interchangeably use the terms: nation, nation-state, country and State.
The Falklands are a nation and a country but not a state or a nation-state.
Yet!
@Think not difficult to ignore squatting scum like you.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just ignore Think (stink) after all he is a keyboard warrior living in Scandinavia talking about things he wants to see but is not willing to go there and change things because he has a cushy life in a free democracy. TTT is exactly the same from his bolt hole in Canada, would willingly see Rgenweener go to war again over the Falklands (there are no Malvinas), but would he sign up to the fight, NO CHANCE. Cowards spring to mind
Nov 30th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 030) Is Think Stevie ???
Nov 30th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some superb posts from our Argentine friends I see, childish and space cadet are some of the terms that spring to mind reading them.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So we have so far legal sanctions being placed on another country using Argentina's own domestic laws and military action of different types including torpedoing the rig.
The legal sanctions? A complete joke that no nation including the UN would take seriously, in fact given how the oil companies have completely ignored them do we think this will change? Of course not, everyone is laughing at Argentina passing domestic laws that are completely unenforceable outside its own territory. I mean you've got to question the intelligence of the people involved in passing these laws that could never apply to any other country in the world.... Whats going through their little heads?
Military actions? Using what? Argentina has no credible military and would face the retaliation from a military that could totally destroy the Argentine military with absolutely minimal effort.
Is there such a thing as precedent in International Law?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there is, I am going to ask my AMS at CYNULLIAD CENEDLATHOL CYMRU to introduce similar legislation to prevent the Argentine Pirates stealing the natural resources of CYMRAIG PATAGONIA.
I worry Argentina is at risk of becoming a “nasty” country, by European standards.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 030) So the real actual Argentines living in Argentina here are only malen and me??
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rather like some a dry hick county in Kentucky arresting me for downing a beer when visiting New York when, by the way, I don't even live in Kentucky. I look forward to the first extradition request. It will be funny. Pander to the maladjusted brats in Buenos Aires by extraditing someone for doing something that's legal in the local area or reap the wrath of the international diplomatic, legal and business communities. Or perhaps Argentina should just do what they should have done all along and take the Falkands case to the ICJ where, if the law is on their side (cough cough cough), this law would be totally unnecesary. Oh yes, they have no case for the islands, no right to the islands and won't even meet with the UK and FI to talk about the Islands as proven in February as the UN Resolutions they always lie about direct. They just want to stomp their feet and have a tantrum in the supermarket for all to see to distract from their own mismanagement at home. And the Malvanistas are still falling for it -- every time.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Jose
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''Final settlement and no more chatter''.
ICJ or try and actually be peaceful to your neighbours.
35. There are very very few Rgs that post here that live in or have been to Arg in a very very long time.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One resident nincompoop posts at 3am local time and has the gall to tell us it was dawn outside.
The same nincompoop had so many personas at one time he kept getting them confused and through simple math I showed him/her it would be impossible to have so many retournado socialists with Scandinavian backgrounds on one site. Magically most of the personas stopped posting the same day.
38) malen is anti political in local matters, she only post to islands related articles. I am anti K. DanyBerger the most pro K is German. Marcos Alejandro is a expat and now so is Think, and Stevie who came in with Argentine accounts like “Guzz” but he is Uruguayan in Denmark, TTP is Canadian. pgerman is a expat too but he is anti K so he is cool. But the rest why are they so pro K and living abroad??
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 you tell us, that's what pisses me off idiots posting about the country they constantly bum up but haven't been there for decades and refute the situation posted by people who actually live there as rubbish, beggars belief really, lucky we don't take them seriously isn't it, they all seem to THINK we're stupid when in fact we all know they are all keyboard warriors without the guts to go home and make a difference
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Modern expats, always seem to be the most patriotic, the obvious question is, if the mother land is so great, WTF did they leave it in the first place!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can understand why the American Irish or Scottish Canadians emigrated for a better life in the 19th Century, let's face it, it was not a nice time for any working man to live, but today!
Pissing off cos your countries a load of shite and slagging the country that takes you in, hypocrites who probably scab off their new home. My guess is the old country was glad to see the ferkin back off them!
40) You know this people more than I do... I humilliated so bad this guy Stevie he hasn't showed up since. I know he was very uncomfortable with me around and attacked me right from the begining with his “Guzz” account, hes existantial problem with me was that he was being too pro K from abroad, not knowing anything that was actually occuring in the country, never the less I never liked him anyway, he was very cheezy and gay. But I dont think he is Think
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should stop calling them Argentines and rather Pro K expats or Pro Argentina users in any case. Its the most fair thing to do
[And of course there was “ProRGAmerican” who made the mistake of not only using a anti-black racist epithet (those US folk who explicitly support the Argentine claim as opposed to being pro FI or coyly neutral are typically radical hard Left and are strongly opposed to any racist language unless they are “tomming” african americans who change their majors to civil engineering) but used the *wrong* one. But he's been gone for ages after that gaffe. And then there is “British Kirchnerist” and I am not sure he's british but in any respect he's just creepy in his drooling over CFK and doesn't do female heads of state regardless of competency or looks any favors. But RC definitely has a point about how expats have to be more “Argentine than the Argentines” and that's pretty much true for lots of other ideologically obsessed nationalities.]
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Kirchnerist was 100% Stevie
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is Simon68 these days, we haven't heard from him for a while. Hope the old boy is okay.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[100% “skeevie” that is, brrr... (you DID say one of the reason you were here was to brush up on conversational english, right?)]
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes and I also said I had a passion for history and politics.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It shows in your posts, ever thought of standing for your local parish or county council, do you have such things in Argentina?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gface, wasn't ProRG that daft woman living in the US who had a mad rant one night on her SussieUS account and never lived it down?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually yes I have, but Im a bit too young for that still. Once I finish getting my degree and having done other stuff. You do need a good number of contacts to start off from below. But as Im from a small community it shouldn't be that difficult. Despite all, little things are changing for the better that you dont quite recognize day by day.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want a good laugh about Alicia Castro written by a London based Argentine take a look here-I found her final words quite amusing.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://taboofart.com/2013/08/28/the-embarrassing-argentine-ambassador-to-the-uk-alicia-castro/
(39) CabezaDura
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I see it.....
“Mme. Malen” is an Anti-K sweet porteñita, mainly posting on them Islands related articles...
You, Mr. CabezaDura are a Comechingón Anti-K monito Tití...
Mr. DanyBerger seems quite Pro-K indeed, I believe him when he says he's German...
Mr. Marcos Alejandro is a Bostero.........................., so he doesn't count...
Mr. Think, su humilde servidor, writing to you all from his humble Patagonian post & beam shed...
Mr. Stevie aka Guzz has never said other than he is 100% Yorugua. He's currently a regular of the Månefiskeren coffee shop in Freetown Christiania though...
Mr. Toby aka TTT is as Cuyano as a 1 liter carton of vino Toro...
Mr. Pgerman is an Anti-K expat in Canada and as monito Tití as Mr.CabezaDura...
And..... let's not forget...:
Mr. AxelArg is a Pro-K porteño but... that wasn't always the case... I remember him being Radical some years ago...
Mr. Simon68, Malargüeño and Anti-K de corazón...
Mr.Pirat-Hunter, living in Canada banned some time ago... He was the Argie version of Mr. Conqueror...
A special mention goes to...:Mr. Artillero601...., Argie expat de noble estirpe militar (Surname: Menendez.... Brrrrr... Se me yela la sangre, se me), currently living in Texas...
Cordiale saludo a todo lo muchaco ...
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
Don't you mean El Think freezing his balls of Squatting in Scandinavia
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CD
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go for it, good luck with your degree.
@51 well she's hired to defend the indefensible in a country where all the facts are her host country's side so she's already walking up hill against water. But since she thinks that it's all downhill she comes off looking really bad in the interviews and public statements she does. Ambrose Bierce once said that Diplomacy is the art of patriotically lying for your country, but it helps to know when you are lying so you can get your mythology straight. She believes the mythology and thinks everyone else does too and that just makes her look... sad. I'm sure back home it gets interpreted as having moxie but for those outside of the bubble? Like I said earlier. Extradite me from my home to Kentucky for breaking God's laws by drinking beer in Manhattan and expect people to take you seriously? Uh... no.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 052) I dont know Think these guys know you far better of than I do I wouldnt be so sure you do have a Scandinavian leg. “Guzz” claimed to me he was an Argentine or he implied so at least.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the other users you mention I dont know them.
But the one I forgot is AxelArg is a coward and dishonest fanatical K with no logic to him and thinks the world of himself and he is just rubbish
Proposed EU-Mecosur trade deal going to be fun (if it gets off the ground)
Nov 30th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz was only on here to attack anyone who he deemed was attacking Argentina. It was all he was here for, until he was purged in the 'blank day' when MP switched off the comments section. He posted several times that he was from Uruguay and I never found anything to suggest anything different. After the 'blank day' he then went onto the MP Facebook page with a made up account so he could carry on ranting there... it didn't last.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz was infamous on here, I think his craziest and best hypothesis was, the USA orchestrated the 9/11 attack for an excuse to start a war on Islam.
Does anyone know if you feel offended by an ambassador in your own country by comments or certain actions is it acceptable to tell them so.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Danyberger
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Well Argentina can confiscate the oil and other assets when the get out of FI”
How?
Do the Argentine Navy now have ships that work and float?
Could the Liberturd keep up with a large oil tanker?
Also what you are suggesting is piracy-thought you didn't like pirates -so is it OK if Argentina performs the piracy?
@6
“You are NOT a Country....”
Yes they are a country.
Proof?=they compete in the Commonwealth Games and the Small Island Games.
@14
“I am rather drastic torpedoing the entire oil platform who is without authorization in the Argentine Sea and any vessel or device for this purpose”
It has authorisation from the Falkland Islands Government.
How are you going to torpedo the platforms? You haven't got many ships capable of floating.
Does the Liberturd carry torpedos then?
We wouldn't need to attack the Liberturd-just arrest it, guide it into port and let Paul Singer fly in to collect it.
In a democracy, I would say absolutely so!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 054) Thanks I appreciate that
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz/Stevie was a typical leftwing Latinoamericanist. Sort of the southamerican equivalent to the Euro fanatics. He hated govenrnments who ware not of the left wing bloc like the Colombian and Chilean ones. He somehow recognized the K government as a part of a puzzle in the grand scheme of things.
He had trouble accepting that CFK was bullying Uruguay and that he was pulling his pants down to her so was Mujica.
Guzz was a far more agressive version of Stevie. BK was more “neutral”. And its always the same guy we are talking about
(56) CabezaDura
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you dream of a future in politics, you will have to learn to discern more and insult less......
And of course i have a Scandinavian “Leg”...
I have said so innumerable times on these pages...
As I said to you before pibe... Te falta calle, mucha calle...
I miss Guzz, trying to work out his sense of logic was like trying to interprate a painting by Dali.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 052
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't get carried away CabezaDura, your deductions are not infallible. ....According to your absolute certainty... I am also Mr. Think....
As for EX-pats, Wannabes etc....this forum is riddled with British Pretenders....if you were more familiar with Queens English you would spot them....
BK is definitely not Stevie, there is no comparison in their use of the English language...
As for Scandinavian/Germanic roots that would pretty much account for most Anglos...Anglish...English too.
@6
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are NOT a Country....
You are a BOT...
BUB's !!!”
You really didn't THINK that one through did you Think, as what you said basically confirms what we all here have been telling you and others here for years, and that is that the Falkland Islands are British overseas territory and therefore British Sovereign Territory and not an Argentine overseas Territory and not Argentine Sovereign Territory.
So thank you Think for your support of British sovereignty of the Falkland Islands!!
64)
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes.... Sure Think... You are so slow that I can arrive have a coffee, go back again, return and you will not have even arrived yet. You should know what I mean by that.
Think.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You show me a politician that does not respond to insults and I will show you a shit politician.
Ferk me, you obviously never watched live broadcasts from the mother of all parliaments!
66 ) He who is not even Scottish
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66 Ah appeared at last, the rg expat afraid to go home talking about ex pats
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irish maybe? Short trip across that stretch of water.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(68) CabezaDura
Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An evergreen......., just for you, pibe....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G5nDUCt1YU
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do they call an English person living in Scotland.eh! Slattzzz?.....You are an Ex-Pat.... and White Settler...if you don't move home to England and Scotland gets Independence....
You will automatically become Scottish......Hahahaha.....and Ha!
What are you going to do?
“So you've got to let me know....Should I stay or should I go....”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ
@74 fraid not I will never be Scottish, what do they call an Englishman living in Scotland BRITISH, can't get it ? same as a Scotsman living in England BRITISH is the word your looking for. I'm not an expat I am a British man living in Britain, and you are?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If your English I'll eat my hat!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then again you could be one of them narcissists, you know, like those ones who use to blow up banks and throw bombs at heads of state, like those in Sarejavo in 1914.
That would explain it!
@76 who was that directed at?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not you, that's for sure!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 075
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does everyone now see the problem with the English Ex-pats.. they try to erode the Scottish identity saying it is British and not Scotland the land of the Scots as opposed to England the land of the English..
You are a foreigner living in a distinct Country ..Scotland that has a union with England.
Read the White paper... White settler, after Independence you will automatically become a citizen of Scotland if you reside there at that time...you will have Dual Nationality. Scottish and British.....in fact the only thing you will not have ...is English Nationality...:-)))
So never say never.....your only choice is to move home.....
@78
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not you Slatzzz.
@79
I don't know?
What does an Irish ex pat have to say on the subject?
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irish??? I don't know....why not ask one?
What does a Welsh Ex-pat have to say?...;-)))
@79 a little pick up from your rant Scotland is part of Britain FACT and not eroding Scottish identity, Scots are proud of their identity as are the English which makes Scots British and English British same said for the Welsh and N Irish, How can I have dual nationality Scottish and British if Scotland is no longer part of Britain? That's what sets us apart from idiots like you is that we recognise that fact and are proud of it, after independence if it happens you don't know what I will do, and I will always be English as you are Rgenweenian living in a foreign country. I have read the shite paper because it effects me and my family have you? I doubt it. How do you know I'm white ?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah good memory.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not English, obvious. Unless your a narcissist.
Not Welsh, that's for sure!
Not Scottish, judging by the trysts with Clyde.
Natural affinity With anything Anti British.
Loath to disclose nationality.
Living in Glasgow, your post on the crash of the OI99 on a pub down the road down the road from you. Hope all is going well there by the way.
Let's see, someone who is not English, not Welsh, not Scottish, highly educated, writes, thinks like and knows the British like he is one but is not one? Leaves only one nationality. Irish.
Proximity to Scotland suggests you took the boat and like any of your fellow countrymen and women, make your living over here.
So tell me, what does an Irish ex pat think on the subject,
@ A_Voice A yes vote is nothing more a vote to put that pompous ass Alex Salmond and his side kick Nicola “the fish face” Sturgeon who lets be honest most people would just love to give her a good slapping around the chops,oh and while we are at it why don't you get Salmond and Sturgeon to put their names to all the goodies they are bribing you with so when they don't (and they won't) deliver you can throw them both into the Clyde fanny first,.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@83 spot on mate
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 082
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are just a liar, I have been giving you enough rope to hang yourself with...You know nothing about Scotland and the Scottish Identity apart from the time you may or may not have spent there in employment...
You didn't understand that you would have a vote in the referendum when I mentioned it before, but if you lived there you would have known.
You have not read the White Paper or again you would realise I was right....Brits residing in Scotland at the time of Independence automatically become Scottish Citizens...Scottish!
They will be able to also keep their British Nationality and therefore become Dual Nationality...a British National and a Scottish National!
You say you live in Scotland and yet have never heard or the term White Settler! Look it up ...liar...
...and stop wasting my time with your pretence....I'm getting sick of exposing all the Pretender Wannabes.....
@ A_Voice , why the fear that 16 year olds are getting the vote
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 073) Silly hare he started showing off to the ladies... But the evergreen Toby didn't make it, here is the second part of the cartoon
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37gZccen4Q0
Suppose you do Paddy, or would you prefer to be called Mick?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q. What's the different between an Englishman and an Irishman living in Scotland?
A. The Englishman does not try to hide who he is!
@86 right then prick lets get it on then I have lived in Scotland since 1979 have a Scottish wife. I know full well I have a vote thank you. I don't care if they say if I vote I will automatically become a Scottish citizen I WILL ALWAYS be ENGLISH. White settler a term in Scotland don't fuckin think so dickhead you would get strung up for that, so stop wasting mine and everybody's else's time as the troll and misinformed idiot you are
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We see argentine power growing ever bigger,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some say- she will enforce her laws on the UK,
Her flag will fly over parliament,
Its her rules of the highway for the rest of the world,
Argentina seems to forget one itsy weenie tiny minute little problem with all the female Testosterone, unless you can enforce your will on others,
It’s a complete waste of time and tongue wagering..lol
So they say….
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@90 slattzzz Nice piece of straight talking mate good on ya
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To change the subject a little, my Argentinian friends here in London (good people, bright, educated friendly and polite) are excited by the thought of Argentina playing host to the Rugby Union World cup in 2023.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any thoughts?
Perhaps they could share them with the Falklands, who could host a first round game; Argentina vs Japan for example. How could the ”Malvistas' object. Surely from their point of view it will still be played on Argentine soil.
Not to be rude but is any South American country good enough or to be trusted to host such big tournaments example BRAZIL?????
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(93) rupertbrooks0
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rugby tried trice already…..
Them Falklandists ain’t keen bout the idea…
http://www.rugbysinfronteras.org/acciones/2009-islasmalvinas/
http://www.rugbysinfronteras.org/acciones/2009-islasmalvinas/
http://www.rugbysinfronteras.org/acciones/2009-islasmalvinas/
Passing legislation which directly seeks to harm the Falkland Islands economy and
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Recent attempts to disrupt trade, tourism, and air links, and to flagrantly claim the Islanders’ resources
is in direct contradiction of Argentine Government claims that all it wants is dialogue.
Why cant Britain and the commonwealth provide more trade, tourism and air links
To the Falklands,
And cut argentina and the rest out of the loop altogether,,
Just a thought..
it would save all the hassle.
@90
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good on you Slatzzz.
I am Welsh born and bred, married an English girl 30 years ago and have lived in England ever since.
Wow, now there's a concept that might catch on, lived here longer than anywhere else, might qualify me to comment on where I liv! You think?
This twat has obviously never served? or he would know, that where you come from does not mean shit!
Hers a good example why NO major sporting events should be held in Argentina
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-24129193
They still seem to be a little dare I say 3rd world still.
90
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at you foaming at the mouth....Swear...swear...swear....;-)))
“White settler a term in Scotland don't fuckin think so dickhead you would get strung up for that, so stop wasting mine and everybody's else's time as the troll and misinformed idiot you are”
Misinformed...moi?
http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org/Pages/SRSMArticlesWhiteSettlersGoHome.aspx
I love it when I catch all the pretenders out...they go ballistic....I love it...love it...love it...
Hahahha....English....so do you have English Nationality or British?
andy65
Are you a Yank?....“you can throw them both into the Clyde fanny first,.”
You do know what a Fanny in the UK is...?
...16 year olds.....would you trust the judgement of a testosterone fuelled kid?....Braveheart....etc.
...and yeah straight talking lies is all you are hearing from Slattzzz.....Good on ya!....
83 reality check.....Yorkshire
...Married t'Yorkshire lass...
No everything was not alright Eight dead and 14 seriously injured....
“Christina McKelvie SNP MSP for Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse tweets: it's a pub full of song writers, poets, musicians, philosophers, intellectuals and ordinary amazing working class folk. #Clutha”
...again....Irish???
@99 A_Voice yes you prick I'm here on the South Coast between Southampton and Bournemouth sending all my taxes up north and yes fanny first into the Clyde Nicloa and Alex when they fail to deliver on the fairy tales they are telling you all - you need to ask yourself why they can not give you all those promises now??????
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All who are born in the British islands are in fact British,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The mere fact that on the land, names of bits of it are airily silly,
Names change over time,
The British Isles have been here since the ice age, brrrrr,
Besides ,
If luck was against us,
We would all be nomandians would we not….lol
Or French , or Spanish , or ??
still,
im an argie get me out of here has started...
Hard to understand why some of these Scots feel so badly done to,had to laugh when Sturgeon say's that Scotland gets a government every time that they never voted for-GUESS WHAT so does 50% of the rest of the UK but that's democracy for you.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paddy, Mick!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Extremely sorry to hear of the number of dead and injured but give thanks that it was not more.
As for your SNP quote, what? the life of a philosopher, poet, musician or an intellectual, is worth more than a tramp, street cleaner, domestic, drug addict or prostitute?
Nice to see that you and her can quantify the measure of a persons , by their intellectual achievement in their life!
Your fucking arrogance knows no bounds!
TWIMC
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I Think that any true Scot should vote for a Scotland free of the English yoke...
I Think that any true Scot should vote for a Scotland free of the English joke...
Ah! Problem,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An English man who is the son of a Scots man and a welsh mother,
His Scottish father was the son of a manix man who mar a lady from Guernsey
And his welsh mother was the daughter of an Irish man who mar a lady from the Orkney islands
This English man wants to mar a lady from Argentina,
Now then, by marrying this lady, does this give CFK a claim to the UK via this lady, through to the Englishman’s relations..their land , assets and thus British sovereignty….lol
..lol
Ordinary working folk, poets, musicians, philosophers, writers!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, meet them every fucking day!
I think your lady “Christina McKelvie SNP MSP was being a little tongue in cheek with her statement about intellectuals it was an old Sca band playing at the time a typical back street Glaswegian pub that attracted simple everyday people.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our sympathy go to the injured in Scotland involved in that nasty helicopter crash,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We hear its still ongoing..
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Probably we're working class poets etc there, but the majority would have been normal hard working class people enjoying a night out.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fucking rediculous trying to turn the site of a tragedy into a the mass destruction of a crowd of Dylan Thomases!
Saying that, I saw the labour member of parliament being interviewed on Sky and I have to say I was very impressed, no politics, just concern and humanity for the people of Glasgow, very impressed, the guy got it right!
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...Idiot read this then tell me how your taxes are going up North...
if you are getting £2000 more than you put in.....
Don't bother trying to answer...you are just an idiot.....
The basic facts are that Scotland accounts for 8.4% of the UK population, 8.3% of the UK's total output and 8.3% of the UK's non-oil tax revenues - but 9.2% of total UK public spending.
If you add the oil revenue....Scotland would provide 9.4% of total UK revenues as opposed to 'only' 9.2% of UK public spending.
If you define a subsidy as getting more in spending than you put back in revenues, it's worth remembering that all of the UK are being subsidised by the Treasury these days. It's just that when we're talking about the UK they call it a budget deficit....
If you apply the same kind calculation to the UK as a whole, the net 'subsidy' for the average person was well over £2,000 last year compared to the Scottish subsidy of £3,150 per head .....without oil revenue...
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Are you just stupid?
She was saying the pub was full of different people??...WTF!!
paddy mick....haha is that supposed to mean something to me...;-))))
..can I make you attack the cornish as well?......
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your lady????
How is she my lady???
What exactly are you assuming.....you idiot......;-)))))
...so easily manipulated....
...anyone else want join and make a dick of themselves?
and show what Nationalistic dickheads you all are.....;-))))
@99 that's your response is it a quote from the Scottish socialist paper? grow up you dickhead. Stop posting now because you make yourself out to be a tree hugging leftie twat every time you hit the keys. Think shut up you know nothing of Scotland or it's people and every time you mention it cements peoples opinions of you, you are not Scottish and have never lived in Scotland and your opinion is about as worthwhile as an rg warship, why don't you go back to one of your alias's at least they were worth a read. Honestly a pair of twats gobbing off about a topic that they 1. don't have fuck all to do with and 2. Know fuck all about...pathetic
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ A_Voice, Your the one making a dick of yourself mate I'm kicking back here,Nice to see local Labour MP helping out last night with sleeves rolled up Salmond and Sturgeon no where to be seen.just listend to a VERY ENGLISH sounding chief constable they have up there in Glasgow Sir Stephen House I guess there is a shortage of good officers north of the border
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The basic facts are that Scotland accounts for 8.4% of the UK population, 8.3% of the UK's total output and 8.3% of the UK's non-oil tax revenues - but 9.2% of total UK public spending. Well numbnuts that's . 09 in the wrong box isn't it?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The irony is if it was left to The English to vote in the referendum Scotland would be gone tomorrow but left to The scots the NO vote has been infront since day one so I ask what is it that Scots are afraid of ???????
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paddy. Mick.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am stupid. What fucking planet do you live on?????
Philosophers, writers, musicians etc, etc , etc are normal working class people!
Jesus Christ, if she said, welders, metal cutters, fabricators and laboures! I would agree with you.
That is not for one minute suggesting that such people with such abilities not exist in Glasgow, but to portray the like as nrmal working people on a night out?
Shit you need to get out a bit more Paddy!
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was that it....do you want me to post another dozen links to the term White Settlers in Scotland....it's a common term for the English and you have proved without a shadow of a doubt that you had never heard of it.....
So save it..I'm not interested in your lies and fantasies.
Use it on people that know no better....for the gullible...
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Doh!.....Scotland Yard
Do you think all Scots have a Scottish accent?..Try visiting Inverness
What exactly is your point?
You have already demonstrated that you are as thick as two short planks...what more can you do?
Dazzle us with your dimness?
Argentina: invade the falklands now.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon if you think youre f###ing hard enough
Andy the Scots are not afraid and Salmond is getting what he wants, discord through the ranks, he doesn't want independence as it will show him up to be the twat he is, he is pushing for devo max, however it is blowing up in his face as we speak because the rest of the UK is getting pissed off and he will soon find himself in a place that will be irreversible and shit himself and he can't now back down. As for Stink ignore the prick he has no knowledge of Scotland, I'm an Englishman living in Scotland and have for 30+ years that numpty can tell me nothing I have heard it all before. It's a wind up says it lives in Scotland but when I offer it to come through to Fife and discuss it face to face disappears onto another subject, the difference is I'm not scared to back up my arguments and not scared to say who I am, why? because I have nothing to hide. Think, TTT, A Voice? If you've got the guts use them if not shut the fuck up
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought this article was about the FALKLANDS not Scotland.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But having said that, most Scots would prefer to stay in the Union as they have not done too badly after 300 years. It is only the Scottish Nationalist Party that wants independence. It is Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon that want their names remembered in history.
@110
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@110
“...anyone else want join and make a dick of themselves?”
Nope- Chan eil ach beagan Gàidhlig agam
I can get by giving dog commands, polite niceties on introduction, follow gist of conversation ( assisted by the increasing adoption of english words and phrases within gaelic). As for reading - not at all. It can be difficult, even for those who were brought up with gaelic as a first language, but then educated in english. Of course, in some areas of Scotland, full education in the gaelic medium is an option.
Strathclyde is not Scotland, as Yorkshire is not England - although it has slightly less than the population of Scotland.
The term “white settler” is a derogatory term - long used, unhelpful - as the reality is that the English migrate northwards to partake of the relatively advantageous conditions.
Tapadh leat
right here's the link to A voices White settlers that no one has ever heard of, wonder why eh?http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org/Pages/SRSMArticlesWhiteSettlersGoHome.aspx
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make your own mind up for me it sums up A voice to a tee. A little short on intelligence and a long way off any credibility
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the City of Glasgow and the pub is in the heart of the City....
If I said that... in the city of London or Paris or New York I might find it to be teeming with artists, aspiring writers, musicians, poets, intellectuals and amazing ordinary working class folk....would you think that unusual?
Who doesn't play an instrument?
Who hasn't witten a poem?
Who hasn't posed a philosophical argument..?
It could be applied to lots of pubs....it was a compliment and yes you are obviously stupid...
It may be that your local in Yorkshire doe not have people like this....but maybe it's not a vibrant city...
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....Liar....
Paddy.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, there you go again, there is the insult, always at the end of your posts!
You must live in a small world, must be a scientific impossibility for two egos to occupy the same space!
It is only the Scottish Nationalist Party that wants independence. It is Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon that want their names remembered in history.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it true, that if the SNP loses,
It could depart from the uk, and apply for political asylum is Brussels …
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@122 is that your best retort , liar. a single word answer with no response. Is that because I have asked you to meet me in Scotland (where I live) and can back up my arguments whereas you are being shown up for the fake troll that you are?
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ A_Voice LOL your hysterical and did not answer the question-why is the NO campaign still in the lead?? as I said if it was left to the English in a referendum Scotland would be on it's own tomorrow so what are THE MAJORITY afraid of I mean you have produced figures already to say how wealthy you are so what's the problem surely by now the YES vote should be romping home
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHAT IS A DIALOGUE FOR YOU?.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I often read that the members of the government from the islands complain about the lack of dialogue with c. f. k's government. Beside, they usually repeat that for argentina there is just one solution, due to according to their interpretation, because of the article included in the reform of our constitution in 1994, which says that argentina wants to recover the full sovereignty of the islands, they have always expressed that argentina only would accept a total submission of the islands to the sovereignty of our country.
However, they have always manifested that they are disposed to talk to our authorities about different issues, but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem.
Beside, the secret proposal of 1974 treated between both governments, which reffered to a shared sovereignty, read by c. f. k. last year before the u. n., destroys the tipicall mischievous lecture that the members of the government from the islands usually express, in relation to argentina's posture.
At the same time that they say that they have right to self determination, they complain before the u. n. about the way this cause has always been considered by that institution, due to since 1965, the malvinas-falkland cause has always been considered like a special case, in fact, it has never applied the right to self determination for this cause, as the u. n. did with other colonial situations. I recommend you to read the statements of the lawmakers from the islands before the u. n., like norma edward's of june 24th 2010, search it in the news archive of this website.
In my opinion, c. f. k's government should include the government from the islands in the proposal of dialogue that it usually asks the u. k., but the sovereignty should be included in the conversations. It's not imposible to find a solution which respects the rights of the three parts, otherwise, the proposal of the lawmakers from the islands wouldn't be a dialogue, but a submission.
@126 they are just romping mate
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And before you say I am anti Scottish if given the chance I would vote to keep the Union my life living in the South of England is no better than yours up in Scotland I just believe we are better together as a nation.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slatzzz.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love it how he always has to end with an insult!
Obvious sign of insecurity.
123
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you started with the insult @97
once you do that..I will do the same and more...
if you don't...I don't......
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So you speak a little Gaelic....so do I...it's remembering the aspirations....Bh Mh etc....not difficult.....
125
Why would I want to go to Fife... I'm in Glasgow tomorrow.....if you are so sure I don't exist...I'll be there most of the day.....feel free to pop along....
Do you know the city centre?....Runty little English are most welcome...;-)))
There are three Starbucks near George Square...take your pick.....English fanny....
@ A_Voice Your an idiot if you can not have dialogue without insulting people then you deserve to be ignored-hope you enjoy your independence.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0andy /reality check I am English but have lived in Scotland for 30+ years, however no little prick like a voice etc will stop me being what I am, unfortunately if the idiots on here had any real experience of life rather than google they wouldn't be so quick to express their crap, IE A Voices quote. WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org/Pages/SRSMArticlesWhiteSettlersGoHome.aspx FFS even Alex salmond hasn't heard of these idiots
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slattzzz ,voice met his match with you that's why he resorts to bad mouthing.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A VOICE & SLATTZZZ
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL im intreagued about the encounter!
Let us know what happened
A_Voice you better be sure you win the next referendum next year.
@124
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No unfortuneately, I understand that they have been offered employment byCFK ( who has incidently read the white paper ) secretly loved the way it was worded. We will do this , we will do that, but has not asked the UK Government and the electorate what we think. It is all supposition and no answers.
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's a difference between insulting someone and putting them in their place I believe you have been given the latter by several people on this forum now please go away and crawl back under the stone you came from.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it wont happen he will disappear behind his keyboard again, he constantly calls me a liar about my 28 years in the RN, I offered him to come down to the Type 42 reunion in Pompey, said he was in Rgenweener, SHITE, it's all shite that comes across from him/her/it. NO bottle just words,
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@127: You have no one to tell those lies to here, Axel and you know it. They have been debunked repeatedly. The UNGA c. 2008 explicitly voted down that cynical and self-serving idea that self-determination doesn't apply to the Falklands and Gibraltar just because you and Spain covet them and they want nothing to do with either of you. The ICJ in an analogous ruling also placed local self-determination as the top priority trumping colonialist lusts. Why do you keep telling this lie over and over when the facts are a google search away.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for dialog, your government had the most golden opportunity for dialog in years in February all ready to go and it ran and none of the usual excuses are sufficient. Argentina ran away after all was prepared. Timerman could have behaved as a statesman with a Nixon Goes to China moment or a bull in a china shop like a flamboyant thug either would have satisfied some audience but more importantly either would have shown that your government was serious. It wasn't. The whole trip was for domestic consumption in Argentina proper and the world saw it for what it was. So you think the FIG should be involved? Good. But it's empty lip service when you know that your government doesn't and won't and you know exactly why. It doesn't want to get the islands back and it knows that it can't. The law and facts are against it and more against it every day as the Islands become more and more self-sufficient and self-governing. It's too useful to string along people like you.
In the meanwhile the Islanders have said “NO!” to you over and over and their right to self-determination trumps all regardless of the lies you were taught and repeat over and over. The Islanders have said “NO!” each time they've been consulted as per UN resolution 2065 which requires their interests to be taken into account and London respected that in the end and continues to do so today. Why can't you? What part of “NO!” don't you understand?
137) Wait how does he know you havent got a cousin or some acquaintance in Glasgow you can send over ??? Or you for that matter how would you know he is him??
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@131
Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So you speak a little Gaelic....so do I...it's remembering the aspirations....Bh Mh etc....not difficult.....”
A little more than that. My heritage is Hebridean, and I retain a home and croft there.
I stated that Strathclyde is not Scotland and it is indeed not. You seem to have commenced Hogmanay somewhat prematurely.
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0143) OK you have made your stance pretty clear. It's clearly he backing out now when he has a chance to prove himself...
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But A_Voice you better be sure the scots vote yes next year, because if they dont you are going to look very stupid
Sorry ChrisR.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a god.
I just read on here A-voice, challenging Slatzzz to a Dick Measuring Contest!
Still LMAO.
Such intelligence, such intellect!
Rare on an individual who posts on here.
A-Voice. Have you been drinking!!!
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Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I personally think it will be a no vote...
The economic figures don't add up so I personally think at the moment that will be for the better...
It doesn't mean they have the right to trash Scotland or in fact Argentina...
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hahah...I'm just off to the pub now....
...it appears I'll be in Glasgow on my own....
Actually guys I have discovered who VOICE really is.You will see in this video sat to the left of Cristina.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9LK-xzRe0
146) LOL “ for the moment”....... It wont be a issue for another 100 years at least, after making such a fuss, you better get your act together. Its simple you are either in the Union or not.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think chances are England will emancipate from the Union before the Scots do... That is more likely
@146
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a pint of heavy for me.
Been out in Glasgow once, loved it!!!
So this comments section started with another Think faux pas and ends with another ranting A_Voice.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gawds it's like Groundhog Day on here.
30C here today so I'm off to walk the dog before it heats up. Lovely to see that as per usual Think had no comeback to me yet again proving him wrong. Nice deflection though… noice, different, unusual - now that is an Aussie joke!
@148
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think chances are England will emancipate from the Union before the Scots do... That is more likely”
I think not. The english seem to have a masochistic tendency - giving sustenance to any that trek half way across the world to seek a place of 'safety' - or committing to circa £12.6 billion in foreign aid, whilst it is expected that over 30,000 of their own elderly citizens will die as a consequence of the cold winter to come.
Maybe English are all that, but I still think its even more unlikely the Scots break up with London.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice says we do not have the right to trash Argentina I say try telling the Scots guards that
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@159Anglotino
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congrats to you Aussies on winning the Rugbt League World Cup. Watched it, no doubt you were the better side. Polite way of saying, you thrashed them!!!
I do not see what the problem is?
If Scotland votes for Independence, then they will have it. That is what living in a democracy means.
On a personel level, I would hate to see them leave, because in my opinion they contribute so much ad a people to what the UK is.
Still democracy will be respected, ain't it a bitch!
Think- for what its worth I believe you live in southern Chubut! You and I have corresponded at time son things only someone who lives in these latitudes knows as part of seaosnal life.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel - giver the level of hatred and distrust the 10 years of Kirschenerism has done to Islanders attitudes to Argentina - can even you not see that no negotiations will EVER startabout anything, if you insist on Sovereignty being on the Agenda from day 1!
You start talking about items of mutual interest that do not involve Sovereignty!
@144 I don't back out of anything mate as I said bring it omn
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To put my 10p worth into the “White Settler” argument, it is a term that is occasionally used. It refers to a certain type of “Home counties” English who move up to Scotland after selling their property in the south for huge sums of money and outbidding the locals by large amounts for houses in rural areas. The result is that locals can no longer buy houses in the area where they were born.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An example I know of is on the Island of Arran. Prices for modest cottages are more than the locals can pay. These are bought up and turned into holiday homes and empty for parts of the year.
On my last trip to Brodick, I noticed that the ship was full of “English accents”. I mentioned to one of the crewmen that Arran was getting popular with English tourists. He said that they were all there visiting their relations who had bought property there to retire.
The Solway coast is another example. You are as likely to hear a “plummy” english accent as Scots. There has been a huge influx from the well-off, buying property in Kipford, Rockcliffe and the Kirkcudbright area. Properties in this area are advertised in the southern english papers and estate agents.
Areas of Argyll have the same problem.
The nick name for the Isle of Mull is the “Officer's mess”
Again, the settler syndrome also applies to rural Wales and Cornwall.
I am sure the Lake District has the same problem.
However, the epithet does not apply to the many English who have come up to work in these areas of Scotland. They have contributed to their communities by running shops, small businesses and being mainly young, with children, have breathed life into semi-moribund societies AND kept local schools open.
Over the past 50 years I have met many of them in NW Sutherland, running mini bus services, craft shops and small stores and working damned hard for a living.
The term “White settler” does not apply to them.
I hope we can put this one to bed as it is NOT anti-English.
@ Clyde15, Your reasoning does apply to the whole of the UK wealthy scots have holday appartments where I live it's not a one way road.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slatzzz.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ferk him mate, he's a keyboard warrior!
Islander1
Any talk of sovereignty died forever and for good, with the first round fired by a RM on in the early hours of 2nd April, 1982.
156) Well its really not me who you need to talk to about that. It's not me who claims to live in Glasgow.. You sort of said forget the whole thing he will not show up and dissapeared, so I assumed you ware no longer interested. He's said he wanted to meet you up in any of those centric Starbucks tomorrow. Of course you dont have to go, but it might be fair to recognize its time we stop judging his whereabouts.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(155) Islander1
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the same reasons I never doubted you being a Kelper.....
Sorry to say but..... there are no more “items of mutual interes” between us but soverignty...
We Argies tried the cooperation road for decades and it was a veritable “Road to Nowhere”...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk
CD
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think Slatzzz replied to the wrong post?
Can you ferkin believe it, A-Voice actually called him out for a fight.
Line after line of so called intelligent input on here and what does he resort to?
“I can do you mate!”
All I understand this is a matter of proving one's own existance or not... Just show up in a coffee shop in Glasgow, say hello and goodbye. No pistols, no swords no boxing gloves either...Why should they fight?
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you I'm not 100% sure Voice lives there but we cant blame him as a fake from now on.
@ Think and that road to no where wont lead to anywhere anytime soon
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0While I'm here little message from oil company's for you and I quote
” Indsustry sources say they are not fazed they said
the argentine legal system would only apply on it's own soil,which London listed firms have long since learned to avoid (chuckle chuckle)
Supplies and equipment are often flown or shipped directly from Houston,Aberdeen and Stavanger while local transport is routed via Chile instead of Argentina.
161) I think Argentines would benefit a lot if they could just travel to the islands without passing through Chile from a ferry or a flight from Gallegos and open up a account in a bank there or exchange pesos or US$ dollars for £.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll be all day tomorrow at Aldea Apeleg, Chubut.
So, if any of you Paddie, Jock, Taff or Pom pirates have anything you wish to “Clarify”, you know where to find me.
:-)))
@ Think, I thought you were a cleaner at the Royal Palace Stockholme
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0165) Not that it wouldn't be a diplomatic nightmare have something so simple like that done. Leaving aside the politics its impossible but in practical terms it would be very helpful.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0AFIP already taxed Argentine tourist on their card expenses a 20% in the islands, and authorizes limited exhanges of US dollar so the Argentine inland tax organism actually trates the islands as British or foreign.
http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/AFIP-compras-Malvinas-extranjero_0_885511488.html
Think.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Decades of cooperation?
That would be since that thieving bastard Peron seized power would it?
Never were, never will be your islands!
168 CabezaDura
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Islas Malvinas are currently under military occupation by a foreign power and using foreign currency.....
It is only reasonable that, until those minor inconveniencies are properly resolved, our Tax Office treats them Islands as occupied territory...
169) No, during the 1970s Argentina agreed whith Britain a seducing policy towards the islands to make a smooth transition. Thats why you had Aerolineas an YPF operating on the islands prior to the war. Both of the companies at the time were Argentine State owned.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ill be glad if I could just go there and open up a savings account in £ on the islands. But it must be virtually imposible if not a crime.
@ CabezaDura May I remind you that Aerolines is still state owned and must be according to it's chairman one of the only airlines in the world happy that it does not make a profit
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0(171) CabezaDura
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't Aerolineas, pibe........................... It was LADE....
By the way... any Kelper in here who knows what happened with this beauty?
http://www.testdelayer.com.ar/dodged200malvinas.htm
@171 ...and over time the islanders eventually felt their frog being boiled and pitched a fit to London... And of course there isn't much left of the relationship to seduce back.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0But it is unfortunate that Menem's reproachment strategy was rejected by the Kirchners. Getting the islands back, as we've discussed, I think has no chance, but there are opportunities galore between fair dealers on both sides. As for plain old investment, like you said, your revenue people [correctly] treat the Islands as foreign but as I've said before, morally as long as you're over 21, you should be able to go to New York or New Orleans and [responsibly] drink a beer, even if you live in Allen County Kentucky. And I think we all know that CFK is laundering money for retirement. At least she didn't get caught with a bag of dollars in the bathroom like some people (I mean *really*).
@ Think is that the airline that daughter of a rat worked for Alicia GINGER Castro LAID?? that must be where she fell pregnant on a LAID flight LOL here's what a London based Argentine blogger says about Castro's illegitimate daughter
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Ambassador should keep the parade of her daughter for private functions possibly in the Embassy because she is too young and does not have Pippa’s style. She comes across as an undereducated student desperate to get fucked and by She, I mean, the Argentine Republic.”
DOES THE NEW ITALIAN POPE KNOW ABOUT THIS DAUGHTER
170) The AFIP has no choice as of currency goes. But when Etchegaray is charging a extra 20% on debit and credit purchases on the islands as they woud on any other foreing purchase then there is no more excuses. Its treating the islands as foreing. And we are not talking about a lot of money in that the Argentines must spend in the Malvinas anyway....
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0171) It was privatized in the 1990s but re nationalized in 2008, still Think is I believe right, but it was just another State Company LADE that operated on the Islands, either way its a mute point
@176, And you don't have the equivalent of inter-state or inter-provincial tariffs against which they can whitewash this, do you?
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ CabezaDura Why don't you ask Cristina where she puts her money?? I mean I would be able to speak with my MP though I do believe Kirchner does not like interacting with you Argentines
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@165
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Besides Veterans and military families have you ever heard of any Argentine saying “I'm going to the Falklands on vacation!”. It's even lower down the scale than the phrase “I'm going to La Plata on vacation”.
And that's with a lifestime of brainwashing and inculcation about the islands from the government.
Imagine if the sovereignty obsession did not exist. I don't think anyone in Argentina would even know the islands existed.
@The Truth PaTroll Including you I would imagine most Argentines could not afford the air fare
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@180
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most British can't afford to go to the dentist, from visual inspection. So I think you are worst off chap.
Think says:
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Islas Malvinas are currently under military occupation by a foreign power”
Not according to the UN; there is only a sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK over the COUNTRY of Falkland Islands. Non-self governing does not equate to military occupation except in the minds of simpletons.
Nostrils says:
“Imagine if the sovereignty obsession did not exist. I don't think anyone in Argentina would even know the islands existed.”
Aaah imagine indeed. Pity the pathetic politicians from 1940s Argentina that couldn't live with that reality before they invented the Malvinas myth didn't think twice before hobbling their patria with such a useless obsession.
177) Im not sure If I follow you. You mean the goods purchased on the Malvinas by Argentines ??
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do wonder if they accept Chilean currency on the Island banks
Most British get FREE dental health care you idiot so if they chose not to go its through choice ,choice being a dirty word in Argentina or lack of it
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@182
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0And your point? My point was only vacation locales.
@183 For example, presuming that you have localized VAT or sales taxes, If you purchase something by distance (e.g., by mail order or internet order) or even in person from a source in Tierra Del Fuego but live in Entre Rios do you pay the tax for Entre Rios? Ie., an inter-province tariff.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would have said no but I'm starting to doubt now if they are not considered in the “gastos de envio”. What you have here is diferential taxes on fuel, land etc whith in different provinces. VAT is prety much the same for all the consumers in all provinces.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Macri said inflation is over 30%, no surprise there. I'm still holding to my guesstimate from last year of close to 40% by year end.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does that insure hyper inflation next year.
I think so.
186) Sorry yes there is differential tariffs amongst different provinces. You would pay regularly something along the way. But not a 20% on debit and credit purchases!! You must already be paying outside a VAT on the services and goods you buy and these plonkers take a 20% bite out of it too.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bdoargentina.com/downloads/impuestos/Ley_Tarifaria_Cordoba_2013.pdf
@189 From what you describe taxes (not really a tariff?) may vary but the local part of the tax is collected and dispersed in the province/district/town in which it is collected which is what we have in the US except for the dodgy internet sales tax “Amazon tax” which is a tariff in all respects (except of course that interstate tariffs are unconstitutional) since that “special” tax is supposed to be collected by the vendor and sent back to where the business isn't and the business's municipality gets nothing. The dodgy IST regime sounds the closest to legitimizing taxing “Malvinas” transactions and keeping them domestic.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 052 Think “Mr. Marcos Alejandro is a Bostero.........................., so he doesn't count...”
Dec 01st, 2013 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have mercy on your father, he feels he is not doing his job when you mess up dear RiBer :-))
Like the fabled wolf, the Argentine government huffs and puffs but the house of Falklands does NOT blow down, and why is this? Because the house is strong, it has firm legal and historic foundations and great and powerful friends.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once again the Argentine government has fallen into the trap of:
1. misreading the winds of our times,
2. overestimating its own power and influence,
3. underestimating its opponents, and
4, believing its own spin and bs.
Foolishly it continues down the road of self humiliation, its huffing and puffing becomes increasingly shrill and desperate and the world watches in bemusement as 3000 thousand Falkland Islanders humiliate a country that has pretensions to be a major player on the international stage. How embarrasing, how humiliating, how bizarre. How typical!
Human Rights lauded by Argentina with Panama...
Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN thinks that Argentina is a Hypocrite Nation:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/11/30/un-independent-expert-suggests-argentina-audits-foreign-debt-and-improves-social-conditions
@161 Think,
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you seriously expect the road to lead to, señor, when you desperately wanted our lslands(& we're not giving them to anyone), but were not prepared to offer anything in exchange.
They are not for sale, my good man. Not to you or anyone else.
Please close the gate on your way out.
“We have the right to develop our own natural resources” and “Argentine domestic legislation does not apply to the Falklands”
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of says it all really doesn't it? The 2013 clear thinking award goes to........ The FIG!!!
Gov't hinting at 8/1 official Peso by June!
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0They also said they're going to let the middle class have their last summer of good times and by June all subsidies and payments will disappear.
I wonder what our SuperK posters will post then?
Won Decade in exchange for 2 Generations of poverty.
Think- You say we have no mutual interests between us other than Sovereignty?
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0We would be happy to discuss the following;
South West Atlantic Fisheries Management and Conservation.
Seabird conservation issues in Fisheries- eg Albatross accidental catch control(the Islands are a worl leader in minimising albatross bycatch).
and plenty more to follow. All these used to happen and relations were slowly improving - until a certain couple threw all their dollies out of the pram in 2002-03.
ps - remember the old LADE truck, but not its fate.
@Think What is it your neighbours call you (Argentines) a bunch of thieves
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0(191) Marcos Alejandro…
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have to be extremely cautious not to let our full agreement on such trivial little things as the Malvinas Issue overshadow, in any way, our fundamental abhorrence for each others Football teams ;-)
(194) lsolde…
You say…:
”Please close the gate on your way out.”
I say…:
I ALWAYS close them gates, dahling… What do you take me for…? A Pom…?
(196) Fred Bates, shoebox realtor & cokehead extraordinaire
As I have expressed many times before, periodic & controlled mini-devaluations are the best way to reach a convenient and competitive dollar exchange rate…
That is exactly what this administration is doing and that’s why the black market dollar is collapsing…
At the present rate of controlled mini-devaluations, the value of the Peso should, by June 2014, be somewhere between 7-7.5 Pesos to the Dollar…
Very good news for our production & export oriented economy…
About them subsidies for the well off classes…… High time for them to disappear…
(197) Islander1
You say…:
“We would be happy to discuss the following:
South West Atlantic Fisheries Management and Conservation.
Seabird conservation issues in fisheries.
And plenty more to follow….
I say…:
I bet you would….
As said before; we did drive that road for decades and you short-changed us in every imaginable way…
Ask cheeky Mme. Cheek...... Sshe’s one of your best at it ;-)
Ps...:
If I know you Kelpers right.... The truck is safely kept in a shed, somwhere...
You never know which parts could be usefull one day...
Ys by all means devalue your way to riches. It has worked so well in Zimbabwe and Venezuela or even your own history.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has it not?
Do you think the next gov't will be forced to come up with another currency?
My gosh this one has been around so long! Almost a generation! Wow!
Well not quite a generation now that I think about it.
I hear the Christmas bonuses are not going to come this year.
Will you be forced to eat your dogs?
“Falklands government accuses Argentina of yet another attempt to undermine the Islands economy”
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The government of the Malvinas? Who Nigel Haywood???
Go to the shit!
201. There is no Malvinas. There are no Unicorns. There is Santa Claus.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any other fantasies need bursting?
190) If I go to Uruguay, Brazil, the Malvinas/Falklands or wherever I get deducted 20% of my card transactions from the AFIP at a 20% rate. Thats is as far as my knolwgde goes, are you saying that the AFIP should give some of that money back to Tierra del Fuego or to the Islands gov't??
Dec 01st, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0201 José Malviner
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. Nigel Hayward is the Governor and represents the Queen in her absence. Equally His Excellency The Right Honourable David Johnston is Governor General of Canada.
The Government of the Falklands referred to in the article are all democratically elected representatives of the Falklands people. They make up the legislature, which passes the laws under which the Falklanders live. Its by far the oldest democracy on South America.
I hardly think you can complain. If Argentina had there way the islands would a colony of Argentina, forcibly incorporated into the Province of Tierra Del Fuego. Strange when you think that Tierra Del Fuego didn't become part of Argentina until the 1880's, by which time the Falklands had had its own government for 50 years.
Meanwhile the Falklands governments accusation that Argentina is trying to undermine their economy is pretty accurate. They self evidently are.
What kind of a country is Argentina when it, a country of 40 million people so blatantly is attempting to bully and intimidate 3.000 peaceful Falklanders. The people of the islands have given free democratic expression of their wishes and I just don't understand in this time in history why Argentina has so little respect for democracy and human rights.
@203, Well what your taxman does is their business (and sadly yours I guess)... but if the right hand is making laws as if the Falklands are part of Argentina then the left hand should likewise tax (or not tax) transactions as if they are, right? Just do the flat exchange rate on the card transaction and leave the 20% out since after all, “the transaction on both sides are happening ”in Argentina.” This IS the game they want to play, right? ;-)
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0205) LOL this is not politics. I dont think so, the only game they are playing is squeezing the Argentine tax payer, robbing people of their money in every possible way due to their mismanagment and corruption, limiting our freedom in every possible way, the first thing you want to do nowadays is reach the end of the month and get rid of your pesos and turn them into something that doesnt lose value, and even in that they will try to limit your possibilities of defending yourself against the same problem they created.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway if it means recognizing the Islands as a foreing jurisdiction in order to have a little extra money they will do so despite any rethorical question. No question about it.
@206, Yup, that's how the taxman flows, baby!
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CD, Doesn't the population see what is happening in Venezuela? That is the model and the road CFK has tried to emulate.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find it flabbergasting that there aren't daily riots.
I can't imagine what would happen in the USA if we taxed BMW & Mercedes at 50%. It is ridiculous! (and illegal)
@197
Dec 01st, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You consider that you have no mutual sovereignty interest with Argentina. I would agree with your position. I don't believe in shared sovereignty. And even less in imposing it. You are British by choice, and also by ancestry.
I also completely disagree that the areas you mentioned are of common interest. They are not. Your fishing and maritime laws apply in your EEZ zone. Argentina's apply in her EEZ. There is nothing to discuss there.
And certainly you are not serious when you suggest Argentina's central government discuss ALBATROSS with a small community? That's utterly laughable and shows how not serious you are when you say you want “cooperation”.
You wish not to discuss sovereignty, we wish not to discuss sovereignty (our fishing economic zone is not up for negotiation or “cooperation”).
For the Albatross you need to talk with the Argentine branch of Greenpeace or the many NGOs dealing with animal conservation. And maybe with the Fishing Union or Chamber of commerce.
With all those above eliminated, there is nothing to negotiate between BUENOS AIRES and the Falklands. Since you are not a country either, there is no other diplomatic duty Buenos Aires owes you either, since you don't have the right to an embassy.
So I guess that's that.
@The Truth PaTroll Did you know your London embassy had it's electric cut the other week for none payment of bills
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0210 Andy
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder that it looks like Alicia put her makeup on in the dark
:-)
Turnips at (210) & (211)
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you Anglo Turnips find that piece of news in the same Murdoch newspaper claiming that David Cameron killed his “retarded” son and dayly abuses his “left behind” daughter?
Will some kindly explain the exact location of the “Argentine Sea”? I have searched atlases and the internet and can find no evidence of this “sea” anyway in the world not even close to Argentina.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I were an oil executive on trial in Argentina I would just call one witness - Ban Ki-Moon who stated on 12th November 12, 'I don't think Security Council members are violating 'relevant' UN resolutions.'
Dec 01st, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and remind the court that Clause 1 of UN Resolution 1514 applies: 'The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights.'
But then it is Argentina - a nation ranked down in 102nd place by the Global Transparency Index sitting comfortably in between Benin and Burkina Faso.
@ Think, Must be the same newspaper where I read that Crissy kirchner told Nestor to TAKE HIS EYE of his secretary to which he replied how can I when I don't have my eye in today JAJAJA
Dec 01st, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0199 Think
Dec 01st, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'' we did drive that road for decades and you short-changed us in every imaginable way…''
No we didn't.
Most countries co-operate with their neghbours to achieve better managed and more sustainable fish stocks, and better outcomes for the conservation of biodiversity, something you are committed to as a signatory to the Convention on Biodiversity. You got both of those. Your fishery still uses bycatch mitigation methods invented in the FI and introduced at a time when there was open co-operation and sharing of ideas.
If you were expecting to get the sovereignty of our country as a reward for doing something that benefits you and you should be doing anyway, then you were always going to be disappointed.
@ Monty69 Think as no idea how much Argentines are disliked he THINKS South American unity exist yet his next door neighbours describe his country as all being A BUNCH OF THIEVES
Dec 01st, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@217 thieving twats are the words your looking for I believe
Dec 01st, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 216) Monty96
Dec 01st, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“ No we didn't.”
I say...:
Yes you did...
By, for example, changing, without any previous consultation with us, the issuing period of fishing licenses to your (now) squidllionaires from 1 to 25 years so they could outsource the islands fisheries to International Fishing Conglomerates well known for their slave labour and tax dodging methods .......
We ain't not taking no more dilatory tricks from you, my dear Kelperette....
I do not like to get involved in the things of Argentina.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not like arrogant. Nor submissive.
América Batallion!
Think say's “Conglomerates well known for their slave labour and tax dodging methods .......”
Dec 01st, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a great description of the now dead Nazj Nestor and is disgusting wife Crissy
@219 what's the us and We bit you don't even live there you idiot
Dec 01st, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think Tell us all why you chose to live in northern Europe,were you booted out of Argentina,are you on the run because of your father's Nazi background or did you just leave for a better life -any one will do just tell us
Dec 01st, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sra. Tinka is grumpy, no christmas bonus and the $2 peso note is not as soft as the imported American TP.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are we all going hammer and tongs at each other,
Dec 01st, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0our overseas bloggers are having a field day,
this is but a domestic tipple,
why fall out, Scotland will decide its own fate one way or the other,
one thing is fundamentally certain,
their is a fifty-fifty chance one way or the other,
so unless you have inside info, then please share it with all of us,
until then,
relax , have a cuppa , and remember united we stand,
divided, our enemies have a field day.
just a Sunday thought.
p/s
our sympathy with the dead in this on this sad day in Scotland...
rest in peace.
225 Briton
Dec 01st, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said.
Tragic day in Scotland - RIP
Time to throw David Neville Cameron Chamberlain out of No. 10 and get somebody who will face businesses with a simple ultimatum: You do business with either Argentina and/or Spain OR with the UK.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To me it seems unfair to blame the Argentine population for the Peronist propaganda coming from idiot posters on Mercopress.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The many Argentines I know are quite different, THEY are human beings and not interested in the the British Falkland Islands as opposed to the clowns on this forum who claim to be Argentines, but in fact live anywhere else than in Argentina.
There is no such thing as a Falklands Government - it is Argentinian territory in the hands of invaders and occupiers that will be forced to leave sooner or later.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will not allow any Oil and Gas industry to develop there - mark my words on that. It wont happen without our approval and blessing
There is no such thing as Argentina - it is Amerindian territory in the hands of Spanish and Italian invaders and occupiers that will be forced to leave sooner or later.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0229 El Diego
Dec 01st, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be silly. There's been a democratically elected legislature on the Falklands since 1842. How long has Argentina been a democracy? Government House in Port Stanley was built in 1845. When was the Casa Rosada built? The oil and gas industry is already being developed, as we speak.
The islands have NEVER ben Argentinian. Don't beleive everything they tell you at school. The present inhabitants were either born there, some 8 generations ago, the others emigrated there of their own free will.
Argentina is just another corrupt, impoverished developing country. The Falklands don't need you, or your approval or blessing.
My Argentinian friends here in London, good, educated polite people just don't give a damn about the Falklands.
Having spent time in a normal country like the UK they are shocked by the level of corruption most Argentinians now regard as normal. How will occupying the Falklands really help Argentina? Will it make it any richer, less corrupt? Will it heal the appalling class divisions and hatred? Will it make Argentina politically mature? I don't think so.
199 Think :-))
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 039 CabezaDura
What a great analysis you made, I am not sure if I should call you Sherlock Holmes or capitan Piluso.
232) So Bostero & Expat.... Do you happen by chance to live in Bolivia??
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sfj3R4okng
233 Capitan Piluso, Let's meet for a cortado.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Estación Constitución, get on the Roca and head south to the land of “el Pocho”
@199 Think,
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't think that you're smart enough to be a Pom.
And you'll have to get used to that dead end road, M.Think.
234) Why would I be interested in meeting your cousin or your mate to have a coffee if you are living abroad??
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0236 Capitan Piluso
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmevJzXALpk
237) Mmmm maybe Ill have to pass that one out I'm definetely not moving a foot outside CABA which I fairly know I can meet your cousin there... Im not that stupid you know those southern hoods are uncharted territory I would only go there armed to the teeth.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Careful Mr CabezaDura.....
Dec 01st, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember that south of Avenida Belgrano the city is full of somorgujos, chotacabras, bosteros y demás peligros.....
:-))))))))))
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0239) Two more players and they cant win .... And people say there is global warming well not in those southern hoods at least
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@229 el Deigno
Dec 01st, 2013 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Living in a dream world. Britain will endure, you will fail...look at the facts, your government will not go to ICJ for the simple reason that your claim is a joke, your claim is a myth, your claim is fiction, you are brainwashed. Britain will keep calm and carry on.
i have just read this thread, and I have tears of mirth...A-hole making a total penis of himself...YET AGAIN
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meet me in Galsgow for a fight....hahahahahahahaha
The reason why Scotland will vote “no” is obvious.
There are only a handful of proper “Scottish Nationalists”. The moronic imbeciles like A-hole who somehow believe their entire ancestory fought with Mel Gibson and Robert the Bruce.
They believe they are “at war” with the English, and they are a down-trodden minority.
They believe that Scottish Independence will hurt the English and will avenge some historic wrong.
The population in England laugh at these people...their response...“off you go then, we couldn't care less”
The penny drops with our silly Nationalist friends....
“You mean we get Independence with huge political, economic and social risk....and we dont annoy the English, they dont care....sod that!! we will stick as we are”
LOL
This small Scottish minority, full of their puffed up arrogance and self-importance have been made to look pathetic...they are like the useless spouse who has threatened divorce only to realise their partner would be only too happy to see them go....and now they are shitting themselves at having their bluff called.
The scottish nationalists are a bit like A-hole on here...misplaced arrogance, full of shit, and then made to look ridiculous on a daily basis. What a cock that bloke is....fight in Glasgow anyone...pmsl.
Stupid Monkey
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0...if that was an offer then I accept....
or are you another keyboard warrior...can only insult whilst hiding behind a computer?...;-)))))....of course you are....
...no need for anyone to address your post as I already proved you to be a foreigner on the other thread....your opinions of the UK being irrelevant...
.....Foreign Monkey....want a banana?
!!!Foreign Monkey Alert!!!Ignore!!!...!!!Foreign Monkey Alert!!!Ignore!!!...!!!Foreign Monkey Alert!!!Ignore!!!
@244 A_Voice,
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think Monkeymagic has rattled you.
Save your fighting, you two, for the malvinistas.
@Isolde im not interested in the soveregnity of the islands, however im interested in knowing some random stuff regarding the islands themselves, appart from Pounds do your banks take in chilean pesos or US dollars??
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(246) CabezaDura
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask chère Isolde …:
“Do your banks take in chilean pesos or US dollars?”
I’ll answer for her…:
“Your banks?”
There is only one, pibe.....
And they charge you outrageously for changing your currency into Falkland’s pounds and then back again into real money...
AFIP is a “poroto” compared with the Standard Chartered…
They are veritable pirates those Banksters…............. they are...
GFACE: If it soposes that self determination is perfectly applicable for the population from the islands, then why has this cause always been considered like special case by the u. n. since 1965?, why there is not any resolution by the decolonization committe which manifests that self determination must be applied for this case, as the u. n. did for other colonial situations?. Even after the result of the referendum, the u. n.'s posture in relation to the malvinas-falkland cause hasn't changed in absolut. Anyway, you don't need to believe what i say, just have a look to the u. n.'s resolutions, and you'll know that i'm telling the truth.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISLANDER1: Don't worry, c. f. k, will leave office in 2015, it means that since dicember 10th of 2015, your lawmakers will have a new chance to show the new government that they are disposed to include the sovereignty, which is the main problem among the different issues that they want to discuss with the authotities from the mainland. However, if they insist on the same posture, as they have always done, their proposal is not a dialogue, but a submission, although neather you nor many other people in this forum accept it.
245
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha Isolde...this is probably not applicable to the Falklands, but it reminds me of those people that give you the finger whilst passing in their car...then their worst nightmare occurs. The traffic lights turn to stop and I pull up along side and get out of the car...they desperately lock their doors praying for the lights to change as I casually approach the vehicle...;-)))
Keyboard Warriors....are like that....insults galore, but never to your face...
@248 axel arg
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“u. n., always considered this case as a special case since 1965”
To quote Mr Picardo’s (First Minister of the Gibraltar Government) address to the C24:
“There was no trace of a single UN resolution stating such “nonsense” and accused Spain and Argentina of working in cahoots hoping that “if they repeat a lie often enough it will be believed.”
Axel, please tell us which UN resolution says there are any “special cases”.
The only purpose of the C24 is to guide all the territories on its list to self-determination, according to Mr Ban-Ki Moon, and he should know.
The C24 cannot decide which territories do, or do not have, whatever rights. Only the General Assembly can do that, which has already decided, they all have the right to self-determination, as Ban-Ki Moon has stated many times.
The only function of the C24 is to carry out the wishes of the UNGA, which it clearly is not doing.
Whoever the new Gov are in Argentina after 2015, if they continue in the same old way with respect to the S. Atlantic, they will be treated in the same old way, and ignored.
Remember the status quo works for us, we can ignore Argentina from now until “Kingdom come” is the truth of it.
Well the Falkland banks do have one up on any Rg bank. You can trade the Falkland Pound for any currency you want without a restriction.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gasp!
You can do whatever you want with your own money!
Wow that certainly not like Argentina
Will we see 7/1 by the end of the year?
Methinks the Gov't is a bit desperate as the BCRA funds disappear into the black-hole support of the peso.
A_voice you've lost again, don't get flustered and angry accept the fact you are a terrible liar and get caught very often.
249 a_void
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To use your own analogy then,
A-void arrogantly commits some kind of inconsiderate, intimidating, or dangerous act in traffic, cuts people off, won't let them pass, no signal lane change, frustrating other drivers, provoking a reaction.
“Offended”, he then tailgates the other car or harasses and intimidates them further, for his own pleasure.
The typical small-minded bully.
“I never start the insults” - the cowardly “A_Voice” from nowhere, to lessen him as a target, is on here for one reason only, to harass and irritate, and feed his own warped ego.
Now Slattzzz has “ insulted” you and you are within your rights to make him 'pay' for that.
Been in any stupid bar fights lately?
The whole car scenario at the stoplights sounds like it is very familiar to you, the grinning bully.
You've shown your real character, a total piece of sh!t.
@252 Troy Tempest
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very much doubt if he’s ever been in a real fight in his life, judging from the way he talks.
One thing to talk the talk, quite another to walk the walk.
Probably he walks up to the offending car at the lights, and then over powers the occupants using his special ability.
A foul and all-pervading stench that can gag a maggot at a hundred paces, composed of bad breath, BO, flatulence, fetid pustules and open sores, vagisil and haemorrhoid cream.
I’d leg it, in the absence of a gas mask and protective clothing.
Wouldn’t you?
Why not take the smile right of the faces of the Argentine admin by declaring that no further Argentine visitors are allowed to come ashore. Bet that would cause a stir. They are playing with our rights by putting false legislation in to claim the oil. Yet they exploit us by being allowed to send in their trolls as and when they please. I say stop them now and see how much they enjoy it.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are doing nothing but collecting information from us to then use against us. We don't need them and we will never bow down to them . That was made abundantly clear in the last referendum.
We are British Argentina so get used to it.
253 Pugol
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL,
I'm glad you stopped short of mentioning the houseflies buzzing around his... 'sporran' - don't want to malign the rest of the Scottish population who aren't A-Voices
(254) kelperabout
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
Why not take the smile right of the faces of the Argentine admin by declaring that no further Argentine visitors are allowed to come ashore
I say...:
Please do, Kelper, please do.....
...PMSL
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0251
.....you have never caught me out in a lie...did you notice I never asked you about the roof question on my property tax form?...For two reasons...
One ...you displayed sheer ignorance of highway routes in the states meaning either you don't drive or you are not a Yank...
Two...I didn't think a Waiter would ever be able to afford a property and would have no knowledge of a property tax enquiry....
252
You seem to be very familiar with the scenario and sound like one of those I'm describing...“Oh my God....lock the door...lock the door”
Isn't this what it's all about...all those Brits and Wannabes like yourself claiming how tough they are and were and how they fought and conquered the world...yet when given the opportunity to show their worth against a formidable opponent...call names instead..
...don't worry I have only ever spent a short time in Canada...“How long is your stay in Canada sir?
...”about as long as it takes for me to pick up the car and reach Niagara Falls, Im just passing through”
...you are safe....:-)))
253
Oh what a wit...you are right I rarely get in a fracas....probably has something to do with being 6'2” now weighing just under 16 stone (222lbs)...spending 4 days a week in the gym...giving me muscles on top of my muscles...;-)))
...That's my special ability, what's yours...having the name of a haemorrhoid cream...Pugol-H treatment?
..tut tut...all pathetic keyboard warriors...:-))))))......Boo....
A-voice
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm a big man”
No,
you've shown yourself to be a very 'small' man.
All this bluster, and you have impressed nobody. In fact, just the opposite.
@27 Best thing to do with a faggot!
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 Missed a bit. “Pirat-Hunter” was one Alex Vargas. A “thing” banned from many sites. But he was not like me. He was a benefits-scrounging arsehole. Whereas, until I retired, I was a respected UK government official responsible for putting many latino criminals from latam behind bars. Proud of that. A few regrets. I wasn't allowed to put latinos from latam behind bars for being latinos from latam. I wasn't allowed to tell the judge how many years each offender should get. There wouldn't have been a single sentence of less than 20 years. And, worst of all in a number of cases, I wasn't allowed to execute them. One little arse thought he would be able to tell the judge which prison he should go to. Left to me, he wouldn't have got anywhere near a prison. He would have been in a perforated box dropped in the Atlantic!
@79 There's a Scottish “identity”? Let me guess. Beer-swilling, whisky-quaffing, everything-battered (one way or the other), scrounging ladyboys. Never mind we've found a use for Scotland. The place for “travellers”, Roma, Bulgarians, Romanians, Afghans, Iranians, Iraqis, Somalis. Bangladeshis, Indians, Pakistanis. Ghanaians, Kenyans, Nigerians. Shovel the lot out!
@86 You're deluded. Just like Salmond. Do you honestly think that the UK government is going to accept a nationality being forced on UK nationals? And I can't see a proper UK national willing to have Scottish nationality forced on them. So that a Scottish “government” have authority over them? No chance. Typical Salmond trick.
@104 I think that any true Brit should work to free the indigenous people of South America from the latino yoke.....
I think that any true Brit should work to put latams in their graves...
Although “graves” might be excessive. Shovelling latam latino cadavers into an airtight container, then shovelling them out to feed Antarctic wild life would be a good idea! Killer whales are so much more important.
258
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...easy for you to say
...you were not invited to meet me...for a coffee (me buying)....;-)))
@257 A_Voice
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pen is definatly mightier than the sword is this environment, being a “wit” is far more use than having muscles on muscles.
Here, even being a halfwit is better than being completely witless. Ask Think!
In the real world, go and train at a local Dojo, or you’re just going to run into someone who will snap you in half with a tap.
Or some 5’9”, 10 stone Para or similar, from some or other Army, who will just rip your head off.
261
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...whatever
...don't believe the Dojo crap, it's difficult to do much when you are suspended above someone's head...;-)
You watch too many action films...
...it's all crap for little people....
I don't know what the fuss is about...I offer to meet someone coffee and you now think I want to take on the world.....Sheesh...what a load of Drama Queens.....
262. You whine like a little twit when you are losing. Next time you are in PA let me know and I'll stop by your sh*thole cabin on my way to the lake.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0263
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do ...but follow the stranger rules....
Do not get out of the vehicle...
Sound the horn if no one comes out...
...leave
Under no circumstances leave the vehicle and knock on the door.....you are very likely to be shot...
This is the rules of the area...if you want to live...you must abide...city boy...;-)))
Oh for gosh sakes you are deluded nobody does that.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I grew up in the country and nobody I knew had keys to their houses since the doors were never locked.
Have you ever been to the USA?
I think not.
(264) A_Voice
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like in WY..........................
Baaaad juju getting off the horse before being asked to do so...........
Anyhow.... If you ever see a Telly Savallas look alike lurking around your place........
That's Freddy B. Boy.... aka Yankeeboy...
Again you are proving to me you have no experience of rural PA...
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and we both know the place in the lakes belongs to your family not you....
Do you have a property in the mountains in PA?
So who is more likely to be right me or you?
262 A_Voice
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't know what the fuss is about...I offer to meet someone coffee and you now think I want to take on the world.....Sheesh...what a load of Drama Queens.....”
What did you say before,
“ I am a big man”?
“I have muscles on muscles”
“Meet me if you dare!”
now you're back-pedalling and saying you were “only inviting him for coffee”.
A-voice, we have your measure.
:-)
Turnip at (268)
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“A-voice, we have your measure.”
I say...:
O RLY?
Haven't you been saying for months now that Mr. A_Voice was “one of my many sockpuppets”?
How comes then he's shorter and heavier than me :-)))
228 Don Alberto
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We agree with you old chap,
Just read items from your so called fellow argentines,
229 El Diego
it is Argentinian territory in the hands of invaders
We will not allow any Oil and Gas industry to develop there
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.
266 Think
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Mr. Think...you are right out in the sticks those are the rules...those that know abide and those that don't...I've heard tales but never witnessed..but never take the chance....
...Actually I don't have or keep a gun there...but they don't know that...
...Can you believe this lot....What is wrong with these wimps Scaredy Cats or what ...can I help it if I've got good genes...;-)
...Damn..I'm shorter...I did lose half an inch through a motorbike accident...if that counts...
268
here is the relevant part of the post......
...”I'm in Glasgow tomorrow.....if you are so sure I don't exist...I'll be there most of the day.....feel free to pop along....
Do you know the city centre?....Runty little English are most welcome...;-)))
There are three Starbucks near George Square...take your pick..”
Show me where it says I'm not inviting him for coffee....
You do know what Starbucks is?...a very public...safe place where people drink???...have a guess.......Coffee.....;-))))
Oh dear me what a numbskull you are...
...can I help it if I'm not a wimpy little Wannabe runt like you?...if you've got it flaunt it...if you haven't...be a keyboard warrior like Troy...he'll show you all the moves...
(271) A_Voice
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just to be sure.... I don't wanna be catch lying to you... You said 6'2'', right?
272 Think
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever since I was a teenager I was 6'2” and a half and then I lost the half inch with the compression fracture of the first and second lumbar in the lower back. Which incidentally forced me to do weights to strengthen the lower back...and I got hooked...
273 A_Voice
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't lie then......
Even at 6'2½” you would be shorter....
274 Think
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ho hum .....I'll just take my dwarfish self off and go and intimidate some pygmies then....;-)
(275) A_Voice
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a tiny tad shorter...
Nothing to be worried about...
Careful with them pygmies though...
They got long, nasty blowpipes, you know...
And, after your own description, you're a fairly easy target... ;-)
Off topic but - British spy ship deploys cunningly disguised spies to Antarctica:
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i.imgur.com/aolpdaL.jpg
@248 Axel,
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The biggest “special” case here is you.
How many times does your miniscule brain have to be told, that the Falklands are NOT a special case?
And we will NOT discuss Sovereignty.
ldiota.
@254 kelperabout.
My sentiments exactly, kelperabout.
Ban ALL Argentines from the Falklands.
We have that right.
What are they going to do?
Ban us from Argentina?
Well, that would really hurt, wouldn't it? lol, lol, lol.
278) Anything you do that would antagonize relations between BsAs and London would be very stupid thing to do
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(278) Chère Isolde
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Ban ALL Argentines from the Falklands.”
I say...:
Please do, Pomette, please do.....
@248. Axel. 2008. You and Spain tried. You lost. You know it.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaspd406.doc.htm
The right of Self determination applies to ALL. The “unless Spain or Argentina wants it against the will of the people living there” clause was voted down hard.
Stop lying, Axel.
Voice, You obviously don't remember the thread correctly. Cap and I proved you know nothing about rural PA that can't be found on the internet and what you found was terribly wrong.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0My family has been in PA since the before the Revolution. I know PA, I know upstate NY. I have family in both places we've lived in the same general area FOR 300+YEARS.
As I said next time you are in your mythical mountain cabin I will be glad to stop by just let me know.
279 CabezaDura
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you are saying that it's ok for Argentina to taken any action it wishes against the Falkland Islands as this does not antagonise London.
@280 Think,
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, it is not my decision to make.
There are a lot of us who feel this way.
Believe me, Think dahling, you & your kind would be banned forever if we had our way.
@280 Think
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say please do but the reality is that it would not please you because we would have been making a political point and that is something Argentina does not recognise and that is our Political status.
We have the right to make our own decisions and inviting people to come to OUR Country to look for Oil , Catch Fish or even be a tourist is something that your lot cannot stop because as many have already said as I have the Islands do not and have never belonged to Argentina so Argentina has no legitimate right whatsoever to try and DICTATE what we can or cannot do.
The only connection we currently have with that Country is through Chile who has to get permission to pass through that Air space .
Never forget there are four sides to every square and Argentina is but one side of it. We can and will open new systems with others and then one day Argentina will truly be out of our lives forever. The closer we get to pumping oil the quicker that will happen and like it or not the Argentine leaders are extremely worried because of that fact alone.
The will effectively loose their means to bully us.
Poor A-hole..what a tosser!
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, you think calling me a foreigner is an insult...it hilarious for two reasons....firstly as I am in no way “foreign” it is a pointless and pathetic remark (like all yours), and secondly you belief that calling someon “foreign” is an insult.
Poor racist, bigotted A-hole with his huge Scottish inferiority complex...LMFAO.
Even worse is that you think offering someone a fight in Glasgow is not the most pathetic, stupid, childish crap you can write on a bulletin board...your poor muppet. Firstly I live 350 miles from glasgow...why would I drive that far to walk in dog shit like you?
Secondly, what would it prove, that you are a piss stained, weak, keyboard warrior, who thinks racism (even aimed incorrectly) is clever.
You are a joke mate, a complete retarded bigotted joke....come to Glasgow for a fight...you total loon...hahahahahahahaha
PUGOL-H. GFACE.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You still haven't answered my qustion, if it soposes that self determination is applicable to this case, then why has this cause always been considered like a special case since 1965 by the u. n. Anyway, you don't need to believe what i say, just have a look to the u. n.'s resolutions, and you'll see that self dtermination was applicable in different opportunities for other colonial situations, but never for the malvinas-falkland cause.
Even after the result of the referendum, the posture of the u. n. in relation to this issue hasn't changed in absolut. In fact, a few days before the referendum, the president from the decolonization committe explained the reasons why self dtermionation is not applicable for this cause, accept it or not, the case is treated every year before that institution.
If you have any doubt about how has the u. n. always treated this case, i recommend you to read the statement of councellour norma edwards before the u. n., of june 24th of 2010, search it in the news archive of this website.
....got anymore excuses? Brit Wannabe Monkey....
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0...how embarrassing.............PMSL......;-))))))))
you should be embarrassed A-hole
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) ignorant (and wholly inaccurate) racism...check
2) huge inferiority complex ...check
3) Offering a fight on the internet...check
you are joke...a piss-stained, weak, humiliated, thick wreck of a joke.
But we love you...it makes us feel good about ourselves...“wanna fight” Im 6'4” lolololollol LOLOLOLLOOLLOLLOL
Stop A-hole my sides ache..you poor pathetic drip!
283) The reality is the islanders are another 3 party apart from BsAs and London. If they get themselves in a position where they are unilaterally determining the British agenda in Latam the islanders will lose a lot of support from the UK. I will admhit they have being playing there cards brilliantly and the kirchnerite diplomacy has burned its ships however there is not much more they can do by now, but from what Im starting to see here I think the islanders are getting to big for there boots.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They dont seem to recognize that
Axel
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is not a special case, by the view of either the UN General Assembly nor the UN Security council. You are taking lack of clarity in 1965 and assuming it means something that it doesn't.
Argentina even tried to to get a “special case” status through the back door in A.63.23, by pushing that self determination was only a right where no sovereignty dispute exists...this was in 2008.
The UNGA overwhelmingly rejected this snide backdoor attempt...and self determination applies to all non-self governing territiories.
So an unclear and certainly not explicit resolution in 1965 or a very clear vote in 2008.
I know where my money is.
290. The Islanders have the support of the English speaking world. The richest most powerful block of nations that have ever existed in the history of the world.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's screeching may play well with the uneducated masses at home but it in the real world it makes them look very foolish, weak and unhinged.
I've long thought Arg needs a little slap to keep her in place but why bother when she doing more damage to herself with no one's help.
290) No they dont have that... They only need the support of the UK and nominal support and recognition from Chile.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you ask me this issue is becoming obsolete to many Argentines. Its not really about the islands nowadays but its really about the conflict itself.
....the Cowardly Monkey...;-)))
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whenever you overcome your fear...let me know...
in the meantime hide behind your keyboard and call names...
The whole world has witnessed your shame.....;-)
The whole world...(or the 20-30 people whove read this thread) have witnessed something A-hole.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theyve witnessed you, a cowardly racist with a huge inferiority complex, rant and humiliate himself. It is hilarious.
You poor piss stained weakling A-hole...
“I'm 6 foot 2 with muscles on muscles...Fucking hilarious you stupid childish cretin.
The ”whole world has witnessed”...pmsl...just adds to your delusion..I think you have mental health issues mate...cry baby...
hahahahaha
shameful weak cretin...boo hoo...LOL
......Boo!
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See how the Monkey backs down....and gibbers
.....Whatever......when you are brave enough....let me know....
Actually A_Voice for all your mellowing recently, you really have come across badly this time. I don't think I have seen anyone intelligent ever brag about road rage before.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0backed down from what...dickweed?
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You offered someone a fight on the internet and I found it absolutely hilarious..you weak fucking loon.
it is pathetic, childish and makes you look a cock.
At least before we just thought you were intellectually challenged. Now we know you are a complete frikking loon.
wanna fight in Glasgow..just about the most pathetic stupid moronic shit I have ever read (and ive seen Dany bergers posts)
you are a moronic chidlish weak imbecile....“whenever you are brave enough”...how old are you dickhead...12?
Of course he brags about roadrage Anglo...hes a turd...
“wanna fight in glasgow....hahahahahahahaha!”
my life...I am in tears of laughter at this loon.
....disguise your cowardice all you like....we can still see it.....
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scared Monkey......
.........“wanna fight in glasgow....hahahahahahahaha!”.... is this a quote....could you show us where it came from?
Bet you can't....Stupid Monkey (coward too)
A-hole
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will take it slow for you, see if you can keep up.
Firstly, offering someone a fight, isn't brave..it is a thing that children in playgrounds, and pissed Scottish drunks do. Which are you? Or both..
Secondly, offering someone a fight hundreds of miles from where they live, on the internet is cretinous. Only a retard would make the journey (oh wait, perhaps you could come to me), and secondly for what...what if I came and you were a 12 year old girl (thats how you behave after all), or perhaps one of us is really stupid and turns up armed...or maybe with 20 -30 mates...its fucjking ridiculous.
However, lets assume we are both grown men. (i consider it unlikely in your case). How are you thinking this is going to work...a scrap in the street...or behind the bike sheds after school/
I honestly havent heard something so ridiculous in 25 years plus since I left school...
And then you think someone not playing your childish turdlike behaviour is cowardice...it makes you look worse.
I'm sorry mate, you are a fool, an hilarious childlike moronic fool...but a complete loon.
Im 6 foot 2 and I have muscles on top of muscles
I can smell a foreigner
Immigrants have no right to an opinion
Jesus Christ mate...grow up...at least to the brain power of a teenager, adult is clearly too much of a stretch...
boo hoo...A-hole boo hooo...you frikking loon
Here we go...how stupid are you?
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me where on this thread there is an offer of a fight in Glasgow....
The only place it occurs is @243....by you.....
...and the next post I asked if that was an offer and if it was then I accept....
Is this slow enough for your stupid Monkey brain?
So are you making an offer or what...and if not ....WTF are you going on about?
mmm..let me see
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0137 and 143 are now deleted...131 and 162 fortunately still there....
Were they deleted on your request because you were so ashamed A-hole?
Tell us again about your “muscles on top of muscles, and you 6 foot 2 frame....we were all quaking....”
my god in heaven
.....perhaps you should read CD's post@163 if you think there was an offer of...perhaps coffee....or is Starbucks the local fight club?
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your stupidity knows no bounds.....
You take quotes out of context....Muscles on muscles was a tongue in cheek reply to Pugol-H asking what my “special ability” was......
......can you even have your own comments removed?
...so the answer to.. show me where the offer of a fight was......is?
...there wasn't......why not just say that instead....
Axel: if the C24 wants to reject the GA 2008 vote and the charter, that further explains the increasingly anachronistic perspective of that committee. They increasingly act like Great Blue Father, the meta-colonialist, and treat the inhabitants of the NGSTs like pawns on a chessboard to validate their own importance instead of the following their official mandate to help the NGSTs toward SELF-DETERMINATION as per the available options which do NOT include unilaterally involuntary recolonization or annexation against their will. They are no better than a colonialist by passsive-agressive proxy. The 2008 ploy by Spain and Argentina was so transparent that it went down hard. Any 2-bit thug needing to validate himself by claiming “dibs” could override any external territory's inhabitants' most fundamental human right to control their density. GA members saw through it, saw that the language could be used to decapitate the rights of anyone anywhere and they put it down hard. C24 ignores it at the risk of their credibility.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CD: Viewing the inhabitants of the NGSTs (any NGST) as a “third party”in the 21st century is is to put it mildly, another anachronism. They are THE party that must be addressed in each NGST situation. If the C24 and Argentina wish to play up territorial claims when it's not part of the C24 mandate to adjudicate any claim (it's the ICJs job), then the Falklands and Gibraltar (and other territory on which a true third party calls “dibs” will be on the list forever further validating the C24 as an end to itself and not a conduit for independence, free association or the other options by which NGSTs may have self-determination. As for the Argentina seeing the “conflict” (an abstraction) over the “Islands” and more importantly the human face of the Islanders themselves (most certainly a concrete), of that there is no doubt. And the same applies to the C24 who like your various governments can't seem to take a “No” from the Islanders for an answer.
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Dec 03rd, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The link you provided doesn't appear to be related to the Falklands it relates to 11 territories....
Is there a different link about sovereignty dispute that includes the Falklands and Gibraltar specifically or are they a special case?
@305. The “unless we want it”-clause was inserted by two countries, Spain and Argentina, who had no interests in those NGSTs. But they were very keen on having that language in there to ensure the overarching principle of SD *anywhere* (not just for territories that Argentina and Spain wanted to forcibly annex/colonize against the local's rights interests and wills) was decimated for their own selfish and colonialist agendas. BS detectors went off around the room. There could be no “special case” or self-determination meant nothing. In the debate, free of the “La Malvinas” baggage and reactionary anti-Norte prejudice, it was very clear that the opponents to the “unless we want it” clause saw through as wedge-language it noting that “gee, it doesn't seem to apply to these cases so WHY is it in there?” and that it was an artless move to establish precedent that could used to apply to any territories, not just the Falklands or Gibraltar, as Egypt pointed out. It could not be justified just to cynical suite the greed of the two countries who so desperately wanted the language.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you know it.
304) You are missing the whole point I'm making. It would be a mistake if the FIG would determine the British Policy in Latam.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look what results it has brought to America having Israel doing as it pleased for so many years in the Middle East.
@307 The FIG partners with the UK to determine just FI policy with Latam but not regarding the UK policy in total with Latam. It's not a same as the oft tested, tortured and strained alliances between the US, Israel and the rest of the middle east. The FI doesn't seem to be scuppering things up much and it doesn't seem to be a game killer since the FI wants to develop cordial relations with SA as much, probably more, as the UK does. The UK gets along about as well as most other countries with Latam, and the FIG does quiet steady diplomacy without creating a toxic environment, rather it's “Hi, here we are, we'd like to trade and collaborate with you”. AR's neighbors grunt in the name of regional solidarity since continental drift isn't making distant neighbors anytime soon and that grunting in support of “the claim” is a cost-free one, just like the US State department's (though not necessarily Congress's) irritatingly coy ambiguity on the matter which supports the status quo with the Islanders free and more independent by the day . No troops, no warships, come of these statements, no extraditions of guests of “Pirats” to AR or back to the UK “where they belong” for fraudulently representing an island that really belongs to Argentina - only empty votes in irrelevant committees that aren't charged with territorial claims. And these countries continue to collaborate with the UK on most other issues of mutual value w/o the FI getting into it.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blaming the Falklands for determining British policy in Latin America is like blaming the rape victim for wearing a skirt.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British policy in Latin America is determined by Argentine actions AGAINST the Falklands. You can't really blame the Falklands for a situation engineered by Argentina.
The Falklands should be a quiet and forgotten corner of the UK, as boring as Saint Pierre and Miquelon is. Hardly anyone would even know it was there.
However it is not. Not because of actions by the Falkland Islanders but solely because of Argentina's unceasingly belief and actions based on a 1940s fascist myth.
For the UK do act differently would be to reward the actions of Argentina and that is a more disturbing and unappealing path than that that is currently followed. Appeasement is not a policy that has a good history of success for the British.
British policy in Latin America would change instantly if Argentina allowed it. It is cause and effect.
308) But even yourself are admitting somehow that the interests of London and the FIG are not entirely the same towards Latam.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the islanders radicalize like it seems to be the case from what I gather here in this site, and block Argentines from visiting the graves of their fallen then Buenos Aires will have no choice but to break diplomatic ties with the UK. As of that it takes a lot of political capital and skill to back track from both London and BsAs.
Now of course for the islanders it doesn't make much difference, but after all there is deep historical and cultural link between Argentina and Britain; near a million of Argentines have British ancestry, there is many Argentines living in Britain and many Brits coming here nowadays or are here, many more Argentines have European passports than they used to. Argentina and UK aside from this issue have seen eye to eye at the UN on many other things even in the first Kirchner years under Taiana's diplomacy.
Many of Argentina's best football players are in the English clubs and are well liked by the folk.
I think there is a reason why the Foreign Office and the British gov't always reiterates that it is willing to strengthen ties with Argentina despite all the fall backs. I dont think its just formality, its not like it says it wants to re-engage whith Iran or Syria all the time.
And Argentina still has a lot of political leverage on its neighbours. What real significant diplomatic succes has the FIG achieved so far in the region?? I think all this backwards and fowards like this site reports on Panama, Brazil and Guayana is just as formal and empty as what Timerman gets
@310. Bellicosity of posters here aside, if the FIG is radicalizing the political climate between the UK and Latam, they 're doing a poor job of it. But in reality, both want positive relations with Latam. The FIG would love to work its neighbors including Argentina on mutually important issues beyond involuntary annexation *as* *neighbors* and not as objects of diplomatic passive aggression, as is your government's want. The ball when it comes to collegiality is in your governments' court as always.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0311) Argentina is over 40 million people and Britain over 60 million... Most of them dont give a toss in either country. There is only a couple of Argentines and British here in different levels of tolerance that comment on the matter but is a drop in the sea. But 2 or 3 islanders out of only 3000 is not... If they go ahead and do something like that who knows what might happen.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you must Argentine diplomacy is currently under crisis under Timerman's leadership this came out yesturday. It hasn't always being like that. This came out just yesturday
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1643767-ola-de-denuncias-por-acoso-laboral-y-maltrato-en-cancilleria
The FIG is radicalising relations?
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CabezaDura you need to take a step back and look long and hard at the different actions by the governments in BsAs and Stanley.
The FIG is out trying to build relationships. It is not asking for any South American countries to do anything more than deepen the relationships whether political or economic between the Islands and themselves.
Argentina is creating extra-territorial laws that have no basis in international law. It fights to reduce economic integration by the Falklands with South American nations by banning flagged vessels from docking. It surreptitiously makes a propaganda video in Stanley using a war memorial of all things.
With all due respect CabezaDura you really need to step back and think about who is radicalising the situation.
FIG will sit down tomorrow with the Argentine government to discuss all issues. That’s being accommodating.
The issues with travel by Argentineans to the Islands is a reaction against the actions by Argentina. The Falkland Islands will not permit travel to and from the islands to be controlled by BsAs for good reason. And with a population of only ~3,000 FIG cannot allow unfettered access to the Islands as there is not trust between the two governments.
And as far as I am aware, FIG would gladly repatriate the bodies of Argentinean soldiers to Argentina but this is unacceptable to the Argentinean government, no matter the wishes of the families involved.
Trust has to be built from both sides. If you believe that there has been a major effort by BsAs to gain the trust of the Islanders and their government, then I would love to hear about it.
313) Not the FIG so far but maybe the islanders will in future turn more Malvinistas, read up 278 and 254. It's not that I make up things here and say stuff out of the blue.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question is how much power will they can get from London and go ahead with such a move.
Im pretty sure BsAs will cut relations all together with the UK.
The relations whith the islanders have being going from bad to worse since 2007, but its really not so long ago. You should read up in what state the Palacio de San Martin and you will realize that Argentine diplomacy is no loger managed by professionals.
Now regarding the bodies I'm against the political use of them, but I dont know what the families want either.
CabezaDura
Dec 04th, 2013 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I did read the article you linked and it is a sad state of affairs. The public service should be independent of the government and there to carry out its will. It should strive to be impartial and not reflect the beliefs of government in power.
You cannot judge all Islanders based on the opinions of 1 or 2. But what you do need to understand is that opinions such as those expressed above are a reflection of the reality of Argentina's unrelenting pressure and actions.
Argentina bans Falkland Island flagged vessels - this is a reality - not a threat.
Argentina passes laws aimed at businesses that want to invest in the Islands - this is reality - not a threat.
Argentina says it may ban flights from Chile over its territory - that is a threat and could become reality.
As I said above, you can't keep highlighting the symptons if you don't accept the cause. You can't blame the victim for actions that stem from another.
“The question is how much power will they can get from London and go ahead with such a move.”
“Im pretty sure BsAs will cut relations all together with the UK.”
And who would that affect most? Argentina, Falkland Islands or the UK as a whole? I will tell you now, that the Islands are already estranged from Argentina economically and politically so they won't be affected. The UK is also a massive and open economy so they will feel the affect less. Such actions would not gain Argentina a single thing. But they are welcome to do it.
“The relations whith the islanders have being going from bad to worse since 2007, but its really not so long ago.”
And yet the Islanders are still happy and rich and doing what they want. So relations between Argentina and the Falklands don't seem to be that important after all.
How much power the Islands will eventually get from London is easy.
Independence.
That is the most they could get. Until that moment, all actions by the UK government will take more than one set of variables into account.
316) This is about Realpolitiks. I'm not interested in the islands themselves. We can throw blames into one and another and we will end up fighting over the Tordesillas Treaty, Vernet and Gaucho Rivero and Sailor Popeye who farted first on the islands and a hole load of bollocks...
Dec 04th, 2013 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is you cant chose your neighbours, thats life this is true for either side, nothing of that you mention is really illegal but you can make a moral case due to the fact that people have a right to prosper. Of course you can say the Islanders can respond in the same way blockading relations with Argentina, but what will they achieve?? That Argentina breaks up with the UK
You ask;
“And who would that affect most?”
And what about people of both Argentina and UK living in the other country for a change instead of only the islanders who get to be talked about all the time and seems to be the only ones that actually matter?? You cant limit relations of the two countries to this single issue, and if the FIG ends up determing them it makes things much more complicated when a bunch of radicals take over like occured with the Palacio de San Martin. They have said many times they want to ramain British not that they want independence, so therefor why is the FO their only adecuate interlocutor ??
They are rich and they have all the right to do so but dont forget they are only 3000 people and have rights over the 200 nm radius and 12.000 square Km of sheep land, and there might be oil to drill in the future, you would only get the economics wrong with Cristina in charge...
@316
Dec 04th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But surely being a reasoned mind you are aware of the British 11th hour mentality?
Our politicians generally do not take action until the 11th hour.
Britain will take everything up the bum until things really get nasty.
When things go too far we generally beat the shit out of whoever is crapping on us, when it is almost too late.
The Islanders and the UK will simply ignore Argentina and try to be diplomatic whilst Argentina keep screaming, screaming, screaming.
I would put it to you that Argentina's present government actually wants worse relations with the UK ,over the Falklands, though to an extent, Cameron is lapping it up because Argentine belligerence is a political gift to him.
It is a shame that relations are bad but Argentine belligerence to the Islanders will only harden their resolve to have nothing to do with Argentina.
Argentina thinks this will isolate the Islanders.
However it will not! Islanders have been used to isolation (of all types, not just politically) since the 19th century-they didn't have proper air links until the 1970s. If bad relations means they will not be as successful, this will not bother the islanders.
Years of battling a relatively harsh climate, living without television till well into the 20th century, improvising and getting by, and still thriving in that way of life has not made them powder puff pansies. They are as resilient as the low growing vegetation, as hard as the quartzite boulders of the stone runs, no nonsense, get-on-with-life people.
In other words they have been moulded by their birthplace.
They were used (pre-1982), to being ignored by the UK, ostracised by Argentina and when Argentina had an unmissible opportunity to win the Islanders over, they blew it.
How stupid was that?
If the UK and Argentina suffer bad relations because the Falkland Islanders do not wish to become Argentine, I'm afraid it will be an impasse similar to the cold war (east/west) divide, and the world still carries on.
CabezaDura
Dec 04th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You cant limit relations of the two countries to this single issue”
Out of the mouths of babes. That is exactly right. It is a pity that the Argentinean government doesn't think so.
The UK government is willing to discuss EVERY issue but sovereignty.
The Argentina government is willing to discuss no issue BUT sovereignty.
You keep trying to tar the UK and FIG with the same brush as Argentina but they are acting very differently.
318) As vis a vis London, I believe BsAs can still discuss a whole range of issues that are completely apart from the islands and sovereignity. Probably if Cristina meets Cameron she will ask him as a formal matter to discuss sovereignty in brief knowing full well he will not do so nor he is interested.
Dec 04th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its any sort of island athority which Argentina refuses to recognize. But that is different to the relations between UK and Argentina.
@ 318& 319
Dec 04th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good points
“Its any sort of island athority which Argentina refuses to recognize”
Just a question-would Argentina recognise FIG if it voted for independence?
320)
Dec 04th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would first ask if they want to be independent or stay as a BOT and the second question would be if a population of 3000 can be a country or not or whatever their number is in future. Not inmediately but I believe that in future Argentina will recognize them in any case if most of the world recognizes them... There is the Israeli case to which comes to mind, ignored by the Muslim world (which has being recognized for only a couple of Muslim countries which they have being at war at one point like Jordan and Egypt and share a common border with) but then the rest of the world has diplomatic relations with.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Foreign_relations_of_Israel_Map_July_2011.PNG
The answer to that Pete Bog is no they would not recognise us any more than they do now because they cannot see beyond their monetary greed.
Dec 04th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They care little for no one and just as they have been in their past history will remain bullies and dictators.
Falkland Islanders have worked hard through many different pressures of Argentina and every time we come through stronger and more resolved to never allow them to take what we have for many generations worked for.
Many comments on this thread refer to a small number of Islanders shouting the odds. Maybe Argentine lovers on here would like to be reminded of the referendum and the 98% of Islanders who firmly rejected Argentina when they voted to remain truly British.
No Country in the world has any population so dedicated to their cause. Argentina has hurt us many times and the worst was in 1982 and we will never forgive them for that no matter how many generations they think it will take.
We do not need anything Argentina has to offer because even though it may cost us more we prefer to have dealings with countries that accept us for who we are and not what we have.
Argentina has always had one goal in mind our economic wealth. Let's face it they could not adapt to the weather when they rudely invaded.
As for the Argentine War grave to most Islanders it is an insult to have these people buried on our shores. They should have been returned to their own loved ones but because Argentina cares less for their own people it simply will not happen. Further they use it as a political tool.
Personally I think we should simply repatriate them to the Argentine base in Antarctic and maybe then their people will be allowed to take them home. I would bet that 99 per cent of those killed in action did not want to be on the islands in the first place and that is what makes it so sad. Those innocent conscripts did not have a democratic choice to put their case.
CabezaDura
Dec 04th, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is willing to discuss any and all issues with BsAs. However it will not discuss issues or make decisions that impact the Falkland Islanders without their input.
Any normal person would see this as reasonable.
It causes no end of confusion for many (and especially Malvinistas) that the Falkland Islands are self-governing in most matters except for foreign affairs and defence. So while is the right of the UK to deal with Argentina on a state to state basis, it is also considered normal that sub-national units (of which the Falklands are) can and should partake in those affairs that affect them most.
Without even discussing sovereignty, there are many matter that Argentina could discuss and cooperate on and chooses not to.
“Its any sort of island athority which Argentina refuses to recognize”
And yet we are told by Argentina that the Islanders way of life will be protected and not change within Argentina. That would only be possible with an “island authority”. So Argentina is being disingenuous in refusing to deal with FIG. FIG is control of the fisheries, FIG is in control of natural resources, FIG is in control of entry and egress, FIG is in control of trade.
“I would first ask if they want to be independent or stay as a BOT”
They recently were and they emphatically stated they want to stay a BOT.
As for the minimum size of an independent country. There is no minimum. The UN recently asked Tokelau TWICE if they wanted independence and they only have a population of 1,400 people on 10 km2.
A country doesn’t have to recognise the independence or sovereignty of a neighbour but that doesn’t rule out cooperation. Serbia is adamant that Kosovo is not independent and yet they still cooperate to make life easier for their respective citizens. Argentina refuses to do that now, so no change in the future will not change much for the Islanders.
Argentina does more for fostering Falkland's independence than any other government or country.
322
Dec 05th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0has any kelper died fighting in the conflict of 1982??
No.
But 655 of argentines have fought and died for Malvinas. They can stay in Malvinas, they gave their lifes for Malvinas.
Its a long conflict of more than 200 years. The war is not the way. But Argentina has always been in Malvinas, wether you like it or not.
323) As I said there is many Argentines in the mainland UK and many Brits living in Argentina and travelling there. What about trade and historical links between both countries...?? Im not talking about fishing, the flights from Gallegos or conservation in the South Atlantic.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0What I originally pointed out was a conrcern in case if the FIG got more radical and controled more power in London's diplomacy towards the region and Argentina in the future with the consecuences I listed and mentioned.
324 malen (#)
Dec 05th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you are missing is the fact these conscripts were sent to invade the Falklands not die for them. A total waste of lives. Further there were three innocent civilians died because Argentina invaded.
Argentines dead or alive have no right to claim our Country it is just an Argentine fantasy that they think the Islands belong to them. Each time they have tried to occupy them it was by treachery and on each occasion Britain through them out.
consider your selves very lucky that Britain is a democracy or they may have done a Saddam Hussein on your Country when they returned the Islands to it's people. Just Imagine that being controlled by Britain. I bet you would not be so loud mouthed if that had happened. Yet it seems quite ok to bully our people who by the way have never fired a shot in anger at you.
But then that is what makes us the people we are. Peace loving Friendly, Well educated . None of which your leaders have ever appeared to have.
324 Malen
Dec 05th, 2013 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But 655 of argentines have fought and died for Malvinas. They can stay in Malvinas, they gave their lifes for Malvinas.
Its a long conflict of more than 200 years. The war is not the way. But Argentina has always been in Malvinas, wether you like it or not.”
What a load of self-righteous nonsense.
Yes, the conscripts may have given their lives in service to their country, but that is a debt. Argentina alone owes them.
There was no 'honourable cause' and no honour in the actions of Argentina.
The Fslklands did not belong to them.
This case is like a violent thief getting caught in a robbery and dying in a standoff with the authorities.
326 Argentina didnt invade Malvinas, Arg recovered a territory invaded by Britian in 1833.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arg never fired a shot in anger at 1 kelper or british civilian.
the 3 civilians that died, was a mistake of British troops.
The soldiers that died and the veterans are for us Héroes de Malvinas.
And what you say of “british democracy”, well, may be of what you understand of democracy, what you are being sell as democracy or what you like of democracy
bolsonweb.com.ar/diariobolson/detalle.php?id_noticia-24686
Inglaterra, Malvinas y Dictadura. bolsonweb.com.ar search
@324 malen,
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since this is not your land, your soldiers had no right to come here.
lf they hadn't come here, they would not have been killed.
Their deaths lie on Argentina's head.
Argentina is at fault & it is Argentina's fault alone, that ANYONE died in the war of 1982.
And since most of you seem to support the “malvinas myth”, then the general public, like yourself & Think, Marcos, DanyB, Troneas, etc etc must shoulder some of the blame.
You will have to realise that the Falklands DO NOT belong to Argentina, (never have & never will)so people like you are just prolonging the problems & its ALL your doing.
Put your own house in order before you try to tell us how to look after ours.
Thank you.
@kelperabout
Dec 05th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually now that I think about it the cementery is much more of a political problem for Argentina than anybody realizes.
“As for the Argentine War grave to most Islanders it is an insult to have these people buried on our shores. ” part of comment 322.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many descendants of Malvinas living here (that came in 1800), of other british living here, cementaries of british in Arg, and nobody says those kind of things, not even says such things of british soldiers either.
331) That is true. But there is a very important and interesting question we have left behind
Dec 05th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, deja de lado pasiones y los sentimientos por un minuto. Lee tranquila los ultimos comentarios y fijate porque aca los isleños se la pueden meter doblada a la Argentina y obligarla a reconocerles las autoridades si deciden ir por la independencia.
326 Argentina didnt invade Malvinas, Arg recovered a territory invaded by Britian in 1833.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who were recovering THEIR territory usurped by Argentina..
quote:-
I have to direct you that I have received directions from His Excellency and Commander-in-Chief of His Britannic Majesty's ships and vessels of war, South America station, in the name of His Britannic Majesty, to exercise the rights of sovereignty over these Islands.
It is my intention to hoist to-morrow the national flag of Great Britain on shore when I request you will be pleased to haul down your flag on shore and withdraw your force, taking all stores belonging to your Government.[7]
The rest is history which you choose to ignore as it does not fit the Argentine mantra peddled to your schoolkids daily.
that shows you are usurpators, colonialists, with de facto gov and stablished by the force of another foreigner country
Dec 05th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0334) But how do you intend on getting the islands back?? I dont know who has the most historical backed case, I just dont. Maybe it should be better if some respected court whith athority would decide who is right, nothing said here is going to make a difference. I support Argentina, but not blindly. You cant expect that commenting on MercoPress and joining Quebracho will do the trick.... So what strategy do we follow ??
Dec 05th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is when extrimist like Isolde, kelperabout and you determin international relations and diplomacy...
328 Malen
Dec 05th, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The soldiers that died and the veterans are for us Héroes de Malvinas”
331 Malen
““As for the Argentine War grave to most Islanders it is an insult to have these people buried on our shores. ” part of comment 322”
In 1982, 'Argentina ' and Argentinians hardly saw your returning veterans and war dead as heros. The defeated veterans returned in disgrace. Argentina refused to arrange their transport home.
The dead were not accorded a hero's burial. Argentina refused to receive their remains.
Thanks from a proud and grateful nation, I suppose.
It took private funding and some arrangements from the families and some private benefactors, to construct a soldier's cemetery on the Islands.
The Falklanders have respected it as such, ever since. They even allow Argentinians to visit them freely.
Recently, CFK has shamelessly tapped into public sentiment as a political and propaganda tool.
Most recently, Malen does the same.
#334
Dec 05th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain takes back it's COLONY from usurping ARGENTINES.
The s0vereignty issue has been explained to you ad nauseum but your only reply is 1833, 1833, 1833, Get a new record !
335 CD
Dec 05th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The problem is when extrimist like Isolde, kelperabout and you determin international relations and diplomacy... ”
CD,
While I understand that you are asking Malen to be reasonable and there are 2 sides to the argument, I don't think you you can call Isolde or Kelperabout “extremists”.
Bear in mind that not only has there been no Argentine presence in the Islands for 180 years, and that was only for two and a half months, Kelperabout's family has been there for multiple generations. Kelper himself, like many others, was born there and faced an armed invasion from Argentina, with the intention of taking away his freedom and his property, and that of his family and neighbours.
Isolde has lived on the Islands for years, married to an Islander, and is raising her children there. People like El Think loudly say how much they would like to “oppress” her.
These people are steadfastly opposed to Argentine sovereignty, as you will find the rest of the population.
It is only 'extreme' in that it is directly opposite from that of the Argentine government.
Malvinistas like Malen, from what you, pgerman, Simon68, and other Argentine posters write, are of an extreme view amongst Argentine citizens.
Please google Roger Lorton's history of the Falklands.
Within the past year, Argentina's official government postings have quietly backed down from stating that Argentinians were “forcibly expelled” from the Islands in 1833.
the sad decline of poodle land:
Dec 05th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10417838/Harsh-truths-about-the-decline-of-Britain.html
Who could possibly want to live in such a horrible place that have the ugliest women and the most overweight binge drinking male population in Europe - its a filthy degenerate culture on its last legs
mmmm - not long back from Miami and selling some polo horses to some rich americans - they totally agreed that the Brits are invaders and were very supportive financially to the cause - I will celebrate my success with a bottle of malbec tonight and enjoy the feeling of a declining and impotent poodle power that nobody cares about anymore
If this is a matter of feelings have you considered that maybe malen has some relative of her's buried on those islands?? And she reads from people like Isolde saying that she should not be aloud to visit the islands or kelperabout that said the remains of the soldiers should be dumped Marambio base in Antartica.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say that they are not extremist, I dont think so, after all these are the same neighbours that called a islander that married a Argentine girl and became Argentine living here a traitor...I dont know very much the details of a 3000 ppl community but I dont see these islanders very respectful of his own free determination in any case.
They dont like us, they have feelings involved?? They consider ALL Argentine fanatics ( when the average Argentine doesn't GAF) ??? Fine, but dont patronize continually as if others didn't have feeling involved and dont give them them power in London's relation towards the region and Argentina. It will do nowbody good the same way as La Campora en the Argentine Foreign office.
Speaking for myself It's not a matter that I'm particulary interested in, I think the whole thing is pretty stupid and stupidely handled. But one as to stand for one's own country which doesnt mean being a sheep and a impediment of thinking properly and being fair. I dont have to be insulting and offending others on their nation bases all the time. Thats why I'm actually interested in knowing what people like malen and Think intend to do apart from whining and parroting all day and saying how bad, nasty and horrible people British are.
Argie Poster (340) says...:
Dec 05th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I'm actually interested in knowing what people like Malen and Think intend to do apart from whining and parroting all day and saying how bad, nasty and horrible people British are.”
I say...:
When did I ever say that them English Pirates squatting in Malvinas are bad, nasty and/or horrible people???
Most of them are actually quite decent chaps....... (And there is even a couple of quite decent looking Sheilas in them Islands too ;-)
#339
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About 60+million of us are quite happy to be here ....thank you for your concern.
By the amount of Malbec you drink, you must be posting in a drunken stupor...it reads like that anyway.
Secretly you are a wanabee Brit who has the misfortune to be one of God's lesser races. Never mind, go drink another bottle of your vino cheapo and bemoan your fate.
CD
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you that comments like “dump all the bodies in Antarctica” are wrong and not helpful, but at the same time they come from frustration. CFK's regime has politicised the issue of the graves and used them as a propaganda tool. The graves have been respected,and access has been allowed unhindered, even though the Islanders feel they should have been returned to their homeland instead of being a responsibility of the Fslklanders.
To make the situation worse, in 2012 CFK's propagandists attempted to create an international incident by surreptitiously vandalising the Virgin Mary shrine on the site and making a public outcry, blaming the Islanders of disrespecting Argentine War Dead and desecrating their graves.
At the same time, Argentine “visitors” filmed a propaganda video where the Arg Olympic athletes used a Falklands war memorial for a training workout.
Another video, filmed by “visitors and tourists” early in the morning showed the Argentine flag flying over Stanley and a Spanish speaking civilian population that had supplanted the Falklanders.
Do you not think there is likely to be some reaction because of your state-sponsored propaganda and provocation?
I am not surprised that Kelpersbout is fed up with the situation at times, just like many others.
Isolde is certainly not “extremist”.
She only asks that Argentina leave them alone, to live peacefully.
On the other hand, from what many of the Brits and Fslklanders post on here, it seems that most realise that the thinking people of Argentina, like yourself, are NOT fanatics. They have come to understand that the Trolls like Malen and the Malvinistas are the extremists.
Unfortunately, your K government and La Campora, present the “Malvinas” issue as a National cause, rooted deep in the hearts if the people.
That is what they want the world to believe.
Some do.
Who cares they are all dead...the dead don't care...only the living, move on and get over it....
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What was that biblical quote.....Let the dead, bury their dead....
...life is for living ....the dead have moved on.
343) I dont know TT, it probably doesnt matter anyway. Let them explain themselves if they are interested in doing so or care, dont do it for them, whilst I agree that La Campora and the Malvinistas are wankers by doing these things I'm not very sure of the islanders either.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject”
Winston Churchill
I think the latter is true for both the Malvinistas Anti-British and the Falklandists and Anti-Argentines and its a very good parameter for identifing them
345 CD
Dec 05th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Let them speak for themselves”.
I think you should speak directly with them.
I have only paraphrased a few of the things they have already posted, themselves.
However, that's only my understanding of their position and why.
Good quote and very true.
Although there are those who are consumed by these issues on both sides, I think it is only fair to say that there are many in the Falklands, like Isolde, who just want the problem to go away so they can get on with their lives.
I'm sure you understand what it is like, living with the Sword of Damocles over your head, not knowing when something bad will happen.
Which brings me to ask, what did you mean when you said,
“What I originally pointed out was a conrcern in case if the FIG got more radical and controled more power in London's diplomacy towards the region and Argentina in the future with the consecuences I listed and mentioned.”
British aggression towards Argentina?
Thanks Troy,
Dec 05th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've pretty much said all that needs to be said.
Actually l am not offended by being called an “extremist”.
lts just another word that frustrated malvinistas use because they cannot get their own way.
l, personally have no problem with the Argentine dead buried here.
lt does not make this Argentine territory, just as British war dead buried in France or Libya do not make those countries, British territory.
lt does show however Argentina's lack of respect towards their own fallen, as they couldn't be bothered to look after them & preferred to keep them in the Falklands in the ridiculous hope that it somehow gave them sovereignty.
l don't take too much notice of malen, commonsense doesn't mean too much to her & l think that she is as obstinate as l am regarding the ownership of these lslands.
As l said before, Argentina has caused ALL these problems.
Argentina have lied & distorted history,
Argentina keep the pot boiling by teaching their children these lies,
Argentina keep annoying their neighbours with these lies,
Argentina invaded in 1982,
Argentina caused the deaths of over 900 people,
lts ALL on their head.
Look at your imperialist Britains shameful history - murdering stealing and enslaving multitudes over many years - your complete society and economy was and is built on the back of stealing and exploiting other countries resources and people. Genocide, slavery, piracy, invasions to name but a few - no wonder the world or the UN does not support your little escaped in the South Atlantic - you will be shamed into leaving sooner than you think
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mm,mm - the malbec is going done very well tonight as I listen to the meat cooking away on the parilla - oh how I wish I was British NOT - hahaha
346) Dont be silly, why will I address people who speak allegorically to me in the first place and say and have made it clear that me or any of my compatriots are welcome overthere?? Of course there has being a war and I understand that the only Argentines that go their have a sentimental attachment at least or go to make a political statement or whatever so the islanders can get fed up with them. Regular every day Argentines dont go there so of course they see us in this way, but you just have to browse a Argentine news or listen to the radio and you will see this is a not a every day to day issue in Argentina as it was in the past. You dont even have to travel to Argentina to understand this.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe their stance is understandeble and a result of the past years diplomacy, but the fact is they probably already are radicalized. And that is fine. But what I said is whilst the Islands prosper and the FIG gets more influence they gain room in matters that consider broader issues other than the islands and South Atlantic things are going to get more complicated. However that the British FO actually cedes them this influence to them is another matter.
348 Dany er, Diego
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like you receive the 'papers a little late
Got anything relevant?
:-)
Ill break up TT so you can answer..
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(347) lsolde
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“ Actually l am not offended by being called an “extremist””
I say...:
Of course you are not....
You offered to lodge a 7.65 bullet in me belly a couple of years ago... remember...?
Do you have an idea how much belly ache that may cause me ???
You....... you......... Malvinas 7/7 Widow !!!
And...., Isolde Dahling...... You ain't no neighbours of us, honeybunch....
You are long term English Crown Ex-Pat employees, currently squatting in Malvinas......
Hasta la vista, baby ;-)
347) Do you consider me a “ frustrated Malvinista” ?? If so will you please explain why ??
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0349 CD
Dec 06th, 2013 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I honestly don't think the Islsnds will have any stronger influence and they are not the UK so they will not be involved in other issues, period.
That being said, I would not the UK would stand by and allow illegal interference in FI economic activities within their own territorial waters.
Defensively only of course.
I hardly think it likely that FI would restrict Argentine families visiting their cemetery. They control that already and they did not withdraw it even when diplomatic relations were very bad last year.
There has been much talk about some of us being extremist and that could not be further from the truth.
Dec 06th, 2013 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has bullied our Country for decades and we have until recently been told take it on the chin and let them whinge on.
Fact is until Argentina interfered in our daily life we actually thought they were all a reasonable lot until in 1982 they came over to my Country and turned it upside down. It is an experience many of us will never forget and as for saying the British caused the deaths of the three civilians that is a lie. If Argentina had not used an armed force to enforce a change upon us that we did not want Britain would not have had to send her troops to defend us. Every single person that died in those 74 days of hell is a direct result of Argentina and no one else.
As for the feelings of my comment about taking the dead to the Argentine base in Antarctica it is one possible solution to getting around the fact we did not ask for them to be buried on Falkland soil. The only reason Argentina does not want them removed is because they use it as a political tool to tell the world their dead are buried on Argentine soil.
That is extremely offensive to Falkland Islanders who did not want Argentines taking over their Country in the first place.
Some have already commented on the fact that we do respect the dead no matter who they are and we have always allowed humanity to Argentine families.
If any of my family were killed in a place they never wanted to be I too would want to have them returned to my homeland just as the fathers and mothers of their Argentine dead has so longed for.
What it will never resolve is the fact they all died on our home land as enemies not as a people that freely lived here. The reality is none are known to the Islanders by name .
I think that ultimately you will get to be free, or at least you will earn it, sorry for 1982 and other inconveniences. In my opinion I think you do have a right to self determination, but that said I know I have to back my country.
Dec 06th, 2013 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now personally I dont think much of you and Isolde. Im not a fool, and I can read. Self victimizing twats both of you.
356 CD
Dec 06th, 2013 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you can read, then hear this, they are are not “self-victimizing”.
They were/are unarmed civilians who had their homes and their freedom taken from them by an overwhelming military force that sneaked in and pointed guns at them and their children.
Many were locked up in overcrowded unsanitary conditions whilst smug Argentinians ransacked, pissed, and shit in their homes and buildings.
Officers forced the elderly to act as servants and punished them by shitting all over and making them clean it.
Others were made to listen while the brave Argentines joked about killing the whole population to end the “problem” of the Malvinas.
Some of the Falklsnders were used as human shields to protect Argentine weapons and supplies.
The kind Argentinians left unmapped landmines for civilians to stumble across.
Live grenades were left in children's school desks.
Over 200 soldiers died, some horribly, to free these people and return them to their homes.
All because Argentina “wanted” the Falklands.
A snide insensitive, “ I'm sorry for the inconvenience” from people like you, doesn't quite cut it.
Oh, dear,
“maybe Malen has feelings”
“maybe Malen had a relative who died invading the Fslklsnds”
How about the people who were abused and terrorized by Argentinians? How about the relatives of those who died for them? How do they feel?
The only twat here is you!
You obviously have no concept of what your country did to people. If you feel you are proud of your country for that and must defend those actions, you're as bad as they are.
You don't even have the humility to admit it was a grievous wrong. You just hate the victims of the crime because their existence make your country look bad.
You resent them and call them twats, because they reject you.
How dare they offend you!
Really, are you surprised?
Ask yourself, how would you feel?
In the end, all they want is to left alone, without harrassment from Argentina.
You disgust me, you self-righteous sh!t
@ 357 Troy Tempest
Dec 06th, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's a difference between those who are genuinely interested in defending the right of the Falkland Islanders to determine their own destiny and those who are willing to use the issue to serve their own interests. Judging by that ugly rant I have no doubt which category you fall into.
You are the worst kind of bully - one who kicks someone when they think they are down.
@357 Troy Tempest,
Dec 06th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0l couldn't have put it better myself. Thank You.
But l was not here in 1982, l do however have my husband's family to give me the gruesome details. They lived through it all.
@358 Heisenbergcontext,
What's up your nose, mate?
l think Troy Tempest accurately summed up the situation.
He spoke the truth, anyway.
How do you say that he is a bully? l donot see it that way.
@356 CabezaDura,
What you think of me is of supreme indifference to me.
l couldn't give a rat's arse.
You say that you're not a malvinista, but if you sound like one-then you will be classified as one. fini.
@352 Think,
You are wrong again, dahling.
l did not say l'd lodge a 7.65mm in your belly,
l said l'd hit you in the belt buckle with a 7.62mm.
A 7.62, dahling, NOT a 7.65.
And if you were threatening my home, hearth & chillun, you can count on it.
My man is more than capable of defending himself, he wouldn't need my help.
Please try to get your facts right, Alte.
We know that it is impossible to inform / educate lost souls which many are because they have already killed or caused to disappear thousands of their own so they know all about genocide crimes against humanity and acts of cowardice towards fellow human beings .
Dec 06th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0But we must continue to let the world know that Argentina is not a decent honest neighbour they should have on their doorstep. Argentina has but one goal and that is to take over the whole of the southern region.
This is a known fact and directly relates to the Falkland islands and South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands. What a lot of them have failed to comprehend over the years is that while they think they have a claim to my Homeland they certainly never had such a claim to South Georgia and South Sandwich islands Two places the French had nothing to do with so could never have sold them to Spain when they attempted to sell the Falklands to them.
So many generations of Argentines have since been brain washed they have lost sight of reality. We also know that they stole all their land from a native people that had a population many times greater than ours and they simply exterminated them. That act alone was no different to what Germany did to the Polish people yet Argentina gets away with it and it is that reason they have went on to try and control everyone else in the region because no other Country except Britain has ever stood up to them. One day in the Future the rest of the World will wake up to the fact that Argentina is a problem and will deal with them. Remember it is hard to climb to the top of a ladder but very easy to fall of it.
@359 Isolde
Dec 06th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to believe that all that bile Troy spewed - and which he only has the guts to do so when he thinks there'll will be no comebacks - was in your service, rather than expressing his personal resentment towards CD, as well as a desperate need for approval then you're not as smart as I thought you were.
What CD was offering IMO is simply an unvarnished, honest and credible opinion from an Argentinian who is perfectly capable of thinking for himself. I'm not in your shoes of course, but if I were I know who's opinions I would find the most valuable.
@360 Kelperabout
I don't think you've considered that despite the hostility, the attempts to control your economy and the general bullying coming from Argentina, your personal security, as well as the prosperity of the Islanders generally, are far more assured than the average Argentinian.
You have a well-trained defence force, armed with all sorts of sophisticated, expensive weaponry willing to give their lives, as they have done in past, to ensure your safety. Despite your isolation and small numbers you are safer and freer than Argentines are in their own country.
CD isn't a Malvinista - and even if he was, what do you care? They are utterly impotent, in real terms - they can't do anything to hurt you for the foreseeable future.
#348
Dec 06th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The piss artist rambles again - he must have drunk a couple of cases of his cheapo Malbec by now before eating a burned dead cow.
As a matter of fact, I am rather proud of our history...especially of the part where we stuffed you....not a difficult task.
@361 Heisenbergcontext,
Dec 06th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever.
l don't need your approval or recommendations to express my thoughts on this forum.
And will continue to express them.
And really, l couldn't care less how smart you think that l am.
But thank you for your concerns.
@363 Isolde
Dec 06th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I don't need your approval or recommendations to express my thoughts on this forum.” I concur - thanks for the reminder.
“And will continue to express them.” I wouldn't have it any other way.
“And really, I couldn't care less how smart you think that I am.” I can live with that.
“But thank you for your concerns.” You're welcome.
(359) Chère Isolde
Dec 06th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“A 7.62, dahling, NOT a 7.65.”
I say...:
Did the old Argie hunter inadvertently pick the wrong ammo for Isolde's FAL?
Or did he lay a little trap to check if the little bunny was paying attention?
What do you “Think”……………………………………..., dahling?
TT) Actually since MercoPress refuses to deleate my account I will feel more inclined to reply to a coward such as yourself.
Dec 06th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you cheack up the comments and the real history of this thread you will notice that my latest intervention begun as a result of comments 254 and 278. My simple input on the matter that such a measure will have X results on ARG-UK diplomacy APART from Island related issues (which I did not speak of), only motivated by what it seems to me as a more radicalized islanders...Nothing else than that
The simple truth is they throw the stone and hid the hand whilst other non- islanders came over to their defence, and I explained what I regard as a overall educated and reasonably manner to both interlocutors (Anglotino first, then you) my position which both of you inquired about. However when they do not like to be called extremists they eventually incur in victimization facilitated by you.
Btw... Did I ever say that the islands were Argentine?? That the islanders are implanted or that should be exterminated??
Yet Isolde (a very basic housewife who is very indifferent to what ppl think of her that she explains it every time!!) says I am with no evidence at all.
I wasnt even born in 1982, my parents were against the war, and I'm not in charge of government myself. I never have voted for them in my life nor will I do so. I already said that the islands should be left alone and nothing comes out of it for Argentina. Sure there is a lote of stuff that is plainly inmoral, but what do you want me to do?? Complain to Timerman?? Its the Argentine state that should be saying sorry for its mistakes, not me.
However what you are asking is to trash my country. Its like if an American starts bitching against his own country with a bunch of Arabs for the invasion of 2003. The Americans were never supposed to be there. Both a moral and strategically erronous desition. So was Argentina in 1982.
Thanks Heisenberg much apretiated, just leave them
CD
Dec 06th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...who ran out of space....
Bloody hell you are back....that was quick....
Hot tip....no need to delete your account...just stop using it...;-)))
what a wimp you turned out to be...
couldn't take the criticism...
Man up and fight the good fight and stop whining...a man or a mouse......want a piece of cheese...little mouse?
Oh and now GO! Walk out the door! Just turn around now,
'Cause you're not welcome anymore!
Weren't you the one who tried to break me with goodbyes,
D' you Think I'd crumble, you think I'd lay down and die?
No, not I, I will survive...;-))))
Heisenberg ran off once after getting a lot of flack from Anglotino...then he must have thought...I don't care whether he thinks...and came back...
@366 CabezaDura,
Dec 06th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think that a “very basic housewife”(whatever that is?)has upset you with her indifference to such an important person, such as yourself.
You'll get over it.
But then again, maybe not if you have such a fragile ego.
Chin up CD, the world is still beautiful.
@365 Think, sweety.
You made a mistake.
ln fact, several mistakes(memory not what it used to be? or too much whisky, or both!).
Now be man(?)enough to admit it.
ln my experience, 7.65mm is Pistol ammunition.
l once had a 7.65 Tokarev.
While 7.62mm is/was a Nato rifle caliber approx .308” in the old measurement.
But of course, dahling, you knew all this, didn't you my little snookums?
(l KNOW that you didn't, or forgot, but we'll keep that our little secret, won't we?).
à bientot
(368) Chère Isolde....
Dec 06th, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“ln my experience, 7.65mm is Pistol ammunition”.... l once had a 7.65 Tokarev.
While 7.62mm is/was a Nato rifle caliber approx .308” in the old measurement.“
I say...:
Well...... Let's say that your ”Experience“ is pretty ”Basic“, my young dahling.....
7.65×25 Tokarev, 7.65x21 Parabellum and 7.65x17 Browning are indeed pistol ammunitions..... But I was, of course, referring to the 7.65×53mm Argentine, sweetypie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65%C3%9753mm_Argentine
.308” is NOT an old measurement..... It's an Anglo measurement....
But don't worry................................................ I like ”Basics” :-)))
Well Thinkus, l have to admit that l had never seen or heard of a 7.65mm x 53.
Dec 06th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats a big round.
l had an SKS that was 7.62mm x39.
The biggest caliber rifle that l have shot was chambered for .5“.
lt had a 3 round magazine.
The same ammunition used by the US .50” Machine Gun.
Now that has tremendous recoil.
But go on Think, baby, l suppose you've fired a larger caliber than .5”!!!!
Or could l be getting cynical?
l guess you would have had more experience, dahling.
After all you are that much older than me! snigger.!
(370) lsolde
Dec 06th, 2013 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“The biggest caliber rifle that l have shot was chambered for .5“.”
I say...:
.5'' huhhhh...... Consistent with being a “ very basic Malvinas housewife”, i reckon....
I myself am not a weapons person.... I keep a pre WWII 30-30 94 though, mostly as a conversation piece......
@366 CD
Dec 07th, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0No worries mate.
@371 Think,
Dec 07th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess that you don't believe me, but l have no reason to lie.
lt was long before l came here.
l didn't believe the owner, either, when he told me he had a rifle that would fire a .5o” round, so he took me to his home to show it to me.
He had one alright.
lt was a bolt action, loaded through the breech(no access to the magazine externally), 3 shot,heavy rifle(but no bi-pod).
We had a bit of a play with it.
lts got a kick like a demented horse.
Maybe a specialist sniper's rifle? not knowing this sahib.
l have never seen another one.
l always thought that you were a “gun”person, Think.
Thats one thing l like about visiting my cousins in the US.
We always get in a bit of appreciated “gun-time”.
btw- l was brought up with the Metric system & have to do mental arithmetic when faced with the lmperial(or “English” as the Americans say)system of measurement. l always understood .308” = 7.62mm, No?
Well shucks... CD has been called a traitor by fascist Malvanistas here for being critical of CFK and unfrothily undevoutly blasé in the requisite chanting in the obligatory La Malvinas Gospel Choir required of all “authentic Argentines”, AND (gasp!) wants to do business, if he were legally permitted to do so, is curious about investing in the islands as it stands as a a BOT in ways he cannot if it were part of Argentina. Some days ya just can't make nobody happy, can ya?
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Dec 07th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“ I guess that you don't believe me, but l have no reason to lie.”
I say...:
Well......
You guess wrongly…. Again....
I just ironized with Mr. Cabezadura's words....
He obviously doesn't know many of those imported “Very Basic Malvinas Housewife's” quite interesting ”Wheny” past's..... ;-)
You say…:
”We had a bit of a play with it………. lts got a kick like a demented horse.”
I say…:
Girl…....................................................................... Please behave…..
You say…:
”I always thought that you were a “gun”person, Think.”
I say…:
Well…. You got to know them damn things to use them responsible…..
Are you a responsible person Cher Think?
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